1 00:00:04,428 --> 00:00:06,628 Speaker 1: Good Morning Football is the production of the NFL in 2 00:00:06,708 --> 00:00:30,228 Speaker 1: partnership with iHeartRadio. Good Morning just touched down, Yeah sne 3 00:00:30,228 --> 00:00:35,028 Speaker 1: of s. Jackson steps up, fired touchdown. Lamar Jackson been fielding, 4 00:00:35,108 --> 00:00:39,108 Speaker 1: going on a man to be ten part hotchdown back 5 00:00:39,148 --> 00:00:41,828 Speaker 1: of the end zone. Uber name bankes to catch Lamar 6 00:00:42,068 --> 00:00:45,908 Speaker 1: sends them flyine for the exits in Foxborough. Hit my line. 7 00:00:46,228 --> 00:00:50,428 Speaker 1: It's that time. This ain't sound. It's a vibe. We 8 00:00:50,748 --> 00:00:55,828 Speaker 1: was down. He's a vibe. Beep us now we all cry. 9 00:01:00,188 --> 00:01:03,908 Speaker 1: An amazing athlete to watch play football, Lamar Jackson. He 10 00:01:04,068 --> 00:01:06,908 Speaker 1: is topic in the NFL today, a lot of days 11 00:01:07,068 --> 00:01:08,868 Speaker 1: right now. Welcome to Good Morning foll Here live in 12 00:01:08,868 --> 00:01:11,348 Speaker 1: New York City, Tuesday, March seventh. I'm Jamie Artle. Kyle 13 00:01:11,388 --> 00:01:14,708 Speaker 1: Brandt here is well, fresh off vacation. Kyle Cameron Wolf 14 00:01:14,708 --> 00:01:17,188 Speaker 1: at the breakfast table this week, as is Green Bay 15 00:01:17,188 --> 00:01:22,948 Speaker 1: Packers running back Aaron Jones. YEA, he looks great. Aaron's 16 00:01:22,988 --> 00:01:25,188 Speaker 1: been with us all for the first hour, and you 17 00:01:25,228 --> 00:01:27,148 Speaker 1: had to answer a lot of Roger's questions. You're feeling 18 00:01:27,188 --> 00:01:29,388 Speaker 1: good about your take about everything you said about your guy. 19 00:01:29,588 --> 00:01:35,508 Speaker 1: I am good. Let me clarify, he's a packer. I 20 00:01:35,748 --> 00:01:39,188 Speaker 1: just keep saying it. It's a manifestation. Let's go um. 21 00:01:39,908 --> 00:01:42,348 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, you watched highlights like that. You love watching 22 00:01:42,348 --> 00:01:44,628 Speaker 1: that guy play quarterback? I love it. I mean, I 23 00:01:44,628 --> 00:01:47,228 Speaker 1: feel like he's definitely changed the game at that position. 24 00:01:47,228 --> 00:01:50,588 Speaker 1: You see so much more quarterbacks now running the ball. 25 00:01:51,108 --> 00:01:53,508 Speaker 1: M I feel like before it used to be. This 26 00:01:53,588 --> 00:01:55,868 Speaker 1: is like our French hoiuse quarterback. We don't want him 27 00:01:56,068 --> 00:01:58,548 Speaker 1: out there running the ball and taking hits. And you 28 00:01:58,588 --> 00:02:00,948 Speaker 1: see how extends plays and you always have a chance 29 00:02:00,948 --> 00:02:02,948 Speaker 1: with him h and you always have a chance to 30 00:02:02,988 --> 00:02:04,708 Speaker 1: win with him in the game absolutely well. Whether or 31 00:02:04,708 --> 00:02:06,988 Speaker 1: not he is the Ravens franchise quarterback, that is the question. 32 00:02:07,508 --> 00:02:09,788 Speaker 1: Ian Report joining us now our NFL Network insider to 33 00:02:09,868 --> 00:02:12,788 Speaker 1: talk not only Laura Jackson, but just a franchise tag 34 00:02:12,908 --> 00:02:16,708 Speaker 1: deadline that happens later on today at four pm Eastern, Lamar, 35 00:02:16,828 --> 00:02:19,388 Speaker 1: will he get the tag? Will kind of tag? Is it? 36 00:02:19,588 --> 00:02:22,588 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones got a lot of big names on that list. Today, 37 00:02:23,628 --> 00:02:26,668 Speaker 1: We'll start with Daniel Jones because all eyes are there 38 00:02:26,668 --> 00:02:28,708 Speaker 1: with the New York Giants. His agents have been meeting 39 00:02:28,748 --> 00:02:30,708 Speaker 1: with the Giants. It feels like round the clock for 40 00:02:30,748 --> 00:02:33,628 Speaker 1: about over the course of the last week, deep into 41 00:02:33,628 --> 00:02:35,788 Speaker 1: the night, these talks continued. I'm told I got a 42 00:02:35,788 --> 00:02:39,788 Speaker 1: little tensions boiled over, but they continue talking. When you 43 00:02:39,828 --> 00:02:42,508 Speaker 1: look at the scope of negotiations, you look at where 44 00:02:42,548 --> 00:02:45,468 Speaker 1: things stand. The fact that the two sides are keeping 45 00:02:45,508 --> 00:02:48,828 Speaker 1: talking means there is some optimism there that Daniel Jones 46 00:02:48,948 --> 00:02:51,868 Speaker 1: gets a long term deal done. I would expect that 47 00:02:51,948 --> 00:02:54,388 Speaker 1: number to start with a four if a deal ends 48 00:02:54,468 --> 00:02:56,628 Speaker 1: up getting done. They are not there yet, but certainly 49 00:02:56,668 --> 00:03:00,028 Speaker 1: that is the focus. This morning, four pm is the deadline, 50 00:03:00,228 --> 00:03:03,508 Speaker 1: and they're added benefits to locking up Daniel Jones long term. 51 00:03:03,508 --> 00:03:05,908 Speaker 1: Besides the fact that sock up Daniel Jones long term, 52 00:03:06,148 --> 00:03:08,748 Speaker 1: then they have the franchise tag available. Teams just get 53 00:03:08,788 --> 00:03:12,228 Speaker 1: one to use on running back sa Quon Barkley. Meanwhile, 54 00:03:12,228 --> 00:03:15,708 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens are trying to do that with Lamar Jackson. 55 00:03:16,228 --> 00:03:19,788 Speaker 1: Just does not seem like Jackson personally has engaged in 56 00:03:19,828 --> 00:03:22,788 Speaker 1: the conversation and he is representing himself. He's had these 57 00:03:22,828 --> 00:03:25,788 Speaker 1: conversations one on one with Eric de Kaza. They've made 58 00:03:25,788 --> 00:03:28,348 Speaker 1: a variety of different offers try to get done and 59 00:03:28,468 --> 00:03:31,428 Speaker 1: done a couple of different ways. It simply has not happened. 60 00:03:31,548 --> 00:03:34,068 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson going to get the tag today, just a 61 00:03:34,108 --> 00:03:37,108 Speaker 1: matter is it the exclusive tag or the non exclusive tag? 62 00:03:38,628 --> 00:03:40,788 Speaker 1: And depending on which one it is, you'll be able 63 00:03:40,828 --> 00:03:42,988 Speaker 1: to find out real quick what kind of teams are 64 00:03:42,988 --> 00:03:44,708 Speaker 1: going to give up two first round picks for Lamar 65 00:03:44,788 --> 00:03:47,108 Speaker 1: Jackson if they won him in whatever color jersey they 66 00:03:47,188 --> 00:03:49,188 Speaker 1: may have maybe a screen. I don't know. There's a 67 00:03:49,188 --> 00:03:51,268 Speaker 1: lot of teams that we could see come bubble up 68 00:03:51,268 --> 00:03:53,508 Speaker 1: to the surface for Lamar Jackson. Thank you so much, 69 00:03:53,548 --> 00:03:56,028 Speaker 1: Ian Rapport Tax team a little bit. He was just 70 00:03:56,108 --> 00:03:58,628 Speaker 1: mentioning the four pm Eastern trade deadline cut off. The 71 00:03:58,708 --> 00:04:02,388 Speaker 1: clock is ticking just hours away before you will find 72 00:04:02,388 --> 00:04:04,068 Speaker 1: out whether your guy and your team is with you 73 00:04:04,108 --> 00:04:07,908 Speaker 1: one year under the elusive franchise tag guaranteed money. But 74 00:04:07,988 --> 00:04:10,668 Speaker 1: it does just kind of lean into the conversation of 75 00:04:10,788 --> 00:04:12,628 Speaker 1: you know, is this a franchise guy or do they 76 00:04:12,668 --> 00:04:14,348 Speaker 1: just want to see you for one more year. Lamar 77 00:04:14,428 --> 00:04:15,828 Speaker 1: Jackson at the top of the list right now for 78 00:04:15,868 --> 00:04:18,788 Speaker 1: the Ravens and how they handle this situation whether or 79 00:04:18,828 --> 00:04:21,188 Speaker 1: not he gets the franchise tag moving forward, Kyle, what 80 00:04:21,228 --> 00:04:24,028 Speaker 1: do you think about this again? Do you know what 81 00:04:24,148 --> 00:04:28,708 Speaker 1: a you know what a promise ring is. Yeah, some 82 00:04:28,748 --> 00:04:30,628 Speaker 1: people don't like it as much as Jamie's just reacted 83 00:04:30,668 --> 00:04:38,948 Speaker 1: into it. I think it'sute's good word. Yeah, it's yeah right, 84 00:04:39,028 --> 00:04:41,428 Speaker 1: it's it's a little high school, it's a little college. 