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Speaker 1: my life. Hello, welcome to another edition of Club Sha Shay.

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Speaker 1: I am your whole Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprietor

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Speaker 1: Club Sha Shay. And for the very first time, we

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Speaker 1: But she's not alone. She brought her son. Today on

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Speaker 1: the show, we have Pamela and Javelle McGee. How you doing, guys,

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Speaker 1: good good, good good Pamela, how was that introduction? It

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Speaker 1: was good, you said Pamela. And javel they nowadays Javela.

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Speaker 1: It's a javel and Javelle's mama. Well, how about let

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Speaker 1: give give you a p introduction. I'm here with Trojan Legend.

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Speaker 1: She's a two times she's a back to back NCA champ,

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Speaker 1: They're the first American mother and son duo to win

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Speaker 1: an Olympic gold medal? Is that better? Much better? Did

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Speaker 1: I can't. I can't forget your son. I can't forget

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Speaker 1: Pablo McGhee's son, JaVale McGhee, Free Time, NBA Champ, Grammy

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Speaker 1: I guess you call them a dream team. Everybody be

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Speaker 1: Doing real good? Pamela. When you see your son and

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Speaker 1: are you? How proud of him are you, I'm Javel.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I'm more proud of

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Speaker 1: I just really just admire him from afar. His resiliency

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Speaker 1: What I mean to Jabil? You first family? Well, Shannon,

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Speaker 1: Pamelas I mentioned you were the first in nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let y'all play this basketball, and y'all gonna

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00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,959
Speaker 1: be And we were. We were the first to win

425
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 1: from A I A w NC two A right, and

426
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 1: I was under that first customer title nine to get

427
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 1: a full ride scholarship right. So I was the beginning

428
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 1: of the whole really women's basketball revolution and the movement. So,

429
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, you birth, the son that played

430
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: it that plays in the NBA is won three championship.

431
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 1: Your birth, the daughter that plays in the w NBA

432
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 1: currently she's pursuing it in law school pursuing the law degree.

433
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: She's in law school. When you sit back, how do

434
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: you feel about that? Like? I didn't, you don't as

435
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: a single I didn't. No, I only think that I

436
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 1: that my son reminds me. I'm just thankful, I have

437
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: to say. But God, right, that's all I can say.

438
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 1: When you know, I just I just walk in humility. Uh.

439
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: And it wasn't always sunshine. I don't want people to

440
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: think that when he just woke up, it was a struggle. Right,

441
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: Javeil knows the struggle. And we remind each other of

442
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: the blessings that he just blessed his mam over the

443
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one ten miles on the bmw X five.

444
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: But this is my son. He hadn't talk me into

445
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: a Mama. I'm sitting in you a car. I'm saying

446
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 1: my car is good, it's paid for it. I'm sending

447
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 1: you a new car. He had to talk me into it. Yeah,

448
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: because I'm just thankful for whatever. I understand ja Veil's

449
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: point of view, because when you grow up I'm a

450
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm closer to your age that I am Javeil's. But

451
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: when you grew up in Rule South Georgia. You don't

452
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: have indoor plumbing, you don't have running water, you don't

453
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot your thousand square foot with

454
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: cement floors. Send a block and ten roof. Once you

455
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: make it, you want everybody that was a part of

456
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: that struggle, You want them to have. Javel wants you

457
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: to have because you are part of the struggle. You should,

458
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: you should, you know, And I have to get used

459
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: to that. You must do. I've always been the giver,

460
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, when you're a single mama, you you really

461
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: have to. I have to retrain myself for every dollar

462
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: putting kids through private school. You know, in AA you

463
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: travel right, and you know, and he grew shoes every

464
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: every three months. And I wanted to make sure that

465
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: he had the top education too. He's not only he's

466
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: an intellectual too, yes, and music too. So I wanted

467
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: him to be a full person because you know, basketball

468
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: is not who we are. Basketball is what we do.

469
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: Correct And sometimes you know, when we're in this this

470
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: fain bubble, you know that he gets you can get

471
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: caught up. But I always tell him, but god, you know,

472
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: stay right here, because one day the same people to say,

473
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: Hosanna Hosanna and say crucified, crucified. But you can always

474
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: know that you got somebody who go always have your back.

475
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: And no matter what I would tell you, whatever I

476
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: got you, don't nobody else got you. Mama. I got you, Javail.

477
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: When you you, you know better than anybody the sacrifice

478
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: and the struggle that your mama went through raising a

479
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: young man, a young black man, as a single mom,

480
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: doing everything. She talked about, putting you in private school,

481
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: She talked about aau travel, doing all the things, denying

482
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: herself possibly maybe a better car, maybe a nice address,

483
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: or maybe something just so javail her and your daughter,

484
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: your sister could have. When you think back and you're like, man,

485
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: my mom did all that, There's nothing I can accomplish,

486
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: because I know if she did that, she poured some

487
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: of what was in hurt in me. For sure. Every day,

488
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: every day I think about just the struggles that we

489
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: went through when I was younger, having a warn to

490
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: warm the water up with with a with a hot

491
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: in the microwave so I could take a shower or

492
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: wash up before school type stuff. Driving for living in Flint,

493
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: but going to Detroit Country Day, which is a high

494
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: private school, but we had to wake up early, like

495
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: six forty five, drive forty five minutes to school every

496
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: day coming from Flint, not being able to not being

497
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: able to have my friends come over my house because

498
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: at one point we were staying in the hotel. I

499
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: think it might my sophomore year in high school. So

500
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm going over my friend's house. Who's staying at Detroit Country,

501
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: Who living? Who planning in Detroit Church to day? Obviously

502
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: they got money, right I'm in, They're like who, they

503
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: got a pantry, they got multiple five rooms, they living.

