1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: One of the games of the year tonight Rams at 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: the Seahawks. We're live on a Thursday, Greg Cosell an 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: hour from now. It's The Herd wherever you may be, 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part 14 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: of your day. College football playoffs starts Friday. Joe Klatt Today, 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: Todd mcshae on the very real, very real reality for 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: the New York Giants. They'll have the number one pick 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: and may have to decide between Jack and Dart and 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza. You know what side I'm on. I want 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: to I want to start the show with. This is 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: h J McK and I front and center. Every day 21 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: we put our face on our opinions and the Internet 22 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: is mostly about Captain Hindsights afg's after the fact geniuses. 23 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: Everybody's so smart after the fact. But I want to 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: talk about Rams Seahawks. I want you to think about 25 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: this because it feels so obvious. What I'm going to 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,639 Speaker 1: say right now feel so obvious. I mean, you guys 27 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: knew it would work. The Rams had a Pro Bowl 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: quarterback in Jared Goff who'd been to a Super Bowl, 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: just entering his prime, and Sean McVay said, you know, 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give up two first round picks. I'm gonna 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: pay Jared Goff salary and the new guys salary, and 32 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: i want Matt Stafford with a losing record in Detroit, 33 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: who in twelve years had never won a playoff game, 34 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: had only made it three times and was zero to three. 35 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna let you look at the numbers of 36 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. They're totally unremarkable. And that's with the second 37 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: greatest receiving talent I've ever seen, behind Randy moss In 38 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson. So he had the ultimate number one receiver. 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: He was seventy four and ninety completed sixty two percent 40 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: of his throws, his passer rating in the eighties, and 41 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: did not have a two to one touchdown to interception 42 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: ratio with Calvin Johnson and Sean McVay is like, yeah, 43 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay his salary. I'm gonna pay Jared Goff salary. 44 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: Stafford's haid that you know what beat out of him 45 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: for twelve years, never won a playoff game. Goff just 46 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: made the Super Bowl. Let's pull a trigger on that. 47 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: That is a big front and center swing by Les 48 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: Snead and Sean McVay. And it's the kind of move 49 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: first year in I mean, Stafford still led the NFL 50 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: and interceptions. He and McVay were trying to figure it 51 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: out as the season was going on. So it's easy 52 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: now to go, I knew this thing would be money, dude. 53 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: It never won a playoff game. Average quarterbacks in average 54 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: franchises in twelve years will win a playoff game. And 55 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: it's the same with John Snyder the Seattle GM. Pete 56 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: Carroll very popular in Seattle, two Super bowls, had a 57 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: trophy beloved, had just had another winning season, and John 58 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: Snyder fired him off a winning season. The most popular 59 00:03:54,640 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: coach or manager in Seattle maybe ever fired him and 60 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: John Snyder also with Sam Darnald irrupting in those games. 61 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: Remember against the Rams and against the Lions. Everybody was like, 62 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: that's who Donald is. Oh, that's who Sammy is. Stay away, 63 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: and Snyder goes, no, I'm gonna pay him pretty good money. 64 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna go with Sam Darnald. So the Stafford move 65 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: looks brilliant today. You thought he was gonna at this age. 66 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: What is he thirty seven? This is what it was 67 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: gonna look like after getting that. You know what kicked 68 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 1: out of him in Detroit seventy four and ninety twelve 69 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: years no play, I'm gonna pay for golf and Stafford 70 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: and to first fixed golf was really good. I saw 71 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: golf go toe to toe in La and beat Mahomes. 72 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: Remember that game Coliseum. So that's a lot more courage 73 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: front and center. No Troll, not anonymous right out in 74 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: front and John Snyder. Pete Carroll was beloved in Seattle. 75 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: People moved on from Russell Wilson and then moved on 76 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: from Pete. Fired him. Seattle gets better, and not only 77 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: does he fire Pete Carroll off winning season, he hires 78 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 1: another defensive coordinator, Mike McDonald. You would think you'd be like, Okay, 79 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: the old defensive guy. League's pivoting offense. John, you got 80 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: to get an offensive guy. He's like, no, I'm gonna 81 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: go defense again. And I think tonight Sean McVay is 82 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: arguably the best coach in the league. And I think 83 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: Mike McDonald is the defensive Sean McVay. But this game 84 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: tonight is about big swings, doing unpopular things. Things people 85 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: scratch their head on. Acquiring turnover prone Sam Donald, hiring 86 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: another defensive coach, firing Pete of a winning season. You're 87 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: gonna pay for Stafford and golf twelve years, no playoff wins, 88 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: zero to three, Fortune favors the bold. I know who 89 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: wins to night, but I know Matt Stafford at his age. 90 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: These Thursday night games are tough. 91 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: Physically, I mean, I think that's the most difficult part, 92 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: especially this late in the season. You know, going into 93 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: our what is it, our fifteenth game, will be playing 94 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: and you got fourteen under the belt, and then trying 95 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 3: to turn around and play in a couple of days 96 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 3: is tough, especially for somebody as old as I am. 97 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: So that's that's the biggest thing. Obviously, got a great 98 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 3: opponent that we're playing in a tough environment as well. 99 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: That not to be discounted, but for personally, for me, 100 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 3: it's it's physically it's probably the toughest part. 101 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: Two great rosters, great coaches and great gms too. So 102 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. They are estimating now in quotations ballpark rehab 103 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: is going to take nine months. He'll be back sometime 104 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: in September to play again. The league is better with Mahomes. 