Speaker 1: Bridgerton The Official Podcast is a production of Shondaland in
Speaker 1: partnership with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Bridgerton the Official Podcast, your exclusive peak behind
Speaker 2: the curtain of Shondaland's Bridgerton series. I'm Betsy Beers, executive
Speaker 2: producer Bridgerton and your host for Inside the ton a
Speaker 2: four part special that dives deep into the genesis and
Speaker 2: journey of some of the most beloved characters from the show.
Speaker 2: We kick things off with Penelope Featherington the last episode
Speaker 2: and by the way, if you haven't listened, I really
Speaker 2: highly recommend you do. And today we've got a two
Speaker 2: for one special because we're talking about our favorite rebels
Speaker 2: amongst the Bridgerton bunch, Eloise and Benedict. Joining me to
Speaker 2: take a closer look at the notorious wingset siblings are
Speaker 2: author Julia Quinn and showrunner Jess Brownell. And we'll also
Speaker 2: hear actress Claudia Jesse and Luke Thompson waiy in on
Speaker 2: what's heavy on their character's minds ahead of season three.
Speaker 2: But first, let's recall the recent events in the lives
Speaker 2: of Miss Eloise and mister Benedict Bridgerton. Number one, just
Speaker 2: to fit right in. Eloise has made a habit of
Speaker 2: rocking the boat of polite society. She's commonly seen refusing
Speaker 2: to dance in balls, promenading with her nose in a book,
Speaker 2: and outright questioning the institution of marriage itself. She doesn't
Speaker 2: buy into the idea that a woman has to marry
Speaker 2: and raise a family or take up hobbies like flower
Speaker 2: ranging and pianoforte in order to be considered accomplished. In
Speaker 2: season two, Elouise entered society, but her goal wasn't finding
Speaker 2: a husband. No, she was much more interested in uncovering
Speaker 2: Lady Whistledown's identity. Her investigation led her to spark an
Speaker 2: unlikely relationship with a charming printer's assistant after coming close
Speaker 2: to social ruin, though he's finally found out who was
Speaker 2: really wielding the pen and discovered it was no other
Speaker 2: than her best friend, Penelope Featherington. So now we are
Speaker 2: all waiting with bita breath to find out how exactly
Speaker 2: will Eloise deal with her best friend's betrayal. Benedict, on
Speaker 2: the other hand, is a pretty good foil for Eloise's
Speaker 2: experience at society. On his side, he's totally free to
Speaker 2: avoid marriage at least for now, and in the last
Speaker 2: season we saw him have a couple of flings, one
Speaker 2: with our modiste, Madame de Lacroix and another with a
Speaker 2: fellow art student. But Benedict's true love, it turns.
Speaker 3: Out, is the arts.
Speaker 2: We see him hone his skills with the brush as
Speaker 2: he immerses himself in the bohemian underbelly of high society.
Speaker 2: Like his sister, he explores to find a deeper purpose,
Speaker 2: but his artistic aspirations are crushed when he finds out
Speaker 2: his brother Anthony.
Speaker 3: Paid for his place in art school. Woof.
Speaker 2: I wonder what is next for our free spirit in
Speaker 2: both love and creativity. So let's dive into the rebels, okay,
Speaker 2: Eloise and Benedict Bridgardon. Julia Quinn has authored nearly forty books,
Speaker 2: and the Bridgerton novels are among them. By the way,
Speaker 2: that's quite a lot of characters to make up and
Speaker 2: keep track of. From what I can tell. She and
Speaker 2: I talked about where she got the inspiration for our
Speaker 2: two rebels in this big world of high society, regency, romance,
Speaker 2: and why it really is incredibly important to provide that
Speaker 2: point of view within the ton let's talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about Eloise and Benedict. I know on the show,
Speaker 2: some of my favorite scenes are the two of them interacting,
Speaker 2: just because the Swing. I'm just obsessed with the scenes
Speaker 2: on the Swing.
Speaker 4: I wish I could claim that, but that came from
Speaker 4: the screenwriters, and I love it. Their friendship is definitely
Speaker 4: deeper in the show than I believe it was in
Speaker 4: the book, and I absolutely love it.
Speaker 5: And I don't know. I have to think, but thank you.
Speaker 2: Someone, Okay, are either of these characters? I'm actually going
Speaker 2: to open this upisode general question for you. How much
Speaker 2: are any of these folks based on people? You know?
