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Speaker 5: Not too long ago, when the SpaceX rocket blew up, unmanned,
Speaker 5: no injuries, they didn't say at SpaceX, dang our billion
Speaker 5: dollar rocket blew up. SpaceX actually issued a statement and
Speaker 5: they called it and I quote, a rapid unscheduled disassembly.
Speaker 5: I bring that up because the same thing goes for
Speaker 5: the NFL Draft. You can be sitting in your NFL
Speaker 5: war room and you could have your plans all laid
Speaker 5: out for months and months, and you think it's going
Speaker 5: one way, and then come home a rapid, unscheduled disassembly
Speaker 5: happens while you're on the clock.
Speaker 1: Also known buy as a wedge bust. Just sayence, just saying.
Speaker 5: It's one reason that the NFL Draft is on four
Speaker 5: kind of four different networks this year. It's on ABC, ESPN,
Speaker 5: NFL Network in ESPN Deportees because it is the original
Speaker 5: reality TV and it goes down in real time and
Speaker 5: we are here to cover it all the way up
Speaker 5: until Draft night. It is the big red Rage. Paul Calvi,
Speaker 5: you se Ron Wolfy all presented by santan Ford and
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Speaker 5: Cardinals cornerback coach Ryan Smith Ron Wolfley. Would you say
Speaker 5: cornerback would be an area of need slash want in
Speaker 5: this draft as.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, Paulie, I think there's no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. I think it's one of the biggest needs
Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals. I see four really big needs,
Speaker 1: but I think they have a need for the most part,
Speaker 1: in almost every area not called quarterback for the most part, Paully,
Speaker 1: But I do see that. I see corner being a
Speaker 1: big need right now, and it's not going to be
Speaker 1: a surprise. It's that way for many many teams in
Speaker 1: the National Football League going through a bit of a
Speaker 1: flex if you will, becoming very flexible in regard to
Speaker 1: the type of corner that you have to have in
Speaker 1: today's NFL. You've got to have a guy that can
Speaker 1: play that pressman cover, and you also have to have
Speaker 1: a guy that can actually play in a zone room
Speaker 1: because that many times is where picks happened.
Speaker 5: You know what I made at number one on my
Speaker 5: big board, the big board of wants and needs number one.
Speaker 5: You know why, because you have one proven corner and
Speaker 5: every team needs at least three, if not four. Now
Speaker 5: you have Garrett Williams, who's coming off a pretty darn
Speaker 5: good rookie season. But beyond Sean Murphy bunting Cardinals are
Speaker 5: in the market, we'll get into corner.
Speaker 1: Speaking of one, though, Paul, what are you gonna do
Speaker 1: for one? Being Kyler Murray meaning a wide receiver of course, Oh,
Speaker 1: I see, what are you going to do for one?
Speaker 5: Well, if you're Mike Tannenbaum, and I bring this up
Speaker 5: because we're going to get into some of these mock drafts.
Speaker 5: This is my favorite slash worst mock draft of the
Speaker 5: mock draft season. If you don't recall a month ago
Speaker 5: or so, he had the Cardinals drafting JJ McCarthy at
Speaker 5: number four. Let there be a fourth QB he had
Speaker 5: going to the Cardinals. They then traded Kyler Murray a
Speaker 5: third round pick to Minnesota for number eleven and twenty three.
Speaker 5: Cardinals with then draft Quinny and Mitchell at eleven and
Speaker 5: then get Ladd McConkie at number twenty seven. So if
Speaker 5: you were a follow that and the only reason to
Speaker 5: bring this up is because he's a former NFL GM,
Speaker 5: otherwise I would ignore this. But if you were to
Speaker 5: follow that formula, you end up with JJ McCarthy and
Speaker 5: Ladd McConkie instead of Kyler Murray and Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 1: So what was he doing, bawd. We all know what
Speaker 1: he was doing. We all know what my data Bob
Speaker 1: was doing. Look everybody click here, please.
Speaker 5: Okay, go on, all right, so let's ignore that. Let's
Speaker 5: go to another former NFL GM, Scott Pioli on NFL
Speaker 5: Network and he's just sort of breaking down what this
Speaker 5: two week stretch up to draft night looks like in.
Speaker 4: A war room.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of little detail work that needs to
Speaker 6: get done at this point in time, but the work
Speaker 6: that's being done on your front board shouldn't really exist.
Speaker 6: The top players you should know exactly where they're at.
Speaker 6: You're just doing a little bit of clean up work
Speaker 6: on some of those top players and you've got the
Speaker 6: final thirty visits coming to your team. You've got private
Speaker 6: workouts that you do.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: The other thing is this you're thinking about strategy. There's
Speaker 6: the evaluation process of the draft, and then you have strategy.
Speaker 6: So you're spending a lot of time on the phone
Speaker 6: with your close friends in the industry that are either
Speaker 6: coaches meaning head coaches or general managers, trying to figure
Speaker 6: out where you may be able to find value in trades.
Speaker 4: Ahha, Do you.
Speaker 5: Think the Cardinals are in the market for a potential
Speaker 5: trade at number four?
Speaker 1: Ron WOLFLINGK, Yes, I do. I think you have to
Speaker 1: plow the road for the most part, Pauli, this is
Speaker 1: where you're going to pick up the phone. You're just
Speaker 1: going to call a guy and say, hey, listen, we're
Speaker 1: not doing this today, but would you be interested would
Speaker 1: you be if I gave you this kind of scenario,
Speaker 1: would you be interested in being part of that scenario?
Speaker 1: So I think you're going to plow the road a
Speaker 1: little bit at this point in time, Paulie, and I
Speaker 1: would also say, right now, you're still setting your boards.
Speaker 1: That's what I think, because there are still some interviews
Speaker 1: that are going on with the Top Thirty interviews, I
Speaker 1: think your board is close to being set, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it is set at this point in time,
Speaker 1: not quite yet.
Speaker 5: And if you track all the reports, and Craig Grielu
Speaker 5: does just that and does a spectacular job, there are
Speaker 5: nearly thirty Top thirty visits that have occurred for the Cardinals,
Speaker 5: They've almost completed all of them. And if you follow
Speaker 5: all the reports, one quarter of those visits have been
Speaker 5: by receivers. Wow, including the Big Three. Okay, so all right,
Speaker 5: where does that leave the Cardinals? Will they even be
Speaker 5: there at number four to take one of the Big Three?
Speaker 5: Do they go down to six with the New York
Speaker 5: Giants and then still nab one of the Big Three?
