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Speaker 1: welcome back to Software Radio in Studio. This morning, I

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Speaker 1: which was interesting. I was reading up on that, that

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Speaker 1: Come on Lacan who introduced us, So thanks for joining us. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for this morning. Man. I wish we could have

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Speaker 1: when they were probably just immersed in a public area

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00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 1: and unaware. That's that's probably the problem. The problem is

430
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying. Predators take advantage of all of that.

431
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: We just have to be aware of it. The problem

432
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: is you're told that if you study the subject, that

433
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 1: you're somehow you're advocating violence, or that you are advocating

434
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: criminal activity, and it's just misunderstanding. What people don't understand.

435
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: What people call self defense is really after the fact,

436
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 1: what we do is we use violence, and then after

437
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: the active violence has happened, it's going to be determined

438
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: whether it was a justified use of the term. And

439
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: if it's justified, they're gonna call it self defense and

440
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: everything's away. If it's not, it's gonna be a criminal use,

441
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: and now you're gonna get processed through the legal system.

442
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: How to navigate those waters is really the reason I

443
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 1: wrote the book, because that's where most people make mistake.

444
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: They want to respond to things that are easily avoidable,

445
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: and yet when they are devoid of choice and they're

446
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: facing imminent grievous balbly harm, oftentimes they want to talk,

447
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: you know. And and that's the one time, that's one

448
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: of the rare times when you actually need to use

449
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: a tool of violence. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we have.

450
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: The saying you're probably well familiar with in the seal

451
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: community is like violence of action, right. And I was

452
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,959
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan and after eleven most of the ops we

453
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: went on, which I mean god, over a dozen no

454
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: shots fired because we hit the target so asked and

455
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: furious using this violence of action. By the time, these

456
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: guys are like hoods on their head or there's zip tied.

457
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: You know, it was like after that settled in, they

458
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: got pisted, you know, you could see the rage, but

459
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: we were so the violence of action just overwhelmed these

460
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: guys and it just works, you know, especially I have

461
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: a couple of buddies in New York. Jeff, my friend

462
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: is a c amount of Vader media, and he's always

463
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: he's a McDonald's all American basketball collegiate guy and he's

464
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: an alpha dude. But he's always like fucking around with me.

465
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, Jeff, dude, I'm not gonna like play fight

466
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: you you know what I mean. It's like it's because

467
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,239
Speaker 1: you just you don't know, like that your version of

468
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: of like college you know, bar fights is like shoving

469
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: back and forth and maybe one guy gets punched. I

470
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: was like, you have no idea, like what what real?

471
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 1: Like you know, combat fighting is like it's just like

472
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: not going to go to completion, you know what I mean,

473
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: Like you're solving, You're solving for this equation and it's

474
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 1: not there's no tapping out right. Well, it's funny. You're

475
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: probably the same way. Like I love when people start

476
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: screaming around with me because I know I have him.

477
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: At that point they think, oh it terms it was

478
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: this a nice guy and everything. No, I don't want

479
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: anybody to know I know anything, because if I need it,

480
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a complete surprised I want that

481
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: violence of action, and I wanted to be sudden. But

482
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm shocked. It's how how many guys who are alpha's,

483
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: and I've I've trained a lot of them, especially here

484
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: in New York when I come here that really misunderstand reality.

485
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: Like I had a guy tell me he was from Goldman,

486
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: just like mid two thousands. He told me about one

487
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: of their traders. It wasn't a guy trained. This guy

488
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: was truly like he was one of those world class traders,

489
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,479
Speaker 1: really full of himself. He was out one time and

490
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: they're walking the streets, him and two other friends. These

491
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: two guys approached them. He said, you know, I tried

492
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: to rob them, and he goes, oh, you want to fight,

493
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: And he literally goes, okay, we're gonna fight. He was

494
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: to take off his jackie because you know, it's expensive jackets,

495
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: so you think he's gonna As he's taking it down

496
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: to here, the two guys look at each other, draw

497
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: their knives and they stabbed in the death right in front.

498
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: Because he was imagining what you're talking about, the male

499
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: locker room, back and forth, the alphae state. These guys

500
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: just do it. That's my exact point. I mean you

501
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: just you made my exact point. Yeah, I mean I

502
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: I started carrying pepper spray in the city because I

503
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: came out of a building in Soho, like Harry, this

504
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: aerossoul and this crazy homeless guy like immediately ran up

505
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: to me and grabbed me, and it clearly like schizophrenic.