85 00:04:41,868 --> 00:04:44,548 Speaker 1: I think Jamie's ever either gotten one or given one, 86 00:04:45,068 --> 00:04:47,028 Speaker 1: just based on your reaction, Jamie, you're franst right now. 87 00:04:48,468 --> 00:04:50,748 Speaker 1: All I said was promis ring. I'm trying to talk about, Lamar, 88 00:04:50,908 --> 00:04:52,788 Speaker 1: you asked me, And I think I think it's a 89 00:04:52,828 --> 00:04:55,188 Speaker 1: sweet gesture for some people who believe in that. So 90 00:04:55,228 --> 00:04:56,948 Speaker 1: that's why I had such a Yeah, I had a 91 00:04:57,108 --> 00:04:59,268 Speaker 1: nice response to it, you know, but I think that's perfect. 92 00:04:59,268 --> 00:05:01,548 Speaker 1: I think it is a sweet gesture. Yeah, it also 93 00:05:01,588 --> 00:05:04,188 Speaker 1: going to be a very patronizing gesture. Promise ring is 94 00:05:05,468 --> 00:05:08,988 Speaker 1: will you marry me someday? Not now? Like this is 95 00:05:09,068 --> 00:05:11,428 Speaker 1: a This is like basically putting you on hold for 96 00:05:11,468 --> 00:05:14,228 Speaker 1: a little while while either maybe I make some money 97 00:05:14,308 --> 00:05:15,868 Speaker 1: or more likely I just make up my mind about 98 00:05:15,908 --> 00:05:18,268 Speaker 1: whether I really want to marry you. The franchise tag 99 00:05:18,348 --> 00:05:20,868 Speaker 1: is a promise ring. It's a promise ring. It's saying 100 00:05:21,268 --> 00:05:24,468 Speaker 1: we are so in like with you, Lamar, like don't 101 00:05:24,468 --> 00:05:26,468 Speaker 1: go anywhere, and it's a promise ring that you have 102 00:05:26,588 --> 00:05:29,468 Speaker 1: to put on that is binding that you can't really 103 00:05:29,588 --> 00:05:33,908 Speaker 1: say no to. If they tag Lamar, then it's on. 104 00:05:34,148 --> 00:05:36,428 Speaker 1: Because we don't know a lot of things about Lamar 105 00:05:36,468 --> 00:05:38,988 Speaker 1: and this, it's a very enigmatic situation. It's so much mystery. 106 00:05:39,068 --> 00:05:42,868 Speaker 1: Here's what we know. Damn Well, Lamar has strong conviction 107 00:05:43,108 --> 00:05:44,948 Speaker 1: and whatever it is he's standing for, or they would 108 00:05:44,948 --> 00:05:47,148 Speaker 1: have had a contract six months ago and twelve months ago. 109 00:05:47,388 --> 00:05:50,428 Speaker 1: He's not bending or anything. So if the Ravens say, fine, 110 00:05:50,548 --> 00:05:52,908 Speaker 1: your franchise tag you have to play with us next year, 111 00:05:53,148 --> 00:05:57,148 Speaker 1: I think you look at the whole WW three training 112 00:05:57,148 --> 00:06:00,268 Speaker 1: camp hold out. I'm not showing up camp resumed without 113 00:06:00,308 --> 00:06:02,588 Speaker 1: Lamar Snoopuntley's playing corner. We don't know what we are 114 00:06:02,628 --> 00:06:05,108 Speaker 1: is on organization when what we're going I can't possibly 115 00:06:05,148 --> 00:06:07,588 Speaker 1: imagine him saying, all right, well I've been holding out 116 00:06:07,588 --> 00:06:09,268 Speaker 1: for a year for this contract, but you tag me, 117 00:06:09,308 --> 00:06:11,028 Speaker 1: so I'll just play into that. It's not going to happen. 118 00:06:11,268 --> 00:06:13,828 Speaker 1: My question is, if they do the non exclusive today, 119 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:17,108 Speaker 1: where are the suitors coming from Lamar. They can talk 120 00:06:17,148 --> 00:06:19,188 Speaker 1: to him, they can negotiate with them. Are they going 121 00:06:19,268 --> 00:06:20,708 Speaker 1: to just jump right in and be like that deal 122 00:06:20,748 --> 00:06:23,108 Speaker 1: you want for a year from the Ravens will give 123 00:06:23,148 --> 00:06:25,068 Speaker 1: you that, because they won't because it's going to be 124 00:06:25,148 --> 00:06:29,028 Speaker 1: something because whatever it is, I'm sure is massive and outlandish, 125 00:06:29,068 --> 00:06:31,028 Speaker 1: and he won't and that Ravens won't offer it to him. 126 00:06:31,268 --> 00:06:32,748 Speaker 1: If they would have give they would have been a 127 00:06:32,748 --> 00:06:34,588 Speaker 1: great table on the offer from another team. The Ravens 128 00:06:34,588 --> 00:06:36,548 Speaker 1: would have already given it to him. It's been so long. 129 00:06:36,748 --> 00:06:43,188 Speaker 1: So a top five quarterback, yeah, top five, yes, fully 130 00:06:43,228 --> 00:06:47,668 Speaker 1: guaranteed most the highest paid of all time, Deshaun Watson. Nonsense, No, 131 00:06:47,828 --> 00:06:49,388 Speaker 1: And I think that's why we're here, but that he 132 00:06:49,428 --> 00:06:53,068 Speaker 1: shouldn't be punished because because the Browns did something that 133 00:06:53,188 --> 00:06:56,468 Speaker 1: ruined the quarterback market. I think he's holding firm because 134 00:06:56,508 --> 00:06:59,108 Speaker 1: the standard has been set. Whatever you think about the 135 00:06:59,148 --> 00:07:03,828 Speaker 1: market is what it is, is not today's. Hey, um 136 00:07:04,468 --> 00:07:07,548 Speaker 1: Lamar has been very strong on this, and I think 137 00:07:07,588 --> 00:07:10,668 Speaker 1: that if he doesn't put that promised ring on, if 138 00:07:10,668 --> 00:07:14,548 Speaker 1: he holds out, if he has some disdain, which would 139 00:07:14,588 --> 00:07:16,628 Speaker 1: not surprise me. Up about this offseason, it's gonna be 140 00:07:16,668 --> 00:07:19,668 Speaker 1: interesting to see how the Ravens react, what the narrative is, 141 00:07:19,708 --> 00:07:22,148 Speaker 1: because like you said, Lamar has not been very public 142 00:07:22,428 --> 00:07:25,228 Speaker 1: in this situation, and I'm gonna use that ring comparison 143 00:07:25,268 --> 00:07:27,588 Speaker 1: because I feel like there needs to be some couples 144 00:07:27,628 --> 00:07:30,548 Speaker 1: therapy here. I don't know who has to been, but 145 00:07:30,668 --> 00:07:34,388 Speaker 1: in every relationship, you have to bend at some point, 146 00:07:34,708 --> 00:07:37,348 Speaker 1: and I think that it's at this point on the 147 00:07:37,348 --> 00:07:40,948 Speaker 1: team to bend a bit. Right now, we're seeing the 148 00:07:40,988 --> 00:07:42,788 Speaker 1: team say, hey, we're gonna put the tag on him. 149 00:07:42,868 --> 00:07:45,188 Speaker 1: Lamar's not doing this, Lamar's not doing that. If you 150 00:07:45,268 --> 00:07:50,788 Speaker 1: really love someone, you've been for him. I've been, you know, 151 00:07:50,948 --> 00:07:53,388 Speaker 1: on things that I think I'm right about, and so 152 00:07:53,668 --> 00:07:55,548 Speaker 1: the team may feel like they're right about this. But 153 00:07:55,588 --> 00:07:57,828 Speaker 1: if you truly care about Lamar and you really want 154 00:07:57,868 --> 00:07:59,948 Speaker 1: to be committed to them, maybe it's not the full 155 00:08:00,068 --> 00:08:02,428 Speaker 1: DeShawn number, but I think there's a way you can 156 00:08:02,508 --> 00:08:05,108 Speaker 1: make him happy if you truly believe in them. And 157 00:08:05,148 --> 00:08:06,868 Speaker 1: I think that's what this all season is gonna show, 158 00:08:07,348 --> 00:08:10,268 Speaker 1: how much they are truly committed to him, because there's 159 00:08:10,268 --> 00:08:12,508 Speaker 1: a lot of things going on behind the scenes that 160 00:08:12,588 --> 00:08:16,148 Speaker 1: people haven't talked about that that relationship is getting rockier 161 00:08:16,468 --> 00:08:18,908 Speaker 1: and rockier, and we've seen some elements whether it's on 162 00:08:19,028 --> 00:08:22,068 Speaker 1: the on the injury front, where there's comments on both 163 00:08:22,108 --> 00:08:24,548 Speaker 1: sides about how serious the injury was, how the rehap 164 00:08:24,708 --> 00:08:27,868 Speaker 1: us or we see a receiver like Rashad Bateman coming 165 00:08:27,948 --> 00:08:31,028 Speaker 1: out and questioning the general manager general manager Eric da 166 00:08:31,028 --> 00:08:33,988 Speaker 1: Costa about how he's responded about the receiver position, how 167 00:08:34,028 --> 00:08:37,148 Speaker 1: they're taking about Lamar. Everybody is watching how the Ravens 168 00:08:37,268 --> 00:08:40,388 Speaker 1: respond to the Lamar situation. I think it's gonna control 169 00:08:40,508 --> 00:08:42,868 Speaker 1: how this organization moves going forward. What do you think. 