WEBVTT - Big Red Rage - Coach Ryan Smith Expects Growth From Young Cardinals Cornerbacks

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 4>That leash the flore.

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<v Speaker 5>Not too long ago, when the SpaceX rocket blew up, unmanned,

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<v Speaker 5>no injuries, they didn't say at SpaceX, dang our billion

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<v Speaker 5>dollar rocket blew up. SpaceX actually issued a statement and

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<v Speaker 5>they called it and I quote, a rapid unscheduled disassembly.

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<v Speaker 5>I bring that up because the same thing goes for

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<v Speaker 5>the NFL Draft. You can be sitting in your NFL

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<v Speaker 5>war room and you could have your plans all laid

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<v Speaker 5>out for months and months, and you think it's going

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<v Speaker 5>one way, and then come home a rapid, unscheduled disassembly

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<v Speaker 5>happens while you're on the clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Also known buy as a wedge bust. Just sayence, just saying.

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<v Speaker 5>It's one reason that the NFL Draft is on four

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<v Speaker 5>kind of four different networks this year. It's on ABC, ESPN,

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<v Speaker 5>NFL Network in ESPN Deportees because it is the original

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<v Speaker 5>reality TV and it goes down in real time and

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<v Speaker 5>we are here to cover it all the way up

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<v Speaker 5>until Draft night. It is the big red Rage. Paul Calvi,

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<v Speaker 5>you se Ron Wolfy all presented by santan Ford and

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<v Speaker 5>Gilbert We are santan Ford soon to be joined by

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<v Speaker 5>Cardinals cornerback coach Ryan Smith Ron Wolfley. Would you say

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<v Speaker 5>cornerback would be an area of need slash want in

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<v Speaker 5>this draft as.

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<v Speaker 1>A matter of fact, Paulie, I think there's no doubt

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<v Speaker 1>about that. I think it's one of the biggest needs

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<v Speaker 1>for the Arizona Cardinals. I see four really big needs,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think they have a need for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>in almost every area not called quarterback for the most part, Paully,

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<v Speaker 1>But I do see that. I see corner being a

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<v Speaker 1>big need right now, and it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise. It's that way for many many teams in

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<v Speaker 1>the National Football League going through a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>flex if you will, becoming very flexible in regard to

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<v Speaker 1>the type of corner that you have to have in

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<v Speaker 1>today's NFL. You've got to have a guy that can

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<v Speaker 1>play that pressman cover, and you also have to have

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that can actually play in a zone room

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<v Speaker 1>because that many times is where picks happened.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I made at number one on my

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<v Speaker 5>big board, the big board of wants and needs number one.

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<v Speaker 5>You know why, because you have one proven corner and

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<v Speaker 5>every team needs at least three, if not four. Now

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<v Speaker 5>you have Garrett Williams, who's coming off a pretty darn

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<v Speaker 5>good rookie season. But beyond Sean Murphy bunting Cardinals are

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<v Speaker 5>in the market, we'll get into corner.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of one, though, Paul, what are you gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>for one? Being Kyler Murray meaning a wide receiver of course, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I see, what are you going to do for one?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, if you're Mike Tannenbaum, and I bring this up

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<v Speaker 5>because we're going to get into some of these mock drafts.

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<v Speaker 5>This is my favorite slash worst mock draft of the

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<v Speaker 5>mock draft season. If you don't recall a month ago

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<v Speaker 5>or so, he had the Cardinals drafting JJ McCarthy at

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<v Speaker 5>number four. Let there be a fourth QB he had

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<v Speaker 5>going to the Cardinals. They then traded Kyler Murray a

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<v Speaker 5>third round pick to Minnesota for number eleven and twenty three.

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<v Speaker 5>Cardinals with then draft Quinny and Mitchell at eleven and

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<v Speaker 5>then get Ladd McConkie at number twenty seven. So if

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<v Speaker 5>you were a follow that and the only reason to

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<v Speaker 5>bring this up is because he's a former NFL GM,

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<v Speaker 5>otherwise I would ignore this. But if you were to

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<v Speaker 5>follow that formula, you end up with JJ McCarthy and

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<v Speaker 5>Ladd McConkie instead of Kyler Murray and Marvin Harrison Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was he doing, bawd. We all know what

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing. We all know what my data Bob

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<v Speaker 1>was doing. Look everybody click here, please.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, go on, all right, so let's ignore that. Let's

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<v Speaker 5>go to another former NFL GM, Scott Pioli on NFL

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<v Speaker 5>Network and he's just sort of breaking down what this

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<v Speaker 5>two week stretch up to draft night looks like in.

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<v Speaker 4>A war room.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a lot of little detail work that needs to

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<v Speaker 6>get done at this point in time, but the work

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<v Speaker 6>that's being done on your front board shouldn't really exist.

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<v Speaker 6>The top players you should know exactly where they're at.

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<v Speaker 6>You're just doing a little bit of clean up work

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<v Speaker 6>on some of those top players and you've got the

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<v Speaker 6>final thirty visits coming to your team. You've got private

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<v Speaker 6>workouts that you do.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 6>The other thing is this you're thinking about strategy. There's

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<v Speaker 6>the evaluation process of the draft, and then you have strategy.

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<v Speaker 6>So you're spending a lot of time on the phone

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<v Speaker 6>with your close friends in the industry that are either

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<v Speaker 6>coaches meaning head coaches or general managers, trying to figure

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<v Speaker 6>out where you may be able to find value in trades.

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<v Speaker 4>Ahha, Do you.

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<v Speaker 5>Think the Cardinals are in the market for a potential

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<v Speaker 5>trade at number four?

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<v Speaker 1>Ron WOLFLINGK, Yes, I do. I think you have to

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<v Speaker 1>plow the road for the most part, Pauli, this is

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<v Speaker 1>where you're going to pick up the phone. You're just

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<v Speaker 1>going to call a guy and say, hey, listen, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not doing this today, but would you be interested would

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<v Speaker 1>you be if I gave you this kind of scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>would you be interested in being part of that scenario?

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<v Speaker 1>So I think you're going to plow the road a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit at this point in time, Paulie, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would also say, right now, you're still setting your boards.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I think, because there are still some interviews

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<v Speaker 1>that are going on with the Top Thirty interviews, I

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<v Speaker 1>think your board is close to being set, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it is set at this point in time,

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<v Speaker 1>not quite yet.

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<v Speaker 5>And if you track all the reports, and Craig Grielu

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<v Speaker 5>does just that and does a spectacular job, there are

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<v Speaker 5>nearly thirty Top thirty visits that have occurred for the Cardinals,

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<v Speaker 5>They've almost completed all of them. And if you follow

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<v Speaker 5>all the reports, one quarter of those visits have been

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<v Speaker 5>by receivers. Wow, including the Big Three. Okay, so all right,

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<v Speaker 5>where does that leave the Cardinals? Will they even be

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<v Speaker 5>there at number four to take one of the Big Three?

