Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: Hey, what's your name?
Speaker 1: My name is Mason Mason. What's up, Mason, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: H nothing much, man, I'm a long time listener, first
Speaker 1: time caller. Uh found your found your stream twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember exactly where I found the stream,
Speaker 1: but uh, it's not what I'm calling calling to talk
Speaker 1: to you about.
Speaker 2: Wait, but I'm kind of curing us because if you
Speaker 2: remember something exactly, it must be interesting. Tell me more so.
Speaker 1: I work. I work at a theme park, and I
Speaker 1: was doing haunt repair work in one of our haunts,
Speaker 1: and uh, I saw you on Instagram a couple times,
Speaker 1: and uh, and then I finally tuned into the podcast
Speaker 1: and I listened to your podcasts every day for like
Speaker 1: eight hour, my entire work day, for for about a week.
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm I'm all caught up on all previous
Speaker 1: uh episodes you post said since then? Which is I'm
Speaker 1: really married to the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no shit, no shit, that's really crazy to me.
Speaker 2: That's that's I mean, that's a significant How many episodes
Speaker 2: of this thing are there?
Speaker 1: Like three, I.
Speaker 2: Don't even know, but you've been I mean that's a
Speaker 2: significant amount of Uh, that's probably a significant amount of
Speaker 2: the words that I have said in the past five
Speaker 2: years of my life, right, I mean think I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about it, right, Like, if you like, in a twenty
Speaker 2: four hour day, what percentage of the words let's say
Speaker 2: okay in a week? Right, I put out two of
Speaker 2: these podcasts a week in one week, what percentage of
Speaker 2: the words that I say are recorded and put online
Speaker 2: as a podcast. I hope it's not a large percentage.
Speaker 2: I hope I'm socializing enough that it's not a large percentage,
Speaker 2: But it's a percentage. It's a you've heard a large
Speaker 2: percentage of the recording words that I have or I
Speaker 2: not I not even requd you've heard a large percentage
Speaker 2: of the total words that I have spoken aloud in
Speaker 2: the last five years. I hope that's absolutely that would
Speaker 2: mean that would mean, that would mean that that I've
Speaker 2: just been silent in thinking.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I live vi curiously through your words,
Speaker 1: and I really I really love the issues that that
Speaker 1: you talk about on your podcast with your with the
Speaker 1: viewers and the callers. I mean, I really I really
Speaker 1: kind of take your therapy for for gospel in a way,
Speaker 1: but I mean just just living living through other people's
Speaker 1: world experiences is enough for me to tune into the
Speaker 1: podcast every day.
Speaker 2: So good, I hope. So I hope that that's here
Speaker 2: because I don't I I hope. I hope you're not
Speaker 2: taking anything I say as gospel. I hope you know.
Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say this, here's what I I hope
Speaker 2: you're not taking anything I say as gospel. But if
Speaker 2: I think, if I'm I think if the point of this,
Speaker 2: or if one of the points of this is that
Speaker 2: people are gathering perspectives on the world based on other
Speaker 2: people's lived experience. If if my own lived experience is
Speaker 2: chucked in there, I don't mind, but you probably shouldn't
Speaker 2: take anything I say. Is I try not to take
Speaker 2: anything I say is gospel or at.
Speaker 1: Least Oh dude, it's the best man.
Speaker 2: Well, I thank you. I appreciate that. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: take my own words. You know, I'm trying to trying
Speaker 2: to live better. I'm trying to I don't know, I
Speaker 2: got to get a handle on my brain.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna say, we're all trying to be the
Speaker 1: best version of ourselves. Man, And that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: what I'm calling to talk about.
Speaker 2: Please me talk about you finely.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to finally become the best version of myself. Okay,
Speaker 1: So so June twenty second, so that's exactly a month
Speaker 1: ago from today. I had I had a stint of
Speaker 1: what what I was diagnosed with was acute mania, So
Speaker 1: I kind of I kind of had this god complex.
Speaker 1: Everything felt larger than life. I had hyperactivity in my brain.
Speaker 1: So the past four, I guess the past month, I've
Speaker 1: been actively coming down from that, and it was a
Speaker 1: very eye opening experience for me. It kind of changed
Speaker 1: the way I think and changed my entire worldview. So
Speaker 1: I'm calling to see if I can get any advice
Speaker 1: from you on how to navigate this, this this new
Speaker 1: perspective and this new journey I'm kind of undergoing here.
Speaker 2: Well, before we launch into any kind of advice, if
Speaker 2: you want to talk about it, tell me more. What
Speaker 2: did that experience look like?
Speaker 1: Well, so since then, I've been I've been talking to
Speaker 1: a psycho biatrist. My my parents started to think that
Speaker 1: I was bipolar. My my psychiatrist completely disagrees, but I
Speaker 1: the experience looked like I took three visits to the
Speaker 1: e R, which is more than I had ever gone
Speaker 1: in my entire life. In one week, I had three
Speaker 1: visits to the e R to kind of talk me
Speaker 1: down from this this heightened manic state that I was in.
Speaker 1: I do think it was kind of like a weed
Speaker 1: induced psychosis. I mean, this, this is just this is
Speaker 1: just an idiot doing research online. AI has been a
Speaker 1: big tool for helping me navigate this. I know I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be so reliant on AI, but I'm.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's it's very interesting, man. They they
Speaker 1: got my parents insisted on medicating me. I'd never been
Speaker 1: on any form of medication before I had direct symptoms
Speaker 1: of the medication, so I was I was taken off
Speaker 1: the medication and my parents I still live with them.
Speaker 1: I'm twenty one. I I can't really move out in
Speaker 1: this economy.
Speaker 2: Oh br I mean before before before we do anything,
Speaker 2: before we do anything, I mean twenty one. I want
Speaker 2: to hear the rest of your story. But twenty one
Speaker 2: is a perfectly acceptable age to be living with your parents,
Speaker 2: So you know, don't don't freak out about that. And
Speaker 2: it's also not I mean, it's a fucking it's an
Speaker 2: amazing gift that you your parents are still heavily involved
Speaker 2: in your life and care about you enough to be,
Speaker 2: you know, going through this with you. So I hope,
Speaker 2: you know, I hope you're feeling that love.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's it's unconditional love, but it is almost overbearing
Speaker 1: to an extent because I still feel like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to navigate the bounds that come with manhood and trying
Speaker 1: to find my independence as a man. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: I've had the same job for seven years. I'm only twenty.
Speaker 1: I started when I was fourteen, and I thought this
Speaker 1: would be my life's calling and I could I could
Speaker 1: work the rat race and work the nine to five
Speaker 1: job my entire life. I'm I'm slowly coming to terms
Speaker 1: with that in this new state of mind, that I
Speaker 1: might go crazy if if I if I end up
Speaker 1: working the same job my entire life. But my parents
Speaker 1: have been trying to instill this foundation onto me that
Speaker 1: I need to work to make money. But watching you
Speaker 1: for the last three years has been really inspirational that
Speaker 1: you can find your voice online and you can find
Speaker 1: you can find other means to make money that's not
Speaker 1: being stuck in the nine to five job.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, my job, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I mean my job, it's very creative. I'm currently at
Speaker 1: work now. I do a lot of special effects and
Speaker 1: prop making and seen c work scence. He's a wood router.
Speaker 1: I'm actually in the wood routing room right now. I
Speaker 1: got a couple of projects to get done, but I
Speaker 1: thought this would be a more beneficial way to spend
Speaker 1: my time on the clock.
Speaker 2: So you've been so wait aute, you're twenty one. You've
Speaker 2: been in the special effects industry since you were fourteen?
Speaker 1: No, no, no. I started operating rides and I became
Speaker 1: a rides trainer, a ride supervisor, then moved over to
Speaker 1: special effects right out of high school, and I've I
Speaker 1: hadn't touched a hand drill or anything since then. A
Speaker 1: little quick backstory. I grew up in a STEM academy
Speaker 1: from kindergarten through sixth grade, so I always had this creative,
Speaker 1: uh aspect of me that's kind of been untapped up
Speaker 1: until now. Because now I can finally express my creative
Speaker 1: outlet in a way that I reap the benefits from
Speaker 1: the park that I work at. Also reached the benefits
Speaker 1: from so I'm very savvy when it comes to like
Speaker 1: three D modeling. We do a lot of three D
Speaker 1: printing at our at our work. But I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm self taught. I've used AI and YouTube to help
Speaker 1: me out with a lot of these things. But I
Speaker 1: feel like there's a passion that lives so deep within me,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to explore this, this passion. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of guest service experience, I mean, essentially growing
Speaker 1: up at this theme park, so I know how to
Speaker 1: talk to people and I know how to put on
Speaker 1: a stage face. But I'm trying. I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 1: trying to see how I can apply this in my
Speaker 1: in my real life to to kind of I don't
Speaker 1: know if it breaks free from the rat race, I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I started voice journaling, so I do
Speaker 1: have a voice journal journal on on my phone, and
Speaker 1: then I can I can take the transcript of that
Speaker 1: voice memo, putting it, put it into AI, and AI
Speaker 1: helps me complete like unformed thoughts that I that I
Speaker 1: had mentioned in the voice journal, it helps me organize. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's basically written journaling, but in utilizing modern day technology
Speaker 1: to help me explore what I want to really do
Speaker 1: with my life, kind of back to my parents, I
Speaker 1: I'm still living under their household. I have a wonderful
Speaker 1: safety net that they've they've helped build for me. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like this. I think I've been pretty calledled my
Speaker 1: entire life and don't have the real world experience that
Speaker 1: I envy. Four But I I've essentially lived paycheck to
Speaker 1: paycheck because I put all of my money in cryptocurrency.
Speaker 1: I know you would advise that I shouldn't put all
Speaker 1: my eggs in one basket, as my parents have been
Speaker 1: telling me, but I've I put seven thousand in there.
Speaker 1: My portfolio is currently up to fifty thousand, some pretty
Speaker 1: exponential games in the last year and a half. But
Speaker 1: I Dave Ramsey would be the person I would talk
Speaker 1: to you about this cryptocurrency, right.
Speaker 2: I have lots well, I have, I have lots of thoughts. Okay, Well, Also,
Speaker 2: by the way, listen, I'm gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 2: is I've also I also feel as though I've been
Speaker 2: relatively coddled for my entire life. I mean, I grew
Speaker 2: up in you know, so I grew up you know,
Speaker 2: with a in a house in the suburbs, and my parents,
Speaker 2: you know, they pay for me to go to college.
Speaker 2: And they let me live there for you know, fucking
Speaker 2: live in the house until I was twenty two twenty three,
Speaker 2: so I was able to save and do all the scrap.
Speaker 2: And I also felt like I was like, oh crap,
Speaker 2: I'm I have no uh semblance of the real world whatsoever,
Speaker 2: you know. But I also but I also have the
Speaker 2: belief that like, uh, listen, if you can use that too,
Speaker 2: I mean, don't you. I I think if you can
Speaker 2: use that position to you know, enrich your life, and
Speaker 2: they're bot from enriching your life, you kind of there's
Speaker 2: a there's a bit of I would call I would
Speaker 2: call it trickle down enrichmond when you you know, use
Speaker 2: it to do do do you know, as like a
Speaker 2: starting launching platform to do something that's worthwhile for your life.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, I think that benefits uh, you know,
Speaker 2: the people around you who care about you.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 2: So uh oh, there's a bunch of other things. I
Speaker 2: was going to say, Oh, crypto, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: don't I don't have I don't I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have any crypto. I'm not a crypto guy.
