WEBVTT - Climax Change: Annie Sprinkle, Beth Stephens, and Ecosexuality 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:05.520 It's weird sitting down to the mic again. Yeah, let 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:07.320 me just up right at the top. I will throw 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.240 for the listeners. I almost say, the viewers. The viewers, 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:12.440 that's how that's how disconnected I am from the audio 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:13.160 world right now. 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:15.720 In their mind's eye, I'm sure they're picturing it. 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.959 Oh, they're picturing much better than what than reality. 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.800 I don't like to share pictures of ourselves. We prefer 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:24.720 whatever you're thinking. 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.120 But I will say we continue to be scattered and 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.680 sporadic for various reasons. But I am still very excited. 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.440 We will have news for you guys soon about you know, 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.199 our schedules lately and how everything's been going one way 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.160 or another. I think the you know, the fires of industry. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.800 They burn slow, but we're on the break. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:49.880 They burn fast, but they warm slow. Yeah, maybe something. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.880 We're on the brink of cool new news. But until then, 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:54.880 got to. 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.280 Say, we appreciate your patience. Really sorry to be so 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:03.400 spotty with our recordings out, but we really really enjoy 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.959 making this show. We promise we are working on it, 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.960 and we miss you guys. So I'm missing us, guys. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.440 We've gotten some messages checking in, are you guys? 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:17.280 Okay, how nice to we are people to care you. 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.240 Are, and I'll be worth it. I'm so, I'm so 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.800 very excited. But part of recently we did go out 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:24.160 of town. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:26.679 We did go out of town. We're reacted, of course, 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.440 the promised land Las Vegas. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:29.240 Baby. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.119 We got offered some free rooms because of our last 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:33.839 trip to Vegas. 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:34.880 It doesn't take much. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.399 Apparently, Eli just kind of turned me. It's like, hey, 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.000 I don't know, do you want to go stay? Do 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:41.600 you want to go back to Vegas? And we hadn't 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.720 planned a trip for this year, so I was like, fine. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.720 If I may say, I got that email offering us 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.200 three free nights at Park MGM, and I turned to 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:56.200 you very much expecting an eye roll, and what yeah, sure, great, 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.440 No I'm not going back to Vegas. And I distinctly 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.520 remember you saying, you know what, let's do it. And 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:04.920 I was shocked, right, I was like, well, if you 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.640 want to, then we're definitely going, because I always want 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.000 to well, I want to go somewhere. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.920 I don't want all our vacations to just be Vegas. 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:13.519 I don't either. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:14.520 That is not going to work. 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:18.280 This one ended up being a full seven days, really 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.480 crazy and I'm good for a minute, and. 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.399 I'm going to tell y'all seven days is too long. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.960 It's too much Vegas. But I mean, we usually take 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.840 a trip for anniversary. It's the anniversary next week actually, 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.040 And we hadn't really planned anything this year because of 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.600 all the reasons. We're so scattered, we're not really sure 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.600 what's going on right now. So a lot of things 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:37.840 up in the air, a lot of balls up in 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.240 the air. So we were like, I was just like, 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:41.960 I don't know what else we're going to plan for 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:43.880 this year, so we may as well just go for it. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.360 I mean, I feel like free stuff. I'm fine to 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:50.320 accept free stuff. And we did accept a lot of 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:50.880 free stuff. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.880 Oh did we? And I'll tell you well, we'll give 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.240 a little brief recap of the trip in the in 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.160 the upfront here. We got in the park MGM. They 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.239 gave us a nice upgrade to our room, which was 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.520 very kind of them. They put us up on the 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:08.320 twenty third floor, which had been recently renovated, and they 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.720 put us in a stay well room which has a 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:17.360 air purifier and hypoallergenic pillows and a vitamin C infused shower. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.560 Whatever that means, it means nothing. What it is is 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.480 you go in there and the hose of the shower 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.600 has this little it looks like the Ninja Turtles two 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.320 secret of the loose canister except the orange and the 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.320 shower water is going through that before it comes out 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.240 the shower heads. You're like, some tang is being applied 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.600 to our skin right now in this shower there. The 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:44.320 room itself, however, did not appeal to us. It was 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:49.360 an accessibility room, which is wonderful and helpful I'm sure 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.400 for someone who needs it, but like, for example, are 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.400 the closet rod was set very low, so Diana couldn't 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.960 hang the dresses that she brought up in the closet. 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.800 And there's no furniture because obviously they want the walkways 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:01.960 to be so there was no drawers to put our 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:05.920 clothes in some of these things that or or for example, 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.520 we really liked the standing shower that we had last 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.440 time when we stayed there, and this time there was 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.800 a tub with some you know, accessibility features handrails and 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.320 a sitting tub with a bench and things like that, 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:18.799 which is all cool, but it wasn't for us. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.080 Yeah, we didn't need it. Yeah, So it was just like, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.080 you know, a little bit disappointing. But I thought it 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.000 was very strange that a lot of the decor was 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:27.800 just gone. And you know, it was like some of 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.799 the stuff on the wall, I feel like it shouldn't 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.520 have an effect, or even painting the wall or something 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.400 just so that has some vibes in there. It's still 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.839 a nice hotel room. The view was great. It was 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:38.719 like a pool view. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:39.760 Oh pools had view lovely. 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.240 But yeah, in a lot of ways, I'm just kind 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.680 of I was sort of like, well, I'm angry for 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.120 my accessibility friends who are getting this kind of like 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.400 dingy room, but I'm glad that they. Of course, it's 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.920 very important to have those accommodations. Yeah, that's more important 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.320 that you can your room is functional than pretty. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:05:00.560 So the next day, Diana had treated herself to a 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.560 Belagio massage spa package, and I know you had questioned 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.200 it do I you know, I don't want to spend 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.159 this money, and I was like, do it. We're here, 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.240 We're making this as cheap a vacation as we can 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:11.960 have your one splurge thing. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:12.719 It's true. 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.880 And while she was gone, I thought, well, maybe I'll 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.159 see if I can get our room changed. And so 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.960 you tell them your SPA experience. 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.919 Which I was. I'm already looking into like a mister 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:27.560 Bean clown school or something, because I really want to 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.400 make anxious girl it goes to the spa clown routine 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.680 because there were many things about it that were very 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.440 anxiety inducing in some ways. And I told him right 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.640 up front, A very bad at relaxing, so we're here 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.440 to learn. But there are lots of things like the 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.240 shower was incredibly hot and I couldn't I couldn't change 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.839 the temperature because there's too many knobs. So it's just 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:48.839 various little things like that. It was totally making me 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.200 laugh though otherwise it was just a beautiful experience. I mean, 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.080 they were really nice there. They really weren't sneery at all. 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.120 Don't I don't go to spas, so I didn't know 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.720 what to do. I don't know if the policy protocols 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.080 or protocols or how you move around that space looking 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.960 like you belong, right, but they were so so nice. 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.840 It was really beautiful facility. The massage was amazing. I 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.320 also got this like CBD body scrub treatment thing that 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.000 was really nice, and so I was I came out. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.240 Like when I went back out to leave, this other 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.000 lady was like, did you get a facial today? And 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.640 I was like, no, I didn't. I got, you know, 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.640 my my two treatments. She's like, well, you are just glowing, 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:26.960 and I was like, well, I feel like I'm glowing. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.480 And maybe she says that to everybody, but it worked 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.160 for me. So it was just a lovely experience. I 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:33.719 was like, I'm so glad I did it. It was 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:34.799 so so wonderful. 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.039 Cut to me, I'm like sweating. I did move the room. 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.280 So I'm hauling all of our bags up and down 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.120 elevators three days. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:44.240 But yes, I called him. I was like, I'm done 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.960 at the Bellagio and he's like, I'm just moving us 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.320 to our new room. So I'll come, you know, come 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.120 on through and I'll show it to you. And Eli 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.680 meets me down a lobby and he's he was like, 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.040 all right, so yeah, I asked about a room upgrade 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:02.200 or switching the room, and and you know, it's it's 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.719 a better room. It's definitely a bit it's worth moving. 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.000 I'm glad that we moved. Don't have, you know, lower 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.239 your expectations. And I was like, okay, it's just better. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.880 So I was like, it's a standard room whatever. And 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.120 we go up to the twenty eighth floor, this time 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.840 higher than before. Oh that's nice. He's like the views 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.560 not as good and stuff, but whatever, it's fine, and 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:23.320 he's walking me to the room and it's like right 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.560 there by the elevators. Didn't realize he was filming me. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.800 That would have been a real giveaway because he opened 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.200 the door and it was like the most amazing suite 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.480 that I've ever been in. I was like, what am 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:36.160 I looking at? 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:38.520 Was closet? 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.560 We had a walk in closet. The bathroom is amazing, 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.080 so cute and had all of the little decor and 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.160 details that I had been looking for, and it was 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:50.960 so lovely, and I was just like. 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.840 Wow, it was it was a worse view. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:59.600 It was a worse view, but who cares better? Oh man, 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.000 it was just so such a nice surprise. So I 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.360 was just like, I'm already feeling so good, and then 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.320 he had spent all this time to make me feel 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.040 even better. It was really nice. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.280 Well look at me, look at you, sweating and dragon 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.480 and I know you had the very opposite of relaxing experience. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:20.080 But but then bullet points, let's see lots of money, 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.840 want some money, saw caw it struck to Sole, which 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.680 is really cool. We saw a fantasy at Luxur which 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.240 was so we went for like, oh, we'll see like 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:35.280 a strip tease sexy girls show. It was hilarious. The 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.800 MC was just killer. She's an incredible singer and comedian. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.640 And there was a stand up that was awesome. It 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.000 was just a great show. Really loved it. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:44.880 Yeah, I was so surprised because it's one of the 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.360 cheaper shows that we went to, and I was like, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.920 this one's actually really good. And then girls were very 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.520 pretty and they danced really well, and I mean everything 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.320 was really fun. So I was just like, I don't know, 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.559 this is great. And we were like right in the 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.000 front row too. It's kind of freaky, but fortunately nobody 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.040 bothered us. They had other people. They had drunker people 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:02.760 to make fun of. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.959 We saw Piff the Magic Dragon from America's Got Talent. 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.000 He was hilarious. And then and then yeah, and then 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:13.240 we were gonna leave Friday, and Caesar's Properties offered us 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.560 two more free nights at the Horseshoe. I don't know 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.120 why we're not high rollers. We're not big spenders. I 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:20.199 guess they just like us. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.200 We just said why not and. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:26.040 Then we left. We checked out the day that MGM 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.560 got hacked, but we were we had moved over to 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.240 a Caesar's property so we didn't have to deal with it. 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.000 We didn't even know what was happening until we until 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:32.440 we left. 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:36.760 Yeah, we also were there when Ed Sheeran canceled the concert, 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.600 just like an hour or something before it was supposed 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.480 to go on. God and I had gone up to 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.400 the room and seeing these five girls leaving their room 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.360 at the Horseshoe dressed like Ed Sheeran, like they had 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.600 full on Weasley red wigs, I was like, they're either 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.800 Weasley's or Ed Sheeran, I don't know which one. And 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.319 when I realized Ed Seron was playing, it was like 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.440 that's definitely what it was. All were in the same outfit, 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.400 they had like uh drawn on facial hair and everything, 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.600 and I was just like so excited for them because 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.040 I was like, what an amazing night they're going to 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:07.120 have it Ed Sheeran. 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.120 And then he canceled, and I was just. 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.520 Thinking about them all weekend, like I hope they went 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.079 to karaoke and all saying shape of You together or something. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.200 People were mad, but I were mad. I heard it 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.400 was a legit safety issue. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.280 Yes it was. It sounded like it was the right 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.200 thing to do. But I definitely felt sorry because we 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.000 were talking about some people had the worst, very worst 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.120 possible Vegas vacation that they could have had because they 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:35.320 flew in to stay at an MGM property and see 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.480 Ed Sheeran and instead they did not see Ed Sheerant, 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:42.559 and they got their credit card information compromise and couldn't. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.640 Play anything slot like hours to check out of your. 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.400 Anyway, crazy situation. So we got very Maybe we didn't 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.200 make our fortune in Vegas, but I still feel like 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:52.680 we were very, very lucky. 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.600 Yes, yes, we had a really nice time. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.080 It was wonderful, some good food. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.679 So that's the bullet point. We won't spend the whole 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.439 episodisode recounting like we did last year when we went 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:06.360 to Vegas with Cherry and Jason. But uh, but we're back. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.760 We're in our in our in our house. Yay. Not 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:11.680 a sweet, not a. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.679 Sweet that does not get turned down every naw. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.760 Yeah, No one comes in here and cleans when we 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:16.520 go out to work. 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.560 Who's responsible for this bathroom? 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.960 Right? And uh, none of the games I'm playing even 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.760 have the possibility of paying me money anymore. 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:31.040 You're paying them. Yeah, so but onward you're different out here. 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:35.319 Yeah. But I am excited to be back to this 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.480 because I do love doing this so much more than 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.719 sitting around and waiting to do this, which is what 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.920 I spend the rest of my time doing. Well. 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.680 Also, this one's really interesting. Yeah, this is fun because 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.000 I get last episode we were talking about fuck for Forrest. 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.880 If you can remember way back, ask your grandparents if 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.160 they remember that episode. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:59.000 Yeah, go back to the ancestry decades ago. But yeah, 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.600 one of our story, and that one was about the 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.560 non well I guess it's not really technically a nonprofit, 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:10.199 but they're trying to basically make pornography to raise money 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.320 to give to environmental causes, and they sometimes have sex 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.680 with vegetables, okay, and so it's like, hmm, and apparently 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.080 that is part of being an eco sexual, which is 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.280 this whole sexual identity. I had never heard of this, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.640 even doing this show for two years, had not this 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.679 had not come up for us. So this was really exciting. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.959 And it turns out that the pioneers of ecosexuality are 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.800 a married lesbian couple who have spent decades making art 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:41.079 around female sexuality, gender identity, queer identity, and environmental action. 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.079 So all lots of things that we're interested in, especially 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.760 at this show. So let's talk about Annie Sprinkle, Beth 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.720 Stevens and the eco sexual identity that proclaims that Earth 0:12:52.960 --> 0:13:00.400 is not our mother but our love. Oh okay, let's go, yay. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:04.040 Come listen. Well, Eli and Diana got some stories to tell. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.440 There's no matchmaking a romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:09.640 relations ships. 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:10.120 I love. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.520 There might be any type of person at all, an 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.719 abstract concept or a concrete wall. But if there's a 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:20.839 story where the Second clans ridiculous romance. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:21.760 A production of iHeartRadio. 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:28.240 Elizabeth Stevens was born in nineteen sixty in Montgomery, West Virginia, 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:32.360 deep in coal country, to a coal company owning family, 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.960 which must be an interesting thing for her to deal 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.240 with now that she's such an environmental you know, activists, right. 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.240 She went to lots of great schools, Tufts, the Museum's School, 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.360 and Rutgers, earning fine arts degrees, and then she was 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.439 hired at the University of California in Santa Cruz UC 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:54.040 Santa Cruz in nineteen ninety three, where as outsiderfest dot 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:58.160 Org writes, she was quote a feisty, punk, dyke, playboy, 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:05.080 interdisciplinary artist and professor exploring themes of gender, queerness and feminism. 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.520 I know that that was my crowd in college. Hell yeah, 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:08.959 I honest. 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.320 I don't know. If I could have hung out with them, 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.240 I would have felt not cool enough, but I would 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:14.560 have been like, they're so cool. 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.000 Oh. I was just like sitting like, just keep your 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:22.560 mouth shut. Just it's cool that you're here. Just to live, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.120 to be included. Just live in it. Don't say, don't 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:25.760 ruin it. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.440 Just let it happen. Just happy to be in the 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:32.840 room exactly. One of Beth's earliest projects is a film 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.680 from nineteen eighty nine called Women Eating, and another from 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.560 the same year where she interviews Wahawk and women and then. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.240 She would eventually chair the art department at UC Santa 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.280 Cruz twice, once between two thousand and six and two 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.920 thousand and nine and then again from twenty seventeen until 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:48.640 twenty twenty. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.920 You know, it's very rude to watch women eating and 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:54.480 women talking at the same time. 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:56.320 You can't. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.440 You want to make sure you've finished women eating and 0:14:58.480 --> 0:14:59.720 then you can go into women talking. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.960 But don't then watch women swallowing. That's a very different film. 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.720 Oh nope, the in between film is not the same. 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:07.800 It's not part of the series. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.840 All right, So the other woman here, Annie Sprinkle. She's 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.320 going to take a little bit longer to introduce. She 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:19.520 was born Ellen f Steinberg in Philly in nineteen fifty four, 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.920 and then her family moved to la and then they 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.160 moved to Panama during her teen years, and when she 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.840 was eighteen, she was working at a movie theater in Tucson, 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:35.080 Arizona that was showing the seminole porn film Deep Throat, 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:39.240 Ah the classic. Ellen here was working at the Deep 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.720 Throat screening and the movie theater she was working at 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.560 got busted for showing an adult movie. Oh we swear 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:48.240 we thought it was about the Nixon tapes. Well. Ellen 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.200 was called as a witness during this case, and when 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.120 she went to the courthouse, she met and fell head 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:58.680 over heels for Deep Throats director Gerard Damiano. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:15:59.440 Wow. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.280 She became his mistress and she followed him to New 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.720 York City and Not long after, she of course naturally 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:10.000 started doing porn herself under the name Annie Sprinkle. Her 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.280 best known porn you all know and love. It's one 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.720 that she co directed. It's called Deep Inside Annie Sprinkle, 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.440 and it was the second highest grossing porn film of 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.960 nineteen eighty one. Did you happen to find the first? 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:24.480 I did? 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:24.560 Not? 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:26.000 I should find it. 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.480 You know, it doesn't even matter because who inside Annie Sprinkle? 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:31.680 I mean, come on, really, get me a lot of 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.520 I assume it's about an introspective look, yeah, exactly into 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.280 the soul of Annie Sprinkle and not. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.000 It's basically beat poetry. 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.359 Sure, beat your meat poetry. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.520 Beat your meat poetry. You know, Annie would probably approve 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.080 of that. I think she'd be like, I'm down for 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.520 beat your meat poetry. Let's get this going. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:58.600 Bongo drums, Jack carra whass Jack Carroll whack off. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.400 Jack Carroll whack off. Yeah, doing beat the meat poetry. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.240 Jack off carohakoff. 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.440 Oh my god, we should do that meat poetry. Okay, 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.280 I'm the work on anxious girl going to the spa, 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.960 but you need to work on jack off kro whakhoff 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:12.200 doing beat your meat poetry? 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.480 All right, that's it everyone ridiculous from it's canceled. We're 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:16.920 focused on this project. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.359 Now we have some art. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:19.960 To make, all right. Well. 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.560 Anny then started getting into sex education as well as entertainment. 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:28.080 She created a Sluts and Goddesses workshop about female pleasure 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:32.280 in nineteen ninety one that then became a video workshop series. 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.560 In nineteen ninety six, she became the first known porn 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:40.199 star to earn a doctorate degree, which she got in 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.680 human sexuality. And I love the qualifier. They're like, lots 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.880 of people have doctorate degrees, lots of people are porn stars. 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:50.679 A lot of people with doctors don't tell you if 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.359 they ever did porn. Oh, they don't let you know. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.560 But she's like, I'm just the first body who said it. Yeah, yeah, I'm. 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:56.919 Proud of it. 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.320 I want you to know. Okay, I bet there's a 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.399 lot more people now that have like doctorates that are 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:03.520 on OnlyFans house. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.640 Do you think they paid for medical exactly right? 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.800 But anyway, at the time, this was a real surprise. 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:14.359 And then she pioneered feminist pornography or porn based on 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.840 women's desires, which she kind of created because she wanted 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.200 to defy a feminist group that operated in the seventies 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:27.800 and eighties that was hilariously called WOP Women Against Pornography. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.480 What but I kind of love the idea of Cardi 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.480 b and Megan thee Stallion being like, you know what, 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:37.480 I'm taking it back. WOP now means wet ass pussy. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:38.120 How about that? 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.440 Wow, women against Pornography? You get a bucket and a mop. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:45.719 We're going to clean up this town. What if that 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.479 have been their slogan is like, We're going to get 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.680 a bucket and a mop and clean up this town. 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.400 Oh my god, I love it so much. Uh, Annie's 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:57.600 Beinka also made lesbian porn and a transgender love story 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.800 film Okay, which you know again she's she's making movies 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.399 in the nineties. This was a real boundary that she 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:04.040 was pushing. 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:05.119 Uh. 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.879 Some other genres that she has been at the for scanna, 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:16.040 I mean forefront of Wow whoops em uh are include 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:22.560 genres like edgy porn, triple X docu drama, gonzo porn, okay, 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.560 art porn, and feminist erotica. 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:30.440 All right, gonzo porn more like gonzo journalism, not muppets. 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:31.680 I'm assuming. 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:36.720 Well, look, you know what, there's something everybody with pornography, 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.320 but gonzo porn like gonzo journalism. It kind of sounds 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.720 like you run up on somebody. 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:46.280 Like yeah, Wikipedia tells me it's the style of pornographic 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.280 film that attempts to place the viewer directly into the scene. 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.159 Oh so it's like POV porn. 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.479 Yeah kind of maybe so yeah, yeah, POV is what 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:55.680 they get into here. Yeah. 0:19:55.760 --> 0:20:00.720 So, well, apparently any VR, porn, VR, early VR. I'm 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.639 surprised she's not working on so maybe she is. 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:03.680 She may be. Well. 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.000 Annie Spinkle one of the first to do POV porn. 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.880 I yes, she also worked as a prostitute. She got 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.800 into burless, she did live sex shows, and she wrote 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.640 for sex magazines. So she's just all over the sex industry. 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:21.520 Annie also started doing performance art. Naturally, she needed every 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.080 outlet she could find to get this. She clearly a 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:29.240 lot of performance hey now. This included her best known piece, 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:36.280 public cervix Announcement, where where she lets the audience view 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:40.280 her cervix with a speculum and a flashlight to quote 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.600 celebrate the female body. And I mean I celebrate a 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.639 lot of things that I don't need a very close 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.920 look at. Don't tell me what's in that cake for example, 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.439 I'm good with the big picture. 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.520 Well it doesn't know, won't hurt me? Yeah exactly, but 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.679 I don't know won't hurt me. Another formance piece she 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:04.720 did was called The Legend of the Ancient Sacred Prostitute, 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.600 where she does something called a quote sex magic masturbation 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:10.120 ritual on stage. 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.600 Sex magic sounds like a very White song to me, 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:19.320 Oh yeah, baby, ooh, I'm gonna turn you on with 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.480 my six magic. 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:22.200 Uh huh. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.320 Give it to us, very if it don't work for 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:32.960 you to bear that movie tragy, because we was made 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:39.639 for a low murderer, were made for to Juny of 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:43.000 those books and wed a lowe. 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.160 Wow, very very. 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:48.240 Journy. 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:54.000 Other book, Very, how did you get in here? 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:59.640 You gonna pull a scarf, ride out on my hat 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.080 and then you jump in the box. 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:05.760 And I was ritual and half straight or blow out 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:08.000 the back, but out there. 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:14.600 Us up. Okay, he tied the magic back in. I 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:16.240 see that's good. 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:18.720 Okaye. He's a sex. 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:19.640 Magician, sex magician. 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:21.200 Yeah, he's pulling things out of his sack. 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:26.639 He's pulling things out of somewhere. All right, Well, thanks 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:31.520 for stopping by special guest star Very White today's episode. 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:34.000 I'm doing a real bad job, David. 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:40.400 All Right. So Annie also has toured internationally for years 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.840 doing her performance art. She is often presented as a 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:47.240 visiting artist at universities and colleges all over the US 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:51.200 and Europe, and her work is also studied in courses 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:56.119 all over in colleges like women's studies, queer studies, film history, 0:22:56.560 --> 0:23:03.520 human sexuality, courses like that, the history of World War Two. Sure, 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:08.919 home economics, I'm sure ap calculus. That's high school, but 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:10.320 you know it's an advanced class. 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:16.040 So making taught again with Annie Sprinkle, Now that would work, 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:19.520 I mean maybe it would. Well, that's pretty cool. I 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:23.240 mean that's cool to first of all, get get get 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:26.600 a doctorate in human sexuality and then start adding so 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:30.320 much to the study of human sexuality with your own 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:31.800 work and your own art and everything. 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:35.160 I mean, in such a school, no pun intended, untapped field, 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:37.560 I mean, there is a lot of room for new 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:41.720 movement and new ideas and stuff. There's barely anybody focused 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.320 and studying it. So you come in and it's kind 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.000 of the you know, it's the world's your playground, right, Yeah, 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:49.600 you can got to say, no one's it now it's 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.679 up to new scholars to contest what you said. But 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.720 you've got no rules you want. 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.880 I guess that's true. She also was saying, she said 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.000 in some interview that she was like a lot of 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:04.960 sex workers don't care about the art world, but I 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.640 found it to be more free, Like I was able 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:10.919 to be more free with my sexuality and with my 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:15.639 with my creative expression in the art world than I 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:17.840 was in the sex world. And I thought that was 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:21.120 interesting because the art world can be very stuffy, the. 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:23.240 Art world can be very excluding. 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:26.679 Yeah, So that was a cool thing to read from. 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.679 Her, because artists are kind of sometimes artists I have 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:33.360 found dabbling in the art world ourselves a little bit. 0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:36.960 I sort of feel like if you're not also an artist, 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:38.880 if you don't speak the language, if you don't understand, 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:43.000 you're less invited, yeah than us. Yeah, But with sex, 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:47.560 like everybody is invited, Like you can't exclude like literally everyone, 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:52.560 almost everybody, everybody, but you know, as a as a 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.359 general rule, most people are involved in sex in some 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.120 way in their lives, if nothing else. It's what brought 0:24:58.119 --> 0:24:58.480 them here. 0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:01.440 So it's hard to exclude very true. 