Speaker 4: I don't think there was anybody specific, although for a
Speaker 4: long time I said I was a combination of Elouise, Francesca,
Speaker 4: and Penelope, like if you put them.
Speaker 5: All together, you would get me.
Speaker 4: But now that I've gotten a lot older, I think
Speaker 4: I might be violent now, which.
Speaker 5: Is not a bad thing.
Speaker 2: By the way, I'd kill to be a combination of
Speaker 2: there as three women right there. And why do you
Speaker 2: feel like it's important that both of these characters are
Speaker 2: so different from the rest of the Ton, Because what's
Speaker 2: great is you have the Ton and the Ton's kind
Speaker 2: of going along, and then Eloise is going through her
Speaker 2: own journey and Benedict's going through his own journey. It
Speaker 2: seems like an important thing to me. But can you
Speaker 2: speak a little bit to that in terms of the
Speaker 2: different points of view you're giving up society?
Speaker 4: Well, I just think it's important to know that there
Speaker 4: are people who for whom regular society doesn't work in
Speaker 4: the same way, or that you can be a little
Speaker 4: bit of a square peg and you can move along.
Speaker 4: And the thing is, you know they're a little different,
Speaker 4: but they actually do okay within it, but not like say, Daphne,
Speaker 4: did you know it's not a perfect fit.
Speaker 2: I think you're right, it's like Daphanie. And this is
Speaker 2: why I'm asking the question, because I feel like when
Speaker 2: I watch it, it's really important to be able to
Speaker 2: and read it. It's really important to have all these
Speaker 2: different points of view on both the benefits of the
Speaker 2: time in which they're living and the restrictions. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So what's great is you really get to fantasize as
Speaker 2: Daphne about being the person who can crush it. What
Speaker 2: I find incredibly to be this it's really refreshing to
Speaker 2: have Eloise there, you know, as a sort of response,
Speaker 2: and then Benedictoine you look at the burden of being
Speaker 2: first born that Anthony has. It just it feels to
Speaker 2: me like it's a really important thing to have all
Speaker 2: these different points of view on how different people react
Speaker 2: in what is an incredibly regimented and traditional sort of society.
Speaker 4: It's also a lot about finding yourself within and finding
Speaker 4: your identity within a large family.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I come from a large family, so I mean
Speaker 4: I kind of get that. I get that sense of
Speaker 4: feeling like, you know, who am I apart from this
Speaker 4: family in which I was born, which I think is
Speaker 4: a big part of what drives Benedict specifically, Eloise has
Speaker 4: the added layer of who am I apart from this
Speaker 4: family in which I was born? And on top of it,
Speaker 4: I'm female in a world that like doesn't let me
Speaker 4: do anything, So there's that as well. But another thing
Speaker 4: that I always try to do with these characters, especially
Speaker 4: the women, is that you know, you have these women
Speaker 4: who are kind of fighting against these restrictions, but they're
Speaker 4: not necessarily overthrowing them. They're not the ones who are
Speaker 4: like I'm going to you know, they're not completely smashing
Speaker 4: the patriarch. It's a little early in time for anybody
Speaker 4: to be able to do that. But you know, they're
Speaker 4: not the women who history would necessarily label as extraordinary.
Speaker 4: And yet I think it's so important to tell the
Speaker 4: stories of women who were doing the best they could
Speaker 4: with what they had, which which isn't necessarily the same
Speaker 4: as the ones who you know, we can't all be
Speaker 4: Marie Curiy. We can't all, you know, be the woman
Speaker 4: who broke down the barricade. Sometimes we have to be
Speaker 4: the women who took out the bricks from the wall
Speaker 4: so somebody else could smash it down. And I just
Speaker 4: think so often, you know, we hear these things like,
Speaker 4: you know, well behaved women rarely make history, that's it.
Speaker 6: I love that.
Speaker 4: But there are a lot of women who don't make history,
Speaker 4: but their stories are still so important. And so I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm kind of fighting the narrative a little
Speaker 4: that the only women we should celebrate are the extraordinary ones.
