1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: I write a culture column in The New York Post, 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: sometimes on themes that I also cover on this show, 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: though I veer into politics much more often over there. 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: On Friday, I wrote a column about two new books 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: that you've definitely heard me talk about on here, one 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: called Get Married by Brad Wilcox, who has been on 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: this show in October, and one called The Two Parent 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: Privileged by Melissa Kearney, which I've talked about on the 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: show in previous monologues. These books are interesting to me 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: because they collect a ton of data to show that 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: getting married, especially if you're having children, is just a 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: giant positive for your life. Wilcox and Kearney both rely 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: on actual numbers to tell their stories. Meanwhile, as I 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 1: write in my piece, The New York Times has had 16 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: something like ten articles about polyamory just in the last year. 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: I write from a story about polyamorous couples holding Celtic 18 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: ceremonies last February and to fix a broken marriage experiment 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: with polyamory in March. To interested in polyamory, check out 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: these places. In May, the New York Times is also 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: published interviews with therapists who suggest polyamory. They answered ethical 22 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: questions for men who want to pressure their wives to 23 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: open their marriages. They reviewed a book by a deeply 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: unhappy polyamorous woman, and finally they covered the solo poly person, 25 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: whatever that is. 26 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: Now, there is zero. 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: Data to support that a polyamorous life will lead to happiness, 28 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: yet the New York Times keeps pushing it, and those 29 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: of us arguing for marriage are somehow the controversial ones. 30 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: But I got an email from my friend about my piece, 31 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: and I'm going to read it to you in its 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: entirety here because I think it's really relevant and you 33 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: need to hear these kinds of voices. 34 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: She writes, I. 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: Believe it is obvious on its face that a happily 36 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: married couple is a better environment for children. I don't 37 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: think we need to be talking about it as though 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: it's policy, and anyone not in an ideal situation ended 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: up there by choice, Like no little girl grows up 40 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: dreaming of the day she'll be a single mom on 41 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: federal assistance. No boy dreams of the moment he'll walk 42 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: out on his family. He does it because he's a selfish, terrified, prick, 43 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: not because he didn't read Brad Wilcox's book. Obviously, people 44 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: would prefer to be parents as part of a loving, 45 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: supportive couple. I don't really get why conservatives feel the 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: need to forcibly say this constantly. Instead, shouldn't we focus 47 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: on empowering women in crisis pregnancies to embrace the beautiful 48 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: baby growing inside them, explore the support she could have 49 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: in her own community, even if she's not in a 50 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: perfect situation. Second, I don't think it's healthy for kids, 51 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: many of whom are in divorced home, single parent homes, 52 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: homes with awful parents, etc. To constantly hear from the 53 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: right you're screwed because you don't have two parents. We 54 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: are the party of happy marriage and happy parents. I 55 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: think it's so much more important to share with kids 56 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: that the American dream is for everyone and everyone has 57 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: the same opportunities as everyone else. It's smacks of victim glorification, 58 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: and frankly, I think it's pro abortion to be so 59 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: black and white about what an American family is supposed 60 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: to be. I'm on a quest to be a solo mom, 61 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: not because I hate men, not because I'm anti marriage 62 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: or that I put my career first because I'm forty 63 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: and this is really my option to have a baby, 64 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: and what babies kids really need is love. I'm so 65 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: happy for women and men who found each other young 66 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: and forged a perfect marriage and had kids in an 67 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: appropriate age. But that doesn't happen for everyone, not because 68 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: we're liberal scum, but because that is life. I love 69 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: that science has afforded me the opportunity to be a mommy, 70 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: even without the perfect picture end quote. I feel this 71 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: very deeply, and when I talk about happy marriage is 72 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: I do worry about offending people. I've talked about this 73 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: on the show, but I think meeting the right person 74 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: requires more than a little luck, and I wish people 75 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: would be more open about that. I think the people 76 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: who think that they skillfully got into a good marriage, 77 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of luck involved. I also 78 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: think my friend