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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. You all ready,

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Speaker 1: I hope the Juggals Well, here we go.

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Speaker 2: Suprema Shut Shut Supremo, Roll Call, Suprema Shut Shut Supremo,

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Speaker 2: Roll Call, Suprema Shut su Supremo, Roll Supriva, Suck Up

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Speaker 2: Supremo roll.

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Speaker 3: Some say I exaggerate, some say hyperbolic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talking to one of my favorite comedian actors from

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Speaker 1: Workaholics Supremo, Roll Call, Supremo, Suck Suck Supremo.

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Speaker 4: Call My name is Fante, Yeah, and I'm feeling free.

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Speaker 4: My favorite songs about Jane si ep M d Oh.

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Speaker 2: Car Supprima Supremo, roll Call, Suprema Sun Sun Supremo, Roll Call.

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Speaker 1: My name is Sugar.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: When I was thirteen, Yeah, my bar mitzvah was filled

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Speaker 6: Yeah with Adam Levine.

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Speaker 1: Roll Breva Supremo, roll paid Bill. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Perhaps you've heard Yeah why Questlove. Yeah, dressed like big bird.

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Speaker 5: Roll Supremo roll It's like yeah, and isn't me?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Adam's here, Yeah, and it's hard to breathe.

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Speaker 2: Sub So Supremo, Roll Supremo, Supremo, Roll Call.

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Speaker 9: My name is Adam. Yeah, I'd like to go Adam yeah,

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Speaker 9: I want it hits Yeah, yeah, I got him.

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Speaker 1: Broad roll.

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Speaker 7: Roll soun sun.

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Speaker 8: Up son.

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Speaker 1: Was good.

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Speaker 9: That was.

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Speaker 1: Straight up and then I let it go. Steve, you

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Speaker 1: should leave it. I'm sorry, Stevie one.

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Speaker 8: That was amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm in big Bird move right now? You look

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Speaker 1: so yeah. In case you guys missed, I don't know

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Speaker 1: where this episode will fall, but after Wayne Brady episode

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Speaker 1: of inspiring him rocking is mo hair. I have an

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Speaker 1: entire mohair section, which I don't like wearing this because

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Speaker 1: of course you do this tends they also.

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Speaker 3: Getting the food you eat. So the most beat boxing

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Speaker 3: I do is via when the sweater the other ones

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Speaker 3: go on.

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Speaker 9: So you look great, but yeah, fantastic, smell great.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate great smell, great smoking talk about yeah, walked

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Speaker 1: down like damn. All right, So this is Quest Love

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Speaker 1: Supreme and your host Quest Love Team Supremes in the house.

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Speaker 3: We are in person.

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Speaker 1: I hate the fact that even when we're in person,

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Speaker 1: it feels like a special episode. Yeah, like I feel

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Speaker 1: like we had our live soul train period and now

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Speaker 1: like we're established, we're just all zoom lip sync and

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Speaker 1: you know these are foreign few between, but not today.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy these. It's good to see you counting that

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Speaker 1: money studios, the audience where we live from that money.

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Speaker 8: We're really in c that's what.

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Speaker 1: Stand for, that of money, counting money. It does now,

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Speaker 1: good to see you guys.

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Speaker 3: Everything is fine, great, all right, No one's going out

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Speaker 3: for cigarettes.

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Speaker 1: Our guest today, I guess for the last quarter of century,

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Speaker 1: our guest today, even before that. You know, our three

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Speaker 1: times Grammy Award winning guests are one hundred million unit

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Speaker 1: selling guests. That's a lot of well. PJ.

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Speaker 10: Morton's here, he hasn't sold as many units, but our

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Speaker 10: guests and its incredible band Room five, and then you

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Speaker 10: know part of our our soundtrack, uh and plus the

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Speaker 10: way they effortlessly blend pop music and soul music and

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Speaker 10: funk and all various styles of music.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, I will say beyond a force to be reckoned

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Speaker 1: with just a damn good band. You know, I know

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Speaker 1: you made it. I fell into you, guys the same

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Speaker 1: way that Prince fell into DiAngelo. When you can't get

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Speaker 1: in an event like I've heard of the name of

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Speaker 1: Room five whatever. It's like when you guys came out

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Speaker 1: early and you were playing a club in La and

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Speaker 1: that was the first time where I realized like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this might be a new it might be a new day,

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Speaker 1: because like I just walked in, like Chris Rock always

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Speaker 1: bet and you always get let in.

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Speaker 9: Let me say, if if I had known that you

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Speaker 9: were trying to get into our show at that point

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Speaker 9: and couldn't, I would have lost my fucking mind.

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Speaker 1: No, but it was just no one could get in.

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Speaker 1: It was you know when an artists want to do

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Speaker 1: that cut thing where they like get the small and

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Speaker 1: we do it too. That jam session we used to

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Speaker 1: have in LA we were.

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Speaker 9: Purposely want people not to be able to get in,

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Speaker 9: right people not not you, but like most people know no.

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Speaker 1: But that's the legend of it. It was one time

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Speaker 1: we did a jam session with Lenny Kravitz, and Lenny

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Speaker 1: Kravitz could not get into La. Yes, And there was

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Speaker 1: one point where it was just like a mere what

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Speaker 1: if we lose the horn section, like trade the band

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Speaker 1: then I was like, Okay, that's very LA. These guys

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Speaker 8: A roots jam session that would have been.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know we played together before, but Fallon besides

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Speaker 1: Fallen that, yeah, that was the only time, well, the

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Speaker 1: first time we really did it was a fallen along

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Speaker 1: a million years ago.