Speaker 5: Or do they go all the way down to eleven,
Speaker 5: because would you agree that the most noise in terms
Speaker 5: of a potential trade partner is coming on in Minnesota. No,
Speaker 5: not about it, bully, all right, so theyre gm Quasia.
Speaker 5: Dolfo Mensa. There he was earlier today meeting the media,
Speaker 5: and here's what he had to say, just on risk
Speaker 5: associated with moving up for a quarterback.
Speaker 7: You know, I think just because something's risky doesn't mean
Speaker 7: you have to stay away from it. There's a it's
Speaker 7: it's something that is hard to grasp. But if you
Speaker 7: grasp it, you know what the rewards are, right, and
Speaker 7: that's something you have to weigh and measure. You can't
Speaker 7: look at these decisions in the vacuum, you know, you
Speaker 7: look at the whole portfolio of decisions that go around it,
Speaker 7: the things you have to do. But just because something's
Speaker 7: risky doesn't mean you know, you're scared from it, you're
Speaker 7: scared of it. It's uncertain, right, it's uncertain, and we
Speaker 7: got to we gotta take our swing. But that doesn't
Speaker 7: give us any pause.
Speaker 1: Okay, mister Rodolpho Mensu, I guess he's moving up, Paul.
Speaker 1: Is that the way you translated that? Right there?
Speaker 5: You know, you know, just say that's sort of you know,
Speaker 5: just like SpaceX. Instead of saying our rocket blew up,
Speaker 5: they called it a rapid unscheduled disassembly. That's the way
Speaker 5: the Vikings GM said, you know what, we're taking a swing.
Speaker 1: You know, at some point it's time, PAULI don't you
Speaker 1: try to hide your true intention at some point he's
Speaker 1: coming up. I'm just saying right now, there's still doubt
Speaker 1: about it. The Minnesota Vikings have targeted the top five
Speaker 1: and they're coming. You just better get out of the
Speaker 1: way right now.
Speaker 5: And guess what.
Speaker 1: What's it gonna take.
Speaker 5: Guess what, mister Quacy, here's the deal. If you wait
Speaker 5: till five, or you try and do a deal with
Speaker 5: the LA Chargers, well, guess what. There are four and
Speaker 5: only four franchise quarterbacks that you can be certain of. Okay,
Speaker 5: you can wait around for Michael Pennix or bow Nicks
Speaker 5: or what have you. But in this case, let there
Speaker 5: be a fourth QB. And if indeed, JJ McCarthy is
Speaker 5: that guy. And there are plenty, plenty of mock drafts
Speaker 5: that have JJ McCarthy going number two to Washington, by
Speaker 5: the way, including Tom pellisera who reported at the league.
Speaker 1: Karni, you know that's real, believe it. Yes, And Paulie,
Speaker 1: the best part of all of this discussion right now
Speaker 1: is the fact that Arizona Cardinals are sitting in what
Speaker 1: I do believe is the cat bird seat, yep of
Speaker 1: this draft, being there at number four. And you know
Speaker 1: what's best about that, Money doesn't have to do anything
Speaker 1: because we'll sit right where we are and we're gonna
Speaker 1: get an impact player. Now a lot of us, we
Speaker 1: all kind of think it's gonna be a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and we all kind of think, you know what, it
Speaker 1: could be Marvin Harrison junior. Okay, now, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of debate that is going on
Speaker 1: out there, a huge narrative surrounding that pick at number four.
Speaker 1: But to me, the good news is Mani doesn't have
Speaker 1: to do anything. You do, though, and that's why he's
Speaker 1: in a great spot.
Speaker 5: And look, if he doesn't do something in Minnesota, there's Denver,
Speaker 5: there's the New York Giants, there's the Raiders. So there's
Speaker 5: enough suitors, enough teams desperate for a quarterback. And if
Speaker 5: next year's draft doesn't have any, the best quarterback in
Speaker 5: next year's draft is first named Jack, last name Squat.
Speaker 5: Then all of a sudden, guess what, the price goes up?
Speaker 5: And there are multiple reports now the Mania support is
Speaker 5: looking for three count them, three first round picks, looking
Speaker 5: for the whole Trey Lance deal.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, why would you not start there?
Speaker 5: Well, think about it. Are the Vikings really going to
Speaker 5: go through all the next season with Sam Darnold, Nick
Speaker 5: Mullins and Jaren Hall.
Speaker 1: In their quarterback round? A nice four?
Speaker 5: Broh Denver is gonna come out of the gates with
Speaker 5: Jared Stidham and Ben Denucci.
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 5: I mean, your season's over before it starts. So guess what.
Speaker 5: There are teams that you can leverage against each other.
Speaker 5: There's limited supply, there's plenty of demand. And this year,
Speaker 5: unlike a year ago when you traded out and Will
Speaker 5: Anderson was a target, this is a quarterback, so there
Speaker 5: will be a quarterback surcharger, quarterback kicker.
Speaker 1: It's gonna cost you.
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Speaker 3: Pit's intercept of the thirty down the sideline to the
Speaker 3: fifty yard line, it's Murphy bunty to the thirty to
Speaker 3: the twenty to the fifteen.
Speaker 4: Of his hand.
Speaker 3: Sean Purfy punting is my hero tips down to a pick.
Speaker 2: Six piney can it deflicted and it looks like it's intercepted.
Speaker 1: Sean Murphy bunting up the hands down there and seventy
Speaker 1: five a box and it's Murphy bunting down the sideline,
Speaker 1: mine brush going down the middle and it was intercepted
Speaker 1: on a falling down tip.
Speaker 8: Sean Murphy bunting pads just picked off the pass of
Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4: Puffles up on the far side and it scoops down.
Speaker 3: It's picked up by Murphy bunting running right ti left
Speaker 3: at the thirty home story, Oh I.
Speaker 7: Throw an interception and on the return Sean Murphy Bunting.
Speaker 4: And there's a pick right on Joe.
Speaker 3: Sean Murphy Bunting and boring his hit lost the ball.
Speaker 4: The Tights had picked it up and bawling on it.
Speaker 1: Inside the twenty is Murphy Bunny.
Speaker 4: He ripped it out.
Speaker 1: Sean Murphy Bunting has made the play.
Speaker 5: He might have caught the voice of Dave passionate voice
Speaker 5: of the Cardinals. And he figures to call the name
Speaker 5: Sean Murphy Bunting a lot more this coming season. Ron Wolfe,
Speaker 5: would you say, if you're a cornerback, you need to
Speaker 5: be able.