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:03.440 You know, anyone from that very. 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.760 True, and it's hard to I mean, you can put 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:08.960 a lot of academic language on the human body and 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:11.320 stuff like that, but there's still a lot of room 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.280 for a lack of pretension because it is I mean, 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:17.119 we make funny faces that, we make funny noises, you 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:19.400 know what I mean. It's a joyous expression a lot 0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:23.000 of time. So anyway, it's hard to get too stuffy 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:24.480 about it, right, getting stuffed. 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.720 Don't get stuffy about getting stuffed. 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:33.560 Annie Sprinkleway. Well, anyway, maybe it's no surprise to anyone 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:36.880 that when these two radical queer, sex positive art making 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:40.680 feminists met each other, they like immediately fell head over 0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:44.320 heels for one another, and they started collaborating together, and 0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.679 in two thousand and four they committed to seven years 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:50.440 of art projects about love called the Love Art Laboratory, 0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:55.159 and these projects always included a wedding. Okay, Now, at 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:58.119 the time, this was really pushing some boundaries because marriage 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:00.639 equality was a really big issue. Kind of hard to 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:03.720 remember how crazy this was now and we were there 0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.439 for it, you know what I mean. But there was 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:08.800 such a tug of war going on in the US 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:13.240 about whether or not same sex marriage was okay. Basically 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.640 so over the seven years that these ladies were doing 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:20.960 these projects, many states would legalize same sex marriage in 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.320 their own state and then have it overturned by a 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:26.919 constitutional amendment, kind of like with California's Prop eight or 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:31.720 Prop eight as we called it. Between especially twenty four 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.639 and twenty fifteen, people were getting the right to have 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:38.199 domestic or civil unions instead of marriage. It was just 0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:42.000 like a different word, so stupid, So they were getting 0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:45.600 permission for that, while other states were at the same 0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:48.840 time defining marriage as being between a man and woman, 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.760 no one else can get married. Many places were issuing 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.119 marriage licenses so people would get married, and then they 0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:56.560 would later invalidate the marriage license, so now you're not 0:26:56.600 --> 0:27:00.560 married anymore. Just a really chaotic situation going on for 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:05.480 many years until finally, finally SCOTUS ruled same sex marriage 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:10.919 bands unconstitutional in twenty fifteen. Boom, Now we barely remember relish. 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:13.200 I know, well it's wild and you know, and it's 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:16.040 not like it's not coming up again because people are 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.240 still real sensitive about it for some reason. And I'm 0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:20.919 sitting here after you know how many years we've been 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.679 doing this show and thinking, y'all, can you can we 0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.080 just ignore that. We got people out here trying to 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:31.160 marry computer programs and buildings and shit and this, and 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:32.959 you know, personally, I'm like, there's nothing wrong with that, 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.000 but at least can y'all just get away from when 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.119 two humans are marrying each other? Just let it be. 0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:38.240 It's fine, it's. 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.320 Fine, it's great. It's actually real nice, right, it's a 0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:45.680 real nice thing that people do, and to be nice, 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:47.600 you know, like, what the hell is your problem? 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.000 It's a wonderful expression of I'd like to stand by 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:54.520 your side forever. Holy shit, how beautiful, you know. But 0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:59.560 people were like feeling somehow like their marriage was lessened 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.080 i same sex marriage or something, even though literally it 0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.320 was just so they could have legal protections had nothing 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:08.199 to do with anything sacred. It had something to do 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.360 with whether or not you could leave somebody something when 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:12.479 you died, or if they could have custody of their 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.480 kids together and stuff like that. So it was kind 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.960 of it was just such a stupid temper tantrum that 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.440 lasted literally like eleven years. 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:26.280 So Annie and Beth, their actual legal domestic partnership, was 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:29.800 in San Francisco. This happened alongside thirty three other couples, 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:35.480 a spectrum of LGBTQ and straight couples as well. Annie 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:39.880 wore a silver disco dress and a feather trimmed duster, 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:44.440 and Beth wore a silver tuxedo. And the San Francisco 0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:48.400 Gay Men's Chorus and the Transgender Choir the Believers performed 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.920 at this ceremony. This is when they thought of this 0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:55.600 idea of wedding as a performance art and they started 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:56.880 the Love Art Laboratory. 0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.280 Yeah, Beth was saying, you know, it is a lot 0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:01.080 like a play. I think we said the same when 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:02.960 we had our wedding, because it was very much you 0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:05.640 need a stage manager our day of planner. You have 0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:09.240 to think about the audience, you have to think about 0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:13.920 there's speeches to give monologues basically to prepare. There's cues. 0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:17.160 I mean, everything about it is very performance based. Oh yeah, 0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:18.720 So they were like, hmm. 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.160 The only thing we missed was repelling down from helicopter 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.400 to the beginning of ours. There was a lot well, 0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:25.120 there was a lot more performance. There was an idea 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:27.120 for our wedding at one point that we were going 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:30.320 to record a video message from ourselves from the future 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.520 and pop in and say something and we were going 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.280 to have to time it out so that us at 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.040 the altar would have to like speak to them. 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:39.600 That's right. That's why we didn't do it. 0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:41.720 Like an old talk show bit man, it would have 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:42.080 been great. 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.240 Yeah, when we knew the vows, it will have more 0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.080 money and it's going to be amazing. 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.719 We'll be in front of four hundred thousand people and 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:52.480 it'll be it'll be the new greatest. 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:55.240 You'll have costume changes, there will be helicopter. 0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:59.920 So it's a wedding performance art idea. And each year 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.440 of the Love Art Laboratory was assigned a color based 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:07.360 on a chakra and a theme. Right, So everyone is 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.280 welcome to take their vows with these two and apparently 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:14.080 the ceremony would also always include an objection to the wedding, 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.360 where a friend would get up and read the top 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:21.240 ten reasons why marriage should be abolished about how it's 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.800 outdated and unequal, you know, just to make sure that 0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:27.080 there is some perspective in the space in the conversation, 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:27.560 you know. 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:29.840 Right, Because they were like, you know, we're having fun 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:33.520 experimenting with the performance of a wedding, the performance of love. 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.280 Who gets to get married in the country and stuff 0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.080 like that. But of course lots of people find marriage 0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:42.960 to be a very outdated institution that does nothing for anybody. 0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:46.320 So they were like, why not, It's just inclusivity, you know, 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:49.560 like your perspective is part of this too, but we're 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:50.320 also going to do it. 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:51.080 But we're going. 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:54.840 Going to so we kind of felt, you know, it's 0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.360 like there's a real silliness to the idea of marriage, 0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:00.760 the institution of marriage and the history we have marriage, 0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:04.760 and also like we want to do that our own way. 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.880 Yeah, it was. It was just there's something nice about 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:10.080 having a party where everybody gets to come together and 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:11.560 be excited that you found each other. 0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:12.000 Yeah. 0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:16.400 That, and then there's something lovely too, at least for us, 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.880 since we liked each other's families. I guess I don't 0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.840 know about others, but there's something too about that feeling of, oh, 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.040 you're part of my family now, so you need to 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.680 meet everybody, or you're all mixed together. I need to 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.960 meet your family. We're all one family, so it's important 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.479 for us to you know, share this space, break bread together, 0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.120 you know what I mean? Say the magic words the 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:40.440 incantation right that creates a valve which which is real. 0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.520 I think there is something magical about your promises. 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.000 Right, Yeah, yeah, I think so. And then the cool 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.800 trip afterwards, and then of course shout out to the sologamists, 0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:51.480 who I think deserve that party too, whether if you're 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.080 going to you know, just marry yourself or whatever. 0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:56.960 Find your true love in your own mirror if you 0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:00.880 need to so. According to CNN, the first love art 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:04.040 laboratory wedding was in two thousand and four. It was 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:08.960 the Red Year, featuring quote a series of public cuddling 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:15.280 performances and hours long kissing sessions. They hosted sidewalk sex clinics, 0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:19.200 and they held their red wedding at a former burlesque club. 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.240 Just a quick note, very different red wedding from the 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:23.960 game of their own's red wedding. Yeah, a lot of 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:28.920 these terms mean a lot of different things. Now, No, 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:34.240 back to CNN quote. In the Orange Year, they married 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:39.200 their community and guests came dressed as orange juicers and carrots. 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.680 All right, But it was Annie and Beth's fourth Green 0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:45.600 wedding when they came out to the world as eco 0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:49.400 sexuals and they started incorporating the environment more into not 0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.200 only their artwork but into their love lives, and we 0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:55.560 will tell you all about that right after this quick break. 