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<v Speaker 5>Do they go down to six with the New York

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<v Speaker 5>Giants and then still nab one of the Big Three?

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<v Speaker 5>Or do they go all the way down to eleven,

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<v Speaker 5>because would you agree that the most noise in terms

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<v Speaker 5>of a potential trade partner is coming on in Minnesota. No,

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<v Speaker 5>not about it, bully, all right, so theyre gm Quasia.

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<v Speaker 5>Dolfo Mensa. There he was earlier today meeting the media,

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<v Speaker 5>and here's what he had to say, just on risk

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<v Speaker 5>associated with moving up for a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I think just because something's risky doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 7>you have to stay away from it. There's a it's

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<v Speaker 7>it's something that is hard to grasp. But if you

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<v Speaker 7>grasp it, you know what the rewards are, right, and

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<v Speaker 7>that's something you have to weigh and measure. You can't

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<v Speaker 7>look at these decisions in the vacuum, you know, you

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<v Speaker 7>look at the whole portfolio of decisions that go around it,

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<v Speaker 7>the things you have to do. But just because something's

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<v Speaker 7>risky doesn't mean you know, you're scared from it, you're

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<v Speaker 7>scared of it. It's uncertain, right, it's uncertain, and we

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<v Speaker 7>got to we gotta take our swing. But that doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>give us any pause.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, mister Rodolpho Mensu, I guess he's moving up, Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the way you translated that? Right there?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you know, just say that's sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 5>just like SpaceX. Instead of saying our rocket blew up,

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<v Speaker 5>they called it a rapid unscheduled disassembly. That's the way

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<v Speaker 5>the Vikings GM said, you know what, we're taking a swing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, at some point it's time, PAULI don't you

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<v Speaker 1>try to hide your true intention at some point he's

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<v Speaker 1>coming up. I'm just saying right now, there's still doubt

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<v Speaker 1>about it. The Minnesota Vikings have targeted the top five

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<v Speaker 1>and they're coming. You just better get out of the

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<v Speaker 1>way right now.

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<v Speaker 5>And guess what.

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<v Speaker 1>What's it gonna take.

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<v Speaker 5>Guess what, mister Quacy, here's the deal. If you wait

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<v Speaker 5>till five, or you try and do a deal with

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<v Speaker 5>the LA Chargers, well, guess what. There are four and

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<v Speaker 5>only four franchise quarterbacks that you can be certain of. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>you can wait around for Michael Pennix or bow Nicks

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<v Speaker 5>or what have you. But in this case, let there

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<v Speaker 5>be a fourth QB. And if indeed, JJ McCarthy is

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<v Speaker 5>that guy. And there are plenty, plenty of mock drafts

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<v Speaker 5>that have JJ McCarthy going number two to Washington, by

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<v Speaker 5>the way, including Tom pellisera who reported at the league.

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<v Speaker 1>Karni, you know that's real, believe it. Yes, And Paulie,

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<v Speaker 1>the best part of all of this discussion right now

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<v Speaker 1>is the fact that Arizona Cardinals are sitting in what

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<v Speaker 1>I do believe is the cat bird seat, yep of

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<v Speaker 1>this draft, being there at number four. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>what's best about that, Money doesn't have to do anything

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<v Speaker 1>because we'll sit right where we are and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get an impact player. Now a lot of us, we

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<v Speaker 1>all kind of think it's gonna be a wide receiver,

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<v Speaker 1>and we all kind of think, you know what, it

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<v Speaker 1>could be Marvin Harrison junior. Okay, now, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of there's a lot of debate that is going on

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<v Speaker 1>out there, a huge narrative surrounding that pick at number four.

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<v Speaker 1>But to me, the good news is Mani doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything. You do, though, and that's why he's

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<v Speaker 1>in a great spot.

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<v Speaker 5>And look, if he doesn't do something in Minnesota, there's Denver,

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<v Speaker 5>there's the New York Giants, there's the Raiders. So there's

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<v Speaker 5>enough suitors, enough teams desperate for a quarterback. And if

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<v Speaker 5>next year's draft doesn't have any, the best quarterback in

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<v Speaker 5>next year's draft is first named Jack, last name Squat.

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<v Speaker 5>Then all of a sudden, guess what, the price goes up?

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<v Speaker 5>And there are multiple reports now the Mania support is

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<v Speaker 5>looking for three count them, three first round picks, looking

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<v Speaker 5>for the whole Trey Lance deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna say, why would you not start there?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, think about it. Are the Vikings really going to

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<v Speaker 5>go through all the next season with Sam Darnold, Nick

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<v Speaker 5>Mullins and Jaren Hall.

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<v Speaker 1>In their quarterback round? A nice four?

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<v Speaker 5>Broh Denver is gonna come out of the gates with

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<v Speaker 5>Jared Stidham and Ben Denucci.

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<v Speaker 3>Really?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, your season's over before it starts. So guess what.

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<v Speaker 5>There are teams that you can leverage against each other.

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<v Speaker 5>There's limited supply, there's plenty of demand. And this year,

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<v Speaker 5>unlike a year ago when you traded out and Will

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<v Speaker 5>Anderson was a target, this is a quarterback, so there

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<v Speaker 5>will be a quarterback surcharger, quarterback kicker.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna cost you.

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<v Speaker 5>And by the way, this whole thing is building towards

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<v Speaker 5>the ears on a Cardinals Draft party all presented by

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<v Speaker 5>Arizona four Dealers. It is Thursday, April twenty fifth, on

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<v Speaker 5>the Great lawn all right. Been doing this for a

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<v Speaker 5>decade plus. It is a great time. You can see players,

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<v Speaker 5>you can hear from draft picks, coaches, cheerleaders, Big Red.

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<v Speaker 5>For all the details, go to aisycardinals dot com slash

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<v Speaker 5>Draft Party Up next. Cardinals quarterbacks coach Ryan Smith on

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<v Speaker 5>In Gilbert.

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<v Speaker 3>Pit's intercept of the thirty down the sideline to the

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<v Speaker 3>fifty yard line, it's Murphy bunty to the thirty to

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty to the fifteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Of his hand.

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<v Speaker 3>Sean Purfy punting is my hero tips down to a pick.

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<v Speaker 2>Six piney can it deflicted and it looks like it's intercepted.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Murphy bunting up the hands down there and seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five a box and it's Murphy bunting down the sideline,

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<v Speaker 1>mine brush going down the middle and it was intercepted

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<v Speaker 1>on a falling down tip.

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<v Speaker 8>Sean Murphy bunting pads just picked off the pass of

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<v Speaker 8>Aaron Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 4>Puffles up on the far side and it scoops down.

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<v Speaker 3>It's picked up by Murphy bunting running right ti left

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<v Speaker 3>at the thirty home story, Oh I.

