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Speaker 1: Now here we go on a Monday. Don't tell me

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Speaker 1: it was boring. It's the greatest football game I've ever seen,

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Speaker 1: to the very last snap. I don't know about the

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Speaker 1: rest of you, but I had a dream last night

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold make a speech in Canton, Ohio. It was

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Speaker 1: so lifelike, so much more lifelike than it was twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours earlier. Welcome in. We're in Los Angeles. It's

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Speaker 1: The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be

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Speaker 1: listen listening. Thank you for making us part of your day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling good.

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Speaker 3: Today. It's a good one for me. I get one occasionally.

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Speaker 1: The scary part about Seattle is sixth most cap space

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Speaker 1: in the league. Next year, their coach is thirty eight,

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Speaker 1: moving into his coaching prime. Sam Donald two more years

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Speaker 1: of a team friendly deal, and they may have seven

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Speaker 1: or eight players who were ascending, young guys only getting better.

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Speaker 1: And go ahead say it wasn't about Sam Darnald. Go

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Speaker 1: ahead and say that. But it was in the postseason

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Speaker 1: against the superior NFC and eventually Vrabel's defense no turnovers

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Speaker 1: for Sam smart enough, mature enough, and coachable enough enough

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Speaker 1: to know what was needed. And against New England he

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Speaker 1: knew what was needed, a couple of big throws, make

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Speaker 1: the right decision. Since nineteen ninety four, quarterbacks have won

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl with no turnovers.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you've heard of him.

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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Drew Brees, and Sam Donald. They

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Speaker 1: all had great coaches, and they all had stacked rosters.

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Speaker 1: They knew what the assignment was. That's all this playoff

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Speaker 1: run was about. For Sam Darnald against the Rams, he

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Speaker 1: needed to be a game changer. Donald had to make

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Speaker 1: big throws because Matt Stafford three different times eight the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks secondary eight and Donald needed big throws. He was

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Speaker 1: a game changer when the game called for it. But

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Speaker 1: with Kenneth Walker running finding space regularly, Sam only had

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Speaker 1: to make a couple of big ones. Here's one of

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Speaker 1: them on the screen. He had to be manager. He

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Speaker 1: had to be understanding of what was needed. I'll give

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Speaker 1: you an example, Tom Brady's first Super Bowl win and

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's last Super Bowl win. I'm not sure if

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Speaker 1: you know this. He threw for fore yards than Darnold

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Speaker 1: did last night. That's what makes Tom great. All quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to repeat this slowly. All quarterbacks are game managers.

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Speaker 1: But it's part of the maturity that Sam lacked when

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Speaker 1: New York. He developed it. He's a good listener, gratitude

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Speaker 1: and humility. Great parenting probably adds a lot. Twenty two

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Speaker 1: year old Sam screws that game up last night because

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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots were jumping routes. Mike rabel knew,

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Speaker 1: looking at the film he had the second best roster,

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Speaker 1: and Mike vrabel knew the way to beat Seattle was

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Speaker 1: Darnold up hear he didn't. In fact, he didn't in

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Speaker 1: the entire playoff run. I'll like to repeat against the

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Speaker 1: superior NFC in New England, Seattle. The Seahawks are the

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Speaker 1: say it's not Sam, but no turnovers playing the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Seven fumbles? Donald didn't have a turnover IQ maturity listening

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Speaker 1: He had to be a game changer against the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, a great young coach, the defensive version of

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Speaker 4: Sam doesn't care about the obstacle. Like everyone's made a

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Speaker 4: narrative of this guy of like everyone is. They have

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Speaker 4: tried to put a store and a label on who

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Speaker 4: he is as a person who is a quarterback. He

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Speaker 4: does not care. Always done, since he's walked in the door,

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Speaker 4: has has been a tremendous player on our football team

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Speaker 4: and a tremendous leader who is the same guy every day.

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Speaker 4: And that's who he is, and that's how we need

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Speaker 3: Move forward, Let's talk Drake May in New England.

