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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Weapons. We talk a

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Speaker 1: lot about weapons in forensics, and sometimes you come across

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Speaker 1: things other than knives and guns, anything that you can

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Speaker 1: bludgeon somebody with bare hands, ligatures, fire. You think about

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Speaker 1: all of things and you think about, well, those items,

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Speaker 1: those elements can be easily weaponized weapons of convenience many times.

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Speaker 1: But I have a question, is it possible that someone

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Speaker 1: could potentially lethally weaponize exercise. We're going to find out

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Speaker 1: and we're going to have a discussion about a six

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Speaker 1: year old boy who unfortunately is no longer with us.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body Bags. I

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Speaker 1: was never a grand athlete, Dave. I played football in

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Speaker 1: high school around a lot of really great athletes, people

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Speaker 1: that went on to have pro careers, but all of

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Speaker 1: us suffered equally in football. It proved well when I

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Speaker 1: went off into the military because it's like, okay, I

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Speaker 1: in high school was football, and there were times when

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Speaker 1: I felt like my coaches, as I know your coaches

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Speaker 1: were using exercise to punish you, and it really wasn'tx

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Speaker 1: like you're trying to improve yourself. What they're trying to

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Speaker 1: do is improve your mental mental state, to pay attention

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Speaker 1: to detail.

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Speaker 2: And Joe, I understand what you're saying there, but you

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Speaker 2: know you're talking high school, college military using exercise not

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Speaker 2: for exercise, but for discipline. And I get it, but

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Speaker 2: we're talking about a six year old boy here. We

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Speaker 2: don't even really know exactly when Christopher Gregor and Corey's mother,

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Speaker 2: Brianna michlo first met. We know that Brianna Michloh was seventeen,

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Speaker 2: Christopher Gregor was twenty one when Brianna Michloh gave birth

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Speaker 2: to Corey. Gregor was reportedly not in the boy's life

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Speaker 2: until he was five years old. And it was only

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Speaker 2: at that time when Brianna Michloh saw it child support

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Speaker 2: from Gregor, that a paternity test was done and when

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Speaker 2: he came back with well, I'm not paying child support,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting custody, and he did. He got custody of Corey.

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Speaker 3: Michelo.

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Speaker 2: Now, the very first meeting that Corey allegedly that Corey

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Speaker 2: Corey allegedly returned home to his mother with a busted lip.

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Speaker 2: According to New Jersey Online, Micheloh didn't believe Christopher Gregor's

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Speaker 2: excuse that he accidentally kicked their son while playing soccer,

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Speaker 2: so she reported it to the DCPP, and DCPP caseworker

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Speaker 2: accepted the story as told by Christopher Gregor, just an accident.

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Speaker 2: I kicked him while were playing soccer and no big deal.

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Speaker 2: They his boom didn't even investigate. Gregor was able to

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Speaker 2: rest custody of Corey away from his mother, Bria Michloh,

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Speaker 2: because Brie had an ongoing drug problem at the time.

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Speaker 2: At one point, Gregor was able to have bri Michelo's

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Speaker 2: visitation taken away due to drugs. Michelo had her visitation

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Speaker 2: restored after she completed a drug treatment program, but for

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Speaker 2: over a year after that first meeting, she claims that

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Speaker 2: Corey was routinely abused by Gregor, and she reportedly suspected

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Speaker 2: the father was using a treadmill as punishment tool during

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Speaker 2: their visitations. Bri Micheloh called authorities one hundred times reporting

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Speaker 2: her son Corey's abuse. Briann Michelo sought an emergency change

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Speaker 2: of custody after seeing the bruises on Corey's body on

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Speaker 2: April first. Okay, April first is a big day. Brianna

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Speaker 2: Micheloh has her son. She sees these bruises all over

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Speaker 3: She gets.

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Speaker 2: A doctor who's an expert in child abuse injuries, and

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Speaker 2: Corey is examined. He has fourteen bruises in various stages

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Speaker 2: of healing on his body. Fourteen. The child is six

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Speaker 2: years old, he's a month away from turning seven. Got

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Speaker 2: The night before at the hospital, no problem with his lungs,

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Speaker 2: no problem with it. He's other than all the bruises

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Speaker 2: Brianna where he's taking her son, which hospital, So she's

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Speaker 2: in fear. My son's gonna die. His father has taken him.

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Speaker 2: The hospital won't tell me where you know, and the

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Speaker 2: just been denied custody okay, had sought an emergency changed

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Speaker 2: where her son is, he's dead. What has come to

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Speaker 2: light is that when Brianna Michlow took Corey to the doctor,

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Speaker 2: the doctor he specialized in child abuse, she was able

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Speaker 2: to talk to Corey about where these bruises came from.