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Speaker 9: But I felt like we do you remember that? There's

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Speaker 9: a lot about that day that was very faithful for me.

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Speaker 9: But do you remember when de Snyder like went at

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Speaker 9: me for like no reason? Remember why? That's I don't

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Speaker 9: really well, I know, to be totally fair, like I

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Speaker 9: don't fully remember. I kind of blacked out, Like I

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Speaker 9: don't remember the whole thing because I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: That's how you know you made it? Yeah, Like I was.

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Speaker 9: I was doing with you guys. We were singing songs,

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Speaker 9: and I was just like on the sideline. So like

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Speaker 9: it was weird because and it was really early in

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Speaker 9: a guest on the show, and I don't know, couch guest.

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Speaker 9: He was a couch guest. It's not gonna be a

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Speaker 9: great story because don't remember exactly what he said, but

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Speaker 9: he like went at me for no reason, like and

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Speaker 9: somehow and I kind of stood up for myself, and

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Speaker 9: I think that was like he was like, oh ship,

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Speaker 7: You weren't going to take it.

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Speaker 9: I don't remember, you're pushing your luck, just being.

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Speaker 1: You should get the fun out of here. What can

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Speaker 1: I say? I want to rock, dude. I totally forgot

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was just a part of the whole thing

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Speaker 9: a little. But I couldn't believe he really like, I

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Speaker 9: wish I remember what he said. I wish I had

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Speaker 9: or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Is there any truth to the rumor back when guests

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Speaker 1: were allowed to sit in with the Roots either, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a way to double down on it.

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Speaker 1: Instead of being an actual music guest on the show,

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Speaker 1: you could just play with the Roots doing the commercial

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Speaker 1: bumpers and that ended weird enough after it'll fade it

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Speaker 1: you got episode. Oh No, here's the thing. I love

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Speaker 1: the Citzens. I love the Citzens when I'm really like

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Speaker 1: at one with the guests. But then there's always like

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Speaker 1: maybe eight or nine guests that are either kind of

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Speaker 1: switch baits for publicists. So when you got sat in

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Speaker 1: with us to promote his book, you got thought he

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Speaker 1: was also going to be a couch guest. Oh so

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Speaker 1: you know, he did the old thing like Jimmy does

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Speaker 1: and tell me you got from Wu Tang clan. You

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Speaker 1: go with this. And sure enough, Jimmy, he could have

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Speaker 1: for like two segments as wow, wow, wow, okay.

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Speaker 3: But we were so happy because I was like, yo,

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Speaker 3: I bet you it's gonna be a never give moment.

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Speaker 1: Sure enough, never again. So it's clips well, yeah, so

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Speaker 1: too artists. So artists always asked me, can I sit

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Speaker 9: Y'all?

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Speaker 1: Sorry dog like you got.

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Speaker 9: But for you when you.

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Speaker 1: Sat in with us.

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Speaker 3: Is it true that the producer of like he saw

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Speaker 9: I guess that's what they told me they saw it.

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Speaker 9: And then I think part of it though, also was

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Speaker 9: the interaction with what Jimmy with Jimmy comedic and it

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Speaker 9: and so I think that was what they saw too,

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Speaker 9: is that, you know, me obviously standing up for myself

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Speaker 1: Of a voice.

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Speaker 8: Before the voice, that's what you're saying.

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Speaker 9: We were all kind of rapping and it was like, okay, cool,

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Speaker 9: you can handle both, right, And so I think that's

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Speaker 1: Great greatness came from that.

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Speaker 6: I probably have the the rehearsals from that day from

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we have all the records.

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Speaker 9: Probably by the way, that was an education. Sitting in

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Speaker 1: Wait, can I say your name first on our show? Yes? Okay,

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Speaker 1: sitting in with you guys talk about that.

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Speaker 9: It was just so fast because they move so fast, right,

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Speaker 9: so you're like, you know, we take it to the band.

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Speaker 9: We barely practice, like I know, but you guys, but

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Speaker 9: you guys practice while you're doing while you're performing. You

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Speaker 9: it's crazy to see.

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Speaker 1: But that's the thing. I don't say this much because

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Speaker 1: I don't know how Jimmy feels about it, because I

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Speaker 1: don't want him to feel like this is just like

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Speaker 1: a dismissive statement. But for me, us doing that show

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Speaker 1: is us going to the gym. Yeah, we've never practiced

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Speaker 1: as a band. We've even that time when we really

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Speaker 1: only had like maybe seven of those in our entire

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Speaker 1: thirty year existence because.

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Speaker 9: And they're painful when you do have to do them.

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Speaker 9: I don't like to do it, Like it's not fun

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Speaker 9: to practice.

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Speaker 6: Well, Amir, do rehearse quite a bit for special event concerts.

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Speaker 1: Since two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 3: But that's the thing, that's ten years.

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Speaker 1: So you were there. You were there for the first week.

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Speaker 1: Remember the first weeks of us figuring out like what

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Speaker 1: this new life is. We didn't hit a note until

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Speaker 1: hallway to call Rich and I was like, Yo, what

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Speaker 1: do we do? And He's like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: What you do? Just start rehearsing and to sit there

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Speaker 1: and rehearse to me was like it was the hardest thing.

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Speaker 9: You got its crazy. It's a whole different world than.

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Speaker 1: In seventy seven, Cat Stevens had a synthesizer endorsement deal

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Speaker 9: But who's about right now, Steve?

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Speaker 1: This is dog was a donut by uh okay, yeah right,

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Speaker 8: Adams, Like, where do we start with this?