Speaker 1: Oh you're missing out, man, And utility coins. Look into
Speaker 1: ISO twenty twenty two, compliance try to invest in US
Speaker 1: made cryptocurrencies, something with utility, because it seems like that's
Speaker 1: where our financial system is headed. So, I mean, for
Speaker 1: the last three years, I've kind of been preaching the
Speaker 1: gospel when it comes to cryptocurrency, and that's just that's
Speaker 1: the way the world is heading.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm okay again. A lot of things, a
Speaker 2: lot of things.
Speaker 1: Again. I could talk all day about cryptocurrency. I've done.
Speaker 1: I've done three years of research onto this. Finance in
Speaker 1: high school is always what I was most passionate about.
Speaker 2: Sure, and I actually and I actually, I actually, I
Speaker 2: think it's a good thing because it's true, you need
Speaker 2: money to exist, right and if you're lucky unfortunately, yes,
Speaker 2: you need money to exist, and if you're lucky, you
Speaker 2: can figure out a way to make it that doesn't
Speaker 2: take up too much of your time so that you
Speaker 2: can go and do the things that you actually want
Speaker 2: to do. Crypto, I'm not. I don't know anyth about crypto.
Speaker 2: I don't really don't. I don't want to talk about
Speaker 2: it only because I don't know about it. But I
Speaker 2: think it's okay to I. I also when I was
Speaker 2: you know, when I was twenty one, I had a
Speaker 2: lot of separate parts of my brain where I was like,
Speaker 2: I kind of separated my brain into like three or
Speaker 2: four categories where I was like, Okay, I need to
Speaker 2: figure out something I can do to make money, and
Speaker 2: then I need to figure out something I can do
Speaker 2: to that is like makes art, and I need to
Speaker 2: figure out something I can do that gets me around people,
Speaker 2: and I need to focus on and I need to
Speaker 2: make sure I get the money thing down, pat, because
Speaker 2: then it'll help me out with the art thing and
Speaker 2: the being around the people thing.
Speaker 1: So you are genuinely thriving, then I have all of those,
Speaker 1: all of those four checkbox ticked.
Speaker 2: I got the age of seven.
Speaker 1: Man, It's true.
Speaker 2: I got well, I got you know, I got a
Speaker 2: little lucky. Uh.
Speaker 1: COVID was a huge benefactor to that. Dude. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember going on Reddit and and and seeing seeing that
Speaker 1: you wanted to start this thing and then call this line.
Speaker 1: I mean your story is is very uh and I
Speaker 1: mean your business model, I guess too, you could say
Speaker 1: is very inspirational too. I mean just just your everyday listener.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that. Uh. It was her name Ava
Speaker 1: that British woman you had on I just got done
Speaker 1: listening to that part.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, great, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that.
Speaker 1: Was That was a great conversation man, And it's really
Speaker 1: cool to hear from your I mean, I don't want
Speaker 1: to say older, but you're more more wise audience numbers,
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, it's just it's just the way
Speaker 1: you break down those those calls is is very beneficial
Speaker 1: to me when I'm trying to experience the world vicariously
Speaker 1: through I mean, I guess your callers, right, because so
Speaker 1: that seems like the best way I can I can
Speaker 1: pick up on on my flaws, other people's flaws, and
Speaker 1: again kind of tying back to the beginning of the conversation,
Speaker 1: being the best version of ourselves.
Speaker 2: Right, I appreciate that. I want to get back into
Speaker 2: your life for a second. And by the way, just
Speaker 2: so you know, I'm just and you've heard every episode
Speaker 2: of my show, so I guess, I'm I guess, I'm
Speaker 2: only I guess I'm just saying this to myself. But
Speaker 2: obviously you know I'm not a real therapist and work,
Speaker 2: but I'm interested. But You've brought up a lot of
Speaker 2: topics as we've been talking that I have personal interests in,
Speaker 2: so I'm happy to just like chat with you about them.
Speaker 2: So you brought up a lot of things that I
Speaker 2: want to get into. I'm trying to keep a note
Speaker 2: of all of them. I'm going to rattle off the ones.
Speaker 2: I remember you talked about masculinity navigating that. Is that correct? Okay?
Speaker 2: You were talking about mania and just general mental health stuff,
Speaker 2: and then talking about talking about like trying to find
Speaker 2: what you actually want to do with your life, your
Speaker 2: relationship with your parents. I'm down to get into all
Speaker 2: that stuff. Let's talk about Let's talk about the masculinity thing.
Speaker 2: Where you where are you at with that? What are
Speaker 2: the thoughts with that? What's right? Made you bring that up?
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of things that that that it
Speaker 1: sparked me to just say that. But my my state
Speaker 1: of acute mania really made it clear to me that
Speaker 1: I am a man that is I'm going to quote
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney here, Uh, maybe I'm a man that's in
Speaker 1: the middle of something that he doesn't really understand. That's
Speaker 1: from a song. Maybe I'm amazed, And I mean that
Speaker 1: that really resonates with me because we're all just men
Speaker 1: and women and children trying to navigate this this world
Speaker 1: for the first time, and how we how we respond
Speaker 1: to our adversities and and things that things that really
Speaker 1: bog us down and distract us from I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not very religious, but God's plan, I mean I think
Speaker 1: there's a plan, there's a there's a path that all
Speaker 1: of us are destined to be on. And I mean, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. I mentioned the man because my parents think
Speaker 1: of me lesser as a man because of the way
Speaker 1: that I've been responding to this adversity in my life.
Speaker 1: I mean, this last four weeks has been pretty hellish
Speaker 1: for my parents because they've seen me. They've seen me
Speaker 1: in a heightened state that they're not used to. So
Speaker 1: every time I come home, my mom kind of just
Speaker 1: says she wants her son back, and the son that
Speaker 1: she once knew as her roommates. I mean, I've been
Speaker 1: their essential, essentially their roommate for the last three years
Speaker 1: since I turned eighteen and got my full time job
Speaker 1: out of high school. They uh, they want that relationship back.
Speaker 1: I think myself as lesser of a man then, because
Speaker 1: I was addicted to poorn, I was addicted to my phone,
Speaker 1: I was addicted to h to marijuana, all these these
Speaker 1: crutches in my life that have have negatively, uh negatively
Speaker 1: been impacting me. Uh, I've break, I've breaken free from
Speaker 1: from from those things. I'm finally getting back in the gym.
Speaker 1: I'm finally becoming the version of myself that I want
Speaker 1: to be. So when I come home and my parents
Speaker 1: think I'm lesser of a man because they don't recognize
Speaker 1: this new me anymore, it's it's kind of disheartening.
Speaker 2: So Okay, you don't have to get into it if
Speaker 2: you don't want to. But you you described kind of
Speaker 2: at the beginning of this some like manic episode where
Speaker 2: you thought that you were God? What what was.
Speaker 1: That it was? It was, I mean a cute mania.
Speaker 1: I mean I just have have kind of I've done
Speaker 1: a little bit of research, but what from my psychiatrist
Speaker 1: has told me I had a God complex where where
Speaker 1: I uh, man, it's a little it's still hard for
Speaker 1: me to process this because it was it was riddled
Speaker 1: by insomnia, it was riddled by my excessive marijuana usage.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of there was a lot of
Speaker 1: contributors to what led me to this state of acute
Speaker 1: mania and I mean it was tough, man, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a tough like week of in and out
Speaker 1: of the er, in and out of fighting with my parents.
Speaker 1: I mean, kind of spewing off the same same garbage
Speaker 1: that I'm telling you now.
Speaker 2: But do you do you know what sollipsism is.
Speaker 1: I do not.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I should maybe, maybe maybe I shouldn't send
Speaker 2: you down this rabbit Maybe it's not responsible to send
Speaker 2: you down.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of rabbit holes, but I don't.
Speaker 2: It's probably not respond it's probably super irresponsible to send
Speaker 2: you down this rabbit hole. But the only reason why
Speaker 2: I and bringing it up is is, I guess in
Speaker 2: relation to the god complex. Yeah, syllipsis, don't go don't
Speaker 2: go too crazy on it. Please stay in the matrix. Okay,
Speaker 2: the matrix is a nice place to be, especially when
Speaker 2: you're twenty. Stay in the matrix as long as you can.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if my parents have escaped
Speaker 1: the matrix for for the last four weeks and they
Speaker 1: don't stand what I mean.
Speaker 2: We can, we can, we can, we can talk about that,
Speaker 2: but I don't whatever. Syllpsicism is this idea that your
Speaker 2: consciousness is the because I've gone I've had a I've
Speaker 2: recent not over the past year. As I've been hading,
Speaker 2: you've listened to my podcast, you know, I'm going through
Speaker 2: an existential crisis. As the year has been going, I've
Speaker 2: also had like a weird God complex of this. And
Speaker 2: here's what I mean by that is Syllipsism is the
Speaker 2: idea that your own consciousness is the only verifiable thing
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, well, it's the only thing that's verifiable
Speaker 2: to you, and so it leads you down this path
Speaker 2: of thinking, like, wait, theoretically I could be God. Not
Speaker 2: in the sense of like I'm like, not in like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm better than everyone else kind of a sense, but
Speaker 2: in like a oh, I'm the only thing that can
Speaker 2: be verified, but I also have got but also the God,
Speaker 2: the the like a God complex thing manifests itself in
Speaker 2: this sense of like, sure, I'm God, but also everyone
Speaker 2: is God because.
Speaker 1: God lives in within, God lives in with all of us.
Speaker 2: Man, well, well, the idea that like, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: I'm create. I I am created out of fucking like
Speaker 2: biological material and carbon and ship that is, you know,
Speaker 2: part of my parents who were created out of carbon
Speaker 2: and it just keeps good. Eventually, if we go back
Speaker 2: farther enough, we get in from like how I got
Speaker 2: here and how I'm able to have these thoughts and
Speaker 2: how I'm able to be conscious of myself. We start
Speaker 2: to delve into things that are beyond the known, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a I'm a conscious product of the universe.
Speaker 2: I am the universe aka God. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I believe in like a Christian God, but you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, you're you're you're born.
Speaker 1: Of the p.
Speaker 2: No, it's not everything, I'm everything. I'm saying like feels
Speaker 2: very like empirical to be. I know, I use the
Speaker 2: word too much. I'm saying like makes sense, Like I'm look,
Speaker 2: I'm created of, Like I'm a weird thing. We all
Speaker 2: are weird things. I'm a weird thing where I'm biological
Speaker 2: material like the like created from the universe itself, and
Speaker 2: I'm also conscious and I am experiencing the rest of
Speaker 2: the universe. That's fucking crazy to me. It's a wild
Speaker 2: it's a wild concept. So like be whatever, the whole
Speaker 2: thing of, Like I'm the universe experiencing itself. Whatever. Blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, Anyway, anyway, I'm sorry that was a huge tangent,
Speaker 2: but that that's kind of I love it. But also,
Speaker 2: but here's why I.
Speaker 1: Say, you want to stream of consciousness, man, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's what tis. I mean, that's why people are so
Speaker 1: interested and you have diehard listeners, right, I mean your
Speaker 1: stream of consciousness. When when you get into talking about
Speaker 1: a subject matter that's as heavy as that, it's it
Speaker 1: just it resonates so well with a lot of us,
Speaker 1: like free thinkers, I would say, I mean, I.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, Mason. I want to keep on subject.
Speaker 2: I want to keep on you is okay, So you
Speaker 2: were talking about let me let me ask you this, man,
Speaker 2: because what did the psychi when you when you went
Speaker 2: crazy and you went to the er and you and
Speaker 2: you saw the psychiatrist. What did they tell you?