Speaker 1: To compete, Yeah, Pauli, I would say that's a very
Speaker 1: very good trait for a corner.
Speaker 5: Because a few weeks ago, when Shawn Murphy Bunting was
Speaker 5: our guest in the Big Red Rage about five feet
Speaker 5: to your left, he got up after the segment and
Speaker 5: he wanted to show us how he could do the
Speaker 5: kip up like Buddha Baker, and he literally did it
Speaker 5: right on the court right here, and he said he's
Speaker 5: working on it. He's only three weeks in. He's gonna
Speaker 5: have it down by training camping. He's going to compete
Speaker 5: with Buddha in the kip up.
Speaker 1: You know what, PAULI, I'll do that after we talked
Speaker 1: to coach.
Speaker 5: No, you won't. No, but that is our segue. Ryan
Speaker 5: Smith is our guest Cardinals cornerbacks coach. Coach, how are
Speaker 5: we doing?
Speaker 4: I'm doing well? Thanks for having me.
Speaker 5: He is that sort of guy, isn't he? Sean Murphy
Speaker 5: Bunting effect. When he was asked by the media about
Speaker 5: his connection with Cardinals coaches, he said he saw something
Speaker 5: to me that I saw in myself. And someone followed
Speaker 5: up on that, and then he went into how he
Speaker 5: is a competitor, and I'm just here. I'll just start
Speaker 5: there the position itself. I mean, what does it require
Speaker 5: to be a top notch corner.
Speaker 9: I think you're hitting it right on the head. A competitor,
Speaker 9: bottom line, right, A guy who can show up playing
Speaker 9: in play out, day in day out and compete at
Speaker 9: a high level, you know. And I think that's a
Speaker 9: trait that you seek at seek out for that position,
Speaker 9: you know, along with the confidence and the resiliency. I
Speaker 9: think some traits that stick out when I think of
Speaker 9: an elite corner.
Speaker 1: So coach also too. One of the things I would
Speaker 1: think is to have a versatile corner as well, maybe
Speaker 1: a guy who could actually walk up over a receiver
Speaker 1: and play some press man and actually hold up and
Speaker 1: do well with that, also back off and play in
Speaker 1: his own room as well, and actually makes some plays
Speaker 1: maybe maybe even interception. That way, when you look at
Speaker 1: Sean Murphy Bunting, what do you see in terms of
Speaker 1: his physical talents, how does he hold up?
Speaker 9: I mean, Shawn's got a skill set that really translates
Speaker 9: to a high level corner in this league. You know,
Speaker 9: there's things that he can do with the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 9: his coverage, his zone instincts, his awareness, you know, things
Speaker 9: that really translated in So we saw that in him
Speaker 9: and in our evaluation during free agency, and it was
Speaker 9: across the board from the personnel side to the coaching side.
Speaker 9: We saw the traits that were there, and you know,
Speaker 9: as a guy that can come in and really be
Speaker 9: an impact guy on this.
Speaker 1: Defense, versatility really matters to this coaching staff, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Absolutely?
Speaker 9: I mean, versatility is huge from our philosophy of being
Speaker 9: being a defense that can adapt to our personnel. You know,
Speaker 9: you can put guys in different spots, put them in
Speaker 9: different situations.
Speaker 4: And a guy that like Sean who has the capacity to.
Speaker 9: Learn and and can play different different techniques, different coverages.
Speaker 9: And you see that on this film in Tampa Bay
Speaker 9: and in Tennessee. And then you get down to the
Speaker 9: nitty gritty and you talk to the people that's been
Speaker 9: around him the last couple of years, and they all
Speaker 9: spoke so highly of him and how he was as
Speaker 9: a professional. You knew that he would come in and
Speaker 9: he would be able to integrate this in this culture
Speaker 9: pretty smoothly.
Speaker 5: Cardinals cornerbacks coach Ryan Smith our guest here in the
Speaker 5: Big Red Rage Presentabody, santan Ford and Gilbert. He started
Speaker 5: as a nickel or slot corner in Tampa, really made
Speaker 5: his mark. But the last couple of years he's played outside,
Speaker 5: and it sounds like he wanted to play outside. He
Speaker 5: wanted that challenge. Just how different they might be listed
Speaker 5: as corners, But how different are those two spots inside
Speaker 5: and outside?
Speaker 9: Well, I mean the guys on the outside, you know,
Speaker 9: are are covering the outside bigger receivers. But you know what,
Speaker 9: there's a lot of the skill set translates. You know,
Speaker 9: you see him play on the inside and he's covering guys.
Speaker 9: There's still man instincts that you've got to know and
Speaker 9: you've got to be able to feel and do to
Speaker 9: be able to to be able to cover in this league,
Speaker 9: you know, because it's not like, Okay, I'm going from
Speaker 9: the inside to the outside and I'm covering a lesser player.
Speaker 4: The slots in this league are just as good as
Speaker 4: the outside guys, you know.
Speaker 9: And I think with Sean's versatility being able to play
Speaker 9: inside and show that on tape, but also as a
Speaker 9: guy that has the length to be able to challenge
Speaker 9: number one receivers Excell and Z on the outside, I
Speaker 9: think that's where his is really going to be.
Speaker 4: Able to fit his skill set.
Speaker 5: His backstory is amazing. He was a three sport athlete
Speaker 5: in high school, and because he didn't do a lot
Speaker 5: of the football camps and stuff, he was considered a
Speaker 5: zero star recruit and they went to Central Michigan. By
Speaker 5: the time he's done with college ball, he's a Round
Speaker 5: two draft pick. I mean, miraculous, right the rise and
Speaker 5: his game and once again we come back to the
Speaker 5: competitor in him and what coaches saw on him. Here's
Speaker 5: Sean Murphy bunting.
Speaker 10: They see a dog pretty much playing as simple. They
Speaker 10: see a guy that can go out there and shut
Speaker 10: people down. And that's just what I see in myself,
Speaker 10: and that's what I do. And so we believe in
Speaker 10: the same philosophies. They want me to mix up some
Speaker 10: things I know how. They want me to do certain
Speaker 10: techniques that I know how to play. I know how
Speaker 10: to play pretty much everything I've played in many different systems.
Speaker 10: Lead by example, Lead the younger guys that they have
Speaker 10: in the room, show them that everything is possible, but
Speaker 10: at the same time having an experience behind it as
Speaker 10: proof that everything that I'm saying is it's happened.
Speaker 5: You know, an offense, JG says, no block, no rock.
Speaker 5: If you're a receiver, you better block. If you're a corner,
Speaker 5: you better tackle in this defense, right.
