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Speaker 5: the NFL Draft. You can be sitting in your NFL

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Speaker 5: It's one reason that the NFL Draft is on four

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Speaker 5: until Draft night. It is the big red Rage. Paul Calvi,

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Speaker 5: Gilbert We are santan Ford soon to be joined by

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Speaker 5: Cardinals cornerback coach Ryan Smith Ron Wolfley. Would you say

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Speaker 1: A matter of fact, Paulie, I think there's no doubt

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Speaker 5: You know why, because you have one proven corner and

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of little detail work that needs to

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Speaker 1: Okay, mister Rodolpho Mensu, I guess he's moving up, Paul.

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Speaker 1: Is that the way you translated that? Right there?

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Speaker 1: You know, at some point it's time, PAULI don't you

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Speaker 5: And guess what.

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 5: There are teams that you can leverage against each other.

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Speaker 5: There's limited supply, there's plenty of demand. And this year,

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Speaker 1: It's gonna cost you.

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Speaker 3: Pit's intercept of the thirty down the sideline to the

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Speaker 3: It's picked up by Murphy bunting running right ti left

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Speaker 7: Throw an interception and on the return Sean Murphy Bunting.

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Speaker 4: And there's a pick right on Joe.

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Speaker 3: Sean Murphy Bunting and boring his hit lost the ball.

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Speaker 4: The Tights had picked it up and bawling on it.

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Speaker 1: Sean Murphy Bunting has made the play.

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Speaker 5: He might have caught the voice of Dave passionate voice

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Speaker 5: would you say, if you're a cornerback, you need to

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Speaker 1: To compete, Yeah, Pauli, I would say that's a very

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Speaker 5: Because a few weeks ago, when Shawn Murphy Bunting was

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Speaker 4: I'm doing well? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: He is that sort of guy, isn't he? Sean Murphy

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Speaker 9: I think you're hitting it right on the head. A competitor,

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Speaker 1: So coach also too. One of the things I would

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Speaker 1: Defense, versatility really matters to this coaching staff, doesn't it.

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Speaker 9: I mean, versatility is huge from our philosophy of being

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Speaker 4: And a guy that like Sean who has the capacity to.

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Speaker 9: Learn and and can play different different techniques, different coverages.

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Speaker 9: And you see that on this film in Tampa Bay

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean the guys on the outside, you know,

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Speaker 9: There's still man instincts that you've got to know and

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Speaker 9: you know, because it's not like, Okay, I'm going from

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Speaker 4: Able to fit his skill set.

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Speaker 5: His backstory is amazing. He was a three sport athlete

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Speaker 10: They see a dog pretty much playing as simple. They

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Speaker 10: and that's what I do. And so we believe in

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Speaker 10: Lead by example, Lead the younger guys that they have

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Speaker 5: You know, an offense, JG says, no block, no rock.

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Speaker 5: If you're a receiver, you better block. If you're a corner,

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Speaker 4: Coach, absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 9: I mean you can't in the NFL, you can't hide, right,

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 1: So when they determined that they wanted to know a

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Speaker 9: And I think that's what I love about this organization

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Speaker 5: Cardinals Corners coach Ryan Smith is our guest Some Big

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Speaker 5: Red Race presented by Santan Forid and Gilbert. All right,

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Speaker 5: let's learn a little bit more about you. You played

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Speaker 5: was Mike Leech, Cardinals long snapper for a good decade.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely so, Jimmy Laycock was my head coach. If you've

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Speaker 9: Jimmy Lacock. He was the head coach there for thirty

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Speaker 9: one of his coaching staffs. You know, Joe Brady, the

439
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Speaker 9: offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills, was a player.

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Speaker 4: For him as well.

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Speaker 9: So you know, there's been a lot of a lot

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Speaker 9: of guys that have come through that program. There's a

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Speaker 9: lot of pride that goes with that, you know, And

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Speaker 9: I'm proud to be a tribe a lum.

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Speaker 1: You know what's amazing about that. When I think of

446
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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin and I think of Sean McDermott, I think

447
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Speaker 1: of leaders of men. That's what I think was coach

448
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Speaker 1: like this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 9: He built a program, he built a standard, and everybody

451
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Speaker 9: that walked in the building knew the standard, you know.

452
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Speaker 4: And I grew so much in my time there.