Speaker 3: That's really really well put.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, because I'm thinking about and
Speaker 2: you know, they ask a question, which is, oh, is
Speaker 2: Eloise inspired by any particular you know, rebellious famous sort
Speaker 2: of early suffragette and you just answered the question. Because
Speaker 2: the interesting thing is I can't think of it. But
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that it's not a ton There's not
Speaker 2: a tonnage of people doing tiny acts of kindness or
Speaker 2: not even rebellion, I think very often. And it's one
Speaker 2: of the things you do so beautifully with the bridger Tints,
Speaker 2: and I think you play with with the Featheringtons in
Speaker 2: a very different way, which is it's women supporting women.
Speaker 2: And that's what's great about the Bridgetons is they're all different,
Speaker 2: and they all kind of poke at each other, but
Speaker 2: everybody's got everybody's back, and there's a genuine sort of
Speaker 2: like love and support there. And I think what you're
Speaker 2: saying about, they're all of these people who are contributing
Speaker 2: to the moment when Madame Curie discovers the big Madame
Speaker 2: Carree thing. You know, Yeah, And that's that's incredibly I
Speaker 2: think that that's an incredible observation.
Speaker 4: Some of this has to do with the time period
Speaker 4: and when in which I'm working, and that if you
Speaker 4: look at you know, the history of women's rights, you know,
Speaker 4: and and of suffrage and you know, trying to get
Speaker 4: into university and things like that, it's all coming enough
Speaker 4: years after the regency that you know, my characters, it's
Speaker 4: difficult for them to be the first to.
Speaker 5: Be the one to knock down the wall.
Speaker 4: But I love the idea of them setting the stage
Speaker 4: that their granddaughters are going to be able to maybe
Speaker 4: one of their granddaughters.
Speaker 5: Can be the one who ends up in the history books.
Speaker 5: But but again, I just I.
Speaker 4: Just don't like the idea that the only stories of
Speaker 4: women that deserve to be told are the ones who
Speaker 4: are in the history books or who, you know, if
Speaker 4: in fiction, doing.
Speaker 5: Things that would put them in the history books.
Speaker 4: Like it's sort of like the whole trope of you know,
Speaker 4: every dystopian novel seems to have like a t teenage
Speaker 4: girl who is the chosen one.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, I want to hear about some of
Speaker 4: the people who weren't the chosen ones but are doing
Speaker 4: stuff all the same, you know, And I just think
Speaker 4: their stories are also important.
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, and I think that that
Speaker 2: is delightfully thought. It's a thousand teenage girls to lead
Speaker 2: to the teenage girl that makes the big teenage blash.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this short break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Bridgerton the Official Podcast. I love how
Speaker 2: Julius so beautifully encapsulated Shondalan's ethos when it comes to storytelling.
Speaker 2: For us, not every story needs to be about the
Speaker 2: moment the barrier has been broken, though of course we
Speaker 2: love those tales. I think, really sometimes the most compelling
Speaker 2: stories are the ones of those people who are simply
Speaker 2: doing the absolute best they can to shift and to
Speaker 2: grow with the cards that were done them. Thank you, Julia,
Speaker 2: So I once again sat down with a woman who's
Speaker 2: shaping the way we will see Eloise and Benedict on
Speaker 2: screen this season, showrunner Jess Brown. Now we talk shop
Speaker 2: about the siblings' experiences, their motivations, and what these characters
Speaker 2: tell us about regency society and our own. I mean,
Speaker 2: why do we have characters who are on the sides
Speaker 2: poking fun at the society at the same time we're
Speaker 2: watching it.
Speaker 7: Well, I think they're stand ins for modern audience in
Speaker 7: a lot of ways. You know, you have both of
Speaker 7: them who are in some ways two hundred years ahead
Speaker 7: of their time, and they have like this little itch
Speaker 7: that something's not right about this world, which we as
Speaker 7: modern audiences obviously see.
Speaker 2: What do you see happening and what can you sort
Speaker 2: of tease for people happening for Benedict this season too?
Speaker 2: Because I do feel like I love Benedict. I mean,
Speaker 2: what can we say about and what can you talk
Speaker 2: about to expect from Benedict to see and where do
Speaker 2: you think Benedict's head is as we enter into this season.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So Benedict is a really fun character to write
Speaker 7: for because he's one of the more impulsive characters. You know,
Speaker 7: season one he was in the party world, he decided
Speaker 7: he didn't want to do that, and then season two
Speaker 7: he was in the art world. He got a little
Speaker 7: tiny feeling of rejection after he found out Anthony bought
Speaker 7: his way into art school and he gave up. Which
Speaker 7: is an area of growth. A potential growth for Benedict is,
Speaker 7: you know, both the quickness with which he jumps into
Speaker 7: something and then the quickness with which he jumps out
Speaker 7: of it. So entering into season three, he's going to
Speaker 7: be jumping into a new milieu and potentially jumping out
Speaker 7: of it and jumping into something else again.