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. I was kind of in the
Speaker 1: midst of that god complex, but I was fully lucid
Speaker 1: and conscious the whole time. So I was actively trying
Speaker 1: to resist treatment. So I mean, for the first time
Speaker 1: we went to the er, everything was was pretty chill
Speaker 1: and dandy. These these medical professionals I'm air quoting right now, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Well didn't didn't didn't see well? Right, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, at least at least for me. They are
Speaker 1: medical professionals. They are able to help people who need
Speaker 1: the help. But when when you don't feel as though
Speaker 1: you need the help in that state of mind, because
Speaker 1: I mean I was, because I was fully lucid and
Speaker 1: aware of my surroundings, but it was it was more
Speaker 1: of a spiritual awakening to me than it was any
Speaker 1: form of diagnosis. That were you but the matrix could
Speaker 1: give me?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I have again, I keep having thoughts about this.
Speaker 2: So were you when you say that in the in
Speaker 2: the in the time you were there, when you were lucid,
Speaker 2: you were not rejecting help, and you were and you
Speaker 2: called them quote unquote medical professionals as I'm talking to
Speaker 2: you right now, do you? And I'm not in the listen, listen, listen,
Speaker 2: let me let me right finish your quite And I'm I'm,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not in the businesses. Maybe I am, but
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I I what fuck it do?
Speaker 1: I had these right, I did think they could help me.
Speaker 1: But when I spend four hours of my life not
Speaker 1: seeking active help because my parents think I desperately need it.
Speaker 1: It seems like wasted time every time we went in there.
Speaker 1: The only time they were really of service to me
Speaker 1: is when I was having direct symptoms of my medication.
Speaker 1: So I would I would go in there because my
Speaker 1: parents think I'm manic, which yeah, you could from an
Speaker 1: outsider's perspective, you could definitely say I was manic. But
Speaker 1: but I would rather be at homes like like going
Speaker 1: down rabbit holes, or watching YouTube or fucking jerking off,
Speaker 1: like I mean, doing something that's productive to me in
Speaker 1: my life. Because when I was sitting in that hospital room,
Speaker 1: multiple hospital rooms for an extended period of time, waiting
Speaker 1: for the medical professionals to come in and try to
Speaker 1: diagnose what I'm what I'm undergoing, they weren't of any
Speaker 1: service to me, and it really just left myself and
Speaker 1: my parents with more questions about what I was going through.
Speaker 2: I want to I just want to clarify. I want
Speaker 2: to clarify something. Are you talking right now from the
Speaker 2: perspective of you at the time, or this is how
Speaker 2: you feel right now.
Speaker 1: Me at me at the time, this is this is
Speaker 1: me at the time, This is me able four weeks
Speaker 1: able to reflect on that time spent, because I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's exactly a month to the date. I've been
Speaker 1: trying to call the last couple of times because I
Speaker 1: thought you would find my story interesting. But yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just a lot for me to process.
Speaker 1: One is a man but also trying to find independence
Speaker 1: and trying to break free from from the the societal
Speaker 1: constructs that my parents have laid before me.
Speaker 2: What is this? What is the societal contract that what
Speaker 2: is the societal contract.
Speaker 1: That I that I need? That I need that I
Speaker 1: need to find a job that will make me money.
Speaker 1: But during my awakening, I realized that this was not
Speaker 1: the job for me. Okay, And I mean, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm actively like I feel like a caged
Speaker 1: bird right now, who who wants to spread his wings
Speaker 1: and fly. But I'm trying to find what I'm deeply,
Speaker 1: truly passionate about to kind of help me. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm twenty one and the world's my oyster, right So
Speaker 1: I mean, I I will I probably won't find that
Speaker 1: right now, but that's I've kind of been banking on
Speaker 1: cryptocurrency too much to help help me find this financial
Speaker 1: freedom so I can take like a gap year in
Speaker 1: my in my working history to find what what what really?
Speaker 1: What really resonates with me for the since COVID, I've
Speaker 1: kind of had dreams of being a nomad and living
Speaker 1: in a van down by the river, as Chris Barley
Speaker 1: would say, or I mean taking a sailboat and going
Speaker 1: and sailing from Seattle down to Hawaii. I mean, like
Speaker 1: so very ambitious goals like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually I was. Yeah, I was like I think
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one when I first was like, oh I
Speaker 2: want to do Yeah, when I was also I was
Speaker 2: also at that age I was thinking a lot about
Speaker 2: nomad adventures and those things. Yeah, have you well, but
Speaker 2: also but also have you ever done anything like that?
Speaker 1: No, sir okay, I mean other than other than backpacking,
Speaker 1: camping trips, really trying to get in tune with the
Speaker 1: really just touching graphs. I mean other than that, No,
Speaker 1: because I haven't had the funds or means to do.
Speaker 2: So you're up what fifty grand in crypto?
Speaker 1: Yes, sir okay.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been out of the country?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, my parents were very fortunate enough to take
Speaker 1: my brother and I exploring around the world. Was last year,
Speaker 1: the year before we went and saw the Mayan ruins
Speaker 1: down in Chietsa, Nitza, we had a we had a
Speaker 1: tour guide there that really opened up my mind. And
Speaker 1: I mean, the sun gods and how the Mayans created
Speaker 1: our calendar year fifty two seasons in a year, seven
Speaker 1: days a week was all be able to they all
Speaker 1: they read that from the sun. And I mean, I
Speaker 1: think in a lot of ways, society is more advanced.
Speaker 1: Society was more advanced back then than it is now
Speaker 1: just because we have smartphones. I mean, I'm an old
Speaker 1: soul that would really like to unplug from from the matrix,
Speaker 1: if you will. I mean, because nomadic lifestyle just seems
Speaker 1: like how our ancestors intended for us.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you this, and this is there's no
Speaker 2: correct philosophy on how to live. I don't believe. And
Speaker 2: also I don't. You and I might have different interpretations
Speaker 2: for what the quote unquote matrix is. Uh, my personal
Speaker 2: interpretation of what the matrix is is like, uh, you
Speaker 2: have kind of like where your brain is at when
Speaker 2: you're in some form of a spiritual awakening and you're
Speaker 2: seeing beyond the day, the day to day, right, and
Speaker 2: and the day to day and living in a society
Speaker 2: and stopping at stop signs and waiting in line at
Speaker 2: the CVS and talking to someone in a hallway and
Speaker 2: being on the computer and uh, you know, talking to
Speaker 2: your mom on the phone and saying hi to somebody
Speaker 2: who walks past you down the street like that, Like
Speaker 2: that's the matrix or whatever, and or like you know,
Speaker 2: you're waiting in line at a sandwich shop and you're like,
Speaker 2: why is this line not going? Or whatever? You know,
Speaker 2: you're that's that's I get, Like the matrix. That's like
Speaker 2: every day. And then like beyond that is where you're like,
Speaker 2: uh oh, what the fuck? I'm the universe experiencing itself
Speaker 2: and what right? And my personal philosophy is you want
Speaker 2: it is if you is. I was actually just talking
Speaker 2: about one of my friends about this, uh and and
Speaker 2: she disagreed. She wanted to live fully outside the matrix.
Speaker 2: But this is how I think about these things.
Speaker 1: Live fully outside the matrix will need to be firmly
Speaker 1: planted in reality.
Speaker 2: Okay, That's how that's what I was going. That's that's
Speaker 2: what I was gonna say. Is I enjoy life the
Speaker 2: most when I'm one foot inside always you gotta keep.
Speaker 2: You gotta keep, especially if you're at the point where
Speaker 2: you know you're you're going through psychosis and you're going
Speaker 2: to the er and you're you're really scaring the people
Speaker 2: around you, you want to keep. It's I think it's
Speaker 2: good to explore that which is beyond the matrix. But
Speaker 2: you know what's funny. You know what's interesting is that
Speaker 2: you explore all these things outside of the matrix, But
Speaker 2: then the real spirituality is kind of found within the
Speaker 2: matrix a little bit, right, right, It's kind of found
Speaker 2: within the matrix. You know, it's found in very sure
Speaker 2: small things. I mean, you know when you're whatever. Let's
Speaker 2: say you work at a fucking office and you are
Speaker 2: at the you're getting a snack from the fridge, and
Speaker 2: your coworker is talking to you about some fucking thing
Speaker 2: they did over the weekend, and you're talking to them
Speaker 2: like that's very matrixy. But that's also but also but
Speaker 2: also being in the moment of that conversation has deep
Speaker 2: spiritual value, you know, so so go, so it's fun
Speaker 2: to explore yourself beyond the matrix and whatnot, But you
Speaker 2: got you bring it back, and you bring it back
Speaker 2: and you use it to because you also you also
Speaker 2: don't live there. Your your physical body and brain you
Speaker 2: live in. You live in society. You can go off
Speaker 2: into the woods and remove yourself, but you, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you're gonna have such a great time. You know,
Speaker 2: it's good to live in society. So you, you know,
Speaker 2: go off and have your spiritual awakenings and whatever, do
Speaker 2: your fucking ayahuasca and uh, I mean maybe don't do ayahuasca,
Speaker 2: but go and and do do those things. But but
Speaker 2: bring it, bring it back so that when you're whatever
Speaker 2: talking to your son one day about some bullshit, it's like,
Speaker 2: you can navigate the thing you act you can, you
Speaker 2: can use it to better navigate the thing you actually
Speaker 2: live in. Does that make any sense to you? Or
Speaker 2: am I on a road?
Speaker 1: No? It totally, It totally does, dude.
Speaker 2: Okay, because you, because you, if you, because you you
Speaker 2: realize a lot of things that are matrix y. You
Speaker 2: really you have to make money to survive. You you
Speaker 2: want a career or a or to pursue a passion
Speaker 2: of some kind that requires you to exist within your
Speaker 2: ego and your identity. Right, so the things you want
Speaker 2: are all matrixy, but that's good. If you live too
Speaker 2: far outside of the matrix, you'll get I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what your brain is like. I only
Speaker 2: have the experience of my brain. And when my brain
Speaker 2: goes too far outside of the matrix, I get lost.
Speaker 2: I just get lost. I'm honored to you know, think
Speaker 2: about that ship, but you get And also, you've become
Speaker 2: an asshole when you talk to your even when you
Speaker 2: talk to your friends about the matrix. And the more
Speaker 2: you talk to your friends about how you're the universe
Speaker 2: experiencing itself, the more they're gonna hate you.
Speaker 1: So they think you're arrogant. They think you're an asshole.
Speaker 2: And I mean being arrogant about it only if you
Speaker 2: are right, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, I say those things because that's how my parents
Speaker 1: were referring to me when when I talk, And I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm trying to find that separation between me
Speaker 1: living outside of the matrix while still living in the
Speaker 1: confines of my household, while still living in the confines
Speaker 1: of the matrix, going going, and clocking in every morning.
Speaker 1: But I think it takes a lot to navigate, man.
Speaker 1: And uh, it seems like I'm too young to be
Speaker 1: experiencing the world in this in this in this light
Speaker 1: at the moment, maybe.