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Speaker 1: That's not cast it is because he contractually had to

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Speaker 9: Like that's a weird contractualgat in nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 9: He had a foot in that door already though that

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Speaker 9: the cat Stephen sh is crazy. Yeah, I never heard

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Speaker 1: I didn't know, right, none of us knew what was him.

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Speaker 9: You've got to get this.

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Speaker 1: So this this is the B side of Electric Avenue.

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Speaker 1: So Eddie Grant wanted.

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Speaker 7: To come and do work.

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Speaker 1: I just came back. We got full circle. I'm there.

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Speaker 3: I'm very focused in the morning, and now the show's over.

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Speaker 9: Thank you very much, Eddie Grant.

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Speaker 3: Really anyway, so you loved Electric Gavenue.

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Speaker 9: He came up and wanted to do the B side. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy is always watching the music guests from his dressing

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Speaker 1: Jimmy ran in and it was like, guys, no, I

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Speaker 9: Oh god, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's hard when that's like we.

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Speaker 1: Had, right, We had to wrestle them out of that

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Speaker 6: You guys had already like sampled all the weird little samples.

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Speaker 3: In all the little all those little stuff Burbson's frame.

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Speaker 7: Its like Ray Parker not doing Ghostbusters some ship like that.

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Speaker 6: True, yeah's true, So Huey lewis not doing Ghostbusters.

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Speaker 1: Ray Parker. And only because how come no one has

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Speaker 8: The Adam you didn't know you was coming to class today?

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Speaker 8: Of course we don't exactly, of course we don't.

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Speaker 1: Don't. This is Ghostbusters for real. It is well, no,

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Speaker 9: Someone came in and was like something strange.

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Speaker 1: But what's really hot about it is that the Barks

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Speaker 9: H that was a beautiful tangent.

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Speaker 1: But but that's what this show love that. I love

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Speaker 3: The Blank I was talking about.

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Speaker 9: Come on, kids, I know we were supposed to hate

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Speaker 9: He didn't do anything else. But yet, never forget it.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching a whole slew a Verdeing White. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: Verdie White just did right a four minute one note thing,

440
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Speaker 1: and I thought it was the greatest shit on it.

441
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Speaker 9: But for the record that that sounds way doper than

442
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Speaker 9: what I'm talking about. It was too long, you know,

443
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Speaker 9: how long was It seemed like an eternity it was,

444
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Speaker 9: And I was so young for me to think it

445
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 9: was lame was crazy, like play the drums, please do something.

446
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 9: But yes, the showmanship. Of course, the showmanship has a

447
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 9: part of it, and it was like I'm still talking

448
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Speaker 9: about it thirty million years later, right, had an impact?

449
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Speaker 1: Well, see, I didn't put myself in the corner because

450
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: every gospel drummer thinks like I trashed there. Look Mino

451
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: hands method that now I feel like I can't even

452
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Speaker 1: go there. And then of course Chris Dave has his

453
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Speaker 1: his eccentric thing with every drummer following his thing. So

454
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Speaker 1: now it's like, even if I wanted to get back

455
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Speaker 1: into go to showman, that's basically why stroves here. Like

456
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Speaker 1: I'm feel like.

457
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Speaker 5: Anderson kills it too on of them drums, the way

458
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Speaker 5: he gets up and does his little theatrics too.

459
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Speaker 1: I gotta bring theatrics back, all right, my my ike

460
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Speaker 1: turning wig.

461
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Speaker 6: It's a really good question for both of you, is

462
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Speaker 6: like in your situations and anybody entertainment, I guess how

463
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Speaker 6: much to what that mix is between showmanship and sh musicianship.

464
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I overthink it. I mean for me because Kirk

465
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Speaker 1: as a guitar player, so theatrical i'd rather and you

466
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Speaker 1: know right, but it's it's just like everyone else is

467
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: so theatrical. I don't feel the need to just add

468
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Speaker 1: on top of like people know I'm there and I'm

469
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: fine with that. So basically, but as.

470
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Speaker 6: A band, you're blending showmanship and musicianship too as a whole.

471
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Speaker 1: I think we're at our best when we're not doing

472
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Speaker 1: shit and we're all just playing together as a unit,

473
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Speaker 1: which is not as impressive as says.

474
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Speaker 9: You asked for a minute. But I think what makes

475
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 9: you so special is that you don't have that. You

476
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 9: don't know what I don't do. You want to take

477
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 9: the extreme opposite of the dude I'm talking about this

478
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 9: ship like he needed.

479
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Speaker 5: That, so you too add him to question that that

480
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 5: Steve asked, right, like, how do you figure that balance out?

481
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Speaker 9: What's crazy is like the showmanship thing is always felt

482
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 9: kind of secondary because and we've existed in a weird

483
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 9: space where like there's a lot of pop pop stuff

484
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 9: and we're a band, so like, at at the end

485
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 9: of the day, we're kind of a very normal, you know,

486
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 9: five piece well now six piece band, and so we've

487
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 9: never felt like we'd actually fit in anywhere, and so

488
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 9: performing has always just been very straightforward for us, Like

489
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 9: the music leads first, a showmanship thing. I'm working on

490
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 9: my whole life, you know, as far as being a

491
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 9: good front man and stuff started when we got James

492
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 9: to play in the band because I needed that. Was

493
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 9: when guys were like, hey, you need to like be

494
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 9: out front and not have to play guitar the whole time.