504
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying that, but I want come, won't you go

505
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: to my house? Can't do it. I'm staying in the

506
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: hot in the hotel double bad. So the struggle that

507
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: I went through, the struggle that we went through, like

508
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: can nobody can ever take that from us? And I

509
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: don't care what she do to me, It don't matter.

510
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: She she can curse me out, call me this and that,

511
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: whatever she do, She's good with me for the rest

512
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: of my life, for the rest of her life because

513
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: because it's serious, the things she's been through. Just to

514
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: make sure I was good, Go ahead, Pamela, what were

515
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: you gonna so what the deal was, Shan, And it

516
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: is the fact that I could stay in an extended

517
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: state and I knew I had one bill because I

518
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: was stacking my chips. So he could go to this

519
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: private school. Say get your scholarship, but you still got

520
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: to pay your part, right, And that's what I had

521
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: to do coming out of a divorce that killed me

522
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: and so but you know, I put it all back together.

523
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: And people just think one day we woke up. No,

524
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: I did that raise both of 'em. Me went to

525
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: private schools. But one of the things he used to

526
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: say to me, he say, man, I never see you cry.

527
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, it's milk on the floor. What

528
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: were gonna do? You gotta get a mob trying ain't

529
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: gonna get that milk up song. We gotta get a mob. Wow, Flint,

530
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: you born a friend and you grew up. Yeah, but

531
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: look what I'm living in now. Yeah, look at you.

532
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: You probably got by ten thousand square feets women pool

533
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: what kid to ground up? Thanks to somebody said this

534
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: were you shorty? You gotta see that's see that's the

535
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: beauty of God. You gotta show the full picture, right, Flint?

536
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: What was it like? How different was it from you

537
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: growing up in Flint as opposed to Jabil and Jabil?

538
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: What was your experience Light and Flint and not because

539
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: when you hear Flint, the first thing you think of

540
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: is the water crisis. Obviously there's more to Flint than

541
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: just the water crisis. So what was it like for

542
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: you growing up in the sixties and seventies, Pamela and Flint? Well,

543
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: people don't understand. In the sixties and seven, Flint had

544
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: it going on, right, Not African Americans migrated from the

545
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: South because they had They was going into the shops right.

546
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: The factories was working, so we had good school systems.

547
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: There was a you know, Flint is the home of

548
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: the UAW and the building of the Mock Foundation was

549
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: built the four wheels, right, and so they donated a

550
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: lot in the city so we got per capita. Most

551
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: professional athletes that came in the NBA came out of

552
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: Flint mission per captin population. So we had a community

553
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: school director program. I played every sport there was. The

554
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: schools was open to nine o'clock at ninth and then

555
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 1: after the factories closed, that's when Flint became a different

556
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: different story. Bill Well, I didn't get the factory flint.

557
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: I got the post factory flint right, and uh, but

558
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. But when I was a kid,

559
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: you don't really know what you're in, Like you think

560
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: this is just normal because you didn't experience anything that

561
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So so it wasn't that

562
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: bad for me. But looking back, I'm like, Wow, after

563
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: I went up, when I got to the league, I

564
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: went back to one of the houses that I stayed in,

565
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: I think he was on Keys Street, and I'm looking

566
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: at it, like, how did I even Like, this is

567
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: like a thousand and twelve hundred square feet two bedroom,

568
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: Like how does this even work? Like? But and we

569
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: we one year we didn't have running water. We had

570
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: an empty lot next to us, like it was off.

571
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: But at the time that wasn't huh we had running water? Okay,

572
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: well we had, Well, it definitely wasn't. I ain't trying

573
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: to get into the real details of us having crackhead

574
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: neighbors who did our lawn, but to do it. I

575
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: ain't hating on that because we did. For the reason

576
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: why is because I had owned the house and I

577
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: owned it out right, and so I had we had

578
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: to do what we had to do. I didn't have

579
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: to own the house. No one's doubting that. No one's

580
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: doubting that you're good. You're good now, So that's all

581
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: that matters. Right. You ain't gotta cut no crackhead neighbors

582
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: at No, I don't thank you. No. And that's real.

583
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: All we were. We were and what was because and

584
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: then people don't understand. You know, you can life hit

585
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: you and you gotta do what you gotta do. Sure,

586
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: And that's why I just say, but God, I'm listening

587
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: at you talk. I'm listening at Ja veil. I'm watching

588
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: you too. You have a very different relationship than most

589
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: mothers and sons. Is it because you were a single

590
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: mother and for the longest time it was just you

591
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: and him? It is that the reason why me personally,

592
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: I feel like my mother had to she had to

593
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: be the father and the mother at the time, but

594
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: she also had to, Like I feel like when a

595
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: man raises a boy, he has that that time of Okay,

596
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: it's time for him to learn about this. It's time

597
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: for him to learn about that. But she seeing me,

598
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: she's like and looking at the world, She's like, No,

599
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: he needs to grow up. You know what I'm saying.