is going to be an amazing mother, 79 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: and I have absolutely no judgment about her decisions. But 80 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: the reason I think we need to keep talking about 81 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: the positive parts of marriage is because there's an onslaught 82 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: of negativity around marriage. People continue to believe that half 83 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: of marriages end in divorce, for example, but the truth 84 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: is divorced numbers peaked in nineteen eighty and have been 85 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: down steadily ever since then. Or like my polyamory example, 86 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: why are there ten articles about it in one year 87 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: in the New York Times. If they're not trying to 88 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: destroy traditional marriage, why are they pushing it. I understand 89 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: that an individual's might be single parents, and I will 90 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: support and cheer for my friends, But I see it 91 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: as a fight against misinformation disinformation to say that marriage 92 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: is best. If those voices didn't exist, if we'd and 93 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: have a slew of content pushing the idea that marriage 94 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: is this outdated idea for suckers, I wouldn't focus on it, 95 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: but there is so I do. I also learned in 96 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: the last year while I toured for my book, I 97 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: kept having people come up to me and say things 98 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: like I don't speak to my child anymore, or my 99 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: kids grew up and they don't talk to me anymore 100 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: because over politics or over COVID regulations or that kind 101 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: of thing. It's really sad to me. But beyond that, 102 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: I always ask them and actually side note to this. 103 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: Bill Ackman, who's become this big activist the other day 104 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: posted about the fact that his daughter went to Harvard 105 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: and came back a Marxist, and I really would love 106 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: to know, like, did you talk about your values at home. 107 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: It's not so much that I'm pushing these ideas on 108 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: people now, It's that I'm trying to lay down the 109 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: foundation for the future. So when I'm telling my kids 110 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: at home, I hope you get married. I've seen data 111 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: that says that that's not what other people are telling 112 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: into their kids, and I'm saying you should. So I 113 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: don't want people to think of this as I'm judging 114 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: anybody's life. 115 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: I'm not. 116 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: I understand the way things go, and I understand that 117 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: things don't always work out like you want them to. 118 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: But we have to think about the future and about 119 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: the way that we're raising the next generation. And to me, 120 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 1: that's why you need to keep showing this evidence for marriage, 121 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: and you need to bring back the idea that marriage 122 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: is the best path. We've gone so far off of it, 123 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: and that's really what the problem is to me. Coming 124 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: up next and interview with Monica Crowley. Join us after 125 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: the break. 126 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 3: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 127 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 3: My guest today is Monica Crowley. Monica is a prominent 128 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: news analyst, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the 129 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: Trump administration, and host of the excellent Monica Crowley podcast. 130 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: Hi Monica, we thank you so much for having me 131 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: today and for that fantastic introduction. 132 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: That's how nice to have you on. And so I've 133 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: known you obviously. I've known about you for a very 134 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: long time. You were always in the public eye and 135 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: you and I only met for the first time last year. 136 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: You invited me to lunch. 137 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: You were so sweet, and in that lunch I learned 138 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: that you had written a letter to Richard Nixon and 139 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: ended up becoming his research assistant. Is that right? 140 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: Foreign policy assistant. Ye, there's a lot of research work 141 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: in too. 142 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent. And then you ended up writing two books 143 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: about the man. 144 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: Right. 145 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: So what I remember thinking during that lunch like, I 146 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: don't know enough about Richard Nixon. He is sort of 147 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: a blank. I know the big stories, right, but what 148 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: do people not know about Nixon? 149 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for the question, Carol, because it is 150 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: my favorite topic because he doesn't get enough attention, and 151 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: what he does get attention, it's almost always negative. He 152 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: doesn't get a lot of love certainly from academia or 153 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: the imperial media, which is his phrase. By the way, 154 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: I have been talking about this now on my podcast. 