0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:03.040 Welcome back, everybody. 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:07.040 So the Green Wedding to the Earth took place in 0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.560 the woods, obviously where else. It had more than one 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:15.000 hundred and fifty collaborators and four hundred guests, and they 0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:19.120 were all given bags of soil to breathe from deeply 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:20.240 during the ceremony. 0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:24.520 Oh sorry, all I could picture somebody breathing deeply and oh. 0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:26.840 Absolutely everywhere I need a breathe dirt. 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:28.960 I guess I'm still on my mister bean tip, but 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:31.240 that's what I see if my head. 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:37.320 During this, a soprano did an operatic strip tease. Some 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:40.040 guy got drenched in green paint and wrapped up in 0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:43.200 a sheet, and a girl with a snake around her 0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:47.120 neck read poetry. There was a floutist. Someone got spanked 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:50.480 with a bouquet of flowers, all very exciting, sort of 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:53.240 earthy kind of stuff. You can watch a compilation of 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.200 all these eco weddings on their website, which is Sprinkle 0:33:56.280 --> 0:34:01.080 Stevens dot UCSC dot edu if you're interested, and if 0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:04.080 you never thought you'd see an edu website where you 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:08.160 get to watch someone get spanked flowers or whatever. Well, 0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:08.640 now you can. 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.680 It's quite quite interesting. You should check it out. 0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:16.200 And what would you call it safe for work? Actually, yeah, yeah. 0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:19.239 It's not pornographic at all. It's really not like that. 0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:21.400 I hope the guy got drenched in green paint. It 0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.040 was like an ecologically sound green paint, you know, you 0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:25.680 know a paint. 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:28.400 Great question, it's everytirement latex paint right now. 0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:31.960 Or who knows well? Who knows, not us. That's not 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:36.720 what we're here for, not us information. Okay. So Annie 0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:40.040 and Beth then dressed all in green with big feathers 0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.600 and flowers, and anyone else at the wedding who cared 0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:46.040 to would repeat the vows to take the Earth as 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:50.120 their lover, and they took the Eco sex pledge, which 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:54.200 is quote, I promise to love, honor, and cherish you 0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:59.719 Earth until death brings us closer together forever, which does 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:03.400 make Earth kind of pretty great partner. Do you know 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.400 human's gonna shove off eventually? 0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:11.360 They they that's true. Eventually the Earth will reclaim you. 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:14.080 I suppose all of us. 0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:18.400 There's a whole Eco sex manifesto, and this is just 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:20.680 the pledge. At the end, the. 0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:22.920 Earth will reclaim all of us except for me, who, 0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:27.399 as you know, my plans, Diana Postport is to be 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:30.200 frozen and shot into space so the aliens can find 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.640 me and either reanimate me or you know, learn about 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:36.640 humans and come here and you know, do their thing. 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:38.239 Whatever that is. I assume it. 0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:39.040 Whatever it is. 0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:41.440 My assumptions of aliens is that they would do good. 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:45.080 Well, that's nice, that's nice. I will have to ask 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:46.080 our friends bleed. 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:49.160 Blop, you know, they do need to make an appearance. 0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.000 But I'm listening. I don't hear them coming now, So 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.359 maybe next episodion. We've been going for a while. They 0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:56.839 clearly know that we don't have time. 0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:59.000 I know we don't have time for that, but right now, 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.680 So what is eco sexuality? 0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:06.560 Oh? Yes, the subject of the episode. 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:12.120 We should finally get to that, because partly for Annie 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.200 and Beth, it's kind of a way to make environmental 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:15.720 activism a little more fun. 0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:16.360 Okay. 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:19.560 They feel like it's usually pretty stuffy and moralistic and 0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:24.680 very like you know, oh, shame, shame, shame, right whoa 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:27.920 and fear you know around it, and there should be 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.000 a healthy amount of fear around that sort of thing. 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:33.600 But they call it like al gore stuff, the alfect 0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:34.400 or something. 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.880 Don't get me started. I honestly like an Inconvenient Truth. 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:40.960 There's the lamest title for a movie that everyone should 0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:43.200 be paying attention to. Like, by the time you finish 0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:46.040 the word inconvenient, I'm asleep. I don't care, and I 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.520 don't need what. I don't know what this movie's about. 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.399 It doesn't sound like it's for me. It doesn't sound 0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:58.680 interesting or important or an truth. Okay, right, take up everybody. 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:00.719 The Earth is dying right e. 0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.600 Xach was kind of a horrible death knell that you're 0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:08.239 sounding with a very boring bell. But anyway, so they 0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:09.799 kind of were like, you know, this way we can 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:13.200 bring a little humor, a little absurdism into the environmental 0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:16.680 move make it a little more accessible and fun. But 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:21.080 mostly the idea is about changing our mindset. They kind 0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:23.880 of feel like, since we see Earth as a mother, 0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:26.960 we maybe take it for granted, like we might do 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:29.719 with our own mother. We expect it to take care 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:33.680 of us and need nothing in return, sort of unconditional 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:36.600 you know, I can take my laundry to her and 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.360 she'll clean it, but I can forget her birthday and 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:43.000 she'll forgive me wow. Kind of kind of relationship. But 0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:46.040 they say a lover is a partner, and they require respect, 0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:49.040 they require give and take, they require love and care, 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:51.920 and if you don't, they will leave you. They won't 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:55.799 just keep loving you forever. So Annie Sprinkle told teen 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:59.200 Vogue that by making Earth your lover, it's quote putting 0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:03.239 the responsibility on you to uphold your side of the relationship. 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.960 It's revolutionary. I kind of like it, to be honest. 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.000 Yeah, no, I really like that. It makes me think 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:13.839 that maybe people should start treating their mothers a little well, 0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:16.920 and maybe not you know, their lovers, but certainly like 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:17.440 a partner. 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.640 But yeah, I think more how you treat them when 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.280 you're When you're grown, you know, you start to understand 0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:25.200 what it takes to be a mom, whether you have 0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:27.400 kids or not. You're kind of like, wow, it turns 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:30.920 out that was really a really crazy thing somebody did 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:31.239 for me. 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.279 I do try to pop into my parents now and 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:38.760 then and say, ah, wow, you know, you know, thanks, 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.719 because you don't recognize what they're doing when you're a kid, 0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:46.200 not right, because of course they are. Somebody's gonna put 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.160 food in front of you, and somebody's gonna you know, 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.920 make sure you get to school on time and become 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:54.920 a decent person hopefully hopefully, and uh you know, and 0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:57.040 then you're grown up and you're like, we who have 0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.879 no children, I'm like, how the hell, oh my god, 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.200 I have the time and energy to devote to making 0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:06.880 sure a person okay, becomes not the worst person right now? 0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:10.400 I don't. I do not have no the focus for that, 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:11.480 let alone anything else. 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:17.160 Or sometimes, like you know, my cousin who's like eleven, 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:20.120 will ask me a question about something, I'm like, how 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:25.120 the hell could I answer this without a making you 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:30.000 very cynical or or I don't know, just well, kid, 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:34.080 I know I tell you something about life. Well, I'm like, 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.759 sometimes you just want the kid to vent, right, You're like, ah, man, 0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:38.640 that sucks whatever. And then other times you're like should 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:40.279 I be giving advice? You'd be like, people, don't think 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:41.920 about it this way, think about it this way, or 0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:44.960 like what about what about that bully maybe is going 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:47.120 on at home? And we want to be compassionate, you 0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:50.040 know whatever. It's just hard to figure out which way 0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:52.120 to go and how to again just how to mold 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:54.719 a person, I guess. And then sometimes you're tired and 0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:56.600 you're like, I don't care about your weird thing at school. 0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:58.640 You won't care about this you're eleven, Like you're gonna 0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:00.440 forget about this by the time you're in call. But 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:03.160 at the time when you're eleven feels huge. I remember 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:06.239 that being eleven and something feeling like it's going to 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.040 last forever and it's not going to ever be any 0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:10.160 different than this, and I'm very scared and I'm very 0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:13.040 afraid of how it's going to turn out. Anyway, Well, 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:14.479 parenting is hard. 0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:18.400 What take if your parents or your mentors or whoever 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:20.919 you owe that to is out there and you're close 0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.480 to them, you know, say hey, say what's up? 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:25.839 Say hey, thanks a lot, yeah, you. 0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:28.200 Know, yeah, minor listening, so I don't have to, or 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:29.600 at least my mom is she'll tell my dad. 0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:31.720 She'll say, by the way Eli's things, Eli. 0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:35.880 He cares, we'll see them on linesday, We're going to 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:37.480 a movie. 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:42.759 By the way Elisa's things anyway. So basically, yes, they're like, 0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:45.160 you take your parents for granted, but it's harder to 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.319 take your lovers for granted. We should see the earth 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:49.319 more as a partner in life, and that we need 0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:52.840 to cherish and let them know how much we appreciate 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:55.160 them and all that stuff, or they're going to leave 0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:59.840 us high and dry. And the eco Sexual Manifesto includes 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:04.640 conservation principles like buying less and then only buying local, 0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:09.320 organic and sustainable products, as well as working towards world 0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:14.960 peace because, as the manifesto says, quote, bombs hurt. Oh 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.080 and that's true, right, yeah, I scar the earth as 0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:18.680 well as. 