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Speaker 9: I arrived on campus as a as a school start

454
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Speaker 9: walk on, so you know, I had to try out

455
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Speaker 9: when I got there, and I learned the hard way,

456
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Speaker 9: and nothing was really given to me. You know, when

457
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Speaker 9: I my first day of practice, they ran out of

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Speaker 9: practice Jersey, so I had a I had one of

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Speaker 9: the ones in the back that didn't have a number

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Speaker 9: on it. So I'm run out there without a number,

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Speaker 9: you know. So I come from humble beginnings, from a

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Speaker 9: from a collegiate athlete perspective, and then I was able

463
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Speaker 9: to work my way up and eventually be a scholarship

464
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Speaker 9: guy and a starter, you know.

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Speaker 4: So it's it's it was.

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Speaker 9: It was a cool journey and through the whole way,

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Speaker 9: you know, I really looked at Jimmy Laycock as a

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Speaker 9: leader and a guy that I could follow and emulate,

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Speaker 9: and you know, it's there's there's many reasons why I

470
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Speaker 9: got into coaching, but he was he was one of them.

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Speaker 9: Just seeing how he ran that program and the impact

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Speaker 9: that he had on a lot of guys.

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Speaker 5: In high school. You went to the Blue Ridge School

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Speaker 5: in Saint George, Virginia. I would not use the word

475
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Speaker 5: humble for that one. I would use prestigious based on

476
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Speaker 5: online that what sort of experience was that.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, I went there for my last three

478
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Speaker 9: years of high school, got in there as a sophomore,

479
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Speaker 9: and you know, I grew up with a single mother.

480
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Speaker 9: It was just me and her, and you know, we

481
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Speaker 9: made this decision. We thought it was the best thing

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Speaker 9: for my future to go to this school. It was

483
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Speaker 9: good academics and good athletics, and it's tucked away in

484
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Speaker 9: the mountains of the western part of Virginia. And you know,

485
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Speaker 9: it's definitely a different experience, you know, living on your

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Speaker 9: own as a fourteen fifteen year old and being in

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Speaker 9: a dorm, not going not riding a bus to school

488
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Speaker 9: like I was used to. But it really taught me lessons,

489
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Speaker 9: you know, and really prepared me for college. And you know,

490
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Speaker 9: when I got to college as a freshman, my mother

491
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Speaker 9: just dropped me off and left, like she didn't stay

492
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Speaker 9: for any orientation or anything like that. Because I've been

493
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Speaker 9: out the house the last couple of years, so I

494
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Speaker 9: was you know, it kind of set me up and

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Speaker 9: prepared me for walking on.

496
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Speaker 4: At William and Mary. And you know, I was in

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Speaker 4: the right head space at that time.

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Speaker 9: I had matured enough to be able to understand that,

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Speaker 9: all right, this isn't given to me.

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Speaker 4: This is another challenge that I just have to.

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Speaker 1: Overcome and coach. What position did you play?

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Speaker 4: I played wide receiver and I played cornerback.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wide receiver and cornerback, so two sides of one

504
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Speaker 1: coin obviously.

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Speaker 9: Yeah in high school. When I went to college, I

506
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Speaker 9: played cornerback. Yeah, college, and I couldn't cover like Sean

507
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Speaker 9: could run. Well, you know, they they tried to roll

508
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Speaker 9: the safety over top of me because I wasn't as

509
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Speaker 9: fast as I. They would have liked her to be

510
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Speaker 9: cover too. We were playing a whole lot of Cover

511
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Speaker 9: two to help it out. So I was definitely on

512
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Speaker 9: the cloud.

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Speaker 4: Side, all right.

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Speaker 9: But but what I did, though, what I did because

515
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Speaker 9: I had to ride that pine from you to tackle.

516
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Speaker 4: Though I could, I could, I wasn't going to turn

517
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Speaker 4: that down a little corner.

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Speaker 9: I had that mentality, had I had a mentality about

519
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Speaker 9: my game, you know, But it was for me. It

520
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Speaker 9: was uh, I had to I had to sit and

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Speaker 9: watch the first couple of years, first three to four years,

522
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Speaker 9: and I was on scout team for for a couple

523
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Speaker 9: of years. So I really learned a technique part of

524
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Speaker 9: it because I could not have a misstep. If I

525
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Speaker 9: stepped the wrong way, I was done. There was no

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Speaker 9: recovery speed.

