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Speaker 1: Hey guys. Here we are back on another episode of

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Speaker 1: normally the show with normalist takes, but when the news

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Speaker 1: gets weird. I am Mary Catherine Ham.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Marco. It's him, Mary Catherine. How's it going.

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Speaker 1: It's going. Okay. This is the season of sick toddlers'

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Speaker 1: tis the season and they're all right, they just got

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Speaker 1: a mild cough, but it makes them cranky. And I

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Speaker 1: just wish that we could fast forward to RFK at

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Speaker 1: HHS because then we'd have like government distributed elderberry.

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Speaker 3: That would it would never happen all of these.

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Speaker 1: Problems for me. So the future is near, That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you. Very bright.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I wanted to make a we'll have a pollio again,

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Speaker 2: but but toddlers won't have sniffles.

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Speaker 3: No, this is totally kidding, people, totally kidding.

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Speaker 1: My watch for it is like I'm a bringback beef tallow,

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Speaker 1: but not measles. These are my this is my lie,

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Speaker 1: and there are some things we could do.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So Trump continues to make picks. I continue to

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Speaker 2: be positive about some of them and very very negative

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Speaker 2: about some other ones. You know, a few years ago,

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Speaker 2: I wrote a column actually in the Daily Beast when

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Speaker 2: when they allowed that kind of thing from conservatives. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I wanted, I wanted to speak to a more

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Speaker 2: left audience, and they let me publish it there.

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Speaker 3: So, but my.

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Speaker 2: Piece was when the tent gets too big and how

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Speaker 2: that it's a problem because you're no longer represented in

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Speaker 2: that tent. And yeah, you win elections, but what does

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Speaker 2: that really mean when none of your kind of priorities

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Speaker 2: get prioritized. Sorry, it's quite early, That's all I got

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Speaker 2: right now. Language wise, priorities get prioritized. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I have, I have been happy with a lot of

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Speaker 2: Trump picks, and I can't say that I don't feel prioritized,

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Speaker 2: but I do think that some of them are just

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Speaker 2: for the larger constituency.

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Speaker 3: And I am not a fan.

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Speaker 2: So I'll just get into it because I feel strongly

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Speaker 2: about this one. But Florie Chavez Duremmer for Secretary of Labor,

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Speaker 2: what is up with that? I just have to say,

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Speaker 2: if Randy Wingarden is happy about it, I am not

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Speaker 2: happy about it. And that's that's how I knew this

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Speaker 2: was going to be a disaster.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bad sign, bad sign, right, And.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people celebrating are people that I just

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Speaker 2: do not appreciate at all. But she was co sponsor

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Speaker 2: of the pro act. She supports labor unions, at largely

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Speaker 2: at the expense of freedom for workers.

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Speaker 3: Threatens right to work laws.

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Speaker 2: Richard Hinania had a post on x where he wrote,

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Speaker 2: Conservatives have a fondness for saying make America Florida. They

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Speaker 2: recognize that their policies have worked at the state level,

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Speaker 2: which is why Red states have seen so much more

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Speaker 2: growth in terms of GDP and population flows. The American

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Speaker 2: people are voting with their feet. Chavez Duremer's motto can

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Speaker 2: be better summed up as make America Florida. She wants

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Speaker 2: to force Red states to adopt the labor policies that

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Speaker 2: have caused massive migration outlaws, outflows from the more liberal

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Speaker 2: parts of the country. I am not interested in any

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Speaker 2: of that. I hope the Republicans.

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Speaker 3: You know, don't confirm her.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think there's anything wrong with saying no

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Speaker 3: This doesn't fit our needs.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't it's not what we're looking for in a

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Speaker 2: labor secretary.

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Speaker 3: And we stand firm on no.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that on that point for the make America California,

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Speaker 1: which again has been losing people and businesses by the

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands. She has supported the pro Act. The

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Speaker 1: pro Act is this idea from California, a total dumpster

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Speaker 1: fire that they enacted in California, which basically led to

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Speaker 1: the elimination of independent contracting. Yeah, the elimination of gigwork.

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Speaker 1: That was the idea behind us, because they were like, well,

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Speaker 1: we can just regularize everyone, make them union type eight

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Speaker 1: what happened, All those jobs disappear, right. So then what

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Speaker 1: happened is that it was so bad that California was like,

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Speaker 1: for a bunch of industries. So they start doing favors

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Speaker 1: for whomever gets in touch with them Hollywood blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But then the little guys, of course, are left out.

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Speaker 1: So like transcribing people who do that at home community

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Speaker 1: theaters where you couldn't pay people full time to make

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Speaker 1: sets for community theater. These things died in California. There

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Speaker 1: are full industries that are gone from the state of

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Speaker 1: California because of this act. They tried to make it national,

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Speaker 1: which would have been yet another California dumpster fire pushed

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Speaker 1: dumpster fires. Yeah, and so this.