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:24.120 People right now. Ecosexuality is a sexual identity, but it 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:26.799 doesn't have to be your main sexual identity. And how 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.440 far you take it if you are an ecosexual is 0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:33.760 totally up to you. Vice News spoke to Amanda Morgan, 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:38.600 who's an ecosexual and she's faculty at the UNLV School 0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:42.880 of Community Health Sciences. She told WECE that it's it's 0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:46.239 kind of like the Kinsey scale, right. Some ecosexuals they 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:48.919 keep it real simple. They're just like, I just get 0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:54.440 a sustainable, environmentally sound sex toys, right, This was not 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:57.680 this is not covered in blood, diamonds and the skin 0:41:57.760 --> 0:41:59.000 of an endangered creature. 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:05.360 I want to look made sure, although I don't know 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:08.719 what that does for the bees actually probably not not 0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:12.040 eco sexual approved bees and a gorge. 0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:14.960 But other people also keep it kind of simple. They 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:18.680 might enjoy skinny dipping or naked sunbathings. They're just kind 0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:21.879 of feeling the elements on them. Now. On the other 0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:24.080 end of the scale, of course, is the people we 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.239 all think of when we hear the word ecosexual. 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:26.520 Right. 0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:30.520 She says that there's people who quote roll around in 0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:34.040 the dirt having an orgasm covered in potting soil. They 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:37.560 are people who fuck trees or masturbate under a waterfall. 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.600 Oh right, they fuck trees. 0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:46.120 Yeah, we'll just leave that to your imaginations. These people 0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:49.120 might also have sex with vegetables like our friends. And 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.200 for the last episode in Fuck for Forest and I 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:54.200 was going to ask you what you think is the 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:55.480 sexiest vegetable. 0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:59.160 I don't find the vegetables very sexual. 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.920 I don't mean, what vegetable are you sexually attracted to? 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:04.799 But like, you know, if you were going to cast 0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:07.440 a vegetable in a leading role in a movie, right, 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:11.319 they're just like, that's one sexy vegetable? Can you do 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:11.800 you have. 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:15.920 One's funny is that I think melons and cucumbers, the 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.400 zucchini have been common, right, the ones that you usually 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.279 but thanks to emojis, it's now peaches and eggplants. 0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:26.440 Oh sure, so I don't know. Yeah, boobs emoji? Is 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:28.239 there peaches butts? Right? 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.680 Peaches, melons, melons or boobs? 0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:33.520 Right? We don't. I don't think there's a two melons emoji. 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:35.680 There should be a bundle of melons. 0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:37.719 Wonder what the boob emoji is? 0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.880 Well, regardless of emoji. 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:43.640 Maybe there's a blue footed booby emoji and they just 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:44.760 say show me your boob. 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.399 Oh, show me your boobies. Yeah, I hope. 0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:49.880 So I don't think we got that to the emoji makers. 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.960 Make a blue footed booby emoji, and I promise it 0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:53.799 will get some use. 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.239 I will say there was a at the grocery store 0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:58.280 the other day we got back from our trip, hadn't 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:00.600 cooked a home cooked meal in a while, really wanted 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:04.320 a salad. Yeah, And I went and got a cucumber. 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:08.600 And if I may say, this particular batch of cucumbers 0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:15.879 were not only huge, but cooler. Straight. No, no, they 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:18.799 were just the straightest cucumbers I've ever seen. 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:20.600 So you could really do something with that. 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:23.120 I guess. So there was. I picked one up and 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:26.960 a part of me was like, what what cucumbers make 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.920 me think? Some kinds of things I'm not comfortable with. 0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:38.040 I don't appreciate the thoughts this cucumber may have Kroger. 0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:42.440 Anyway, the answer is pomegranate, which is I guess, a fruit, 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:43.320 not a vegetable. 0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:46.239 Well, there you go. That's why I didn't say it. 0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:48.920 Well, it's a very uh that that goes back in 0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:52.720 art history. The pomegranate was all about fertility and sex. 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:54.120 Sure I lost seeds. 0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:57.360 Yeah, I guess, so gross. Now I don't like the 0:44:57.360 --> 0:45:04.600 pomegran onwards. All right, Well, the manifesto does include the 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:08.520 quote we hold these truths to be self evident that 0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:12.879 we are all part of, not separate from nature. Thus, 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:17.560 all sex is eco sex. And I get that. I've 0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:20.120 I've kind of set myself in the past like, well, 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:22.359 you know, we talk about what we do is unnatural, 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:26.200 but we're we're animals kind of everything we do is 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:27.080 natural in a way. 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:31.040 I guess. So, yeah, maybe this is the human animal. 0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:35.319 Yeah, I mean birds and beavers tear apart plants to 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:38.160 build their homes and things. You know, it's not we do. 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:40.879 There are there are bugs that eat other things from 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:44.160 the inside out, sometimes to live, so it can be 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:48.239 a brutal world out there in the animal kingdom, hard past, 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.320 and we are part of the animal kingdom, and I 0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:53.080 think we forget that a lot. So yeah, it's it's 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:57.160 a again. I like a lot of the underlying principles 0:45:57.160 --> 0:45:59.000 of this. I don't think I could fuck a zucchini 0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:01.160 or anything, but like I'm not about to start like 0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.080 rubbing up on a tree. But I do love trees. 0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.440 I enjoy looking at them, as you know, we've we've 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:08.640 we have stood an admiration. 0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:12.400 Of a tree in Atlanta. We're surrounded by beautiful trees. 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:14.640 I like that all sex is eco sex. You might 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:17.840 you might, uh you've had eco sex, then maybe you 0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:19.799 might be having eco sex right now. 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:28.760 Reason Well, after the green Wedding to the Earth, Annie 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:31.839 and Beth had even larger and more theatrical weddings all 0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:34.640 over the world. They were always collaborating with different artists, 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.960 so these are, like you know, often dozens to hundreds 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:41.399 of people working on these weddings. In the Blue Year, 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.560 they performed a wedding to the Adriatic Sea at the 0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:49.080 Venice Biennial, and then they married the Sky in Oxford, UK. 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:53.320 In their Purple year, they had a nighttime rave marriage 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:56.359 to the Moon in l a. Annie and Best both 0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:58.719 dressed like aliens. I think a lot of people did 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:01.160 sort of like an outer speed alien thing, and it 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:03.600 looked really fun. I would go to that party. They 0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:07.480 also did a daytime ceremony with the Appalachian Mountains. In 0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:10.360 the White Year, they married the Snow in Ottawa, Canada, 0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:13.840 right after a huge snowstorm. Get line listen, and it 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.279 was in this beautiful like cathedral like church, and so 0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:19.440 it was really pretty. In the Golden Year, they married 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:22.480 the Sun in San Francisco, and it's like it looks 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:23.920 like they're at the top of a mountain and its 0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:26.640 sunset and it's all very beautiful. Of course, everyone is 0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:30.839 wearing the colors, you know, of the theme and everything too, 0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:32.320 so everybody's very on theme. 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:37.319 Can I say I would marry the Sun at sunrise 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:39.560 because otherwise as soon as you get married, it's gone, 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:42.400 it's gone. Well, San Francisco, probably sunset because they're in 0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:44.480 the west, so you wouldn't really have a good sunrise, 0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:46.080 but you'd have a great sunset. 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:48.640 That's probably so. But yeah, well, and then you can 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:49.839 go right into the wedding night. 0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:53.360 Sure, but where's the groom he disappears. 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:54.680 I mean he passed out because he got too drunk. 0:47:55.560 --> 0:48:00.359 It's not the first time. Even after there's seven year 0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:05.480 Love Art Lab project ended, the weddings continued. They had 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:10.280 a punk, rock, all black wedding to coal in Spain, 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.560 in Spain's Coal Country, and they also had a dirty 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.880 wedding to the Soil in Austria, where like literally everybody 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:20.560 is like rolling around in dirt, they're wearing brown, they 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.200 look like they're rocks through something. It's very crazy, all right. 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:26.399 Well, in twenty thirteen, Beth Stevens went back to her 0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:30.520 hometown in coal country to make a documentary about mountaintop 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:35.120 removal in West Virginia. A mountaintop removal or MTR is 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.839 also called mountaintop mining or MTM. You might have heard 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:41.560 it either ways. And it came about because tunneling underground 0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:45.000 to get to coal seams is dangerous and expensive, and 0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:47.920 people figured, all right, well, instead of going through the mountain, 0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:51.560 why don't we just use explosives to take off whatever 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:54.160 is on top of the seam and expose the coal. 0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:57.720 Right now, it is a lot safer, but it also destroys, 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.880 you know, a huge amount of habitat for for animals, 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:05.960 for plants, as well as obviously ruining the mountainous skyline. 0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:08.160 Nobody wants a bunch of flat mountains. 0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:10.320 They're not mountains anymore, they're. 0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:14.960 Buttes, right. Plus, whatever they remove from the top of 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:19.480 the mountain often exposing four hundred vertical feet, so we're 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:22.279 talking about like a lot of rock and toxic byproduct 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:26.839 ends up getting dumped into neighboring valleys or hollers if 0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:32.080 you know anything about most hollers are very important cultural 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:33.000 systems right. 0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:36.000 Right, well, and people live in them. You know, it's 0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:38.320 not great to dump toxic waste anywhere. 