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Speaker 2: And at first he tried to say it was football,

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Speaker 2: but he mentions falling off the treadmill. There's a videotape

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Speaker 2: from March twentieth showing six year old Corey being forced

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Speaker 2: by his father, Christopher Gregor, to get on a treadmill

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Speaker 2: in the workout gym at the apartment complex. Christopher Gregor

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Speaker 2: doesn't know there's surveillance cameras. The surveillance cameras catch Christopher

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Speaker 2: Gregor putting his six year old son on the treadmill

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Speaker 2: turns it up, makes it go faster. Christopher Gregor kept

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Speaker 2: six times, hitting his face, hitting his sides, getting dinged

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Speaker 2: different times Corey Michelo fell off the treadmill because it

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Speaker 2: At one point he's frustrated and he bites Corey on

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Speaker 2: If not for that video, the case would not be

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Dave, have you ever fallen on a treadmill I have.

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Speaker 1: It's it's one well, first off, there's a crowd round,

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Speaker 1: it's very embarrassing. But secondly, if if I fall on

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Speaker 1: And I'm grown man, been on.

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Speaker 2: I fell once, yeah, and it was last time I

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Speaker 1: It was the last out of control with the thing.

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Speaker 1: And particularly you have to understand the controls and all that.

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Speaker 1: Actually elevates elevates a six year old to have the

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Speaker 1: So that leads to this idea of weaponization of let's

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If we had one of our psychology

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Speaker 1: And you know, that's one of the things that's very

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately, with Corey, it wound up being a fatal exercise.

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Speaker 3: It what I'm watching.

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Speaker 2: When I watch Christopher Gregor with Corey Mischlow, I see

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Speaker 2: And it's that time that Christopher Gregor didn't have with

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Speaker 3: We have video of this.

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Speaker 2: And he's right. The issue is did he cause his death?

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Speaker 2: It was it running on the treadmill and the injuries.

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Speaker 2: because she said that in court.

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Speaker 1: And so hang on, I got a sort of sound

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Speaker 2: And that's that's what happened on the stand as his

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Speaker 2: But the reality issue, they said, would you stand up

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Speaker 2: So this doctor stands up and she shows them where

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Speaker 1: No, come on, so you can't.

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Speaker 2: Now we know there was a history of bruising on

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Speaker 2: What did the bruises mean, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked to stay, because you know, when

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Speaker 1: does die, everything and this is kind of an obvious statement,

432
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: everything ceases. But the beauty of that from an investigative

433
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,239
Speaker 1: standpoint is that you literally get a freeze frame at

434
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: that moment time because the bruise, the contusion is not

435
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: going to continue to resolve. It's frozen. It's frozen in

436
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: that amount of time. If the body is left preserved,

437
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: you can really do a thorough assessment if the body.

438
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: You know, if you find a body that's decomposing, which

439
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: this is not the case, then those things will be

440
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: a little bit tougher to kind of assess. But you're

441
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: looking at a bruise that's yellow. You're talking about seven

442
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: to eight days maybe nine of post trauma, of post

443
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: impact event. Because anytime you have a bruise, there is

444
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: an impact that's associated with That's the only way that

445
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: you're going to have the presentation of a contusion. What

446
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: I think the question this begs is when you look

447
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: at the external presentation of the injuries, what critical areas

448
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: of the body? Does it overlie? Now, if you look

449
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: at say a bruise that someone might have on their

450
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: bicep that doesn't have the same level of criticality, say,

451
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: for instance, if child has a bruised or blackened eye,

452
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: because now you're talking about potential brain injury. Or if

453
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: you see somebody has a bruise to their leg, Okay,

454
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: maybe their outer thigh, maybe they bumped into a table. Eh.

455
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: That can it's certainly painful, and it can tell you

456
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: a lot historically. But buddy, let me tell you something.

457
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: If you see bruises on the abdomen. Those are specific

458
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: impact injuries. How many? How many times in your life?

459
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: And in my life too, I'm asking myself the same question.

460
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: Have I walked into something with my abdominal muscles leading

461
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: the way or my abdomen leading way where I have

462
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: a specific impact site on that location anytime? And I'm

463
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: not a boxer. You know, if you're a boxer, you

464
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: get out of the ring and you're taking body shots,

465
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: you know you're going to have contusions, you know, all

466
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 1: of you. These guys don't escape, you know, right, and so,

467
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: but those bruises be the same age. So if you

468
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: get multiple sites all over the body, you know that

469
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: someone has specifically targeted in an area. Say you get

470
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: a punch to the admin, punch in the eye, or

471
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: any number of other locations, and you begin to assess

472
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: those and literally what we do at autopsy is we

473
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: in size those specific areas. You just don't look at

474
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 1: it externally. You make a cut into that area and

475
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: you can actually appreciate how the thing is resolving and

476
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: you have to track this very carefully.

477
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: Day.

478
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 3: Is that like rings of a tree?