600
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard for a black man and to

601
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: survive in this in this world, so he needs to

602
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: grow up. So she used to really not not She

603
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: didn't get to be that soft mother where the father

604
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: got to be the disciplinarian. She was, Oh, you you

605
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: you weren't going well in practice this morning. All right,

606
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: We're waking up at six am tomorrow and running around

607
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: the school in the snow and timberlin boots. And I'm like,

608
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm crying running around the school and she like suck

609
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: it up, like no, no, nothing at all. After of course,

610
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: she's like, all good job, baby, all right, get you

611
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: as to school, you know what I'm saying. So so

612
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: so she was slightly a little bit She was slightly

613
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: a little bit tougher than I feel like the average

614
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: mother would be. But at the time that was necessary

615
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: for her right for me to be successful. It wouldn't

616
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: have worked if she would have did it any other way. Ahead.

617
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: What what what my goal was? And he would talk.

618
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: I said, you will not be a trifling black man.

619
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: So one thing that we can't control is work at

620
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: it right. And I had went into practice and he

621
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: was just no effort, just going through the motions. I said,

622
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: I worked my butt off to get you in this

623
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: private school. The least you can do. Everybody can out

624
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: shoot you, everybody can outreabout you. But work ethic, get

625
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: in there and work, and if you're not, you're gonna

626
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: do it my way. Because you're a black man in America,

627
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: we don't get second chances. We do right the first

628
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: time right, and sometimes I got extreme, but he got

629
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: the message. You're a very protective mom. And there is

630
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: a situation with shocked in a fool And I had

631
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: really never heard you talk. I knew who you were.

632
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: I know you know what your accomplishments were because I'm

633
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: in sports, I follow sports, I study sports. This was

634
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: really the first time I've ever heard you talk and

635
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: step out and I'm like, okay, when normally with mom

636
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: step out publicly, Oh there's a problem. Well, I mean,

637
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: and you gotta also understand that he got you know,

638
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: I had his his ghetto car revoked. You know, we

639
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: as African Americans and we are as athletes. You know,

640
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: we come from a fraternity, and we got a cold.

641
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: Right now, once you break that cold. And also I

642
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: told ja Belle, he forgot you in the league. I'm

643
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: from Flint, so I ain't scared, but he needed to

644
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: know who you went too far? And I always I

645
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: never apologized for protecting mining, right, Javelle didn't grow up

646
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: in the hood hood. I grew up in the hood hood, right.

647
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: And so after that whole experience, you know, Shot got

648
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: his his ghetto car revoked. Who need to be checked?

649
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: And he got checked? Jabe Jabel where I grew up at? Yeah,

650
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: Jabe said where he grew up at. I'm saying you

651
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't know, You wun't you wanted no drugs, and that

652
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't in the streets, right, That's what I'm saying.

653
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: You weren't in the streets because I was right there.

654
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You weren't in the streets. You

655
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't know whood. You know, you wouldn't know who you

656
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: addressed you on social media? You thought he stepped over

657
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: the lad Also, truthfully, at the time when it had happened,

658
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: well when it was happening, I wasn't in a position

659
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: to to really speak on it to where it would

660
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: get any any push, any cloud. If I would have

661
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: spoken it early on it was like, all right, whoever

662
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: Jabelle mcgids, right, you know what I'm saying that shock blah.

663
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: But when I got to go to the state and

664
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: we were winning, I was put in a position to where, Okay,

665
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: I can actually speak and have a voice and people

666
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: ask you can get it on a championship winning team exactly.

667
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: So it gave me that power to be like, all right,

668
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: now I can actually speak on it. Because if I

669
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: would have spoken it before them be like all right, cool,

670
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: and it still would have been going on, right, So

671
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: I found the opportunity to to actually speak on it,

672
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: and and and things were happening where he was putting

673
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: post stuff where it was like I would go coast

674
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: to coast and miss the lay up and then that's

675
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: on the show and I'm like, it's a mislayup, Like

676
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: that's extremely simple, Like let's not let's not overdo it.

677
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: It was just doing too much. So I mean, you

678
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: draw the line somewhere, and I had to, you know,

679
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: it was it was in the public, so I had

680
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: to put it out in the public and put it

681
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: on Twitter and say what I had to say. But

682
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: did you did you in shack have a conversation did

683
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: you dress? We never had a conversation. We see each

684
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: other crossing pass like all right, cool, what up? But

685
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: there's never no real conversation. But the thing about that

686
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: whole shack in the full era of when I was

687
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 1: on there is I didn't realize what it was doing

688
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: to my career until I got started to move on

689
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: to other teams. Right then. I would talk to other

690
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: coaches in the middle of the year, They'd be like,

691
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: I don't, I've I've I've always seen that shack and

692
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: food stuff and had to di for mental of you.

693
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: And I never knew, like, you're a smart kid, you're

694
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: extremely vocal, you're a great basketball player. I never but

695
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: it was it was it was slowly chipping away at

696
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: my reputation as a young, twenty four year old athletic

697
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: basketball player, young, excited, and it was just slowly chipping

698
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: away with every other coach in the league like now

699
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: we don't want him. We see what they're doing it

700
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: on shocking the food. But I mean, if you add

701
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: any low light of in you can add, you can

702
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: make a low light of Jordan right now. And if

703
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: you've never seen a highlight of him, you would think

704
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: he was the worst player in the world. So, I

705
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: mean it was definitely a down spiral ever since I

706
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: went on that ever since that show air of my career. Right, people,

707
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: we we understand this too. That's why the gold medal

708
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: is so powerful. And kids gotta see what what that

709
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: whole issue was bullying and we as African Americans, Yeah,

710
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: we could play the dozens and all that, but then

711
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: it becomes uh uh. The Bible says it's life and

712
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: death and the powerful tune. Right. We are taught to

713
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: uplift each other and speak true, right, And so I

714
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: hadn't get in it because of the black man that

715
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: I know already. Right, And then you know, and I've

716
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: never let anybody you know, disrespect and get taken to

717
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: the hood when we and this is our jobs and

718
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: with reception nor hearing you, but the people perception of

719
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: you is their reality. If somebody don't know you what

720
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: they perceived you, that's who you are, exactly like you said,

721
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: the coaches had this perception because that's what they sought.