Speaker 6: I think his.
Speaker 7: Journey in season three is about figuring out what he
Speaker 7: wants because he's a character who could do anything. He's
Speaker 7: a renaissance man, but he has to decide what he
Speaker 7: wants to commit to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can hardly wait to watch that.
Speaker 2: So I think there's been a lot of chatter and
Speaker 2: talk about the fact that there are two characters in
Speaker 2: the show, obviously that are seem to be kind of
Speaker 2: moving towards our alternative lifestyles is the best way I
Speaker 2: can put it, Like Eloise and Benedict both and that
Speaker 2: they don't fit into the ton They're trying to carve
Speaker 2: new experiences for themselves and develop new ways of living,
Speaker 2: and some fans have found parallels in their personal experiences
Speaker 2: with being in the LGBTQ community. Why do you think
Speaker 2: those characters resonate with that audience and what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on the theory.
Speaker 7: Yeah, First of all, I think if Benedict and Eloise
Speaker 7: were alive in twenty twenty four, they would both think
Speaker 7: it's awesome that they're queer icons. In a way, I
Speaker 7: think they would certainly be allies of the queer community
Speaker 7: at the very least, whether or not either one of
Speaker 7: them is queer is, you know, left to be to
Speaker 7: be discovered. You know, we know that Eloise has had
Speaker 7: feelings for THEO the printer boy. Does that mean that
Speaker 7: she couldn't also feel something for a woman? Who knows?
Speaker 7: But I'll say this, I think part of the reason
Speaker 7: it seems people think Eloise might be queer is because
Speaker 7: she loves to read and she doesn't want to get married.
Speaker 7: And I just I know a lot of lesbians who
Speaker 7: have had a Pinterest board for their wedding since they
Speaker 7: were thirteen and who haven't picked up a book in years.
Speaker 7: So I don't think that loving to read and you know,
Speaker 7: not wanting to get married are a definite you know, yes,
Speaker 7: she's queer. I do think that it means that maybe
Speaker 7: she's interested in something other than romance, something bigger than romance,
Speaker 7: and that might evolve over time. But for where she
Speaker 7: that right now, I don't think it's just that she
Speaker 7: hasn't found the right gender. She's just not interested in
Speaker 7: romance at all right now in her life men, women anyone.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And she and she's had a best friend, you know,
Speaker 2: and they've shared this in common too, which means she
Speaker 2: was she has company and it is It's funny. It's
Speaker 2: like she doesn't like petticoats and dresses, so therefore dot
Speaker 2: dot dot dot. But I think that's incredibly well put,
Speaker 2: and any comments on I mean, Benedict's sort of in
Speaker 2: the same category, which is he just seems like a
Speaker 2: guy who is interested in searching for what's next and
Speaker 2: what and where he belongs in that family.
Speaker 7: You know, yes, he is trying to figure out his
Speaker 7: place in the world and what he wants. He's certainly
Speaker 7: an open minded character.
Speaker 2: I think what I would just say about Benedict is
Speaker 2: Benedict is clearly somebody who he's been in the Demimonde,
Speaker 2: he's been a painter. I think he's somebody who is
Speaker 2: is curious about the world. But it's going to be
Speaker 2: fun to watch him grow and figure out what his
Speaker 2: place is in the Bridgerton family. I think it's really
Speaker 2: hard when your brothers, and certainly when your oldest brother
Speaker 2: is Antony, because I'll never forget. In like season one,
Speaker 2: Antony's about to go into a duel and you can
Speaker 2: see on Benedict's.
Speaker 3: Face, Oh this blows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you telling me that I might have to
Speaker 2: actually take over here?
Speaker 3: You've got to be drunk.