155 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: The Nixon Foundation just put out an old clip of 156 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: President Nixon from I think the nineteen eighties where he 157 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: was talking about how, you know, the criticism of what 158 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: used to be called the imperial presidency. The left would 159 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: attack Richard Nixon or Ronald Reagan, any Republican president as 160 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: an presidency, right, And his point was so brilliant. He said, 161 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: you know, the presidency has a lot of checks and 162 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: balances on it. Congress can check the president, Supreme Court 163 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: can check the president, the press, the people can check 164 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: the president. So there are a lot of limitations on 165 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: the American president, but there are no limitations on the media. 166 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: So he said, I'm going to refer to the to 167 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: the media as the imperial media. So I am now 168 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: using that phrase everywhere, and I'm you too, can I 169 00:08:59,640 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: like that? 170 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 171 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: But he certainly doesn't get enough of positive attention for 172 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: who he was and what he accomplished throughout his entire 173 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: political life and career. And I feel very blessed that 174 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: I was able to work with him during the last 175 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: couple of years of his life as a foreign policy 176 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: assistant and really get to know the man. You know, 177 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 2: there are all human beings behind the amccar of president. 178 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: And I can tell you that Richard Nixon was brilliant, 179 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: which even his detractors will concede reluctantly, but they won't 180 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: see brilliant. He was a true intellectual in the sense 181 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: that he loved ideas and battling ideas and developing new 182 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: ideas and bouncing ideas off of people he respected, including Democrats. 183 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: This was a defray, but he was very close to 184 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: Democrat Senator Daniel Patrick moynihan of New York, very close 185 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: to Mario Cuomo, the Democrat governor of New York, and 186 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: they would swa books. They would send each other books 187 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 2: that they've read, all underlined and dog eared, and then 188 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: when the other one read it, they'd call each other 189 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: and spend hours on the phone just talking about the 190 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: book and the ideas that were in there. So he 191 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: was brilliant. He was an intellectual, but he was also 192 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: very kind and generous and funny, an extraordinary sense of humor. 193 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: And you know, because the Imperial media did not want 194 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: people to know that side of him, they blocked a 195 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 2: lot of that right and turned Richard Nixon into a villain, 196 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: particularly after Watergate. But as we now know, with more 197 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: evidence coming out and what we now know about the 198 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: deep state and what the deep state is capable of, 199 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: there's growing evidence that in fact, the deep state framed 200 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 2: President Nixon with and removed him because he could not 201 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: be controlled. And you know, there's so much more to 202 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 2: get into on that question, but I want people to 203 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 2: know that Richard Nixon wasn't just a god great man 204 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: and a great president, but he was also a very 205 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: good man. 206 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: The third Nixon book potentially forthcoming that sounds interesting to 207 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 3: be maybe. 208 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, because now we have all of this knowledge that 209 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: there actually is a deep state. It's very powerful. It's 210 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: the shadowy cabal of unelected, unaccountable people who move between 211 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: the security state and law enforcement dj FBI, CIA, and 212 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 2: also globally as well, with the globalist dimension to this. 213 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 2: And I think more and more people, Carol, are coming 214 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: to understand that the actual power in this country is 215 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: not in the White House, regardless of who is the president, 216 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: or on Old Hill, or at the Supreme Court, or 217 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: in governor's mansions, but it's actually with this shadow deep 218 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: state that really exercises power and has a lot of 219 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: our elected representatives compromise or blackmailable or extortable, and has 220 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: like a gun to their head to do the deep 221 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: state in globalist bidding. I think a lot of people 222 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: are coming to understand that many are for representatives are 223 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 2: actually not representing us at all, and are taking this 224 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: country off a cliff. Ire Nixon was one of the 225 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: first to understand that, and look at what they did 226 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: to him, right, So maybe there is a third book 227 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: in there exactly. 