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Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, we're back with another episode of Therapy for

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Speaker 1: Black Girls University. I'm your host, doctor Joy Hard and Bradford,

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Speaker 1: and we're back with our very special conversation right after

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Speaker 1: the break. Today, we have a very special guest who

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Speaker 1: exists at the helm of entertainment, activism, wellness and spirituality.

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Speaker 1: Lenee Vinie is a dynamic activist, entertainer, and social media

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Speaker 1: staying true to her roots as a passionate advocate for

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Speaker 1: social justice. A proud Spelman College alumna, Lenae's journeys to

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Speaker 1: success has been shaped by her commitment to amplifying black

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Speaker 1: voices and advocating for change. Known for her authenticity and

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Speaker 1: powerful platform, navigates the challenges of being a public figure

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Speaker 1: with grace, maintaining a balance between sharing her life and

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Speaker 1: setting personal boundaries. With aspirations to continue growing both professionally

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Speaker 1: and as an activist, Renee serves as an inspiration for

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Speaker 1: young women, especially those from marginalized communities, aspiring to make

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Speaker 1: an impact in entertainment and activism. During our conversation, we

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Speaker 1: discuss her unprecedented journey from a psychology student through a

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Speaker 1: rigorous master's program and into the exciting new use of

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Speaker 1: the skills she gained along the way. I'm excited for

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Speaker 1: you to hear this incredible conversation. If something resonates with

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Speaker 1: you while enjoying our conversation, please share with us on

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Speaker 1: social media using the hashtag TVG in Session. Here's our conversation. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: To day La and a thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: having me here that.

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Speaker 1: We had the chance to meet for when spelm and

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Speaker 1: by so many needed things that you said and thought

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Speaker 1: that our audience could really benefit from hearing more about you.

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Speaker 1: So if you would get us started, like giving us

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Speaker 2: Okay, hey guys, what's up. My name is Lene Vinie.

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Speaker 2: You may have seen me on your timeline on a

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Speaker 2: Friday in a parking lot talking about what's going on

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Speaker 2: in the world. Then, just to make sure you know

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have a good time in a long time,

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Speaker 2: I always let you know that I'm going to keep

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Speaker 2: it black, I'm going to keep it brief. That show

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Speaker 2: is basically my take, I guess as I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you'd call it a cultural critic. Actually, I'm reading

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Speaker 2: a book on James Baldwhen and he just called me

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Speaker 2: a witness. He called me a witness and a storyteller.

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Speaker 2: And I tell stories about what's going on in the

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Speaker 2: world through the lens of being black and women and

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Speaker 2: inclusive stories. I have a background in African American studies.

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Speaker 2: I got my master's at Boston University. I got my

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Speaker 2: bachelor's in psych Actually let spell them in college. And

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Speaker 2: I actually suggests everybody get a degree in psych their

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Speaker 2: first degree in It's like if they want to get

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Speaker 2: multiple they already know that because I just feel like

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Speaker 2: understanding psychology helps you understand people, and this makes you

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Speaker 2: better at whatever your job is. So that's me.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love that, and I echo that right.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like psychology. I think, you know, most

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Speaker 1: people think like, Okay, I'm going to major in psychology.

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Speaker 1: Then I have to go on to get master's and doctorate.

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Speaker 1: But it is a very I think general kind of degree,

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Speaker 1: both of the subject matter but also because of all

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Speaker 1: the other classes that you typically have to take as

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Speaker 1: a psych major. That's a great blog. I love that.

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Speaker 1: So tell me more about your choice of Spelman College

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Speaker 1: to do your undergraduate work, and maybe how your time

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Speaker 2: So Spelman Colluse was the best decision that I've ever made. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to go to Atlanta and t from drum life.

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Speaker 2: I moved here from Virginia, and so I was just

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Speaker 2: I'm aware of HBCU culture, and I just thought it

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Speaker 2: So Clark was the first school there. We met them

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Speaker 2: was like, well, I'm not going there. It's an all girls' school.