105 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: He's one of the all time talents. But I was 106 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: thinking about this this morning taking the train into work. 107 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: That's who I am, a rugged sportscaster. So when Tom 108 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: Brady was in his prime, it almost ticked me off 109 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: that the minute another quarterback who was elite had a 110 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: great year or year and a half run, they were 111 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: better than Brady. Remember when Aaron Rodgers wins the Super 112 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: Bowl in twenty ten, twenty eleven, he's the MVP, and 113 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: suddenly there was a chorus of fans and media saying 114 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: Aaron's better. And I'm like, Brady's got three Super Bowls 115 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: in counting and two MVP. What are you talking about now? 116 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: Aaron is the man? 117 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 4: Okay, I don't agree with that. 118 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: And then when Peyton Manning when he won the Super 119 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: Bowl in Denver and was named the MVP. Remember that 120 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: year he beat Brady in the playoffs twenty fifteen, and 121 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: I love Peyton Manning top five quarterback. Ever, everybody was like, 122 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: he's got Tommy's number. He you know what, let's be 123 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: honest about it. He changed the league, not Brady. I'm like, 124 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: Brady's got four Super Bowls and counting. Because Tom's stylistically, 125 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: it was harder to fall in love with. Even Belichick 126 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: had a crush on second round pick Jimmy Garoppolo for 127 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: about two three years. I remember reading an article by 128 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: or a book by Seth Wickersham, great writer, and there 129 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: were anonymous sources in the building saying, well, it's a 130 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: lot of system. It's the system. You know, a lot 131 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: of guys could win here in Foxborough. It wasn't until 132 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: Brady went to Tampa with the five hundred Buccaneers won 133 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: a title with Arians that everybody finally acknowledged that day, 134 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: as he's drinking margaritas and almost through the trophy in 135 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: the pond, everybody went, yeah, it was Tommy, not Belichick. 136 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: And so I do think style drives the NBA discussion, 137 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: but it matters in the NFL. 138 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 4: Too. 139 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: Aaron looks cooler. Elway was always better than Marino, but 140 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: Marino looked cooler. And Patrick Mahomes, He's got it cool. 141 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: And that's why we have so much reluctance to acknowledge 142 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: the clear and absolute truth the last two years, Mahomes 143 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: is not even in Josh Allen's league. It ain't close. 144 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: Josh is bigger and stronger. I'll throw the numbers on 145 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: the screen if you go to passer rating in the 146 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: second half and overtime. In the last two years, Allen's 147 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: number two, Mahomes is twenty fourth. And by the way, 148 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: Mahomes has better receiving targets. The Bills receiver stink. They 149 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: play in worse weather, believe it or not, than Kansas City. 150 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: They have a defensive coach, not Andy Reid. The last 151 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: two years. One guy is significantly bigger, stronger, more productive 152 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: than the other. But we like Mahomes and we like Aaron, 153 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: and we love Marino. It looks cool, and cool matters 154 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: a lot in basketball's culture, not nearly as much in 155 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: the football culture. But Josh Allen's pretty cool too, and 156 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: Brady stacking trophies that's pretty pretty cool too. I just 157 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: appreciate that Sean McDermott, a defensive guy with a smile 158 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: on his face, realizes what he has. 159 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 5: I want to pull up the family scrapbook and we 160 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 5: can just sit down and kind of koumbaya and just 161 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 5: pay through every one of Josh's days in the journey here. 162 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 5: Some of the things he's done are unprecedented in terms 163 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 5: of what a quarterback has been able to accomplish over 164 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 5: the years, and the ways he's done it, and the 165 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 5: way he and most importantly right now is leading our 166 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 5: football team. 167 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: And I know some of you will say, Colin, the 168 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: reason we're reluctant is all those trophies. Exactly the reason 169 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: that it used to drive me nuts that people wouldn't 170 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: give Brady as flowers because he had all the trophies too, 171 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: And you were more than willing to say, Aaron's it, 172 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: Peyton's the guy, so don't give me the trophy argument. 173 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: You never use that with Brady because Brady didn't play 174 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: a cool football. But he's the best snap quarterback arguably ever, 175 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: the best post snap quarterback ever, the best cold weather 176 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: thrower ever, the smartest quarterback ever, the best clutch quarterback ever. 177 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: Right now, the best football player in the world is 178 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: in Buffalo and it's not particularly close. A lot of 179 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: stuff today, Greg Cosel, Joel Klatt. I think I've switched 180 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: my pick. I think I like Oklahoma over Alabama. I 181 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: know I've gone back and forth on that puppy. 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When you watch the offense with somebody with 201 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: four and a half decades of experience of watching all 202 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: times of offense from the ugly tush push to Mike Martz, 203 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: give me, when you watch the Rams, is there a prototype? 