506
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: But I've never been like grabbed before, and I was like, man,

507
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do with this guy? And I

508
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: end up getting him off me, but I was like

509
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: it took like, you know, probably forty five seconds, but

510
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: it was still like more than I wanted to kind

511
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: of want to grapple with this this guy. But I

512
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: was like, man, if I just had the if I

513
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: had that pepper spray, I just blastom and walked away.

514
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: He ended up this girl I was dating at the time.

515
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: She tried to like get involved and I was just

516
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: thinking myself, like what are you doing? And he'd started

517
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: chasing her and I had to like go run that down.

518
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: And you had another incident to here that I that

519
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: I used talking about the early early two thousand's actress,

520
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 1: her her boyfriend, and another couple. They're walking home. They

521
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: decided to walk home from a club and lower his side,

522
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: and back then it was a little more dicey to

523
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: do that. So instead of grabbing a cab, they just

524
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: they decided to walk home. About two to three at night,

525
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: they get confronted. Guy pulls out a gun, the other

526
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: guy knocks the knocks the girl down, pulls her purse.

527
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: The actress, who also has a lot of brothers, feel

528
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: she just decides to bone up on him and she

529
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: just gets in there in the guy's face and the

530
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: guy's got holding the gun, and I guess from all

531
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: accounts he had a confused look on his face when

532
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: when she was doing this, and she's like, you know,

533
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: going off, trying to be in alpha, and she was,

534
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Shoot me? And he just

535
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: goes yeah, bum bum and killed her right right then

536
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: and there, you know, on it. And it's a completely

537
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: misunderstanding of what true violence is and what a true

538
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: threat is versus what a social confrontation is, you know.

539
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: And what happens is a lot of people make the

540
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: mistake they live in these worlds where they they operate

541
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: in an inter office environment or whatever their social environment is,

542
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: and you're able to get away with a lot of

543
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: stuff because it's a shared community, and you know everybody

544
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: as soon as you walk out that door, you have

545
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: no idea what the background is. You don't know what

546
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: you're dealing with. And that's where people make a hullable

547
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes. Yeah, I know, I mean, I

548
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: totally agree. It's it's it reminds me of Sear School.

549
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever went to Sear School.

550
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: So it's like sometimes you just have to swallow your

551
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: pride and wait for an opportunity. Right, you can't, you're disadvantaged. Um.

552
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 1: I remember yesterday I'm in y p O and I

553
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: was talking to this gal, Debra, who was an active

554
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: shooting survivor. She been shot four times. She was driving

555
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica. It's like a lady like now it's

556
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: like a venture capitalist and l a like very successful woman.

557
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: She was driving through the Santa Monica neighborhood, rolled up

558
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: and there was like a swat team and this guy

559
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: on the lawn who actually just like shot two people.

560
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: I think family members in the house came out and

561
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: he was like drawing down with the rifle on this

562
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: on this lady next door. She kind of like was

563
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: confused and then put all together like drove in between

564
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: this guy, the shooter and the lady and ended up

565
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: getting shot. He shot the car like twenty times, shot

566
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: her four times, but she survived. But then we I

567
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: was telling her my experience. And this was the summer

568
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: where they had the Paris attacks and a couple of

569
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: attacks in Germany. I was coming back from Europe JFK

570
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: and got off the plane at terminal I think it

571
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: was terminal one. They held us at the gate and said, hey,

572
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: there's a potential shooter in in terminal seven. And We're like, oh,

573
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: this is crazy. So we then they said okay, fifteen

574
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: minutes later were all clear, get through possible control. I

575
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: get through, and I'm waiting for my bag. Now they're

576
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: like the whole places filled up like three or four

577
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: inner people, and all of a sudden, I hear screaming

578
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: and six armed officers run into the baggage area and

579
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: starts yelling at us to run for our lives, that

580
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: there's an active shooter. And it was complete like pandemonium,

581
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, shit, I gotta just like first,

582
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: there was nothing. I felt really helpless because people were panicking, screaming,

583
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: kids were being left behind, those like little barriers are

584
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: being blown over. People ran outside on the tarmac, were

585
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: like blew through the security doors and I was like

586
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: ship man, like, what am I gonna do? I don't

587
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: have anything. I'm gonna go take cover behind this concrete column.