170 00:08:44,508 --> 00:08:46,908 Speaker 1: I feel like it don't meant his money. Yeah, he's 171 00:08:46,908 --> 00:08:51,708 Speaker 1: earned it, he deserves it, but also I feel like 172 00:08:51,788 --> 00:08:54,988 Speaker 1: he's done it with little help at times there, and 173 00:08:55,868 --> 00:08:59,268 Speaker 1: he's still found ways, found ways to win. So I 174 00:08:59,348 --> 00:09:02,148 Speaker 1: feel like, commit to them and get them some more 175 00:09:02,228 --> 00:09:04,748 Speaker 1: help there. They have some good pieces there already, but 176 00:09:04,868 --> 00:09:07,868 Speaker 1: get them some more help in. I don't think they'll 177 00:09:07,908 --> 00:09:09,948 Speaker 1: regret it. Yeah, I think Jason mccordy sits in that 178 00:09:10,028 --> 00:09:12,228 Speaker 1: chair normally, and I've officially gone to the Jason mccordy 179 00:09:12,308 --> 00:09:14,148 Speaker 1: school of thought, which is pay the man his money 180 00:09:14,188 --> 00:09:17,188 Speaker 1: and it's not his fault that the Ravens waited for 181 00:09:17,348 --> 00:09:19,908 Speaker 1: the market to reset, Because once again I go back 182 00:09:19,908 --> 00:09:22,068 Speaker 1: to March twenty second of last year when the Browns 183 00:09:22,148 --> 00:09:24,868 Speaker 1: decided to reset the quarterback market. The Ravens, that's on 184 00:09:25,028 --> 00:09:27,428 Speaker 1: you for deciding to pick up his fifth year option 185 00:09:27,508 --> 00:09:29,988 Speaker 1: and not giving him a deal anytime you wanted to 186 00:09:30,228 --> 00:09:32,628 Speaker 1: before that. That's on you. The fact that you have 187 00:09:32,708 --> 00:09:34,868 Speaker 1: been all talk and no action when it comes to 188 00:09:34,988 --> 00:09:36,788 Speaker 1: paying this man is money. Kyle, to your point, if 189 00:09:36,828 --> 00:09:39,268 Speaker 1: he does get the non exclusive tag and other teams, 190 00:09:39,508 --> 00:09:42,108 Speaker 1: I think Cam brought up the Falcons. I think there 191 00:09:42,148 --> 00:09:43,948 Speaker 1: are teams that would come to the table with that number. 192 00:09:44,028 --> 00:09:46,908 Speaker 1: The number is very well known. The guaranteed money is 193 00:09:47,108 --> 00:09:50,708 Speaker 1: very well known. There are plenty of teams desperate enough 194 00:09:51,028 --> 00:09:53,308 Speaker 1: and with enough wiggle room that I was listening to 195 00:09:53,388 --> 00:09:55,308 Speaker 1: something other day. The Falcons almost have a problem with 196 00:09:55,388 --> 00:09:57,068 Speaker 1: how much money they have to spend in terms of 197 00:09:57,148 --> 00:09:59,508 Speaker 1: cap space. I'm sure they would be thrilled to do that. 198 00:09:59,868 --> 00:10:02,388 Speaker 1: So the Ravens, I think it's annoying how much they're 199 00:10:02,388 --> 00:10:04,948 Speaker 1: talking about their love for Lamar Jackson. They can't get 200 00:10:04,988 --> 00:10:07,748 Speaker 1: off and pay him something. And it's tough as a 201 00:10:07,788 --> 00:10:11,308 Speaker 1: player because they say know your worth, yes and all right, 202 00:10:11,508 --> 00:10:13,628 Speaker 1: So I feel him he knows his worth and he's 203 00:10:13,628 --> 00:10:15,908 Speaker 1: not gonna take any anything less than what he's worth. 204 00:10:15,948 --> 00:10:18,668 Speaker 1: And like you said, March twenty second of last year, 205 00:10:18,668 --> 00:10:20,588 Speaker 1: they had or all the way up until then they 206 00:10:20,668 --> 00:10:22,388 Speaker 1: had a chance. But even if they do tag and 207 00:10:22,428 --> 00:10:25,348 Speaker 1: they still have time to get a contract done so. 208 00:10:25,628 --> 00:10:27,708 Speaker 1: And not only has his play on the field been pristine, 209 00:10:28,108 --> 00:10:30,908 Speaker 1: he's been a model citizen for the city of Baltimore. 210 00:10:31,068 --> 00:10:33,748 Speaker 1: The fans and the Ravens are risking. I think people 211 00:10:33,868 --> 00:10:36,148 Speaker 1: like the division of the sea here. They're starting to 212 00:10:36,268 --> 00:10:37,988 Speaker 1: I think fall more on the wayside of like if 213 00:10:37,988 --> 00:10:40,108 Speaker 1: you let Lamar walk that it's just an indictment on 214 00:10:40,228 --> 00:10:43,868 Speaker 1: the Ravens. Fans will be absolute about that and go ahead, 215 00:10:44,828 --> 00:10:47,748 Speaker 1: let's trut this into you. Let's say Aaron that they say, 216 00:10:48,068 --> 00:10:49,748 Speaker 1: you know what, we tap you win, We're going to 217 00:10:49,828 --> 00:10:52,828 Speaker 1: give you everything. We're gonna give you fifty some close 218 00:10:52,868 --> 00:10:57,228 Speaker 1: to sixty million bucks a year. Doesn't it become wildly 219 00:10:57,348 --> 00:10:59,828 Speaker 1: difficult for the Ravens to then win a Super Bowl? 220 00:11:00,228 --> 00:11:02,388 Speaker 1: Look at your own experience, let's call it what it is. 221 00:11:02,708 --> 00:11:04,988 Speaker 1: Airs made a lot of money, lot of money, and 222 00:11:05,068 --> 00:11:08,348 Speaker 1: he deserved every penny of it. Does it not prohibit 223 00:11:08,628 --> 00:11:11,868 Speaker 1: adding other pieces, adding free agents? Adding pieces that can 224 00:11:11,948 --> 00:11:13,628 Speaker 1: help you win a Super Bowl. People bring up the 225 00:11:13,668 --> 00:11:16,308 Speaker 1: Brady example all the time. I don't. I don't think so. 226 00:11:17,308 --> 00:11:19,148 Speaker 1: Since I've been there in Green Day, we've we've bought 227 00:11:19,188 --> 00:11:22,508 Speaker 1: in guys and guys who've made a huge difference, from 228 00:11:22,628 --> 00:11:27,788 Speaker 1: Preston Smith to Adrian and Amos to Zadarius, guys like 229 00:11:27,908 --> 00:11:31,388 Speaker 1: that Adrian Amos that we've bought in w who've made 230 00:11:31,428 --> 00:11:34,748 Speaker 1: a difference, and h So Jaren Reid, guys like that. 231 00:11:34,868 --> 00:11:37,548 Speaker 1: So I feel like, even even though you're paying your 232 00:11:37,628 --> 00:11:40,188 Speaker 1: quarterback that much money, you still have guys who who 233 00:11:40,708 --> 00:11:42,028 Speaker 1: want to come in and play. And then you have 234 00:11:42,348 --> 00:11:45,708 Speaker 1: quarterbacks like those, more guys are more likely inclined to 235 00:11:45,988 --> 00:11:47,908 Speaker 1: when they hit free agency. Okay, let me go over here. 236 00:11:47,948 --> 00:11:50,428 Speaker 1: I know, I Stan, this guy's a great quarterback. In 237 00:11:50,508 --> 00:11:52,628 Speaker 1: this league. You need a great quarterback to stand a 238 00:11:52,708 --> 00:11:54,868 Speaker 1: chance to win the Super Bowl. It's like the Patrick 239 00:11:54,908 --> 00:11:57,508 Speaker 1: Mahomes Tom Brady school of thought. Like they played to 240 00:11:57,548 --> 00:11:59,828 Speaker 1: a certain standard and they were being paid whatever. They 241 00:11:59,868 --> 00:12:03,028 Speaker 1: were very different circumstances, but very strange names. All of 242 00:12:03,028 --> 00:12:05,148 Speaker 1: a sudden, showing up at those training camps, You're like, wait, 243 00:12:05,228 --> 00:12:06,988 Speaker 1: that guy's on that team now, and then they end 244 00:12:07,068 --> 00:12:10,788 Speaker 1: up winning with guys like that. Yeah, obviously the salary 245 00:12:10,828 --> 00:12:13,548 Speaker 1: cap is something that could be manipulated, and so you'd 246 00:12:13,548 --> 00:12:15,628 Speaker 1: make things work when you want to make things work. 247 00:12:15,668 --> 00:12:18,748 Speaker 1: Big quarterback contract makes you be more creative. But I 248 00:12:18,788 --> 00:12:20,468 Speaker 1: want to get back a little bit to the Lamar. 