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Speaker 1: I preached last week Stafford should be the MVP over

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Speaker 1: Drake May, and I said the reason is every time

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Speaker 1: Stafford walks to the line, every time Matt Stafford walks

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Speaker 1: to the line, he understands the why. Drake May's still

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out, as I said last week, the

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Speaker 1: what what am I seeing?

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Speaker 3: What is this?

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Speaker 1: He didn't have the answers against Seattle. Stafford against Seattle

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Speaker 1: tore him apart three times.

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Speaker 3: Drake May overwhelmed.

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Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth appropriately said at halftime, May is not ready

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Speaker 1: for this moment. Mike Vrabel at halftime seem resigned to

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Speaker 1: stop vomiting statistics and spewing analytics. Quarterback is about the

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Speaker 1: why can you walk to the line like a Brady

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Speaker 1: and a Manning and a Mahomes and a Stafford and

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Speaker 1: watching Stafford against this Seahawks defense, and he looks like

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Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton. Drake May yesterday looked like a student driver.

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Speaker 1: He was completely overwhelmed. And New England's good, They're gonna

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Speaker 1: get better. It was almost understandable. But Stafford and Mayor

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Speaker 1: just different quarterbacks and different human beings. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: If bo Nix was healthy, New England's probably not here.

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Speaker 1: So yes, Seattle had more talent. We did our top

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Speaker 1: ten rankings of the players last week. The top four

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Speaker 1: players were all Seattle, including Darnold. But this was more

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Speaker 1: than just well. I mean, Stafford's got Pook Kua. New

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Speaker 1: England's tight ends and receivers are way above average. And yes,

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Speaker 1: Will Campbell is not ready for this moment. He's probably

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Speaker 1: And the future is great for May. The coaching around

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Speaker 1: Drake May eight eight drives, eight punts, seven completions. That's

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Speaker 1: not about Puka Nikua. That's about not being able to

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Speaker 1: see the why and struggling with the what this postseason.

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Speaker 3: And he faced good defenses.

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Speaker 1: Drake May completed fifty eight percent of his throws, was

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Speaker 1: sacked twenty one times, passer rating of eighty two. Matt

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Speaker 1: very good defense. It is a defense you can have

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Speaker 1: success against. But yesterday, not this kid, not in this moment.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drake May.

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Speaker 3: After.

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Speaker 5: It's hurt, no, no doubt, No, it definitely hurts. It's

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Speaker 5: been a long ride. Uh, they played better enough tonight.

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Speaker 5: They deserved it with that game, and you know speaking,

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Speaker 5: you know, for the whole team, and uh, you know

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Speaker 5: myself just where a journey has been for us. I

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Speaker 5: love this team, I love those guys in the locker room, and.

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Speaker 2: We'll leave it all on the field.

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Speaker 5: And I know a lot of guys do that tonight

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Speaker 5: and just came up short and didn't play our best.

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Speaker 3: And that's what happens. Listen.

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Speaker 1: Drake may reportedly had a shot before the game, so

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Speaker 1: he was not one hundred percent. And again Will Campbell

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Speaker 1: left tackle. He got overwhelmed and we all knew you

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Speaker 1: knew it. I mean, there's a reason overwhelmingly the bets

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Speaker 1: were all on Seattle side. Tip of the cap to Jmac,

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Speaker 1: who had said during the week multiple times he didn't know.

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Speaker 3: If New England could score.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at the box score, crinkle it

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Speaker 1: New England. They were not competitive at one point. It's

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Speaker 1: what nineteen nothing that nineteen seven. Drake made some garbage

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Speaker 1: time stats, but a lot of these sacks and a

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Speaker 1: lot of these fumbles. That's what happens when you're young.

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Speaker 1: You don't know where they're coming from, you're not prepared

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Speaker 6: So it was.

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Speaker 1: Beyond that he was rattled, he was nervous. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent. New England's going to be fine. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's in their division. Jets are still a circus.

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Speaker 1: My guess is there going to be a wild card

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Speaker 1: or a division winning team for the next ten years?

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Speaker 1: They're going to be back here, didn't we say?

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Speaker 3: All week long?