588
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: And I remember looking up at the officer that was

589
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: there with me and she was like shaking with the

590
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: gun and it was clear like, Okay, these guys have

591
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: a they have a plan to deal with the threat

592
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: that they don't know what to deal with the scared passengers,

593
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: like all these panic people. There was no plan to

594
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: deal with that, and we ran outside. I eventually made

595
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: a decision, Okay, I'm that's a safe area, like there's

596
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: a threat coming. And I get outside and I'm talking

597
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: to one of the officers. I'm like, hey, what's going

598
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: down and texting my friends and he was like, hey,

599
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: we don't know. There's a shooter and there reported there's

600
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: there might be a couple. He's like, can you help

601
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: me get these people back inside. I'm like, dude, that's

602
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: the worst thing we can do right now. It's like

603
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: you have no idea? What Like yeah, totally. I was like,

604
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna put these people back inside? At least here

605
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: they have options, they could run and get away these

606
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: This little Jewish girl overheard me and she's like, I'm

607
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: going with you. And so I end up taking six

608
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: passengers underneath the airport at JFK, where they kind of

609
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: load the bags on the cambtor belt up up into

610
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: the airport underneath around the fence, and I remember seeing

611
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: like all the taxis and ubers just kind of stopped,

612
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: like looking like what the hell is going on? Because

613
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: everybody knew something was up. And I'm like realized, I

614
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: mean a black polo, black pants and I have my

615
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: black back and I got these people and I'm like

616
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: throwing my jacket over the barbed wires so they could

617
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: they could climb, and the lady like she's like no, no, no,

618
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: you have to go first. And how so I go

619
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: over and I see this fucking jersey guy running at me.

620
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: I could just tell like this guy and he was

621
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: like thinking, I'm like some terrorists. Yeah, He's like shoot,

622
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: I got one, and I'm like no, no, no, like

623
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: we're helping these people. And so he ended up helping us,

624
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: and we gotten capped us and we need to get

625
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: the hell out of here because they're gonna shut the

626
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: roads down, They're gonna close this place down. It turned

627
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: out somebody had phoned it in a hoax terminal one,

628
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: in terminal seven, a combination between that it was one

629
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: that Ude Hussein won that race. So you had people

630
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: yelling and cheering, an officer a deed at an accidental discharge,

631
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: and it kicked off complete panic. But I had never

632
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: experienced anything like in my life. I was blown away.

633
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: And I've been through multiple hooded box drills Dwayne Deeter's course,

634
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: like and you know, I think it It was just

635
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: like it was so out of my control. So I

636
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: really try and avoid busy times on the subway because

637
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to get caught up and that

638
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: mass crowd, like panicked crowd, because you can't do anything.

639
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: You're just like you get trampled, like I saw kids

640
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: getting trampled. So it was really terrifying. But I wrote

641
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: an article about it because I said, look, there's there's

642
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: things that you can do. For instance, looking at the

643
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: Paris attack, right like some people just tipped the table over,

644
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: close their eyes and we're just like praying for it

645
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: to go away, and getting shot through these wooden tables

646
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: because they don't understand the difference between cover and concealment.

647
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: And the thing is you've got to get off the

648
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: X right, like you have to get put distance between

649
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: yourself and the threat. And it just looks if you

650
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: live in a major metropolitan city anywhere in the world today,

651
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: you're at risk, like we have this unfortunately, you know,

652
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: terrorism is a real thing. So I'm glad guys like

653
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: you were are putting out the training and this book

654
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: like when violence is the answer because people need to

655
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: be a little bit better prepared and it it save

656
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, in in Deborah's situation, she was bullied as

657
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: a kid and was you know, took karate and self

658
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: defense was just like the anti bully in her took over.