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Speaker 1: And that helps you. Now though, Where's a coach.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely that prepared me and especially wanted me to

529
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Speaker 9: Like in my mind, I was like when I when

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Speaker 9: I graduated from Williamare, I felt like I could coach.

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Speaker 9: I could coach corners at a high level just because

532
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Speaker 9: the technique and the study that I that I had to.

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Speaker 4: Do just to be able to touch the field.

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Speaker 9: You know, with something that was able to grow my

535
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Speaker 9: game from a knowledge a knowledge perspective that set me

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Speaker 9: up to be a good coach.

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Speaker 5: Well, you had three rookie corners last year get a

538
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Speaker 5: lot of time, so you know, I mean it's to

539
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Speaker 5: their benefit they have a technician as a coach. Give

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Speaker 5: us a quick rapid fire thumbnail on Garrett Williams and

541
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Speaker 5: what you saw last year and what he's supposed to

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Speaker 5: do this year.

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Speaker 9: Oh, Garrett is a pros pro and that was evident

544
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Speaker 9: through the draft process last year. That was evident him

545
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Speaker 9: showing up as a rookie. His mentality, his mindset, his determination.

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Speaker 9: You know, he's going to be successful in whatever he does. Right,

547
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Speaker 9: So for for him, like to speak on Garrett, I'm

548
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Speaker 9: so excited for the future. He's put in so much work,

549
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Speaker 9: you know, and then coming off the injury that he

550
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Speaker 9: had in college, getting incorporated into the NFL game mid

551
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Speaker 9: season there and then having a full off season of

552
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Speaker 9: being in good health is you know, I think the

553
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Speaker 9: sky is the limit for Garrett Williams.

554
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Speaker 5: And give us a quick skun report on Key Troll Clark,

555
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Speaker 5: especially since you recruited him three different times in college

556
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Speaker 5: at three different universities. Oh yeah, and you finally ended

557
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Speaker 5: up together in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Oh you didn't know that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I was at Elon University recruiting Key Trail and uh,

561
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Speaker 9: he told me no. And then then I then we

562
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Speaker 9: move on to James Madison. So my head coach I

563
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Speaker 9: was working for got the job at jam You going

564
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Speaker 9: to JAMU was the same recruiting cycle, so I try

565
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Speaker 9: to get him at the end of the recruiting cycle

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Speaker 9: I was actually in his living room and he ends

567
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Speaker 9: up committing to Liberty.

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Speaker 4: During that process, he told us no, okay. So then

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Speaker 4: then the next time, I was at Virginia Tech when

570
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Speaker 4: he when he transferred from.

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Speaker 9: Liberty after he bowed out as a freshman, balled out

572
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Speaker 9: at as a freshman. I had just got the Virginia

573
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Speaker 9: Tech and I was fighting tooth and nail for Key

574
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Speaker 9: Traill and he says he's going to Louisville. So I

575
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Speaker 9: was old for three and then when he came out

576
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Speaker 9: here on his thirty visit, it was like almost felt

577
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Speaker 9: like fate. And then we drafted him and we me

578
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Speaker 9: and Key Trull, we talk all the time like, man,

579
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Speaker 9: this is it is crazy how things shook out.

580
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Speaker 4: It was almost like it was meant to be.

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Speaker 9: WHOA yeah, yeah, So me and Key Trull go go

582
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Speaker 9: go back pretty far.

583
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Speaker 5: He began last year as a starter and then there's

584
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Speaker 5: playing time declined. If there's one takeaway, one area of

585
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Speaker 5: his game where he can get better going into year two,

586
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Speaker 5: what would it be?

587
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Speaker 9: Well, I think truth, he's he's he's he's a guy

588
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 9: that has worked on every part of his game that

589
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 9: he thought that or that and we've talked about that

590
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Speaker 9: he can improve on, like coming in and getting thrown

591
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Speaker 9: in the.

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Speaker 4: Fire as a rookie.