Speaker 6: I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 2: So he's got a long way to go to get anywhere,
Speaker 2: I think in terms of his sort of his personal growth,
Speaker 2: which is another reason why I think it was so
Speaker 2: smart to use Penelope and Colin and bring them up
Speaker 2: for this season.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't want to force them into a box
Speaker 7: too quickly. I also, if I can, while we're here
Speaker 7: talking about, you know, the LGBT community, I think it's
Speaker 7: important to note Bridgerton is a show about love and
Speaker 7: all its forms. You know, we explore friendship love, we
Speaker 7: explore romantic love. I think it is very import important
Speaker 7: to explore LGBT love on the show as well, and
Speaker 7: I'm really excited for fans to see what we're doing
Speaker 7: with that in coming seasons.
Speaker 2: Yep. It's also I think the really interesting decision to
Speaker 2: make Elouise the one who finds out about Lady Whistledown,
Speaker 2: because I don't think it was like that in the book.
Speaker 7: So in the book, Eloise is one of the last
Speaker 7: people actually to find out that Penelope is whistled Down.
Speaker 7: But in our world, we've foregrounded the relationship between Eloise
Speaker 7: and Penelope so much, and Eloise's search for Whistledown has
Speaker 7: been such an ongoing runner that it made sense for
Speaker 7: Eloise to be one of the first people to know
Speaker 7: that she's whistled down. And I'll also say that I
Speaker 7: think a lot of really interesting stuff is happening in
Speaker 7: that fight between them at the end of season two.
Speaker 7: You know, of course, Penn is in the wrong in
Speaker 7: a lot of ways for lying to Eloise, for writing
Speaker 7: about her the way she did, and plenty of other
Speaker 7: men stakes, But I wouldn't say Eloise is entirely blameless either.
Speaker 7: In their friendship. I think Eloise has some growth to
Speaker 7: do around listening, and I think she spends a lot
Speaker 7: of time sort of monologuing at Penelope without really holding
Speaker 7: quite enough space for Penn. Some of that is Pen's responsibility,
Speaker 7: you know, for herself, but I think a part of
Speaker 7: Eloise knows that she's taken up a lot of space
Speaker 7: in this friendship, and maybe if she had allowed pen
Speaker 7: a little more space, she would have told her that
Speaker 7: secret earlier on. So I think it's going to be
Speaker 7: really interesting to not have them be friends in season three.
Speaker 7: It gives them both a chance to grow without that
Speaker 7: safety net of their best friend. Oh.
Speaker 2: I think I think that's such a good point, and
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, because I feel like we've
Speaker 2: also you know, I think as a storyteller for you,
Speaker 2: but also as an audience member, you start to take
Speaker 2: certain relationships for granted, and I take certain relationships for granted,
Speaker 2: and then they go in the shitter, and then I
Speaker 2: understand that I was taking for granted.
Speaker 3: Also, you look at the age that.
Speaker 2: These girls are, these women are while this story is
Speaker 2: being told, and of course you start to grow in
Speaker 2: different directions. And I think it was such a smart
Speaker 2: thing to do because we get dependent and lazy as
Speaker 2: watchers when we see the same relationship over and over again.
Speaker 2: It's going to make the storytelling for this season even
Speaker 2: more interesting because we get it's almost like a do
Speaker 2: over for these two characters in a really really cool way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a chance to discover whether, you know what,
Speaker 7: we were just friends of convenience all along as a
Speaker 7: lot of us, you know, have with these friendships from
Speaker 7: high school or college or whatever, or are we soul
Speaker 7: friends who just needed to do a little growing separately.
Speaker 7: That's the question I think coming into season three.
Speaker 2: As you heard Jess allude to, We've got so much
Speaker 2: to look forward to with these two characters in this season.
Speaker 2: I am beyond excited to continue our conversations with Jess
Speaker 2: in the coming episodes.
Speaker 3: Wait for it.
Speaker 2: You know, we can't let this episode end without hearing
Speaker 2: from the actual actors who brought these characters to life.
Speaker 3: Here's Claudia Jesse, who plays Eloise.
Speaker 8: Elouise is nineteen as am I, and in season two
Speaker 8: we've sort of we've left her with no best mate
Speaker 8: and the ending of a sort of situationship she had with,
Speaker 8: you know, a lovely printer boy, and so things have
Speaker 8: sort of caved in. And then in her family everyone's
Speaker 8: marrying off or finding their path, and I think I
Speaker 8: think Eloise is a lot of the time met with
Speaker 8: a sort of loving eye roll from her family. So
Speaker 8: I think she must feel quite alone. I guess if
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm thirty four, and if my relationship ended
Speaker 8: and then my best friend Laila and I fell out,
Speaker 8: and then I turned to my family, who all seemed
Speaker 8: to love me, but not fully fully get they don't
Speaker 8: fully catch my hammer, if you will. The one thing
Speaker 8: that she found solace in was reading Lady Whistledown, which
Speaker 8: has now been tarnished and tainted slightly. I just think
Speaker 8: she will feel quite empty. So there's no surprise that
Speaker 8: when people are sort of disenfranchised and not enchanted by
Speaker 8: the things around them, they may end up following an
Speaker 8: unusual path. The reason I think that the audience connects
Speaker 8: with Eluise is because she is the closest to the.