659
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: She said, But we need more people like that in

660
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: the world. And I'm shocked that this UK thing is

661
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: just it's just silly to me that kidding banned from

662
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: entering the UK. We're literally today we we actually sent

663
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: it off. I've been invited by Parliament. I have a

664
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: lot of Ministers of Parliament that actually we're very supportive

665
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: and they've invited me to come speak to the House

666
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: of Parliament. So we're putting this big push to bringing

667
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: back because since just last year, I think there's forty

668
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: one thousand knife attacks in UK, which was insane. I

669
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: went to school that you I did University of London

670
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: London School Economics for a year in the eighties. It

671
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: was the safest place. And what was interesting was the

672
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: difference back then was he had the same diversity that

673
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: London has always had. But what was interesting was if

674
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: you talk to Pakistani store owner back then, he was

675
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: crowd to be part of the UK. He wanted to assimilate,

676
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: He wanted his family to assimilate. I noticed when I

677
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: kept going to London, you know, during those years in

678
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: the early two thousands before I got banned, I just

679
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: noticed this this polarization that we're seeing where people would

680
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: literally section off you. Weren't you, didn't weren't me to

681
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: feel welcome in certain parts of a town. It was bad.

682
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how bad it was getting. The problem

683
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: is you've got people that don't understand violence, and they

684
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: don't understand that, and you you have an influx of

685
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: cultures that they literally looked around at the UK and

686
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: they said, wait a minute, you guys don't use guns.

687
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: And you don't use knives because they tell you you

688
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: can't get they're readily available. We're gonna start using them.

689
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: And it just shocked everybody and what really became a

690
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: problem over there, And this is what I talked to.

691
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: To the point is I made a comment after the

692
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: riots in two thousand and twelve, two thousand eleven. It

693
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: was the idea that I go, this is a great

694
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: opportunity for the UK to look at their self defense

695
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: laws and redefine them, because prior to ninety they had

696
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: amazing self defense laws, fantastic ones. And the fifties there

697
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: were some well meaning reasons why they changed the self

698
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: defense law. They had some problems with gangs using excuses,

699
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: and they came in with the kind of draconian self

700
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: defense laws that basically said the only people that can

701
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: take action are you trained officers. And then if you

702
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: take action, even if it even something that's ridiculously justified,

703
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: you're going to be culpable for that. So so people

704
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: just hands off. It's backfired on them big time. I mean,

705
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: we had that a little bit in America, right like,

706
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: not necessarily in self defense, but even that that's why

707
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: they passed that good Samaritan law. Right we were the

708
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: US is so litigious, it's like a big whole another

709
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: topic I could talk about. Just like you people slip,

710
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: you know, by their own fault, or bump their head

711
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: at a restaurant, and they're suing the owner righte and

712
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: and it's like these people who are trying to give

713
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: CPR and and family was suing them. Oh you killed

714
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: my you know, my parents or whatever, so they passed.

715
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: I get Samaritan law. But I feel like that, yeah,

716
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: it should be something similar. Right well, I tell people

717
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: the time ago. The reason that US is able to

718
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: entertain a lot of the positions that we take, I'll

719
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: just say it that way all over the place is

720
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: because we are so good at violence, meaning we have

721
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: a very powerful military, were we are in protected shores,

722
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: and we have the luxury playing games that other countries don't.

723
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: And I notice that, you know, That's why I highly

724
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: encourage people to travel. My kids are going to travel,

725
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: because when you get outside the US, it's interesting, like

726
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: Western Europe and Western and the United States. When I

727
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: give seminars, I spend a good portion of the time

728
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: conditioning people and handling the legal questions. You know, they

729
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: don't understand that when when I talk about something, I

730
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: talk about a threat. You know, the conditions for our

731
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: training or this. We assume multiple attackers. We assume they're

732
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: all bigger, faster, and stronger, and we assume weapons. We

733
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: also assume that the threat that we're talking about is

734
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: your devoid of choice, meaning if you don't take action,

735
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: you're facing grievous bodily harm. Had you an exit, if

736
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: you could have talked your way out of it, you

737
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: already would would have done that. So we're very clear

738
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: on our parameters, to the point that if you have

739
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: a firearm, you would feel justified emptying it into the threat.

740
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: So it's it's a very high standard easy for people

741
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: to understand. Even when you put that down, you'll still

742
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: get some you know what about the reality of this

743
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: that you go into other countries. I go to India,

744
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: I go to South America, I go there are questions

745
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: that we wait, where in the body do you want?