593
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Speaker 9: You know, he's faced a lot of adversity and you know,

594
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Speaker 9: as we talked about at the beginning of this this show,

595
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Speaker 9: is resiliency is one of the critical factors of being

596
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Speaker 9: a high level corner. And we're talking about a guy

597
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Speaker 9: who was a rookie that's you know, that started last year,

598
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Speaker 9: you know, beat those odds, beat guys out in camp,

599
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Speaker 9: and started the year as a starter, you know, and

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Speaker 9: to be able to endure what he what he endured

601
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Speaker 9: right not playing towards the end of the year. This

602
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Speaker 9: guy's man, he's in a headset or a headspace and

603
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Speaker 9: a mindset that he's he's.

604
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Speaker 4: Hungry, and you know, I'm proud of him.

605
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Speaker 9: Of his maturity level and how he how he handled everything,

606
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Speaker 9: and I'm excited to see how he's gonna respond and

607
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Speaker 9: how he shows up for OTAs.

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Speaker 1: How do you coach a guy when you know that

609
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Speaker 1: he's got to be confident and resilient, and you know

610
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Speaker 1: that confidence is going to help him be resilient, yet

611
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Speaker 1: at the same time, you got to tell him the truth.

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I mean, you've got to You've got to

613
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Speaker 9: tell him the hard truth right in the NFL.

614
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Speaker 4: And what I've learned is be upfront and honest with guys.

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Speaker 9: But the thing that helps helps us out, especially the

616
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Speaker 9: guy like he Trail and even I'm even Star, even

617
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Speaker 9: Devar Wilson Newt like we have those conversations.

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Speaker 4: We're not running from those conversations.

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Speaker 9: We're willing to address the problem, face it head on,

620
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Speaker 9: and then continue to grow our relationships as we as

621
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Speaker 9: we as.

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Speaker 4: We continue to grow. That's that side of their game.

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Speaker 1: Coach, Thank you, coach. We enjoyed it, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Well.

625
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Speaker 5: If his mom, by the way, served as a senior

626
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Speaker 5: chief in the US Navy, you could use some of

627
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Speaker 5: that discipline as a young man growing up.

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Speaker 1: And dude, thank you. Coach.

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Speaker 5: Ryan Smith joined us here on the Big Red Rage.

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Speaker 5: We continue all presented by santan Ford and Gilbert.

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Speaker 3: And up up the middle, b j o Jalari is

632
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Speaker 3: there to grab Rodriguez at the line of scrimmage. Snapped

633
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Speaker 3: the jackson he's gonna throw from the pocket, looking in trouble,

634
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Speaker 3: wrapped up and thrown down for a sack. Pjo Jalari

635
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Speaker 3: gets his first sack. The rookie out of LSU gets

636
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Speaker 3: a big sack here on Lamar Jackson.

637
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: Closed down Lamar Jackson quickly and got the sack. That

638
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Speaker 1: is big time by bj.

639
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Speaker 3: Heinecke playfake in trouble hits had sacked by bj Ojalari

640
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Speaker 3: back at the ten yard line, a loss of.

641
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Speaker 1: About ten oh. That is a big sack.

642
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Speaker 3: Back to pass goes Heinikey with time now the pocket

643
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Speaker 3: collapses head Heinicky sack back at the nine yard line.

644
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Speaker 3: Bj o Jalari having a breakout game with his second

645
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Speaker 3: sack forcing a punt.

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Speaker 1: All the rookie once again would not be denied.

647
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Speaker 5: That following week, in the back right corner of the

648
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Speaker 5: Cardinals locker room, the guys are calling a two sack

649
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Speaker 5: Laurie bj Ojalai two sack Laurie. And if there is

650
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Speaker 5: one guy who could take that big step in year two,

651
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Speaker 5: my vote would be for bj Ojelari because the Cardinals

652
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Speaker 5: as a defense need to get to the quarterback. They

653
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Speaker 5: need that pass rusher. The other team has to account for,

654
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Speaker 5: where are you gonna get that guy? Well, these days

655
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Speaker 5: try and trade for that guy out to cost you

656
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Speaker 5: almost as much as a quarterback and then try and

657
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Speaker 5: find that guy in free agency. They don't exist, and

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Speaker 5: if they do end up in free agency, they get

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Speaker 5: ridiculous money. The latest this week is Josh Allen a

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Speaker 5: Jacksonville five years, one hundred and fifty million, eighty eight

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Speaker 5: million gaeron tied so here on the Big Red Rage

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Speaker 5: presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert Paul Calvici Ron Wolfley

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Speaker 5: in special thanks to get to Cardinals cornerbacks coach Ryan

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Speaker 5: Smith Wolfe. To what degree is getting an edge rusher

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Speaker 5: a priority in this year's draft?