495
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 9: And James joined them, you know, twenty twenty something years ago,

496
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,959
Speaker 9: so I could focus on doing that. But it's never

497
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 9: been like like a pop star comfortable thing for me

498
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 9: to like perform perform. It's always just like, okay, I'm

499
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Speaker 9: saying I'm up here singing yeah, and then the rest

500
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 9: of it is just kind of naturally came over.

501
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 8: You always felt pop star by accident, Like well.

502
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 9: It's not even necessarily by accidents, but okay, Like the

503
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 9: first time I was on the Voice and we did

504
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 9: a performance, this is a perfect example. They tried to

505
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 9: choreographed me to put me in a spot to go,

506
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 9: and she was like and she God bless her, she

507
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 9: didn't know what to do with me because I was

508
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 9: She's like, okay, and then you're gonna walk over here.

509
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 9: And the director of the show, the choreographer, choreographer, choreographer

510
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 9: sh choreographed for and uh and she and she was

511
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 9: like you okay, So halfway through the song, you're gonna

512
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 9: come and I was like, hey, hey, I don't know.

513
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 9: I don't have the capacity to know or remember that.

514
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 9: So like, yeah, hitting marks and going here and dancing

515
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 9: and all that is always and thank god has always

516
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 9: will be foreign to me because I just.

517
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 8: Like, oh, you don't like to be staged.

518
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm like allergic to it.

519
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: I like that.

520
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 9: I can't I'm popping up out of the floor. And yeah,

521
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 9: but here's the thing.

522
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: Normally, about forty five minutes an hour into the podcast

523
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: we get to this part of the subject. But I'll

524
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: just bring it up now, are you a former reluctant leader?

525
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: Because I also know that to be in your position

526
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: is very awkward because the thing is, I'm assuming that

527
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: this in every group dynamic situation one you're the chosen one,

528
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: more falls on your back. I think we also run

529
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: with this narrative that like, if you're too charismatic or

530
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: two in front or out there, that your credibility, like

531
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: you don't a bunch of me like Wardolphin, the Statler

532
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: people are yeah judging you.

533
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 9: You know how it is you started playing music in

534
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 9: a band and then people emerge and as people come

535
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 9: to the front, and I was always kind of there,

536
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 9: and then I think I always had like a I

537
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 9: would say, if I'm being super honest, like I wanted

538
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 9: to be out front. I wanted to be that guy.

539
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 9: But then the weird thing happened. This is a whole

540
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 9: other tangent. But when I started doing like co writes,

541
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 9: shit up a little. Hey, what the fuck are you doing?

542
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 9: Because this is a band, And so that happened.

543
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: You guys, don't do the equal one fifth one fifth

544
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: one fifth one.

545
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 9: Well, now when you're right, well, here's the well we did.

546
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: We did.

547
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 9: And my whole thing from the beginning was like, so

548
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 9: if you write this, you're part of it. You write this,

549
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 9: you're part of it. But yes, it was it was

550
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 9: always fair. And then the code write start happening, and

551
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 9: that was that was less about money. That was more

552
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 9: about just the soul of a band. And I think

553
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 9: all of our minds potentially being corrupted by the process

554
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 9: of having someone else's ideas come in and and and

555
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 9: uh take over. So that was a controversial moment for

556
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 9: us internally, but then it worked. So then it was like,

557
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 9: I mean, the first code write was moves like Jagger.

558
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: So that was wow.

559
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 9: That was like, oh shit, like maybe we're gonna do

560
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 9: this for a while, you know. And so that was

561
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 9: a negotiation of me being like, hey, it's working. We

562
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 9: got a couple biggies, like, let's just like trust me

563
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 9: and if I see it and if it's not working anymore,

564
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 9: you know, and if whatever I'm doing for us, let

565
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 9: me lead, and if it's not working then then well

566
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 9: and I said this to him straight up, we'll talk

567
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 9: about it, we'll regroup, we'll make things a little more democratic,

568
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 9: but right now, just let me lead and let me

569
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 9: take it. And they were super cool with it because

570
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 9: I was, well, like they were cooler than in the

571
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 9: time that right, But yes, I communicated very like openly

572
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 9: and straightforwardly and they appreciated it. And then we had

573
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 9: like eight in a row, you know, so like they

574
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 9: couldn't really sing yet.

575
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: Right, and that I feel like what you just said

576
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: is actually the most important part, because I'll say, for

577
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now, this is probably the most that

578
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: Taraka and I have ever communicated. And it's it's not

579
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: as awkward as it used to be. You guys will

580
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: grow up and know you have to like, yeah, but

581
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: it's a very scary thing because like I'm very fragile

582
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: with rejection. I work my ass off for like four

583
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: days on that project and be like, what do you think?

584
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's cool, and then like suddenly I started

585
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: giving feelings. So I'm now learning how to and.

586
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 9: Not ego all of it. We all have them, and

587
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 9: especially bands, and so I think, like I was just

588
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 9: talking about this yesterday too, like we're really lucky because

589
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 9: everyone really likes each other and wants to get along,

590
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 9: you know, And I think, like, tell me a band

591
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 9: has been able to stay together. We've been together for

592
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 9: twenty years, you know, longer almost, so it's like and

593
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 9: we actually don't want to kill each other, you know sometimes,

594
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 9: but you know, we love each other and the respect

595
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 9: is has always been there, and it's there. But we're

596
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 9: lucky like that.

597
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: Do you guys try to do things off site? There

598
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: was a moment where we would like Threek Love's cooking, so,

599
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, dinner at my house, that sort of thing

600
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: where it's not us getting together because.

601
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 9: We're bad at spending time together when we're apart from work.