249 00:12:21,468 --> 00:12:24,108 Speaker 1: A lot of Ravens fans would be revolt, but also 250 00:12:24,348 --> 00:12:28,548 Speaker 1: Lamar's become sort of a culture figure for a lot 251 00:12:28,628 --> 00:12:31,708 Speaker 1: of people. I've been out in areas of Popino Beach, 252 00:12:31,708 --> 00:12:34,068 Speaker 1: where Lamar's from in Miami and just seeing how a 253 00:12:34,188 --> 00:12:36,828 Speaker 1: group of young kids want to be like Lamar because 254 00:12:36,828 --> 00:12:39,188 Speaker 1: the style he plays, that's the way that quarterbacks used 255 00:12:39,228 --> 00:12:40,948 Speaker 1: to not be able to play for a long period 256 00:12:40,988 --> 00:12:42,868 Speaker 1: of time. And so I think there's an element there, 257 00:12:42,948 --> 00:12:45,948 Speaker 1: maybe lower on the list, that you have a figure 258 00:12:46,148 --> 00:12:49,548 Speaker 1: who's transcendent of quarterbacks in this league. There's no one 259 00:12:49,668 --> 00:12:52,708 Speaker 1: like Lamar. A whole generation of athletes will grow up 260 00:12:52,788 --> 00:12:55,348 Speaker 1: playing like Lamar because of that, and I think that 261 00:12:55,628 --> 00:12:57,268 Speaker 1: is a factor and a part of this, and You've 262 00:12:57,308 --> 00:12:59,788 Speaker 1: built your offense around him because of that. There are 263 00:12:59,788 --> 00:13:03,068 Speaker 1: four and eight last two seasons without Lamar and the 264 00:13:03,108 --> 00:13:05,668 Speaker 1: starting lineup, and so if you say, hey, we're gonna 265 00:13:05,748 --> 00:13:07,308 Speaker 1: draw a lot into stand or we're not gonna give you. 266 00:13:07,508 --> 00:13:10,628 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to redo everything you've built this team for, 267 00:13:11,108 --> 00:13:13,148 Speaker 1: and the Ravens as we know it will not be 268 00:13:13,268 --> 00:13:16,748 Speaker 1: the same. The interesting kind of I think safe gap 269 00:13:16,868 --> 00:13:19,028 Speaker 1: safeguard the Ravens have now installed as the fact that 270 00:13:19,028 --> 00:13:21,028 Speaker 1: they have a new offensive coordinator and they have Todd 271 00:13:21,068 --> 00:13:22,708 Speaker 1: Munk in there from Georgian like, there could be a 272 00:13:22,828 --> 00:13:25,228 Speaker 1: ripple effect of like what changes is he making whether 273 00:13:25,348 --> 00:13:28,228 Speaker 1: or not he has Lamar Jackson to use within that offense, 274 00:13:28,268 --> 00:13:30,348 Speaker 1: and if things start to go away from war, they 275 00:13:30,428 --> 00:13:32,268 Speaker 1: have kind of an excuse to be like, Okay, Todd, 276 00:13:32,348 --> 00:13:35,228 Speaker 1: you can install whatever offense you please, because apparently you're 277 00:13:35,228 --> 00:13:36,868 Speaker 1: the new look Ravens and we'll see what he does 278 00:13:36,908 --> 00:13:38,908 Speaker 1: with it. I have one more question for Aaron. A 279 00:13:39,028 --> 00:13:41,348 Speaker 1: lot of the conversation about Lamar has to do with 280 00:13:41,468 --> 00:13:44,468 Speaker 1: him not having an agent as a player. You signed 281 00:13:44,468 --> 00:13:46,588 Speaker 1: a really nice extension with the Packers. I imagine you 282 00:13:46,668 --> 00:13:48,788 Speaker 1: have an Asian dude. Yes, sir, What do you make 283 00:13:48,828 --> 00:13:52,108 Speaker 1: of the guys representing themselves, especially for a contract this 284 00:13:52,308 --> 00:13:54,988 Speaker 1: big of this stature. Could you do it? And what 285 00:13:55,148 --> 00:13:58,788 Speaker 1: goes into it? I definitely couldn't have done Why couldn't 286 00:13:58,788 --> 00:14:00,628 Speaker 1: you do it? It's just it's a lot of language 287 00:14:00,628 --> 00:14:03,348 Speaker 1: in it of some of the stuff I didn't understand 288 00:14:03,628 --> 00:14:07,468 Speaker 1: or had to be explain to me. So they're literally 289 00:14:07,548 --> 00:14:10,468 Speaker 1: sitting there walking me line through line about the contract 290 00:14:10,508 --> 00:14:12,828 Speaker 1: and the details and everything, and I still feel like 291 00:14:12,868 --> 00:14:15,148 Speaker 1: I had to take some notes as they're explaining it 292 00:14:15,228 --> 00:14:17,268 Speaker 1: to me. So it's just a lot to take in. 293 00:14:17,468 --> 00:14:19,308 Speaker 1: And uh So, if he's doing I hope he has 294 00:14:19,388 --> 00:14:22,108 Speaker 1: somebody right there with them, or like a lawyer or 295 00:14:22,148 --> 00:14:25,108 Speaker 1: somebody in his ear helping him, because that can be 296 00:14:25,188 --> 00:14:26,788 Speaker 1: a lot. But at the same time, I do have 297 00:14:26,868 --> 00:14:29,748 Speaker 1: a teammate, Rashaun Garry, who's his own his own agent, 298 00:14:30,548 --> 00:14:32,668 Speaker 1: So it's cool. It's cool to see guys take to 299 00:14:32,748 --> 00:14:35,148 Speaker 1: take that ownership, but at the same time, it's for 300 00:14:35,268 --> 00:14:37,228 Speaker 1: me that'd be hard to do that and play football 301 00:14:37,268 --> 00:14:39,228 Speaker 1: soon get to do it. However you want to handle 302 00:14:39,268 --> 00:14:44,268 Speaker 1: your business, that's the that's their prerogative. Absolutely, We now 303 00:14:44,388 --> 00:14:48,748 Speaker 1: welcome to the show. A former general manager, assistant general 304 00:14:48,788 --> 00:14:52,828 Speaker 1: manager and vice president of player personnel, he won three 305 00:14:52,908 --> 00:14:56,068 Speaker 1: Super Bowls with the New England Patriots. Now he's our 306 00:14:56,148 --> 00:15:00,668 Speaker 1: front office analyst for NFL Network. Welcome to the breakfast table, Scott, 307 00:15:00,788 --> 00:15:08,348 Speaker 1: Piola's got good morn warning everybody good to see it. Yeah, 308 00:15:10,908 --> 00:15:15,308 Speaker 1: I was nervous, Scott. What are your thoughts on Lamar 309 00:15:15,468 --> 00:15:18,748 Speaker 1: Jackson acting as his own agent. I know you've been 310 00:15:18,788 --> 00:15:20,908 Speaker 1: in a lot of negotiation rooms. Have you seen a 311 00:15:20,988 --> 00:15:25,988 Speaker 1: situation like this with the player cam? I have. Actually, 312 00:15:26,108 --> 00:15:28,628 Speaker 1: it's and it's a complicated situation for sure. I listen 313 00:15:28,668 --> 00:15:30,788 Speaker 1: to you guys talk about it earlier. You all brought 314 00:15:30,908 --> 00:15:33,068 Speaker 1: up some great points. And you know, we had this 315 00:15:33,148 --> 00:15:36,988 Speaker 1: situation with Teddy Bruski back when I was with the Patriots, 316 00:15:37,028 --> 00:15:38,668 Speaker 1: and he had earlier had an agent by the name 317 00:15:38,668 --> 00:15:41,748 Speaker 1: of Brad Blank And for whatever reason, Teddy decided that 318 00:15:41,828 --> 00:15:43,988 Speaker 1: he wanted to do one of these his own, on 319 00:15:44,228 --> 00:15:47,428 Speaker 1: his own after he had his stroke. And again the 320 00:15:47,468 --> 00:15:50,228 Speaker 1: circumstances were very different. You know, Teddy was in this situation, 321 00:15:50,388 --> 00:15:53,828 Speaker 1: he had won several Super Bowls. He was probably more 322 00:15:54,028 --> 00:15:56,508 Speaker 1: near the end of his career than where Lamar is. 323 00:15:57,068 --> 00:15:59,748 Speaker 1: But as Teddy and I had those conversations, it was 324 00:16:00,108 --> 00:16:03,068 Speaker 1: complicated at times because I had to be very careful 325 00:16:03,108 --> 00:16:06,268 Speaker 1: of my language and the things that I said, because 326 00:16:06,348 --> 00:16:09,868 Speaker 1: I didn't want to unintentionally say something that Teddy would 327 00:16:09,908 --> 00:16:13,028 Speaker 1: receive wrong. But again, Teddy had such a good relationship 328 00:16:13,388 --> 00:16:16,028 Speaker 1: not only with myself but with Robert and Jonathan Kraft, 329 00:16:16,108 --> 00:16:19,268 Speaker 1: a great relationship with Bill. He wanted to be there. 