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Speaker 1: Well, it is critical, Paul. I think there's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about that. We're talking about wide receiver, we're talking about corner,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about edge, and we're talking about interior offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, those are the top four

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Speaker 1: needs for the Arizona Cardinals right there. And when you

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Speaker 1: talk about edge, first of all, I just want to

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Speaker 1: say Bjogelei. I expect bj to get significantly better this year.

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Speaker 1: He's that type of player ball. This is who he is.

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Speaker 1: He's got a great football IQ. First of all, he

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Speaker 1: loves the game and he's really really smart. To me,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna take your lumps as a rookie. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: go ahead and do that. And I think bj took

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Speaker 1: his loomps as a rookie at a hard start as

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, getting out of the practice field

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Speaker 1: to actually start, so that really set him back as well.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a bit of a

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Speaker 1: late bloomer on this so I think we're gonna see

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Speaker 1: him really grow in year number two. I'm expecting that

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Speaker 1: he can set the edge and he can get the edge.

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Speaker 5: Yet four sex total in limited playing time. Some of

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Speaker 5: that dude injury got a late start on the year,

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Speaker 5: got a late start during the regular season. Even so,

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Speaker 5: his position coach ab Rodriguez saw enough to be happy

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Speaker 5: with the progress.

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Speaker 8: That kid has had to work so hard, and people

691
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Speaker 8: don't realize that's why rookies who come into this league

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Speaker 8: don't just jump in here and start rushing the passers,

693
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Speaker 8: because they need to learn how to rush with the

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Speaker 8: proper angles.

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Speaker 4: You can't just run around people in this league.

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Speaker 8: You're not going to play a Division one DOAA team

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Speaker 8: every four weeks and get a couple of sacks. That's

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Speaker 8: not how it works.

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Speaker 1: You have to fight.

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Speaker 8: You're playing against the best every week. That kid has

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Speaker 8: had to get healthy, he's had to mature in this league,

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Speaker 8: and he's had to learn those things, and it is

703
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Speaker 8: a child by fire. It's an uncomfortability for such a

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Speaker 8: long period of time, some guys can start to doubt themselves.

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Speaker 8: This guy's had such a great head on his shoulders

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Speaker 8: and he's just worked his butt off.

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Speaker 5: I know Kyle Vanenbosch on the Red Sea Report has

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Speaker 5: said repeatedly really likes what he saw in film, what

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Speaker 5: he saw in the field from bjo Joli. Hear ago

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Speaker 5: and look, Cardinals have to get better in that department.

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Speaker 5: Not only did they have one sack in the final

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Speaker 5: six games, which we keep citing, right, but if it's

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Speaker 5: about affecting the quarterback, as Jonathan Gannon says, now, oh

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Speaker 5: doesn't always come down to just the sack numbers. Realized

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Speaker 5: that the Cardinals as a defense allowed this second highest

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Speaker 5: passer rating in the NFL last year, and they allowed

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Speaker 5: the second highest completion percentage to opposing quarterbacks. So I'm

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Speaker 5: guessing a lot of that is tied into how much

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Speaker 5: time those quarterbacks had to throw.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Paula, You're right about that, no doubt but I

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Speaker 1: also would say, let's go to rundown situation as well,

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Speaker 1: first and ten, second and one to six. The Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals were the last team in the league in terms

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Speaker 1: of stopping the run. Wow, and you know that. So again,

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Speaker 1: many times these offenses weren't very good situation to go

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Speaker 1: ahead and convert on third down. And a lot of

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Speaker 1: these situations, it all starts with being able to stop

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Speaker 1: the run. That's one of the reasons why your edge

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Speaker 1: guy has got to be capable of setting that edge,

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Speaker 1: being very very physical on that edge, and also being

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Speaker 1: a guy that can get off blocks and make a

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Speaker 1: play as well, because it all starts there. And that's

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I'm encouraged with bjo Jalari.