722
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: They didn't know it. You never once they get a

723
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: chance to know you. Like but hold on, you're not

724
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: a dunce, You're not of a food. You're actually intellectual,

725
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: you actually thoughtful, you can actually play, you can actually

726
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: contribute to a winning to winning basketball. Sure, it's definitely,

727
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: it's definitely. It's definitely perception. Man perception changes everything. And

728
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: and ever since I was ever since they was like, okay,

729
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: we're not posting you on that show anymore, all I've

730
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: been doing is just trying to build my reputation back up,

731
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: build more and more into my brand, make my brand

732
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: better and better. And that's all I've been doing ever

733
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: since you were in DC PABLA. Give me a second.

734
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: I want I would ask him, because I've got Gilbert side.

735
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: I want to get your side. You were there with

736
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: Gilbert in the gun situation with a Jarvis. What actually happened?

737
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: So we're playing we're playing cards on the what was

738
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: the name of the card games in between boy okay okay, boom?

739
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: A game called bourey on on the on the card game.

740
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: I think it's uh Earl, my guy earl right here,

741
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: Gil right there, Javars right here, and somebody else right here.

742
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think it was a five man game.

743
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: And we're playing our old earl some money right and

744
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: I have like a y because I keep I'm winning.

745
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: I have like a wide in my hand. So earl like,

746
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: can I give my money? I'm like, I got you, bro.

747
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: After the plane, bro, or next flight, because that's the rule.

748
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: You paid next flight, You're gonna pay right now, right,

749
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: that's the real next flight. So I got you, I'm saying.

750
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: Then Javar's chimes in. It's like, man, you can't have

751
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: the money in your hand and not pay him. Why

752
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: are you speaking on another man of money? And then

753
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: and then Gill speaks to Javars and it's like, why why,

754
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: why why are you worried about his day? Business? Ain't

755
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: nothing to do with y'all. Okay, So they go at it,

756
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: words exchange, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that,

757
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: and then Gills like, all right, do it whatever. So

758
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: we get off the plane, we go our separate ways.

759
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: You think it's over, weird. I think it's over. I

760
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: don't think people were really, you know what I'm saying,

761
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: doing what they're doing. So we get to the I

762
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: don't know if it's the next day or or day after.

763
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: When we get to the to the locker room, I

764
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: get in a little bit later than them two got in,

765
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: so they like, man, they tripping people, telling me like

766
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: they're going crazy. And there he brought a gun and

767
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: and and what you call it, brought some guns too,

768
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what so I I saw, I saw

769
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: I think one of gills that was like a goal on.

770
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: I was like, that's an eagle in my opinion. I'm like,

771
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: this is a nice gun. But but as a and

772
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: I think, I'm I'm twenty two, twenty twenty. I think

773
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: I don't even remember how old I was. I didn't

774
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: realize the magnitude of what was going on right at

775
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: the time until the media got a hold of and

776
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they might go to jail. Had you

777
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: ever seen two men get into it and guns are

778
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: actually displayed, I've never I've never seen that. I'm see

779
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: I've seen guns before, obviously and like on people in

780
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: conversation ship, but I've never seen it in a professional

781
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: stating in my life of people actually brings to each other.

782
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: And that's that's the difference between old school teams and

783
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: new school teams. You know, all school teams they had issues,

784
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: but that stuff never left the locker room, right, Well,

785
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: you just knuckle it up old school team, you fight

786
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: it out at ain't nobody everybody go home. What I'm

787
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: saying is anything that went down the locker room staying

788
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: the locker, right. We had kind of a camaraderie, not

789
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: that we didn't have issues, right, but it never left

790
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: the locker room. And then two brothers just solved the problem.

791
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: But it never got to lie guns and all of

792
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: that because it was never that volume, right, because you

793
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: know they just yes, it should have never been and

794
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: if there was an issue, never left the locker room. Right,

795
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: Those were the old schools. But you'd never got that.

796
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: I mean, look it, you'll never got that serious. I mean,

797
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: you're joking about somebody losing and somebody, but that's how

798
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: it is. It's not the person that's telling the joke.

799
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: It's the person that's laughing at the joke that everybody

800
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: want to fight. Why you met? Why are you not

801
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: bad at here for telling the joke. I'm just laughing.

802
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: But I don't think what people understand about, you know,

803
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: sharing with professional you know, money just exasperates who you are. Yeah,

804
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: you want French, but if you are an asshole broke,

805
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna be an asshole witch? Right, You know you're

806
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: just gonna be bigger. You're exactly person drivers is in

807
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: jail right now. Man, let's not let's not speak on that. Man. Man,

808
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on in his life. Man, Okay,

809
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I'm saying I was just sorry. Bad Jabil.

810
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: How has your mindset changed since you won those championships?

811
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: What is different about Jabale McGee? You're still feling for tall,

812
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: You're still wander thirty with thirty piles you steal that.

