1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:01,360 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 2: I moved here in nineteen eighty three with a fifteen 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 2: hundred dollars in my pocket and not even knowing a 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: soul in this town. But music was just, It was just, 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: It was all I could think about. And it was 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: also no matter if I never if I never ever 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: got paid, this is what I was gonna do. It 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: was that important to me. 9 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of Music Saved Me, the podcast 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: where we explored the transformative power of music through the 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: stories of artists, songwriters, and fans whose lives have been 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 3: changed by song. Today, we are honored to welcome Sandy Knox, 13 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 3: a Grammy nominated songwriter and recording artist known for her 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 3: heartfelt lyrics and enduring contributions to country music, writing hit 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: songs for oh just some unknown artists like Reba McIntyre, 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: Dolly Parton, Neil Diamond, Dion Warwick, and Donna Summer one 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: of my personal favorites, just to name a few. Sandy 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 3: Knox's journey in the muse music industry is marked by resilience, creativity, 19 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 3: and a deep connection to the healing power of music. 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: With a career spanning decades, Sandy has penn hits for 21 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: legendary artists like I mentioned, and faced personal challenges that 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 3: have shaped her unique perspective on life and songwriting. Her 23 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 3: story is one of overcoming adversity, finding hope and melody, 24 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: and using music as a lifeline during the toughest moments, 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 3: and in this episode, Sandy shares her experiences of how 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 3: music has been both a sanctuary and a source of strength, 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,919 Speaker 3: offering insight into the ways songwriting can help us process grief, 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: celebrate joy, and even connect with others on a profound level. Now, 29 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: she also has something really cool. It's a first hybrid 30 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: musical that we're going to get into and talk about, 31 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: which I can't wait to hear all about. It's the 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 3: first of its kind too, so she's once again groundbreaking. 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: So hopefully you are in for this amazing ride that 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: we're about to dive in to Sandy Knox's inspiring journey 35 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: and discover how for her music truly saved the day. 36 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: Sandy Knox, Welcome to Music Saved Me. It's so great 37 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 3: to have you here. 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I'm so glad to be here. 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: You're my first podcast interview about this project, So this 40 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: is exciting. 41 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: Oh, I am so excited to talk to you about it. 42 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: Before we get into that, I want to kind of 43 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: roll back a bit and go back to sort of 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: the beginning and some of your early inspirations, and maybe 45 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 3: have you shared with our audience a little bit about 46 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 3: your early experiences with music, And I want to know 47 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 3: what first drew you to to songwriting. 48 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: You know, my parents had a very eclectic music collection. 49 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: Music was very prevalent in our home, and I just 50 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: gravitated toward it. It was just something that was always 51 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: there in my ear lyrics. I knew songs, you know, 52 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: I was really as very young, I was studying lyrics. 53 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: When I say studying, I mean like looking at them 54 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: and reading them and wondering, you know. And also, I'll 55 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: just say this, one of the first inspirations probably for 56 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: me for meter and rhyme were Doctor seuss books. Oh interesting, 57 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: because he rhymed everything. There was a there was a 58 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: there was a pattern, there was a meter to his 59 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: books and how they were when you when someone was 60 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: reading them out loud to you. And I think that 61 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: had something to do with me going in that direction 62 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: also toward music. 63 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool. 64 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: You know a lot of people do say that it's 65 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: their parents' music, and of course it would make sense 66 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: the albums, putting them on and hearing them and learning 67 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: them all. Was there a moment that you realized, or 68 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: an event in your life where music was sort of 69 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: more than just entertainment and that it could actually help 70 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: to save you. 71 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: Yes, I will tell you that when I was in 72 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: about seventh grade, well, first of all, I wanted to 73 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: be in the choir. I wanted to be played the 74 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: drums in the marching band. And in order to do 75 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: that in the junior high school that I went to 76 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: in Houston, you had to have a year a choir. 77 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: So I was like, I got to take a year 78 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: a choir, but all I wanted to count on those 79 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: big drums, and so I had to go in and 80 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: take a year a choir. And sixth grade you had 81 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: to sing the choir teacher, Missus Hinkle. You always remember 82 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: the teachers that meant something. Missus Hinkle. She in order 83 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: to so she would know where to place you in 84 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: the choir, you had to sing my Bonny Lies over 85 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: the Ocean, because that has that's a pretty little, rangy 86 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 2: little couple of notes. So I sang it, and I 87 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: remember her turning and looking at me, and she said, 88 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 2: sing it again, and she went up. You know, you 89 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: went up a half step. I matched her. She kept 90 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: going up, she kept going up, and that day, I'm 91 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: going to tear up on saying this, she called my 92 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: mother and said, do you know your daughter can sing? 93 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: And I didn't want to play the drums in that 94 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: marching band anymore. I just wanted to be in the choir. 