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<v Speaker 7>Throw an interception and on the return Sean Murphy Bunting.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's a pick right on Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>Sean Murphy Bunting and boring his hit lost the ball.

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<v Speaker 4>The Tights had picked it up and bawling on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Inside the twenty is Murphy Bunny.

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<v Speaker 4>He ripped it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Murphy Bunting has made the play.

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<v Speaker 5>He might have caught the voice of Dave passionate voice

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<v Speaker 5>of the Cardinals. And he figures to call the name

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<v Speaker 5>Sean Murphy Bunting a lot more this coming season. Ron Wolfe,

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<v Speaker 5>would you say, if you're a cornerback, you need to

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<v Speaker 5>be able.

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<v Speaker 1>To compete, Yeah, Pauli, I would say that's a very

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<v Speaker 1>very good trait for a corner.

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<v Speaker 5>Because a few weeks ago, when Shawn Murphy Bunting was

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<v Speaker 5>our guest in the Big Red Rage about five feet

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<v Speaker 5>to your left, he got up after the segment and

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<v Speaker 5>he wanted to show us how he could do the

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<v Speaker 5>kip up like Buddha Baker, and he literally did it

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<v Speaker 5>right on the court right here, and he said he's

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<v Speaker 5>working on it. He's only three weeks in. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 5>have it down by training camping. He's going to compete

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<v Speaker 5>with Buddha in the kip up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, PAULI, I'll do that after we talked

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<v Speaker 1>to coach.

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<v Speaker 5>No, you won't. No, but that is our segue. Ryan

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<v Speaker 5>Smith is our guest Cardinals cornerbacks coach. Coach, how are

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<v Speaker 5>we doing?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing well? Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 5>He is that sort of guy, isn't he? Sean Murphy

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<v Speaker 5>Bunting effect. When he was asked by the media about

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<v Speaker 5>his connection with Cardinals coaches, he said he saw something

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<v Speaker 5>to me that I saw in myself. And someone followed

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<v Speaker 5>up on that, and then he went into how he

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<v Speaker 5>is a competitor, and I'm just here. I'll just start

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<v Speaker 5>there the position itself. I mean, what does it require

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<v Speaker 5>to be a top notch corner.

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<v Speaker 9>I think you're hitting it right on the head. A competitor,

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<v Speaker 9>bottom line, right, A guy who can show up playing

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<v Speaker 9>in play out, day in day out and compete at

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<v Speaker 9>a high level, you know. And I think that's a

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<v Speaker 9>trait that you seek at seek out for that position,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, along with the confidence and the resiliency. I

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<v Speaker 9>think some traits that stick out when I think of

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<v Speaker 9>an elite corner.

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<v Speaker 1>So coach also too. One of the things I would

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<v Speaker 1>think is to have a versatile corner as well, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who could actually walk up over a receiver

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<v Speaker 1>and play some press man and actually hold up and

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<v Speaker 1>do well with that, also back off and play in

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<v Speaker 1>his own room as well, and actually makes some plays

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe even interception. That way, when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Murphy Bunting, what do you see in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>his physical talents, how does he hold up?

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, Shawn's got a skill set that really translates

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<v Speaker 9>to a high level corner in this league. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>there's things that he can do with the line of scrimmage,

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<v Speaker 9>his coverage, his zone instincts, his awareness, you know, things

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<v Speaker 9>that really translated in So we saw that in him

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<v Speaker 9>and in our evaluation during free agency, and it was

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<v Speaker 9>across the board from the personnel side to the coaching side.

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<v Speaker 9>We saw the traits that were there, and you know,

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<v Speaker 9>as a guy that can come in and really be

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<v Speaker 9>an impact guy on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Defense, versatility really matters to this coaching staff, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, versatility is huge from our philosophy of being

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<v Speaker 9>being a defense that can adapt to our personnel. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>you can put guys in different spots, put them in

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<v Speaker 9>different situations.

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<v Speaker 4>And a guy that like Sean who has the capacity to.

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<v Speaker 9>Learn and and can play different different techniques, different coverages.

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<v Speaker 9>And you see that on this film in Tampa Bay

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<v Speaker 9>and in Tennessee. And then you get down to the

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<v Speaker 9>nitty gritty and you talk to the people that's been

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<v Speaker 9>around him the last couple of years, and they all

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<v Speaker 9>spoke so highly of him and how he was as

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<v Speaker 9>a professional. You knew that he would come in and

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<v Speaker 9>he would be able to integrate this in this culture

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<v Speaker 9>pretty smoothly.

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<v Speaker 5>Cardinals cornerbacks coach Ryan Smith our guest here in the

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<v Speaker 5>Big Red Rage Presentabody, santan Ford and Gilbert. He started

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<v Speaker 5>as a nickel or slot corner in Tampa, really made

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<v Speaker 5>his mark. But the last couple of years he's played outside,

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<v Speaker 5>and it sounds like he wanted to play outside. He

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<v Speaker 5>wanted that challenge. Just how different they might be listed

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<v Speaker 5>as corners, But how different are those two spots inside

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<v Speaker 5>and outside?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I mean the guys on the outside, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>are are covering the outside bigger receivers. But you know what,

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<v Speaker 9>there's a lot of the skill set translates. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>you see him play on the inside and he's covering guys.

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<v Speaker 9>There's still man instincts that you've got to know and

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<v Speaker 9>you've got to be able to feel and do to

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<v Speaker 9>be able to to be able to cover in this league,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, because it's not like, Okay, I'm going from

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<v Speaker 9>the inside to the outside and I'm covering a lesser player.

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<v Speaker 4>The slots in this league are just as good as

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<v Speaker 4>the outside guys, you know.

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<v Speaker 9>And I think with Sean's versatility being able to play

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<v Speaker 9>inside and show that on tape, but also as a

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<v Speaker 9>guy that has the length to be able to challenge

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<v Speaker 9>number one receivers Excell and Z on the outside, I

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<v Speaker 9>think that's where his is really going to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Able to fit his skill set.

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<v Speaker 5>His backstory is amazing. He was a three sport athlete

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<v Speaker 5>in high school, and because he didn't do a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of the football camps and stuff, he was considered a

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<v Speaker 5>zero star recruit and they went to Central Michigan. By

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<v Speaker 5>the time he's done with college ball, he's a Round

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<v Speaker 5>two draft pick. I mean, miraculous, right the rise and

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<v Speaker 5>his game and once again we come back to the

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<v Speaker 5>competitor in him and what coaches saw on him. Here's

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<v Speaker 5>Sean Murphy bunting.

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<v Speaker 10>They see a dog pretty much playing as simple. They

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<v Speaker 10>see a guy that can go out there and shut

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<v Speaker 10>people down. And that's just what I see in myself,

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<v Speaker 10>and that's what I do. And so we believe in

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<v Speaker 10>the same philosophies. They want me to mix up some

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<v Speaker 10>things I know how. They want me to do certain

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<v Speaker 10>techniques that I know how to play. I know how

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<v Speaker 10>to play pretty much everything I've played in many different systems.