746
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: They want? They have no problem, They understand when violence

747
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: is appropriate, and they just want to make sure they

748
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: have good information. It's interesting, I don't unintended consequences. So

749
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: we stopped training our police officers to use the injury

750
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: with batons. Now, my grandfather's, my my my great uncles

751
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: were Boston cops and I remember sitting around them just

752
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: telling stories and just laughing when a guy would pull

753
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: a knife because they just pull out their stick. They

754
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: go up, they break his wrist and they're they're very

755
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: comfortable and very competent on that. And yes they broke

756
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: the guy's wrist. He hadn't injury and had to be healed,

757
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: but he wasn't shot. Today we default to lethal action.

758
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: We shoot people things because we won't train people, because

759
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: we don't want to deal. We don't have attorneys that

760
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: the district attorneys that can properly explain the efficacy of injury.

761
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: It is a lack of training. And even I'm shocked.

762
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: In New York City at m IP, only supervisors can

763
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: carry and carry non lethal. Yeah, they're like the last

764
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: person that needs the non lethal Like you got to

765
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: give these like the beat cops, the non lethal option

766
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: because the only other option is to pull a gun.

767
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: Like it's just crazy. Yeah, and it's it's funny. My

768
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: wife is a captain with Las Vegas Metro. She just

769
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: got back from Israel. She did attend a counter terrorism.

770
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: They take her all throughout the country and she meets everybody.

771
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: She came back, she has MATT, she goes. Their average

772
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: response time for any instant, any terroristm is under two minutes.

773
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: And there's a smaller country, and they've been they've dealing

774
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: it for one times. And well, the reason the jihadis

775
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: switched over to UH suicide bombing was because the citizen

776
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: has got so good at swarming shooters. And I do

777
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: I do an exercise in my training where I take

778
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: everybody really calm, really calmly through a situation where they

779
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: try to an active shooter comes in and we just

780
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: go step by step by step and their job, their

781
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: first job is just to try to get to the

782
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: exit on the other side of the room. You know,

783
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: as they're doing that, this this guy goes through and

784
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: I do about twelve steps, he's able to get a

785
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: shot off on each step. At least twelve people dropped.

786
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: They may not be dead, but they're shot. We then

787
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: reverse it and the only thing I have them do

788
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: is instead of step away from the shooter towards an exit,

789
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: I have them step towards the shooter. Within two steps,

790
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: somebody has a hand on the shooter and it's just

791
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: an education process because I think a lot of times

792
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: when they do active shooters training, especially for civilians, they

793
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: just scare the hell out of them. They don't really

794
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: give them good information. And the one thing I learned,

795
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you had this experience when

796
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: you went through training, the one thing that always stuck

797
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: with me from BUDS was first phase, you just get psychotic,

798
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: freaking instructors there. There's destroy you know, and you realize

799
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: they were able to do that because you really can

800
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: only hurt yourself during that time. You really can't. You

801
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: can't hurt one of your other partners. But not as

802
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: bad as soon as we went out. Second phase for

803
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: me was weapons and explosives. We're out the island band,

804
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: those same crazy instructors were like calm, you know, direct

805
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: and want to make sure you got the information. What

806
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: I learned was any time I learned anything lethal, it

807
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: was always delivered in a calm, deliberate manner, and that's

808
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: where I wanted to install it. And I think that's

809
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: probably one of the biggest problems when we deal with

810
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: training people to deal with violence. I think oftentimes we

811
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: go for pressure testing way too early. You have to

812
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: lay the foundation, you know, and and once you understand violence,

813
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't you don't have to become some super ninja

814
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: or anything. But when you understand how violence works and

815
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: how it operates, you can create a life that minimizes

816
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: the chance of it ever end in your life. That's

817
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: why it's worth studying the subject, you know, yeah, instead

818
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: of ignoring it. So the last question I want to

819
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: ask you was just can you share like a like

820
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: a real world experience that that stands out in your

821
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: mind where you've actually had to apply apply your training.