204 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: Have you seen it before? What do you make of 205 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: the offense? 206 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: I think when you watch the Rams? What really struck me? 207 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 8: And I don't recall seeing something as dramatic as this 208 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 8: colin From weeks one through six this season, they did 209 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 8: not play one snap with three tight ends on the field. 210 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 4: Beginning Week seven. 211 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 8: Until now, forty one percent of their offensive snaps have 212 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 8: had three tight ends on the field. Now, one game 213 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 8: where they didn't play a lot of it was against 214 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 8: Seattle Week eleven with Devonte Adams out. I would imagine 215 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 8: they will play with three tight ends a very good 216 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 8: percentage of the time. 217 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 4: And I'm not going to sit here and recite numbers, 218 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 4: but just believe me. 219 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,359 Speaker 8: They have been so good out of three tight end personnel, 220 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 8: not just running the ball as one might expect, but 221 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 8: passing the ball. The last two games, the last two 222 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 8: games Dallas and Detroit with their opponents just out of 223 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 8: three tight ends, they've gained close to seven hundred yards. 224 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 4: Think about that for a minute. 225 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 8: They've gained close to seven hundred yards in the last 226 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 8: two games and scored eight touchdowns just out of three 227 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 8: tight ends. And what they normally get is a base defense, 228 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 8: although with Seattle they pretty much played big nickel on 229 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 8: every snap, because one could make the argument that Nicki 230 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 8: Minuari is the most important player on the Seahawks defense 231 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 8: because of what he can do, and again, he predominantly 232 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 8: alignes at the second level. But he's a really, really 233 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 8: good player in Seattle's defense. 234 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 4: They're a fun watch. 235 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: By the way. Let's touch on Seattle's offense. What's wrong 236 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: with the Seahawks run game? 237 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 8: Yeah, they have really struggled to run the ball. I 238 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 8: think their old line has had a hard time. I 239 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 8: think it's a bad mix. I think it's an old 240 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 8: line that hasn't played well and it's a back in 241 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 8: Kenneth Walker, who to me, the way I always thought 242 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 8: about him, even watching him in college, is he's more 243 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 8: jazz musician than classical pianists. In other words, he's looking 244 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 8: to improvise. He's not someone who hits it up and 245 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 8: gets the hard yards where three yards or four yards 246 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 8: becomes really important in an offense as opposed to looking 247 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 8: for that note, that outside note and then he deeans 248 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 8: one yard or loses two yards. So it's a bad 249 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 8: marriage of an old line not playing particularly well. And 250 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 8: I think Walker is a guy that just needs to 251 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 8: hit it up in there. And I think that's one 252 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 8: reason they play sharbon A as much as they do, 253 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 8: because Charbone obviously does not have a lot of juice, 254 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 8: but at least he gets downhill. 255 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: I want to go Bears Packers. You know, Chicago's run game. 256 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: They went and got Dolman Toney and Jonah Jackson and 257 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: I said that, I said this last hour. It's not 258 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: that they run it well, it's that there are often 259 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: holes that are substantial that jump off the television where 260 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: you I mean, like not Crevice's there's gaps. Yeah, when 261 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: you watch the film. Does the Bears run game get 262 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: enough credit? 263 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 4: No? 264 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 8: Because we talk about Caleb every week and that's fine 265 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 8: because he makes special plays. But they're the second best 266 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 8: running team in the National Football League. Only two teams 267 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 8: average over one hundred and fifty yards rushing, the Bills 268 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 8: and the Bears. And what I love with Ben Johnson 269 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 8: and I don't think he gets enough credit for it either. 270 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 8: Is his use of tight ends in the run game 271 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 8: and his use of pre snap movement in the run game. 272 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 8: It almost reminds me, and you'll know exactly who I'm 273 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 8: talking about. Maybe some listening won't, but it almost reminds 274 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 8: me going back a long time to Joe Gibbs with 275 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 8: the Washington Redskins with the use of motion in the 276 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,359 Speaker 8: run game, because what it does is it changes run support, 277 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 8: so it changes angles, it changes leverage, and it benefits 278 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 8: you mightily in the run game. 279 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 4: And you can just go back to. 280 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 8: That game a few weeks ago against the Eagles when 281 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 8: they did that exceptionally well. But their use of tight 282 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 8: ends in the run game is as good as any 283 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 8: team in the league. 284 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: Michael Parsons out for the year. 285 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 4: Punitive. 286 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: How punitive is that for the Packers defense going forward? 287 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's going to be interesting this week. I guess 288 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 8: that's a Saturday night game, and that's going to be 289 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 8: interesting to see how that plays out. Because what Jeff 290 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 8: Hapley and I think he's done an unbelievable job. He's 291 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 8: predominantly a four man D line rush guy, and what 292 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 8: he does really well is changed the picture on the 293 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 8: back end pre snap to post snap. So the question 294 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 8: is that we don't know the answer till we see it. 295 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 8: Colin is does he rush five? You know a few 296 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 8: more times than that he might normally because he doesn't 297 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 8: have that one guy in Parsons who can win from 298 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 8: multiple locations in the defensive front. 