228 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: I'd love to read that. So you mentioned that Nixon 229 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 3: reached across the aisle, and I'm not necessarily waiting for 230 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: our politicians to do the same. I think we've become 231 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 3: so polarized that I don't even want them necessarily to 232 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 3: reach across the aisle a lot of the time, because 233 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 3: I think that the solutions they come up with when 234 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: they do merge their interests are usually not good for 235 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 3: any of us. But what about on like a more 236 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: cultural or societal level, like how do we get people 237 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: to not be in their silos so much like how 238 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 3: do we do the Nixon model? But like not for politicians? 239 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, and it's a really hard one, Carol, 240 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: because we are at this point in American society and 241 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: life where politics have shot through everything. Politics is everywhere. 242 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 2: You can't watch an NFL game without politics in your 243 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: face and kneeling athletes, and you can't watch, you know, 244 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: the World Cup soccer match without soccer players. And it's 245 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: in the culture. And Disney is preaching to us and 246 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: our kids, you know, with this woke nonsense. Every time 247 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: you want to take your kid to an animated Disney 248 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 2: movie for a nice little escape, you can't escape, right. 249 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: It is everywhere you go. It's right in your face. 250 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: And so what's happened is that political values then have 251 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: become your central set of values. It used to be 252 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: like your values, your your core values were your faith. Right, 253 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: your faith become the organizing principle in your life. You know, 254 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 2: your belief in God or not, whatever it might be, Judaism, Catholicism, 255 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: Christianity more generally Islam, whatever it was, that was the 256 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: organizing principle in your life. And then everything kind of 257 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: followed from that. Well, now we've got a situation where 258 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: for most people, politics is the organizing principle. It is 259 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: sort of the core pillar and everything then flows from that, 260 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: and then it's reinforced everywhere you look, the sports media, 261 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: you name it. It's everywhere, right in your face. So 262 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: to get people to transcend that is a very difficult 263 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: thing because they have now internalized their political views who 264 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: they are, and it becomes their identity. So you're asking 265 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: people then to transcend their identity to try to come 266 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: together with someone who thinks a different way. That is 267 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: a very tall task. It's not impossible, but I think 268 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: it's going to take leadership in a lot of different areas, 269 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: not just politics. We focus a lot, obviously for the 270 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: reason I stated on that, but culturally faith leaders. It's 271 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: going to take a lot of people to regain their 272 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: courage and be willing and able to speak out on 273 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: these issues and try to bring people together on things 274 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: other than politics where we might have some ground like hey, 275 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: I couldn't stand the barbing movie. Oh well, maybe one 276 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: of the neo Marxist trying to destroy the country also. 277 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: That can actually have a conversation, but it's very difficult 278 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: to do. And I'll give you a little anecdote from 279 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: my personal life, Carol, because this is so devastating to me. 280 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: One of my very very dear friends over the last 281 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: you know, thirty years, somebody that I went to college 282 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: with and was a college roommate with and just absolutely 283 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: adored her, and she and I just got all like 284 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: a house on fire for the last couple of decades. 285 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: You know, she lives in Vermont, she works in social work, 286 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: So I mean that she voted Democrat. It never mattered 287 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: to me. It never mattered to me at all. And 288 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: I had assumed all these years that it never mattered 289 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: to her too, And I guess it didn't until Donald 290 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: Trump came along. And you know, I was one of his, 291 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: if not his very first non family public supporter forty 292 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: eight onwards after he came down the escalator, and then 293 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: of course spent two years in his administration in Washington, 294 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: the Treasury Department. So I mean, I really am a 295 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: Trump loyalist, right, And I will tell you earlier this year, 296 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: you know, I reached out to her for her birthday 297 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: and she texted back, thank you so much, and I said, 298 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: let's have a phone call. Let's catch up. We haven't 299 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: talked to like eight or nine months, whatever it was. 300 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: And she didn't respond right away, and I followed up 301 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: and she didn't respond to that text, and I knew 302 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: something was up. And finally I got this long text 303 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 2: from her, and she tried to be sweet about it, occupant, 304 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: but she was like, she didn't want to break up 305 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: with me as a friend, but it was really a 306 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: kind of a harsh reality, which is, you know, she 307 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: said to me, I have two daughters and I'm very 308 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: concerned about the world they're going to grow up in. 309 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: And I wanted to scream, well, if you're that concerned, 310 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 2: she means up being fitting for Trump so he was 311 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: just joining the country, but I didn't. But she said, 312 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 2: you know, she got to the values question of what 313 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: we were just talking about. It's like, I can't really 314 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: relate to what you value. And I was like, and 315 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 2: not lewis America, And yes, I have political stance that 316 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: I value, of course, but I also value our friendship, right, yeah. 317 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 2: And I tried to soften it with my response, and 318 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: you know, we kind of went back and forth a 319 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: little bit more. But it was so shocking to me 320 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: because I haven't experienced it, although we all know people 321 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: who have and A'msulian, you pass you but and you know, 322 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 2: trying to overcome that first of all with people that 323 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: are you know, just acquaintances to your wor strangers or 324 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: people that you just meet. That's one thing right with 325 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: long friends, and some people have family members where they 326 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: can't overcome it. It is a tall, tall order and 327 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: it gets to the fund and manual iss Yeah. 328 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 3: I think that's so just depressing to lose a really 329 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: long time friend over politics. 330 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 331 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 332 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 3: It is a values question, but a lot of things 333 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: that make up friendships, especially when you're not close by, 334 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 3: are things like things that make you laugh both you 335 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 3: know you both laugh at the same things, or you 336 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 3: know you you have things in common other than where 337 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 3: you stand on various political issues. And I just find 338 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 3: that so sad. The funny thing is I lost the 339 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 3: majority of friends that I was going to lose during 340 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: the George W. Bush administration, so you know, it was 341 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 3: cut off early on, and I think it would have 342 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: only gotten worse from there anyway, but it was just 343 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 3: that time period was sort of the culling in my life. 344 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 3: So like right now, a lot of Jews, for example, 345 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 3: are saying that a lot of you know, they're they're 346 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: having to cut off anti Israel friends and et cetera. 347 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: I don't have any of that anymore. I think all 348 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: the people that I lost, like in the you know, 349 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: two thousand and one to two thousand and five, are 350 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: would have been in that category and I didn't even 351 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 3: have them to lose this time around. But it is sad, 352 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: and I think that it is a bad sign for 353 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 3: our country when lifelong friends can't stay friends over politics. 354 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: It's just it's depressing to me. But one thing that 355 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: I wanted to kind of talk to you about is 356 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 3: I've had a lot of you know, famous people on 357 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 3: this show, but I think you are one of the 358 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 3: more like recognizable ones. So for a lot of the 359 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 3: other guests, I say to them, like, do you get 360 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: recognized in the street? But I know you get recognized 361 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 3: in the street, Like you'r Monica Crowley, You get recognized. 362 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 3: Is it hard to make friends being like at your 363 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: level of famous? Oh? 364 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: Well, that's very kind of you and thank you. And 365 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 2: I'm not so sure about that. I mean, there's like 366 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: Madonna level of faith, Dona Trump, hellob you want that. 367 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: Nobody wants me, Carol, It's not I won't put to 368 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 3: tell me stare you and me are in the same category, 369 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: but thank you. 370 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: Well, it's true. No, it's true, and particularly because of 371 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: what we do, right, we're speaking on current events, so 372 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 2: it makes us controversial. We're not. It's not like Taylor Swift, 373 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: who's putting out great music that everybody can enjoy. It's there. 374 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 2: You're just taking a real claim and write with a 375 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 2: point of view, and so it's of course it's going 376 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 2: to alienate maybe half the country. I will say, it's 377 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 2: when you're saying get recognized. I would qualify that Carol 378 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: by saying, it depends where I am in the country. 