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<v Speaker 10>Lead by example, Lead the younger guys that they have

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<v Speaker 10>in the room, show them that everything is possible, but

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<v Speaker 10>at the same time having an experience behind it as

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<v Speaker 10>proof that everything that I'm saying is it's happened.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, an offense, JG says, no block, no rock.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're a receiver, you better block. If you're a corner,

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<v Speaker 5>you better tackle in this defense, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Coach, absolutely absolutely.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean you can't in the NFL, you can't hide, right,

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<v Speaker 9>So you've got to be able to as a corner.

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<v Speaker 9>You've got to be able to come up in a

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<v Speaker 9>run game, set edges, keep the cup as we call it,

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<v Speaker 9>keep the ball on my inside pad. And when I'm

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<v Speaker 9>asked to tackle, I got to I've got to show

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<v Speaker 9>up all right, because if you can't, offenses are good enough,

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<v Speaker 9>they're the ball is gonna find you.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So to answer your question, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know a coach for me right now, being

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<v Speaker 1>a former player, I'm fascinated with how things work in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL, right because there's always that curtain as a player,

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<v Speaker 1>not as a coach, but as a player, there's always

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<v Speaker 1>that hurt that's hanging in front of you. How does

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<v Speaker 1>it work? How do these guys actually do it right here?

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<v Speaker 1>So when they determined that they wanted to know a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about Sean Murphy Bunting, did they come

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<v Speaker 1>to you and ask you specifically, we want you to

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<v Speaker 1>break this guy down and help us out in regard

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what you think of this guy. Did they

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<v Speaker 1>do that?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 9>And I think that's what I love about this organization

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<v Speaker 9>is we're all on the same page. So they asked

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<v Speaker 9>from my opinion, they asked for the opinion of Pat Tony.

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<v Speaker 9>Our secondary coach, Nick Rowlis jg all of us had

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<v Speaker 9>a hand in this decision that MANI took our input

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<v Speaker 9>and made the move because we were all on board

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<v Speaker 9>and we had a plan and we saw a guy

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<v Speaker 9>that really fit.

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<v Speaker 4>What we wanted to do on defense coach, would you

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<v Speaker 4>watch this together?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you all watch it together?

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<v Speaker 9>When breaking it down, there was just well not initially,

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<v Speaker 9>so we all wanted to formulate our own opinion. And

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<v Speaker 9>I think that what I love about how this staff

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<v Speaker 9>does it is we don't We're not a staff that's

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<v Speaker 9>just going to sit in the room throw and throw

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<v Speaker 9>a guy up. One guy has an opinion and then

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<v Speaker 9>everybody's a subject to group thinks saying yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>let's go get that done.

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<v Speaker 8>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So we all worked.

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<v Speaker 9>Independently, came back together in the meeting room, and we

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<v Speaker 9>shared our opinions on our thoughts, and we there was

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<v Speaker 9>a consensus around the room, you know. So that really

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<v Speaker 9>raises our excitement of you know, we can't wait till

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<v Speaker 9>OTA's kicks off the guys get in. We can start

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<v Speaker 9>working with these guys and uh, just see the excitement

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<v Speaker 9>of the guys that we have, especially the new guys

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<v Speaker 9>that are on board.

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<v Speaker 5>Cardinals Corners coach Ryan Smith is our guest Some Big

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<v Speaker 5>Red Race presented by Santan Forid and Gilbert. All right,

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<v Speaker 5>let's learn a little bit more about you. You played

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<v Speaker 5>college ball, William and Mary last Cardinal's affiliation. I remember

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<v Speaker 5>was Mike Leech, Cardinals long snapper for a good decade.

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<v Speaker 5>Great dude went to William and Mary and then you

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<v Speaker 5>played for a college football coaching legend, didn't you detail that?

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely so, Jimmy Laycock was my head coach. If you've

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<v Speaker 9>played at William and Mary, you've probably been coached by

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<v Speaker 9>Jimmy Lacock. He was the head coach there for thirty

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<v Speaker 9>nine years. I think he won two in the forty

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<v Speaker 9>nine games.

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<v Speaker 5>But just some of the names include Mike Tomlin and

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<v Speaker 5>Sean McDermott.

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely, absolutely, There's there's been a lot of coaches that

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<v Speaker 9>have come through there. You know, Dan Quinn was on

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<v Speaker 9>one of his coaching staffs. You know, Joe Brady, the

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<v Speaker 9>offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills, was a player.

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<v Speaker 4>For him as well.

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<v Speaker 9>So you know, there's been a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of guys that have come through that program. There's a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of pride that goes with that, you know, And

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<v Speaker 9>I'm proud to be a tribe a lum.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's amazing about that. When I think of

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Tomlin and I think of Sean McDermott, I think

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<v Speaker 1>of leaders of men. That's what I think was coach

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<v Speaker 1>like this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was.

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<v Speaker 9>He built a program, he built a standard, and everybody

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<v Speaker 9>that walked in the building knew the standard, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And I grew so much in my time there.

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<v Speaker 9>I arrived on campus as a as a school start

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<v Speaker 9>walk on, so you know, I had to try out

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<v Speaker 9>when I got there, and I learned the hard way,

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<v Speaker 9>and nothing was really given to me. You know, when

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<v Speaker 9>I my first day of practice, they ran out of

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<v Speaker 9>practice Jersey, so I had a I had one of

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<v Speaker 9>the ones in the back that didn't have a number

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<v Speaker 9>on it. So I'm run out there without a number,

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<v Speaker 9>you know. So I come from humble beginnings, from a

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<v Speaker 9>from a collegiate athlete perspective, and then I was able

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<v Speaker 9>to work my way up and eventually be a scholarship

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<v Speaker 9>guy and a starter, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's it's it was.

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<v Speaker 9>It was a cool journey and through the whole way,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, I really looked at Jimmy Laycock as a

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<v Speaker 9>leader and a guy that I could follow and emulate,

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<v Speaker 9>and you know, it's there's there's many reasons why I

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<v Speaker 9>got into coaching, but he was he was one of them.

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<v Speaker 9>Just seeing how he ran that program and the impact

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<v Speaker 9>that he had on a lot of guys.

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<v Speaker 5>In high school. You went to the Blue Ridge School

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<v Speaker 5>in Saint George, Virginia. I would not use the word

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<v Speaker 5>humble for that one. I would use prestigious based on

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<v Speaker 5>online that what sort of experience was that.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, you know, I went there for my last three

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<v Speaker 9>years of high school, got in there as a sophomore,

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<v Speaker 9>and you know, I grew up with a single mother.