299 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 4: Now it's a more traditional front. 300 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 8: Now he has to rely on guys like Lucas van 301 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 8: ness eg Nabari Gary. 302 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 4: Guys like the gain. Gary's a good player, by the way, 303 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 4: but guys like. 304 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 8: That to be able to win one on one matchups, 305 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 8: I think they'll stunt a lot. They've always been a 306 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 8: high percentage stunting team to try to create confusion and protection. 307 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 8: But the question, and we won't know the answer, is 308 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 8: will he rush five a higher percentage of the time? 309 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: All right, a team right now that you know Listen, 310 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: I think there's a big chunk of America, myself included, 311 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: that would like to see the Buffalo Bills finally win 312 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. There's so many things about the people, 313 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: the culture, Josh Allen. They don't have much of a 314 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: vertical threat. They're very tight end centric. Maybe Ed Oliver 315 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: coming back helps the defense I always feel like, and 316 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: I felt this at various times for the last six 317 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: or seven years, they just rely way too much on 318 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. But then I think to myself, well, if 319 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: you have it, use it. I mean, I guess when 320 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: you watch there their offense, do you feel like sometimes 321 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: they just wait for Josh to save them. 322 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 8: I don't think that's true, and I think that, you know, 323 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 8: the numbers bear that out. And because every time I 324 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 8: watch them play, they get to the second half of games, 325 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 8: and we know they've been trailing at times at halftime 326 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 8: this year. You know, they come out in the third 327 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 8: quarter almost every week and they run the ball. That's 328 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 8: how they stabilize their offense. You might be surprised to 329 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 8: know that the running back that has the most second 330 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 8: half rushes in the NFL is James Cook. This is 331 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 8: not a team that just relies on Josh Allen. It's 332 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 8: just that he makes special plays and is capable of it. 333 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 8: So it appears that way, and he certainly has games 334 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 8: where he like a six touchdown game, But it's not 335 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 8: just Josh Allen and nothing else. On offense, They've got 336 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 8: probably a top three offensive line in the league. 337 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 4: They run the ball exceptionally well. 338 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 8: As I said, Cook has the most second half carries 339 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 8: of any back in the league. 340 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 4: And you'll look at last week's game. 341 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 8: I thought their defensive coaching staff did an outstanding job 342 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 8: because they changed up some things in the second half 343 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 8: and they caused Drake May to be a little hesitant 344 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 8: and to not see things as clearly as he did 345 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 8: in the first half, and he has for most of 346 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 8: the season. So, yes, we focus on Josh and deservedly so. 347 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 8: I mean, you and I probably both agree we may 348 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 8: have never seen a quarterback that's more physically gifted than 349 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 8: Josh Allen. 350 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 4: But it's not just him. The way they play. 351 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: There's a team in the league that's actually very good, 352 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: but all of us, myself included, are just not going 353 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: to embrace them until I see it. And that's Jacksonville. 354 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: And they go to Denver. Now, now Denver's played a 355 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: tough schedule. Jacksonville's played you a little softer schedule years. 356 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: You know, I loved Trevor Lawrence out of college, and 357 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: after about three or four years, I'm like, he turns 358 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: it over too much, he gets lured into bad picks. Well, 359 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: this team can run, they can stop the run. You 360 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: tell me this offense for Jacksonville is it for real? 361 00:19:58,840 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? 362 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 8: Well, it's funny because last five weeks and they've won 363 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 8: five in a row. Trevor Lawrence has the most touchdown 364 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 8: passes of any quarterback in the last five weeks. And 365 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 8: I would say because I watch them every week, because 366 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 8: I like you. Trevor Lawrence is a guy that always 367 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 8: fascinated me, even going back to Clemson. You can see 368 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 8: a difference in the way he's been playing the last 369 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 8: five weeks, and I'm sure it's a comfort level. 370 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 4: In Liam Cohen's offense. 371 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 8: One of the things you look for with a quarterback 372 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 8: is he decisive with his reads and his throws. Because 373 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 8: quarterbacks that are decisive that means in their mind they're 374 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 8: seeing it with clarity. 375 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 4: Does that mean every throw is great, No, But in 376 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 4: their mind they're seeing it. 377 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 8: With clarity because the ball's coming out within timing and 378 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 8: structure and rhythm. And he has played like that the 379 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 8: last five weeks. And one of the things that really 380 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 8: stands out on film is how well he's throwing the 381 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 8: ball outside the numbers, and those are hard throws in 382 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 8: this league. So again, I'm not going to sit here 383 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 8: and say he's gonna have a great game against Denver. 