Speaker 2: Sorry to storry to start to interrupt you, but also in
Speaker 2: talking about like I don't you shouldn't let your parents
Speaker 2: and the people are You shouldn't let your parents and
Speaker 2: the people around you dilute you. You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: You should let them dilute you. You you shouldn't let
Speaker 2: them dilute you. But also you gotta learn to live
Speaker 2: in the other people's contexts. You know, you gotta have
Speaker 2: the empathy for your parents myself. Got to put yourself
Speaker 2: in their shoes, and you got to understand how their
Speaker 2: brain works and how their world works, and you might
Speaker 2: you might be living in this world that's like spiritually
Speaker 2: beyond what they understand, not even in a douchey I
Speaker 2: don't even that sounds douchey, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But you got to learn you gotta take some empathy
Speaker 2: and have it for them so that you can be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna what's the best way to be in this
Speaker 2: situation with them right now? And that that shows that
Speaker 2: I because you got to you got to live in
Speaker 2: their context. You can't let them you don't want to
Speaker 2: let them dilute you, and you don't want to let
Speaker 2: them make you feel bad about yourself or make you
Speaker 2: I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I'm trying hard, right, Yeah, I'm trying hard. But uh,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to separate myself from Agent Smith actively trying
Speaker 1: to to pull me back into their way of thinking. Right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I refer to today I did my parents'
Speaker 1: Agent Smith.
Speaker 2: But that is really that is extremely funny. But I mean, well,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I want to ask you.
Speaker 1: I I want to free slope, dude.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you. So, I mean, what is
Speaker 2: going on with your parents? Like? What is the deal there?
Speaker 1: They? They love me almost too much. It feels like,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's overbearing. I've had this unconditioned, unconconditional
Speaker 1: love for the last twenty one years of my existence.
Speaker 1: I will always know they love me, and I will
Speaker 1: always love them. But I don't feel as though I'm
Speaker 1: in a a constant state to be parented anymore because
Speaker 1: I've I've found that in forms of mentors, mentors and
Speaker 1: my job mentors in my life, my I I find
Speaker 1: it hard to relate with my peers sometimes because because
Speaker 1: I'm an old soul. I feel like a man that's
Speaker 1: that's living in the sixties right now. If that makes
Speaker 1: any sense to you, I mean, I I I just
Speaker 1: I find it hard to come to terms with with
Speaker 1: realities we know it today because I'm just reminiscent on
Speaker 1: on past societies, past cultures.
Speaker 2: Okayanna, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop you. I'm gonna stop you.
Speaker 2: What is it about? And I want you to try it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try I want to try to rain this
Speaker 2: in and get really specific here. What is it about
Speaker 2: past societies that you think can't be found in the
Speaker 2: world that you currently live in? If you can give
Speaker 2: me a specific answer about that, because I'm willing to
Speaker 2: bet so.
Speaker 1: I'm immediately I'm immediately thinking of the movie Midnight in Paris.
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson goes to Paris and he hops in a
Speaker 1: in a horse wagon and carriage, and it brings him
Speaker 1: back to the nineteen twenties in a time where Paris, culture, literature,
Speaker 1: evolution in society was at its finest. And what I
Speaker 1: took out of that message was people are people in
Speaker 1: the present are actively trying to go back to how
Speaker 1: things used to be. And I mean I'm just a man,
Speaker 1: and I know I can't charge the course of history,
Speaker 1: and I go back.
Speaker 2: I gotta stap, I gotta stop you, I gotta stop you.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry for forgetting your name, because I'm really
Speaker 2: enjoying our conversation. But what was your name again? Mason?
Speaker 1: Mason?
Speaker 2: Mason Mason. I'm gonna stop you, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: ask you again because you kind of did the thing
Speaker 2: that I thought you were going to do. Okay, right,
Speaker 2: you kind of did the thing that I thought you
Speaker 2: were going to do, which is fine, But I'm gonna
Speaker 2: ask you again. What's specifically do you think is gone
Speaker 2: from the past that you can't find today?
Speaker 1: Really? Really nothing? The only the only thing something maybe
Speaker 1: the addition of smartphones, right, I mean, I just, I
Speaker 1: just I don't like the way that smartphones make the
Speaker 1: common man think anymore, because everyone would rather be so
Speaker 1: sucked into the reality of their online screens. It's really
Speaker 1: just the modern age of technology we live in. While
Speaker 1: I reap the benefits of that, I also am reminiscent
Speaker 1: of a time where I had to go to the
Speaker 1: library to uh to find information.
Speaker 2: And I means I I I under here's the thing,
Speaker 2: and I get that. And actually I don't think you echo, uh,
Speaker 2: you don't echo an unpopular sentiment. And I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people, especially like you know, I mean, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, twenty one twenty seven is is not a
Speaker 2: crazy gap, but it is a gap. And I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people, you know, you were of the
Speaker 2: age where where we've only we've only known smartphones. And
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people do realize underneath it
Speaker 2: that they don't like smartphone culture and they don't like it,
Speaker 2: and I I I think that you're not alone in that,
Speaker 2: and I think that there's opportunity in understanding that you're
Speaker 2: not alone in that and going out to find uh,
Speaker 2: the more sort of intentional people and intentional communities that
Speaker 2: you seek. But you don't wanna you don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I just I just would you know, you're a smart guy, Mason,
Speaker 2: I would. I would hate for you to waste any
Speaker 2: time menting about the state of the world when you
Speaker 2: could be when you could be finding the people and
Speaker 2: the places that are worth engaging, because you know, I
Speaker 2: fucking every you know, dude, every every This is not
Speaker 2: a popular sentiment, but every epoch of history has had horrible,
Speaker 2: horrible things going on. I mean, we had fucking like,
Speaker 2: we had two world wars. Man, Like, you know, there's
Speaker 2: never been a state of the world that was utopian.
Speaker 2: Maybe actually maybe maybe a little bit in the nineties,
Speaker 2: but even then there's probably going on that was kind
Speaker 2: of when technology was perfect. But anyway, but anyway, like
Speaker 2: all the things that at least, if we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about you as an individual, the things that you
Speaker 2: seem to want, wants, you seem to want to just
Speaker 2: from talking to you, I'm gauging that you seem to
Speaker 2: want connection, you seem to want community, you seem to
Speaker 2: want to be able to express yourself. You seem to
Speaker 2: want adventures. Those are I mean, bro, those are my
Speaker 2: Those are my three big life values. Is adventure and community,
Speaker 2: creative expression, and you can you can find them. You
Speaker 2: don't need to travel to fucking the eighteen hundred's. Life
Speaker 2: would suck in the eighteen hundreds. Man, you're no, but
Speaker 2: I don't need to imagine.
Speaker 1: Imagine. Imagine imagine a get Go pulling out their gun
Speaker 1: from there and being a gunslinger, right, just just like Rango.
Speaker 2: You know, Mason, I can Mason, Mason, I can buy
Speaker 2: a gun right now, I don't want a gun. You
Speaker 2: can go have an advent. You can go to the
Speaker 2: library right now. You don't have to transport to so,
Speaker 2: you know, if I were just like again, I would
Speaker 2: hate for you to be lamenting the world you could
Speaker 2: live in instead of realizing the opportunities that exist in
Speaker 2: the world that you do live in. Especially you, I mean,
Speaker 2: you got you got it on lock I. I know
Speaker 2: that the crypto or whatever. You understand that you've got
Speaker 2: to try to figure out some way to make money
Speaker 2: outside of the traditional ways in order to you know,
Speaker 2: you understand the concepts of financial freedom and you understand this.
Speaker 2: And then the air thing. As far as dealing with
Speaker 2: your parents, I mean, I don't know, man, you'll honestly,
Speaker 2: if I had to simplify my thoughts about this conversation
Speaker 2: that we've had so far, I think you'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: But like, don't let yourself go too crazy, man, Like stay,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Stay stay? And also, yeah,
Speaker 2: when other people want to help you, you should also be
Speaker 2: open to letting them to the degree that it doesn't
Speaker 2: dilute your your spirits and personality. You should let people
Speaker 2: help you, especially medical professionals. Because also a lot of
Speaker 2: the fucking things that we think of as spiritual awakenings
Speaker 2: are truly just brain chemicals acting in crazy ways, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I don't know, let people, let people
Speaker 2: help you try to cultivate some form of empathy and
Speaker 2: understanding with your parents while not you know, while preserving
Speaker 2: yourself and yeah, just try to try your best. Man.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it was a long rant, but.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, that exactly what I needed to hear today.
Speaker 1: I do need to make amends with with my parents.
Speaker 1: I knew. We had a kind of drag out fight
Speaker 1: last night where I just I just wish conflict resolution
Speaker 1: was more addressed in my upbringing because I'm actively trying
Speaker 1: to keep an open mind and kind of check my
Speaker 1: emotions at the door when I'm when I'm having conversations
Speaker 1: and really just taking in the full scope of scope
Speaker 1: of what they're saying. And I mean that kind of
Speaker 1: ties back to living in the moment and and being
Speaker 1: an active listener. So you're not you're you're you're listening
Speaker 1: and you're not reacting to what they are saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that is still what I'm trying to juggle
Speaker 1: and process right now is as I try to find
Speaker 1: my footing in this world, as we all are trying
Speaker 1: to find our footing in this world. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: supposed to be ever changing individuals, and I mean I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just trying to to evolve. Essentially. It's broadened
Speaker 1: my horizons in a way that most people aren't open
Speaker 1: to h to doing because they're they're content and they're
Speaker 1: comfortable in their current way of thinking and there in
Speaker 1: their current environment and circumstances, and uh, the wilderness must
Speaker 1: be explored.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well try not to trying to I I uh,
Speaker 2: you know what's funny is I actually do think especially
Speaker 2: I think when you're younger and you're I you know,
Speaker 2: when you're like young and ambitious, there is a tendency
Speaker 2: to think of yourself in terms of others, which is
Speaker 2: what you're saying of like, you know, I want to
Speaker 2: explore the wilderness and I don't want to be like
Speaker 2: the other people. And that's actually it's a weird. It's
Speaker 2: a helpful jump start slash motivator to getting yourself out
Speaker 2: and in the world and doing shit. But you know,
Speaker 2: then it's funny. I mean, I've been on that jur
Speaker 2: I'm still on the journey. But then you kind of
Speaker 2: do all that stuff and then you come back down
Speaker 2: to earth and you're like, oh, we were all we
Speaker 2: we were all kind of the same and some Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know anyway, Mason.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we're all human, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: we're all human.
Speaker 2: We're all destined for who knows. We didn't talk about
Speaker 2: the job thing. Yeah, we can talk about it briefly
Speaker 2: if you want. What do you want to do?
Speaker 1: Dude? That's That's still what I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: because I was I was content with so when I
Speaker 1: when I graduated, my my walkout speech was I want
Speaker 1: to win the lottery and I want to buy the
Speaker 1: theme park that I've worked at my entire life. Uh.
Speaker 1: The owner of the theme park saw that and uh
Speaker 1: and had a chuckle. But I mean, I've always I've
Speaker 1: kind of been a one track mind up until my
Speaker 1: acute mania, So I mean I would I would have
Speaker 1: been content with working at this place my entire life,
Speaker 1: but I'm actively trying to veer away from from that
Speaker 1: way of thinking and uh and realize there's more to
Speaker 1: life than to the than than working at the same
Speaker 1: job my entire working career. So right now, I think
Speaker 1: I'm trying to expand my resume. I mean, the resume
Speaker 1: comes to like gaining world experience as well as my
Speaker 1: working career. So I mean, I'm I'm almost thinking working
Speaker 1: for a cruise line and uh and being able to
Speaker 1: being able to see the world while also getting a
Speaker 1: steady paycheck, living living abroad and living aboard a vessel. Right, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's there's proper ways to go
Speaker 1: about this that kind of tap into the what I'm
Speaker 1: what I'm actively searching for, and that's just a sense
Speaker 1: of connection and a sense of humanity because I kind
Speaker 1: of I kind of radiate off the energy I receive
Speaker 1: in the world. So I mean, if I'm if I'm
Speaker 1: around a group of people, my my initial instinct is
Speaker 1: to bring the spirits of others up. So I kind
Speaker 1: of do that in the form of being a stand
Speaker 1: up comedian. I kind of do that in the form
Speaker 1: of being courteous and uh and charismatic and gentle to others.