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<v Speaker 9>It was just me and her, and you know, we

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<v Speaker 9>made this decision. We thought it was the best thing

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<v Speaker 9>for my future to go to this school. It was

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<v Speaker 9>good academics and good athletics, and it's tucked away in

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<v Speaker 9>the mountains of the western part of Virginia. And you know,

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<v Speaker 9>it's definitely a different experience, you know, living on your

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<v Speaker 9>own as a fourteen fifteen year old and being in

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<v Speaker 9>a dorm, not going not riding a bus to school

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<v Speaker 9>like I was used to. But it really taught me lessons,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, and really prepared me for college. And you know,

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<v Speaker 9>when I got to college as a freshman, my mother

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<v Speaker 9>just dropped me off and left, like she didn't stay

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<v Speaker 9>for any orientation or anything like that. Because I've been

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<v Speaker 9>out the house the last couple of years, so I

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<v Speaker 9>was you know, it kind of set me up and

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<v Speaker 9>prepared me for walking on.

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<v Speaker 4>At William and Mary. And you know, I was in

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<v Speaker 4>the right head space at that time.

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<v Speaker 9>I had matured enough to be able to understand that,

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<v Speaker 9>all right, this isn't given to me.

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<v Speaker 4>This is another challenge that I just have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Overcome and coach. What position did you play?

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<v Speaker 4>I played wide receiver and I played cornerback.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, wide receiver and cornerback, so two sides of one

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<v Speaker 1>coin obviously.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah in high school. When I went to college, I

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<v Speaker 9>played cornerback. Yeah, college, and I couldn't cover like Sean

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<v Speaker 9>could run. Well, you know, they they tried to roll

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<v Speaker 9>the safety over top of me because I wasn't as

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<v Speaker 9>fast as I. They would have liked her to be

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<v Speaker 9>cover too. We were playing a whole lot of Cover

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<v Speaker 9>two to help it out. So I was definitely on

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<v Speaker 9>the cloud.

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<v Speaker 4>Side, all right.

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<v Speaker 9>But but what I did, though, what I did because

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<v Speaker 9>I had to ride that pine from you to tackle.

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<v Speaker 4>Though I could, I could, I wasn't going to turn

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<v Speaker 4>that down a little corner.

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<v Speaker 9>I had that mentality, had I had a mentality about

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<v Speaker 9>my game, you know, But it was for me. It

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<v Speaker 9>was uh, I had to I had to sit and

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<v Speaker 9>watch the first couple of years, first three to four years,

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<v Speaker 9>and I was on scout team for for a couple

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<v Speaker 9>of years. So I really learned a technique part of

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<v Speaker 9>it because I could not have a misstep. If I

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<v Speaker 9>stepped the wrong way, I was done. There was no

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<v Speaker 9>recovery speed.

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<v Speaker 1>And that helps you. Now though, Where's a coach.

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely absolutely that prepared me and especially wanted me to

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<v Speaker 9>Like in my mind, I was like when I when

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<v Speaker 9>I graduated from Williamare, I felt like I could coach.

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<v Speaker 9>I could coach corners at a high level just because

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<v Speaker 9>the technique and the study that I that I had to.

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<v Speaker 4>Do just to be able to touch the field.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, with something that was able to grow my

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<v Speaker 9>game from a knowledge a knowledge perspective that set me

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<v Speaker 9>up to be a good coach.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you had three rookie corners last year get a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of time, so you know, I mean it's to

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<v Speaker 5>their benefit they have a technician as a coach. Give

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<v Speaker 5>us a quick rapid fire thumbnail on Garrett Williams and

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<v Speaker 5>what you saw last year and what he's supposed to

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<v Speaker 5>do this year.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh, Garrett is a pros pro and that was evident

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<v Speaker 9>through the draft process last year. That was evident him

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<v Speaker 9>showing up as a rookie. His mentality, his mindset, his determination.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, he's going to be successful in whatever he does. Right,

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<v Speaker 9>So for for him, like to speak on Garrett, I'm

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<v Speaker 9>so excited for the future. He's put in so much work,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, and then coming off the injury that he

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<v Speaker 9>had in college, getting incorporated into the NFL game mid

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<v Speaker 9>season there and then having a full off season of

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<v Speaker 9>being in good health is you know, I think the

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<v Speaker 9>sky is the limit for Garrett Williams.

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<v Speaker 5>And give us a quick skun report on Key Troll Clark,

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<v Speaker 5>especially since you recruited him three different times in college

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<v Speaker 5>at three different universities. Oh yeah, and you finally ended

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<v Speaker 5>up together in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you didn't know that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>I was at Elon University recruiting Key Trail and uh,

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<v Speaker 9>he told me no. And then then I then we

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<v Speaker 9>move on to James Madison. So my head coach I

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<v Speaker 9>was working for got the job at jam You going

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<v Speaker 9>to JAMU was the same recruiting cycle, so I try

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<v Speaker 9>to get him at the end of the recruiting cycle

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<v Speaker 9>I was actually in his living room and he ends

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<v Speaker 9>up committing to Liberty.

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<v Speaker 4>During that process, he told us no, okay. So then

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<v Speaker 4>then the next time, I was at Virginia Tech when

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<v Speaker 4>he when he transferred from.

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<v Speaker 9>Liberty after he bowed out as a freshman, balled out

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<v Speaker 9>at as a freshman. I had just got the Virginia

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<v Speaker 9>Tech and I was fighting tooth and nail for Key

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<v Speaker 9>Traill and he says he's going to Louisville. So I

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<v Speaker 9>was old for three and then when he came out

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<v Speaker 9>here on his thirty visit, it was like almost felt

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<v Speaker 9>like fate. And then we drafted him and we me

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<v Speaker 9>and Key Trull, we talk all the time like, man,

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<v Speaker 9>this is it is crazy how things shook out.

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<v Speaker 4>It was almost like it was meant to be.

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<v Speaker 9>WHOA yeah, yeah, So me and Key Trull go go

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<v Speaker 9>go back pretty far.

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<v Speaker 5>He began last year as a starter and then there's

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<v Speaker 5>playing time declined. If there's one takeaway, one area of

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<v Speaker 5>his game where he can get better going into year two,

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<v Speaker 5>what would it be?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I think truth, he's he's he's he's a guy

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<v Speaker 9>that has worked on every part of his game that

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<v Speaker 9>he thought that or that and we've talked about that

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<v Speaker 9>he can improve on, like coming in and getting thrown

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<v Speaker 9>in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Fire as a rookie.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, he's faced a lot of adversity and you know,

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<v Speaker 9>as we talked about at the beginning of this this show,

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<v Speaker 9>is resiliency is one of the critical factors of being

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<v Speaker 9>a high level corner. And we're talking about a guy

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<v Speaker 9>who was a rookie that's you know, that started last year,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, beat those odds, beat guys out in camp,

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<v Speaker 9>and started the year as a starter, you know, and

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<v Speaker 9>to be able to endure what he what he endured

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<v Speaker 9>right not playing towards the end of the year. This

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<v Speaker 9>guy's man, he's in a headset or a headspace and

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<v Speaker 9>a mindset that he's he's.