813
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: So what if, how have you changed? Going to Golden

814
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: State was definitely a blessing for me. It was life changing,

815
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: of course winning championships, but just behind the scenes was

816
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: was life changing for me too. It was just seeing

817
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: a real organization work and how a real organization works,

818
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: and how they take care of them players and how

819
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: the players really run it, what goes on. It's not

820
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: just okay, the coach tells you to do something and

821
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: then you do it. And on my first two teams,

822
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: UH with the Wizards and with Denver, that's how it

823
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: was ran. It was more ran of okay, you listen

824
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: to the coach. It's not ran by the players. It

825
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the players really want at all. Golden State,

826
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: the players had the loudest voices in the in the

827
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: in the gym. If if Draymond wanted to do this

828
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: dinner with the whole team, it was gonna happen. It

829
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: wasn't a question and nothing like that. This person wanted

830
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: to do that all the way down. So, and the

831
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: way that that organization was set up is they were

832
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: definitely a player team to where they they made sure

833
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: when we went to the playoffs, they made sure there

834
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: was a family playing that went so you can take

835
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: your family with you. Wow. We were allowed to have

836
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: like one play one friend a year to get on

837
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: the on the team playing with us. I've never seen

838
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: that anywhere else and still have it right. So, just

839
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: just being able to be a Golden State and see

840
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: a real winning organization in the way it ran was amazing.

841
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: And every place I went to after that, I got

842
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: to take that piece with me and add it to

843
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: another team like, or you should do this. That's what

844
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: they was doing, and they obviously went in a Golden State,

845
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: you should add this. It definitely brings a comaradie with

846
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: the players this and that. So it's definitely a difference

847
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: in in in championship teams and championship organizations, then these

848
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: other organizations that are just playing for the lottery of

849
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: the year. Pam, I know you have to go, so

850
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wrap you up with this question. What advice

851
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: would you give parents? Forget, I'm not gonna say, well,

852
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: what advice would you give parents about raising a potential

853
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: professional athlete son or daughter? No, what advice would you

854
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: give any parent about raising a child today? If I

855
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: had to raise a child today. You gotta train children differently.

856
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: You can't be just do this data. You gotta think them.

857
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: You gotta let them make them think being like you

858
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: gotta say, give me a solution on how to solve problems,

859
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: because our children are any day. There was so much negativity,

860
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: and it's so much social media, and it's so much

861
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: you can't control what the internet brings to them. And

862
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: it's not like the family setting where you know, our

863
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: kids went to church and and then you gotta sit down.

864
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: If I had kids nowadays, you gotta sit down and

865
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: have a relationship and make sure you create communication where

866
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 1: y'all can talk. I tell you the reason why Jubella

867
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: and I are so close because he talked at the

868
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: age of two and three in paragraphs because he was

869
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: my only English speaking person when I played in Europe, right,

870
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: so I never talked to him like a little baby.

871
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: He was too and he would talk like, I mean,

872
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: would you like to go to the star? I need

873
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: some water? Would you please get me a bottle? I mean,

874
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: he was just always this intellectual. So even though I

875
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: had him at like twenty four or twenty five, I

876
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: think we grew up together because even now I find

877
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: myself like, the teacher has become the student, has become

878
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: a teacher, the teacher has become the preacher whatever that is,

879
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: the master or whatever, because he really inspires me. I

880
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: watch him. I'm so proud of him. The reason why

881
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: we no longer deal with shocking the food because the

882
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: world has got to see what I see. He's a

883
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's his uh YouTube. He's really showing the

884
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: people who he is. And he's just really matured through

885
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: this fourteen years experience. And I'm not saying that because

886
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: I'm his mother. I'm just saying that that, you know,

887
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: he's an asset to the world, and he's just a

888
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: good young man, and I just admire him as his mother.

889
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: And I'm just really proud to say that I am.

890
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: You know I used to be. You know, this is

891
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: Jabelle McGee. You know that's Japam McGee's son. Now people

892
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: like stop and say yo. They don't say two time

893
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: n C two A champion, Hall of Fame, and they said,

894
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: oh Jamie mama, right, A lot of I want to

895
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: ask you get your two two questions. Who is the

896
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: greatest female basketball player of all time? Uh? There was

897
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: this chick name Alexia out of Brazil, But besides her,

898
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: it's a time between Cynthia Cooper and Cheryl Miller. Okay,

899
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: because they were like revolutionized again. Right, Okay, this one,

900
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see what you're gonna said. This one. Who's

901
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: the greatest male basketball player NBA player all time? The greatest?

902
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: And you played on the Olympics in nineteen eighty four

903
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: with one MJ the Black Cat. You said that quick, Babila,

904
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,479
Speaker 1: you said that too quick. Hey, I was just saying

905
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: what you know, I was just telling people my analogy,

906
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: analogy of the whole Scotty and all of that, and MJ.

907
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: I always say that was Batman Robin. But it's only

908
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: one Batman you know now, if you take Batman out

909
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 1: of the picture, it was Batman and Robin, but there's

910
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: only one Batman, Pamela period. Thank you for stopping by.

911
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: Give you a coup. We're gonna continue this with your veil,

912
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: but thank you for stopping by. You are the first

913
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: female to enter Club Sha. Thank you. Hey, that's what

914
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: I do. Thank Shannon, Shannon. I want to say this too.

915
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: I saw you when the issues came out with the

916
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: Shock and the Fool, and I appreciate you for standing

917
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: up for a sister that it was fighting for his son.

