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Speaker 3: to Jenkison Jones on the Volume podcast Network. It is Saturday,

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Speaker 3: January twenty seventh, and we're excited to be breaking down

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Speaker 3: this weekend's AFC and NFC Championship games. We are also

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Speaker 3: going to be joined by Sean Reid to talk about

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Speaker 3: the Raiders hiring Antonio Pierce and all of the changes

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Speaker 3: going on with that franchise. As always, Jenkis and Jones

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Speaker 3: hosted by le Jethro Jenkins aka John was it Buba's

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Speaker 3: Dragonfly Jones aka Tyler.

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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody have the gun.

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Speaker 3: I'm guardi b aka Mike mother another fucking Mike, and

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Speaker 3: we're produced as always by the lovely and talented Jackson Staffron.

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Speaker 5: Wow, Mike chucking a little bit too, man, We did

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Speaker 5: a good one, hopog.

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Speaker 3: He did it. As always, a reminder, if you are

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Speaker 3: a week. We've got our Twitter answering Twitter questions. We've

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Speaker 3: also got behind the scenes of Dragonfly Jones, the Twitter

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Speaker 3: account that changed everything. All right? Oh that's I got

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Speaker 3: a Tyler chuckle and an eye roll from John. That's

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Speaker 3: all I've ever asking for, That's all I've.

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Speaker 6: Your fandom of Dragonfly Jones is hilarious to me, you

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Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. Like you said you have to

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Speaker 6: separate the.

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Speaker 3: Two, you know, because Tyler is my friend, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. I'm also a fan of Tyler. I

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Speaker 3: think you could be a fan of You're freeing like

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Speaker 3: I'm a fan of my friends, but in a healthy

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Speaker 3: friendship way. I have been what did Dragonfly Jones to today?

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Speaker 3: I have been addicted to Twitter for fourteen years because

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Speaker 3: of the Dragonfly Jones Twitter account. I would never hold

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Speaker 3: that against my good personal friend time. I'll you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I kicked the habit, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. So maybe that's why I.

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Speaker 4: Can you know, he's just tied like once a week now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy, nigga. I guess on Twitter and ask

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Speaker 3: people if they've heard of a scientific phenomenon and then

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Speaker 3: logged off. Doesn't even check this either, so bad.

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Speaker 6: I don't even I tweet something about living single like

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Speaker 6: at eleven o'clock last night.

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Speaker 3: Horrible time to tweet on the West coast. You know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. I'm just like, I don't give a fuck.

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Speaker 3: You know. All right, let's break down these football games.

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Speaker 3: We'll start with the AFC Championship game, Ravens Chiefs. I

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Speaker 3: think this is the game that all of us were

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Speaker 3: secretly hoping for in our heart of hearts, been waiting

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Speaker 3: all year.

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Speaker 2: Brother, I feel like this is this is a game

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Speaker 2: that even the most casualist NFL fan is interested and

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Speaker 2: Lamarvar's versus my homes?

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Speaker 4: Come on, man, probably not John.

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Speaker 3: John just wants to just Saturday or Sunday. It appears

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Speaker 3: on the day. What day, Sunday football on Sunday? John? Okay,

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I.

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Speaker 6: I would have known that five years ago, you know

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Speaker 3: The ESPN app exists at that point. That's kind of

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna stick with the Ravens because I did pick

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Speaker 3: Niners Ravens before the playoffs started. It is alive. The

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Speaker 3: I'm not mad at that in the slightest Tyler. I'm

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Speaker 6: Yeah, as a forty nine Ers fan, who would you

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Speaker 3: Who was obviously fucking Mahomes? Did you see? Okay? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Because the Ravens they cooked y'all ass this year. You

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Speaker 6: know what, I think the Ravens are the best.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean since Christmas, I thought, I just I

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Speaker 3: I said, They've given me no reason to feel any

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Speaker 3: like we've just been saying all this stuff about Mahomes,

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Speaker 3: three and a half. The Ravens are favored by three

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Speaker 3: at home obviously shows that there's a lot of respect.

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Speaker 3: he's tightly the greatest quarterback of all time. He's plus

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Speaker 3: that is enticing. I do understand. Yeah, I would still

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Speaker 3: as a Niners fan, I would rather see the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: I just I do think that they're a flawed team.

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Speaker 3: I do think that football is different from any other

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Speaker 3: sport in that it is the ultimate team game. Mahomes

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad, y'all are y'all are slapping the

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Speaker 2: In this game, bro, Detroit is one of the so

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Speaker 2: it's easy for me to make my pick, my emotional

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Speaker 7: Unfortunately you hate Trent Williams and Deebo Samuel that much. Nope, No,

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Speaker 7: that's not what I said. I love those that motherfucking

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Speaker 7: nickmo so goddamn yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough to look past Nickmosa. Bro I get it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I do understand Niners are seven point favorites.

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Speaker 3: I can't lie, bro, y'all got some ship.