330 00:16:19,548 --> 00:16:22,988 Speaker 1: So some of the dynamics surrounding the negotiation actually made 331 00:16:23,028 --> 00:16:25,908 Speaker 1: it easier. I don't know fully what the relationship is 332 00:16:25,988 --> 00:16:30,548 Speaker 1: between Eric da costa Azzi and Lamar and coach Harbaugh, 333 00:16:30,868 --> 00:16:33,668 Speaker 1: so some of those things actually come into play here. 334 00:16:34,028 --> 00:16:36,148 Speaker 1: But again, which you always have to be careful of 335 00:16:36,268 --> 00:16:39,748 Speaker 1: is the language that you use, because sometimes the negotiations 336 00:16:39,828 --> 00:16:43,068 Speaker 1: you have to say some things I don't know to 337 00:16:43,268 --> 00:16:47,348 Speaker 1: balance the conversations that may feel unflattering to the players. 338 00:16:47,388 --> 00:16:49,988 Speaker 1: So this is definitely a sensitive subject, you know, Aaron, 339 00:16:50,068 --> 00:16:51,948 Speaker 1: I love the point that you brought up before. You know, 340 00:16:52,028 --> 00:16:53,628 Speaker 1: if he's going to do this, he has to make 341 00:16:53,668 --> 00:16:58,388 Speaker 1: sure that he has lawyers around to handle the language. Well. 342 00:16:58,428 --> 00:17:00,708 Speaker 1: I think if Lamar Jackson can sit there and handle 343 00:17:00,748 --> 00:17:03,188 Speaker 1: a tough conversation, I can't imagine anyone else that could 344 00:17:03,228 --> 00:17:04,628 Speaker 1: sit in the room and be at the table and 345 00:17:04,868 --> 00:17:06,828 Speaker 1: deal with that moving forward, So we will all be 346 00:17:06,908 --> 00:17:08,988 Speaker 1: sitting here with intrigue as we watched that unfold. Let's 347 00:17:08,988 --> 00:17:11,068 Speaker 1: talk about the draft bus though, Scott. Last time you 348 00:17:11,148 --> 00:17:13,108 Speaker 1: were on the show, we asked you if you thought 349 00:17:13,188 --> 00:17:15,828 Speaker 1: a stellar performance from the long arm be Jean Robinson 350 00:17:15,908 --> 00:17:18,988 Speaker 1: the running back, could flip the script for that position 351 00:17:19,188 --> 00:17:21,028 Speaker 1: in the draft. Now that you've seen in perform of 352 00:17:21,108 --> 00:17:25,948 Speaker 1: the combine over the weekend in Indianapolis, what'd you think, Jamie, 353 00:17:25,988 --> 00:17:27,748 Speaker 1: I think it's definitely going to flip the script for 354 00:17:27,828 --> 00:17:30,708 Speaker 1: Bijean individually, for sure, and possibly some of the other 355 00:17:30,788 --> 00:17:33,828 Speaker 1: running backs that also had good combines. And here's the 356 00:17:33,868 --> 00:17:38,268 Speaker 1: thing with Bijean specifically, he worked out very well. It 357 00:17:38,508 --> 00:17:42,508 Speaker 1: wasn't rare, but it was very very good. But most importantly, 358 00:17:42,628 --> 00:17:45,868 Speaker 1: I think what happens is at the combine, people focus 359 00:17:45,988 --> 00:17:48,708 Speaker 1: so much on the workouts they forget the importance of 360 00:17:48,748 --> 00:17:50,788 Speaker 1: the individual meetings with the teams. I had a chance 361 00:17:50,868 --> 00:17:53,468 Speaker 1: to visit with Bijan while I was out there, and 362 00:17:53,548 --> 00:17:56,028 Speaker 1: then I also talked to some folks that had interviews 363 00:17:56,068 --> 00:17:58,428 Speaker 1: with them, and they were all very much like me, 364 00:17:58,628 --> 00:18:01,988 Speaker 1: completely blown away at the man that Bijean is. He 365 00:18:02,148 --> 00:18:04,828 Speaker 1: is a championship player, he is then person and that 366 00:18:04,988 --> 00:18:07,668 Speaker 1: you can win championships with so I think what he 367 00:18:07,828 --> 00:18:10,228 Speaker 1: did there this week at the Combine in terms of 368 00:18:10,348 --> 00:18:13,708 Speaker 1: his workout, but also his meetings with teams, he certainly 369 00:18:13,788 --> 00:18:17,268 Speaker 1: helped himself and helped the running running back class for sure. 370 00:18:18,668 --> 00:18:20,868 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers from Boston College is one of the top 371 00:18:21,028 --> 00:18:23,468 Speaker 1: rated receivers in the draft. What do you think of 372 00:18:24,108 --> 00:18:27,108 Speaker 1: his workout at the Combine? Yeah, I gotta tell you, Aaron, 373 00:18:27,228 --> 00:18:29,388 Speaker 1: so let me get a little history real quick before 374 00:18:29,388 --> 00:18:32,348 Speaker 1: I talk about his workout. There's only been four Boston 375 00:18:32,428 --> 00:18:35,828 Speaker 1: College receivers that have been drafted in the NFL since 376 00:18:35,988 --> 00:18:39,108 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six. The last one was Kelvin Bryant, who 377 00:18:39,188 --> 00:18:41,868 Speaker 1: wasn't drafted, who was drafted in nineteen eighty seven. So 378 00:18:41,948 --> 00:18:44,028 Speaker 1: it has been a long time since there's been a 379 00:18:44,188 --> 00:18:47,828 Speaker 1: draft pick at the wide receiver position for Boston College. 380 00:18:48,268 --> 00:18:51,148 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers had a very very good workout. I think 381 00:18:51,188 --> 00:18:53,668 Speaker 1: he ran faster than people thought he was gonna run. 382 00:18:54,068 --> 00:18:56,508 Speaker 1: He didn't have one of those crazy four two times, 383 00:18:56,548 --> 00:18:58,708 Speaker 1: but it was a very very good time. I think 384 00:18:58,748 --> 00:19:00,388 Speaker 1: the other thing that we got to see at his 385 00:19:00,508 --> 00:19:04,148 Speaker 1: workout was his change of direction, his quickness, and again 386 00:19:04,188 --> 00:19:06,388 Speaker 1: you have to look at the fact that he has 387 00:19:06,468 --> 00:19:09,868 Speaker 1: been an inside receiver, an outside receiver, and a returner. 388 00:19:09,948 --> 00:19:12,748 Speaker 1: He did punt returns not only at Boston College but 389 00:19:12,828 --> 00:19:15,708 Speaker 1: at the East West game. So he has this position 390 00:19:15,788 --> 00:19:20,228 Speaker 1: flexibility and he is going to find himself at the 391 00:19:20,348 --> 00:19:22,988 Speaker 1: game every week because of the number of the things 392 00:19:23,028 --> 00:19:25,508 Speaker 1: that he could do on the field. Had a terrific workout. 393 00:19:25,588 --> 00:19:28,388 Speaker 1: But again, here's another player who really helped himself with 394 00:19:28,628 --> 00:19:30,868 Speaker 1: his interviews. I think people got to know more about 395 00:19:30,988 --> 00:19:33,708 Speaker 1: Zay because the Boston College receivers again are usually off 396 00:19:33,748 --> 00:19:36,188 Speaker 1: the radar, but here's a guy who did the right thing. 