95 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: And there was just instant acceptance, and all of a sudden, 96 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: the music happened so much more. And I also that year, 97 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: so my parents bought me a guitar and I started 98 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: learning to chords and the first song that I wrote 99 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: was called O Since we Broke Up Chuck, and I 100 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 2: called it up Chuck and. 101 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: The comical sensibility comes right out. 102 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 2: Already, and my parents, believe it or not, said, wow, 103 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: that's actually pretty clever for an eleven year old. And 104 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: so from that point on, songwriting was something I was 105 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: really interested in, and they supported it. They continued to 106 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 2: support it all my life. 107 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 3: That's a big thing what you said about the chorus teacher. 108 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: When someone you look up to tells you that you're 109 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 3: good at something, that's huge. 110 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: Oh sorry about that. 111 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm crying. I'm still you know. I always 112 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: sang around the house and everything, And like I said, 113 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: there was lots of music in our household, and neither 114 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: of my parents played an instrument or sang or anything, 115 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: but music was always being listened to. But yeah, when 116 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: Missus Sinkle called my mother that day and said, you 117 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: need to your daughter can sing, really can sing, and 118 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: you need to maybe get her into voice lessons. 119 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: Wow, wow, So. 120 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: I started taking voice lessons. 121 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: So yeah, have you ever talked to her again since 122 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: then or. 123 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 2: Not since then? But you only had Missus Sinkle for 124 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: one year and then you went into uh next level 125 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 2: acchoir with Missus Scandret and Missus Scandret and I kept 126 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 2: in touch until she passed away. 127 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: Wow, it's amazing that. 128 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: I bet they're just filled with such joy hearing that 129 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: they had such an impact on your life. 130 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Unfortunately they both lived long enough to see my 131 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: early success with my songs. 132 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: That's so great. 133 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: Well, I wonder how songwriting helped you sort of navigate 134 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: through your life once you realized that was what you 135 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 3: wanted to do. Perhaps during maybe difficult times, did you 136 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: sort of grab the pen and just start writing or 137 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: is that you know, is that part of your process? 138 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yes, Can I tell you my publisher loved 139 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: it when I broke up with. 140 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: A boyfriend's the original Taylor Swift. 141 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, the great songs were going to be coming forth. 142 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, I do write about what I'm no except 143 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: in one instance, I will tell you this, does he 144 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: love you? I get asked all the time if I 145 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: ever had an affair with a married man, and that's 146 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: where it came from. I never had an affair with 147 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: a married man that came That song came about because 148 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: of something else totally different, which you know, maybe we'll 149 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: get to that or not. But but for the most part, 150 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: I do pull from things in my life or something 151 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: somebody said, or maybe something I read then I went oof. 152 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: That could be a that could be a song, you 153 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: know in there, so there's a hook is always somewhere, 154 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: you know, it's always spinning around, just somewhere. 155 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: That's true. 156 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: And you've worked with so many incredible artists. Is there 157 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: anyone favorite or collaboration that you had and something that 158 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: really made it extra special that you could share with 159 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: the audience. 160 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: You know, Neil Diamond did a tune of mine called 161 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: Like You Do. It was on this Tennessee Moon album. 162 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: And I got to know Neil a little bit. And uh, 163 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 2: I actually, i'll tell you what. He came to one 164 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: of my gigs, which, let me tell you, look singing 165 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: along doing your gig with your band and looking out 166 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: and singing Neil Diamond sit in front row and center. 167 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: Wow. 168 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: I don't think he was as nervous to see me 169 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: as I wantsh to see him, I bet. But he 170 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: invited me to coming into the studio. He wanted to 171 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: try the song out as a duet and he was 172 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: going to pitch it to Barbara streisand so he said, well, stay, 173 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: will you come out to the studio and sing it, 174 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: you know, try it as a duet? So I did, 175 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: And so that was pretty fun going in the studio 176 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: and just you know, just hanging with Neil. 177 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: You know, singing with Neil Diamond. 178 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: He didn't end up doing it as a duet. He 179 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: did record it, but he did it you know as 180 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: a solo. Yeah, but that was that was pretty cool. 181 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: He mentioned that that I can't imagine that they gets 182 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 3: much bigger than that. But say, for example, you're you know, 183 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: driving in the car and you hear a song that 184 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: you wrote for an artist store. 185 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: You were at a show saying. 186 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 3: You know, what does it feel like when you see 187 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: Dolly Parton singing one of your songs or Donna Summer? 