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Speaker 6: I got hipped to it late, but y'all got some ship, bro,

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Speaker 3: Uh, white music? I was just listening to Simon and

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Speaker 3: Y'all got a I'm surprising. Yeah, y'all got some ship, bro,

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 3: Uh. Before we get to our interview with Tean, I

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Speaker 3: You're on the one yard line. The other team knocks

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Speaker 3: I hope that they don't change the rule. But could

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Speaker 4: Tyler, Well, first off, welcome to the right side of history.

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Speaker 3: But thanks brother.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's the fumble in the end

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Speaker 2: zone touch back room makes perfect sense. You know, we've

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Speaker 2: but it is a sport where one team is aggressively

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Speaker 4: They are fighting to keep you out of their fort.

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Speaker 2: So if you fumble and unaccompanied football rolls into a

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Speaker 2: And fumbles on the battlefield that go out of bounds

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Speaker 4: It's that simple.

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Speaker 2: And for people who are like, okay, well what about safeties,

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Speaker 4: So if you get pushed.

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Speaker 2: And the one yard line, like let's just say that

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Speaker 2: it's two points instead of six points. And a field

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Speaker 3: And that is clearly like this is the famous George

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Speaker 3: the language around football is like marshaling, like the field general.

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Speaker 3: It's all trilitary language, right.

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Speaker 4: The receiver course, right, you know the line.

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Speaker 3: The last people you would send into an actual war,

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Speaker 3: the receiver corps, you know what I mean? And dbs

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Speaker 3: like that famous tweet, the like when the grasses mode

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Speaker 2: Sure the enemy smiles and holds a knife. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: touch back room makes perfect sense to me. I hope

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Speaker 2: they do not change it. Bro, you've got ninety nine

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: Like, like, Bro, we do not need to give the

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Speaker 3: I feel like, Unfortunately, that would be the one if

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Speaker 3: you're if you're getting into damis mode. The one safe

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's that, inexorably all right.

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Speaker 8: I'm busy as usual, I mean the Raiders saying that

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Speaker 8: interesting year coaching searching and GM searches are always a

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Speaker 8: grind as well. But finally over with so I can

435
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Speaker 8: relax for a little bit before the Super bowls here,

436
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Speaker 8: So you know I'm staying staying busy.

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Speaker 3: That's good man. Well, I've mentioned to John and Tyler.

438
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Speaker 3: I've got a good history with ap since he was

439
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 3: a high school coach at Long Beach. Polly and uh,

440
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Speaker 3: I just want to congratulate you and all the other

441
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Speaker 3: Raiders beat writers. You've got the opposite of one of

442
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 3: these boring, hr manager fucking coaches that are all over

443
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 3: the NFL. You know, he's an interim coach talking about

444
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 3: his message of the team was hatred, violence and pain

445
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 3: like this is just a walking quote and a good

446
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 3: dude too. How how interesting is this story? How excited

447
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 3: were you to see a I don't know that we've

448
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,719
Speaker 3: really seen a player led movement to keep an interim

449
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 3: coach really work like this with one of the premier franchises.

450
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Speaker 3: So how exciting as the story been? And you know,

451
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 3: what are your thoughts on that higher and what it's

452
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Speaker 3: going to be like going forward.

453
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was interesting to sort of compare it to

454
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Speaker 8: the last time the Raiders kind of ended up in

455
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 8: this situation, you know, back in in twenty twenty one,

456
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 8: when obviously John Bruden was no longer to coach for

457
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 8: different reasons than performance, but Rich Pasacci had took over

458
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Speaker 8: as an interim head coach, and they kind of did

459
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Speaker 8: a similar one Pint eighty, you know, and actually that season,

460
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Speaker 8: you know, from in terms of the football performance, it

461
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 8: went better. You know, they made the playoffs and the

462
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 8: players kind of rallied around them. It was different then

463
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Speaker 8: because because of COVID, like we didn't have locker room

464
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Speaker 8: access and so like I had a sense just from

465
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 8: talking to people, like how the players were reacting and

466
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 8: galvanizing around Rich Passaci and they definitely wanted him to

467
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 8: get the job too.

468
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Speaker 1: Ultimately he didn't. It went to Josh McDaniel's.

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Speaker 8: But this time I was actually able to like really

470
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Speaker 8: feel it because I'm in the locker room every day

471
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Speaker 8: now and I see the guys, and I was able

472
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Speaker 8: to compare and contrast like how it was those first

473
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Speaker 8: eight weeks on the Josh McDaniels, and then how it

474
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Speaker 8: flipped like immediately, you know, after Antonio appears took over,

475
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Speaker 8: and so I think I just had more of an

476
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Speaker 8: intimate knowledge and was able to see it up close

477
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Speaker 8: in a clearer way, and I think that made it,

478
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 8: you know, more fun to cover and also allowed me

479
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Speaker 8: to cover it with more depth. But yeah, I mean,

480
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 8: he you know, I wasn't really I didn't really know

481
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Speaker 8: what to expect. I mean, it wasn't like like I've

482
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 8: said before, like it wasn't like he was a coordinator

483
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Speaker 8: or something of that nature. And we had talked to

484
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Speaker 8: him a whole bunch and knew what he was all about,

485
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 8: Like he was a linebackers coach. So he's tucked off

486
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Speaker 8: in his office and we don't have really interact with

487
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Speaker 8: him as media. But it's like as soon as he

488
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Speaker 8: stepped stepped in, it was like the entire energy and

489
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Speaker 8: the entire and the building changed. And it's obviously a positive,

490
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Speaker 8: but it didn't really guarantee anything on the football field.