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Speaker 2: and it's eleven women, I believe, and the picture is

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Speaker 2: it's also the common misconception that to an HBCU, you're

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Speaker 2: just entering a space of homogeneity, and that's not the truth,

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Speaker 2: Black experiences. During that time, my professors did think that

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Speaker 2: and the way that I don't know if it's intentional

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Speaker 2: I was always the type of person that went to

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Speaker 2: so I went from one degree that you typically can't

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Speaker 1: Is there any particular moment from your college experience that

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Speaker 3: Today, A pivotal moment, you know, I won't say moment,

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Speaker 2: Matriculation. I was in a community service scholars program and

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Speaker 2: we had to do ten hours of service a week

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Speaker 2: to keep our scholarship, two hundred and fifty hours a year,

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Speaker 2: and then for our first two summers, two hundred and

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Speaker 2: We were trained in servant leadership, and that is the

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Speaker 2: crux of everything that I do today. And so my

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Speaker 2: entire experience was colored with giving back an understanding community

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Speaker 2: I think the minor scholars program and I highly recomm

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Speaker 2: because it was a full ride, thank of Jesus. But

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Speaker 2: by time there, I can think of several service trips

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that you shared that you have kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think i'd always thought that I figured out

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Speaker 2: And for a time I was like, am I going

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Speaker 2: to be like a version of a yan La van Zant?

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Speaker 2: Like what am I going to do? But it has

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Speaker 2: with everyone, but through discernment understanding that I didn't have

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Speaker 2: So really digging into what my calling is and what

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Speaker 2: made the decision to go ahead to that master's program

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Speaker 2: because I knew how knowing, learning and loving and experience

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Speaker 2: made me feel empowered. And if I could get more

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Speaker 2: same thing sort of happened when I graduated my master's program.

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Speaker 2: It was me, and it was a one year master's program.

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Speaker 2: I think the worst lesson I had to learn. I think,

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Speaker 2: of myself. I used to dance. I didn't even stretch.

435
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Speaker 2: I'm back to doing one and a half hour stretch

436
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Speaker 2: sessions every morning. A playlist plays, I get into my body.

437
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: I got the little muscle gun too. When things get

438
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Speaker 2: extra tight. My dog hates it because he wants me

439
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Speaker 2: to give him attention. I got the dog. It was

440
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Speaker 2: supposed to be for my mental health. I'm not really

441
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Speaker 2: sure where the verdict is on that, because as my

442
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: emotional support animal. He don't seem to give a darn

443
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Speaker 2: about my emotions. I started drinking the tea that I

444
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: was pouring in every video, what else, making sure I

445
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: was being more intentional about a relationship with God and

446
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: understanding that it can't literally all be done through me,

447
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: that I have to believe in something community therapy, Yeah, therapy.

448
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, because I got that degree psychology, I thought

449
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Speaker 2: my self awareness sufficed for actual processing and it didn't.

450
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't processing. I was compartmentalizing. And while I think

451
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Speaker 2: a degree of compartmentalizing is necessary to exist period in

452
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: today's day and age, I was just shutting stuff up

453
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Speaker 2: in places there was no trash chute built for the

454
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Speaker 2: stuff to fall down and out of, Like it was

455
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Speaker 2: just there and I was just blocking it and the

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Speaker 2: recesses of my mind. And I was still moving on,

457
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Speaker 2: but I just had to. I just had to put

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Speaker 2: things down. I'm in a season of putting things down

459
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Speaker 2: right now, actually, And so I think it's also important

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Speaker 2: for people to understand that even after you have that

461
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Speaker 2: come to Jesus that you got to take care of yourself,

462
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Speaker 2: it's still a cycle of having to take care of yourself,

463
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Speaker 2: Like sometimes things still like you don't just like master

464
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Speaker 2: balance because life comes at you fast.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like you have a team in place

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Speaker 1: for the business, but it also sounds like there's a

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Speaker 1: team place to support Lenie, right, like so your best friend.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it's a part of the business. But

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Speaker 1: also I imagine a nice support to have just personally

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Speaker 1: and the therapist. I mean, who else is on your

471
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Speaker 1: team to support the personhood of the nie the person

472
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Speaker 1: that I have.

473
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Speaker 2: An assistant that helps me do a number of things.

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Speaker 2: I actually have multiple assistants, and I know that's business,

475
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Speaker 2: but it just helps take a load off on me

476
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Speaker 2: personally with my scheduling and things that I have to

477
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 2: be It helps me be present day to day and

478
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Speaker 2: she's handling all the intricacies in the background. Personally. I

479
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Speaker 2: would also say, my mom, we just we just agreed

480
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Speaker 2: to do weekly walks on the weekend. She lives about

481
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Speaker 2: an hour away, but we walk together on the weekends.

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Speaker 2: I have two other very close friends. We check in

483
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Speaker 2: every day and it's funny as one of their partners

484
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: was like, what's on you guys masterclass for this morning?