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Speaker 1: We kept saying, didn't it feel weird that New England

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Speaker 1: still feels like they're a draft away? Well in the AFC,

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Speaker 1: Mahomes didn't make it, Burrow didn't make it. We didn't

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Speaker 1: really know right Like, You're like, they feel like they're

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Speaker 1: a draft away. When you saw him again Seattle, it

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Speaker 1: was official draft away. So j Mack, congratulations. You had

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Speaker 6: And I had Kenneth Walker MVP on Friday. Remember Kenneth'

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Speaker 6: walk down already did a good game.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, headlines was very good. I don't know you've seem

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Speaker 7: bullish on the Patriots being fine. I just this postseason

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Speaker 7: Drake may had was so bad. I just wonder if

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Speaker 7: they got bigger issues. I mean, remember, Burrow's gonna come back,

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Speaker 7: Mahomes is gonna come back, Lamars Chargers are gonna be

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Speaker 7: really good. Lamar's gonna come back. The Jaguar's probably not

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Speaker 7: going anywhere. AFC's loaded. I saw some troubling signs from

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Speaker 7: Drake Bay throughout all this postseason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how many fummos? Did he have?

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Speaker 7: Seven interceptions galore? Fifty eight percent completions?

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Speaker 3: That's fair. I can't and buy for the record.

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Speaker 1: We know he's getting great coaching because when you play a.

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Speaker 7: Terrible schedule, it's tough to judge. You know, they're playing

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Speaker 7: six rookie quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: They go six and oh yeah, New England faced eleven

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Speaker 7: So when you played real teams in the playoffs, Drake,

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Speaker 7: they look like a mediocre corequarterback, the college.

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Speaker 1: You know, my big takeaway yesterday is the NFC West Seattle,

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Speaker 3: You know, the game.

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Speaker 10: There's not much secret and beaning in a talented, very

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Speaker 10: Means they're capable of winning totally on their own if

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Speaker 3: They're gonna give up no explosives.

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Speaker 1: That's really shut Kyle Shanahan's offense down in all the

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Speaker 10: He's got a really good team, and when you have

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Speaker 3: When you have a really good team.

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Speaker 1: Aikman, Breeze, Steve Young, Sam Darnald winning a Super Bowl

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Speaker 7: All right, you talk dominant Colin. Kenneth Walker was dominant

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Speaker 6: Five yards on the ground.

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Speaker 3: How would you like to be a cornerback trying to

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Speaker 6: Dude, he's so thick and strongly. That guy is tough.

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Speaker 7: Monster game first running back in the UH Super Bowl

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Speaker 7: I saw stat Collin last six hundred and fifty ish

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Speaker 1: Well, he's not a blocker, no, and he's a very

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Speaker 6: I'm twenty five ish. I want to.

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Speaker 7: Good could that happen?

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Speaker 1: So? I remember years ago Larry Brown played, I think

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Speaker 1: You see this all the time where NBA teams overdraft

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Speaker 1: I think Walker's a really good player. He's been dinged

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Speaker 1: not not a guy I want blocking for Darnold. And

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Speaker 1: I think Seattle does need to address the offensive line

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Speaker 6: Are well you need to now.

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Speaker 7: And they had servon An and Walker all season, which

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Speaker 3: They have Halani Halania is more of a three.

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Speaker 6: I would if I'm out there and I'm a you know,

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Speaker 7: I'm at least throwing some kind of offer sheet Walker's way,

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Speaker 1: If I had a young quarterback, and I because I

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Speaker 7: And we'll see what the draft is like for running backs.

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Speaker 7: Maybe Seattle says, hey, we're not paying him twelve million dollars.

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Speaker 7: Seattle also has three guys in the secondary who are

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Speaker 7: But congrats to Kenneth Walker, who had the game of

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Speaker 7: on to George Pickens. We talked about this Friday. He's

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Speaker 7: sounds like a franchise tag is coming. According to multiple reporters,

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Speaker 12: I'm talking to George all the time by virtue of

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Speaker 1: Ask yourself this when you watch New England, because we

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Speaker 1: England's defense is good. Don't have the depth up front

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Speaker 1: Is unbelievable when you watch New England's defense and Seattle's defense,

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Speaker 1: how many Cowboys outside of Quinn Williams could play forget

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Speaker 3: In the first half, I mean New England's defense.