397 00:19:36,308 --> 00:19:39,548 Speaker 1: He had a chance to transfer to another school make 398 00:19:39,588 --> 00:19:42,268 Speaker 1: a lot of nil money, but he wanted to stay 399 00:19:42,268 --> 00:19:45,388 Speaker 1: at Boston College and finish the deal. He's the fourteenth 400 00:19:45,548 --> 00:19:48,228 Speaker 1: child of fourteen and this guy knows how to work 401 00:19:48,268 --> 00:19:50,588 Speaker 1: and how to fight. So to me, Za Flowers really 402 00:19:50,628 --> 00:19:53,108 Speaker 1: helped himself quite a bit this past week at the combine, 403 00:19:54,348 --> 00:19:57,028 Speaker 1: say Flower's great story, Scott an interest in one and 404 00:19:57,108 --> 00:20:00,428 Speaker 1: will go to Calvin Ridley, a great looking young Falcon's 405 00:20:00,468 --> 00:20:04,028 Speaker 1: receiver suspended for a year for violating the league's gambling policy, 406 00:20:04,148 --> 00:20:07,268 Speaker 1: during which time he has traded to the Jaguars. Now 407 00:20:07,308 --> 00:20:10,388 Speaker 1: he is a Jaguars, He had a Doug Peterson Jaguar, Scott, 408 00:20:10,868 --> 00:20:12,508 Speaker 1: how do you put the pieces back together on this 409 00:20:12,628 --> 00:20:14,428 Speaker 1: and how did the Jaguars in their front office go 410 00:20:14,628 --> 00:20:20,028 Speaker 1: about incorporating Ridley into this franchise and onto the field, Kyle, 411 00:20:20,108 --> 00:20:21,708 Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a pretty easy one. 412 00:20:21,788 --> 00:20:23,748 Speaker 1: Quite honestly. I know Calvin. I was there when we 413 00:20:23,868 --> 00:20:27,108 Speaker 1: drafted him at the Atlanta Falcons, and I love this 414 00:20:27,228 --> 00:20:29,948 Speaker 1: young man. He is such a good person and a 415 00:20:30,068 --> 00:20:32,828 Speaker 1: good player. So I really think that the Jaguars got 416 00:20:32,868 --> 00:20:35,548 Speaker 1: a complete steel here. They don't have to do much 417 00:20:35,548 --> 00:20:37,508 Speaker 1: to get him ready. All he needs to all he 418 00:20:37,588 --> 00:20:39,188 Speaker 1: needs to do is show up and start working with 419 00:20:39,268 --> 00:20:42,628 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, get himself integrated into that locker room, which 420 00:20:42,668 --> 00:20:44,828 Speaker 1: won't be difficult because of the person he is, because 421 00:20:44,868 --> 00:20:46,948 Speaker 1: of the worker he is, And this is going to 422 00:20:47,108 --> 00:20:49,388 Speaker 1: end up being a steel, I believe. But I also 423 00:20:49,468 --> 00:20:52,588 Speaker 1: want to go back, go back to him as a person, 424 00:20:52,708 --> 00:20:54,748 Speaker 1: and again I got to know him, and what I 425 00:20:54,828 --> 00:20:57,828 Speaker 1: really loved about his Reinstate and was that he came 426 00:20:57,908 --> 00:21:00,868 Speaker 1: out and he owned the mistake that he made. And 427 00:21:01,268 --> 00:21:04,628 Speaker 1: Brian Stevenson, who's one of our country's leading civil rights 428 00:21:04,708 --> 00:21:07,508 Speaker 1: Orger has this line where he says, each of us 429 00:21:07,588 --> 00:21:09,748 Speaker 1: is so much more than the worst thing that we've done. 430 00:21:10,348 --> 00:21:12,908 Speaker 1: And I really believe in that statement. And if this 431 00:21:13,068 --> 00:21:15,028 Speaker 1: is the worst thing that Calvin Ridley has done in 432 00:21:15,148 --> 00:21:19,268 Speaker 1: his life, I'm so thankful that he owned it, he 433 00:21:19,468 --> 00:21:21,868 Speaker 1: knows it. He's going to come back, and I think 434 00:21:21,908 --> 00:21:23,708 Speaker 1: he's not only going to be good for the Jaguars. 435 00:21:23,788 --> 00:21:26,348 Speaker 1: I think the Calvin Ridley story and the human being 436 00:21:26,868 --> 00:21:29,188 Speaker 1: is so good for the National Football League. So I 437 00:21:29,268 --> 00:21:32,028 Speaker 1: can't wait to see Calvin and wish him all the best. 438 00:21:37,428 --> 00:21:40,348 Speaker 1: Running backs. The positions a fascinating one when you consider 439 00:21:40,428 --> 00:21:43,588 Speaker 1: where teams draft that position, what they need in terms 440 00:21:43,628 --> 00:21:45,708 Speaker 1: of how running back in their style play, and how 441 00:21:45,748 --> 00:21:48,948 Speaker 1: they fit within your offense. Ten point one million dollars 442 00:21:49,028 --> 00:21:51,628 Speaker 1: is the franchise tag that means the top five pay 443 00:21:52,068 --> 00:21:54,388 Speaker 1: for that position across the league. The NFL running back 444 00:21:54,388 --> 00:21:57,668 Speaker 1: position eron is it being disrespected? Do you think with 445 00:21:57,788 --> 00:22:00,588 Speaker 1: all these franchise tags going around, And my honest opinion, 446 00:22:00,628 --> 00:22:03,668 Speaker 1: I think it is. Our cap is even with the 447 00:22:03,708 --> 00:22:06,388 Speaker 1: cap being temple and one is the lowest at any position. 448 00:22:07,628 --> 00:22:09,588 Speaker 1: We do so much on the field. I feel like 449 00:22:09,628 --> 00:22:11,468 Speaker 1: we're one of the most versatile positions. You've got to 450 00:22:11,508 --> 00:22:15,068 Speaker 1: know the pass protection, what everything that the offensive line 451 00:22:15,108 --> 00:22:17,148 Speaker 1: knows in the run game as well. You got to 452 00:22:17,188 --> 00:22:19,988 Speaker 1: know the olon calls. You got to know the concepts 453 00:22:20,028 --> 00:22:23,548 Speaker 1: to passing concepts from out wide or in the backfield, 454 00:22:23,908 --> 00:22:25,868 Speaker 1: and then pass protection, you got to be able to 455 00:22:25,908 --> 00:22:27,468 Speaker 1: protect the quarterback. So I'll just feel like it's so 456 00:22:27,588 --> 00:22:29,188 Speaker 1: much you have to do on the field and run 457 00:22:29,228 --> 00:22:32,748 Speaker 1: the ball. I forgot that casual, but you have to 458 00:22:32,828 --> 00:22:34,828 Speaker 1: do so much on the field. I think the only 459 00:22:34,908 --> 00:22:39,068 Speaker 1: person who knows more is honestly the quarterback. So you know, 460 00:22:39,628 --> 00:22:42,748 Speaker 1: if you type Aaron Jones into the gift search on 461 00:22:42,868 --> 00:22:44,748 Speaker 1: social media, the first gift that comes up is you 462 00:22:44,828 --> 00:22:48,108 Speaker 1: literally waving at the Cowboys as you're right. I bring 463 00:22:48,188 --> 00:22:49,548 Speaker 1: it up because the Cowboys are in the news. We 464 00:22:49,628 --> 00:22:51,788 Speaker 1: just talked about Tony Pollard. What do you make of them? 465 00:22:52,068 --> 00:22:55,988 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard franchise tags about ten million? Ezekiel Elliott makes 466 00:22:56,028 --> 00:22:58,508 Speaker 1: a ton of money long term contract. When you see 467 00:22:58,548 --> 00:23:01,548 Speaker 1: that Tony Pollard great Young Player franchise tag, how does 468 00:23:01,588 --> 00:23:04,628 Speaker 1: that make you feel? Um? It hurts you know a 469 00:23:04,668 --> 00:23:07,388 Speaker 1: little bit? Is it for Tony poly He deserves to 470 00:23:07,428 --> 00:23:09,228 Speaker 1: get paid. That's why I'm glad he's getting the ten 471 00:23:09,308 --> 00:23:11,388 Speaker 1: point one, but you would love to see it in 472 00:23:11,468 --> 00:23:13,228 Speaker 1: a contract where he gets some of that money upfront, 473 00:23:13,228 --> 00:23:16,108 Speaker 1: because he's earned it, he deserves it. He's done the 474 00:23:16,228 --> 00:23:18,348 Speaker 1: most he could with every opportunity he's gotten, and he 475 00:23:18,428 --> 00:23:20,308 Speaker 1: made it. He made it hard on them. So as 476 00:23:20,388 --> 00:23:22,068 Speaker 1: an athlete, I feel like that's what you're supposed to do. 477 00:23:22,108 --> 00:23:24,748 Speaker 1: Make it a hard decision for them. He just got it, 478 00:23:24,828 --> 00:23:27,068 Speaker 1: has to keep going and hopefully, like they said, they 479 00:23:27,068 --> 00:23:28,828 Speaker 1: can get a deal done for him. It's tough because 480 00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:30,268 Speaker 1: let's say you're one of these gems or one of 481 00:23:30,308 --> 00:23:32,028 Speaker 1: those guys who manages the money, and you look at 482 00:23:32,108 --> 00:23:35,228 Speaker 1: someone like sa Quon or Josh Jacobs, you're like, all right, 483 00:23:35,268 --> 00:23:37,228 Speaker 1: well we like them, we want to have him here. 484 00:23:37,428 --> 00:23:39,628 Speaker 1: They're gonna be really expensive. We could pay them a 485 00:23:39,668 --> 00:23:43,428 Speaker 1: bunch of money. Or look at these free agent running 486 00:23:43,428 --> 00:23:45,628 Speaker 1: backs that are just this year right now, These are 487 00:23:45,668 --> 00:23:48,508 Speaker 1: not tagged. He's the guys, and take squan out of him. 488 00:23:49,148 --> 00:23:51,108 Speaker 1: Your guy Jamals when he made last year three eight 489 00:23:51,508 --> 00:23:55,348 Speaker 1: a lot of production. David Montgomery, really hard runner, Devin Singletary, 490 00:23:55,548 --> 00:23:57,028 Speaker 1: you go all the way down to where he most 491 00:23:57,068 --> 00:24:00,548 Speaker 1: at Alexander Madison, where these are good, good players for 492 00:24:01,068 --> 00:24:03,988 Speaker 1: very affordable prices. So you're like, do I want to 493 00:24:04,028 --> 00:24:05,908 Speaker 1: pay take on all that money, or maybe I'll bring 494 00:24:05,948 --> 00:24:08,548 Speaker 1: in Damien Harris for like a fraction of it and 495 00:24:08,628 --> 00:24:10,788 Speaker 1: we'll move the chain is the same way. That's the 496 00:24:10,948 --> 00:24:13,828 Speaker 1: disrespect is that the famous guys, and even never mind famous, 497 00:24:13,988 --> 00:24:17,708 Speaker 1: just productive guys don't get the big contracts because frankly, 498 00:24:17,868 --> 00:24:20,348 Speaker 1: there's cheap labor sitting there to bring it in and 499 00:24:20,508 --> 00:24:23,988 Speaker 1: maybe give even similar results. It's tough man, right, yeah, 500 00:24:24,108 --> 00:24:26,108 Speaker 1: similar results, but not the same. I feel like there's 501 00:24:26,108 --> 00:24:28,988 Speaker 1: a difference between good, great, and elite and some of 502 00:24:28,988 --> 00:24:30,948 Speaker 1: these guys that's what you're getting. You're getting elite back 503 00:24:30,988 --> 00:24:33,268 Speaker 1: who can change the dynamic of your team, not just 504 00:24:33,468 --> 00:24:36,028 Speaker 1: in catching, not just in running the ball, but catching 505 00:24:36,068 --> 00:24:37,868 Speaker 1: the ball and pass protection. Guys who never have to 506 00:24:37,908 --> 00:24:40,508 Speaker 1: come off the field, things like that. Speaking of elite, 507 00:24:40,588 --> 00:24:42,348 Speaker 1: we have an elite running back here, you do, one 508 00:24:42,348 --> 00:24:44,908 Speaker 1: of the most productive running backs in the league. And 509 00:24:45,468 --> 00:24:48,308 Speaker 1: when I hear this topic, I think of your situation. 510 00:24:48,508 --> 00:24:51,068 Speaker 1: You know, you just had a career high and rushing 511 00:24:51,268 --> 00:24:54,628 Speaker 1: played all seventeen games, your third thousand yard season as 512 00:24:54,708 --> 00:24:58,828 Speaker 1: four years. You know, these are accolades, right, you were 513 00:24:58,908 --> 00:25:00,588 Speaker 1: one of the best running backs in the game. But 514 00:25:00,708 --> 00:25:03,108 Speaker 1: yet I saw a headline earlier this season that you 515 00:25:03,228 --> 00:25:05,548 Speaker 1: have to take a paid cut. You know, not you know, 516 00:25:05,628 --> 00:25:09,108 Speaker 1: it's still a raise on which you because it's like, yeah, 517 00:25:09,108 --> 00:25:11,428 Speaker 1: like I said, like you said, but what other position 518 00:25:11,908 --> 00:25:14,028 Speaker 1: in the league? You know? Now, you're said to make 519 00:25:14,068 --> 00:25:16,068 Speaker 1: eleven million this year. It was supposed to be sixteen 520 00:25:16,108 --> 00:25:18,388 Speaker 1: on paper, But what other position in the league do 521 00:25:18,468 --> 00:25:21,268 Speaker 1: you have your prime, your peak and you have to 522 00:25:21,868 --> 00:25:24,948 Speaker 1: take less because of the supply and demand of the position. 523 00:25:25,908 --> 00:25:30,628 Speaker 1: I don't think too many, too many positions can recall 524 00:25:30,708 --> 00:25:33,268 Speaker 1: in Green Bay. I think uh Randall Cop took a 525 00:25:33,348 --> 00:25:37,028 Speaker 1: pay cut. Preston Smith did did as well. Preston shut 526 00:25:37,028 --> 00:25:38,788 Speaker 1: out to the freshman because that was when I got 527 00:25:38,908 --> 00:25:41,948 Speaker 1: my second contract when he took one. So nice, he 528 00:25:42,068 --> 00:25:44,948 Speaker 1: knows that he's my guy forever for that. But h 529 00:25:45,748 --> 00:25:48,908 Speaker 1: I see my teammates do it and how they're not 530 00:25:49,028 --> 00:25:51,148 Speaker 1: selfish about other guys getting paid and how that can 531 00:25:51,228 --> 00:25:54,268 Speaker 1: help us, And so I took that same route, and 532 00:25:54,428 --> 00:25:56,028 Speaker 1: I want to be I want to be in Green Bay. 533 00:25:56,388 --> 00:25:59,628 Speaker 1: I love that team love, my teammates, loved the coaching staff, 534 00:25:59,948 --> 00:26:02,628 Speaker 1: everything about it. And the fans. We got the best fans. 535 00:26:02,708 --> 00:26:04,428 Speaker 1: So yeah, I didn't want to go anywhere. But like 536 00:26:04,508 --> 00:26:06,348 Speaker 1: you said to me, it's not a pay cut. I've 537 00:26:06,348 --> 00:26:08,868 Speaker 1: never made sixteen million. This is the most we'll ever 538 00:26:09,228 --> 00:26:11,148 Speaker 1: not we'll ever make, but the most I've made so 539 00:26:11,268 --> 00:26:14,508 Speaker 1: far up to now. But like you said, it is 540 00:26:14,668 --> 00:26:18,668 Speaker 1: a position that you see probably take the most pay cuts. Absolutely, 541 00:26:18,708 --> 00:26:21,668 Speaker 1: and you mentioned it earlier. You guys touch the pass 542 00:26:21,788 --> 00:26:26,708 Speaker 1: game as past blockers run blocking and as you know receivers, 543 00:26:26,748 --> 00:26:28,908 Speaker 1: and so you see it even in the coaching realms. 544 00:26:28,908 --> 00:26:30,348 Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of running back coaches. That's 545 00:26:30,388 --> 00:26:33,668 Speaker 1: the hardest position to be able to advance to offensive 546 00:26:33,748 --> 00:26:36,308 Speaker 1: coordinate or a head coach position. And so it seems overall, 547 00:26:36,668 --> 00:26:39,308 Speaker 1: maybe you don't get enough credit for the intelligence and 548 00:26:39,388 --> 00:26:41,948 Speaker 1: the importance you guys have on the game. And maybe 549 00:26:42,028 --> 00:26:45,028 Speaker 1: as that position gets more and more devalued, younger kids 550 00:26:45,388 --> 00:26:47,948 Speaker 1: don't play that position, and it comes a cycle and 551 00:26:48,068 --> 00:26:51,108 Speaker 1: maybe eventually the next generation the running back position will 552 00:26:51,148 --> 00:26:53,708 Speaker 1: be back in demand. Who knows, go ahead, Oh sorry, 553 00:26:53,708 --> 00:26:55,668 Speaker 1: And that's what I'm hoping that the value of the 554 00:26:55,748 --> 00:26:58,948 Speaker 1: running back position comes back up, and even with me 555 00:26:59,068 --> 00:27:01,588 Speaker 1: taking that paycut, of still right as right now on 556 00:27:01,628 --> 00:27:04,188 Speaker 1: the second highest pay back on a per year basis, 557 00:27:04,228 --> 00:27:08,548 Speaker 1: with Christian mccash sorry Christian McCaffrey being number one. But 558 00:27:08,708 --> 00:27:10,468 Speaker 1: I just hope the value does come back. You just 559 00:27:10,548 --> 00:27:12,228 Speaker 1: hate to see it because it's an indictment on the 560 00:27:12,308 --> 00:27:14,868 Speaker 1: longevity of the position and because of everything that you 561 00:27:14,908 --> 00:27:16,668 Speaker 1: guys have to do. It's just the careers are so 562 00:27:16,788 --> 00:27:18,548 Speaker 1: much shorter, which is really hard to watch because it's 563 00:27:18,588 --> 00:27:20,148 Speaker 1: some of your favorite guys in the league. Let me 564 00:27:20,188 --> 00:27:22,628 Speaker 1: ask you about the brotherhood of the position though, because 565 00:27:22,828 --> 00:27:25,508 Speaker 1: you see that graphic with a Damien Harris or