602
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 9: But I will say work for us when we work

603
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 9: is we're hanging so it feels like we're just chilling.

604
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 9: Even when we're just backstage for hours or whatever. It

605
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 9: is so like I feel like that time is super

606
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 9: special to us them When we disperse, it's like see it,

607
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 9: see it.

608
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: A month probably yeah.

609
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 9: But no off premise activity we do. Of course we do.

610
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 6: There's moon five, go bowling together and stuff.

611
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: Like that, bowling big bowler or no like on days

612
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: off from touring, there's no.

613
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 9: I'm the worst at participating in those things. Okay, I'm

614
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 9: gonna say, vocal rest, you need a break. Hey, it's

615
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 9: a real thing.

616
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: I hate nothing more than when vocal rest gets used

617
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: as a reason.

618
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 7: All the time.

619
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 1: Never it will be the one to scream at you too.

620
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: I thought he's on vocal rest.

621
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 9: Sometimes you just can't help it. Vocal rest is real.

622
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 9: Abused as a thing also true, But it is real

623
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 9: when you rest your voices.

624
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: Are you the towel around?

625
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 5: No?

626
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 9: No, no no no. I don't talk from my Ship's

627
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 9: like reasonable. I'll go to bed at like whatever time

628
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 9: and like I wake up and I don't talk for

629
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 9: like three four or five hours.

630
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: Wow, So it's that real.

631
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 5: But then I can talk, Okay, that must be a

632
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 5: hell of a thing when you was doing the voice

633
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 5: and stuff, and then you had to do other things

634
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 5: like voice.

635
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 8: Through me so much talk.

636
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 9: I don't know. That was a hard hard time because

637
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 9: I had to do all these different things. I want

638
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 9: a lot of energy on a multitasking.

639
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, Adam, when you first realize that you could sing,

640
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 7: that you had like a high tenor voice.

641
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 9: Probably like I was like ten eleven in my voice,

642
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 9: you know, as you can imagine, I had an extraordinarily

643
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 9: high pre puberty voice that was like angelophone and be like,

644
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 9: oh hey manuld you put it right right right? I

645
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 9: was like, that's fun. Mark left the mark on it

646
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 9: paid off?

647
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.

648
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: I was.

649
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 9: I had this amazing I always talk about him because

650
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 9: he's the greatest. He passed away, which is awful because

651
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 9: I wish you could have seen all the wonderful things

652
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 9: that got to happen. But my music teacher when I

653
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 9: was in elementary school was this really kind of boisterous, loud,

654
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 9: amazing piano player singing. This was always sweating from singing,

655
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 9: love the whole thing. And we'd sit in music class

656
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 9: and I wanted to be a basketball player, like an athlete.

657
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 9: I didn't like think music was cool really when I

658
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 9: was nine, you know, and probably like ten eleven to

659
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 9: twelve when I started to get into it. But he

660
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 9: told me I could sing, and he pulled me aside.

661
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 9: And it was me and this other kid who wound

662
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 9: up becoming an opera singer, which is crazy. And he

663
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 9: would pulls aside every day after he said, you guys

664
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 9: are so good at this, Like you don't understand. You

665
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 9: guys are very very good singer. As you can sing,

666
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 9: you should do And I was like, ah.

667
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I what' evering?

668
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 8: How would he hear you? How did he know?

669
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 9: Because I mean he would walk around and he would

670
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 9: see and you'd hear. Also, it's easy what no one

671
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 9: can sing, like when someone can sing a little bit,

672
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 9: you can tell. But I was just shy and I

673
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 9: started playing guitar and still didn't want to sing. And

674
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 9: the only reason I became a singer is because I

675
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 9: was literally just the best guy in the band at singing.

676
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 9: So I wasn't very good at it when I started,

677
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 9: especially live, and then that of course like overtime.

678
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: So with Kara's Flowers, the group that Maroon five eventually

679
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: morphed into what was the lineup and the whole division

680
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: of labor and that like who was singing?

681
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 9: Who I was singing? In Cars Flowers, I was always

682
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 9: the singer. I was always the lead singer. There was

683
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 9: it was you know, guys did background vocals and the

684
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 9: songs were like like I wrote weird songs about nothing

685
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 9: because I was so young and to write about.

686
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: So when you started fifteen, every group starts off as

687
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: a prototype of what they would like to follow.

688
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, first it was first it was Pearl Jam

689
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 9: and then it morphed into like Weezer, you know what

690
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 9: I mean. Like it was like the time because it

691
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 9: was your kids, so like you just like you take

692
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 9: on like whatever you're in love with musically, so like,

693
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 9: and then we got signed to Warner Brothers to reprise

694
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 9: as Cars Flowers and we're at that point. The music

695
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 9: it was so weird. It was like cool, kind of

696
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 9: power popping music, but like the lyrics were so whack

697
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 9: and crazy. I can't believe that's actually out there. So yeah,

698
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 9: it was like a product of the times again, like

699
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 9: the nineties, like you know, kind of poppy, power poppy.

700
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 9: I guess what year was this, Yeah, ninety seven.

701
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: Who produced it?

702
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 9: Rob Cavallo, Yeah, so so a whole you have a

703
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 9: whole other life.

704
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: I want to know this hit me hit me.

705
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 9: So when I was I was in high school, we

706
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 9: played it a I forgot how we found out, but

707
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 9: basically we played a high school like a uni high

708
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 9: school party, university party, and his sister saw us play

709
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 9: Rob's sister. But yeah, anyway, he saw me play and

710
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 9: then we got wound up getting signed before high school

711
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 9: was over. So what was that?