485
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Speaker 2: What deep topic are we delving into? But they really

486
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Speaker 2: helped me process as well. Yeah, community period.

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Speaker 1: More from our conversation after the break and you mentioned

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Speaker 1: authenticity right like that that has really shaped the kinds

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Speaker 1: of organizations you've worked with or even opportunities that maybe

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Speaker 1: you have had to pass on. What has been the

491
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Speaker 1: process of staying true to your authenticity as your platform

492
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: has grown?

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Speaker 2: I think just asking myself, does it feel right? Does

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Speaker 2: it make sense? Is this something that I could defend

495
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: without making excuses like I do I believe in this decision?

496
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Speaker 2: Am I making this decision because I think it's a

497
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: necessary decision to make and just saying no a lot

498
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: saying no and building the confidence to tell my team

499
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: on the business side, so I've got different managers, brand

500
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: partnership coordinators what I'm comfortable with and what I'm not.

501
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: And I think that's also a part of the work

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Speaker 2: because if what I do, if the goal of what

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Speaker 2: I do, or if what I think the goal of

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Speaker 2: what I do is to make sure other folks are

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Speaker 2: empowered so that in any field they're in, they can

506
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: have vocabulary, they can have receipts, they can have courage

507
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: to push back against the status quoth, then I must

508
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: do that as well, so my team has gotten accustomed

509
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: to me saying the sensitive taboo topic in the meeting room.

510
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: So you're aware of my politics if you would like

511
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Speaker 2: to represent me, want me to do things, and can

512
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Speaker 2: be aware of my politics and do your best not

513
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Speaker 2: to align me with people who don't allow my politics.

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Speaker 2: And that's been difficult.

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Speaker 1: As well, difficult in finding people who would be the

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Speaker 1: voice for you.

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Speaker 2: No difficult than being that voice for myself. Oh got it,

518
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: because it also requires that you have conviction that you're

519
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: able to stand up. And I have an amazing team,

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00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: but I just also think that I am the first

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Speaker 2: of my kind in terms of the type of people

522
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Speaker 2: that they've worked with, because, particularly in the entertainment industry,

523
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: on that politics stuff, it's in the air, but it's

524
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: not in here. We just do our job. We get

525
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: on the screen and we look pretty. But that can't

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Speaker 2: be the case because of the brand that I built.

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Speaker 2: And I don't regret that it's hard. Here'a go choosing

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Speaker 2: the hard stuff.

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Speaker 1: That shows up. Again. Yeah, so you mentioned and I've

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Speaker 1: heard other black women with like large platforms talk about

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Speaker 1: this like desire from your audience to like speak on

532
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Speaker 1: all the things do all the things you know, kind

533
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Speaker 1: of be a voice and a mouthpiece. But something else

534
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: that often comes up is this boundary setting around the audience,

535
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: like feeling like they know you and like always wanting more.

536
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: How have you navigated setting boundaries around continuing to be

537
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Speaker 1: authentic and show up but still saving some stuff for yourself.

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Speaker 2: I used to respond to comments, I used to respond

539
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: to DM and now I just don't. Now I just

540
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: don't because I think I was internalizing the expectation that

541
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: because these people have helped me with my platform, I

542
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: owe them a response or I owe them excuse me

543
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: an explanation When I am a person and I cannot

544
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Speaker 2: possibly answer to seven hundred ninety seven thousand people, I

545
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: absolutely cannot, and they shouldn't expect me to. So it's

546
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Speaker 2: not to say that I don't consider my audience, because

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00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: I consider them every time I choose the subject to discuss,

548
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: but giving myself the room to say I don't have

549
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Speaker 2: to engage this has also reduced the amount of requests

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Speaker 2: that I get. I mean, it's not like, you know,

551
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: every individual person that's emailed me tells arrest of everybody. Hey,

552
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: she's not responding to emails. But maybe it's just like

553
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: the energy that I'm putting out into the universe, like

554
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: I'm being rewarded and just not even getting as many

555
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: of those represts anymore. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Maybe so. So, given all the success you've achieved with

557
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Speaker 1: your platform, are there any big goals that you set

558
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Speaker 1: for yourself about what's next?

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Speaker 2: I started a new contract and at the end of

560
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: the month, actually and it's given me the power and

561
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: freedom to say and do what I want to do,

562
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: and I'm really grateful for that. But beyond that, I

563
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: have some personal projects that I've also been working on

564
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: for some time, and the market has told me time

565
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: and time again the ideas are great, but the market

566
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: isn't ready. So I'm going to make the market ready.