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<v Speaker 4>Hungry, and you know, I'm proud of him.

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<v Speaker 9>Of his maturity level and how he how he handled everything,

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<v Speaker 9>and I'm excited to see how he's gonna respond and

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<v Speaker 9>how he shows up for OTAs.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you coach a guy when you know that

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<v Speaker 1>he's got to be confident and resilient, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>that confidence is going to help him be resilient, yet

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, you got to tell him the truth.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, yeah, I mean, you've got to You've got to

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<v Speaker 9>tell him the hard truth right in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 4>And what I've learned is be upfront and honest with guys.

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<v Speaker 9>But the thing that helps helps us out, especially the

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<v Speaker 9>guy like he Trail and even I'm even Star, even

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<v Speaker 9>Devar Wilson Newt like we have those conversations.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not running from those conversations.

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<v Speaker 9>We're willing to address the problem, face it head on,

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<v Speaker 9>and then continue to grow our relationships as we as

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<v Speaker 9>we as.

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<v Speaker 4>We continue to grow. That's that side of their game.

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<v Speaker 1>Coach, Thank you, coach. We enjoyed it, really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 6>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>If his mom, by the way, served as a senior

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<v Speaker 5>chief in the US Navy, you could use some of

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<v Speaker 5>that discipline as a young man growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>And dude, thank you. Coach.

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<v Speaker 5>Ryan Smith joined us here on the Big Red Rage.

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<v Speaker 5>We continue all presented by santan Ford and Gilbert.

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<v Speaker 3>And up up the middle, b j o Jalari is

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<v Speaker 3>there to grab Rodriguez at the line of scrimmage. Snapped

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<v Speaker 3>the jackson he's gonna throw from the pocket, looking in trouble,

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<v Speaker 3>wrapped up and thrown down for a sack. Pjo Jalari

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<v Speaker 3>gets his first sack. The rookie out of LSU gets

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<v Speaker 3>a big sack here on Lamar Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>Closed down Lamar Jackson quickly and got the sack. That

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<v Speaker 1>is big time by bj.

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<v Speaker 3>Heinecke playfake in trouble hits had sacked by bj Ojalari

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<v Speaker 3>back at the ten yard line, a loss of.

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<v Speaker 1>About ten oh. That is a big sack.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to pass goes Heinikey with time now the pocket

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<v Speaker 3>collapses head Heinicky sack back at the nine yard line.

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<v Speaker 3>Bj o Jalari having a breakout game with his second

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<v Speaker 3>sack forcing a punt.

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<v Speaker 1>All the rookie once again would not be denied.

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<v Speaker 5>That following week, in the back right corner of the

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<v Speaker 5>Cardinals locker room, the guys are calling a two sack

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<v Speaker 5>Laurie bj Ojalai two sack Laurie. And if there is

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<v Speaker 5>one guy who could take that big step in year two,

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<v Speaker 5>my vote would be for bj Ojelari because the Cardinals

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<v Speaker 5>as a defense need to get to the quarterback. They

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<v Speaker 5>need that pass rusher. The other team has to account for,

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 5>where are you gonna get that guy? Well, these days

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 5>try and trade for that guy out to cost you

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 5>almost as much as a quarterback and then try and

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 5>find that guy in free agency. They don't exist, and

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<v Speaker 5>if they do end up in free agency, they get

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 5>ridiculous money. The latest this week is Josh Allen a

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<v Speaker 5>Jacksonville five years, one hundred and fifty million, eighty eight

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<v Speaker 5>million gaeron tied so here on the Big Red Rage

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<v Speaker 5>presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert Paul Calvici Ron Wolfley

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<v Speaker 5>in special thanks to get to Cardinals cornerbacks coach Ryan

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<v Speaker 5>Smith Wolfe. To what degree is getting an edge rusher

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<v Speaker 5>a priority in this year's draft?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it is critical, Paul. I think there's no doubt

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<v Speaker 1>about that. We're talking about wide receiver, we're talking about corner,

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:01.719
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about edge, and we're talking about interior offensive lineman.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as I'm concerned, those are the top four

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<v Speaker 1>needs for the Arizona Cardinals right there. And when you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about edge, first of all, I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>say Bjogelei. I expect bj to get significantly better this year.

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<v Speaker 1>He's that type of player ball. This is who he is.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got a great football IQ. First of all, he

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 1>loves the game and he's really really smart. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna take your lumps as a rookie. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and do that. And I think bj took

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<v Speaker 1>his loomps as a rookie at a hard start as

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, getting out of the practice field

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<v Speaker 1>to actually start, so that really set him back as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's going to be a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>late bloomer on this so I think we're gonna see

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<v Speaker 1>him really grow in year number two. I'm expecting that

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<v Speaker 1>he can set the edge and he can get the edge.

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<v Speaker 5>Yet four sex total in limited playing time. Some of

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<v Speaker 5>that dude injury got a late start on the year,

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 5>got a late start during the regular season. Even so,

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<v Speaker 5>his position coach ab Rodriguez saw enough to be happy

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<v Speaker 5>with the progress.

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<v Speaker 8>That kid has had to work so hard, and people

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 8>don't realize that's why rookies who come into this league

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<v Speaker 8>don't just jump in here and start rushing the passers,

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<v Speaker 8>because they need to learn how to rush with the

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<v Speaker 8>proper angles.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't just run around people in this league.

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<v Speaker 8>You're not going to play a Division one DOAA team

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<v Speaker 8>every four weeks and get a couple of sacks. That's

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<v Speaker 8>not how it works.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to fight.

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<v Speaker 8>You're playing against the best every week. That kid has

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<v Speaker 8>had to get healthy, he's had to mature in this league,

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<v Speaker 8>and he's had to learn those things, and it is

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<v Speaker 8>a child by fire. It's an uncomfortability for such a

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<v Speaker 8>long period of time, some guys can start to doubt themselves.

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 8>This guy's had such a great head on his shoulders

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<v Speaker 8>and he's just worked his butt off.

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<v Speaker 5>I know Kyle Vanenbosch on the Red Sea Report has

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<v Speaker 5>said repeatedly really likes what he saw in film, what

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<v Speaker 5>he saw in the field from bjo Joli. Hear ago

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<v Speaker 5>and look, Cardinals have to get better in that department.