491
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Speaker 8: But you know, you saw this was a completely different team.

492
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Speaker 8: I mean, the defense became basically the best one in

493
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Speaker 8: the league the final nine weeks.

494
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Speaker 1: The offense was.

495
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Speaker 8: They stayed prettyst but you know, they chiefs, you know,

496
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Speaker 8: they want a few more games, and you could just

497
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Speaker 8: it's more of a it's like an intangible thing like culture.

498
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Speaker 8: I know that's a buzzword, but you could just feel it.

499
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Speaker 8: It's one of those things you kind of just had

500
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Speaker 8: to be there for. And it was clear by the

501
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 8: end of the season, honestly before the season ended, that

502
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 8: the players wanted AP, people in the building want to

503
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Speaker 8: eat AP. The fans won an AP, and you know,

504
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Speaker 8: unlike last time, you know, Mr Davis didn't get the

505
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 8: jobs in Basati, at this time, he was pretty quick

506
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Speaker 8: to give to AP.

507
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I remember hinting.

508
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Speaker 2: You know, we had a conversation, like, you know, a

509
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Speaker 2: few weeks into AP's tenure when he was kind of

510
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: gaining stem like, yo, this is probably their guy. And

511
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Speaker 2: we had a discussion where we were like, you know,

512
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 2: we feel like the identity of the Raiders is kind

513
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Speaker 2: of on the line here in the next coaching decision

514
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 2: they make, like what you said with culture, where you know,

515
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: the Raiders have always been kind of a franchise that

516
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Speaker 2: hired based on vibes, like they gave Blane Kiffen a

517
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: fucking head coaching position, you.

518
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Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying.

519
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: And we were like, you know, they tried to steer

520
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 2: away from that, you know, like you mentioned when they

521
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: went with you know, Josh McDaniels here instead of the

522
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Speaker 2: guy who who the players wanted. But you know, this

523
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: time they got a guy in ap who was like,

524
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Speaker 2: if there ever was a dude who was a Raiders guy,

525
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: ap is a fucking Raiders guy, right Like, he had

526
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Speaker 2: that locker room behind him. You know, he's someone who

527
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: who had complete buying to a locker room and a

528
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: roster that had lost faith in their previous coach. And

529
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm just kind of curious, you know, being

530
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 2: that you were at at in ground zero, you know,

531
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Speaker 2: you know, right in the eye of the storm during

532
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Speaker 2: all this was was there, you know, how was it

533
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: like was there a moment where you were like, Okay,

534
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: this is gaining scheme and I think, you know, they're

535
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: really going to go with ap here.

536
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Speaker 8: In terms of like I think the moment that I

537
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 8: noticed his impact, it was, honestly, it was like right away,

538
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 8: because I mean he got up in his first press

539
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 8: conference talking about you know, he's from Compton, he grew

540
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 8: up wearing NW listening to n W A wearing Raider

541
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 8: had starter jackets, and you could just tell fans on

542
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 8: Twitter like, oh, this.

543
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: Is my guy, Like we locked it, like fans. Fans

544
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: are easy to win over, so you can see that part.

545
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: Then we went into the locker room.

546
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Speaker 2: Coaches are boring, bro, if you're just a regular dude,

547
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: like like you're gonna win over your fans.

548
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: Listen.

549
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Speaker 8: But we're going into the locker room and like Davante

550
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 8: Adams is playing one on one with somebody on a

551
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 8: mini who in the middle of the locker room, Like

552
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 8: music is blasting, like everybody's laughing and funny, ain't nothing

553
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 8: has happened yet, Like they ain't play the game. They

554
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 8: just had a practice and like the entire mood of

555
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 8: the entire building had shifted. So it was apparent from

556
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 8: the jump that like it was different. But in terms

557
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,239
Speaker 8: of when I knew that, like things were locked up

558
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 8: for AP, I mean it had to be the Chiefs

559
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 8: game going to Arrowhead, you know. I know the Chiefs

560
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 8: has kind of had like a weird season where like

561
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 8: they weren't really couldn't tell if they were good or not.

562
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 8: But it's still the Chiefs and it's still the Raiders,

563
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 8: like they've been beating on the Raiders head for like

564
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 8: ten years now, you know, and especially for them being

565
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Speaker 8: at home and the Raiders kind of being in the

566
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 8: middle of team, Like I don't think really anybody expected

567
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Speaker 8: them to go in there and win that game, and

568
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 8: they didn't just win, like they pretty much handled them

569
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Speaker 8: pretty convincingly. I mean, like Patrick Mahomes was in hell

570
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 8: picked six. Jack Jones, Yeah, Jack Jones is like pointing

571
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 8: at him, laughing at him on his way to running

572
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Speaker 8: into the end zone. Like Zamir White, who is this

573
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 8: w He ran for like one hundred and fifty yards

574
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 8: with Josh Jacobs out, like they had a couple of

575
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 8: other starters out, and like you could just like that

576
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 8: was it, Like it was at that moment, is like

577
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 8: I don't know how you don't give ap to job,

578
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 8: you know what I mean? And so I think that

579
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 8: was the moment that stamped him. Obviously, they wanted to

580
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 8: try to make the playoffs at the end of the season.