Speaker 6: Audience that you're going to get.
Speaker 8: I believe the beauty about Bridgington is that we can
Speaker 8: sort of bleed into different, you know, disciplines.
Speaker 6: We don't always have to walk this perfect line of
Speaker 6: like a period drama.
Speaker 8: Like you know, it's beautiful, It's like this perfect thing
Speaker 8: with all these the wicked music and you know, everything's
Speaker 8: just a little bit, a little bit spread out, do
Speaker 8: you know what I mean? And I think Eloise is
Speaker 8: very contemporary, She's very funny.
Speaker 6: I've certainly played her with.
Speaker 8: What feels like a fresh like physicality as well, So
Speaker 8: I think I think that's why people connect with her
Speaker 8: so much. And I haven't seen what people say online,
Speaker 8: but I do have people that have said to me,
Speaker 8: you know that they love Eloise because they can relate
Speaker 8: to her.
Speaker 2: Here is the incomparable Luke Thompson who plays Benedictte.
Speaker 9: Because it's so relaxed, it was quite nice to hide
Speaker 9: behind his relaxed Delean they're on set because when I
Speaker 9: was really stressed, I think, well, benefit's not stressed, so
Speaker 9: I'll just leave back and enjoy it. So he's actually
Speaker 9: been a very nice character to sort of just sort
Speaker 9: of slip into. And you know, obviously it's amazing to
Speaker 9: be able to take you know, it's not given. It's
Speaker 9: quite an opportunity to get to take a character like
Speaker 9: this through that long a time where because you can
Speaker 9: really develop the character and all sorts of directions, and
Speaker 9: that's sort of what's happened in season one and two.
Speaker 9: I think what's been really fun is you really get
Speaker 9: a sense of someone trying to find himself and trying
Speaker 9: different things, and those different things making him feel different ways,
Speaker 9: and then you get to have a proper sort of
Speaker 9: landscape to play with. He's got a nice position with Eloise,
Speaker 9: one of the sort of I guess, but one of
Speaker 9: a better word, yeah, Rebels, I guess, certainly sort of outsiders,
Speaker 9: which is fun because he's sort of always slightly commenting
Speaker 9: on what's going on. He's slightly sort of to one side.
Speaker 9: I think people identify with that, that sort of sense
Speaker 9: of not being sure quite how you fit into a
Speaker 9: structure and trying to work out who you are in
Speaker 9: relationship to it all. You know, he's not been pushed out.
Speaker 9: It's just that he doesn't feel like he quite fits in,
Speaker 9: which is a different thing. And again I think maybe
Speaker 9: that's also what's really fun to play with a character
Speaker 9: like that, is that the struggle is inside, not outside.
Speaker 9: The struggle is something to do with who he sees
Speaker 9: himself as and how he relates to other people, rather
Speaker 9: than as we discover I think in season two. You know,
Speaker 9: when he's put in a situation where he is in society,
Speaker 9: he manages it perfectly well. In many ways, he manages
Speaker 9: it better than Anthony. You know, actually he's much more
Speaker 9: He's much more contained and able to sort of navigate.
Speaker 9: He's not more diplomatic in a way than Anthony, So
Speaker 9: you know, in a way, it's not a question of aptitude.
Speaker 9: It's not a question of him not being able to it.
Speaker 9: It's something in that and that's really juicy to like,
Speaker 9: that's really interesting to play around with think about.
Speaker 2: So many thank you, thank you, thank you to my
Speaker 2: special guests Claudia Jesse, Luke Thompson, Jess Brownell and of
Speaker 2: course Julia Quinn. I'm your host, Betsy Beers, and thank
Speaker 2: you for listening to Inside the Ton?
Speaker 3: What mischief for you?
Speaker 2: Kind of hoping Eloise and Benedict get into in season three?
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