712
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: Like I woulitness boys to men and go through that

713
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: in high school.

714
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 9: So also remember well remember first of all, I lead nowhere,

715
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 9: but like the initial like the contract, the hemorrhaging money

716
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 9: making a fucking record because it was back in the

717
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 9: day when like a spend spend.

718
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: Spend actual recording budgets.

719
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 9: Oh my god, Like you were him great when you

720
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 9: got signed eleventh grade.

721
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: So what were you thinking? Like back in the eleventh grade,

722
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I'm making it, and.

723
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 8: Who's reading your paperwork?

724
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 9: We were good like it was, but also look like

725
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 9: the record deals of the past, because we got a

726
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 9: little and we had a failed record deal that we

727
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 9: soon dropped from, you know, so but we we had

728
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 9: a record deal where it was like if they let

729
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 9: us go. They had to pay us Like that will

730
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 9: never happen forever, zero success.

731
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, will co learned from Repries?

732
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 9: Oh yeah yeah, so like that was like a different

733
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 9: time of the recommends, but it was a learning experience

734
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 9: and it was fun. But yeah, Rob produced a record

735
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 9: and this was like he just produced Green Day. So

736
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 9: we were like, oh shit, here we go, like bam,

737
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 9: record went nowhere, sold like eight copies. They dropped us

738
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 9: like a year later.

739
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: Okay, since you got signed in ninety six, can I

740
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: take a whild guess that because I'm like, wait, you

741
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: guys were super young when they signed you. Were they

742
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: trying to cash in on the h Hanson kind of?

743
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 9: Here's what I was gonna say, no, because we were

744
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 9: much like we were way more alternative, like like when

745
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 9: we first started, who's.

746
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: The trio from Australia that also was your Chair? Was

747
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: it more to that?

748
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 9: Or we weren't that grungy either, like like it was

749
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 9: just That's what I was gonna say, though, was so

750
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 9: rare like back then maybe different in pop music, but

751
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 9: being a band that's that young, there was no one

752
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 9: literally like remember like Ben Lee had a thing where

753
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 9: he was like Holy shit, they signed the second coming sixteen.

754
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: That was it.

755
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 9: It wasn't like there was all these bands being signed,

756
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 9: so that was it was very rare to get the

757
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 9: deal in the first place. And I think like even

758
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 9: back then, like everyone knew kind of like, oh, these

759
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 9: kids might make it someday, but I'm not sure. This

760
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 9: is the you know, iteration to day right and do

761
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 9: it for. It was a wild time being a senior

762
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 9: in high school. Every day leaving school and driving to

763
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 9: like Conway.

764
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: Wow, it was like post death Road Conway too.

765
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 9: Hey, canon, baby, that some ship you went there? I did.

766
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 9: I took a to say anything.

767
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: It was post that came.

768
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: That's where all the death songs and stories came from.

769
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: So many stories.

770
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 9: Okay, but we mixed there like years later. It was nothing.

771
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 9: It was like two thousand.

772
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: Wait didn't we Did we go to Conway or cam

773
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: Conway is like deep? Like, uh, did we record there once?

774
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: We did an episode there once.

775
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 9: I have to have been there before.

776
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: I was there with Storms.

777
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 8: That's where we did too Short with Dennis Quaid.

778
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: We did. Yeah, But I didn't known that studio, did he?

779
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 5: No?

780
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 8: No, no, no, I'm just saying I don't think it was.

781
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: I think it was Conway's studios.

782
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 9: There's no way you've lived your whole life and not

783
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 9: been there at least once.

784
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: Maybe not been there once. It's super cooler.

785
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 9: It's like a great studio. Anyway, I was a kid,

786
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 9: I was going to place. I was like, wow, like

787
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 9: it was the most and I get there two years

788
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 9: young too. I was like, let's get food. Let's order

789
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 9: all of the cheesecake factory, that whole menu. That's a big.

790
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: Son.

791
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 5: It was the.

792
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 7: Books, like, I do not need some podstickers and a steak, dude,

793
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 7: can I okay?

794
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 8: The avocado eggroll brown bread they gave you in the beginning,

795
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 8: that was.

796
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: The most soulful I've ever seen.

797
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 8: That was so so much pressure. It's so much pressure.

798
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: Wait, give me a second, because I have to acknowledge

799
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: like that was the most I felt scene.

800
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: The moment I've been on the show, because I got

801
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: to explain.

802
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: To you guys that when you realize what the perks

803
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: are of this job, the second that you realize that

804
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: you get access to free, unlimited quality food.

805
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: I always tell the story of Wendy Goldstein.

806
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: Having a refrigerator with nothing but orange juice in it,

807
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: like thing of the way that they opened thefrigerator in

808
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: nothing but a g thing whatever. It's like.

809
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: When she opened that specific all the roots look at

810
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: each other like yo.

811
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: And then next thing, you know, she went to the

812
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: bat whatever. We just housing oliver orange juice. But dog,

813
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: you can't believe it.

814
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 9: I can't believe it, I'm telling you. Or you know

815
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 9: the three the books Mexican food, every menu, Italian food,

816
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 9: like three menus per page. As Oh yeah, we.

817
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: Wouldn't even have sessions at We would just know that

818
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: we had an account at a specific studio like that

819
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: was the original post Mates.

820
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 3: We just go buy battery studios and orders it and

821
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 3: be like charge.

822
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: How about that?

823
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 9: How about the fact that someone's gonna go get it

824
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 9: and bring it back before our dad?