384 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 4: That's a really difficult defense. It's on the road. 385 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 8: Denver leads the NFL in third down defense. They lead 386 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 8: the NFL on quarterback sacks. It's a very hard defense 387 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 8: to play against. So hey, he could throw two or 388 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 8: three picks and then people might say, oh, there you go, 389 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 8: he's still not very good. But just watching him these 390 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 8: last four or five weeks, there is a clear comfort 391 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 8: level in the way in which he is playing. 392 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: Listen, I've said it before, loudly and proudly. I like 393 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: my quarterbacks like my furniture, big and hard to move. 394 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: I like big quarterbacks. I have big, strong guys. I 395 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: watched Russell Wilson age overnight. Kyler Murray is a quickly 396 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: Tua maybe more than the previous two. I mean, when 397 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: you watch Tua, when I watch him Greg, this kid 398 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: doesn't want to get hit. I mean, I just I 399 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: watch a very apprehensive quarterback. 400 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 8: Tua is part to me of a larger discussion that 401 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 8: has gotten a lot of conversation this week about pure 402 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 8: progression versus reading defense, you know, and the old school. 403 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 8: In fact, Kirk Cousin spoke about this so eloquently this 404 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 8: week two is very much sort of a pre snap quarterback. 405 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 8: He's got to hit his back foot, he's got to 406 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 8: deliver the ball with timing, with rhythm, and yeah, you 407 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 8: want your quarterbacks to do that, but that can't happen 408 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 8: on every play. And what's happened to his defenses have 409 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 8: gotten a much better feel for the kinds of throws 410 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 8: that he can make, and he has limitations and the 411 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 8: kinds of throws that he can make. 412 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 4: So once you take. 413 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 8: Those throw away or minimize his ability to make those throws, 414 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 8: there's not much more to do. There's not much more 415 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 8: in his toolbox. So I think that's what's happened. And 416 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 8: his arm strength quite frankly, I don't know if it's 417 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 8: gotten worse, but it's probably below NFL average standards. 418 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 4: Now. 419 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 8: Now, do you need a gun to be a good 420 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 8: quarterback in the league. No, but there is a certain 421 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 8: level where you have to be able to make throws 422 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 8: that are not always within timing and structure, and he's 423 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 8: probably below that level right now. 424 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: So it's interesting. Kyle Shanahan ripped off is the wrong term, 425 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: but a lot of people have picked up elements of 426 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: his offense and sure they're not fooling people with that 427 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: offense like they were six years ago or five years ago, 428 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: and yet it just keeps working. Now, I probably need 429 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,479 Speaker 1: to give brock Purty more love, but they've done it 430 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: without Ayyuk Deebo's gone. Offensive line left tackles old, but 431 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: great Kittle hasn't lost a step. It feels like, but 432 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: I watched this offense and I'm like, Kyle's been running 433 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: this offense forever. Half the league's taken it and it's 434 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: still unbelievably effective. Has he tweaked it over time? 435 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 4: Yes? 436 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 8: Well, what you see a lot of are changes in 437 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 8: the use of pre snap movement and formations, because don't forget, 438 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 8: there's not a thousand concepts in the past game, for instance, 439 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 8: So it's how do you get to them? What is 440 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 8: your presentation to the defense? How do you get the 441 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 8: defense to react so you can gain leverage with your routes, 442 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 8: so you can win with your routes versus his own coverage, 443 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 8: so you can create space. The motion element, the pre 444 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 8: snap movement element, is so critical to what they do. 445 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 8: They've added a number of elements to that this year 446 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 8: that again show the defense a totally different presentation, but 447 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 8: there's an example when you get right down to it, 448 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 8: they've added all those things, but it's still a very 449 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 8: choreographed offense. It's you know, the term I would use 450 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 8: is there's an illusion of complexity to their offense in 451 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 8: what they do, which makes it difficult for the defense. 452 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 4: But it's probably I would assume this. 453 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 8: I'm not in the meetings obviously, but I would assume 454 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 8: in the way it's taught, it's probably relatively simple, but 455 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 8: there's a complexity illusion that's presented to the defense. 456 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to let's end talking Eagles and Jalen Hurts. 457 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: This offense, yes, and I noted this earlier this week 458 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: feels like it's been broken since Week one. Stages of 459 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: being broken. Is there anything you've seen that's encouraging with 460 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts on the offense. 461 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 8: Well, I certainly can't tell you why they do things 462 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 8: that they do. All I can tell you is the 463 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 8: last two weeks, including the loss by the way to 464 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 8: the Chargers, they've expanded their past game concepts and it's 465 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 8: been good to see they've started to do more things 466 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 8: which really helped Jalen Hurts, which really helped to define 467 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 8: reads and throws for him, and they've done that the. 468 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 4: Last two weeks. 469 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 8: Like I said, I can't tell you why they didn't 470 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 8: do it weeks one through twelve. 