581
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 8: You know, they lost the close game to the Colts

582
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 8: that pretty much knocked them out of it, and so

583
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 8: they fell short of their expectations in that sense. But

584
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 8: just from an emotional standpoint, like I think it would

585
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 8: have like I don't, I don't, I guess I can't

586
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 8: say revolt, but like it would have been a serious,

587
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 8: serious issue if they would.

588
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: Have not given Ap to job.

589
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: After that game, I remember Max Crosby hopped out there

590
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: publicly said he would demand a trade if they didn't

591
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 2: bring apn have you had any interactions with that dude,

592
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: because he's an interesting fellow. Was that actually treated in

593
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: that video?

594
00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 3: Or listen, listen, listen. I five now the Max.

595
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about Max.

596
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 8: Like, so I started covering the team in twenty twenty,

597
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 8: which was going into his second year in.

598
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: The league, first year in Las Vegas.

599
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 8: And like I got on the beat in like March,

600
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 8: and like one of the first stories I did when

601
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 8: I got on the beat was like basically a Max

602
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 8: Crosby profile. And so he was in LA at the time.

603
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 8: I didn't I didn't notice at the time, but he

604
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 8: was checking in the rehab because he had, you know,

605
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 8: struggle with substance abuse throughout his college mostly his college career,

606
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 8: and then his first year in the pros. And we're

607
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 8: just like talking probably like thirty minutes I've never met

608
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 8: him before, and like we were kind of talking about

609
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 8: this upbringing, and he started telling me about how in

610
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 8: high school he used to make like rap mixtapes because

611
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 8: he had like he was like friends with post Malone.

612
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 8: They went to like the same high school in Texas.

613
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 6: Post Malone was weird as hell before it became post

614
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 6: Malone though, you know what I'm saying, Like there's old videos.

615
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 8: We go ahead, but I'm like, like Max Crosby's making

616
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 8: rap mix tape, Like what.

617
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: Kind of what kind of white boys?

618
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: Like he was he was getting in the booth and

619
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: making tracks with post Malone house.

620
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm like, wow, I had never met him before.

621
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 8: I'm like this this is one of those he got

622
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 8: Max with the two exes. I'm like, all right, this

623
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 8: is starting to like add up a little bit. But

624
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 8: now he's he's always kind of been, like I know,

625
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 8: they had the whole black versus white team thing, Like

626
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 8: it was always it was never a question like he

627
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 8: would be trying to be playing for the black and like,

628
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 8: you know, like the players in the locker room with him,

629
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 8: you know, on a different level. Because of that, I think,

630
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 8: you know, the coaching staff really rocks with him. But

631
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 8: I think it was interesting to me just to see,

632
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 8: like because I don't know if we've really seen that before,

633
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 8: like a white superstar jumps out there for like the

634
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 8: black interim head coach, like, nah, give him the job

635
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 8: or I'm out of you.

636
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he already.

637
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 8: Got paid, like he's you know, bloved by the fan base,

638
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 8: blood by the team, one of the best players in

639
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 8: the league, like, and for him to be willing to

640
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 8: go out there and like he don't want to leave

641
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 8: the Raiders but like threatened to do so, Like for

642
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 8: for a black head coach, you get the job, Like,

643
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 8: I think that's pretty significant. And he wasn't joking either,

644
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. It was kind of just

645
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 8: like drawing a line in the sad because and I

646
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 8: think he, uh, he was one of the bigger supporters

647
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 8: of Basacia last time, and I think he kind of

648
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 8: like you know, slow played it a little bit and

649
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 8: like kind of tried to fall back on it. But

650
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 8: this time he was like, nah, like we're not We're

651
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 8: not doing this ship again basically, And so I think

652
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 8: that was that was huge. Like I think I think

653
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 8: they were probably leaning towards a p anyway, but that

654
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 8: was one of the things, like I don't care about

655
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 8: Jim Harball, I don't care about Bill Belichick, Like don't

656
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 8: don't fuck this up. Mark basically was was what the

657
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 8: message was, and ultimately we saw he got it done.

658
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: Jim and Bill those were the other options. I couldn't imagine.

659
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 8: Those Those weren't like in terms of in terms of

660
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 8: who the Raiders, the only outside candidate that I think

661
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 8: they really truly would have been interested in was Jim

662
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 8: Jim Harbar. I think they actually would have been been

663
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 8: interested in because they were last time that they had

664
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 8: a head coach opening back in twenty twenty one. They

665
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 8: kind of flirted around and kicked the tires on it.