Speaker 4: Coach, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 9: I mean you can't in the NFL, you can't hide, right,
Speaker 9: So you've got to be able to as a corner.
Speaker 9: You've got to be able to come up in a
Speaker 9: run game, set edges, keep the cup as we call it,
Speaker 9: keep the ball on my inside pad. And when I'm
Speaker 9: asked to tackle, I got to I've got to show
Speaker 9: up all right, because if you can't, offenses are good enough,
Speaker 9: they're the ball is gonna find you.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So to answer your question, absolutely.
Speaker 1: So you know a coach for me right now, being
Speaker 1: a former player, I'm fascinated with how things work in
Speaker 1: the NFL, right because there's always that curtain as a player,
Speaker 1: not as a coach, but as a player, there's always
Speaker 1: that hurt that's hanging in front of you. How does
Speaker 1: it work? How do these guys actually do it right here?
Speaker 1: So when they determined that they wanted to know a
Speaker 1: little bit more about Sean Murphy Bunting, did they come
Speaker 1: to you and ask you specifically, we want you to
Speaker 1: break this guy down and help us out in regard
Speaker 1: tell us what you think of this guy. Did they
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Absolutely?
Speaker 9: And I think that's what I love about this organization
Speaker 9: is we're all on the same page. So they asked
Speaker 9: from my opinion, they asked for the opinion of Pat Tony.
Speaker 9: Our secondary coach, Nick Rowlis jg all of us had
Speaker 9: a hand in this decision that MANI took our input
Speaker 9: and made the move because we were all on board
Speaker 9: and we had a plan and we saw a guy
Speaker 9: that really fit.
Speaker 4: What we wanted to do on defense coach, would you
Speaker 4: watch this together?
Speaker 1: Would you all watch it together?
Speaker 9: When breaking it down, there was just well not initially,
Speaker 9: so we all wanted to formulate our own opinion. And
Speaker 9: I think that what I love about how this staff
Speaker 9: does it is we don't We're not a staff that's
Speaker 9: just going to sit in the room throw and throw
Speaker 9: a guy up. One guy has an opinion and then
Speaker 9: everybody's a subject to group thinks saying yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: let's go get that done.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: So we all worked.
Speaker 9: Independently, came back together in the meeting room, and we
Speaker 9: shared our opinions on our thoughts, and we there was
Speaker 9: a consensus around the room, you know. So that really
Speaker 9: raises our excitement of you know, we can't wait till
Speaker 9: OTA's kicks off the guys get in. We can start
Speaker 9: working with these guys and uh, just see the excitement
Speaker 9: of the guys that we have, especially the new guys
Speaker 9: that are on board.
Speaker 5: Cardinals Corners coach Ryan Smith is our guest Some Big
Speaker 5: Red Race presented by Santan Forid and Gilbert. All right,
Speaker 5: let's learn a little bit more about you. You played
Speaker 5: college ball, William and Mary last Cardinal's affiliation. I remember
Speaker 5: was Mike Leech, Cardinals long snapper for a good decade.
Speaker 5: Great dude went to William and Mary and then you
Speaker 5: played for a college football coaching legend, didn't you detail that?
Speaker 9: Absolutely so, Jimmy Laycock was my head coach. If you've
Speaker 9: played at William and Mary, you've probably been coached by
Speaker 9: Jimmy Lacock. He was the head coach there for thirty
Speaker 9: nine years. I think he won two in the forty
Speaker 9: nine games.
Speaker 5: But just some of the names include Mike Tomlin and
Speaker 5: Sean McDermott.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, absolutely, There's there's been a lot of coaches that
Speaker 9: have come through there. You know, Dan Quinn was on
Speaker 9: one of his coaching staffs. You know, Joe Brady, the
Speaker 9: offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills, was a player.
Speaker 4: For him as well.
Speaker 9: So you know, there's been a lot of a lot
Speaker 9: of guys that have come through that program. There's a
Speaker 9: lot of pride that goes with that, you know, And
Speaker 9: I'm proud to be a tribe a lum.
Speaker 1: You know what's amazing about that. When I think of
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin and I think of Sean McDermott, I think
Speaker 1: of leaders of men. That's what I think was coach
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 9: He built a program, he built a standard, and everybody
Speaker 9: that walked in the building knew the standard, you know.
Speaker 4: And I grew so much in my time there.
Speaker 9: I arrived on campus as a as a school start
Speaker 9: walk on, so you know, I had to try out
Speaker 9: when I got there, and I learned the hard way,
Speaker 9: and nothing was really given to me. You know, when
Speaker 9: I my first day of practice, they ran out of
Speaker 9: practice Jersey, so I had a I had one of
Speaker 9: the ones in the back that didn't have a number
Speaker 9: on it. So I'm run out there without a number,
Speaker 9: you know. So I come from humble beginnings, from a
Speaker 9: from a collegiate athlete perspective, and then I was able
Speaker 9: to work my way up and eventually be a scholarship
Speaker 9: guy and a starter, you know.
Speaker 4: So it's it's it was.
Speaker 9: It was a cool journey and through the whole way,
Speaker 9: you know, I really looked at Jimmy Laycock as a
Speaker 9: leader and a guy that I could follow and emulate,
Speaker 9: and you know, it's there's there's many reasons why I
Speaker 9: got into coaching, but he was he was one of them.
Speaker 9: Just seeing how he ran that program and the impact
Speaker 9: that he had on a lot of guys.
Speaker 5: In high school. You went to the Blue Ridge School
Speaker 5: in Saint George, Virginia. I would not use the word
Speaker 5: humble for that one. I would use prestigious based on
Speaker 5: online that what sort of experience was that.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, I went there for my last three
Speaker 9: years of high school, got in there as a sophomore,
Speaker 9: and you know, I grew up with a single mother.
Speaker 9: It was just me and her, and you know, we
Speaker 9: made this decision. We thought it was the best thing
Speaker 9: for my future to go to this school. It was
Speaker 9: good academics and good athletics, and it's tucked away in
Speaker 9: the mountains of the western part of Virginia. And you know,
Speaker 9: it's definitely a different experience, you know, living on your
Speaker 9: own as a fourteen fifteen year old and being in
Speaker 9: a dorm, not going not riding a bus to school
Speaker 9: like I was used to. But it really taught me lessons,
Speaker 9: you know, and really prepared me for college. And you know,
Speaker 9: when I got to college as a freshman, my mother
Speaker 9: just dropped me off and left, like she didn't stay
Speaker 9: for any orientation or anything like that. Because I've been
Speaker 9: out the house the last couple of years, so I
Speaker 9: was you know, it kind of set me up and
Speaker 9: prepared me for walking on.