188 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: You know that means maybe is there anything personal that 189 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: in there that it's I can't even imagine what goes 190 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 3: through your mind. 191 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Dolly did a remix of does He 192 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: Love You with Rebus, so that's that cut. You know, 193 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: there is a this career. You know, we're rolling the 194 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: dice when we decide we're going to move to Nashville 195 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: or wherever and pursue songwriting. And when you hear one 196 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: of your tunes on the radio for the first time, 197 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: it is such a stamp of approval. I made it. 198 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I can't believe this. I can't believe 199 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: I did this. It is a it's a huge deal. 200 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: The day that my first cut on Riba, which was 201 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: an album cut song called he Wants to Get Married, 202 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: was also the first day that a single Dion Warwick 203 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 2: came out called where My Lips Have Been? I sat 204 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 2: on the floor of my apartment with the cassettes. I 205 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 2: don't know if I had CDs or cassettes, but I'd 206 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: play one, then I'd play the other I played. I 207 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: just kept going, pinging back and forth listening to both 208 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: of these songs with these iconic artists singing them. That 209 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: was a big day And I'll never forget that moment. 210 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. 211 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 3: And did you ever see the role of music sort 212 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: of and how it connected with mental health and understanding 213 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: that how songs can help us emotionally in terms of healing, 214 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: not just for yourself but also for those of us 215 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 3: listening to these incredible songs. Did you realize that that 216 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 3: was going to be a side effect of what you 217 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: were doing? 218 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: Not really, I will tell you I've had a lot 219 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: of people telling you that certain songs affected them greatly, 220 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: like cause them to stop and think or to put 221 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: things in a different perspective. The first time I did 222 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 2: Dozzi Love You, it had just been released and I 223 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: was performing in Harlan Howard's birthday bash, you know, which 224 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: was a great honor to be asked to come sing 225 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: on that stage. And I got off the stage. The 226 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: song had only been on the radio I'm gonna say 227 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: maybe three weeks, and I sang it with A dear 228 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 2: friend of mine got off the stage, and I remember 229 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: this youngish woman stopped me and said, because of that song, 230 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: I stopped having an affair with a married man that 231 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: has been breaking my heart for years. I'll never forget 232 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 2: that that song had affected her in that manner. As 233 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: sort as mental health. She mentioned mental health. One of 234 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: the ways that music saved me was I was a 235 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 2: pretty fun kid, a little mischievous, got into trouble here 236 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: and there when I was in junior high. One of 237 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: the people at the school, I don't know, I think 238 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: it was the vice principal called my parents and suggested 239 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: that because I one of my conduct cards said, if 240 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 2: there is ever a distraction in the class, we can 241 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: pretty much bank Sandy will be in the middle of 242 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: thought of that. 243 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 3: Now, you know that means good that you were intelligent, 244 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: because it really does a lot of the ones that 245 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 3: didn't pay attentions because they were bored. 246 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: By audim because they knew it already. 247 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: I get that. And this, like I said, I think 248 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: it was the vice principal. He suggested that maybe my 249 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 2: parents should entertain the idea of putting me on Ridlin. 250 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: I think Ridlin was just starting to come out or something. 251 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: It was just so and you know, a drug to 252 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 2: tap me down. And my mother, who was not a 253 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: pill popper, she barely took Tyland all. She said, we 254 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: will not tap down her, her imagination or her creativity. 255 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: Sandy's not going to go on drugs in order to 256 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 2: come to school and be calmer. I thank my mother 257 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: for that so much. I think about that. I thank 258 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: god she didn't say, oh, of course, she said no, 259 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: We're not going to give her a pill to tap 260 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: her down. But what ended up happening is I really 261 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: started channeling my energy towards music and writing songs and 262 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: being and being in shows at school and trying out 263 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: for things. And and then my my click of friends 264 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: started becoming more music oriented or theater. I was very 265 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: involved in theater, and that ended up being what I 266 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: took in college. But it drove me to a different 267 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: group of friends who were a little who were healthier 268 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: for me to be abroud because I could have gone 269 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: a different direction. I had a couple of friends suit yeah, 270 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: inviting me to be in get into trouble. 271 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: I bet you remember their names too. 272 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: In contact with them, are you? 273 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: That's so fun? 274 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: One of them became a police officer. 275 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: Oh interesting, isn't that funny? What you know? 276 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: Focus sounds to me more like what you really needed, 277 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: which is what you found in getting into that music thing. 278 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: And you know, I always like to ask my guests 279 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: what advice they would give to those who want to 280 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: get into this and also to use it as a 281 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: way of sort of coping or healing, especially if they 282 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: dream of a career in songwriting. 