379 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 2: So when I'm in New York City, I could literally 380 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: streak naked down fifth that and they want yeah, no 381 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: one even bad and I they'd just be like, who 382 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 2: is that crazy person running down to attacking nut. But 383 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 2: when I'm in Florida or Texas or a more conservative state, 384 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 2: then yeah, you know, sometimes I do get recognized, and 385 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: it's always lovely because generally people are so nice and 386 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 2: they just want to picture say hello or to say 387 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: thank you for being our voice, you know on Fox News, Box, business, 388 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: your podcast, you know, monarchy, your columns, whatever of your 389 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: things in terms of representing us and how we think 390 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: thank you for that, and that always means the last 391 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: meets well. I always take the time, no matter where 392 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 2: I am, to take every picture, to talk to every person, 393 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 2: to really look at them in the eye and make 394 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: sure that they are seen, at least by me. You 395 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: know that they are seen because you know what, Carol, 396 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: In the end, most people just want to be heard, 397 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: and I just want seen as human beings. This is 398 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: one of the huge keys of Donald Trump that I 399 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: don't think anybody else recognized. In two thousand and sixteen, 400 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: when he was first running, he looked at the forgotten 401 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: men and women in this country and he said, I 402 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 2: see you, I hear you, and I will be your champion. 403 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: Do you know how powerful emotionally that argument? I extraordinarily 404 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: powerful because those Americans just have felt invisible by their 405 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: elected leaders on both sides of the aisles for decades. 406 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: And here comes a guy who had never done any 407 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 2: of this before, who said, no, no, no, I hear 408 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 2: you and I see you, and I'm going to stand 409 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 2: up for you. And then he did so that kind 410 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 2: of emotional bond with the voters, not political, not intellectual, 411 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 2: emotional based again on value, but also in treating people 412 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: as human beings is extraordinary and I know the power 413 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 2: of that as well, because I want to be seen 414 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: and heard to the way to work on TV and 415 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 2: Ray Hrick. Yeah, I'll do, and I make sure that 416 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: when anybody approaches me. I've only had one in the 417 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: course of my career. I've only had one crazy left 418 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 2: winger approached me in a nasty way on the street 419 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: in New York. Of course, this was years ago, I think, 420 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: during the George W. Bush years, and he cannot yeah 421 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: be about the Iraq War and calling me a fascist, 422 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: and I just laughed and walked away. But really so, 423 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 2: I'm very lucky in my career. 424 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: Do you feel like you've made it? 425 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 2: That is such a great question, Jeryl ask all of 426 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: your guests that, and I really APPRETI a question, and 427 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 2: I've been thinking on it because I think it's like 428 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: a deceptively simple question. I think that's there's a lot 429 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 2: of dynamism built into that question. I think you know 430 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: when you say make it, there's so many different avenues 431 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: to that, right, make it personally in your personal life, 432 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: are you happy in your personal life professionally? Do you 433 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: feel like you have succeeded with your professional goals. And 434 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: I can say yes to both of those questions. But 435 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: I also feel like there's so much more work that 436 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: to do on behalf of my country and where I've 437 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: poured my passion over the course of my career. There's 438 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 2: so much more to do. I mean, if you had 439 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: asked me a couple of years ago, would you go 440 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 2: into the federal government, I would be like, oh, hell no, 441 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: I'd rather eat might have been then moved to the 442 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: spot and you know, work in the federal government. And 443 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: then along King Donald Trump, and I said, I absolutely 444 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 2: want to serve my country in an administration with the 445 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: president that I really believe in. So if he is 446 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: re elected, or I should say when he is re elected, 447 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: I will absolutely go back and serve out his administration. 448 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: His policy agenda has served my country, bring this country back. Absolutely, 449 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 2: not even a moment hesitation on that. So I think 450 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: life takes you in different actions and there's so much 451 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: more I think to achieve. But as of now, yeah, 452 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: I'm pretty content. I mean, Carol, I'd have been so 453 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: blessed in that I have worked for two American presidents 454 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: now Richard Wixon in the last years of his life 455 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 2: and President Trump at the tertiary Department. That's pretty extraordinary. 456 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: Not many Pinons served two American presidents. 457 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean incredible. And I think that you 458 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 3: should be very proud of yourself and you should feel 459 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: like you've made it, because that seems, you know, like 460 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 3: making it. 461 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, very blessed. 