822
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: Can you share that you have had to use it? Yeah,

823
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: probably Venezuela. When I was working in Venezuela, it was

824
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: the first time I really dealt in a world that

825
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: was just just crazy. And this is pretty shaves. I mean,

826
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: people think you know Venezuela then as one has had

827
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: a problems for a long time. We went down there

828
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: and back when we trained groups, we trained them to

829
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: uh you know, they were they were trained as counter

830
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: It was law Enford had everything had to be under

831
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: law enforcement deal and you had to get approved by

832
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: state department and so we did. We knew these guys

833
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: we were training were not law enforcement when you knew

834
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: they were out. They were just hunters and they were

835
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: going out because they had a problem with a lot

836
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: of narcos and stuff. So we trained guys. They were

837
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: of the mind that they like to test things out

838
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: and they'd like to see where you're at. And I

839
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: remember sitting in a car one time and the guy

840
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: just the gun was on me. All of a sudden,

841
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: this is one of the guys I'm training with, and

842
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: he was there and it was loaded, the whole thing,

843
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: and I just you know, where it was. It was

844
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: easy for me to just redirect the doctor, turn right

845
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: into him. I just jammed him in the throat. Then

846
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: his senior, the senior guy, he just he had told

847
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: the guy to do this because he just wanted to

848
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: see what I could do, you know, And to me,

849
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: it was it was just crazy. Then I find out

850
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: everything we taught them on injury the human body. They

851
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: kept coming back to us the next day and they go,

852
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: that works really well, and I'm going, you know, and

853
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: we didn't think too much. And finally I go, he

854
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: said something about one of the strikes, and I said,

855
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Speaker 1: what do you mean? It worked? Really? It was Oh,

856
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: every night after we've done training with you. They go

857
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: down to that famous prison, they pull out some guys

858
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: that are on death row, and they just did it

859
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: to him. They just wanted to make sure, they wanted

860
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Speaker 1: to validate that the information we were giving them was

861
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: actually true. And just working in that world. And when

862
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Speaker 1: you when you work in that world and you operate

863
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: in that world, you understand and that you have to

864
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: be highly attuned to violence, into the potentiality for violence,

865
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: and you have to deal with it in a calm way,

866
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, like I could care less that the guy

867
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Speaker 1: was testing me. I didn't know he's testing me. I thought,

868
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Speaker 1: you know, it's been as well. I thought it could

869
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Speaker 1: be the Yeah, they're just sick of the gringo. They're

870
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Speaker 1: gonna take them out. There have been other times I've

871
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: had to use the information like a criminal criminal applications

872
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: and stuff where it was if anything, it was disappointing

873
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: because you never get to do you know, the highest

874
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: level of your training. It's usually very basic strikes that

875
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: get you out of it. But what's funny is the

876
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Speaker 1: more you train. The one thing I will tell people,

877
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: the more you train, the more you see profiles, the

878
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: less it throws you off. If you know, if I

879
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: see a knife, it's probably the ten thousand time I've

880
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: seen a knife come at me or something which conditions

881
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: you and trains you to where that's not a surprise anymore,

882
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: and you deal with it. And what's funny is what

883
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: you try to tell people is the most highly trained

884
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: people that I know in lethal application, you know that

885
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: are not criminals, are the calmest, great sense of the humor,

886
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: love life. Most of them you would never know, you know,

887
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: if you interact with them. And those are the guys

888
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: always admired, And those are the guys I always wanted

889
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: to be, like just this quiet confidence of they know, hey,

890
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm trained, I understand, but until something happens, I'm going

891
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: to enjoy my life. I'm gonna have a great life.

892
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, and to me, that's the last thing I

893
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: want to come off as to anybody is a badass,

894
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, because that puts you way behind the power curve. Yeah. Yeah,

895
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: I mean my own kids took jiu jitsu for you,

896
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, four years, but it was just uh, you know,

897
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: I remember what it did for their self confidence. You know,

898
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: they just carry themselves a little bit more confident and

899
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: a lot of times, that's that's all you need. Like

900
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: I remember my oldest son, Hunter was a freshman and

901
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: he he was wearing one of my Seal shirts. I

902
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: gave him like a Seal Team three shirt, and one

903
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: of the seniors came up to him and gave him

904
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: ship and he just looked at the guy with confidence

905
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: like hey, that's that's looked him right in the eyes like, yeah,

906
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: that's my dad. My dad was a Seal. And it

907
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: was just like, you know how having a little bit

908
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: of confidence just kind of diffuse the situation. Yeah, because

909
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: a lot of times people, uh, they're gonna socially test you,

910
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: but they don't understand what the repercussions of tuning that are.