Speaker 4: At William and Mary. And you know, I was in
Speaker 4: the right head space at that time.
Speaker 9: I had matured enough to be able to understand that,
Speaker 9: all right, this isn't given to me.
Speaker 4: This is another challenge that I just have to.
Speaker 1: Overcome and coach. What position did you play?
Speaker 4: I played wide receiver and I played cornerback.
Speaker 1: Okay, wide receiver and cornerback, so two sides of one
Speaker 1: coin obviously.
Speaker 9: Yeah in high school. When I went to college, I
Speaker 9: played cornerback. Yeah, college, and I couldn't cover like Sean
Speaker 9: could run. Well, you know, they they tried to roll
Speaker 9: the safety over top of me because I wasn't as
Speaker 9: fast as I. They would have liked her to be
Speaker 9: cover too. We were playing a whole lot of Cover
Speaker 9: two to help it out. So I was definitely on
Speaker 9: the cloud.
Speaker 4: Side, all right.
Speaker 9: But but what I did, though, what I did because
Speaker 9: I had to ride that pine from you to tackle.
Speaker 4: Though I could, I could, I wasn't going to turn
Speaker 4: that down a little corner.
Speaker 9: I had that mentality, had I had a mentality about
Speaker 9: my game, you know, But it was for me. It
Speaker 9: was uh, I had to I had to sit and
Speaker 9: watch the first couple of years, first three to four years,
Speaker 9: and I was on scout team for for a couple
Speaker 9: of years. So I really learned a technique part of
Speaker 9: it because I could not have a misstep. If I
Speaker 9: stepped the wrong way, I was done. There was no
Speaker 9: recovery speed.
Speaker 1: And that helps you. Now though, Where's a coach.
Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely that prepared me and especially wanted me to
Speaker 9: Like in my mind, I was like when I when
Speaker 9: I graduated from Williamare, I felt like I could coach.
Speaker 9: I could coach corners at a high level just because
Speaker 9: the technique and the study that I that I had to.
Speaker 4: Do just to be able to touch the field.
Speaker 9: You know, with something that was able to grow my
Speaker 9: game from a knowledge a knowledge perspective that set me
Speaker 9: up to be a good coach.
Speaker 5: Well, you had three rookie corners last year get a
Speaker 5: lot of time, so you know, I mean it's to
Speaker 5: their benefit they have a technician as a coach. Give
Speaker 5: us a quick rapid fire thumbnail on Garrett Williams and
Speaker 5: what you saw last year and what he's supposed to
Speaker 5: do this year.
Speaker 9: Oh, Garrett is a pros pro and that was evident
Speaker 9: through the draft process last year. That was evident him
Speaker 9: showing up as a rookie. His mentality, his mindset, his determination.
Speaker 9: You know, he's going to be successful in whatever he does. Right,
Speaker 9: So for for him, like to speak on Garrett, I'm
Speaker 9: so excited for the future. He's put in so much work,
Speaker 9: you know, and then coming off the injury that he
Speaker 9: had in college, getting incorporated into the NFL game mid
Speaker 9: season there and then having a full off season of
Speaker 9: being in good health is you know, I think the
Speaker 9: sky is the limit for Garrett Williams.
Speaker 5: And give us a quick skun report on Key Troll Clark,
Speaker 5: especially since you recruited him three different times in college
Speaker 5: at three different universities. Oh yeah, and you finally ended
Speaker 5: up together in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Oh you didn't know that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I was at Elon University recruiting Key Trail and uh,
Speaker 9: he told me no. And then then I then we
Speaker 9: move on to James Madison. So my head coach I
Speaker 9: was working for got the job at jam You going
Speaker 9: to JAMU was the same recruiting cycle, so I try
Speaker 9: to get him at the end of the recruiting cycle
Speaker 9: I was actually in his living room and he ends
Speaker 9: up committing to Liberty.
Speaker 4: During that process, he told us no, okay. So then
Speaker 4: then the next time, I was at Virginia Tech when
Speaker 4: he when he transferred from.
Speaker 9: Liberty after he bowed out as a freshman, balled out
Speaker 9: at as a freshman. I had just got the Virginia
Speaker 9: Tech and I was fighting tooth and nail for Key
Speaker 9: Traill and he says he's going to Louisville. So I
Speaker 9: was old for three and then when he came out
Speaker 9: here on his thirty visit, it was like almost felt
Speaker 9: like fate. And then we drafted him and we me
Speaker 9: and Key Trull, we talk all the time like, man,
Speaker 9: this is it is crazy how things shook out.
Speaker 4: It was almost like it was meant to be.
Speaker 9: WHOA yeah, yeah, So me and Key Trull go go
Speaker 9: go back pretty far.
Speaker 5: He began last year as a starter and then there's
Speaker 5: playing time declined. If there's one takeaway, one area of
Speaker 5: his game where he can get better going into year two,
Speaker 5: what would it be?
Speaker 9: Well, I think truth, he's he's he's he's a guy
Speaker 9: that has worked on every part of his game that
Speaker 9: he thought that or that and we've talked about that
Speaker 9: he can improve on, like coming in and getting thrown
Speaker 9: in the.
Speaker 4: Fire as a rookie.
Speaker 9: You know, he's faced a lot of adversity and you know,
Speaker 9: as we talked about at the beginning of this this show,
Speaker 9: is resiliency is one of the critical factors of being
Speaker 9: a high level corner. And we're talking about a guy
Speaker 9: who was a rookie that's you know, that started last year,
Speaker 9: you know, beat those odds, beat guys out in camp,
Speaker 9: and started the year as a starter, you know, and
Speaker 9: to be able to endure what he what he endured
Speaker 9: right not playing towards the end of the year. This
Speaker 9: guy's man, he's in a headset or a headspace and
Speaker 9: a mindset that he's he's.
Speaker 4: Hungry, and you know, I'm proud of him.
Speaker 9: Of his maturity level and how he how he handled everything,
Speaker 9: and I'm excited to see how he's gonna respond and
Speaker 9: how he shows up for OTAs.
Speaker 1: How do you coach a guy when you know that
Speaker 1: he's got to be confident and resilient, and you know
Speaker 1: that confidence is going to help him be resilient, yet
Speaker 1: at the same time, you got to tell him the truth.
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I mean, you've got to You've got to
Speaker 9: tell him the hard truth right in the NFL.