462 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 3: One of the other questions that I ask all of 463 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 3: my guests, and we've touched on some of the issues already, 464 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 3: but what would you say is our largest cultural or 465 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: societal problem, not specifically political necessarily and is it solvable? 466 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, I've been thinking about this. I have 467 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: been studying and talking about communism throughout my entire career, 468 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: and I've been studying it both as a political force 469 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: and as a philosophical and ideological force. What has occurred 470 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 2: to me over the years is that what the United 471 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: States has been subjected to now for almost a century 472 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: is a neo Marxist revolution, and that neo Marxist revolution 473 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: has its tentacles in every area of American city in life. 474 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: So this is not just strictly political. Although there are 475 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 2: a lot of neo Marxists in our government, some will 476 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: telling you straight up, like AOC or Bernie Sanders. They'll 477 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 2: say a man, I'm a Democratic Socialist, which is a 478 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: euphemism for Marxism. Others are more stealthy about it. So 479 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: there's political Marxism and we see it every day. There's 480 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: also economic Marxism, and there's also social and cultural Marxism 481 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 2: cultural revolution. And you've written about this extensively. You're on 482 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 2: my show talking about this. You and I, we just 483 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 2: we want like a wall on fire. Is because you 484 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 2: really get it to me. It is that the fact 485 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: now that this Marxist revolution has been going on in 486 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: this country undermining all of the major pillars of American 487 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 2: society and life for almost one hundred years. It really 488 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: began as a KGV operation in the nineteen thirties, and 489 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: then it took on a life of its own with 490 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 2: plenty of useful idiots here in the United States infiltrating 491 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: all of our institutions, what the Marxists called the long 492 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 2: March through our institutions that so weakened them and corroded 493 00:27:54,880 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 2: American society and life that things that we once thought 494 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 2: we're unthinkable are now. Like everybody just shrugs, for example, 495 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: drag Queen's story. Hour for kindergarteners is Marxist cultural revolutionary behavior. 496 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: In order to indoctrinate the child, create a standing army 497 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: of children who have been indoctrinated, smash the nuclear family. 498 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: This is all Marxism, this is all communism. So when 499 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,959 Speaker 2: you ask me about like a cultural or social issue, 500 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: it is so widespread. It all gets down to the 501 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 2: fact that we've allowed this Marxism to rampage through this 502 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: country for decades to the point now where we are 503 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: at the tipping point in America. And what worries to 504 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: me so much is that there are so many people 505 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: in this country who don't know history, who don't know 506 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: American history, or don't care about American history and don't 507 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: cherish it being acause they have been subjected to this indoctrination. 508 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: And so if you don't know what makes America exceptional, 509 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 2: you're not willing to stand up and fight for American 510 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: exceptualism and fight for this country like you and I 511 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: do every single day with the platforms that we have, 512 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 2: right and when I look at subsequent generations who don't 513 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 2: have that education, who don't have those political values that 514 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: we talked about about cherishing basic freedoms that we see 515 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: in the Bill of Rights, and who are now actively 516 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 2: at war with those freedoms in the Bill of Rights 517 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: and the Constitution to tear this country down. That to 518 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 2: me is the biggest problem that we have. And this 519 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: is stuff that keeps me up at night. 520 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 3: And do you think anything could be done to solve this? 521 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 3: Is this like just the end of the road for us? 522 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: Well, I awn an optimism. I'm a natural optimist. I'm 523 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: a happy warriors So there's always hope, that's true, But 524 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: the hour is very late. The country. He's hanging by 525 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: a threat. People who are just now waking up. I'm 526 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: glad that they're waking up, but they seem to be 527 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 2: under the assumption that somehow this started under Joe Biden 528 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: with his catastrophic presidency, or maybe even Barack Obama, and 529 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: they're tracing it back to that. This goes so far 530 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 2: back and has been going on so long, which is 531 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 2: why we're so close to the precipice here. People need 532 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: to really understand that. So in order to turn this around, 533 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 2: it's going to take real leadership, political, social, cultural faith 534 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: based of people really waking up to the threat, and 535 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: it might take. I mean, we are scraping the bottom 536 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: of the barrel here, and sometimes you know, God allows 537 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: you as individuals or countries to really hit bottom. So 538 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: more and more people wake up and say, hey, wait, 539 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 2: you know we're losing our country. I think that's happening now. 540 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: I don't think it's too late to turn this around, 541 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: but it is going to require very core reaches leadership 542 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: because the Left now controls everything, every lever of power, 543 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 2: and they've been out of for so long that we 544 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: are going to have to be very brave. We're going 545 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: to have to all be leaders in our own communities 546 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: on this whatever platform we might have. And we also 547 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: have to understand it's going to take a very long 548 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: time to turn it around, because again, this didn't materialize night, 549 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 2: so the solution is not going to materialize overnight either. 550 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: Wow. Well everything is bad, but hopefully it can turn around. 551 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 3: I love talking to you, and here Monica with your 552 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 3: best tip for my listeners on how they can improve 553 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: their individual lives, you know, especially in the faith of 554 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: how terrible things are all over the place. 555 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know things look grim, but my natural optimism 556 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 2: is going to kick in here. I think a couple 557 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: of tips of advice to improve your own personal life, 558 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 2: and you know, the life of your family, the life 559 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: of your community, the life of your country. My first 560 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: word of advice is, first of all, I'm going to 561 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: pass along the best piece of advice I ever got, 562 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: which came from President Nixon, because I was all said 563 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: to go to law school. I was just going to 564 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: work for him for one year, and I put off 565 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: a villain of a law to work for him for 566 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: the year, and then I was going to matriculate into 567 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: law school. And a couple of months in President Nixon 568 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: said to me, call me in, Carol, and he took 569 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: Michael his glasses off, and he said, Monica, have a seat. 570 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 2: We have something very important to talk about. And I said, yes, 571 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: mister President, what is it? And he said, well, you're 572 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: not going to law school. Hi's there, And okay, I'm 573 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: I'm all fgo with if your plan at all times, Carol. 574 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: So I was like, I'm sorry, what And he said, Monica, 575 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 2: it's clear to me that you have no passion for 576 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: the law and you're going just to law school just 577 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 2: to go and have an advance degree. He said, if 578 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 2: you feel like you need an advanced degree, you need 579 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 2: to go and follow your passion. So go to graduate 580 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 2: school and study security and American foreign policy instead. Don't 581 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: worry about the career path, don't worry about the money 582 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: with a career. All of that will come when you 583 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 2: follow your passion. And so he was exactly right. I 584 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 2: stopped the Villanova law school process, and I'm later it 585 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: at Columbia in a PhD terminal program, got two master's 586 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: degrees at a PhD, and now security foreign policy could 587 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: not be happier. And the whole career. He was exactly right. 588 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: It all fell into place. So I am sharing his 589 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: wisdom with me, with you and your listener. Go to 590 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: law school, he goes, Monica, I'm a lawyer. The country 591 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: has enough lawyers. We don't need another one, and who 592 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: has no passion for the law. So go and do 593 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 2: what your passionates, and everything else will fall in place. 594 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 2: The other final point that I just want to impart 595 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 2: here to everybody listening is because this is a spiritual 596 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 2: battle at base. This is God versus the enemy, good 597 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 2: versus evil. However you want to cast it. Once you 598 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: see it in those terms, you can unsee it. So 599 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 2: I would just recommend I don't know what everybody's faith 600 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,439 Speaker 2: based system is, or maybe you don't believe in God. 601 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: That's your business, but I would recommend getting your spiritual 602 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 2: house in order. That's you're in some dark times. I 603 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 2: fear it might get worse before it gets better, and 604 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 2: I would just recommend to everybody to kind of get 605 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 2: your spiritual house in order for yourself and your family. 606 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: Can't go wrong. 607 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's exactly it can't go wrong. 608 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on, Monica. I love 609 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 3: talking to you. She's Monica Crowley. Please check out her podcast. 610 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 3: She is terrific. 611 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: But thank you so much, Carol, my pleasure, God bless 612 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Mark Show. 613 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.