918
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: Thank you. I really appreciated. Thank you on their thank you.

919
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: We need more brothers like you to stand up and

920
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: say y'all, pull up, pull up. I've been there, and

921
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: what what what what what? What? What he does and

922
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: what their careers add to our legacy and our generational

923
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: wealth and our family. I'm proud to be JaVale McGee's mom. Well,

924
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I really appreciate that. Thanks for

925
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: having me, Jabil fourteen years, You've been a couple of

926
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: different places. You with Wizards, would Golden State, the Lakers, Cleveland.

927
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: Last year you finished up in Denver, signed a deal

928
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: with the Phoenix Suns. What do you feel you can

929
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: bring to the Sun. They just within the NBA Finals

930
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: this past season. They end up losing in six games

931
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: to the Bucks. What were you bringing? How did your

932
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: game help DeAndre eight? I mean, I feel like my

933
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: game definitely helps DeAndre eight in a major way for

934
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: just the veteran leadership alone and also on heat when

935
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: he gets into foul trouble things like that, and having

936
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: that veteran big to come in that seven foot block shots, defend,

937
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: rebound and does all the intangibles that a real big

938
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: man does, because I mean shoot three. The last two, three,

939
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: four or five years, they've been trying to get us

940
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: out of there. We're trying to get the big, the natural,

941
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: live catching screen and roll big out of the league.

942
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: They've been trying thanks to Draymond it's my guy. But

943
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: but now we're starting to get that rep back, like, Okay,

944
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: we actually need bids now, you know what I'm saying.

945
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: So I definitely think it's necessary for me to me

946
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: to pick up the slack. Definitely with the ways when

947
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: he gets in file trouble during the season or if

948
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: even if you're think in the finals, he was getting

949
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: in file trouble and Danyanas was having a field day, right,

950
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: So I just feel like it's definitely, uh, one of

951
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: my attributes that I'm I'm well at being that defensive

952
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: anchor and being able to control the paint. You're gonna

953
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: play with Chris Paul, Devin Booker, who you played with

954
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: a little bit within the Olympics when when the gold

955
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: medal with Chris Paul talked a little bit the other

956
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: day about since going to the finals and experiencing that

957
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: he's addicted to it. What do you share with Chris Paul?

958
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: You won three championships in the last what five six years,

959
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: so you know what it's like to get to the finals.

960
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: You know what it likes to take to get over

961
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: without Yeah, and when the finals. Yeah, it's consistency, man,

962
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: It's consistency. That's all it really is. It's not easy

963
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: to do. It's definitely about a team though. That's what

964
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: it's majorly about is the team. Is everybody on the

965
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: team locked in? Is everybody won through fifteen willing to sacrifice,

966
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: willing sacrifice just a little bit just so h that

967
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: person can get off, that person get off. And the

968
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: way that Chris Paul plays is extremely unselfish in my eyes.

969
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: He's he's nine ten assists a game, and and and

970
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: every big man has ever played with with Chris Paul

971
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: has done well. So I just feel like Chris Paul

972
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: is definitely the head of the Snake and he's definitely

973
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: gonna lead us to that to that finals. Again, you

974
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: spoke a little bit about it, but you mentioned about

975
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: playing in Golden State and the type of atmosphere that

976
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: it that it bread the players have the strongest voice,

977
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: the things that they allowed you to do that no

978
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: other organization had allowed you to do, that you felt

979
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: was very conducive to winning for sure. Uh, the way

980
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: State ran things was do whatever you want as long

981
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: as we win, right, and you can give that freedom

982
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: to a certain type of guy, you can't give that

983
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: to everybody. A lot of guys to take advantage of

984
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: that and be right at the club, very nice, right,

985
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: just doing whatever they want because they don't have But

986
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: we had those two years that we wanted back to back.

987
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: We had a good group of guys, true professionalism, you

988
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And even if a guy went

989
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: out went out to three in the morning, he gonna

990
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: come out, come like like in the last dance. You know,

991
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: Dennis Robin was gonna go do his thing, but he's

992
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: gonna come and work out, work everybody. And I feel

993
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: like one through fifteen everybody was locked in on what

994
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: the goal was when when when I had got there,

995
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: they were they had just lost to Cleveland, but they

996
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: had went to the finals, so they had went to

997
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: the finals back to back. So we're day one, We're

998
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: winning a championship. That was the mindset. It wasn't oh,

999
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna make the playoffs. It was we

1000
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: win in the championship. And I mean just the way

1001
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: that that team, that organization UH take takes care of

1002
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: those players, to players families, the players friends is definitely

1003
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: necessary on a winning organization. You I just saw your

1004
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: vacation with Clay. What are your expectations. He's missed two years,

1005
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: had the ACL tried to come back, was looking great

1006
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: the last off season, Terris the Achilles two years away,

1007
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: two serious injuries for a basketball player. What are you

1008
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: expecting from play this year? I expect the old Clay

1009
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: to tell the truth. The only thing I can see.

1010
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll be slacking in that first month of the

1011
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: season is defense, just because you know how aggressive Clay

1012
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: is and how good he is on defense, right, I

1013
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna get those reps in the off

1014
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: season or in practice on the defensive end of reading

1015
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: being able to really lock guys up. So I think

1016
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: that first month he's gonna struggle a little bit on defense.

1017
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: But offensively, he didn't hurt his arm, A ging wrong

1018
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: with his arms, so that boy gonna shoot. I just

1019
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: saw Austin Rivers the other day and he's with the Nuggets.