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Speaker 3: You just wore down that New England.

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Speaker 1: If if New England would have had one twelve play

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I need to ask you about Pickens. Like, let's

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Speaker 7: What's the market like for this guy? Just remember how

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Speaker 6: It ended in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 7: Are you wanting to get in bed with a guy

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Speaker 1: I think Dallas gave away like a third round pick

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Speaker 1: be a cowboy for a while. Okay, And I do

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Speaker 7: Wait a minute, we just see two super Bowl teams

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Speaker 6: So I don't I almost.

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Speaker 7: Wonder are we seeing a new new changing of the

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean the highest paid wide receivers. We're

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Speaker 1: the playoff wins.

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Speaker 6: There you go.

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Speaker 1: We just watched two great defensive lines. We just watched

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that and JFN and Stefan Diggs didn't do anything.

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Speaker 1: So how valuable in the playoffs is the star receiver.

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Speaker 3: It's about line play and.

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Speaker 6: That Pickens tag.

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Speaker 7: They're estimating it to be twenty eight point eight million,

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Speaker 7: which would slot him about eleventh with T. Higgins, and

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Speaker 7: I don't think Pickens is gonna be happy with that,

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Speaker 7: given that he performed like at a top five level

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Speaker 7: for much of the season. All right, final story, Let's

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Speaker 7: go to the Eagles because A. J. Brown went on

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Speaker 7: the Micah Parsons podcast and was talking about, uh, the

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Speaker 7: change from Eagles, oh see Kevin Patula to the new guy,

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Speaker 7: Sean Mannion.

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Speaker 6: Here's a J. Brown on change in Philly.

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Speaker 13: I'm always excited. Uh, you know, sometimes change is not

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Speaker 13: a bad thing. I have the utmost respect for kp

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Speaker 13: to me, did tremendous job and he has a great heart.

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Speaker 13: But I'm excited for the season. I'm excited for West

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Speaker 13: to kom.

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Speaker 6: He has a great heart. By offensive cordator, he's got

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Speaker 6: a great heart. What does that tell him?

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Speaker 7: You got that's not a resounding vote of confidence in

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Speaker 7: the guy that they got fired.

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Speaker 1: Listen, some jobs look like they're great jobs. They always

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Speaker 1: joke that being an NBA head coach is the worst

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Speaker 1: great job in sports. You have no real power, You know,

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Speaker 1: if the player turns on you, you're done. But you

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Speaker 1: do make a bunch of money and you are in sports.

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Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia coordinator can be difficult because there's a

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Speaker 1: ton of pressure and you get about it.

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Speaker 3: You get till Thanksgiving to prove your worst.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this will be an interesting one, this Aj Brown saga.

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Speaker 7: We just saw Super Bowl week, right, So the receiver

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Speaker 7: on Seattle Bobo broke his hand in the NFC Championship game.

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Speaker 6: We heard nothing about that until the.

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Speaker 7: Day of the Super Bowl, and then we had Drake

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Speaker 7: May getting shot up. I'm just saying the reporters are good, obviously, Colin.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of stuff we don't know, and I

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Speaker 7: would suspect that AJ Brown's name is going to be

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Speaker 7: on the trading block all summer, and I think he's

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Speaker 7: probably gonna get shipped.

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Speaker 6: I don't see him lasting until I.

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Speaker 3: Thought they should have got rid of him two years ago.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what the market's like. Hey, good player,

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Speaker 7: but listen, do you want that in your locker room?

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Speaker 7: He's going after the quarterback after season?

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Speaker 3: Not great.

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Speaker 2: J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 2: thanks for stopping by the.