567
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Speaker 2: And I've been able to partner with some amazing writers

568
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: and producers and take amazing meetings to bring my ideas

569
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Speaker 2: to life. And so I'm going to be focusing on

570
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Speaker 2: those things a lot more as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, will stay tuned, We'll stay tuned for this big announcent.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited for whatever it is. I think it

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Speaker 1: is interesting we find ourselves I think at a very

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Speaker 1: interesting time in history, and I think much of your

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Speaker 1: work is likely as you take a deep breath. As

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Speaker 1: we all take these deep breaths, right, I'm wondering if

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Speaker 1: there is any different way that you're kind of conceptualizing

578
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Speaker 1: your work or reconsidering some things kind of given the

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Speaker 1: current climate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, something that I've done for a while now is

581
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Speaker 4: just make sure I'm not rushing to be the first

582
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Speaker 4: person to say something, or rushing to say something just

583
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Speaker 4: because it's going viral on this one day.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of creators who work well like that.

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Speaker 2: I just don't who are able to hop on same

586
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: day as something happens and just like give their feedback

587
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: and speak to the audience to keep them informed. But

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00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: that boundary setting is also for me, yeah, to only

589
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: come on Fridays. But something else that I think I

590
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: have to do on top of that right now, because

591
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: there's so much happening and you just need a second

592
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: to figure out how do I even summarize all this?

593
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: What are the key points that need to be taken away?

594
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Speaker 2: Because it's also why comedy has been important in my

595
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: series throughout, because we got to have something to balance

596
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: out the bad. You know, our people we laugh to

597
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Speaker 2: keep from crying. Laughter is the best medicine and all

598
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: the phrases that have become core to our culture. But

599
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: it's just also necessary to keep us going. I am

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Speaker 2: dealing in hope. I'm not dealing in resilience. And while

601
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Speaker 2: I think resilience is extremely necessary in times like these,

602
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Speaker 2: I'm searching for something new, something fresh, because what I

603
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: don't want is for our people to enter another movement

604
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Speaker 2: hardening themselves and have nowhere to put it. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: i haven't found all of my words for it yet,

606
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Speaker 2: but I'm trying to leave resilience where she's at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that you made that such an important distinction, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we shouldn't stop at resilience, I think, is what

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00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah. So one of the things that I

610
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Speaker 1: was super inspired by when we worked on the panel

611
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Speaker 1: together at Spelman was how many students I think you

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Speaker 1: inspire it, right, and like, how many people you are

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Speaker 1: now a career like, oh, career day Like I want

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Speaker 1: to follow in her path. So what would you say

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Speaker 1: to the young women who have been inspired by all

616
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Speaker 1: the doors that you have opened up? What kinds of

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Speaker 1: things would you say to them?

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Speaker 2: I would say to them, good news is there should

619
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Speaker 2: be a lot more answers by the time that you

620
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Speaker 2: get here, because it was woods and we took a

621
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Speaker 2: machete and an axe and we just carved this path

622
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Speaker 2: like we figured out what's what this was, because I

623
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Speaker 2: hadn't really seen it done before the way that I

624
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: wanted to do it. But I would make sure that

625
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Speaker 2: they understand that as many influencers that have these courses

626
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Speaker 2: and starter packs and what you need to do, one

627
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: thing no one's lying about is that authenticity piece. You

628
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: will not be able to grasp an audience without authenticity,

629
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Speaker 2: and so you really have to make sure. You might

630
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Speaker 2: want to follow my footsteps, but you have to do

631
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Speaker 2: it your way. You cannot follow my formula. I hate

632
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Speaker 2: to tell you, not that I don't think that you

633
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: could do it well, but it's not for you to

634
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Speaker 2: do well. Like you have to have your own stamp

635
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: and you have to be passionate about that thing. You

636
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: have to have your own boundaries because this is an

637
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: industry that could take a lot out of you. People

638
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: think that because it seems to them that you're just

639
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Speaker 2: setting up your phone and a ring light or whatever

640
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: the tech is the next time that it's easy to

641
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: do and that you can do it like a pack mule.