1020
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: The Nuggets were in the playoff last year. Uh, they

1021
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: got the reigning MVP and they didn't get a Christmas

1022
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: Day game, and he's very upset with that. Do you

1023
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: believe that nothing should have got a Christmas Day game?

1024
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't. Fan wise, Uh, like

1025
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: just the level of how much fans love a team,

1026
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,959
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because I think like every team

1027
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: that's playing in on the Christmas Day, people want to

1028
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: see those games. You know what I'm saying, No, even

1029
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: if that team didn't even make the playoffs, people, you

1030
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: who are gonna kick out, right, you know what I'm saying,

1031
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna kick Steph and Clay and Draymond out or

1032
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: they want to see Lakers nets. They want to see

1033
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: that class. So it's about entertainment and and and everybody

1034
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: understands that. So I don't entertainment wise, I don't think

1035
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: Denver should have been on the Christmas Christmas game. You

1036
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: ask play with staff playing with Lebron and you said, uh,

1037
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: something to the effect that I think you that it

1038
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: was better play either playing with Lebron or Lebron was

1039
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: so so the question was who did you enjoy playing

1040
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: with more Lebron or or Steph. My answer was, I

1041
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: enjoyed playing with Lebron the first year I was on

1042
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: the Lakers. But they just they cut off the first year.

1043
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: They just said he enjoyed playing with Lebron and then

1044
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, click bait. But I enjoyed playing with Lebron

1045
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: the first year on the Lakers because I was the

1046
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: starting center. Right, I had the highest I had my

1047
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: career high thirty and twenty games, and I had scored.

1048
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: I had a career high in points that year. Right,

1049
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: So enjoyment, Yes, I enjoyed being succeeding, you know what

1050
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And because he allowed, because Lebron allowed you

1051
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: to because a lot of people like man, all Jail

1052
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: can do is be a back up. He come in

1053
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: and get your five points three rebounds on the block

1054
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: and that's it exactly. But he allowed you all those lobs,

1055
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: all those alley hoops, the screened picking pop exactly like man,

1056
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: if I had had this dude my whole career, see

1057
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I had been an All Star team.

1058
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: But exactly so, I'm like, which one did I enjoy

1059
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: enjoyed that I didn't. I didn't enjoy not playing a

1060
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: lot in Golden State, but I enjoyed winning. I enjoyed

1061
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: hanging out with those guys. I enjoyed playing. But you

1062
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: have everybody has that selfish bones, were like, I want

1063
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: to succeed too. Write you know what I'm saying. It's

1064
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: nice to win, but I like to think I'm a

1065
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: part of a big part of this wedding. I mean

1066
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: when you you guys won the championship last year before last,

1067
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: you were a big part of that. That There was

1068
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: some series that you didn't play a buck, but but

1069
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: people you could. People forget we were the number one

1070
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: in the West, and I was the starting center the

1071
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: whole year. You know what I'm saying, right, So when

1072
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs comes playoffs and situation matchup, you never know

1073
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: who you're gonna get in the playoffs, right, and they

1074
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: could change it any day, So that I definitely enjoyed

1075
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: that first year with the Lakers. How how is Lebron

1076
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: is a teammate? I mean, you know, people, you know,

1077
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: you see him and you know, because I think sometimes

1078
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: now people have taken what he does for granted, Yeah,

1079
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: but how is there as a teammate? How great is Lebron?

1080
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: Lebron's pretty great? I can't there's nothing you can really

1081
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: say about that, just because when I used to see U,

1082
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: I used to hear things like Bill Russell was a

1083
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: was a player coach one year and I was like,

1084
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: how do you hire you a player coach? How's that

1085
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: a thing? But after going to the Lakers, I understand

1086
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: how a player could be a player coach, right because

1087
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: just the not only playing the game. When Lebron plays

1088
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: the games, he's thinking the game too, and he's low

1089
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: key thinking for two other players also like oh, you

1090
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: need to be there, you need to be there. We

1091
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: need to do this if we're gonna win this series.

1092
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: We need to change this right and he's a major

1093
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: part of that. So I definitely think like he's more

1094
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: of a player coach than just a player when it

1095
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: comes to just the cerebral part of the game. Do

1096
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: you think people take it for granted but how great

1097
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: he is? I definitely think people take it for granted

1098
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: how great he really is, just the things that he's

1099
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: done and going was it nine? He went nine finals

1100
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: in a row or nine out of team right in

1101
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: the row, eight in a row. And then if you

1102
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: look and then if you look at some of those teams,

1103
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: you're like, who else did he have to really help him?

1104
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: He didn't have like any super team. He had a

1105
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: couple maybe if you count Dwyane Wade, and but it

1106
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: was a lot of a lot going on for him.

1107
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: They're still making to the finals in those years. You're investing,

1108
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: You're a big investor. You're invested in the twenty seventeen

1109
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: film All Eyes on Me about Tupac your core. You're

1110
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: invested in the vegan snack company, Outstanding Foods with Snoop,

1111
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: Golf Beyond Me with DeAndre Jordan, Kyrie, Irvan, Chris Paul,

1112
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: and you're the Tokamakao Organa Kaya Organica. Is that what

1113
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: made you decide to get so involved in investing Golden State?