Speaker 1: But when when I'm when I'm receiving toxic energy or
Speaker 1: or hearing things that I mean that are coming from
Speaker 1: a place of love. But yeah, I just I need
Speaker 1: to be more open and understanding kind of like you're saying.
Speaker 2: But you. But I also I think that what you're
Speaker 2: talking I think everything you're talking about is is sort
Speaker 2: of a natural process of maturity that you go. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're still still young man. I think. I think I'll
Speaker 2: let you go in a sec But I I think
Speaker 2: that the hunches that you have to make more of
Speaker 2: your life and do more things and try to put
Speaker 2: yourself out there by you know whatever, going on a
Speaker 2: cruise line or maybe doing like a work away or
Speaker 2: some shit, I think they're great hunches. And I and
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of the things you're going
Speaker 2: for sort of emotionally or spiritually, they kind of come
Speaker 2: as a result of like natural maturity. So I just
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you go, but I'll say don't let
Speaker 2: just don't let just don't let yourself go too crazy,
Speaker 2: and try to let people help you if they feel like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they feel like you need help. Mason, is there anything
Speaker 2: else you want to say to the people of the
Speaker 2: computer before we go.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily to the computer, I do have a thought
Speaker 1: for you. Have you ever thought about doing a therapy
Speaker 1: get go podcast out of an airplane as you're actively
Speaker 1: skydiving for the first time, or if you if you
Speaker 1: haven't been skydiving before. I think that would be a
Speaker 1: good piece of content.
Speaker 2: I unfortunately hate that idea.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not interested in, Yeah I do. I I'm
Speaker 2: not interested in like extreme sports or things that in
Speaker 2: like any kind of like physical danger, right, But I
Speaker 2: like But I appreciate the idea. I appreciate the idea.
Speaker 2: I think I would. No, I would, I would ship
Speaker 2: my pants. There's way, but there's there's way other things
Speaker 2: that I would rather do than skydive. But who knows.
Speaker 1: Then the people, the computer. I just want to say,
Speaker 1: live and let live, and I mean be the best
Speaker 1: version of yourself every day.
Speaker 2: So beautiful. Thanks for listen, Thanks for the kind words
Speaker 2: you have about the podcast, Thanks for sharing your story,
Speaker 2: and I'll uh I'll see you around the universe.
Speaker 1: Misson absolutely man, thank you for the time. Take care
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 3: Know.
Speaker 2: It's funny he said he's listened to every episode. I
Speaker 2: wonder if he's gonna listen back to himself on this episode.
Speaker 2: That could be crazy. That could be crazy. I liked
Speaker 2: that conversation. Yeah, I do feel like I actually I
Speaker 2: feel I felt a lot in common with Mason, like
Speaker 2: like thinking about like me at twenty one, Not so
Speaker 2: much the existential stuff. I wasn't particular I was maybe
Speaker 2: I was a little bit existential when I was twenty
Speaker 2: I was definitely a little bit existential when I was
Speaker 2: twenty one, not to the degree that I am now
Speaker 2: or to the degree that I think Mason might be.
Speaker 2: But I definitely had the same sort of adventurous spirit
Speaker 2: or desire to find something beyond what I what I knew.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I think he'll arrive at certain
Speaker 2: places again through just some natural maturity. And that was
Speaker 2: and that was that call, and I am a gecko.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hi, I'm Cora. Wow, this is crazy. How's it going?
Speaker 2: Uh? You know, actually this morning is going good. I
Speaker 2: feel good. I'm here on the earth. I'm asking a
Speaker 2: lot of questions to my brain, but you know, doing
Speaker 2: the best, doing the best I can. How are you doing, Coorra?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty good? You know, I'm feeling I remember
Speaker 3: you told the listener one time, is the least important
Speaker 3: conversation that you'll ever have. I'm trying to tell myself
Speaker 3: that right now. Yeah, you know is doing pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, breakout work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is among one of the least important conversations
Speaker 2: I think you'll have. What's what's your life like side
Speaker 2: of this conversation.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm a trans woman. Uh. I just moved to
Speaker 3: Seattle from the Midwest, so that's a pretty interesting change.
Speaker 3: I'm living with a couple, so it's me and then
Speaker 3: two people that are dating in a two bedroom, which
Speaker 3: is only the second weirdest roommate situation I've had. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that's pretty much what my life looks like right now.
Speaker 2: Why is that a weird situation for you? Is it?
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you're third wheeling these people?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, it's it's like chill, we're all we're
Speaker 3: all like queer, so it's not like super awkward.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: I think we've avoided awkward situations so far. But you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes I got to set boundaries, you know, got to
Speaker 3: be like, don't share, don't be intimate around me, you know,
Speaker 3: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: What was the other roommate situation that you were in?
Speaker 3: My ex? So I lived with my ex for like, wow,
Speaker 3: I just saw someone run over a traffic cop and
Speaker 3: that's crazy A sorry. So I lived with my ex
Speaker 3: for like a year after we broke up, and that
Speaker 3: was the weirdest roommate situation I think I have ever
Speaker 3: been in. And I think I mean, obviously that's already weird,
Speaker 3: but it was mainly weird because they started dating someone
Speaker 3: like very shortly after we broke up and continued to
Speaker 3: live together.
Speaker 2: Did they have the person that they were dating over
Speaker 2: the house while you guys were living together?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Were you guys sharing like a one bedroom or a
Speaker 2: studio or did Aulae have your own room?
Speaker 3: So I had my own room. We shared a wall,
Speaker 3: so I did hear some things. It's kind of weird,
Speaker 3: kind of felt like I was sitting in the cuck
Speaker 3: chair sometimes, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Whose idea was it to break up.
Speaker 1: Theirs?
Speaker 2: Ah? Yeah, yeah, it was like yeah, yeah, go ahead, Oh.
Speaker 1: No it was. It was just like.
Speaker 3: A bad relationship though, So I think they're kind of valid,
Speaker 3: you know, I think we were just we were together
Speaker 3: for like four and a half years or something when
Speaker 3: we broke up, and I'm twenty four. I just turned
Speaker 3: twenty four, so like we were together for like since
Speaker 3: like high school, so you know.
Speaker 2: And are you outdating anyone? Now? Are you? What are
Speaker 2: you doing?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. You know, I've been thinking about getting on
Speaker 3: dating apps. I feel like i've kind of I've not
Speaker 3: been dating or been interested in anything romantic since I moved.
Speaker 3: I don't know why. I feel like I've just been
Speaker 3: like since I was in a relationship for so long,
Speaker 3: I've just been like enjoying doing my own saying, oh
Speaker 3: my god, mm.
Speaker 2: Hm m hm uh what is it? What is your
Speaker 2: own thing that you've been doing?
Speaker 3: Well, I let's see. My big three hobbies are like music,
Speaker 3: video games, and I make like YouTube videos. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I would say, I feel that's a weird. I feel
Speaker 3: like we're bringing up YouTube videos on your podcast.
Speaker 1: Sorry that I was, well, I.
Speaker 2: Was gonna ask. I was gonna ask what kind of
Speaker 2: YouTube videos? What kind of YouTube videos?
Speaker 3: So I got I just started a podcast actually, And
Speaker 3: then I also make me and one of my roommates
Speaker 3: makes We both make video essays and I I edit
Speaker 3: them and stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the thing, what was the last thing you
Speaker 2: made a video essay about?
Speaker 3: Well, the last thing I'm The thing I'm about to
Speaker 3: upload is so I make anime videos. But like I'm
Speaker 3: also queer, So I want to get like a queer audience, right,
Speaker 3: So I thought, what better thing to cover than to
Speaker 3: talk about futinari? What the you know that is?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I probably I I what is what is Fuinariutinari?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to be the caller that teaches you
Speaker 3: about futinari.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this.
Speaker 3: Is essentially like Tai you know head Tai. It's that
Speaker 3: but with girls with like massive penises, and that's essentially.
Speaker 1: The whole meme.
Speaker 3: And my video was on whether or not it's representation
Speaker 3: because it's kind of fetishizing.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of just like.
Speaker 3: A pseudo intellectual video essay about that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, can I I'm very curious about
Speaker 2: what you think about this? Is like, is is the idea?
Speaker 2: And I don't know, maybe this is a stupid thing
Speaker 2: to talk about. But like in the current world right
Speaker 2: where like everyone like we're no longer living in a
Speaker 2: mono culture, like is representation still a thing because like
Speaker 2: we're all kind of representing ourselves on the internet now,
Speaker 2: So it's like I don't, well, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm curious what you think because like I
Speaker 2: don't know, do we need like, do are people still
Speaker 2: like hung up about like representation and like mainstream media
Speaker 2: if there isn't any mainstream media really, I mean there
Speaker 2: still is, I guess mainstream media, but it's like dying,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like when you because like when
Speaker 2: you scroll on TikTok or Instagram reels, you already get
Speaker 2: like you're algorithmically you're presented with representations of yourself like naturally,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't I'm just spitballing ideas here.
Speaker 2: But what do you think about that?
Speaker 3: No, that's so real because like before you page, my
Speaker 3: for you page is all people that are like me.
Speaker 3: It's all great people and other than like stuff that
Speaker 3: goes viral and just ends.
Speaker 1: Up there naturally.
Speaker 3: Like it's mostly people that are like me. So I
Speaker 3: am represented by my social media and takes. That's an
Speaker 3: interesting point. I feel like a lot of people have
Speaker 3: been like just like so disillusioned by popular media like
Speaker 3: move like Marvel movies. For example, they were going to
Speaker 3: release a comic for Marvel called Snowflake and Safe Space,
Speaker 3: and it was supposed to be representation for non binary superheroes.
Speaker 3: But it's like obviously that's so cringe to have a
Speaker 3: superhero called Snowflake and safe space. And I feel like
Speaker 3: that's a great example of like, yeah, we don't need
Speaker 3: representation when it's like a billion dollar corporation. They don't
Speaker 3: know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: We're not even looking for that anyways.
Speaker 2: Right right, I mean kind of like, you know, I
Speaker 2: guess who gives a shit what like the billion dollar
Speaker 2: or whatever. I don't know. I feel like social media,
Speaker 2: although people have demonized lots of aspects of it, it
Speaker 2: has allowed for greater democratization of the media landscape. You know, well,
Speaker 2: I got okay, I got a question for you, So listen,
Speaker 2: as a queer person, how do you feel when like
Speaker 2: what a target or whatever, or like like during Pride Month,
Speaker 2: right when all these companies are like, hey, look we
Speaker 2: have a ring, we changed our profile picture to the
Speaker 2: rainbow flag. But it's still like, you know, we're doing
Speaker 2: a bunch of crazy stuff behind the scenes, Like does
Speaker 2: is that do anything for you? You know?
Speaker 3: I have a funny anecdote about this. There was like
Speaker 3: a viral video of someone like trashing of Barnes and
Speaker 3: Noble Pride display. So it's like from down the street,
Speaker 3: from where it grew up, like at my Barnes and Nobles,
Speaker 3: and I think that was.
Speaker 1: Like two years ago.
Speaker 3: This year, companies did not really do the whole Pride thing,
Speaker 3: and I think it's because of stuff like that where
Speaker 3: people were coming in and like screaming about like tucking underwear.