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00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: You can't. You still need routine, you still need flow,

643
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 2: you still need scheduling, you still need an organization. An

644
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: organization seems like such a work or discipline focused thing,

645
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: but it's also for your self care. I'm planning a

646
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Speaker 2: second nap after this. I scheduled that nap and then

647
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: I'll get up and I'll do more things. But you

648
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: have to organize your rest as well. And those are

649
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: the best things that I will say. Because technology is

650
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: also changing even as we speak, so who's to say what?

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't have to be on Instagram. It can

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Speaker 2: obviously be a podcast. You can do YouTube, you can

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Speaker 2: do what's that other one discord. There's so many different

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Speaker 2: apps that have the opportunity to be monetized, and if

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Speaker 2: you're paying attention to what's doing, what's fresh, it might

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Speaker 2: be the opportunity for you to get in early. So

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Speaker 2: don't always think that you have to get a piece

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Speaker 2: of what seems to be the most popular thing. You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so so much of what you said to Dayly

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Speaker 1: Nay really sounds like it comes from a place of

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Speaker 1: you just being very grounded and like connected to self, right,

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Speaker 1: Like the the things that I need, Like I know

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Speaker 1: this about myself, and I think that that can be

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Speaker 1: go go, And like, I think it really encourages like

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Speaker 1: this disconnection with self. What kinds of things have helped

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Speaker 1: you to stay still enough so that you can formulate

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Speaker 1: that connection.

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Speaker 2: Stillness is new to me. I did just go antique

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Speaker 2: shopping and found a nice little chair inside table for

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Speaker 2: my patio, and I sit out there. I think meditation

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Speaker 2: is necessary. I think writing is necessary, journaling. I've started

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Speaker 2: over the Artist's Way several times, haven't gotten past chapter one,

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Speaker 2: but I am doing morning pages every day, and that's

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Speaker 2: just three pages of free thought. They've turned into praise

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Speaker 2: for me. So that's also just time I spend it spiritually,

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Speaker 2: but making sure I'm getting that guidance. I'm always a

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Speaker 2: student as well. I'm always a student. I don't wish

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Speaker 2: to be the smartest person in the room. Listen and

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Speaker 2: I'm observant. I sit back and I glean, and I

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Speaker 2: take what's for me, what feels good, and I put

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Speaker 2: down what doesn't feel good. We don't have to adapt

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Speaker 2: to formulas for other people's success, but you should expose

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Speaker 2: yourself to the ways in which people go about different things,

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Speaker 2: just so you can begin to try on the path

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Speaker 2: of what might work for you and understand that sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's going to be terrible. Sometimes it's not going to

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Speaker 2: make sense. But that's part of the trial and error

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Speaker 2: till you figure out you it's a journey.

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Speaker 1: I love that. So what would you say to eighteen

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Speaker 1: year old Renie?

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Speaker 2: Eighteen year old Renee? What was she giving?

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Speaker 3: Girl?

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Speaker 2: I've been watching my mouth then I guess no. Oh okay, girl,

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Speaker 2: just wait on it. You feel teddies hole, it's really you.

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Speaker 2: Just give yourself two seconds. It's okay, baby. You don't

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Speaker 2: need all of this. These people who are not your

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Speaker 2: friends are not your friends. And you know that. And

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Speaker 2: she she definitely wanted to give the friendship and the

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Speaker 2: love that she was missing. And what I would tell

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Speaker 2: her most is to give that to you. And as

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Speaker 2: soon as you start giving that to you, you are

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Speaker 2: about to blossom. You're about to flourish, and it's not

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Speaker 2: gonna be nothing nobody can tell you, and you will

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Speaker 2: be unstoppable. Yeah, that's what I love that. Love that.

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Speaker 1: That's a message for all of us eighteen years old

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Speaker 1: or not, so, where can we stay connected with you?

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Speaker 2: Lennee?

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Speaker 1: How do we find out about all the new news

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna be announcing. What's your website as well

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Speaker 1: as any social media channels you'd like to share?

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Speaker 2: Well, Instagram is just where everything comes from, So just

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Speaker 2: make sure you're following that Instagram that is l y

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Speaker 2: n ae v A n ee and just stay tuned

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Speaker 2: because is coming and it's coming very soon.

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Speaker 1: Show to include all of that in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for spending some time today. I

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed you. Of course, I'm so glad Lynne was

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Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Elise Ellis and Tyrie Rush.

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Speaker 1: Editing was done by Dennison Bradford. Thank y'all so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me for this episode of TBGU. I look

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Speaker 1: forward to continuing this conversation with you all real soon.

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Speaker 1: Take good care,