471 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to that. 472 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 8: I'm not smart enough for that, Colin, but I do 473 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 8: know what I see on film, and they've definitely expanded it. Also, 474 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,239 Speaker 8: what they started to do a little bit more, and 475 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 8: this was clearly part of what they did the last 476 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 8: number of years was more quarterback design runs and that. 477 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 4: Puts a lot of pressure on the defense. 478 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 8: But I think you know, he threw a touchdown late 479 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 8: in the game last week. Obviously he was against the Raiders. 480 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 8: We know they're not very good. That doesn't mean a 481 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 8: lot to me. It's the execution. So let's go to 482 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 8: that play because I think it speaks a lot to 483 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 8: Jalen Hurts. 484 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 4: And you know he can make throws. 485 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 8: He's a Super Bowl champion quarterback, you know, so he 486 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 8: can make throws. 487 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 4: This was the. 488 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 8: Touchdown JJ Brown later in the game. But I really 489 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 8: like this play for a number of reasons. Number one, 490 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 8: you're going to see Hurts in the gun now he 491 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 8: has Shipley next to him here, not Barkley. Although Barkley's 492 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 8: on the field as well. Now, notice Shipley will shift 493 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 8: outside in what we call a plus split. He's far 494 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 8: outside the numbers to the wide side of the field. 495 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 4: So now you have an empty set. 496 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 8: And what you have here is something you don't see 497 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 8: very often, which is trips into the boundary, trips into 498 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 8: the short side of the field, and Barkley is on 499 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 8: that side of the field. 500 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 4: So it's what we call a pony package. 501 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 8: So now what you're going to get here as you 502 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 8: look to the top of the screen, you're going to 503 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 8: get Shipley running a slant route and aj Brown is 504 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 8: inside of him. He's going to run a steam route. 505 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 8: That's the two man route combination. Look where that post 506 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 8: safety is. He's cheated to the trip side of the field, 507 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 8: and that's important. So what you have to make sure 508 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 8: when you're Jalen Hurts when you take the snap is 509 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 8: he doesn't rotate over to play that seam route by Brown. 510 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 8: That's critical. If he rotates over, you can't throw it. 511 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 8: So now the ball's going to get snabbed and he's 512 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 8: going to stay outside. So now he is outside the 513 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 8: hashmark to the trip side. So now you have the 514 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 8: slant route by Shipley once he disappears. 515 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 4: Okay, here's the critical thing. 516 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 8: Once Shipley disappears, Now the throat is to the seam, 517 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 8: but you have to beat the outside corner whose job 518 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 8: it is to overlap that route. So what does Hurtz 519 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 8: do really well here, it's the subtlety of the position. 520 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 8: He bends Brown in a little bit further. Instead of 521 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 8: throwing the straight seam, he bends him in just a 522 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 8: little bit further to make sure that that corner cannot. 523 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 4: Overlap that route. 524 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 8: This is really this is high level quarterbacking here by Hurts, 525 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 8: And this is what you want to see. 526 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 4: Like I said, it's a detail, it's a nuance. It's 527 00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 4: a subtlety. 528 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 8: But you know that's what playing the quarterback position is. 529 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 8: And when I saw this on tape, I said that 530 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 8: that's just a really good play. So I'm really anxious 531 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 8: to see where their offense go is now Colin as 532 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 8: it continues down the last three games, and obviously. 533 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 4: They're going to win the division, so they'll be in 534 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 4: the playoffs. 535 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: Greg co sl NFL Films forty six years appreciate it 536 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: as always. On a Thursday, Greg one. 537 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: More heard the herd streams twenty four hours a day, 538 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: seven days a week. Within the iHeartRadio app, search Herd 539 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: to listen live or on demand whenever you like. 540 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: You know, j Mac, I'm a bit of a traditionalist, 541 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: and this time of the year, I don't know, I 542 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: get the warm and fuzzies. 543 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 4: Here. 544 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: I took out a pencil, number two pencil and some 545 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: note cards, and I wanted to set her. You know, 546 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: people I've wronged in college and pro football over the 547 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: last couple of months. You know I'm big enough man 548 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: to acknowledge I've hurt some feelings. So I thought i'd 549 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: i'd write some letters. Okay, okay, let's start. I mean, 550 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: he's led the Steelers to the number three red zone offense. 551 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: Let's start with Aaron Rodgers. Dear Aaron, I said this 552 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: offense was a rotary phone in a smartphone world, dated, 553 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: clunky and unnecessary. But like fries in a sandwich, Pittsburgh 554 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: didn't know they needed you. Now they can't live without you. 555 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: Buy Awuasca, Colin. You know I was tough on Dak 556 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: Prescott and the Cowboys this year, so I grabbed that 557 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: number two pencil. Dear Dak, I once said you were 558 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: not the guy you would back up the Brinks truck 559 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: for consider this my Texas size surrender. You can lead 560 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: a team and a league. If you were on my team, 561 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: I'd back up the Brinks truck, the Ben and Jerry's truck, 562 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: the Budweiser truck. Your friend Colin leads the NFL in 563 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: passing yards. You know what I'm want to send one 564 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: to his billionaire friend, Jerry Jones. Happy Yee Holidays, Jerry, 565 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: I said, you run the Cowboys like an impulse buy 566 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: at Bucky's that you like headlines over hardware and splash 567 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: over substance. This year's trade big splash, a cannon ball 568 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: off the yacht. Still you swung, So I'm holding up 569 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: a ten, Colin. How about rookie Jackson Dart. I was 570 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: tough on that kid. Dear Jackson, you spend more time 571 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: in a tent than an RII salesman, yet somehow come 572 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: out tougher, sharper, and more polished. You're like a developing polaroid. 