1114
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: Golden State being out there? Uh? And my main I

1115
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: feel like my main mentor when it came to that,

1116
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: was Andrew go Dollar. Just seeing the way Andre moved

1117
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: when he was out there and talking to these billionaires

1118
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: and talking to these guys and really getting in there

1119
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: and not just being a basketball player, you know what

1120
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, being a bit real businessman. It was inspirational.

1121
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: And I used to talk to him all the time

1122
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: on the plane and we recommend books to each other

1123
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: and like, oh, yeah, I gotta read that, you gotta

1124
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: read this, blah blah blah. Whoa. So after that, I

1125
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I'm in this situation and he really

1126
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: and it really made me see from the outside looking

1127
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: in at my fame and my power of having fame

1128
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: to be able to invest in companies not knowing really

1129
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: what you know what I'm saying, You don't really know,

1130
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: You're not a I wasn't behind the scenes beyond me

1131
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: building the you know what I'm saying. So it's definitely

1132
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: a positive thing of being able to invest in companies

1133
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: and as a kid you don't really know that, you

1134
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I didn't really know that in

1135
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: the league until I got to go to the state

1136
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: that investing is as important as it is. Right, you

1137
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: got inflation, inflations eating up your money every year as

1138
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: a kid, or you know, stack stack stack. We come

1139
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: from the hood. We put our money in the shoebox.

1140
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, we thinking straight cash.

1141
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: That's the only way it is. But the world is

1142
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: so much bigger than that, right, your grandmate nominated producer?

1143
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: Have you always liked music? What led you to the music?

1144
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: Started producing? So I was always a nerd when it

1145
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: came to computers, technology and everything. And always say this, like,

1146
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have I wouldn't have survived being a producer

1147
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for computers, right, because now everything's on

1148
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: a computer. So when I got when I got out

1149
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: of college, well, when I was in college, I got

1150
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: my first uh or was I took a student loan

1151
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: out ten thousand dollars and I bought me a little laptop,

1152
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: put fl studio on there was making beats, made a

1153
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: little mixtape with my roommate and we I was just

1154
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: like Oh, this is fun. But it was more just

1155
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: fun for me and the technology more than anything, just

1156
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: figuring it out on the computer of how to do this.

1157
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: So when I got to the league, I bought my

1158
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: first Mac and I I got a program called Logic,

1159
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: and after that it was just like, Okay, this is

1160
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: really something I can really do and I really enjoy

1161
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: doing this. I would sit in my room every day

1162
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: hours just trying to make beats and trying to figure

1163
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: things out. So I've always been a nerd, and I

1164
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: feel like the technology aspect of music really helped me

1165
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: out when it came to producing. You wrote and produced

1166
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: a song on the album called title, So I mean,

1167
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: if that's something that you want to go like, fu

1168
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: the fud with, I mean, what you've done with basketball?

1169
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: Are you in the vote? Exclusive your time to wrap?

1170
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna still do you Obviously you're gonna still do

1171
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: a part of your investing, But how how deep into

1172
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: the music game are you gonna go? What you've done

1173
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: with basketball? I mean, my ultimate goal is to be

1174
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: is to not really produce, or is to be more

1175
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: of a an R or more of an executive in

1176
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: music industry, okay, rather than an artist. I just feel like,

1177
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the older you get is harder to be

1178
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: an artist. I'm not, I'm not really in I'm seven foot.

1179
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: I never envisioned myself as an artist always. That's what

1180
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: I always wanted to be a producer. Six eight. So

1181
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: you might be able to stay, you know, but I

1182
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: just couldn't. I just couldn't. Never saw it. So I

1183
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: definitely want to get into the into the executive role

1184
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: when it comes to music. Eventually, been a lot of debate.

1185
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: Top three NBA rappers of all time? I need them

1186
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: in order, in order, in order? All right? Uh, top

1187
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: three NBA rappers and all I'm gonna go number one.

1188
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Dame. I'm gonna go Dame is number

1189
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: one because I feel like he's he's the only one

1190
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: who really had the opportunity to take it as serious

1191
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: as he does. Uh. Number two, I would probably say

1192
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: I believe Ai was a rapper. We had a rap

1193
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: song too, right, Yeah, So I would say Ai number two,

1194
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,479
Speaker 1: and then I would go lou Will three. I'm gonna

1195
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: go lou Will three. Man, how you leave shout? No,

1196
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm just because you went platinum. He went platinum of

1197
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: fame I wouldn't say like lyrics. Oh man, give me

1198
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 1: your mount Rushmore NBA players, Mount Rushmore, how many people

1199
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: in my works from four? All right, we're gonna go Kareem, Kareem.

1200
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: We're going to Jordan two. I'm gonna put Ai on

1201
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: there for the little guys. Because he he was he

1202
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: was a monster at being six foot, he was a monster.

1203
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: The heart. He had a monster. And I gotta say

1204
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: shack yeah as number four, just because he was the

1205
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: most dominant big ever. I feel like, all right, would

1206
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: you be thanks brou I really appreciate you and having

1207
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: you and your mom on. I appreci appreciate you giving

1208
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: me some time. Congratulations on the gold medal, Congratulations on

1209
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: your fourteenth, fourteenth year, gonna finish, gonna be in a phoenix.

1210
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: Good luck this year. I hope you get a championship.

1211
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks you stop about appreciate that all my life,

1212
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: the grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle back price one

1213
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: a slice got the broler dice, swath all my life.

1214
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life, all my life. Then

1215
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle back price, one slice

1216
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: got the broll dice Swath all my life. I've been

1217
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: grinding in all my life.