666
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 8: One of the GM can just they interviewed ed Dodds

667
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 8: as a connection to Jim Harbaugh. They both worked for

668
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 8: the Raiders back in two thousand and three. They interviewed

669
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 8: him last time, they interviewed him this time. So it's

670
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 8: kind of one of those things where it was like

671
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 8: kind of hanging around and that was a potential option

672
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 8: that maybe they wanted to explore. But I think, you know,

673
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 8: shortly after that, Crosby, you know, kind of threat came down.

674
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 8: I mean they you know, because of the running rule,

675
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 8: like and it's kind of unfortunate honestly that they had

676
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 8: to like do it, but they kind of just randomly

677
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 8: interviewed to unemployed black former assistant coaches before they interviewed

678
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 8: AP and hired them. But it was clear that, you know,

679
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 8: they weren't really considering anybody else by the time you

680
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 8: know that we came around.

681
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: Did you feel like we were talking throughout the year,

682
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: like from when he got appointed interim. He's obviously a

683
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: very mediate, conscious dude. He worked at ESPN for quite

684
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: some actually worked at ESPN while he was coaching in Poly.

685
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: I definitely felt like, you know, I'm not saying it

686
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: was like fully orchestrated, but it definitely felt like a

687
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: very well executed campaign to get him the coaching job, right.

688
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: You had ex players come out at a certain time

689
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: and say, this, dude is Raiders culture. You had players

690
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: coming out, You had some members of the media I

691
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: saw on some of the press conferences asking like very

692
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: friendly questions about like, hey, I noticed that all the

693
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: practice squad guys are on the site. You know, like

694
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: there are these sort of like different moments where you

695
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: could see the story being built of how this was

696
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: the perfect guy. Did you kind of feel that through

697
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: the time, like, Okay, this is being done in sort

698
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: of a conscientious way, and then I agree with you.

699
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: It's like then Max, you know, puts the big joker

700
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: on the table, and it's like they would at this

701
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: point actively be fucking it up to not hire this dude.

702
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Which if you're an interim

703
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: coach who's gone from a linebacker's coach to being hired

704
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: as one of the top guys in the league. You know,

705
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: again at a real one of the franchises, that really

706
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: means something that has like a global ran that's a

707
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: unique thing. So were you kind of conscious of that

708
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: as it was going on. You could kind of feel

709
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: that momentum, I guess in the room.

710
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, none of that was by accident. Of course, Like

711
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 8: you know, Ap played it pretty smooth. I got to

712
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 8: give him credit for that one, because he you know,

713
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 8: he came in and said all the platitudes about like

714
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 8: I'm not thinking about the off season and getting the

715
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 8: head coaching job and all that in the first Yeah,

716
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 8: you come off top with the with the Raiders backstory.

717
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 8: I grew up a fan I'm from Compton, NWA. Like

718
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 8: you're hitting all the notes. Yep, you got you got

719
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 8: a basketball hoop in the locker room the first day

720
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 8: as soon as we walk in, the players just happened

721
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 8: to be playing one on one blaring music like you.

722
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: But I do feel like that's part of what players

723
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: connect to. I mean, and I know that was the

724
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: case with the super You know, he obviously coach Jack

725
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: Jones when he was in high school. I knew both

726
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: of them well in Long Beach, but he had that

727
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: same connection with players off the same thing. It was

728
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: like players almost appreciated the way he was thinking those

729
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: moves through because he's teaching them if you get into

730
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: a situation, this is what you should be doing X,

731
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: Y and Z to get yourself in a better situation,

732
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: you know what I.

733
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: Mean for sure?

734
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 8: But it also I think it's like it's an optics thing, right,

735
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 8: and so like even from like the post game, like

736
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 8: they beat the giants who sucked and like you're lighting

737
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 8: up post games cigars in the locker room, Like what's.

738
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: Like, you know, what's what's going on here?

739
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: For real?

740
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 8: Like you bring around all the all the former Raider

741
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 8: players in the locker room. He ens all his his

742
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 8: speeches with the long ass Raiders chant, like you know,

743
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 8: he's always wearing you know, all the different cool Raiders memorabilitia.

744
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 8: He's not just wearing the normal night Threa zip up

745
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 8: jacket with the little logo and no, I got, I got,

746
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 8: I got the big ass code on with all the

747
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 8: patches and all this. So like he was, he was

748
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 8: leaning into it and it was smart because it worked.

749
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 8: Obviously obviously the results still had to follow through on

750
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 8: the field. But he got the players on his side,

751
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 8: he had the fans on his side, he had the

752
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 8: alumni on his side, and I think Mark Davis probably

753
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 8: more so than the other owners, Like he's always cared

754
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 8: more about that stuff, just because that's kind of how

755
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 8: the Raiders have always been, you know, It's kind of

756
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 8: how Al Davis was.

757
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's Mark is.

758
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 8: And so like he still was, you know, gonna go

759
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 8: through his process and ultimately do what he wanted to do.

760
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 8: But he can be swayed by those types of things,

761
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 8: I think a little bit more than other owners.

762
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: And I don't think that was something that AP was

763
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: unfamiliar with.