Speaker 3: You know, I wish stuff like that, you know, Like
Speaker 3: the Target specifically is tragic because like sometimes they do
Speaker 3: be having cute stuff at Target, you know, like yeah,
Speaker 3: and it really depends on the store. Also, I saw
Speaker 3: there's like always a meme like a Cracion Pride profile picture,
Speaker 3: you know, like you're telling me Pride profile picture, Like okay,
Speaker 3: but I guess I.
Speaker 2: Don't like when you see that, you know, and it's
Speaker 2: got like like like the trans flag in it, Like
Speaker 2: does that do anything for you? Does that make you feel?
Speaker 2: Is that do you like that stuff? Uh?
Speaker 3: No, It's I feel like it's more of a meme.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's kind of like an indicator of
Speaker 3: just like whoever's president, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 3: how like.
Speaker 1: How which which way.
Speaker 3: The tides turning in terms of which is more profitable,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 3: It's more of like a yeah, No, it doesn't do
Speaker 3: anything for me. It's just more interesting.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. What you what, you grew up in the Midwest?
Speaker 3: Yes, I grew up in Arizona, so kind of Midwest
Speaker 3: kind of okay?
Speaker 2: Was there a lot of queer culture in the Arizona.
Speaker 3: There is a lot of queer culture, or in Arizona.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a weird state because everything's so spread
Speaker 3: out and it's so hot, so no one fucking goes outside.
Speaker 3: So the community there is very like spread out and
Speaker 3: not very centralized. But there are a lot of gay
Speaker 3: people that live in Arizona.
Speaker 2: Were you in a major city or were you in
Speaker 2: kind of a smaller place.
Speaker 3: I was in a major city, so I went to Asu,
Speaker 3: and yeah, so that area was pretty gay. But there's
Speaker 3: also a lot of everyone there because international students and
Speaker 3: just everyone in college town, you know. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: think Arizona.
Speaker 1: Is like very weird.
Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, obviously all the young people are
Speaker 3: like general like West Coast demographic, but also like we
Speaker 3: have so many boomers that are just giving, like straight,
Speaker 3: like midwestern small town like evangelical Christian, Like who am
Speaker 3: I about to talk to right now? When I'm going
Speaker 3: for the fries, you know, likeice old lady or like
Speaker 3: crazy person. You know, that's kind of how it fell
Speaker 3: for me. I don't know if this is like the
Speaker 3: same experience for anyone listening. Obviously, I'm a trans woman,
Speaker 3: so I kind of view it through like a more
Speaker 3: bias lens. I'm sure it's trail for some people.
Speaker 2: But yeah, And how has Seattle been in comparison just
Speaker 2: I mean sort of just in general?
Speaker 3: Oh oh, it's awesome. I mean for queer people, this
Speaker 3: is like the best place to be I'm telling you
Speaker 3: Capitol Hill and like just Seattle in general, there's like
Speaker 3: I mean, I actually am seeing people like same sex
Speaker 3: couple's hold hands in public, which is something I had
Speaker 3: never seen before, like outside of Pride Parade. So that's interesting.
Speaker 3: I think also people in Seattle, it's kind of funny
Speaker 3: people in Seattle suck and saying hi to you on
Speaker 3: the street. I don't know, what do you think do
Speaker 3: you enjoy when people say, like, hey, how are you?
Speaker 2: They suck at saying hi? Well, I feel like in
Speaker 2: any big city you're not going to get people saying
Speaker 2: hi to you on the street.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're in New Yorker. Can people do that there?
Speaker 2: No, of course not definitely. Not well, because there's so
Speaker 2: many people, Like saying hi on the street is like, well,
Speaker 2: let me think. No, I mean when I go back
Speaker 2: home to Baltimore, like to the suburbs, like I'll say
Speaker 2: hi to somebody if I pass by them in the suburbs.
Speaker 2: But that's not I don't think that's really a thing
Speaker 2: that happens in a big city.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I guess if there's so many people, you can't say
Speaker 3: to everyone.
Speaker 2: Right right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Maybe like yeah, no, no, it's not really a big
Speaker 2: saying hi to people town. What do you what's so
Speaker 2: you're living with this couple there right, yes, okay, how
Speaker 2: do you know them?
Speaker 1: Where?
Speaker 2: They just ran? The people from craig list or are
Speaker 2: your friends?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: So one of them is like my best friend.
Speaker 1: We moved.
Speaker 3: He actually asked me to move here first, and I
Speaker 3: was like okay, sure. So we moved here together and
Speaker 3: then he started dating someone like pretty fast, just because
Speaker 3: he's like very like social and on dating apps and stuff,
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, it just ended up working out that
Speaker 3: the U haul lesbian. I don't know if you've heard
Speaker 3: that term, you haul lesbian?
Speaker 2: But what is a lesbian?
Speaker 1: So a U haul.
Speaker 3: Lesbian is when two people, two queer people start great
Speaker 3: and so U haul lesbian applies to woman, but it
Speaker 3: could be anyone. And it's essentially when the relationship moves
Speaker 3: really fast in terms of like, oh, we met two
Speaker 3: days ago and now we're like moving in together, you know,
Speaker 3: so we already got the U haul. So it's called
Speaker 3: it U haul lesbian?
Speaker 2: Is that a I feel I feel like And this
Speaker 2: is purely like anecdotal observation, Like, I feel like, do
Speaker 2: do queer relationships tend to move quicker than straight relationships? M?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Why do you?
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 3: Because straight people have a stick up their butt?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: I feel like the process of a straight relationship first
Speaker 3: date is removing the stick up your butt and then
Speaker 3: you can talk like normal people, you know, like everyone's
Speaker 3: so scared. I feel like queer people like you already
Speaker 3: have like such like a huge life experience in common.
Speaker 3: You are you can kind of get past that like
Speaker 3: awkward face. I feel like a bit easier interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you're just more comfortable.
Speaker 2: I don't know, is there do you think? Like again,
Speaker 2: anecdotally from your experience, do you have you found like
Speaker 2: that queer people have been more like generally wired for
Speaker 2: like down for like monogamy from the start, because I
Speaker 2: feel like, well, like in straight relationships, I feel like, uh,
Speaker 2: in general, there's a lot of like hesitancy for commitment
Speaker 2: and you know, oh maybe you know, in the world
Speaker 2: of infinite possibilities, is there someone else better out there?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Do we want to move things so fast?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Do you feel like there's less of that in the
Speaker 2: in the queer community?
Speaker 3: Is there less I'm sorry, what was the last part
Speaker 3: of the question.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, just just like, uh, a fear of commitment.
Speaker 2: I'll put it short.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, no, I'm back on track. Yeah, So I
Speaker 3: mean it's more like you can.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess it's per person I wouldn't want to generalize
Speaker 3: fear of commitment as like a queer thing or not
Speaker 3: a queer thing, but I feel like maybe I feel
Speaker 3: like maybe queer people just like lack community from spaces
Speaker 3: where it's offered normally, like maybe family or like friends
Speaker 3: or maybe like in schooling, Like if you're like not
Speaker 3: in an accepting area, I feel like stuff like that
Speaker 3: makes you like want to move faster in your relationship
Speaker 3: because you want to like feel what you don't have,
Speaker 3: and normally you don't need to do that in a
Speaker 3: relationship to get those things, you know, Like there's lots
Speaker 3: of found family, so I feel like it kind of
Speaker 3: it kind of has to relate to that also, so
Speaker 3: it's kind of an incentive to commit as supposed to
Speaker 3: fear of commitment. To bring it back to your question,
Speaker 3: I feel like there's more of an incentive to commit
Speaker 3: for like community, Like you're all in the same community anyways.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting. What about you personally? How's your Are you like
Speaker 2: trying to find a husband or a wife or like
Speaker 2: what is your what's your goal?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, I thought I was in the men for so long,
Speaker 3: but I think I really just want a wife, you know,
Speaker 3: or a girlfriend. I don't want to get married, honestly.
Speaker 3: It was kind of speaking a fear of commitment. I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to get married. That's scary. But yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I've been thinking of getting on dating apps. But I
Speaker 3: also want to see if like going to like third
Speaker 3: spaces or shared spaces for like my interests would help
Speaker 3: me find and meet people because I just moved here,
Speaker 3: so I need to like go out and like find things,
Speaker 3: do my weekly thing, so I don't kill myself, you know,
Speaker 3: like that one guy said magic on Monday, So I
Speaker 3: don't kill myself.
Speaker 2: It's true. You got to have something to make a
Speaker 2: say don't kill yourself. It's very important. Yeah, it's very important.
Speaker 2: Do you have a job of some kind out there?
Speaker 3: Yes, without docting myself, I work at car dealerships, so
Speaker 3: it's a very not queer job. It's kind of the opposite. Actually,
Speaker 3: it's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me more. How has that experience been.
Speaker 3: So I work on like the I work like non sales.
Speaker 3: I work in service, so when I talk to salespeople,
Speaker 3: it's always like in passing. So this is where I
Speaker 3: get a lot of like oh, people stuck and saying hello.
Speaker 3: Like so these are like my coworkers that I never
Speaker 3: have to talk to, but we see each other every day,
Speaker 3: and they all suck at communicating, specifically at this dealership
Speaker 3: that I'm at right now. I feel like everyone sucks
Speaker 3: at communicating except for me, and car dealerships are just
Speaker 3: like that out here. I don't know everyone like so focused. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm basically salespeople are so focused on selling cars that
Speaker 3: they're kind of rude, and then the service texts are
Speaker 3: all just like dude bros. So if you're one of
Speaker 3: those types of people, it's great. But yeah, no, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of just here because it makes me some money.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You know, what do you work in? Do you are?
Speaker 2: You do work in sales or you do you like
Speaker 2: get commissions and stuff?
Speaker 3: So I work in service, so I like work on
Speaker 3: the electricity. I'm like twelve o'ol, so that like I
Speaker 3: work on cars, like the electricity part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, it's not very int. What's your name
Speaker 2: in Karra?
Speaker 1: Cora?
Speaker 2: Cora? Uh? What's your I guess before we go? Well,
Speaker 2: you know, I want to ask you this, Quorra, because
Speaker 2: I know we just kind of chatted for twenty minutes,
Speaker 2: but was there a particular thing you wanted to talk
Speaker 2: about when you called?
Speaker 3: I feel like I steered the conversation towards all the
Speaker 3: topics I would talk about, honestly.
Speaker 2: Perfect. So what's next for you, Kara? What's your dream
Speaker 2: in life? What?
Speaker 1: What? Uh? What's an influencer?
Speaker 2: I want to be an influencer.
Speaker 3: Or work for someone. This isn't I'm not doing the
Speaker 3: critch thing where people call it as for jobs. I
Speaker 3: would never do that, but I w it's either that
Speaker 3: or like be an editor for someone like a YouTuber,
Speaker 3: you know. So those are my two things I'm working
Speaker 3: on right now. So I've been editing my podcast and
Speaker 3: I got my friends YouTube channel in mine and just
Speaker 3: autistically doing that over and over again. So yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Your and have you uploaded a video essay before? Is
Speaker 2: this your debut?
Speaker 3: I've had I've done three four, but two of them
Speaker 3: my first one is pretty so. My first one's bad,
Speaker 3: my second one's pretty good. I'm uploading a third one
Speaker 3: and then I have a couple on my friend's channel.
Speaker 3: I'm starting out, though it's pretty debut. No subscribers, have
Speaker 3: you got any?
Speaker 2: Have you got any any buzz on any of them?