0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:40.520 No, and there these are people who've had these homes 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:45.840 for you know, hundreds of years. Basically, the documentary itself 0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:49.600 is called Goodbye Gaully Mountain, where Beth shows the struggle 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:52.680 of a community who who love their natural mountain environment, 0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:56.680 but also they rely on mountaintop removal for the local economy. 0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:59.600 It's kind of trapped between two worlds there. Now. After 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:03.280 a screen of the film, Beth and Annie married Golly Mountain, 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:07.920 Beth explained to one interviewer quote eco sexuality inserts an 0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:11.759 erotic humor that plays against the horrific subject matter so far, 0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:14.560 the feedback that I've received at film previews makes me 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:18.080 realize that these are effective strategies for creating space to 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:21.880 briefly cut the feeling of despair the MTR evokes. 0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:26.319 This is interesting to me because actually, your mom just 0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:29.360 shared on Facebook this morning an article from I Believe 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:35.560 Forbes about sol nostalgia, which is the feeling of depression 0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:39.880 and anxiety that comes from knowing that your environment is 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:44.080 in danger basically, so it was like the kind of 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:47.359 deep grief that you can feel when a natural landscape 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:50.480 that you're used to is changing dramatically around you. That 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:53.839 kind of thing, which is interesting that there's a word 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:56.399 for it. But also like the fact that they were 0:50:56.440 --> 0:51:01.200 tapping into early on that climate change and global warming, 0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:06.319 you know, environmental disaster, impending doom kind of stuff is 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:08.800 really depressing. It's very hard to look at it because 0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:11.799 it makes you feel so hopeless and impotent. If the 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:14.319 world is ending, what are you supposed to do? You 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:16.239 know what I mean? So I think they're kind of 0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:19.000 tapped into that a little early on, and we're now 0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:22.160 just now kind of talking about it a little more. 0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:26.800 Reminds me of on Reddit recently, I read someone talking 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:30.040 about the concept of sonder. It's sort of the opposite 0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:32.960 of sollipsism, like where you're very internally focused in your 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.080 world is the center of all things, and sounder is 0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:39.399 sort of like, oh, there's storms happening on Venus right now. 0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:42.360 You know, there's a guy in Spain eating a sandwich 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:45.640 and live in his life. It's this recognition that every 0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:48.800 random person and even places where there are no people, 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:53.279 are experiencing time passing. Stuff is happening outside of your 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:58.799 perception of it. Yeah, and I find it both kind 0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:01.920 of overwhelming to think about that because it's huge and 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:03.799 it makes you feel very It can make you feel 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.960 very insignificant. But someone also pointed out it can have 0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:10.880 the opposite effect, where you feel there's so much existing 0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:15.280 out there in the universe, your existence is very unique 0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:19.600 and special, so it's kind of amazing feel the same time. 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:22.359 You know who had a butt ton of sonder is 0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:25.800 Kurt Vonnegut. Oh yeah, if you read any of his books, 0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:28.320 he loves to do that where he'll just have someone 0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:30.560 bump into somebody and then he'll tell you who they 0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:32.960 bumped into his whole life yea, Like he'll just kind 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:34.920 of be like and then eventually they you know, whatever 0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:37.640 happens to them, and they're not important to the story, 0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:40.080 but he just tells you everything about them. And I 0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:42.480 remember reading one of his books and being like, man, 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:44.399 how many people have I bumped into? And I haven't 0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:46.759 thought about what they did after that? Like they cease 0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:49.200 to exist for me basically, and I cease to exist 0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:51.920 for them. But we both went on to continue to 0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:54.480 do shit, right, Yeah, so that's really crazy. 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.760 Yeah, A butt ton of Sounder by Kurt Vonnegut. 0:52:57.880 --> 0:52:59.359 He would write, he would write it, and he would 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.800 do this little ass drawing right on top. Well, both 0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:06.920 in Annie's weddings. These eco sex weddings really struck a 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:09.040 chord with the art world and with a lot of 0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:12.480 people because even after they stopped organizing the weddings themselves, 0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:16.040 they kept getting married. Right before the pandemic, a group 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:20.800 called Future Farmers organized a wedding for them to marry 0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:24.719 the fog at Uc Santa Cruz and then I bet 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:26.359 they used a lot of tool you know what I mean, 0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:29.520 like something, oh, sure like that. And then in twenty 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:32.880 twenty one and artists married them to the brine shrimp 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:37.040 of Great Salt Lake in Utah. All told, they've apparently 0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:41.160 performed something like nineteen weddings and nine countries. They've also 0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:43.960 toured two person shows all over the world, and then 0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:46.279 in twenty seventeen they were part of a German art 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:51.600 festival called Documenta fourteen. This is a really interesting arts festival. 0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:53.760 I would love to attend one day in my life 0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:58.200 because it happens every five years and it lasts nine months. 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:01.640 So the selection process, I think you get like like 0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:04.960 three years to work on your projects and then you 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.560 have a whole nine months to work with with your project. 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:11.560 So people do various different performances and installations. They can 0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:15.120 do some really large scale stuff at Documenta and Beth 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:16.719 and Annie were no different. They did a bunch of 0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:19.799 shit document To fourteen. They screened their newest film, which 0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:24.239 is called Water Makes Us Wet. Love it All their 0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:27.440 titles are amazing. They set up a bed in a 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:30.279 museum lobby where they would cuddle people between them for 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:34.520 seven minutes, which Annie called quote an anti Trump Wall 0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:38.560 protest of sorts. And they also did an eco sex 0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:41.560 walking tour. The idea of that is just being like 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:44.120 you would walk around and you'd have your attention called 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:48.200 to stamens, you know, and like, oh, yes, erotic flower, 0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:50.320 you know, like just look at the look at that flower, 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:52.600 begging for your attention kind of kind of thing, just 0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:53.799 to call your attention to. 0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:55.400 The next flowers thirsty. 0:54:55.680 --> 0:55:00.680 Oh that flower is for you, baby. But Annie and 0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:04.759 Beth are far from the only ecosexuals out there. We've 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:07.839 talked about a couple already, but there's several more and 0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:12.120 we will fill you in, fill you up all right 0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:21.319 right after this, welcome back, all right. 0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:26.800 According to The Guardian, right before document, Annie and Beth 0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:31.200 hosted their fourth and largest ecosexual symposium, and this included 0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:35.520 three hundred ecosexuals from all over the world and performances 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:40.640 that included quote eco sexy Shakespeare from Luke Dixon, the 0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:44.840 founder of Theaterre Nomad in the UK, a demonstration of 0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.600 grass Lingus by Annie Sprinkle on the law of you 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:54.000 see Santa Cruz, and a very eco sexy poem which 0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:57.560 we'll of course read for you right now. So let's 0:55:57.640 --> 0:55:59.879 go down to poetry Corner and. 0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:05.320 Read maybe one of the most poetry corner poems, Dirt, 0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:10.680 which was originally written and performed by the musician Peaches. 0:56:11.920 --> 0:56:12.280 Dirt. 0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:18.000 Dirt Dirty, dirt, dirt. Stay away from the dirt. You'll 0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:22.880 get dirty. It's a mess. Yes, Yes, we want to 0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:26.560 get down and dirty. Hit the dirt, dig in the dirt. 0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:32.319 Dirt is a wonder. Dirt is real, Dirt is precious. 0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:37.880 Dirt gives us breath. Dirt will sustain us. Dirt makes life. 0:56:38.160 --> 0:56:41.480 Dirt is life. We need to be dirty. 0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:48.160 We neeed dirt, break it down, earthworm, break it down, 0:56:48.440 --> 0:56:55.480 break it down, fungy, love me, humble, humous, all hail bacteria, 0:56:56.040 --> 0:57:02.280 the criteria, release the nutrients, release, fertilize us. 0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:06.480 Treat us like dirt. Give us dirt. 0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:12.640 We want to be soiled, richly soiled in sand, silt 0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:13.360 and clay. 0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:15.720 We will lay, We will lay. 0:57:16.280 --> 0:57:19.920 Let's get dirt on our hands. Cover us in dirt, 0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:21.960 make us dirty. 0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:26.240 Dirt is the shit. Dirt is the shit. 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:33.760 All right, Peaches, that sounds like a Peacha song. I 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:35.600 would listen to her do it, because you know she 0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:38.560 would do so cootiou oh yeah, oh yeah. 0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:40.840 It's probably got insane backing tracks. 0:57:41.080 --> 0:57:45.080 Oh my god, insane stuff. Also eco sexy Shakespeare. I 0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:48.280 wish I could find some text for that, but right 0:57:48.520 --> 0:57:52.800 it's nowhere. So Luke Dixon. If you're listening, I want 0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:57.080 to transcri. Is it like two bees or not? Two bees? 0:57:57.520 --> 0:57:58.440 Oh? Two bees? 0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:01.880 Or is it like? Shall I compare thee to a 0:58:01.960 --> 0:58:07.160 summer's day? Thou art more sexy? 0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:13.480 I don't know, uh I just every Shakespeare quote I 0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:17.720 ever learned just vanished from my mind. And I I've 0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:24.280 done three Shakespeare plays in my life. You sure have, yep, nothing. 0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:28.160 The quality of booty is not straight. 0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:28.800 There we go. 0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:38.320 It droppeth gentle rain hot like it is hot. It 0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:43.520 droppeth like it is hot. In Interview magazine, Annie Sprinkle 0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:47.600 also mentions a Chinese artist who made like ecosexual art. 0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:51.680 Their name is Xiangbo and they have an ongoing film 0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:56.720 series since twenty sixteen called Terra Doophilia, where he showcases 0:58:56.840 --> 0:58:59.680 a sexual act with a terra do fight or a 0:59:00.320 --> 0:59:03.520 dispersing plants in a forest in Taiwan. 0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:04.000 Okay. 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:08.680 ARTnews dot Com describes the videos as showing quote close 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:13.200 up shots of men, some of them BDSM performers stroking 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:17.840 their penises with ferns, rubbing their nipples against spikey stern, 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:24.160 rubbing their nipples against spiky stems, or ejaculating onto tendrils 0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:27.360 that then drip with semen. All right, I know. I 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:29.240 was like, this is not a movie I would spend 0:59:29.280 --> 0:59:31.000 a last time watching, probably myself. 