764
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: God Okay, So so you know, it's it's interviewing hiring

765
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: season for NFL coaches right now, right. And when we

766
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: first had you on, we had you on to discuss

767
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: your pod series Between the Lines, which was an examination

768
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: of the NFL and its history with race and it's

769
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: hiring practices and such. And you know, again, incredible work

770
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: on that. Highly recommend all our listeners go check it

771
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: out if you haven't. And you know, at the center

772
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: of our discussion was, of course the Rooney Rule. And

773
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: you know, while we might have had different opinions on that, like,

774
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's a flawed rule, but it's

775
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: better than nothing. And I'm not on some you know,

776
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: be happy for the crumbs they give us. Shit, I'll

777
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: nevery one of those type of motherfuckers. But I think

778
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: we all agree that, like networking is the most vital

779
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: thing to securing a head coaching job in the NFL. Right,

780
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: And we all agreed that, you know, there's truly no

781
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: way to litigate seventy year old billionaires like embrace black

782
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: people into the good old boy network of theirs. Right,

783
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: But I want to talk about about David Shaw. David

784
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: Shaw was the former head coach of Stanford been out

785
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 2: of work for a year, was fired in twenty twenty two,

786
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: and he interviewed for the Chargers head coach position. And

787
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: I think all of us saw that and we rolled

788
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: our eyes, like, Okay, this is a Rooney rule, check off,

789
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: Harbo is that guy?

790
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Right?

791
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: But I think that we have to keep in mind

792
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: that David Show is the offensive coordinator during Harble's head

793
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: coaching gears at Stanford. So I think it's safe to

794
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: kind of in deduce here that Harble probably advocated for

795
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: the Chargers to interview him, right, And the Chargers, who

796
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: obviously had Harble, you know, on their leader board for

797
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 2: this position, we're like, hey, whatever you say, Jimmy will

798
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 2: for sure.

799
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 4: Bring him in it, you know.

800
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: And now you know, we all knew he had no

801
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: chance in hell of ever getting that Chargers head coach position.

802
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: But after that, the Titans brought him in for a

803
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: head coach interview. So you know, I think we can

804
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 2: kind of deduce here as well that he interviewed well

805
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: with the Chargers where it got around that this guy

806
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: is someone who was worth the look, you know, the

807
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: Titans bring him in for an interview. And I do

808
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: think that the Titans probably brought him in good faith

809
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: because they also interviewed the offensive coordinator for the Panthers,

810
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: Thomas Brown, right, and he advanced to the final stages

811
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: of the interview process before they went with Brian Callahan.

812
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: Want Want, But I feel like, you know, the David

813
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: Shaw experience just kind of like perfectly encapsulates, you know,

814
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: my conflicting emotions about the Runey rule. Right, Like there's

815
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: times I roll my eyes when I'm like, okay, they're

816
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: just checking off the box here. But you know, also

817
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: you see the good that that rule can bring at

818
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: times where because you know, David Shaw interviewed well with

819
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: the Chargers, you know, for a position he had no

820
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: chance in hell of getting, but then that landed him

821
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: an interview for a position that.

822
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: He possibly had a shot at.

823
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: Right, So just curious, you know, on your perspective, you

824
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: know where you're at with with kind of the Ruoney rule,

825
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: as flawed as it is, and you know where you

826
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: stand on that. You know, seeing kind of you know,

827
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: this David Shaw kind of example.

828
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 8: It's tough because it's like, for example, one of it

829
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 8: and even though the Raiders hired a black guy, but

830
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 8: they interviewed Leslie Frazier as one of their Reney Rule interviews,

831
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 8: which is what it was. Yeah, he's a Farmer's former

832
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 8: head coach, but most recently it was the former Bill's

833
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 8: defensive coordinator. He was also didn't work this year, Like

834
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 8: he literally the day before he interviewed for the Chargers

835
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 8: joint come over and interview for the Raiders joint. It's like,

836
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 8: you know, he has no chance for either one of those.

837
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 8: And like even again, even though the Raiders hired a

838
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 8: black coach, it's just like for me, it's clear clear.

839
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 8: I mean, an other guy that the Raiders interviewed, Chris Richard,

840
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 8: like he hadn't been in the league for a while either,

841
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 8: and it's like there is no like it's not like

842
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 8: they were going to get hired as a defensive coordinator

843
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 8: because they already got Patrick Graham in place.

844
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: So it's like.

845
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 8: Really no benefit for them of doing this, And for me,

846
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 8: like that that boils down to like just checking the

847
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 8: box and kind of the issue that we talked about

848
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 8: in the past.

849
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: And so I don't really know what the solution is because.

850
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 8: Like who's it is kind of hard to like decipher

851
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 8: like what interviews are real and which which ones aren't.

852
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 8: But I think it goes to show that the rule

853
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 8: is still flogged for sure, and then doesn't really guarantee

854
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 8: anything from that standpoint. And I think it's for me,

855
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 8: like when it comes to coaches who because coaches aren't stupid,

856
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 8: like they're human and they know like going into that interview,

857
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 8: like I didn't really have a chance at the Raiders' job,

858
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 8: Like I'm more so understanding when like a younger coach

859
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 8: does that. Like if you're like in your thirties, up

860
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 8: and coming maybe black coordinator, you don't really know owners

861
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 8: like that, haven't maybe worked for one team your whole

862
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 8: career and don't have those those very relationships. I think

863
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 8: maybe that could be more of a benefit to you

864
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 8: to get into these different rooms and meet these different

865
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 8: owners and coaches and maybe.