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Speaker 2: In your dumpster, it worries not spread it to our dumpsters.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, it worries me very much now like I don't.

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Speaker 1: The unfortunate thing is that they're not going to pass

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Speaker 1: the proact in the Senate House. Obviously Republicans are in charge,

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Speaker 1: but there's a lot you can do with labor rules

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Speaker 1: to lean in this direction. Yeah, and guess who's in

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Speaker 1: charge of labor rules exactly? Not great. Yeah, so that

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Speaker 1: concerns me. I understand that Trump has expanded the coalition,

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Speaker 1: as you say, made the tent much bigger, but can

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Speaker 1: I just note he didn't even get the Teamsters endors.

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Speaker 2: Right right, Well, I just got them not to endorse Kamala,

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Speaker 2: which is big.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: But I also think like even when they issue endorsements,

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Speaker 2: the individuals still do what they want. So it's a

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Speaker 2: half dozen of one, six of another.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no. I And also I think again, this is

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Speaker 1: a move to say thank you to the labor movement,

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Speaker 1: but it's also a gift not to a rank and

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Speaker 1: file labor person. This is labor leadership, right, and labor

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Speaker 1: leadership is very different from rank and file labor union members,

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Speaker 1: and so I would just be very wary of anything

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Speaker 2: It's just absolutely seeing winegarden, happy period and life story.

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Speaker 1: And if one of your goals as an administer, this

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Speaker 1: is interesting to me is what if one of your

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Speaker 1: goals as an administration is to get rid of the

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Speaker 1: Department of Education, but you have a Randy winegarden ally

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be tough that.

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Speaker 1: And this is to your point about whether the coalition

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Speaker 1: is too big. At some point, if your goals are

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Speaker 1: in opposition within your cabinet, you're going to have to

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Speaker 1: pick a goal, right. That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the problem is with the two wide tent.

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Speaker 2: It's nice during election time, it's a lot harder during

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Speaker 1: And this is something I'm going to steal a point

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Speaker 1: but he noted, you know, this is a little bit

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Speaker 1: like European style government, where you make a coalitional government.

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Speaker 1: America makes those with its electorate before the election, whereas

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Speaker 1: in the parliamentary style you have to all get together

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm sold.

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Speaker 2: Randy Winegarden is happy, and I don't like that europe.

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Speaker 2: This is the way the Europeans do it, and I

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Speaker 2: don't want that. So yeah, you know, make America Florida,

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Speaker 2: do not make a California know to this Labor secretary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Okay, so I have one too. For

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Speaker 1: surgeon General, Trump chose doctor Jeannette nische Watt, who's known

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Speaker 1: on Twitter as at doctor Jeannette. She has been a

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Speaker 1: Fox News contributor, but now she will move on to

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Speaker 1: this process and spoke on Fox News often during the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing. She took the wrong takes. She

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Speaker 1: had the wrong takes, Carol. She was promasking for school

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Speaker 1: very effusive about the vaccine during a time when many

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Speaker 1: people were saying, like okay, but let's be careful about

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Speaker 1: who actually needs this and who doesn't, and the one

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Speaker 1: praised Facebook for censoring various viewpoints that were not effusive

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Speaker 1: can't with that. Here's the thing. What we do not

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Speaker 1: need is Donald Trump from Mary twenty, which understandably it

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Speaker 1: was a weird time, but he was a little too

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Speaker 1: deferential to people who were quote unquote experts, And now

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Speaker 1: we have information that tells us many of those experts

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Speaker 1: were wrong when it came to mandates, when it came

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Speaker 1: certainly the idea of censoring the American people via government

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Speaker 1: those things are unhealthy. And this seems like just a

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Speaker 1: seen in other places. Whisperings of Jay Batcharia at NIH,

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Speaker 1: were brave, and I would love to see more of that.

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Speaker 2: I joked in what I was saying at the Labor

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Speaker 2: Secretary that I don't want to see Randy Winingarden happy.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of it is you can't I know

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Speaker 2: doctor Janet's tick. Kevin McCullough the radio host, and Joe

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Speaker 2: Kanca have both said nice things about her, and she

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Speaker 2: follows me on X, which is generally a giant plus

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Speaker 2: for anybody, but huge green flag, right, yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 2: I should just like her off the bat.

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Speaker 1: But then I.

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Speaker 2: Saw old tweets where she was criticizing the Surgeon General

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Speaker 2: of Florida, Joseph Ladappo, who I think is amazing. She

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Speaker 2: was saying that masks have saved millions.

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Speaker 3: Of lives, and I was like, that is just bonkers.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is that this is already It's not

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Speaker 2: spring twenty twenty, and the point.

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Speaker 3: That she tweeted at, I believe it was already deep.