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Speaker 1: Herd line just a reminder, and I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be too obnoxious today, But in the twenty eighteen draft,

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Speaker 1: when Donald and Baker came out, I said, I preferred

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Speaker 1: Donald over Baker. He was bigger, he's more athletic, and

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Speaker 1: I liked his maturity. Sam's Donald Sam Donald's personality, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, is about belief in himself. Baker Mayfield's personality

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Speaker 1: and he wears it on his sleeve, is driven by

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Speaker 1: perceived slights, and that is powerful, playing angry, playing piss,

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Speaker 1: chipping the shoulder. That's baker perceived slights. Donald His personality

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Speaker 1: is belief in himself. It's grounded in that Baker's the opposite.

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Speaker 1: Baker is still taking shots at Stefanski a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, Sam Donald's beyond that. Baker needs to prove

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Speaker 1: people wrong, whereas Donald only needs to prove himself right.

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Speaker 3: And that's the difference.

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Speaker 1: After winning the Super Bowl last night, Donald could have

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Speaker 1: taken shots at the Jets for almost screwing up his career,

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Speaker 1: or Carolina for being chaotic, or the Vikings letting him go,

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Speaker 1: or the Niners not letting him go into a camp

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Speaker 1: and compete with brock Perty. He could have taken a

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Speaker 1: shot at Cleveland for choosing Baker over him, and Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnald instead goes on stage and says this.

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Speaker 11: I told my dad I was, you know, and my mom,

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Speaker 11: but you know, just was I was. I'm here because

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Speaker 11: of their belief in me. Some people called me, called

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Speaker 11: me crazy throughout my career for believing in myself so

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Speaker 11: much and having so much confidence, But you know, it

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Speaker 11: was because of my parents, because of the way that

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Speaker 11: they believed in me throughout my entire career, and it

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Speaker 11: allowed me to go out there and play free and

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Speaker 11: have a ton of confidence.

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Speaker 1: Humble in victory, gracious in defeat. This was precisely why

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Speaker 1: I like Donald over Baker. Baker is trying to prove

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Speaker 1: people wrong, perceive slights, and that does work and it

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Speaker 1: is powerful. But in the end, it's about proving yourself

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Speaker 1: right and believing in yourself. There is a joy and

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Speaker 1: a humility to the way Sam Darnold plays. I still

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Speaker 1: like Baker. I think it's highly entertaining. All the chips

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Speaker 1: on the shoulders. Baker has balance in his life. He

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Speaker 1: has a chip on bow shoulders, and that is the

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Speaker 1: kind of jet fuel that has driven many great athletes

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Speaker 1: there is nothing wrong with it. Darnald just different, and

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Speaker 1: that's why I liked him. It wasn't just that he

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Speaker 1: was bigger, just that he was a better athlete. In college,

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Speaker 1: Darnald was not well coached, often had to play hero

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Speaker 1: ball and carry the team, and even in losses, and

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Speaker 1: he had a few humble in victory, gracious in defeat.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 7: Saturday, the ACC and Big Ten collide in prime time

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Speaker 7: for the inaugural Nashville Hoops Showdown as number eighteen Virginia

536
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Speaker 7: takes on Bruce Thornton and Ohio State. It all begins Saturday,

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Speaker 7: eight eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Clint Kobiak and everybody in the world knew it.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be named the head coach of the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: You know, probably in an hour. He was Seattle's offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: Do I worry? I mean, C J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud, Jalen Hurts had been quarterbacks that feel a little

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Speaker 1: dependent on who's their offensive coordinator?

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Speaker 3: Do I worry about that?

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Speaker 1: With sam Donold losing his no for three reasons, smart

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Speaker 1: people in life, on average make better choices than less

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Speaker 1: smart people. Number one Mike McDonald the head coach, thirty

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Speaker 1: eight years old. He's the McVeigh of defense. Last year

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Speaker 1: they won ten games and he fired his OC, so

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Speaker 1: that tells me the head coach has incredibly high standards.

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Speaker 1: Standards are what killed Pete Carroll's career in Seattle and

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. He had people on the staff that weren't

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Speaker 1: good enough to be on the staff. Mike McDonald fired

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Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator when they were winning ten games, so

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Speaker 1: he's got really high stand good is not good enough.