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<v Speaker 5>Not only did they have one sack in the final

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 5>six games, which we keep citing, right, but if it's

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<v Speaker 5>about affecting the quarterback, as Jonathan Gannon says, now, oh

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't always come down to just the sack numbers. Realized

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<v Speaker 5>that the Cardinals as a defense allowed this second highest

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<v Speaker 5>passer rating in the NFL last year, and they allowed

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<v Speaker 5>the second highest completion percentage to opposing quarterbacks. So I'm

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<v Speaker 5>guessing a lot of that is tied into how much

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<v Speaker 5>time those quarterbacks had to throw.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Paula, You're right about that, no doubt but I

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<v Speaker 1>also would say, let's go to rundown situation as well,

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<v Speaker 1>first and ten, second and one to six. The Arizona

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Cardinals were the last team in the league in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of stopping the run. Wow, and you know that. So again,

0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 1>many times these offenses weren't very good situation to go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and convert on third down. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these situations, it all starts with being able to stop

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<v Speaker 1>the run. That's one of the reasons why your edge

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>guy has got to be capable of setting that edge,

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 1>being very very physical on that edge, and also being

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that can get off blocks and make a

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<v Speaker 1>play as well, because it all starts there. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons why I'm encouraged with bjo Jalari.

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<v Speaker 5>So let me ask you this then, b jo Jilari

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 5>Xavin Collins, who figures to be in a contract year,

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:08.320
<v Speaker 5>Dennis Gardak, I mean, you have dudes, highly drafted dudes

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<v Speaker 5>in the first two at the position. If you're sitting there,

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<v Speaker 5>either at twenty seven or because of a trade, you

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:17.359
<v Speaker 5>end up in the middle of the first round. Are

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 5>you going after a Byron Murphy the second a game

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:25.240
<v Speaker 5>wrecking defensive tackle before you go for the edge because

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<v Speaker 5>it starts from the inside out.

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<v Speaker 1>You know where I'm going on that one. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just PAULI honestly right now, I do believe edge

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge area of need. But if you tell

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<v Speaker 1>me Byron Murphy is sitting there, we're talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>three technique, a guy that is the Listen, the most

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 1>difficult thing to stop in the football universe is a

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 1>destructive three technique. That's all I'm saying right now. If

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<v Speaker 1>he were there in that situation, I would have to say, Okay,

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>even though I don't think it's this massive area of

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<v Speaker 1>need for the Arizona Cardinals after free agency and what

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<v Speaker 1>they did in free agency, if Byron Murphy was there

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the round and you were gonna draft,

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I might say, Okay, hey, we got a wrecking ball.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know the way I feel about that, because

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 1>those three techniques they impact not only the running game

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>big time with the blocking schemes and rundown situation, but

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 1>also that interior push that has become so important in

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<v Speaker 1>today's NFL to be able to get in the face

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<v Speaker 1>of a quarterback and do it in the interior, in

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<v Speaker 1>that interior pocket.

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<v Speaker 5>Because this draft does not have an edge rusher by

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<v Speaker 5>most estimates worthy of number four. Overall. There's no Miles Garrett,

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 5>there's no Nick Bosa. Right the guys that are considered

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<v Speaker 5>the top edge rushers in this draft at best are

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<v Speaker 5>going tenth, eleventh, or twelfth. Whether it's Dallas Turner, Leatu Latu,

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 5>whether it's Chop Robinson, Jared Burse, these are all guys

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:56.880
<v Speaker 5>who are projected to go in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 5>first round at best for the most part.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's also interesting to Paul. I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of mock drafts that had Chop Robinson right around

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty three. I'm just saying, you know what, Hey, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>not saying anything. I'm not trying to tip off my

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<v Speaker 1>in any way, shape or form in regard to pulling

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>off some type of trade. But I'm just saying, at

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three interesting.

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 5>What's interesting is that Cardinals don't currently own twenty three.

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.320
<v Speaker 1>That's the Vikings mixed exception. You're already I get assumption, sumption.

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:26.799
<v Speaker 5>That's exactly they're trading out of four and doing a

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<v Speaker 5>package with the Vikings to get eleven and twenty three

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<v Speaker 5>and twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>PAULI, is that karma is that? What is that an omen?

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 4>Paul?

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:33.400
<v Speaker 1>What would you call that?

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 10>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>So, Carbinger, think about that. If you're at eleven and

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<v Speaker 5>you go, oh, I don't know, you go with a

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<v Speaker 5>top corner in the draft, harry On Arnold or a

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 5>Quinyan Mitchell, and then at twenty three you go with

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 5>a Byron Murphy the second and or a Chop Robinson.

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 5>And then at twenty seven you probably won't get Byron

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 5>Murphy the second, but maybe you get a Braidon Fisk

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 5>out of Florida State, you get a.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's a Grand Barton there. I'm not twenty so.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm talking about defense in front here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, Bali, I'm just talking about the first round.

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<v Speaker 5>See to me, you could go the whole first round

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:12.799
<v Speaker 5>and get three defensive building blocks corner, D, line and edge.

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 5>You're right, and then wait to get receiver at thirty five.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's where we differ. Yeah, we do differ there, PAULI.

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 5>That's great.

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:21.959
<v Speaker 1>You could go ahead and you know you're gonna build

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.879
<v Speaker 1>the defense on all three levels. Paul, that's great. I'm

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna get Kyler somebody to throw the ball to.

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 5>How effective was justin Jefferson last year after the quarterback

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 5>went down. Okay, receivers don't make the quarterback. Quarterbacks make

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 5>the receivers.

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.239
<v Speaker 1>And then when you're a young guy, though, you need

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 1>that so badly. You need a guy who knows what

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 1>he's doing, who can get open because that allows you

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 1>to go through your read and get the ball out quicker.

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 5>Right, do you know deep this draft is in tackles

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 5>and receivers?

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 4>Do you know? Do you do?

0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 5>I have to break out the list of the All

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:00.120
<v Speaker 5>Pro and Pro Bowl receivers who are not drafted in

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 5>the first round. I'm just saying, there is so much

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:05.959
<v Speaker 5>telly beyond the big three at the receiver position. I'm

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 5>willing to wait because you have so many other pressing

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.400
<v Speaker 5>needs in so many different spots. And guess what, the

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:14.320
<v Speaker 5>supply isn't nearly what it is a receiver. The supply

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.280
<v Speaker 5>is much much less at some of these other spots.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the nineteen eighty five draft, there was a

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 1>full back. His name was Ricky Moore from Alabama, Okay,

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and then the next full back taken was Ron wolf

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Lee from West Virginia, Paul. There was a massive difference

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 1>between those guys. You go ahead. You've gotta sometimes just

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>eat it and draft the better guy. All right.

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0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:48.040
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0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:52.080
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<v Speaker 5>In fact, we'll get a draft memory from Wolf when

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<v Speaker 5>we come back on the Big Red Rage presented by

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<v Speaker 5>Santan Ford in Gilbert Shaw.

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<v Speaker 11>As a draft was coming up, I had my family

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 11>come down. We were having some fun parties and living

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 11>it up because this was a moment that you know,

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 11>you don't get an experience but once.

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 4>In your life.

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 11>And we had a tea time, me and my brothers

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 11>and my dad that morning, and everybody was like, you're

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 11>going to miss the draft. They're going to call your name.