866
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: Set you up yourself up for other jobs.

867
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 8: But like what's you're in your fifties and sixties, like

868
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 8: the older black former head coach, like, can we stop

869
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 8: taking these joints that we know like you have absolutely

870
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 8: no chance of getting like what do you like? They

871
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 8: don't really get anything out of that for me, and

872
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 8: so you know it'd be better off just let it

873
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 8: leaving that up to, like I said, one of those

874
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 8: younger black coaches or another obviously the RENNYI wasn't just

875
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 8: about black candidates, but whether it's women or another race

876
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 8: or whatever it may be. I just kind of it

877
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 8: kind of makes me feel weird when it's like the

878
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 8: older coaches, especially ones that have already been head coaches,

879
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. Right, So that's it's kind

880
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 8: of it's still kind of a conflict for me, Like

881
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 8: I don't really love it. I know what you're saying about, Like,

882
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 8: you know, him getting other interviews, but like ultimately he

883
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 8: still did can get a job so far from from

884
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 8: what I could tell, you know, out of it.

885
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: So did you did you notice Like I felt like

886
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: I noticed an uptick in the number of national uh uh,

887
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: you know, the kind of breaking news guys who would

888
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: tweet like, oh, the Chargers interviewed this person, which fulfills

889
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 3: their runeing rule obligation. Like I felt like there was

890
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: a real uptick in people who are tweeting that out.

891
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: And that's what I thought about every time, is what

892
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: y'all were just referencing, Like that must feel shitty as fuck,

893
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: you know, even if you're you're a black candidate who

894
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: knows he's interviewing as part of the ruining Rule. So

895
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: then you open your phone up and it's like, oh,

896
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: the Chargers. It's literally like Adam Schefter saying, the Chargers

897
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: checked the ruining rule box, you know what I mean,

898
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: Like with with your name attached to it? Did you

899
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: kind of notice that? Uptick? And and I I anytime

900
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 3: I see that, I have to imagine it's not like

901
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: a coincidence that you know, that was being pushed out

902
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: there more this year.

903
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it wasn't just them, like I did it too.

904
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 8: Like when the Raiders interview Richard and Leslie Frasier and

905
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 8: all the other interview was Antonio Pierce. I'm like, all right,

906
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 8: like we're not stupid here, like we can see, you know,

907
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 8: we can see what this is, you know what I mean.

908
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 8: But I feel like it's you know, it may come

909
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 8: off kind of insensitive and whatnot, and so I get

910
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 8: like some people reacting to that negatively, but I feel

911
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 8: like we should point that out, Like if a team

912
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 8: is just interviewing two black people on some bullshit and

913
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 8: just to satisfy the rooming rule, like we should state it.

914
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: You know.

915
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, you shouldn't run from it and act like enlist

916
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 8: a person's resume and act like they actually have a

917
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 8: real chance for the job that we don't like. I

918
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 8: don't think there's any reason for us to play stupid

919
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 8: about it. Yeah, you know, I think I think that

920
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 8: kind of stuff like helps point out like the flaws

921
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 8: of the rule and kind of how.

922
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: Ridiculous it is when some of these teams.

923
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 8: Like they already have their mind made up and they're

924
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,479
Speaker 8: just doing this just because they have to, not because

925
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 8: they really are interested in this candidate.

926
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: I guess I viewed reporting from you is different from

927
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: reporting from from from from You're trying to call some

928
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: people out on what right right? Because to me, right

929
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: it's like I and I obviously loved your podcast that

930
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: Tyler's referencing, but like then I look at Adam Schefter

931
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 3: and it's like, Okay, this is like the teams want

932
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: him to, you know, make sure that everyone knows. But

933
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: maybe he is being like you said, maybe it is

934
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 3: just he has the same motivations as you potentially too,

935
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: I guess. But yeah, that's that that's a that's a

936
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 3: that's a fair point. It's like it's bullshit, but it's

937
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 3: not the reporter's fault. It's bullshit.

938
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 8: It's like I'm only telling you what the team is doing,

939
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 8: like I ain't doing it.

940
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: All right? What's a Sean? Thank you so much for

941
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: hopping on? Man? Oh, actually, before you get out of here, man,

942
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: what's what? What's the super Bowl going to be?

943
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: Like?

944
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I I just can't have a super Bowl

945
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 3: in Las Vegas is like, uh, it just feels like

946
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: it feels like the setup to a crazy movie, you

947
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: know what I mean, like an Over.

948
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 4: Part four or whatever.

949
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: Are you excited? Are you already like dreading some of

950
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 3: the craziness we were just talking about, Like I'm hoping

951
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: everyone behaves themselves, but it's like you have the whole

952
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: football world converging on Las Vegas when they're probably most

953
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: of them leaving places that were cold. I don't know, man,

954
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 3: might be it might be interested. What are your thoughts

955
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: on that coming up in a couple of weeks.