573 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: I can't see the full picture yet, but I'm glad 574 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: you're shaking things up. Okay, scatted, go for now, Colin. 575 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: How about forty four year old Philip Rivers recently unretired. 576 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: Dear coach Rivers, I'm not sorry you talk trash. I'm 577 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: sorry the media did. 578 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 8: Now. 579 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: Sure you won't win the X Games, but you went 580 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: out there, grabbed your kids skateboard and landed the trick. 581 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: Bozo's like jamac doubted you, not me. Happy holidays, Colin. 582 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: How about my letter to Sam Darnold. Dear Sambo, I'd 583 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: like to apologize to absolutely nobody. You got the Hawks 584 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: at eleven and three, poised to be a number one seed. 585 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: I was early, I was loud, I was right. Colin Coward, 586 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: your thirteenth man. Happy holidays. How about this one to 587 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: USC coach Lincoln Riley. I just finished this one this morning. 588 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: Dearest Lincoln, here's my Lincoln letter. I said your Trojan 589 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: tenure was drifting, momentum gone, like a film that ran 590 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: out of budget. Then you recruited the number one recruiting class. 591 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: My apologies. You're greenlit for a trilogy, probably a spinoff. 592 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: Stay streaming, Colin. And finally, the new Louisiana State football 593 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: coach Lane Kiffin. Dearest Lane, I warned that heading to 594 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: LSU would be chaotic, combustible, and short lived. You know 595 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna hang onto this for a few more weeks. 596 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna send this one out yet. I mean, 597 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: he did crush it, old mess, but the governor's on 598 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: his butt. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, a couple of 599 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: holiday letters. I saw this, J. 600 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 7: Mack, Well, wait, hold on, hold on. 601 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 9: I'm really proud of you for single handedly saving the 602 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 9: US Postal Service with all these letters and stamps. I mean, 603 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 9: well done, and getting in a dig at me and 604 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 9: calling me a Bozell. I like it, man, that's good stuff. 605 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 4: That was fun. 606 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: So I saw this story, and you know, I like 607 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: the Mannings, met all of them, like all of them. 608 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: It says here Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas. 609 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: This is the headline because he can still be the 610 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: quarterback one in the twenty twenty seven draft. And I'll 611 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: tell you why. I am really cynical of that. So 612 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: he went to a high school that was a smaller school, 613 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: and some question the competition not his fault a reality, 614 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: So I thought, well, let's just see him at Texas well. 615 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: The first two years he sat, he had Sark, great 616 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: offensive coach and Texas talent, and then year three starts 617 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: with Texas talent and Sark and I can't unsee it 618 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: the first half of this year. Go back and look 619 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: at the UTEP game UTEP and that's my thing to 620 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: be a number one pick. The first time Caleb Williams 621 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: was thrust into a game, was not prepared for Ford 622 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, he was brilliant the first time Trevor Lawrence 623 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: started one of Natty as a freshman. Andrew Luck may 624 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: have red shirted, but our first glimpse of him, Wow, 625 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: those guys as number one picks feel sort of generational. 626 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: Like John Elway Arch sat for two years, had Sark 627 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: had Texas and they slowly crafted him, slowly developed him. 628 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: That doesn't feel like something that becomes the number one pick. 629 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: Like Fernando Mendoza was at Cal. He didn't set the 630 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: world on fire. But Cal's got no you know, they've 631 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: got like second tier talent. The minute he got elite talent, 632 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: not Ohio State talent, for good talent around him. I mean, 633 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: he's been unbelievable this year. So I think my take 634 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 1: is at Arch Manning Jen speaking Kobe at seventeen eighteen 635 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 1: years old, had the greatest workout. Jerry West, the late 636 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: Jerry West, said he'd ever seen. Lebron at seventeen, was 637 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: called the best high school basketball player ever. I think 638 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: when you're I think generational talent. Caleb Williams first snaps 639 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: whoa Andrew Look redshirt freshman year Trevor Lawrence. It doesn't 640 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: mean certain players can't develop slowly, but I do think 641 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: you know what's the page Becker's the Yukon basketball player. 642 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: I think she got a scholarship offer in the sixth grade. 643 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: I think generally, and remember this an example is he 644 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 1: had such an advantage being a Manning. All the family 645 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: members most played in the NFL. That's an advantage. So 646 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: I guess my take is he could be an NFL quarterback. 647 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: I like his athletic ability. I think he's got a 648 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: pretty good arm. But when I number one pick, I 649 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: think Tiger Woods, Cooper flagg Lebron. I think just generational stuff. 650 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: Obviously there's a lot of misses, but I don't know. 651 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: I just don't. I feel like next year, if Dante 652 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: Moore came out and Arch Manning came out, that would 653 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: be an easy decision for me. It would be Dante Moore. 