825
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 5: Y'all don't know what these these folks are talking about

826
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 5: right now, Ya, there's ultimate before Postmates.

827
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 9: It's still I still do not over it.

828
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm still like you get this from me in long distance?

829
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 5: Oh god, as you finished reading a cheese cakegment and

830
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 5: long distance, boy, that was awesome.

831
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: So what were your expectations at that time? Super high?

832
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 9: Just so high, because I mean they were always high.

833
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 9: But I think like the only time that I had

834
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 9: delusional I think. I always say, like, you have to

835
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 9: have a delusional amount of self confidence to make it,

836
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 9: because you have to really believe like a lot.

837
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, in this mind state that I'm

838
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: trying to permanently place myself in, like is delusion? Is

839
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: that really a thing? Yes?

840
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 9: Okay, well yes, yeah, it's all semantics how you want

841
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 9: to word it, because.

842
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: It's very much like it's like, there's this book I

843
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 4: read like a while but when uh, it's called Good

844
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 4: to Great.

845
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: It's a business book.

846
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 4: And one of the things that they talk about, like

847
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 4: the CEOs that like took their companies to like record

848
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,479
Speaker 4: growth and shit. One of the things they all found

849
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 4: out was they used something called the Stockdale paradox, and

850
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 4: what it is is based on this general gym Stockdale.

851
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 4: I don't want to fuck his name up, but anyway,

852
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: he was a pow president like Vietnam and shit, and

853
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 4: so when he made it out, you know, he would

854
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 4: talk and people would ask him, well, how did you

855
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 4: make it like what it was? And the thing he

856
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: said was, you know, the first thing I did was

857
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 4: I understood that I had to accept the brutal reality

858
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: of what it was like. I had to accept just

859
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 4: the brutal reality, but still at the same time understand

860
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 4: that there was a way that I couldn't make it out.

861
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 4: And he said, you know, the people who didn't make

862
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 4: it were the people who was like, ah, we'll be

863
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 4: out by November. Then November comes, we'll be out by December.

864
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 4: Then January comes, we'll be out by whatever. They don't

865
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 4: make it, because those are the people. They don't make

866
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 4: it because they die of a broken heart, you know

867
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 4: what I mean.

868
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: So you have to have.

869
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 4: You have to enter how especially in the music industry,

870
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 4: you shitn't me like, you have to see like, Okay,

871
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 4: this shit is fucked up, but you have to have

872
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: that delusional belief in yourself that you'll make it no

873
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 4: matter what.

874
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,959
Speaker 1: So I feel the filtered way that makes total sense,

875
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: and I get it. So basically, you're saying you have

876
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: to stay in the present and pivot towards your future,

877
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: which we rarely do. Like a lot of people are

878
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: either ruled by either tragedy or charmer in their past

879
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: that makes them how they are now and they don't

880
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: get over the past. And so I see that now,

881
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: but I also do believe that for everyone that I've

882
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: ever judged. Mind you, these are toxic people now sort

883
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: of going through their shit. But anyone that we ever

884
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: ruled as arrogant or fool themselves or that sort of thing,

885
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: I also noticed that they've made it because they had

886
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: to convince themselves that, yeah, that m ward social paths.

887
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, you have to well here's the thing.

888
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 5: To be.

889
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: Don't don't be that.

890
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: In a nice way.

891
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 9: God, these are all very tricky conversations, do you think so?

892
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 9: But delusional self confidence and manifest destiny could be the

893
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 9: same thing, right, Like, It's just I think one is

894
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 9: a little more cynical and silly, So like, okay, delusional

895
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 9: self like that's like you say that tongue in cheek,

896
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 9: and then manifest that's these a little more more gravitas.

897
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 9: It's heavier, so you're like, okay, it's more serious. It's

898
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 9: the same idea. There's also a time to know when

899
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 9: you want to talk about like things like flow state

900
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 9: and ship where it's like, okay, you also need to

901
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 9: know what the's going on to you can't just be

902
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 9: crazy and I'm gonna make because then there's that side,

903
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 9: which is like and by the way, it's people who

904
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 9: have no talent can have the ship that work out

905
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 9: for them.

906
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: That's the talent.

907
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 9: That's exactly.

908
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like great imposter syndrome. And like real imposters,

909
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 4: they don't have that syndrome, you know what I'm saying,

910
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 4: Like there's no like like damn, he's fonte just like

911
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: scammers and ship like them. Niggas believe every word they saying.

912
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 4: They have no disbelief in themselves. They will lie like

913
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 4: a motherfucker. So I yeah, imposter syndrome.

914
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 9: That ain't believing it you have. Imposter syndrome is almost

915
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 9: like the insecurity that exists when you're not exactly because

916
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 9: you actually have a conscience.

917
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: But also we're pre programmed as people pleasers to like

918
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: I gotta seem humble out this thing.

919
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 3: I'm trying to lose that ship.

920
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 9: It fascinates me though, to see when someone is capable

921
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 9: of being borderline sociopathics and not giving a ship about

922
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 9: how they come off and being crazy about it because

923
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 9: you're like, wow, that is like that would make me

924
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 9: so uncomfortable.

925
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a hard thing to learn. But basically,

926
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to get out of you is. So

927
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: there was a moment where I felt like, yo, we

928
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: got a deal, everyone grew great, it's awesome. And then

929
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: three weeks into it then I was like, oh shit,

930
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: this is not going to work. And it took it

931
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: took five years to get me out of the depression

932
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: of we're not going to make it.

933
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 9: But that's a big moment.

934
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: How did but how did you that?