Speaker 4: And what I've learned is be upfront and honest with guys.
Speaker 9: But the thing that helps helps us out, especially the
Speaker 9: guy like he Trail and even I'm even Star, even
Speaker 9: Devar Wilson Newt like we have those conversations.
Speaker 4: We're not running from those conversations.
Speaker 9: We're willing to address the problem, face it head on,
Speaker 9: and then continue to grow our relationships as we as
Speaker 9: we as.
Speaker 4: We continue to grow. That's that side of their game.
Speaker 1: Coach, Thank you, coach. We enjoyed it, really appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 5: If his mom, by the way, served as a senior
Speaker 5: chief in the US Navy, you could use some of
Speaker 5: that discipline as a young man growing up.
Speaker 1: And dude, thank you. Coach.
Speaker 5: Ryan Smith joined us here on the Big Red Rage.
Speaker 5: We continue all presented by santan Ford and Gilbert.
Speaker 3: And up up the middle, b j o Jalari is
Speaker 3: there to grab Rodriguez at the line of scrimmage. Snapped
Speaker 3: the jackson he's gonna throw from the pocket, looking in trouble,
Speaker 3: wrapped up and thrown down for a sack. Pjo Jalari
Speaker 3: gets his first sack. The rookie out of LSU gets
Speaker 3: a big sack here on Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: Closed down Lamar Jackson quickly and got the sack. That
Speaker 1: is big time by bj.
Speaker 3: Heinecke playfake in trouble hits had sacked by bj Ojalari
Speaker 3: back at the ten yard line, a loss of.
Speaker 1: About ten oh. That is a big sack.
Speaker 3: Back to pass goes Heinikey with time now the pocket
Speaker 3: collapses head Heinicky sack back at the nine yard line.
Speaker 3: Bj o Jalari having a breakout game with his second
Speaker 3: sack forcing a punt.
Speaker 1: All the rookie once again would not be denied.
Speaker 5: That following week, in the back right corner of the
Speaker 5: Cardinals locker room, the guys are calling a two sack
Speaker 5: Laurie bj Ojalai two sack Laurie. And if there is
Speaker 5: one guy who could take that big step in year two,
Speaker 5: my vote would be for bj Ojelari because the Cardinals
Speaker 5: as a defense need to get to the quarterback. They
Speaker 5: need that pass rusher. The other team has to account for,
Speaker 5: where are you gonna get that guy? Well, these days
Speaker 5: try and trade for that guy out to cost you
Speaker 5: almost as much as a quarterback and then try and
Speaker 5: find that guy in free agency. They don't exist, and
Speaker 5: if they do end up in free agency, they get
Speaker 5: ridiculous money. The latest this week is Josh Allen a
Speaker 5: Jacksonville five years, one hundred and fifty million, eighty eight
Speaker 5: million gaeron tied so here on the Big Red Rage
Speaker 5: presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert Paul Calvici Ron Wolfley
Speaker 5: in special thanks to get to Cardinals cornerbacks coach Ryan
Speaker 5: Smith Wolfe. To what degree is getting an edge rusher
Speaker 5: a priority in this year's draft?
Speaker 1: Well, it is critical, Paul. I think there's no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. We're talking about wide receiver, we're talking about corner,
Speaker 1: we're talking about edge, and we're talking about interior offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, those are the top four
Speaker 1: needs for the Arizona Cardinals right there. And when you
Speaker 1: talk about edge, first of all, I just want to
Speaker 1: say Bjogelei. I expect bj to get significantly better this year.
Speaker 1: He's that type of player ball. This is who he is.
Speaker 1: He's got a great football IQ. First of all, he
Speaker 1: loves the game and he's really really smart. To me,
Speaker 1: you're gonna take your lumps as a rookie. You're gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and do that. And I think bj took
Speaker 1: his loomps as a rookie at a hard start as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, getting out of the practice field
Speaker 1: to actually start, so that really set him back as well.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a bit of a
Speaker 1: late bloomer on this so I think we're gonna see
Speaker 1: him really grow in year number two. I'm expecting that
Speaker 1: he can set the edge and he can get the edge.
Speaker 5: Yet four sex total in limited playing time. Some of
Speaker 5: that dude injury got a late start on the year,
Speaker 5: got a late start during the regular season. Even so,
Speaker 5: his position coach ab Rodriguez saw enough to be happy
Speaker 5: with the progress.
Speaker 8: That kid has had to work so hard, and people
Speaker 8: don't realize that's why rookies who come into this league
Speaker 8: don't just jump in here and start rushing the passers,
Speaker 8: because they need to learn how to rush with the
Speaker 8: proper angles.
Speaker 4: You can't just run around people in this league.
Speaker 8: You're not going to play a Division one DOAA team
Speaker 8: every four weeks and get a couple of sacks. That's
Speaker 8: not how it works.
Speaker 1: You have to fight.
Speaker 8: You're playing against the best every week. That kid has
Speaker 8: had to get healthy, he's had to mature in this league,
Speaker 8: and he's had to learn those things, and it is
Speaker 8: a child by fire. It's an uncomfortability for such a
Speaker 8: long period of time, some guys can start to doubt themselves.
Speaker 8: This guy's had such a great head on his shoulders
Speaker 8: and he's just worked his butt off.
Speaker 5: I know Kyle Vanenbosch on the Red Sea Report has
Speaker 5: said repeatedly really likes what he saw in film, what
Speaker 5: he saw in the field from bjo Joli. Hear ago
Speaker 5: and look, Cardinals have to get better in that department.
Speaker 5: Not only did they have one sack in the final
Speaker 5: six games, which we keep citing, right, but if it's
Speaker 5: about affecting the quarterback, as Jonathan Gannon says, now, oh
Speaker 5: doesn't always come down to just the sack numbers. Realized
Speaker 5: that the Cardinals as a defense allowed this second highest
Speaker 5: passer rating in the NFL last year, and they allowed
Speaker 5: the second highest completion percentage to opposing quarterbacks. So I'm
Speaker 5: guessing a lot of that is tied into how much
Speaker 5: time those quarterbacks had to throw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paula, You're right about that, no doubt but I
Speaker 1: also would say, let's go to rundown situation as well,
Speaker 1: first and ten, second and one to six. The Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinals were the last team in the league in terms
Speaker 1: of stopping the run. Wow, and you know that. So again,
Speaker 1: many times these offenses weren't very good situation to go
Speaker 1: ahead and convert on third down. And a lot of
Speaker 1: these situations, it all starts with being able to stop
Speaker 1: the run. That's one of the reasons why your edge
Speaker 1: guy has got to be capable of setting that edge,
Speaker 1: being very very physical on that edge, and also being
Speaker 1: a guy that can get off blocks and make a
Speaker 1: play as well, because it all starts there. And that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I'm encouraged with bjo Jalari.