Speaker 2: Or at least because there's the thing, right, it's not
Speaker 2: about like going viral or getting a ton of views,
Speaker 2: but like if you post a video essay, right and
Speaker 2: you get like three comments from people you don't know,
Speaker 2: that's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think I found it that So yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree. I'm not really like focused on the numbers.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of more focused on how much I can
Speaker 3: engagement I get with people. So, like one of them,
Speaker 3: I posted about how this anime character is trans and
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't think that they're trands. It's
Speaker 3: from this anime called Rama one Half or Context for
Speaker 3: anyone that knows that show. That got like five hundred views,
Speaker 3: but it got like a hundred comments of people arguing
Speaker 3: in the comments. Yeah, because that's what you're on like
Speaker 3: a controversial topic.
Speaker 2: Yeah right right, so yeah, that's what people I think,
Speaker 2: you know, people don't understand about like building Internet careers
Speaker 2: or whatnot. Is it's not about like how many views
Speaker 2: or followers someone or something has. It's more about like
Speaker 2: how many comments there are because that that that's a
Speaker 2: representation of like how many actual human beings are genuinely
Speaker 2: engaging in the things that you are saying and doing.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I think it's so cool. I actually get
Speaker 3: like that feedback, especially on YouTube when it's like delayed.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's very fun. It's like instead of
Speaker 3: it's like turning in like a video assignment for a class,
Speaker 3: but instead of a teacher, it's like a bunch of
Speaker 3: like random.
Speaker 1: Twelve year old boys on the.
Speaker 3: I like, how did I do.
Speaker 2: I like that analogy. Yeah it is. It's like you're
Speaker 2: writing an s say for school, except instead of a teacher,
Speaker 2: it's a bunch of twelve year olds on YouTube that
Speaker 2: are giving you the grains. That's very funny. Well, Coora Uh,
Speaker 2: if you want, you can shut yourself out.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So I my.
Speaker 3: Video essay channel is Cora Lex c O R A
Speaker 3: L e X, and then my podcast is called Pleasers
Speaker 3: and you can really just called, like type in pleezers
Speaker 3: Cora lex.
Speaker 1: And it pops up.
Speaker 2: Cora Lex. Anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 2: people of the computer before we go go outside.
Speaker 3: Don't be afraid of making eye contact with people. You
Speaker 3: look silly. I am someone that starts being afraid of
Speaker 3: eye contact. I'd be looking at people ignoring me, and
Speaker 3: that looks silly. We all got to start talking to
Speaker 3: each other more, That's what I think.
Speaker 2: Stare at everyone.
Speaker 3: Yes, therapy, pople in public.
Speaker 2: Beautiful, take care of court.
Speaker 1: Yep, you two fine?
Speaker 2: That was fun. What was the thing? Foo? Put foo
Speaker 2: something something of the foo Kora Lex. Let's go I'm
Speaker 2: gonna check her out. Let's see Cora Lex YouTube dot com,
Speaker 2: slash kora Lex. Oh, okay, This is not what I
Speaker 2: was expecting to come up when I typed it. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a skateboarding person. This is definitely not the
Speaker 2: right thing. Okay, I'm just gonna search Kora lex On.
Speaker 2: Oh harah, here we go, Here we go. Did trans
Speaker 2: people ruin anime? I think that I think that's the
Speaker 2: one that that that they're talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I like this format. This is cool. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of people in the comments talking about
Speaker 2: each other. That was good. This is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like I like make I like when people make stuff.
Speaker 2: I think it's good to make stuff rock and roll. Hey,
Speaker 2: what's up, folks. I'm gonna end this episode by doing
Speaker 2: a little bit of gak mail. Uh. If you're not familiar,
Speaker 2: gek mail is a thing that I do where I
Speaker 2: uh read viewer mail and uh if you want to
Speaker 2: me to read an email that you have sent, you
Speaker 2: can send me an email at therapy gecko mail at
Speaker 2: gmail dot com and I might perhaps read your email.
Speaker 2: So let's, uh, let's start reading a few emails, shall we. Okay,
Speaker 2: this first one is from Valentine. The subject line is
Speaker 2: all caps. We are sinners. Valentine says dear Lyle, I've
Speaker 2: been listening to your podcast since the pandemic and I
Speaker 2: wanted to thank you and the listeners for bringing together
Speaker 2: so many stories. Thank you, Valentine on twenty six from Vienna, Australia.
Speaker 2: And am not religious by any means, but this New
Speaker 2: Year I walked past a church and thought about going
Speaker 2: in for confession, mainly because therapy is so expensive and
Speaker 2: religions use many tools like meditation that are used in
Speaker 2: therapy too. However, I didn't go in. It's fine. I've
Speaker 2: thought about doing a confession once. I don't know can
Speaker 2: Jews go to confession? I feel like that. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's who gives it? No one. I think they just
Speaker 2: let you in. I think he's to do it anyway.
Speaker 2: After giving it some thought, I realized that most of
Speaker 2: the sins quote unquote discussed and confession are religious in nature. Parentheses, blasphemy, masturbation,
Speaker 2: primarital sex, etc. And I don't feel bad about participating
Speaker 2: in those things. When I got home, I kept thinking
Speaker 2: about what I would have said if I had gone in.
Speaker 2: At first, I couldn't come up with anything. This felt strange,
Speaker 2: because of course we all do things that aren't okay,
Speaker 2: even if unintentionally. The more I thought about it, the
Speaker 2: more I spiraled into overthinking may and other's actions and
Speaker 2: whether they are morally right and respectful. I wonder how
Speaker 2: many people find the balance between being self serving and
Speaker 2: empathetic for the community when the line is evil and
Speaker 2: when uh? I wonder how many people find the balance
Speaker 2: between being self serving and empathetic for the community and
Speaker 2: when the line of evil is drawn? And how conscious
Speaker 2: all those good and evil people in the world are.
Speaker 2: One of the sins that came to mind had to
Speaker 2: do with Eric, the man from the Australian Homeless shelter.
Speaker 2: The man oh oh, the man from the Austrian homeless shelter. Okay, wait,
Speaker 2: I remember this. Do you guys remember a phone call
Speaker 2: that I took on here? I think I think this
Speaker 2: is a yeah, this is a This is a person
Speaker 2: who is referencing a phone call I took on here
Speaker 2: from this guy, this Austrian dude named Eric who worked
Speaker 2: at a homeless shelter. One of the things that came
Speaker 2: to mind had to do with Eric the man from
Speaker 2: the Austrian Homeless Shelter. In the chat when I was
Speaker 2: streaming this on Twitch, In the chat, I commented that
Speaker 2: I'd love to get in contact with him to go
Speaker 2: to your show in Cologne, and he replied that we
Speaker 2: should get in touch. Interesting, however, I completely ghosted him.
Speaker 2: At the time, I was broke from a trip I
Speaker 2: had just taken, under immense pressure to finish my experiments
Speaker 2: for my master's thesis and trying to find a PhD position.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, Eric was probably looking to get
Speaker 2: in touch with me and never got a reply. I'm sorry, Eric,
Speaker 2: I hope you can forgive me. I hope you and
Speaker 2: Eric had an amazing show in Cologne and that you'll
Speaker 2: come back to Europe Sunday. All the best, love your podcast. Okay,
Speaker 2: here's what I'm confused about. Is okay, when you say
Speaker 2: you ghosted him, right when you say you ghosted him,
Speaker 2: were you guys just in the twitch chat and you
Speaker 2: were like, hey, we should go to the show together,
Speaker 2: and he was like, yeah, we should and then you
Speaker 2: didn't say anything else. Is that really ghosting? Because look,
Speaker 2: here's the thing, right, we all know that we all
Speaker 2: know that some plans just don't make it out of
Speaker 2: the group chat. You know what I'm saying. Sometimes plans
Speaker 2: just don't make it out of the group chat. That's
Speaker 2: not really ghosting. Ghosting would be more like if you
Speaker 2: guys got in contact and the DMS and you were like, Hey,
Speaker 2: what time do you want to meet up on the
Speaker 2: day of the show?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: If it got to that point, then maybe it's ghosting.
Speaker 2: But if it was just like you brought it up
Speaker 2: in the chat, I don't think. I don't think you
Speaker 2: need to go to confession for that necessarily, But thank
Speaker 2: you for your thoughts, Valentine. Okay, let's see here. This
Speaker 2: is from Jeremy subject line open masturbation, second date. Hey, Geck,
Speaker 2: I had a girl over at my house hanging out. Okay,
Speaker 2: this person spelled girl with a U. It's not that important,
Speaker 2: but it's also a little important. I had a girl
Speaker 2: over at my house hanging out. We met on the
Speaker 2: apps hinge. Specifically, we were just chilling watching a show.
Speaker 2: No physical contact or intimacy had been performed at all
Speaker 2: thus far. This evening, we were watching Squid Game season three,
Speaker 2: and I get up to let my dog out, and
Speaker 2: when I come back, this girl is completely naked on
Speaker 2: my couch, legs spread open, using a mini vibrator, casually
Speaker 2: having an orgasm right there, right on my couch. Exclamation point.
Speaker 2: I see this and go oh sorry, turned around and
Speaker 2: walked back outside and came back a minute later. When
Speaker 2: I get back, she's dressed and sitting there watching TV
Speaker 2: like nothing happened. I sit back down and watch for
Speaker 2: about five minutes in complete silence before I ask her
Speaker 2: why she didn't just use the bathroom or something, and
Speaker 2: her response was, I just needed to have an orgasm.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm almost certain I'm asexual, but hate labels,
Speaker 2: so I just set her up on a date with
Speaker 2: a mate who's always horny. Lol. I'm Australian, by the way.
Speaker 2: Come to Cannaburra for a show. My confused regards Jeremy. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a what an awesome email. That's so funny.
Speaker 2: First of all, I you know, Jeremy, I have to say,
Speaker 2: I think if you're a sexual, that's all cool. I
Speaker 2: have such strong respect for you that, after all this happened,
Speaker 2: you just you set her up with one of your friends.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's a really good Uh, that's a really
Speaker 2: good move this woman. Clearly, I think if a woman
Speaker 2: comes to your house and then you go to the
Speaker 2: bathroom or some ship, and then she comes back, and
Speaker 2: then you come back and she's just naked. She's probably
Speaker 2: I would probably assume that she was into you, or
Speaker 2: she or something. I would probably that's a I think
Speaker 2: that's a fair assumption. Maybe she didn't know that you were,
Speaker 2: that you were asexual. I don't know. I don't this.
Speaker 2: I this is an interesting case to me. But you,
Speaker 2: I would ask your friend. I would be like, so,
Speaker 2: what what's up? Did you did? Did? Did? Did your
Speaker 2: friend and this lady go on a date? Did? Did?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: I'm cre I'm really curious about this lady. If your
Speaker 2: friend ends up going out with this lady and then
Speaker 2: gives you any more information, let me I send another
Speaker 2: email because I'm curious what this lady's deal is, because
Speaker 2: there's some something's going on. Maybe who knows. Not that
Speaker 2: it's any of my business, I guess, although I guess
Speaker 2: my entire show is about things that are none of
Speaker 2: my business. You're a good homie, Jeremy. Okay, this is
Speaker 2: from Brendan subject line stuck in my own brain. Hello, Lyle.