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Speaker 5: So let me ask you this then, b jo Jilari

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Speaker 5: Xavin Collins, who figures to be in a contract year,

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Speaker 5: Dennis Gardak, I mean, you have dudes, highly drafted dudes

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Speaker 5: in the first two at the position. If you're sitting there,

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Speaker 5: either at twenty seven or because of a trade, you

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Speaker 5: end up in the middle of the first round. Are

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Speaker 5: you going after a Byron Murphy the second a game

741
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Speaker 5: wrecking defensive tackle before you go for the edge because

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Speaker 5: it starts from the inside out.

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Speaker 1: You know where I'm going on that one. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm just PAULI honestly right now, I do believe edge

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Speaker 1: is a huge area of need. But if you tell

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Speaker 1: me Byron Murphy is sitting there, we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: three technique, a guy that is the Listen, the most

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Speaker 1: difficult thing to stop in the football universe is a

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Speaker 1: destructive three technique. That's all I'm saying right now. If

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Speaker 1: he were there in that situation, I would have to say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: even though I don't think it's this massive area of

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Speaker 1: need for the Arizona Cardinals after free agency and what

753
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Speaker 1: they did in free agency, if Byron Murphy was there

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the round and you were gonna draft,

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Speaker 1: I might say, Okay, hey, we got a wrecking ball.

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Speaker 1: And you know the way I feel about that, because

757
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Speaker 1: those three techniques they impact not only the running game

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Speaker 1: big time with the blocking schemes and rundown situation, but

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Speaker 1: also that interior push that has become so important in

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Speaker 1: today's NFL to be able to get in the face

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Speaker 1: of a quarterback and do it in the interior, in

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Speaker 1: that interior pocket.

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Speaker 5: Because this draft does not have an edge rusher by

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Speaker 5: most estimates worthy of number four. Overall. There's no Miles Garrett,

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Speaker 5: there's no Nick Bosa. Right the guys that are considered

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Speaker 5: the top edge rushers in this draft at best are

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Speaker 5: going tenth, eleventh, or twelfth. Whether it's Dallas Turner, Leatu Latu,

768
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Speaker 5: whether it's Chop Robinson, Jared Burse, these are all guys

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Speaker 5: who are projected to go in the middle of the

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Speaker 5: first round at best for the most part.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's also interesting to Paul. I saw a

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Speaker 1: lot of mock drafts that had Chop Robinson right around

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Speaker 1: twenty three. I'm just saying, you know what, Hey, hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: not saying anything. I'm not trying to tip off my

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Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form in regard to pulling

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Speaker 1: off some type of trade. But I'm just saying, at

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Speaker 1: twenty three interesting.

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Speaker 5: What's interesting is that Cardinals don't currently own twenty three.

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Speaker 1: That's the Vikings mixed exception. You're already I get assumption, sumption.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly they're trading out of four and doing a

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Speaker 5: package with the Vikings to get eleven and twenty three

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Speaker 5: and twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: PAULI, is that karma is that? What is that an omen?

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Speaker 4: Paul?

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Speaker 1: What would you call that?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 5: So, Carbinger, think about that. If you're at eleven and

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Speaker 5: you go, oh, I don't know, you go with a

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Speaker 5: top corner in the draft, harry On Arnold or a

790
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Speaker 5: Quinyan Mitchell, and then at twenty three you go with

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Speaker 5: a Byron Murphy the second and or a Chop Robinson.

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Speaker 5: And then at twenty seven you probably won't get Byron

793
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Speaker 5: Murphy the second, but maybe you get a Braidon Fisk

794
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Speaker 5: out of Florida State, you get a.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's a Grand Barton there. I'm not twenty so.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking about defense in front here.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Bali, I'm just talking about the first round.

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Speaker 5: See to me, you could go the whole first round

799
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Speaker 5: and get three defensive building blocks corner, D, line and edge.

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Speaker 5: You're right, and then wait to get receiver at thirty five.

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Speaker 5: I think that's where we differ. Yeah, we do differ there, PAULI.

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Speaker 5: That's great.

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Speaker 1: You could go ahead and you know you're gonna build

804
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Speaker 1: the defense on all three levels. Paul, that's great. I'm

805
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Speaker 1: gonna get Kyler somebody to throw the ball to.

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Speaker 5: How effective was justin Jefferson last year after the quarterback

807
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Speaker 5: went down. Okay, receivers don't make the quarterback. Quarterbacks make

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Speaker 5: the receivers.