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Speaker 1: Number two John Snyder's the GM. Snyder doesn't miss on anything.

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Speaker 1: He hires the right coaches, drafting, trades, free agency. So

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Speaker 1: the two smart guys at the top, really high standards

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Speaker 1: and a hit rate that's very high. Number three is

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. Is only twenty eight years old, and because

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Speaker 1: of his futility in New York and his struggles, he's

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Speaker 1: very grateful. I think he'll always take reasonably team friendly deals.

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Speaker 1: When you've been crapped on in life, when you had

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Speaker 1: a tough start in your life, you are so grateful

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Speaker 1: to be surrounded by excellent people. Sam's not about the money.

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Speaker 1: Sam is about staying on the field and surrounded by

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Speaker 1: really good people, and that matters a lot of these

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Speaker 1: You know Donald, now you could say, well, he's got

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Speaker 1: the he's got the leg, he's got Donald got had

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Speaker 1: such a bad first four years. I think he is

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Speaker 1: so grateful to be surrounded by maybe the best defensive

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Speaker 1: coaching football, top five coach, and the best GM arguably.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think he's gonna go and bang on

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Speaker 1: the brinks truck. And so for those three reasons, GM

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Speaker 1: and a coach that don't settle in a quarterback that

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Speaker 1: is not just gonna look for money. I think that guarantees.

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Speaker 1: I think Seattle is going to be excellent. They have

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Speaker 1: cap space and if you it's really amazing that people

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Speaker 1: kept saying Geno.

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Speaker 3: Smith is good.

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Speaker 1: Gino Smith never graduated to the next level of football.

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Speaker 1: Jay McK and I were talking about this during the break,

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Speaker 1: and the next level of football is often not losing games.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson always talks about this. You lose way more

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Speaker 1: games than you win. Troy Aikman new, I got a really.

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Speaker 3: Good football team.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna hit Michael Irvin twice on big plays.

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Speaker 1: Alvin Harper wants that's that's what I need to do.

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Speaker 1: So Donald's not a guy. He's not a money guy.

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Speaker 1: I've met his family, ocean side kid, That's not what

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Speaker 1: drives him. He doesn't need validation off another you know,

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Speaker 1: material item.

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Speaker 3: That's not who he is.

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Speaker 1: Here's Donald on his role going forward with this Seattle offense.

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Speaker 11: I've taken the day by day, you know, throughout my

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Speaker 11: entire career, and it's gotten me to this point. My

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Speaker 11: job is to take care of the football and I

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Speaker 11: knew that coming into the game. And you know I

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Speaker 11: did that, and you know, I took the open guy

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Speaker 11: when they were there, and you know, if I had

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Speaker 11: to take sacks, if I had to throw the ball away,

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Speaker 11: I was able to do it. But I just played

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Speaker 11: that kind of game and I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 11: we ended up coming on being on top because of it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, he's from San Clementy, not ocean side,

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Speaker 1: my bad. It's kind of south on the coast in California.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is one of the things Mike vrabelsells

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Speaker 1: a New England it's this team isn't about one guy,

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Speaker 1: It's a unit. He's the guy at the end of

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Speaker 1: the games in the tunnel, thanking everybody, and it's easy

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Speaker 1: to beat up on Drake May, who I just don't

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Speaker 1: think wasn't healthy, wasn't there. I didn't like, and I

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Speaker 1: think Josh McDaniels is good. I didn't understand not attacking

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Speaker 1: Hunter Henry. If you look at the Rams success against Seattle,

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Speaker 1: the Rams have excellent tight ends and they use them

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Speaker 1: against the Seahawks very effectively. I thought the game plan

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Speaker 1: was going to center around three step drops, a lot

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Speaker 1: of tight ends, some bubble screens, short passing game. Do

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Speaker 1: not get Drake May five step drops, Will Campbell left tackle,

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Speaker 1: who has overwhelmed the entire AFC playoffs. I did not

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Speaker 1: love the game plan. Listen, in the first quarter, neither

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Speaker 1: quarterback could do much. I mean they It wasn't until

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Speaker 1: the second quarter where you felt like Seattle was starting

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Speaker 1: to put a few things together. So I did not

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Speaker 1: love New England's offensive game plan. And again, when you

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Speaker 1: can't block on the left tackle spot, it blows up

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. But here is Mike Vrabel on

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Speaker 1: the l May.