654 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: And by the way, the Manning family may not want 655 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: the number one thing. I mean the number one pick 656 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: you often go to an awful team if you slide 657 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, often a huge advantage. But 658 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: the Serenas and Rory McElroy's and the traditional kind of 659 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: number one pick kind of I don't know. I just 660 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: think Eli Manning was underrated, so was Archie Peyton was 661 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: fairly rated. At this point. There's just stuff I can't 662 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: quite unsee yet. Here's sark on arch Manning coming back 663 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: for another year. 664 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 10: He's a young man who's gotten considerably much better as 665 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 10: the season's gone on, and not only physically, but I 666 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,919 Speaker 10: think mentally maturity wise. Of assuming that position, I would 667 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 10: think he's going to want another year of that growth 668 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 10: to put himself in position for hopefully a long career 669 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 10: in the NFL. And he's got some unfinished business for him. 670 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 10: I think the competitor him is going to say, man, 671 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 10: I sure would like another crack at trying to do 672 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 10: those things. 673 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: So he's going to be twenty two in April. He's 674 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: not that young, and I guess he could be a 675 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: slow developer. I mean, Joe Burrow, like junior year, You're like, 676 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, and then all of a sudden he 677 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: popped and throw with like sixty touchdowners. I think it 678 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: outrageous at LSU, but the headline is the thing that 679 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: caught my attention. Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas. 680 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: He could still be quarterback one. I think what's going 681 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: to happen. Jaden Mayava going back to USC, Dante More 682 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: could stay at Oregon, Ty Simpson could stay at Alabama. 683 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,240 Speaker 1: Next year's class could be could be pretty profound. We'll see. 684 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: I do think this year's class got a lot of criticism, 685 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: but I think Jackson Dart we have to be fair. 686 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: Jackson Dart is absolutely I saw him as kind of 687 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,439 Speaker 1: a second round talent. Jackson Dart's been good. Too many 688 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 1: trips to the Blue Tent. But you know what, Drake 689 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: may spend some time in the blue tent his rookie year. 690 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert put his head down, tried to run over 691 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: linebackers in safety, so did Baker Mayfield. You get popped 692 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: about six seven times, and all of a sudden, you 693 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,919 Speaker 1: look at the Blue Tent and it's like that place 694 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: you don't want to go, right. So it'll be a 695 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,919 Speaker 1: different j Max this weekend. I think an interesting game 696 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: Jacksonville's played a much lighter schedule than Denver. I do 697 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: think keep your eye on Jacksonville. I don't see a 698 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: lot of upsets. Oh, I do. 699 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 7: Little closer, my friend, Oh you have one. Oh, I 700 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 7: mean listen, we've touched on a couple times this week. 701 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 7: I read it to you before the show. 702 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 4: The Kansas City. 703 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 9: Chiefs injury report screams a team that's just gonna shut 704 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 9: down a lot of dudes and have them play maybe 705 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 9: on Christmas Day at home against the Broncos, in like 706 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 9: a Travis Kelce sendoff. Reci Rice's concussed. Doesn't look like 707 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 9: he's gonna go. My fantasy team's not happy. But you 708 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 9: look around that that team, and there's a lot McDuffie 709 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 9: may not play. 710 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 8: Now. 711 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 9: I know Tennessee doesn't want to win, but there's still 712 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 9: a bunch of professional athletes who are young looking to 713 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 9: make an impression on the GM and keep their jobs. 714 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 7: Kim Ward's not gonna suddenly stop trying. 715 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 9: I think the Titans win that outright, this line has 716 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 9: come down four and a half to three. I think 717 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 9: it's going to keep coming down if the injury report 718 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 9: keeps getting bad for Casey. 719 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: You know, what can I give you a sharp pick. 720 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: Everybody's talking Ravens. I like New England. Oh I think 721 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: three is too many points. I like New England at Baltimore. 722 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: That is, if they lose, it's close. The other thing. 723 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 9: I just omitted, by the way Ravens Patriots will be 724 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 9: in headline tomorrow. 725 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 7: Just just laid the wager on one of those teams. 726 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 7: No tease, Just gonna put that out. 727 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: There, Okay, any strong feeling Chargers at the Cowboys? 728 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,879 Speaker 7: Cowboys probably how I see. 729 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: I thought earlier in the week you were Chargers. I 730 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, when you get humiliated or you play really 731 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 1: poorly in a big spot and the owners ripping the 732 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. I think Dallas is going to have one 733 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: of those kind of circle the wagons kind of like 734 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: play as well as they can possibly play. And it 735 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: feels like the Chargers are just figuring out ways to 736 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: win ugly and that may bite them at some point. 737 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 9: They didn't look good, Collin. I mean, they somehow won, 738 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 9: but a lot of it had to do with the 739 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:17,760 Speaker 9: Chiefs just stink. 740 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 4: You know. 741 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 7: The Chargers' offensive line is horrible. 742 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 9: I mean, look at Justin Herbert's passing number since he's 743 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,760 Speaker 9: got the broken hands. 744 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 4: Not good.