Speaker 5: So let me ask you this then, b jo Jilari
Speaker 5: Xavin Collins, who figures to be in a contract year,
Speaker 5: Dennis Gardak, I mean, you have dudes, highly drafted dudes
Speaker 5: in the first two at the position. If you're sitting there,
Speaker 5: either at twenty seven or because of a trade, you
Speaker 5: end up in the middle of the first round. Are
Speaker 5: you going after a Byron Murphy the second a game
Speaker 5: wrecking defensive tackle before you go for the edge because
Speaker 5: it starts from the inside out.
Speaker 1: You know where I'm going on that one. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just PAULI honestly right now, I do believe edge
Speaker 1: is a huge area of need. But if you tell
Speaker 1: me Byron Murphy is sitting there, we're talking about a
Speaker 1: three technique, a guy that is the Listen, the most
Speaker 1: difficult thing to stop in the football universe is a
Speaker 1: destructive three technique. That's all I'm saying right now. If
Speaker 1: he were there in that situation, I would have to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: even though I don't think it's this massive area of
Speaker 1: need for the Arizona Cardinals after free agency and what
Speaker 1: they did in free agency, if Byron Murphy was there
Speaker 1: in the middle of the round and you were gonna draft,
Speaker 1: I might say, Okay, hey, we got a wrecking ball.
Speaker 1: And you know the way I feel about that, because
Speaker 1: those three techniques they impact not only the running game
Speaker 1: big time with the blocking schemes and rundown situation, but
Speaker 1: also that interior push that has become so important in
Speaker 1: today's NFL to be able to get in the face
Speaker 1: of a quarterback and do it in the interior, in
Speaker 1: that interior pocket.
Speaker 5: Because this draft does not have an edge rusher by
Speaker 5: most estimates worthy of number four. Overall. There's no Miles Garrett,
Speaker 5: there's no Nick Bosa. Right the guys that are considered
Speaker 5: the top edge rushers in this draft at best are
Speaker 5: going tenth, eleventh, or twelfth. Whether it's Dallas Turner, Leatu Latu,
Speaker 5: whether it's Chop Robinson, Jared Burse, these are all guys
Speaker 5: who are projected to go in the middle of the
Speaker 5: first round at best for the most part.
Speaker 1: You know, it's also interesting to Paul. I saw a
Speaker 1: lot of mock drafts that had Chop Robinson right around
Speaker 1: twenty three. I'm just saying, you know what, Hey, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: not saying anything. I'm not trying to tip off my
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form in regard to pulling
Speaker 1: off some type of trade. But I'm just saying, at
Speaker 1: twenty three interesting.
Speaker 5: What's interesting is that Cardinals don't currently own twenty three.
Speaker 1: That's the Vikings mixed exception. You're already I get assumption, sumption.
Speaker 5: That's exactly they're trading out of four and doing a
Speaker 5: package with the Vikings to get eleven and twenty three
Speaker 5: and twenty seven.
Speaker 1: PAULI, is that karma is that? What is that an omen?
Speaker 4: Paul?
Speaker 1: What would you call that?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 5: So, Carbinger, think about that. If you're at eleven and
Speaker 5: you go, oh, I don't know, you go with a
Speaker 5: top corner in the draft, harry On Arnold or a
Speaker 5: Quinyan Mitchell, and then at twenty three you go with
Speaker 5: a Byron Murphy the second and or a Chop Robinson.
Speaker 5: And then at twenty seven you probably won't get Byron
Speaker 5: Murphy the second, but maybe you get a Braidon Fisk
Speaker 5: out of Florida State, you get a.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a Grand Barton there. I'm not twenty so.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about defense in front here.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Bali, I'm just talking about the first round.
Speaker 5: See to me, you could go the whole first round
Speaker 5: and get three defensive building blocks corner, D, line and edge.
Speaker 5: You're right, and then wait to get receiver at thirty five.
Speaker 5: I think that's where we differ. Yeah, we do differ there, PAULI.
Speaker 5: That's great.
Speaker 1: You could go ahead and you know you're gonna build
Speaker 1: the defense on all three levels. Paul, that's great. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get Kyler somebody to throw the ball to.
Speaker 5: How effective was justin Jefferson last year after the quarterback
Speaker 5: went down. Okay, receivers don't make the quarterback. Quarterbacks make
Speaker 5: the receivers.
Speaker 1: And then when you're a young guy, though, you need
Speaker 1: that so badly. You need a guy who knows what
Speaker 1: he's doing, who can get open because that allows you
Speaker 1: to go through your read and get the ball out quicker.
Speaker 5: Right, do you know deep this draft is in tackles
Speaker 5: and receivers?
Speaker 4: Do you know? Do you do?
Speaker 5: I have to break out the list of the All
Speaker 5: Pro and Pro Bowl receivers who are not drafted in
Speaker 5: the first round. I'm just saying, there is so much
Speaker 5: telly beyond the big three at the receiver position. I'm
Speaker 5: willing to wait because you have so many other pressing
Speaker 5: needs in so many different spots. And guess what, the
Speaker 5: supply isn't nearly what it is a receiver. The supply
Speaker 5: is much much less at some of these other spots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the nineteen eighty five draft, there was a
Speaker 1: full back. His name was Ricky Moore from Alabama, Okay,
Speaker 1: and then the next full back taken was Ron wolf
Speaker 1: Lee from West Virginia, Paul. There was a massive difference
Speaker 1: between those guys. You go ahead. You've gotta sometimes just
Speaker 1: eat it and draft the better guy. All right.
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Speaker 11: As a draft was coming up, I had my family
Speaker 11: come down. We were having some fun parties and living
Speaker 11: it up because this was a moment that you know,
Speaker 11: you don't get an experience but once.
Speaker 4: In your life.
Speaker 11: And we had a tea time, me and my brothers
Speaker 11: and my dad that morning, and everybody was like, you're
Speaker 11: going to miss the draft. They're going to call your name.
Speaker 11: You're going to be on the golf course. I said,
Speaker 11: don't worry, I'm not going in the first round. I
Speaker 11: knew that I wasn't going to be a first round pick.
Speaker 1: We went and played golf.
Speaker 11: I was extremely tired from partying two three nights prior.