283 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: What kind of advice would you give them? 284 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: Wow, you know, the terrain has changed a great deal 285 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: since I entered and since I moved here in nineteen 286 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: eighty three with fifteen hundred dollars in my pocket and 287 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: not even knowing a soul in this town. But music 288 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: was just it was just it was all I could 289 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: think about. And it was also no matter if I 290 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: never if I never ever got paid. This is what 291 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: I was gonna do. It was that important to me. 292 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: I think, you know, God, giving advice to young people 293 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: about this career, I think you've got it. You have 294 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: to believe in yourself. I think it's very important to 295 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: research the history of songwriters in their lives and learn 296 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: what and who went before you. I think that's crazy important. 297 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: I would love it. If a couple of the schools here, 298 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: a couple of the universities that have music industry programs 299 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: would have a class, a class in the history of 300 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: like songwriters and stuff in their journey. I think that's 301 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: very important, and I did that before I moved here. 302 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: I read every hardback book I could find on the 303 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: on songwriters' bios, on music industry, on people's journey, and 304 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: to find out that a lot of them stumbled and 305 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: fell several times. Boy, okay, then I can stumble and fall. 306 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: I can get back up too, then because look what 307 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: they did. So I think that that's an important part 308 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: of the music. But a new you know, I just 309 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: think I go to the old adage, write what to know. 310 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: I would not write a long about being a golden 311 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: medal Olympias, because I don't anything about that. But I 312 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: think that's important, right, what you know? And you got 313 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: to stay true to your star. And I'll tell you what, 314 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 2: continuing to believe in yourself. That's a hard road. Sometimes 315 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: that's a really hard road. But as my mother said, 316 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: because there were a couple of times I wanted to bail, 317 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: I wanted to give up, and my mother would say, well, 318 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 2: you know, if if you keep trying, if you give up, 319 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: you have one hundred percent chance of not making it. 320 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 2: If you keep trying, at least you got a fifty 321 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: percent chance. 322 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: That's great advice and. 323 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: I'll never forget that because there were times when I 324 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 2: just wanted to. 325 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: Throw in the tail glass. 326 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 3: Oh there's times, I'm sure even up until this moment 327 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: that there have been. 328 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: But you know, what you said really hits home. 329 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 3: To me because you know, I moved in New York 330 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 3: with six months disposable income, and if I didn't make it, 331 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 3: I was going to go home. So one of those 332 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: things is to be to be fearless, you know, take 333 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 3: a calculated risk and and do your do your homework 334 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 3: on the history of what you what you want to 335 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 3: I think that that's probably the first time I've ever 336 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 3: heard anyone give that kind of advice, and it's such 337 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 3: great advice. 338 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 2: Study study of the especially because this this industry. You know, 339 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: at that point when I was making my journey into 340 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: there were there wasn't colleges where you could go take 341 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: classes in the music industry and such. Now there are 342 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 2: kids have a little bit more of an opportunity to 343 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: go study. There are several colleges. But you know, all 344 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: I had was to be able to read and and 345 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: try to dive into stuff. And you know, I had 346 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 2: so many books on the music industry and on Elvis. 347 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 2: I loved Elvis. 348 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, who doesn't love Elvis? 349 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: I found live three times before I was gosh, before 350 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: I was eighteen years old. 351 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: Wow, I never got to see him. 352 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 3: I wish I did, you know, And that brings me 353 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 3: to my next question about funny or surprising stories from 354 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 3: your time Off the top of your head, You've always 355 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 3: wanted to tell that you haven't been able to tell. 356 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: Nothing salacious, but just something okay, spectacular. Well, if you 357 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: want to get salatious, you know what I mean. 358 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: Here's a story when I first moved here in nineteen 359 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 2: eighty three, and I can tell you August. August thirteenth, 360 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty three is the day that the U 361 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 2: haul pulled up. Because my dad drove the U haul 362 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: and I drove my car. The next day, he flew 363 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 2: back to Houston, and I went to the grocery store 364 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: because I had my first apartment all by myself. I 365 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: was scared to death, and I loaded up the cart 366 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: with food because I was putting stuff in my brand 367 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 2: new apartment, and all of a sudden it dawned on 368 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: me that I was very much alone in the city 369 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: I'd never been to, and I didn't know anybody, and 370 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 2: I needed to get a job and bub blah, and 371 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 2: I just burst into tears in the I think it 372 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: was the spice isle of the Kroger, and I just 373 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: left my cart and in the middle of the aisle 374 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: and went home to cry because it was it was 375 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: so scary. But I don't know where we are on time, 376 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: But I will tell you this story. When I moved here, 377 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 2: we were Nashville was in the middle of a phone strike, 378 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: so I couldn't get a new phone. So I am 379 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: delivering cassette tapes at publishers with no contact information because 380 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: I didn't have a phone. So I had my name 381 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 2: and I think I wrote my address, and so somebody 382 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: had told me, a neighbor had said, you know, to go. 383 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 2: And this is the funny thing about Nashville. You know, 384 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: it's a lot about who you know, networking or whatever. 