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Speaker 8: We can sit here and try to put it on

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Speaker 8: one guy. You'll be disappointed because that'll never happen. You know,

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Speaker 8: it starts with us as coaching staff and making sure

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Speaker 8: that you know, we're doing our part. And then obviously

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Speaker 8: we have to be able to execute. We got to

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Speaker 8: be able to protect. When we do protect, you know,

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Speaker 8: we have to be able to progress through and throw

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Speaker 8: the ball the guy's open and you know, and help

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Speaker 8: the quarterback and then he's got to be better. Like

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Speaker 8: that's just how it goes. So you know that's never

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Speaker 8: going to change.

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Speaker 3: Should be noted.

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Speaker 1: Uh, John Elway got crushed in Super Bowls and then

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Speaker 1: he got better help and then John Elway was winning

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Speaker 1: super Bowls. We went through a stretch and I don't

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Speaker 1: remember the exact years where Super Bowls were awful. They

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Speaker 1: were worse than yesterday, Like super Bowls were blowouts for years,

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Speaker 1: and then we've gotten into a space until yesterday where

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Speaker 1: we've had some really good ones. Now the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years have been ugly, but it goes back and forth.

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Speaker 1: On this last year, Kansas City was beat up. In

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Speaker 1: this year, we kept saying about New England and I

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Speaker 1: thought it would be low scoring in close. I didn't

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Speaker 1: think either team was going to get into the high twenties.

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Speaker 1: I thought it had a chance to be seventeen. You know,

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Speaker 1: sixteen twenty four to twenty was Mike cal Seattle. But

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Speaker 1: I think all of us sort of acknowledged it, even

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Speaker 1: New England fans, if they're honest, This team still felt

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Speaker 1: like a draft away. I said it all year. They

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Speaker 1: were my double the win total team in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Before the season, I picked one team that doubles their

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Speaker 1: win total.

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Speaker 3: It was New England.

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Speaker 1: I thought they'd be in the nine to ten win

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Speaker 1: spot and think they were getting to the super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: And so I thought it was pretty obvious by middle

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Speaker 1: of the second quarter. You start listening to the commentary.

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Speaker 1: You can tell if you listen to the announcers. Mike

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Speaker 1: Vrable at half, Kyle Shanahan before the game, Colin Worth

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Speaker 1: during the game. You know these guys are sitting in

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Speaker 1: a stadium or on the sidelines. Vrayble at halftime. It

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Speaker 1: was almost discouraged, like he knew there was a reality

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Speaker 1: setting in the Other thing that's interesting about yesterday, let me.

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Speaker 3: Ask you a question. Do you believe.

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Speaker 1: Thirty starts for a quarterback? Thirty that you can make

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Speaker 1: a fairly definitive judgment on a quarterback after thirty starts.

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Speaker 3: That's two years.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you want and say yes that thirty starts,

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Speaker 1: you can you can have a strong opinion. Sam Donold's

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Speaker 1: twenty five and five with two teams, passer rating ninety

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Speaker 1: eight and a half, two hundred and fifty yards a

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Speaker 1: game and two touchdowns throwing for every interception. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, if you take the Rams out, just the Rams,

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Speaker 1: those numbers are spectacular. Those are a minus plus. If

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Speaker 1: you just take the Rams out and again, Seattle and

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Speaker 1: the Rams just hammered AFC teams this year. It so,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think you start looking at the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. You guys have all for the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years have been trying to tell me. Brock Purty

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Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts are top ten quarterbacks. So is Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold now at top ten quarterback. He's bigger than both,

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Speaker 1: He's got a bigger arm than both. I would say

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Speaker 1: he's as athletic as Jalen Hurts, much better in the pocket,

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Speaker 1: bigger athlete, throws over the middle of the field better.