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Speaker 2: Into twenty twenty one, and we kind of knew that

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Speaker 2: those masks didn't do anything, because you know, we have eyes,

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Speaker 2: and we could see, and we knew what the numbers were,

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Speaker 2: how it didn't make any difference at all. So it

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Speaker 2: is a concern. I don't know what the thinking was here. Again,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump loves his television. It could it be that

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Speaker 2: he just saw her on TV, thought she was smart

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Speaker 2: and was like, let's do this. Possibly somebody else could

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Speaker 2: have recommended her, obviously, I just I don't know who

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Speaker 2: this pleases exactly, because again, she is allegedly supposedly right

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Speaker 2: of center, right, so she's not a liberal pick, but

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Speaker 2: her positions are all sort of.

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Speaker 3: Backward and not where the base is at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It'll be interesting to see what happens with this one,

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Speaker 2: because I don't know who's going to come out strongly

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Speaker 2: against her other than you know, those of us who

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Speaker 2: were still harboring some negative.

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Speaker 1: Feelings about down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, still mad about that, bro. It's interesting because I

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Speaker 2: don't know our Republicans going to say no to this.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if they're going to use there

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Speaker 3: Like creepy as hell.

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Speaker 1: Let's not do this to people, right. The funny thing

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Speaker 1: is it's always framed as what to do with your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it always seems to go in one direction. It's

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Speaker 2: you know, I it's you know. There's also this conversation like, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, and that's all ridiculous. But I would say

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Speaker 2: abysmal on Israel. I think they've been abysmal on Jewish

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Speaker 2: life in America. Saying that the Hamosniks in our streets

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Speaker 3: I'm still not.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh, you voted for Harris. Well, you voted, you know,

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Speaker 2: to end my life. I feel strongly about it. And

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Speaker 2: yet I can understand that you don't actually want to

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Speaker 3: You voted for the other person. I think that's important.

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Speaker 2: You have to kind of step away from it and

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Speaker 2: say this isn't actually about me. And they made the decision.

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Speaker 2: I think it might be a wrong decision, but that's

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Speaker 2: that's a separate issue past the mashed potatoes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that actually that's a pretty good rule of thumb.

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Speaker 1: There's like, instead of assuming that someone's support for a

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Speaker 1: destroy you and your family. At that point, you could

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Speaker 3: That's right, that would be the line for me personally.

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Speaker 2: You can't have any of my mashed potatoes if you're

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Speaker 1: And that is a reasonable line. But the idea that

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Speaker 1: And of course now these are the there's all these

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Speaker 1: at Thanksgiving because liberals lost this time. So yeah, they're right.

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Speaker 1: How do we coddle ourselves properly when we go to

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Speaker 1: good let's call it exposure therapy for your purple haired niece.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm dealing in stereotypes, but stereotypes of stereotypes

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Speaker 1: for a reason, exposure therapy. Go out there, hear somebody

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Speaker 1: say some things you disagree with. I know it's different

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, watch the Cowboys Giants game. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be a disaster no matter who wins on both sides.

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Speaker 2: It's just going to be like you want to watch

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Speaker 2: some really bad football coming out on Thanksgiving and watch

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Speaker 2: that game?

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Speaker 1: Truly? Can I throw in? And in case you missed

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Speaker 1: it before we part today, it's good for the Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: season and ramping up to the Christmas season to remember

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Speaker 1: that in western North Carolina there are still people without homes.

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Speaker 1: There are people living in tents, there are families living

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Speaker 1: in tents. There are tremendous efforts by the private sector,

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Speaker 1: them in shelters. It is true that the large some

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Speaker 1: of the large organizations, including the federal government, have not

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Speaker 1: been efficient in those spaces and have not done things

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Speaker 1: that are super helpful. And so just think of those people.

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Speaker 1: Support them if you can find ways to donate. Samaritans

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Speaker 1: Purse is a great one that operates in western North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: You'll notice call them out on x and post the

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Speaker 2: link to don't.

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Speaker 1: Well and you'll notice that both Kamala Harris and Joe

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Speaker 1: going to get pretty dangerous in the coming months if

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for that.

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Speaker 2: I think that that's so important for people to remember

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Speaker 2: and to know. I think that that's completely gone away

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Speaker 2: this doesn't happen overnight, and we've had an absent government

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Speaker 2: who hasn't been on this at all. So thank you,

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Speaker 2: and we'll post again for the listeners a link to donate,

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Speaker 2: and we'll donate ourselves.

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Speaker 3: Thinks.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on Normally.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be off for Thanksgiving on Thursday with

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Speaker 2: our families, watching bad football and eating all the ams.

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Speaker 3: We hope you have a happy and safe Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: With your family. Just don't argue too much. Normally airs

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Speaker 2: generally on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere you.

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Speaker 3: Get your podcasts. Get in touch with us.

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