911
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying when you do something wrong, person,

912
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: Like I laugh all the time. You know, I still

913
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm in my early fifties, but I

914
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: I still have a physical presence. I'm there. And people

915
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: will say to me, well, yeah, you have this, you know,

916
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: you have that look. You know, I have some tattoons

917
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And I laughed again, and I

918
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: laugh at people all the time. I go, I go, yeah,

919
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: this works, this presence works. On everybody I don't care about.

920
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, if this is enough to intimidate, you're not

921
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: my threat. You know, I know who I'm looking for,

922
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: and the scariest guys I know they're probably anywhere from like,

923
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, five six to five nine hundred forty five

924
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: to maybe a hundred seventy pounds into script. If I

925
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: see those guys rolling in with their you know, a

926
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: couple of Duffel bags, I'm out of there. I know,

927
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: I know it's about to go down. You know, it's

928
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: just very funny. Violence is a very different tool, and

929
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: I didn't like. I went into the prison systems and

930
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: I was able to talk to a lot of top corrections,

931
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: guys that interviewed Arian Brotherhood, Black Grill of family in

932
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: Mexican mafia, and you learned that these guys look at violence.

933
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: Violence is currency for them. They look at it as

934
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: a tool, and they're they're all results oriented. And I've

935
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: been able to take that information and you sit there

936
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: and go, yeah, it's coming from the worst part of society. Yes,

937
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: and that's where the best information comes. I just have

938
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: to sanitize it for the general public. But I can

939
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: put you on par with the worst of the predators

940
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: on how they use the tool. And that's the goal,

941
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: you know, Um, it should be available to everybody. What

942
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: people don't understand it's how you use the information. Like

943
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: this show Mine Hunters, right, it's a great, great show.

944
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: But they said, look, we're we're so outdated in the

945
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: way we're trying to solve these cases. We have to

946
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: get into the mind of these serial killers to understand

947
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: and develop, you know, actics to deal with this, better

948
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: investigate these crimes and profile But yeah, I know it's great.

949
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: I'd love to have you back on the show. I

950
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: mean I could go another hour with you. But the

951
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: book is when Violence is the Answer Learning how to

952
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 1: do what it takes when your life is at stake

953
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: by Tim Larkin. And where can people find you online?

954
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: They can get me um probably probably if they go

955
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: to Survive Violence dot com. I got a whole free program,

956
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: thank you check out. It's really easy for them to

957
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: remember that. Yeah, and then the Violence is the Answer

958
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Speaker 1: to the book you can get on Amazon. I got

959
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: audible at anything. And then you're on Instagram, I follow

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00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: you this one. T F t uh Tim Larkin, Okay,

961
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Speaker 1: t F t Tim Larkin or Tim markin t F T,

962
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Speaker 1: so I just typed in Tim Larkin and found you'll

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Speaker 1: find me all right. Then a couple of things before

964
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Speaker 1: I check off again, I have to have you back

965
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: on the show. I'd love to get more into kind

966
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: of some practical tips for for the audience. Um, I

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Speaker 1: just had a couple of things. We're doing a lifetime

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Speaker 1: and we're giving away a lifetime membership. Those that are

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Speaker 1: We're giving away a custom Shane Hyatt knife. Shane will

976
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: make a custom knife just for you to enter. Just

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Speaker 1: at softwp dot com and just put knife in the

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Speaker 1: subject line. And Shane is a good friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: Him known for years. He was silting three golf platoon

981
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: with me. Just really passionate about making knives. He doesn't

982
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: make a lot of them. I tried, was telling him earlier,

983
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: try to get him to make some custom knives for

984
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: our premium Craig Club members. And he's like, I don't

985
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: want to make that many knives. I want to travel.

986
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna impede. I'm like, when you're trying

987
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: to make a business out of this, He's like, well, yeah,

988
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: but not. I don't want to grow with that big

989
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: it's just this funny color. It's gonna slow me down. Yeah.

990
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't want it to slow me down,

991
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: which is funny. But anyway, Custom knife Machine, Hyatt. And

992
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: that's it. It really enjoyed having you on the show, Tim,

993
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: and thanks so much for having you. Appreciate him. We'll

994
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Speaker 1: have you back back for sure. Guys out here, you've

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