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Speaker 1: And then when you're a young guy, though, you need

810
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: that so badly. You need a guy who knows what

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Speaker 1: he's doing, who can get open because that allows you

812
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: to go through your read and get the ball out quicker.

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Speaker 5: Right, do you know deep this draft is in tackles

814
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Speaker 5: and receivers?

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Speaker 4: Do you know? Do you do?

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Speaker 5: I have to break out the list of the All

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Speaker 5: Pro and Pro Bowl receivers who are not drafted in

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Speaker 5: the first round. I'm just saying, there is so much

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Speaker 5: telly beyond the big three at the receiver position. I'm

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Speaker 5: willing to wait because you have so many other pressing

821
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Speaker 5: needs in so many different spots. And guess what, the

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Speaker 5: supply isn't nearly what it is a receiver. The supply

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Speaker 5: is much much less at some of these other spots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the nineteen eighty five draft, there was a

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Speaker 1: full back. His name was Ricky Moore from Alabama, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and then the next full back taken was Ron wolf

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Speaker 1: Lee from West Virginia, Paul. There was a massive difference

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Speaker 1: between those guys. You go ahead. You've gotta sometimes just

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Speaker 1: eat it and draft the better guy. All right.

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Speaker 11: As a draft was coming up, I had my family

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Speaker 11: come down. We were having some fun parties and living

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Speaker 11: it up because this was a moment that you know,

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Speaker 11: you don't get an experience but once.

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Speaker 4: In your life.

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Speaker 11: And we had a tea time, me and my brothers

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Speaker 11: and my dad that morning, and everybody was like, you're

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Speaker 11: going to miss the draft. They're going to call your name.

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Speaker 11: You're going to be on the golf course. I said,

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Speaker 11: don't worry, I'm not going in the first round. I

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Speaker 11: knew that I wasn't going to be a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: We went and played golf.

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Speaker 11: I was extremely tired from partying two three nights prior.

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Speaker 11: So I was I went to a back room at

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Speaker 11: the hotel we were at. There's still five picks in

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Speaker 11: the first round. I'm going to go lay down. I'm

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Speaker 11: going to catch a little sleep. And so I was

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Speaker 11: asleep when I got drafted.

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Speaker 5: Jake Plummer, known for being ultra cool, calm clutch. He

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Speaker 5: wasn't even awake when his name was called forty second overall,

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Speaker 5: the Arizona Cardinal's second round pick, unknown to Jake until

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Speaker 5: his agent came.

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Speaker 1: In day've done.

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Speaker 11: Came and tapped me on the shoulder and woke me up,

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Speaker 11: and I and I came to He said, hey man,

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Speaker 11: you're you're an Arizona Cardinal. I said, oh wow, okay.

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Speaker 5: And now you understand why Jake was so clutch in

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Speaker 5: the clutch in the fourth quarter, because he was so cool,

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Speaker 5: nothing rattled him. Chill, Chill, brouh And I tell you

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Speaker 5: Jake and it's the story of his pick in the

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Speaker 5: second round of the nineteen ninety seven draft. And by

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Speaker 5: the end of his second season, guess what, the Cardinals

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Speaker 5: had their first playoff win in nearly half a century.

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Speaker 5: Great story. Cardinals would add Pat Tillman, his teammate at

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Speaker 5: ASU and the very next draft and the rest is history.

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Speaker 5: As they say, we're wrapping up this edition of the

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Speaker 5: Arizona Cardinal's Big Red Rage Special. Thanks again to the

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Speaker 5: cornerbacks coach Ryan Smith for joining us earlier. Right, he

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Speaker 5: had a bunch of rookies in his room a year ago. Wolf,

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00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 5: what's your draft mean? Where were I don't know if

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00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 5: I ever heard this. Where were you when your name

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Speaker 5: was called in the fourth round nineteen eighty five?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, PAULI you know what. I was in West Virginia,

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Speaker 1: West by God Virginia, of course, getting ready to actually

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Speaker 1: move back, had a U haul. I was packing up

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Speaker 1: on draft day and I watched the first couple of

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Speaker 1: rounds and my agent told me, ment, you could go

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Speaker 1: as high as round three, and I laughed at him, Ah,

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00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: you're just so full of bit And I also thought,

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Speaker 1: you know, I could go as late as round seven

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Speaker 1: or eight somewhere in there. Then Bill Parcells called me.