956
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 8: I mean I'm excited for it. I mean, I know

957
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 8: we had we had Formula one here in Vegas a

958
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 8: couple couple of months ago, and that was like a

959
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 8: you know, three day event, and they shut down the

960
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 8: whole strip and but I feel like that's more of

961
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 8: like an elitist not the super Bowl isn't, but like

962
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 8: Formula one is very much so like I have like

963
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 8: millions of dollars and if I'm here, you know, I

964
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 8: have millions of dollars type of event, or as a

965
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 8: super Bowl, you're going to have those type of people too,

966
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 8: but you're also going to have like a few hundred

967
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 8: thousand like random drunk people that just wanted to get

968
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 8: into some crazy shit and the streets won't be shut

969
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 8: down like it was a Formula one. So like the

970
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 8: chances for bullshit are very high that.

971
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: It's going to be crazy for sure.

972
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: Forecast calls for at least eighty five. Yeah, it's like

973
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: it's Vegas.

974
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: It's not just like a normal city, you know.

975
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 8: It's it's like, I know, the super Bowl is crazy anywhere,

976
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 8: but like from the clubs to the strip clubs, to

977
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 8: the gambling to everything else going on in the city,

978
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 8: Like it's going to be wild.

979
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna be wild for sure, but then I.

980
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 8: Think it's gonna be fun, Like I'm looking forward to it.

981
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 8: I've never covered a super Bowl before, you know, and

982
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 8: so like I from Afar, I can kind of get

983
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 8: get the sensible the experience is like, but this is different,

984
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 8: you know when when it's up close and personal and

985
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 8: obviously Allegian Stadium is dope. You know they're going to

986
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 8: turn out all the stops to make sure the game

987
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 8: is you know, it's crazy and so I'm looking forward

988
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 8: to it personally, like more so like honed in like

989
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 8: the matchups in terms of what teams we get to see,

990
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 8: because I'm I'm definitely uh, you know, I'm trying to

991
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 8: get like the blackest super Bowl possible.

992
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: It's like we need Baltimore de truck, Baltimore de truck

993
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: with us at the half hour.

994
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know Geordan Love let us down,

995
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: so we don't we don't got to see.

996
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 8: But like the Lions Detroit, it don't get too much

997
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 8: blacker to Detroit. So like if we get that, and

998
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 8: I know Lamarin get Lamar in their Baltimore. So like,

999
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 8: like I said, Usher at the halftime show, the pregame

1000
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 8: show kind of threw me off.

1001
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: I was kind of good.

1002
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 8: I know, I know, I just talked about post Malone earlier,

1003
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 8: but like why is why was post Malone singing? I

1004
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 8: think it's a Star Singleed Bannon or some shit one

1005
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 8: of them. He's singing like one of the like America

1006
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 8: songs that we sing before games for.

1007
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: Some reason, post Malone singing God Bless America.

1008
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: He's singing something before for real.

1009
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 8: We're going from post Malone and like somebody else before

1010
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 8: the game to Usher at halftime, Like who set this up?

1011
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 4: I guess.

1012
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 8: I guess we gotta blame jay Z right like everything,

1013
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 8: I'm looking forward to it. It should be America? The is

1014
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 8: it America? Beautiful?

1015
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah? Jackson just messages that I will be honest

1016
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 3: with you pretty good. Imagination cannot picture that. I cannot be.

1017
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 6: He's a big country music fan, so I mean I

1018
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 6: kind of from Texas.

1019
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: Kind of makes sense, you know, man, I guess he's

1020
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: not an easy song to sing.

1021
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 6: No, I don't think it'll be good. I'm just saying

1022
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 6: I think he'll enjoy it because country music fans probably

1023
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 6: like singing songs like that. That's where I'm coming from.

1024
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 6: I don't I don't think. Not the biggest Postmalon fan person.

1025
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 3: All Rightashawan, thank you? Oh uh? Becaus got a question

1026
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 3: that's a good question before you get out of here.

1027
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: What player do you enjoy interviewing the most on the Raiders. Mhm.

1028
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs for sure, because Josh Jacobs just say ship.

1029
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 8: He don't care, like it's like whatever it is is

1030
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 8: on his mind, it's coming out like there's no filtered

1031
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 8: there's no like I have.

1032
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: One of the last things he said, I think before

1033
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: Josh m.

1034
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 8: Daniel's got fired, I think we asked him about how

1035
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 8: to fix the offense and he's like, my child, you're not.

1036
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: Supposed to take get so many words.

1037
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 8: I appreciate you like jo Josh Davis for sure, He'll

1038
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 8: keep it a bug no matter what's going on.

1039
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: That's great, all right, DeShawn, thank you so much for

1040
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 3: hopping on. Stay safe out there in Vegas, you know,

1041
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: during super Bowl week and have a lot of bum

1042
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 3: bro and we'll see you soon. We appreciate you hopping on.

1043
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 4: I appreciate you

1044
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: The volume