Speaker 2: I'll keep this as short as I can. Recently, I
Speaker 2: broke up with my partner and ever since it happened,
Speaker 2: I haven't changed for the better. I've been ignoring most
Speaker 2: social connections I had and feeling NonStop guilt for the
Speaker 2: breakup and also for being distant from the world. I
Speaker 2: can't stop feeling pathetic and scared to step back into
Speaker 2: the world despite how bad this is for my health.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been too depressed or distant to want
Speaker 2: to be a part of people's lives? If you have
Speaker 2: or haven't, do you have any advice on how to
Speaker 2: stay positive and go through life even when it seems
Speaker 2: impossible to do? Love? The podcast was a treat to
Speaker 2: see you alive later this year. If you read this
Speaker 2: higher a Koul guy anonymous. Oh okay, well all right,
Speaker 2: well we'll cut his name out. We'll just say this
Speaker 2: is from anonymous. Okay. I'm trying to think here. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think here, and this is a real this
Speaker 2: is a very much a real therapist type of a thing.
Speaker 2: But I am it does have me thinking about my
Speaker 2: own life. I think. I mean, I'm the kind of
Speaker 2: you know, there's two kinds of like depressed people, Like
Speaker 2: some people get depressed and they when some people when
Speaker 2: they get depress, say withdraw and they don't want to
Speaker 2: talk to anyone. And I've had I have tons of
Speaker 2: friends like that who they get depressed and they just
Speaker 2: ghost everyone and they don't want to be a part
Speaker 2: of people's lives. In my personal experience with depression, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of the opposite. When I get depressed, I want
Speaker 2: to okay, I'll say this, uh, when i'm you know,
Speaker 2: part of what I enjoy in my own life and
Speaker 2: is also my job, is like interfacing with new people
Speaker 2: and new experiences and trying to find interest in the
Speaker 2: world around me, and like I have, I have a
Speaker 2: part of my soul that like loves life and loves
Speaker 2: people and loves new experiences and wants to connect with
Speaker 2: as many folks as possible and engage in as many
Speaker 2: novel experiences as possible and whatnot. And when I get depressed,
Speaker 2: I absolutely distance myself from that part and I go, wow,
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about to anyone or anything,
Speaker 2: and I super distance myself from that. But when it
Speaker 2: comes to people I'm already connected with, like the people
Speaker 2: in my life, like my you know, my family and
Speaker 2: my like my my real friends and whatnot, when I
Speaker 2: get depressed, I tend to be drawn uh uh more
Speaker 2: towards then, if that makes sense. I typically crave social
Speaker 2: connection from people I already know when I'm depressed, but
Speaker 2: I lose the part of myself that wants to engage
Speaker 2: with the world at large. And so do I have
Speaker 2: any advice on how to stay positive and go through
Speaker 2: life even when it seems impossible to do? You know,
Speaker 2: within your ability. I don't know what your life looks
Speaker 2: like beyond just this email, but I've definitely had I've
Speaker 2: had periods of time where I was really depressed and
Speaker 2: I was like, I shouldn't bother dating or going out
Speaker 2: and doing anything because I'm just like, I don't I
Speaker 2: can't see why anyone would want to be around me
Speaker 2: right now because I'm just like such a I have
Speaker 2: no energy. And I think typically when I feel that way,
Speaker 2: it's a sign that I gotta go back in to
Speaker 2: the I call it the depression laboratory, where we gotta
Speaker 2: hit the drawing board. We gotta go, Okay, something something
Speaker 2: is not good here. Is it a medication thing, is
Speaker 2: it a is it a brain thing? Is it a whatever?
Speaker 2: We get we hit the drawing board. So I think
Speaker 2: when I feel this way, I just go back to
Speaker 2: the drawing board, and I go, okay, I'm clearly you
Speaker 2: can't force it. I don't think I'm just talking. I
Speaker 2: advice is one thing I can only I can only
Speaker 2: really just tell you my lived experience, and I found
Speaker 2: I can't force things when I'm depressed. So if I'm depressed,
Speaker 2: and that means I can't like whatever, go to some
Speaker 2: social event or you know, do this podcast or do
Speaker 2: something that demands of me, I don't try to force
Speaker 2: it because the idea of like you said it, you
Speaker 2: say in this email, do you have any advice on
Speaker 2: how to go through life? And even when it seems
Speaker 2: impossible to do it? Is if I'm in a situation
Speaker 2: where a thing seems impossible to do because of my
Speaker 2: mental health, I just don't do it, and I go, okay,
Speaker 2: let me go back to the depression laboratory and go, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I need to get more sleep, maybe I need
Speaker 2: to try some medication, maybe I need to do this
Speaker 2: that the other thing first before I begin to feel
Speaker 2: like myself. And then the things that were previously impossible
Speaker 2: to do, I'm like, oh, they were impossible to do
Speaker 2: because of something internal that I needed to work out
Speaker 2: first and now that I've worked them out, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I actually can interface with the world after kind of
Speaker 2: fixing myself a little bit. That's really how it's worked
Speaker 2: just for me in my life. So also, sometimes, bro,
Speaker 2: you just got to turn your shit off and back
Speaker 2: on again, you know what I'm saying. So you ever
Speaker 2: have a day, You ever have a day where you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we gotta this, we gotta give we gotta give up today.
Speaker 2: We'll try again tomorrow. I think I've brought this up
Speaker 2: on the podcast before, maybe, But doctor k who's great.
Speaker 2: You should check him out on YouTube. He goes by
Speaker 2: healthy gamer Gigi. He's like a he's an actual therapist.
Speaker 2: He's like a psychiatrist guy. I know he does a
Speaker 2: lot of mental health videos. But he talked about uh.
Speaker 2: He says he doesn't dip into reserves. He says he
Speaker 2: works hard, but he doesn't dip into reserves. And when
Speaker 2: he said that, I was like, that's fucking genius. So
Speaker 2: that's kind of how I do it is I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'll i'll be a part of other people's lives. I'll
Speaker 2: interface with the part of myself that wants to be
Speaker 2: in the world doing things, and I'll work as hard
Speaker 2: as I can, and I'll, you know, try as hard
Speaker 2: as I can. But once I sense in my brain
Speaker 2: and my body that I'm beginning to dip into reserves
Speaker 2: is when I stop and I go, Okay, time to
Speaker 2: turn this off and back on again. I don't know
Speaker 2: if that rant was helpful for you in any way,
Speaker 2: but good luck, Brendan. Okay, I'll take a I'll take
Speaker 2: one more viewer call.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: This is from We Found Love in an Email? Okay, Oh,
Speaker 2: this is from Elise. The subject line is we found
Speaker 2: Love in an email. Hey, Gek, you spoke to my
Speaker 2: boyfriend Bryce and I on Valentine's Day earlier this year.
Speaker 2: We were the couple who called in while sitting in
Speaker 2: a car outside the art museum. I fully, I not
Speaker 2: only fully remember this phone call, but I often think
Speaker 2: of it. Actually, I often think think of it. We
Speaker 2: were the couple who called in while sitting in a
Speaker 2: car outside the art museum. Thought to send a cute
Speaker 2: little update. We both cherish that episode. One thing I
Speaker 2: liked about this couple is I remember they were a
Speaker 2: little bit older and they were on like a What
Speaker 2: I liked I remember I liked this episode because these
Speaker 2: two they were a little bit older, and yet they
Speaker 2: were on a very teenage date. Like I remember being
Speaker 2: sixteen and I was on a date with a girl,
Speaker 2: like sitting in a car in a parking lot, and
Speaker 2: it just it feels like, you know, you have moments
Speaker 2: like that where you're like, all right, well that was
Speaker 2: all in high school, that's all gone. And I was
Speaker 2: talking to these two and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: they're they're still doing it, you know, So I thought
Speaker 2: it was cool. Okay. As a refresher, me and my
Speaker 2: boyfriend met in January of this year through hinge. Bryce
Speaker 2: had asked me to be official in March, and our
Speaker 2: relationship has grown so much since we last spoke to you.
Speaker 2: We've traveled together, met family members, connected on a very
Speaker 2: emotional level, and we can both confidently say that we've
Speaker 2: never felt safer with anyone before. I love that. And look,
Speaker 2: these guys met when they were twenty nine or something
Speaker 2: like that. For all you young folks out there afraid
Speaker 2: you'll never find love. In our episode, we had briefly
Speaker 2: spoke about how many tribulations it took to find each other.
Speaker 2: I'm writing this not only as a form of a
Speaker 2: love letter, but I also wanted anyone in the dating
Speaker 2: scene who hears slash reads this to feel inspired to
Speaker 2: keep putting this themselves out there. I'd like to see
Speaker 2: this as a pay it forward because there was a
Speaker 2: force in my life who inspired me to keep putting
Speaker 2: myself out there despite feeling hopeless toward dating. And if
Speaker 2: it wasn't for that, I would not have what I
Speaker 2: have today. So if you happen to read this, thank
Speaker 2: you and thank you for all you do. Much love,
Speaker 2: take care at least. Wow, that's a great email to
Speaker 2: end on. It's tough, man, it's tough. The apps are
Speaker 2: a grind. You know. Real life is tricky. It's hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard for men and women out there, and I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people they get a little disillusioned,
Speaker 2: especially if you know things haven't happened at certain periods
Speaker 2: of time where you may have expected them to have happened.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. I've talked about this on
Speaker 2: here before. My parents are divorced and they're both remarried,
Speaker 2: and they got divorced when they were in their fucking
Speaker 2: h I want to say my parents got divorced in
Speaker 2: like they're mid or late forties, and they're both remarried.
Speaker 2: And the people that my parents are remarried to, my
Speaker 2: stepmom and my stepdad are significantly better matches for them
Speaker 2: than each other. I mean shit, I think my dad
Speaker 2: met my step mom when he was fucking forty nine
Speaker 2: or forty eight, forty six, and they've they have a
Speaker 2: great relationship. They've been together for a while. My mom
Speaker 2: met my stepdad when she was at a similar age.
Speaker 2: They've been together for you know, they have a great relationship.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree. Just keep putting yourself out there. Life, life, life. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: this was a fun podcast. This was a good one.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Mason, Shout out to Cora. Thank you
Speaker 2: guys for calling, Thank you guys for emailing, Thank you
Speaker 2: guys for listening. Oh I am folks listening on Spotify
Speaker 2: or on any podcast form, although mainly Spotify. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be I So this is the last thing I'll say
Speaker 2: before we go. I made this video. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you guys remember a caller named Diego from an
Speaker 2: episode back in December of twenty twenty four or twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, But there was a caller there's this guy
Speaker 2: who called me on the show from Tijuana and we
Speaker 2: talked about the Tijuana breakdance scene. And I went to
Speaker 2: Tijuana a couple months ago to meet him in real life.
Speaker 2: And I made this little travelogue documentary video and actually,
Speaker 2: if you want to watch it on YouTube, it'll be
Speaker 2: It's out right now on my YouTube channel YouTube dot
Speaker 2: com slash Lyle Forever. But I'm also gonna try to
Speaker 2: post it on here on Spotify as like a video
Speaker 2: podcast episode on Friday, so look out for that. But
Speaker 2: if also, if you want to just watch it right now,
Speaker 2: you can watch it on my YouTube YouTube dot com
Speaker 2: slash Lyle Forever. It should be out by the time
Speaker 2: this podcast episode is out. Anything else that's it. Go
Speaker 2: watch that documentary. I hope. I want you guys to
Speaker 2: watch it because I worked hard on it and I
Speaker 2: want to make more of them, and if you watch it,
Speaker 2: it will it will make it so that I can
Speaker 2: make more around the world. Maybe I'll visit other callers.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll go to Kenya, maybe I'll go to Brazil,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll go to the Middle East. I want to
Speaker 2: do all that shit. Okay, I'm done ranting. I gotta
Speaker 2: get off. I gotta get out of here. But uh, okay,
Speaker 2: see you guys soon. Thank you. Hello, folks, it's Lyle here.
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