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00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: He called me before the draft started. Bill Parcells, and

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00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: he said, Ron, I just want you to know right now,

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Speaker 1: if you don't get drafted today, we'd love to have you.

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Speaker 4: That's what he said.

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00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: Bill Parson thought it's a totally true story right there.

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00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: Of course, what happened was Larry Wilson of the then

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals picked up the phone and called me

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Speaker 1: and said, Ron, this is Larry Wilson and we're getting

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Speaker 1: ready to draft you here in the fourth round, one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fourth overall. And I said, this isn't Larry.

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Speaker 1: I did no. I came on. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: one of my boys, one of my buddies, actually playing

904
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Speaker 1: a prank on me. I said, this isn't Larry. He said, no, Ron,

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Speaker 1: this is this is this is Larry Wilson of the

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinal You know. I.

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Speaker 5: By the way, kids, they didn't have caller ID in

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00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty five, that's right, So it was common for

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00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 5: kids in college to bust on each other with these pranks.

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00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and.

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Speaker 1: That's the way that went. But the best one I

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Speaker 1: have to tell you, and I hope I have time

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Speaker 1: for this, is when Craig was drafted by the four

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Speaker 1: time Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 7: Hello.

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Speaker 1: We had the whole family at forty five Hotson Road

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Speaker 1: in Orchard Park, New York. There they all were Pully,

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00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the phone rings. Craig had

920
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: walked out because he thought he was going to go

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Speaker 1: in the third round and we were we were literally

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Speaker 1: there in the sixth round, right, and it was going

923
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Speaker 1: on and it was the I'm sorry, the fifth round,

924
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Speaker 1: and he was nervous and he walked out of there

925
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Speaker 1: and suddenly the phone rang. My sister Joy My answers

926
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Speaker 1: the phone, and she's saying, okay, yes, all right, why okay,

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Speaker 1: who is this? Okay? And all of a sudden she's

928
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Speaker 1: giving us the thumbs down like this. Come to find out.

929
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Speaker 1: She hangs up the phone and we're like, what who

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00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: was it? She said it was the Steelers, they drafted

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Speaker 1: him in the fifth round. We were like, why are

932
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Speaker 1: you giving us the thumbs down on this on the

933
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Speaker 1: phone call? She said it wasn't the Bills. Oh that's

934
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Speaker 1: what That's what she said, Paul. Here it was the

935
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Speaker 1: four times Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers, who had just

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Speaker 1: drafted Craig in the fifth round. Oh my goodness, he

937
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Speaker 1: had gone for a walk in our and in a

938
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Speaker 1: gravel pit in our backyard. We drove down that gravel

939
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: pit and we greg you got drafted. He just fell

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Speaker 1: to the ground. It was really incredible.

941
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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, your sister hung up on Chuck Noll.

942
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Speaker 1: Chuck Noll basically just was giving it a thumb down,

943
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: you know, and they.

944
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Speaker 5: Stinks get out the hometown bills didn't take them. Then

945
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 5: you know, Okay, it's uh no, that's that's good.

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Speaker 1: That's the way that it goes. Man, it really is.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those days you're not going to soon forget.

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Speaker 5: And look the last two years the Cardinals have executed

949
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Speaker 5: trades in round one Hollywood Brown two years ago, then

950
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 5: of course last year trading down from three to twelve,

951
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 5: coming back up to six. It's amazing how many of

952
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Speaker 5: these mock drafts have Mani Jasiford doing the exact same thing,

953
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Speaker 5: training out of four and then coming back up to

954
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Speaker 5: get one of the big three receivers around six or seven.

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Speaker 1: I would also say it's very interesting to see the

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Speaker 1: way this has been a paradigm shift here because when

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Speaker 1: the mock drafts were first coming out, is that Noah Brighter.

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Speaker 1: It's Marvin Harrison Junior to the Arizona Cardinals at number four. Now,

959
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everybody is on that bandwagon.

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Speaker 5: Well, three first round picks? Do you pull the trigger?

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Speaker 5: If you're Moni and you get three first round picks?

962
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Speaker 5: Do you trade out?

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Speaker 1: Sold?

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Speaker 5: There you go, and you know what it's all going

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