479
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: No, it's not like rings of a tree. That's yeah,

480
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: that analogy doesn't necessarily apply here. What it does apply

481
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: to more, I think is probably targeting areas. Because let's

482
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: just say you've got a bruise. Find the bottom the

483
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: right aspect of your right rib cage the last rib anteriorly.

484
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: That approximates the area where your liver is, so on

485
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: the right side. So if you have a bruise a

486
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: contusion on your abdomen approximating in that area. And I'm

487
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: in the morgue and I'm looking at this, you know

488
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: what I'm going to think. I'm going to think, Well,

489
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: it's presenting with a bruise here, It's not an easy

490
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: area to bruise. I note this had required a tremendous

491
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: amount of impact or velocity. When I open this person's abdomen,

492
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: I want to know what the liver looks like, because

493
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: you can actually have a contusion to deliver. There's actually

494
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: another odd term I think I've mentioned before that forensic

495
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: pathologists use. It's called a fracturing of the liver. We

496
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: think fracturing with bone. You can and it's truly a laceration.

497
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: The liver splits. It's so dense and so heavy, it'll

498
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: split and fracture, and so that's seeping blood. And the

499
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: other thing you get when you open up the abdomen,

500
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: Dave is that many times you'll see the organs, the

501
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: abdominal organs, floating in blood or there'll be a pro

502
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: sense of blood. It will be clotted, and that also

503
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: gives you an idea that something has happened in the

504
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: recent past more than likely. So the external injuries that

505
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: a person, a child, and in Corey's case, that they

506
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: would be presenting with all over their body, those little

507
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: points of impact, it runs much deeper, That's what I'm

508
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: talking about. It runs much deeper. What you're seeing on

509
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: the surface is only it's a very superficial kind of

510
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: almost like X marks the spot and a treasure hunt.

511
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: When you go beneath the X at that point in time,

512
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: that's where you're really going to begin to understand how

513
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: vicious an event may have been that would have led

514
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: to an otherwise healthy sex year old child's dead.

515
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: Kids.

516
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: Kids, as you well know, kids are very resilient, you know,

517
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: I mean kids fall, they take some of the worst.

518
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: That a fall that my grandson who's you know five,

519
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: we see James is five now he'll be six soon.

520
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: A fall that Jamison might take as a five year

521
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 1: old six year old, he's it would kill you, and

522
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: I right, it would kill you. And they'll bounce back.

523
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: They'll bounce back.

524
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: And that's why when I had to listen to had

525
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: to I had to listen to the testimony of the

526
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: doctor and getting away from the clinical and just thinking

527
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: about a child. I'm telling you, Joe, I had to

528
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: stop because the number of bruises, where the bruises were

529
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: on his body, and the various stages that they were

530
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: in the healing process. It didn't go unnoticed, okay, And

531
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: I want to be clear on this that it did

532
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: not go unnoticed. But his mother, because of her past

533
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: and because she had lost in court, she had continued

534
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: to fight for Corey. She had gone back to court

535
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: many times and had talked, She had reported the abuse

536
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: that she saw. She was the one his mother, Corey's

537
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: mom takes him to the doctor on April first, where

538
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: the doctor documents all these bruises and injuries. And after that,

539
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: because it was attributed to the treadmill incident, his mother,

540
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: Corey's mom, Bree, sought custody immediately, an emergency cut because

541
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: of these abuses that she could see the boy died

542
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: the next day.

543
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: Now at waste.

544
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: Make sure make sure you tell everybody where he died.

545
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: Where did he go into rest?

546
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: Okay? Oh, here's the thing to back up. Okay.

547
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: Corey's mom, bri takes him to the doctor on April

548
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: the first. Doctor sees these bruises. Yeah, Brianna files with

549
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: the state. She files with DCCP. I think is what

550
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: it's called in New Jersey. She filed with them right away.

551
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: Corey died a day after his mother took him to

552
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: the doctor for the treadmill abuse, which was ten days.

553
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: Eleven days after the treadmill incident, Brianna Michelo reported the

554
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: abuse to DCPP and filed for emergency customs April first.

555
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: The request was denied the next day, April the second,

556
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: on nine am in the morning, Brianna had to bring

557
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: Corey back to his dad. Corey Michelo is able to

558
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: get out of the car's nine am, April the second.

559
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: He's able to get out of the car, he walks

560
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: to his dad's front door and opens the front door

561
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: himself and lets himself into the house. Nothing seems out

562
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: of the ordinary. He's fine. Later on, a couple hours later,

563
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: Brianna gets called from Christopher Gregor asking for Corey's insurance card,

564
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: saying he's lethargic, he's throwing up, he's slurring his words,

565
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: and I'm going to take him to the hospital. And

566
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: so he does. Now he doesn't tell the mother. He

567
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: does not tell Brie where he's taking Corey, just taking

568
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: her to the hospital. Taking my son to the hospital.