385 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 2: But I took I dropped off a tape. A couple 386 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: of days later, I decided to call and follow up. 387 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: I call him. Follow up, I said, and get to 388 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 2: the woman and said, can I ask for Roger Sovin 389 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: and can I tell him it's callin Sandy. Not Roger 390 00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: comes on the phone, he picks up in the go 391 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: they where have you been? And I'm thinking that The 392 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: receptionist said, Tammy, why nuts online one Sandy and he's 393 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: picked up the wrong line. I said, this is Sandy 394 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 2: Knox and he said, I know you didn't put your 395 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: phone number on your cassette. 396 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: Goosebumps. 397 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, yeah, so that was me. That was a 398 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 2: fun I never forgot that moment that he actually wanted 399 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: to pick up the phone talk to me. 400 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? 401 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 3: And you know, you wonder if that cassettes even never 402 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 3: get to the desk of the person you're sending it 403 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 3: to to begin with. 404 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's great. Oh my gosh. 405 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 3: I don't want to let you go because there's so 406 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 3: much more I want to talk about with you. But 407 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 3: let's get to something that we kind of teased up front, 408 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 3: which is sort of your groundbreaking. You're you're doing an 409 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 3: audio book slash musical and it's called Waiting. And there 410 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: was a quote that I had to read real quick 411 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 3: from it. It says we will all meet the love 412 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 3: of our lives, reside in a perfect fairy tale existence, 413 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: and achieve complete and total world peace just as soon 414 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 3: as we lose twenty pounds. 415 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's like going on a diet Monday, you know. 416 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: Can you tell us about this exciting new chapter for 417 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: you and what we can expect? 418 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it is an audiobook slash musical, So 419 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: I call it a boobsicle. That's what I've called it 420 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 2: for the last several years. I've been working on it, 421 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 2: and it's about a place that I actually went to 422 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: after breaking up with a bad boyfriend. It was kind 423 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: of a diet place, an alternative to going, you know, 424 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: on a cruise where you'd eep all the time. It 425 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: was like a place where you went and kind of 426 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 2: were healthy and watched your food and your intake. And 427 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: I left that place thinking, man, there's something something about 428 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: this place and the people I met and everything else. 429 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 2: And I started thinking about is this a song? And 430 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: then I realized it was much more than a song, 431 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: and so through. And that was in nineteen ninety six, 432 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: ninety seven, so years later, I really started thinking about 433 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: it as something else. First it was going to be 434 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: a musical, and then during COVID I started thinking, when 435 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 2: the lockdown happened and live venues and everything we're on 436 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 2: the download, I started thinking, you know, I think I 437 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: could write this as a audio book and interweave songs, 438 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: let the songs happen at a certain times. So that's 439 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: how it was born. 440 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's so cool if you could sort of 441 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 3: is there any connection or how can people get this 442 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: and see it and hear it? 443 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 2: Well, it will be available across all audiobook platforms. And 444 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: then we have a single. There's a single coming out 445 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 2: called there Could Never Be Enough of You. Yeah, well 446 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: we all want to hear right from yes, everybody who 447 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: says they love us. And then the whole soundtrack of 448 00:23:54,840 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: It's twenty eight chapters, twenty one original songs and it 449 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: and the whole book is only five and a half hours. 450 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 2: It's not a huge listening commitment. And then the soundtrack 451 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: drops on July eleventh, and that'll be on every music 452 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 2: platform where you get your tunes. 453 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: That's what they wherever you get your tunes. 454 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 3: I like that Instead of your podcast, Sandy Knox, I 455 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 3: could talk to you all day. It is just such 456 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: an honor to meet you, and I can't believe how 457 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 3: much we actually have in common personally. I would love 458 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 3: to talk to you when we're done with this and 459 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 3: just compare notes. And I really appreciate you coming on 460 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 3: the show and sharing all of this personal stuff with 461 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: everyone because I think it's just so important. 462 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: Because we're so much more alike than we are different. 463 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 3: And you know, if just one person listening takes the 464 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: advice of someone who's been there, done that, then we've 465 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 3: done our job. 466 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: So Sandy, thank you so much 467 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: Thank you so much.