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Speaker 1: So all you wanted Jalen Hurts and Brock perty in

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Speaker 1: the top ten. C J Stroud has regressed. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I love Justin Herbert. He never had a playoff run

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Speaker 1: like this. So what do you do with Donald? Well,

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Speaker 1: the general manageer, Okay, we're gonna have excuses. I mean,

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Speaker 1: at some point you take the snap and you make

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Speaker 1: stuff happen pre snap post snap. So my take is,

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Speaker 1: what do you do with Sam Donald?

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Speaker 12: Now?

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's four or five guys, Burrow, Mahomes, Allen,

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Speaker 1: there's a handful, I mean, and then you start getting

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Speaker 1: into this next group of Caleb Williams, Jordan love Donald.

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Speaker 1: Ask yourself this right now. Look in the NFC, forget

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Speaker 1: the AFC, go to the NFC. Stafford and Golf are

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Speaker 1: not mobile.

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Speaker 3: That matters.

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Speaker 1: What quarterback in the NFC tomorrow? If you're building a franchise,

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Speaker 1: Donald's only twenty eight tomorrow. In the NFC, what quarterback

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Speaker 1: do you take over, Sam Donald? Nobody's taking Brock party. Injuries,

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Speaker 1: Smaller gets no not a GM in the league's taking

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Speaker 1: Brock party, not a single GM. Shanahan will tell you

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Speaker 1: public Brock gets banged up, brockets smaller. Brock's not this athletic,

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Speaker 1: Brock's not this big. I mean Brock a playoff run

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Speaker 1: with no turnovers, hoisting a trophy. Nobody's taken Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: over Sam Darnold, Nobody. Donald is loved in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: I have a source that tells me, and this is

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Speaker 1: now like public. Jalen Hurts is not. He doesn't galvanize

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Speaker 1: a locker room. So I ask yourself in the NFC.

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Speaker 3: Who would you take I'm not talking.

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Speaker 1: Burrow Mahomes and I'm not talking that site. As Jmax said,

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Speaker 1: the AFC at the top quarterbacks unbelievable. It's like seven

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Speaker 1: of the top eight quarterbacks, but Stafford's old golf doesn't move.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Loves, inconsistent, Jalen, Hurt, and Purty. Not a GM

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Speaker 1: in the league has taken them over Donald. So who's

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Speaker 1: the guy?

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Speaker 7: Well, we know gms with on quarterbacks a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: so I don't know that i'd agree with that part,

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Speaker 7: but I'm sorry I can't rock with you on this. Yes,

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Speaker 7: I agree. Donald's had a great run twenty five and

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Speaker 7: five last NFC. He is twenty eight older than Jayden Daniels,

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Speaker 7: who I know got hurt last year.

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Speaker 3: Jade Daniels can't stay hell, I agree.

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Speaker 7: But if we did this a year ago, he had

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Speaker 7: just been in the NFC Championship and people were crowding in,

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Speaker 7: like top seven quarterback in the league, so he did

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Speaker 7: get in.

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Speaker 6: I said Cale about it, awesome time.

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Speaker 1: I think Caleb Williams is Jordan Love for sure, very inconsistent.

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Speaker 7: I would personally go hurt some purty. I know you

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Speaker 7: disagree in a several GMS.

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Speaker 3: Probably every GM disagree.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting. We'll see what he does without Kubiak next year.

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Speaker 3: We'll see how to do it without Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 1: He did good with Justin Jefferson, Kevin O'Connell. Seattle's got

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Speaker 1: a defensive coach.

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Speaker 12: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just watched yesterday's game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Jason did nothing and they were fine. Yeah, well

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Speaker 6: we'll see.

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Speaker 7: Uh oh boy, he's just so excited. You could hear

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Speaker 7: the cackle in his books.

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Speaker 1: Dude, I whatever you guys dream about. It was just

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Speaker 1: Darnald at a podium wearing a gold jacket. He was

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Speaker 1: in Canton, Ohio. It was very emotional. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what he was talking about, but it was very clear

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Speaker 3: Too