935
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 9: We haven't gotten there yet in the story, right, because

936
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 9: if you're successful now standing here today, every single one

937
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 9: of us has had a failure that they had to

938
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 9: deal with a big one, at least one big one.

939
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 9: And so yes, you experience that first failure. You're riding high,

940
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 9: you're like, hey, we got this record deal, money, fucking cheesecake,

941
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 9: and then all of a sudden in which we all know,

942
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 9: it all goes away and you're like, oh shit, no

943
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 9: more cheesecake, no more money, no more, no more fame.

944
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 9: I'm not going to go platinum, you know.

945
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: And how long start over? How long was it until

946
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: we got signed?

947
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 9: We were like seventeen eighteen, almost eighteen. Our parents had

948
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 9: to sign the contracting. Awesome, it's just crazy crazy. They

949
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 9: also had sat in the room so we graduated high

950
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 9: school and I was like peace, like.

951
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: Over straight to the road.

952
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 9: And then I would say, by like December of that year,

953
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 9: graduating only the summertime, early summer, and then by December

954
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 9: it was like, oh ship, this is not happening. All right,

955
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 9: it's done, and then it kind of started unwrappling. So

956
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 9: that moment was like whoa, this is uh, this fucked

957
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 9: up because your dreams are just dashed. Like you know

958
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 9: how that it goes because a minute the minute, it's

959
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 9: so fascinate you think you're going somewhere and then you're not,

960
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 9: and then back then at least I don't know if

961
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 9: it's the same thing now, but like once you're tainted

962
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 9: in the record business, like so if we get anyone

963
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 9: to like us again, to sign us, it'll be really tough.

964
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 9: Fortunately we kind of did. But that moment is like,

965
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 9: really the water you made of moment?

966
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: How hard was it to change the name because that's

967
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: the moment where you realize that.

968
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 9: Stupid name so much. I hate all I hate room,

969
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 9: the name of Room five, I hate the name of

970
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 9: cars Flowers, I hate band damn band names are stupid.

971
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 9: All of us, all of us get to be called

972
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 9: the Roots, bro.

973
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: We were forced.

974
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 3: We wanted to be square rooms.

975
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well to go with the Roots was smart.

976
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 9: Well it's a great band name, is what I'm saying.

977
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 3: How did you How did you come up with Carris

978
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 3: Flowers and my room?

979
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: Five?

980
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 9: Cars Flowers was easy? More than five. I will never

981
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 9: tell anybody. I told Billy Joel.

982
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 3: He knows.

983
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 9: Ask him.

984
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: We gotta get Joel.

985
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 8: We will at it.

986
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 9: And he doesn't remember because really had a few and

987
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 9: didn't care.

988
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 7: It sounds like every day.

989
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 9: Yeah he was. I told him because I knew for

990
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 9: a fact. And it's a very unremarkable story. Cars Flowers

991
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 9: is so dumb, I mean, like so dumb because we

992
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 9: were fifteen, So we snuck out of the house. Our boy,

993
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 9: the drummer could drive. Our rummer could drive, so he,

994
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 9: like I had a big old wagoneer and uh, we

995
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 9: went to Norms on on like LOSTI Ina in West

996
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 9: Hollywood and you know you're out and like your parents

997
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 9: know you're gone, and you're the norms getting steak and

998
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 9: eggs for three ninety nine and being a band and

999
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 9: being stupid Norms bro. I mean, come on, it's nasty, you.

1000
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: Gotta it's great. At one in the morning.

1001
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, it was late night norms. And we're eating.

1002
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 9: We're like, we're gonna be in a band or be

1003
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 9: fucking huge. We gotta get a name. It was that time.

1004
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 9: So there's no better time in your life than that

1005
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 9: those times. And uh and then we were like and

1006
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 9: we all loved this girl named Kara. I don't know why,

1007
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 9: we just loved it. God bless your car, you're amazing.

1008
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 9: So she lived like north of Sunset, like like right

1009
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 9: above the whiskey, like you know, the whiskey was yes,

1010
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 9: like right there, and we like loved her for some reason,

1011
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 9: and so we did our drummer like wanted it.

1012
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: He brought her.

1013
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 9: We brought her flowers that night or something like. The

1014
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 9: recollection of it is probably pretty hazy, but anyway we were.

1015
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 9: And so we're back at his house and we're like

1016
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 9: cars flowers.

1017
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 8: It's kind of awesome.

1018
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 9: And then like we played the whiskey for our first

1019
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 9: gig and it said car flowers and like she lived,

1020
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 9: you know.

1021
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 3: So so she was the Rosanna Arcuata you guys, is

1022
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 3: Toto exactly nice?

1023
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 5: Oh sorry, y'all, I hate to do this, but this

1024
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 5: is where part one that's okay. Stay tuned next week

1025
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 5: or check your podcast feed for part two of Questlove

1026
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 5: Supreme with Adam Levine. Oh, and then that next one,

1027
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 5: he's going to talk about some of those Maroon five

1028
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 5: songs that you know in love and other collaborations.

1029
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 8: Oh, plus he listened to some of his favorite albums

1030
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 8: of all time.

1031
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 5: And oh, y'all, just when you think he doesn't get

1032
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 5: any better, a surprise guest drops through.

1033
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 8: I really want to tell you who.

1034
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 5: I'm gonna hurry up and end this before I spoiled

1035
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 5: surprise that they may have been on the show before.

1036
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Speaker 5: So thank you and please like, subscribe, review, follow, and

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Speaker 5: all that other good stuff.

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Speaker 8: See y'all next week.

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