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 11>You're going to be on the golf course. I said,

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 11>don't worry, I'm not going in the first round. I

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 11>knew that I wasn't going to be a first round pick.

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 1>We went and played golf.

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<v Speaker 11>I was extremely tired from partying two three nights prior.

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 11>So I was I went to a back room at

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:35.000
<v Speaker 11>the hotel we were at. There's still five picks in

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 11>the first round. I'm going to go lay down. I'm

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 11>going to catch a little sleep. And so I was

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 11>asleep when I got drafted.

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<v Speaker 5>Jake Plummer, known for being ultra cool, calm clutch. He

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 5>wasn't even awake when his name was called forty second overall,

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:53.280
<v Speaker 5>the Arizona Cardinal's second round pick, unknown to Jake until

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 5>his agent came.

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<v Speaker 1>In day've done.

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 11>Came and tapped me on the shoulder and woke me up,

0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 11>and I and I came to He said, hey man,

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<v Speaker 11>you're you're an Arizona Cardinal. I said, oh wow, okay.

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 5>And now you understand why Jake was so clutch in

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 5>the clutch in the fourth quarter, because he was so cool,

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:15.200
<v Speaker 5>nothing rattled him. Chill, Chill, brouh And I tell you

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 5>that is Jake Plumber, Unfiltered, unplugged. And if you go

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<v Speaker 5>search wherever your favorite podcast, go search Cardinals Folktales Drafting

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 5>Jake and it's the story of his pick in the

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 5>second round of the nineteen ninety seven draft. And by

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 5>the end of his second season, guess what, the Cardinals

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 5>had their first playoff win in nearly half a century.

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 5>Great story. Cardinals would add Pat Tillman, his teammate at

0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 5>ASU and the very next draft and the rest is history.

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<v Speaker 5>As they say, we're wrapping up this edition of the

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 5>Arizona Cardinal's Big Red Rage Special. Thanks again to the

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 5>cornerbacks coach Ryan Smith for joining us earlier. Right, he

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.320
<v Speaker 5>had a bunch of rookies in his room a year ago. Wolf,

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:53.360
<v Speaker 5>what's your draft mean? Where were I don't know if

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:55.799
<v Speaker 5>I ever heard this. Where were you when your name

0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 5>was called in the fourth round nineteen eighty five?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, PAULI you know what. I was in West Virginia,

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 1>West by God Virginia, of course, getting ready to actually

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:06.560
<v Speaker 1>move back, had a U haul. I was packing up

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 1>on draft day and I watched the first couple of

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>rounds and my agent told me, ment, you could go

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:14.800
<v Speaker 1>as high as round three, and I laughed at him, Ah,

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 1>you're just so full of bit And I also thought,

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:21.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, I could go as late as round seven

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 1>or eight somewhere in there. Then Bill Parcells called me.

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 1>He called me before the draft started. Bill Parcells, and

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 1>he said, Ron, I just want you to know right now,

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>if you don't get drafted today, we'd love to have you.

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 4>That's what he said.

0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Bill Parson thought it's a totally true story right there.

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Of course, what happened was Larry Wilson of the then

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.759
<v Speaker 1>Saint Louis Cardinals picked up the phone and called me

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 1>and said, Ron, this is Larry Wilson and we're getting

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:54.319
<v Speaker 1>ready to draft you here in the fourth round, one

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fourth overall. And I said, this isn't Larry.

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I did no. I came on. I thought it was

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:04.880
<v Speaker 1>one of my boys, one of my buddies, actually playing

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.879
<v Speaker 1>a prank on me. I said, this isn't Larry. He said, no, Ron,

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>this is this is this is Larry Wilson of the

0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Saint Louis Cardinal You know. I.

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<v Speaker 5>By the way, kids, they didn't have caller ID in

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 5>nineteen eighty five, that's right, So it was common for

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 5>kids in college to bust on each other with these pranks.

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, and.

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 1>That's the way that went. But the best one I

0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 1>have to tell you, and I hope I have time

0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 1>for this, is when Craig was drafted by the four

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.240
<v Speaker 1>time Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers.

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<v Speaker 7>Hello.

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 1>We had the whole family at forty five Hotson Road

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 1>in Orchard Park, New York. There they all were Pully,

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, the phone rings. Craig had

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 1>walked out because he thought he was going to go

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<v Speaker 1>in the third round and we were we were literally

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<v Speaker 1>there in the sixth round, right, and it was going

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<v Speaker 1>on and it was the I'm sorry, the fifth round,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was nervous and he walked out of there

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<v Speaker 1>and suddenly the phone rang. My sister Joy My answers

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<v Speaker 1>the phone, and she's saying, okay, yes, all right, why okay,

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<v Speaker 1>who is this? Okay? And all of a sudden she's

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<v Speaker 1>giving us the thumbs down like this. Come to find out.

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<v Speaker 1>She hangs up the phone and we're like, what who

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<v Speaker 1>was it? She said it was the Steelers, they drafted

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<v Speaker 1>him in the fifth round. We were like, why are

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<v Speaker 1>you giving us the thumbs down on this on the

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<v Speaker 1>phone call? She said it wasn't the Bills. Oh that's

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<v Speaker 1>what That's what she said, Paul. Here it was the

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<v Speaker 1>four times Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers, who had just

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<v Speaker 1>drafted Craig in the fifth round. Oh my goodness, he

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<v Speaker 1>had gone for a walk in our and in a

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<v Speaker 1>gravel pit in our backyard. We drove down that gravel

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<v Speaker 1>pit and we greg you got drafted. He just fell

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<v Speaker 1>to the ground. It was really incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>Meanwhile, your sister hung up on Chuck Noll.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Noll basically just was giving it a thumb down,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and they.

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<v Speaker 5>Stinks get out the hometown bills didn't take them. Then

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Okay, it's uh no, that's that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way that it goes. Man, it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those days you're not going to soon forget.

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<v Speaker 5>And look the last two years the Cardinals have executed

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<v Speaker 5>trades in round one Hollywood Brown two years ago, then

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<v Speaker 5>of course last year trading down from three to twelve,

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<v Speaker 5>coming back up to six. It's amazing how many of

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<v Speaker 5>these mock drafts have Mani Jasiford doing the exact same thing,

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<v Speaker 5>training out of four and then coming back up to

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<v Speaker 5>get one of the big three receivers around six or seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I would also say it's very interesting to see the

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<v Speaker 1>way this has been a paradigm shift here because when

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<v Speaker 1>the mock drafts were first coming out, is that Noah Brighter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Marvin Harrison Junior to the Arizona Cardinals at number four. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, everybody is on that bandwagon.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, three first round picks? Do you pull the trigger?

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<v Speaker 5>If you're Moni and you get three first round picks?

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<v Speaker 5>Do you trade out?

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<v Speaker 1>Sold?

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