Alexander 566 00:27:25,588 --> 00:27:27,788 Speaker 1: Madison and they're pacing, well, not the Patriots as much, 567 00:27:27,828 --> 00:27:30,028 Speaker 1: but Madison's pacing Dalvin Cook and what he's doing for 568 00:27:30,068 --> 00:27:32,748 Speaker 1: the Vikings when workies come in, when you see them 569 00:27:32,788 --> 00:27:36,108 Speaker 1: performing the combine is their division amongst running backs, Like 570 00:27:36,188 --> 00:27:37,948 Speaker 1: you kind of look at a younger guy and you're like, oh, 571 00:27:38,028 --> 00:27:40,308 Speaker 1: you're bothering me because I know you're nipping at my heels, 572 00:27:40,468 --> 00:27:42,428 Speaker 1: or are you trying to come together and be like, 573 00:27:42,548 --> 00:27:45,308 Speaker 1: let's go, let's try to make our value greater. It's 574 00:27:45,348 --> 00:27:47,308 Speaker 1: like a fraternity. You guys all come together and you 575 00:27:47,388 --> 00:27:49,108 Speaker 1: guys support each other. You guys want to see each 576 00:27:49,108 --> 00:27:51,868 Speaker 1: other win. And that's the great thing about football. It's 577 00:27:51,948 --> 00:27:55,148 Speaker 1: one big brotherhood and that's the fun thing about it. 578 00:27:55,468 --> 00:27:57,948 Speaker 1: So is of course you at the end of the day, 579 00:27:57,988 --> 00:27:59,748 Speaker 1: you want to be the best and you want to 580 00:27:59,788 --> 00:28:02,268 Speaker 1: go out on top. But in the midst of that 581 00:28:02,348 --> 00:28:04,868 Speaker 1: you make lifelong brothers that you get to compeat against it. 582 00:28:04,948 --> 00:28:07,028 Speaker 1: And I feel like iron sharpens iron and Aaron, you 583 00:28:07,108 --> 00:28:09,468 Speaker 1: had your own situation a few years ago. The Packers 584 00:28:09,588 --> 00:28:12,108 Speaker 1: drafted Aj Dillon, and you could have let that bother you, 585 00:28:12,228 --> 00:28:15,028 Speaker 1: you still bawled out what was the dynamic of that 586 00:28:15,228 --> 00:28:18,188 Speaker 1: relationship and maybe how you guys, you know, became a 587 00:28:18,268 --> 00:28:21,828 Speaker 1: tandem that sit well together. So I got to learn 588 00:28:21,948 --> 00:28:24,068 Speaker 1: to work with other backs, and me and Jamal when 589 00:28:24,068 --> 00:28:26,868 Speaker 1: we were first there, and Aj came in and me 590 00:28:26,988 --> 00:28:29,108 Speaker 1: and me and Jamal's fourth years, so he got to 591 00:28:29,188 --> 00:28:32,748 Speaker 1: see kind of our dynamic and how we weren't compete. 592 00:28:32,788 --> 00:28:35,108 Speaker 1: We are compete against each other, but at the same time, 593 00:28:35,148 --> 00:28:37,148 Speaker 1: we're here to make each other better, bring out the 594 00:28:37,188 --> 00:28:39,748 Speaker 1: best in each other. And when you go make a play, 595 00:28:40,188 --> 00:28:41,748 Speaker 1: now he's gonna come to the sighline and turn me 596 00:28:41,828 --> 00:28:42,908 Speaker 1: up after he makes a play, and he's like, what 597 00:28:42,948 --> 00:28:44,508 Speaker 1: you're gonna do now, you got to go make a play. 598 00:28:44,868 --> 00:28:47,668 Speaker 1: Things like that. So when it came natural for me 599 00:28:47,748 --> 00:28:49,668 Speaker 1: and Aj, just I feel like because he's seen that, 600 00:28:49,828 --> 00:28:51,908 Speaker 1: and then just the kind of person that Aj is, 601 00:28:51,948 --> 00:28:54,108 Speaker 1: he's a great human being, And like I said, we 602 00:28:54,228 --> 00:28:56,308 Speaker 1: have both the same vision. We want to see each 603 00:28:56,308 --> 00:28:58,588 Speaker 1: other and win and succeed on and off the field 604 00:28:58,668 --> 00:29:01,628 Speaker 1: because we know it's only going to help each other. 605 00:29:01,988 --> 00:29:03,908 Speaker 1: So we saw it this year in Dallas. You know, 606 00:29:04,108 --> 00:29:06,348 Speaker 1: Zeke was out a couple of games, and Tony Pollard 607 00:29:06,428 --> 00:29:08,948 Speaker 1: like he's thrilled for him when he paces off a 608 00:29:09,028 --> 00:29:12,228 Speaker 1: couple of runs. Kyle, does the Cowboys running back situation 609 00:29:12,708 --> 00:29:17,308 Speaker 1: make you frustrated the soft season because you want more 610 00:29:17,388 --> 00:29:19,708 Speaker 1: for Tony Pollard? Or is it because you just don't 611 00:29:19,828 --> 00:29:22,788 Speaker 1: like how the money is being spent with Ezekiel Elliott? Well, 612 00:29:22,788 --> 00:29:24,988 Speaker 1: it's a great question because it's exactly what we're talking about. 613 00:29:25,028 --> 00:29:27,348 Speaker 1: Do you extend these running backs? Ezekiel anything to go 614 00:29:27,428 --> 00:29:29,748 Speaker 1: back several years, held out he was in Mexico. He 615 00:29:29,828 --> 00:29:31,508 Speaker 1: was not coming to any of the exercises and he 616 00:29:31,588 --> 00:29:33,348 Speaker 1: wanted to be paid and they're working to pay him, 617 00:29:33,748 --> 00:29:35,788 Speaker 1: and then the Jones boys finally just broke and said, 618 00:29:35,828 --> 00:29:37,188 Speaker 1: you know what we want you here. You jumped into 619 00:29:37,228 --> 00:29:39,028 Speaker 1: kettle once and you're really good running backs. We're gonna 620 00:29:39,028 --> 00:29:41,628 Speaker 1: spend a ton of money. And that contract has not 621 00:29:41,748 --> 00:29:44,348 Speaker 1: aged well. And if you watch them, so never mind 622 00:29:44,388 --> 00:29:46,188 Speaker 1: that we've done enough time on that. When you look 623 00:29:46,228 --> 00:29:49,268 Speaker 1: at a Josh Jacobs, now, yeah, let's pay him because 624 00:29:49,308 --> 00:29:51,748 Speaker 1: he led the league in rushing as the Raiders. You know, 625 00:29:51,788 --> 00:29:54,228 Speaker 1: I turned on the Super Bowl and there's this rookie 626 00:29:54,268 --> 00:29:56,108 Speaker 1: from the seventh round doing a dance in the end 627 00:29:56,188 --> 00:29:59,668 Speaker 1: zone making peanuts. Isaiah Pacheco we got the fifth round, 628 00:29:59,828 --> 00:30:01,868 Speaker 1: is coming out of u tap showing up making plays like. 629 00:30:02,228 --> 00:30:05,068 Speaker 1: It's cheap guys. And I'm not saying it's it's my 630 00:30:05,108 --> 00:30:07,468 Speaker 1: favorite position in the game. I love running backs, but 631 00:30:07,588 --> 00:30:10,148 Speaker 1: the game's changed. You get cheap ones, you get rookies, 632 00:30:10,188 --> 00:30:12,188 Speaker 1: you get and it's the days of well, I leve 633 00:30:12,188 --> 00:30:14,028 Speaker 1: the league Russian, so I'm gonna name my price. Ema 634 00:30:14,068 --> 00:30:16,148 Speaker 1: Smith is not walking through that door anymore. It's tough 635 00:30:16,348 --> 00:30:19,028 Speaker 1: and there's only a few and it's you it's Christian 636 00:30:19,068 --> 00:30:21,348 Speaker 1: and it's Derek, and like, unless you have a real 637 00:30:21,508 --> 00:30:24,548 Speaker 1: special anomaly, there's another guy who's gonna do it for 638 00:30:24,668 --> 00:30:26,708 Speaker 1: one eighth of the price and price and probably do 639 00:30:26,748 --> 00:30:28,908 Speaker 1: it pretty well. It's tough, and sadly no longer are 640 00:30:29,108 --> 00:30:32,788 Speaker 1: like the Titans are reportedly shopping Derrick Henry so now 641 00:30:33,068 --> 00:30:34,788 Speaker 1: it's like they don't even want to make him like 642 00:30:34,868 --> 00:30:37,468 Speaker 1: the namesake of their offense anymore. If that's what we're hearing, 643 00:30:37,508 --> 00:30:39,148 Speaker 1: and if that's going to pan out that way, it's 644 00:30:39,188 --> 00:30:41,388 Speaker 1: interesting to have heard that name. See that Bijean out there. 645 00:30:41,468 --> 00:30:43,548 Speaker 1: He can run cheap. Think it helps to be able 646 00:30:43,548 --> 00:30:45,188 Speaker 1: to catch the ball out of the backfield. Two more, 647 00:30:45,268 --> 00:30:46,948 Speaker 1: the more you can do, the more value you bring.