569
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: So she's left with calling the area hospitals, Joe trying

570
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: to find her son, who she knows is sick. She's

571
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: hauling every hospital. Finally, you know what she had to do,

572
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: she had to call the police station and say, look,

573
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: I'm not the custodian old mother. You know, he's with

574
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: his dad, but he's sick, and his dad's stating in

575
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: the hospital. But he doesn't tell me where. And that's

576
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: when the police tell her, but your son's passed. Now

577
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: she drops him off of the house of nine am.

578
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: He's fine. Later on that afternoon he has passed away.

579
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: And he actually Corey passed away in the hospital. He

580
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: was actually in that he was getting a cat scan yep,

581
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: and actually had a seizure in the cat scan at

582
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: the hospital, surrounded by doctors and nurses and he's right

583
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: there and still still he died.

584
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: They could not save his life.

585
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: Nothing they could do. Dave. He is, he is on

586
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: that slippery slope, and what it tells me is that

587
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: there is ongoing hemorrhage within him. And it's interesting of

588
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: note here. You know, he prior to be taken to

589
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: the hospital, he awakes from a nap. He realize how

590
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: hard it is to get a six year old to

591
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: take a nap. It's a herculean task to say, beliefs

592
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: it is. But he's taken a nap. If you've got

593
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: a kid that's six years old and it's in the

594
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: middle of the day like this, particularly a little boy

595
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: who's full of energy, he's bouncing around this sort of thing,

596
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: he's going to lay down and take a nap like

597
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: he's a three year old.

598
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: Old.

599
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, feel good. And when he wakes up, Dave, he's slurring.

600
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: He's slurring, he is, he's complaining of nausea, symptomology, just

601
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: kind of the disorientation and slurring the speech. That tells

602
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: me that there's probably some kind of neurological problem going on. Conversely,

603
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: it can also indicate that there is a tremendous amount

604
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: of internal blood loss going on, and that can arise

605
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: from any number of locations. Remember what I was talking

606
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: about with the points of impact. And Corey does, in

607
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: fact die in treatment room. You know where they're going

608
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: to do the CT. And I know, you know what

609
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: it's like to go into a CT. It's not as

610
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: bad as an MRI, but you know, they're they're loading

611
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: you into this this thing. You know, you're laying there

612
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: on your back and all of that, and then all

613
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden and they're talking to you. Ever notice

614
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: how they talk to you over the loud speaker.

615
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: Well, you got.

616
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: To keep you from decompensating in there. I always feel

617
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: like I'm in a you know, in a torpedo tube anyway,

618
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. You don't like being in that environment.

619
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: And look, you got a six year old kid, and

620
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: these things are noisy too. He imagined what it's like

621
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: to try to get a six year old calm down

622
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: and to keep them alert because they have to give

623
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: you directives. You're also how hard it is for a

624
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: six year old to lay still? Yeah, I know, but

625
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: yet they're giving him directives and all of a sudden

626
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: day he's not responding. He's not responding to verbal verbal

627
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: commands or directives or anything like that. Buddy, he is

628
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: going into a cardiac arrest. How many times has this

629
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: ever happened in the presence of a clinician, where you've

630
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: got a kid that's not suffering from terminal illness and

631
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: they're surrounded in a hospital and they go into a

632
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: fatal event before your eyes and there's nothing you can

633
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: do about it. But in the wake of all of

634
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: this and the fact that the police had been looking

635
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: into this, it did obviously lead to charges. But just

636
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: let me run this down to you real quick, because

637
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: I think that it needs to be plainly stated that

638
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: when when Corey was autopsied and they begin to assess

639
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: those things that you remember, you remember day were, you know,

640
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: we were talking about those things that are just under

641
00:37:52,280 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: the surface. This baby had cardiac which means heart and

642
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: liver contusions, which means he had sustained impact injuries to

643
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: his heart to his liver. There was an inflammatory response,

644
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: which means that it wasn't necessarily in the phase that

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Speaker 1: it had just happened. It had happened days before, okay,

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Speaker 1: And this was kind of a rollout. He's getting worse

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Speaker 1: and worse and worse all the way along. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the final diagnosis for this child was that he had

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Speaker 1: sustained first off consequences of chronic abuse, not acute. Acute

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Speaker 1: means suddenly chronic means Dave, ongoing, ongoing, and the entries

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Speaker 1: that he had sustained. He had blunt force impact of

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Speaker 1: the chest, the abdomen, Dave with a laceration of his heart.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of this, but when

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Speaker 1: I see this case, I think about what he endured.

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Speaker 1: People talk about how they've been injured in life and

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Speaker 1: how they've had their heart broken. This child literally died

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Speaker 1: of a broken heart. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this

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Speaker 1: is body backs