Speaker 11: So I was I went to a back room at
Speaker 11: the hotel we were at. There's still five picks in
Speaker 11: the first round. I'm going to go lay down. I'm
Speaker 11: going to catch a little sleep. And so I was
Speaker 11: asleep when I got drafted.
Speaker 5: Jake Plummer, known for being ultra cool, calm clutch. He
Speaker 5: wasn't even awake when his name was called forty second overall,
Speaker 5: the Arizona Cardinal's second round pick, unknown to Jake until
Speaker 5: his agent came.
Speaker 1: In day've done.
Speaker 11: Came and tapped me on the shoulder and woke me up,
Speaker 11: and I and I came to He said, hey man,
Speaker 11: you're you're an Arizona Cardinal. I said, oh wow, okay.
Speaker 5: And now you understand why Jake was so clutch in
Speaker 5: the clutch in the fourth quarter, because he was so cool,
Speaker 5: nothing rattled him. Chill, Chill, brouh And I tell you
Speaker 5: that is Jake Plumber, Unfiltered, unplugged. And if you go
Speaker 5: search wherever your favorite podcast, go search Cardinals Folktales Drafting
Speaker 5: Jake and it's the story of his pick in the
Speaker 5: second round of the nineteen ninety seven draft. And by
Speaker 5: the end of his second season, guess what, the Cardinals
Speaker 5: had their first playoff win in nearly half a century.
Speaker 5: Great story. Cardinals would add Pat Tillman, his teammate at
Speaker 5: ASU and the very next draft and the rest is history.
Speaker 5: As they say, we're wrapping up this edition of the
Speaker 5: Arizona Cardinal's Big Red Rage Special. Thanks again to the
Speaker 5: cornerbacks coach Ryan Smith for joining us earlier. Right, he
Speaker 5: had a bunch of rookies in his room a year ago. Wolf,
Speaker 5: what's your draft mean? Where were I don't know if
Speaker 5: I ever heard this. Where were you when your name
Speaker 5: was called in the fourth round nineteen eighty five?
Speaker 1: Yeah, PAULI you know what. I was in West Virginia,
Speaker 1: West by God Virginia, of course, getting ready to actually
Speaker 1: move back, had a U haul. I was packing up
Speaker 1: on draft day and I watched the first couple of
Speaker 1: rounds and my agent told me, ment, you could go
Speaker 1: as high as round three, and I laughed at him, Ah,
Speaker 1: you're just so full of bit And I also thought,
Speaker 1: you know, I could go as late as round seven
Speaker 1: or eight somewhere in there. Then Bill Parcells called me.
Speaker 1: He called me before the draft started. Bill Parcells, and
Speaker 1: he said, Ron, I just want you to know right now,
Speaker 1: if you don't get drafted today, we'd love to have you.
Speaker 4: That's what he said.
Speaker 1: Bill Parson thought it's a totally true story right there.
Speaker 1: Of course, what happened was Larry Wilson of the then
Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals picked up the phone and called me
Speaker 1: and said, Ron, this is Larry Wilson and we're getting
Speaker 1: ready to draft you here in the fourth round, one
Speaker 1: hundred and fourth overall. And I said, this isn't Larry.
Speaker 1: I did no. I came on. I thought it was
Speaker 1: one of my boys, one of my buddies, actually playing
Speaker 1: a prank on me. I said, this isn't Larry. He said, no, Ron,
Speaker 1: this is this is this is Larry Wilson of the
Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinal You know. I.
Speaker 5: By the way, kids, they didn't have caller ID in
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty five, that's right, So it was common for
Speaker 5: kids in college to bust on each other with these pranks.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and.
Speaker 1: That's the way that went. But the best one I
Speaker 1: have to tell you, and I hope I have time
Speaker 1: for this, is when Craig was drafted by the four
Speaker 1: time Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 7: Hello.
Speaker 1: We had the whole family at forty five Hotson Road
Speaker 1: in Orchard Park, New York. There they all were Pully,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the phone rings. Craig had
Speaker 1: walked out because he thought he was going to go
Speaker 1: in the third round and we were we were literally
Speaker 1: there in the sixth round, right, and it was going
Speaker 1: on and it was the I'm sorry, the fifth round,
Speaker 1: and he was nervous and he walked out of there
Speaker 1: and suddenly the phone rang. My sister Joy My answers
Speaker 1: the phone, and she's saying, okay, yes, all right, why okay,
Speaker 1: who is this? Okay? And all of a sudden she's
Speaker 1: giving us the thumbs down like this. Come to find out.
Speaker 1: She hangs up the phone and we're like, what who
Speaker 1: was it? She said it was the Steelers, they drafted
Speaker 1: him in the fifth round. We were like, why are
Speaker 1: you giving us the thumbs down on this on the
Speaker 1: phone call? She said it wasn't the Bills. Oh that's
Speaker 1: what That's what she said, Paul. Here it was the
Speaker 1: four times Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers, who had just
Speaker 1: drafted Craig in the fifth round. Oh my goodness, he
Speaker 1: had gone for a walk in our and in a
Speaker 1: gravel pit in our backyard. We drove down that gravel
Speaker 1: pit and we greg you got drafted. He just fell
Speaker 1: to the ground. It was really incredible.
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, your sister hung up on Chuck Noll.
Speaker 1: Chuck Noll basically just was giving it a thumb down,
Speaker 1: you know, and they.
Speaker 5: Stinks get out the hometown bills didn't take them. Then
Speaker 5: you know, Okay, it's uh no, that's that's good.
Speaker 1: That's the way that it goes. Man, it really is.
Speaker 1: It's one of those days you're not going to soon forget.
Speaker 5: And look the last two years the Cardinals have executed
Speaker 5: trades in round one Hollywood Brown two years ago, then
Speaker 5: of course last year trading down from three to twelve,
Speaker 5: coming back up to six. It's amazing how many of
Speaker 5: these mock drafts have Mani Jasiford doing the exact same thing,
Speaker 5: training out of four and then coming back up to
Speaker 5: get one of the big three receivers around six or seven.
Speaker 1: I would also say it's very interesting to see the
Speaker 1: way this has been a paradigm shift here because when
Speaker 1: the mock drafts were first coming out, is that Noah Brighter.
Speaker 1: It's Marvin Harrison Junior to the Arizona Cardinals at number four. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everybody is on that bandwagon.
Speaker 5: Well, three first round picks? Do you pull the trigger?
Speaker 5: If you're Moni and you get three first round picks?
Speaker 5: Do you trade out?
Speaker 1: Sold?
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