0:59:31.240 --> 0:59:35.360 Well, I'm thinking about the one brief time I tried 0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:38.520 gardening and I pulled some some some of these little 0:59:38.520 --> 0:59:41.600 clover looking plants out of the ground and came back 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:44.680 and my hand just turned red. They were all it 0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:46.680 was like I was having some kind of reaction. And 0:59:46.720 --> 0:59:49.120 then I was told by our friend Sammy, who's you know, 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:54.320 professional landscaper gardener. She said, oh, no, one's allergic to those. Oh. 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:57.959 I was like, well, I something happened here, so it's 0:59:58.000 --> 1:00:00.200 just me. So maybe I'm hyper reactive to every thing. 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:02.320 And I don't want to rub my deck on any ferns. 1:00:03.200 --> 1:00:04.720 I don't want you to rub your deck on any 1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:05.640 ferns either, Babe. 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:07.479 Done well. 1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:10.600 Zang isn't just making these for your shits and giggles 1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:13.920 or anything. He feels it. By showing queer men having 1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:18.400 relations with ferns, which are kind of common undervalued plants, 1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:25.520 he is quote emphasizing structures of marginalization across species and 1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:30.040 proposes possibilities of intimacy between them. So kind of you know, 1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:33.840 ferns are lesser than our orchids, but who says and why? 1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:37.080 And you know, and so like who is lesser person? 1:00:37.120 --> 1:00:39.280 And who says and why? Okay, And this is kind 1:00:39.280 --> 1:00:41.840 of reminiscent of Annie's work. Annie Sprinkle's work in the 1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:45.040 post porn movements, where she's she was very concerned with 1:00:45.160 --> 1:00:49.960 stereotypes in pornography, representation and porn. That's why she was 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:52.760 trying to make transgender porn and stuff like that. She 1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:55.480 was kind of and you know, which bodies are allowed 1:00:55.520 --> 1:00:59.240 to be portrayed as sexual bodies? Okay, So I'm sure 1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:02.560 she also was thinking about plus size women and plus 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:06.240 size men and you know, just what we consider to 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:08.800 be sexy and sexual and stuff like that. 1:01:09.480 --> 1:01:13.360 Xeng has a less graphic, sixteen minute dance video that 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:17.000 came out in twenty twenty one called Le Sacre de prentopes, 1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:21.520 which means The Right of Spring, where quote naked men 1:01:21.720 --> 1:01:26.240 gyrate passionately against trees in a verdant forest. They writhe 1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:30.080 and moan in ecstasy. At midpoint, the camera turns upside 1:01:30.080 --> 1:01:32.560 down as the men dropped to the ground. What was 1:01:32.600 --> 1:01:36.400 a frenzy dissipates into serenity. As they lie still, their 1:01:36.400 --> 1:01:40.480 bodies melting into the mossy floor. What the artist calls 1:01:40.800 --> 1:01:45.200 an eco sexual courtship. So a little less, you know, 1:01:45.240 --> 1:01:48.720 ejaculating on plants and more just kind of a becoming 1:01:48.760 --> 1:01:50.760 one with the earth and a dance yet. 1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:52.760 More of a dance film than a sex film, I. 1:01:52.680 --> 1:01:57.040 Guess into it. Much like Annie and Beth. Jang sees 1:01:57.160 --> 1:02:01.160 sexuality as this sort of mundane fact of life and nature, right, 1:02:01.320 --> 1:02:05.040 like it just happens, He told Art News. Quote, sex 1:02:05.200 --> 1:02:08.280 is everywhere in nature and interspecies. Sex is not a 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:11.720 human invention. He pointed to things like orchids that evolved 1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:15.360 to look like bees visually, and that of course tempts 1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:18.560 bees and to coming in and trying to hump a flower, 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:22.320 and that helps ponate them. Right. So a Sierra Club 1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:24.760 even suggests that our old friend Walt Whitman might have 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:27.800 been an eco sexual. They quoted this passage in song 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:31.680 of Myself quote, it is for my mouth forever. I 1:02:31.720 --> 1:02:33.640 am in love with it. I will go to the 1:02:33.680 --> 1:02:37.600 bank by the wood and become undisguised and naked. I 1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:39.840 am mad for it to be in contact with me. 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:44.120 Actually, yeah, that does kind of make him sound like 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:44.959 an ecosexual. 1:02:45.120 --> 1:02:48.480 I certainly would lean more towards that he was a 1:02:48.680 --> 1:02:53.560 poet who was good with metaphor, rather than like him 1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:56.640 literally saying I want to fuck this river, yeah, you 1:02:56.640 --> 1:02:57.360 know or whatever. 1:02:58.000 --> 1:03:02.280 Well, several of our subjects have loved some naked sunbathing. 1:03:03.040 --> 1:03:06.280 Harry Crosby, for example, who was married to Caress Crosby, 1:03:06.360 --> 1:03:09.960 who invented the bra than the modern bra, he loved 1:03:10.000 --> 1:03:13.480 to sunbathe naked, and Ben Franklin liked to liked an 1:03:13.480 --> 1:03:16.440 air bath. Sure, so I don't know how much that 1:03:16.600 --> 1:03:21.600 is ecosexuality and how much that was like Ben Franklin 1:03:21.760 --> 1:03:24.720 literally thought there was some medicinal property to it, or 1:03:24.760 --> 1:03:29.600 like people who sun their assholes whatever that's called. People 1:03:29.640 --> 1:03:32.320 do still doing that, I think, And whereas. 1:03:32.000 --> 1:03:34.600 Me like, I want to dress like a Jawa every 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:40.800 time I go outside, cloak, no sand or sun or 1:03:41.400 --> 1:03:43.400 little gold eyes. 1:03:43.360 --> 1:03:45.560 Golden goggles. I'll help you see in. 1:03:45.520 --> 1:03:47.200 A tub storm, I'm good. 1:03:48.880 --> 1:03:52.840 More recently, Annie was a consultant on the HBO series 1:03:52.880 --> 1:03:55.280 The Deuce. That show. That's the show that shows the 1:03:55.360 --> 1:03:57.200 rise of the sex industry in New York in the 1:03:57.240 --> 1:03:59.960 seventies and eighties, what some people call The Golden Age 1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:03.400 d of Porn. I didn't either. It stars Jane James 1:04:03.480 --> 1:04:06.760 Franco and Maggie Jillen Hall. I know, I was like, 1:04:08.240 --> 1:04:10.840 but Maggie Jillen Hall is great. Annie apparently, I guess, 1:04:10.960 --> 1:04:13.480 was giving her most of the consultation. There was a 1:04:13.720 --> 1:04:16.760 lot about the mindset around sex, sex work and stuff 1:04:16.800 --> 1:04:20.200 like that, and so that's that's definitely very interesting, especially 1:04:20.200 --> 1:04:21.920 if you're someone like me, who is who is a 1:04:21.920 --> 1:04:23.520 little bit of a prude. When it comes to my 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:25.960 own body, I don't care about what anybody else is doing, 1:04:26.000 --> 1:04:29.040 but when it comes to my own body, it's very particular. 1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:32.080 People are allowed to touch and stuff of steam naked 1:04:32.160 --> 1:04:35.360 or something like that. So I think Maggie maybe has 1:04:35.920 --> 1:04:37.840 you know, she was sort of like saying it was 1:04:37.880 --> 1:04:40.280 hard to get into that mindset, and Annie gave her 1:04:40.360 --> 1:04:43.000 for some real help with that or whatever. Beth and 1:04:43.040 --> 1:04:46.000 Annie updated the Eco Sex Manifesto to respond to COVID 1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:49.760 policies like social distancing and masking, and there's even like 1:04:49.840 --> 1:04:52.840 pictures of some eco sexuals wearing masks that have like 1:04:52.920 --> 1:04:56.160 grass sprouting from it, and so you know, they kept 1:04:56.160 --> 1:04:59.080 the they kept the vibes going all right during the pandemic. 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:03.000 And Annie is also in recovery from both lung cancer 1:05:03.200 --> 1:05:07.560 and breast cancer, which said at least in twenty nineteen 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:10.840 or twenty twenty when she gave this interview magazine interview. 1:05:10.960 --> 1:05:13.800 She says, she's doing fine now, but of course that 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:15.959 you know, took them away from art for a minute. 1:05:15.960 --> 1:05:19.280 They had more important things to do. And she also 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:21.920 thinks that maybe the breast cancer may have been a 1:05:21.920 --> 1:05:24.920 result of some toxic permanent ink that she used in 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:28.680 the nineties. She used to make these tit prints, she 1:05:28.800 --> 1:05:31.200 called them, and they had like cubists or heart shaped 1:05:31.280 --> 1:05:34.560 or like cone shaped boobs, you know, different with like 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:37.800 kind of it almost looks like tin types or something 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:42.160 like that. But anyway, they're fun, and she says, you 1:05:42.200 --> 1:05:45.400 know a lot of artists, you know, they get killed 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:47.840 by their materials because people use toxic pains, so they 1:05:47.840 --> 1:05:50.160 have films or whatever. And she's like, that's just that's 1:05:50.200 --> 1:05:51.080 part of the life. 1:05:51.240 --> 1:05:51.439 Yeah. 1:05:52.200 --> 1:05:54.720 But she's also trying to get her body of work archived, 1:05:54.720 --> 1:05:57.600 including all her tit prints and all her writing and 1:05:57.640 --> 1:06:00.760 all these amazing photos that she's taken over the years, 1:06:01.360 --> 1:06:04.520 tons of her educational material and stuff, like that, so 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:08.760 she's working to get that archived, hopefully at Harvard. She 1:06:08.920 --> 1:06:12.200 mentioned in the Interview magazine that their Schlessinger Library has 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:14.520 a sex worker archive. Oh nice, which I think is 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:17.840 really cool. So kind of maintaining some of that history, right, 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:20.560 people who actually lived that history, instead of from the 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:22.640 perspective of people who are judging it from one way 1:06:22.680 --> 1:06:24.960 or another. Right, So I think that's really cool. Hopefully 1:06:25.000 --> 1:06:27.120 she does get her It seems like she would deserve 1:06:27.320 --> 1:06:29.000 a place in the Schlessinger Library. 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:33.479 That's awesome, man, good for good for them and still 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:35.800 at it, which I love too. They must be what 1:06:35.920 --> 1:06:41.480 nineteen fifty four, so almost seventy now, yeah, actually she's 1:06:41.840 --> 1:06:45.640 sixty nine. 1:06:44.920 --> 1:06:48.360 Do you know? Nice? 1:06:49.920 --> 1:06:52.840 That's cool? Wow, yeah, I think I mean, what do 1:06:52.920 --> 1:06:56.240 I think? Well? On one hand, I like the sentiment 1:06:56.280 --> 1:06:58.360 that we're all eco sexuals, right because we're all having 1:06:58.360 --> 1:07:04.240 sex with natural living things of the earth. That's fine. 1:07:05.400 --> 1:07:07.160 I don't need to roll around in the dirt as 1:07:07.280 --> 1:07:11.760 was previous previously explained. I'm good with excluding the elements 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:13.520 for my life as much as possible. I'm a very 1:07:13.800 --> 1:07:17.640 comfortable indoors. Well, I love the outdoors. I love camping, 1:07:18.040 --> 1:07:21.640 of going out things like that. But but I don't 1:07:21.760 --> 1:07:27.360 like bugs. So that's the main things. I just don't 1:07:27.440 --> 1:07:31.520 like bugs. Keep them off of me. So I do 1:07:31.640 --> 1:07:35.680 like a lot of clothes because they are to be 1:07:35.720 --> 1:07:36.520 in my defense. 1:07:37.360 --> 1:07:40.920 Bugs love me, they do. 1:07:41.120 --> 1:07:44.440 And I've had a long history of like other beings 1:07:44.520 --> 1:07:46.720 being really attracted to me that I'm that I have 1:07:46.760 --> 1:07:48.560 to kind of fend off. It's been sort of the 1:07:48.600 --> 1:07:49.400 story of my life. 1:07:50.680 --> 1:07:52.560 Now, this is actually a good point that you've just 1:07:52.600 --> 1:07:54.840 brought up. Oh yeah, because of all nineteen at the 1:07:54.840 --> 1:07:58.640 weddings that we looked into, not a single one of 1:07:58.680 --> 1:07:59.920 them was to bugs. 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:01.800 Hell no, why would you marry bugs? Bug? 1:08:02.360 --> 1:08:04.560 They're part of the natural world. Well, you know, if 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:07.360 there weren't bugs, lots of things wouldn't eat, lots of 1:08:07.440 --> 1:08:10.720 things would not pro create, lots of things would not pollenate. 1:08:10.800 --> 1:08:12.480 That's great, But you know what I want to do. 1:08:12.560 --> 1:08:15.560 I want to hold a mass ceremony of divorce against 1:08:15.560 --> 1:08:21.320 the bugs. I want to kick them out. No longer welcome. Here. 1:08:22.040 --> 1:08:24.559 Take here's a box full of your stuff, Get out 1:08:24.560 --> 1:08:26.679 and don't come back. Restraighting or to file. 1:08:26.840 --> 1:08:31.639 Full of your stuff. Here's the silk from your cobweb. 1:08:31.080 --> 1:08:32.960 You bastard. I love spiders. 1:08:33.040 --> 1:08:35.839 I know spiders are great and not bugs, so technically 1:08:35.880 --> 1:08:37.200 don't eat bugs. 1:08:36.880 --> 1:08:38.840 And that's why spiders are dope. And they're all welcome 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:40.160 to my house as long as they stay up in 1:08:40.160 --> 1:08:41.839 the corners and inside the walls. 1:08:41.680 --> 1:08:45.280 Supposed to go. But yeah, I just think that's interesting. 1:08:45.439 --> 1:08:48.080 I wonder why, why not if we could get them 1:08:48.120 --> 1:08:50.160 to marry mosquitoes or something that is. 1:08:50.200 --> 1:08:53.519 Less uh, because they said they're trying. 1:08:53.320 --> 1:08:54.920 Pretty and less nice about nature. 1:08:55.040 --> 1:08:57.240 Because they said they're also trying to have fun, true 1:08:58.760 --> 1:09:01.439 and silly, and that's no what he wants. Who would 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:04.040 come to that wedding, the mosquito marriage, Like what are 1:09:04.040 --> 1:09:06.240 you going to walk out naked into a swamp, like, 1:09:06.280 --> 1:09:09.559 cover yourself in honey and say, have at it, mosquitos, 1:09:12.000 --> 1:09:14.160 let's become one. No, I'm going to end up in 1:09:14.160 --> 1:09:14.679 the hospital. 1:09:14.760 --> 1:09:18.000 Oh well, they can marry bees. Bees are very important. 1:09:18.320 --> 1:09:21.280 Bees are very important, and I think that bees really 1:09:21.320 --> 1:09:24.040 like their space and I don't want to I do 1:09:24.080 --> 1:09:26.360 not want to impose on a bee's space. Okay for 1:09:26.479 --> 1:09:30.479 any stinging insect. 1:09:29.000 --> 1:09:31.759 To say about an animal that lives like really packed 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:34.040 in with other bees that's why they're. 1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:36.679 Like, we don't need any giant human bodies coming near us. 1:09:36.720 --> 1:09:38.320 True, you take it up a lot of space. 1:09:38.479 --> 1:09:38.719 Huh. 1:09:40.240 --> 1:09:42.960 Would I would go to any of these weddings one 1:09:43.000 --> 1:09:45.720 hundred per I think they're probably really easy to laugh at. 1:09:45.840 --> 1:09:47.680 I'm sure a lot of people are laughing because it's 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:51.720 very hippie and very art this and that, and you 1:09:51.760 --> 1:09:54.639 know it's it's it is easy to laugh at, for sure. 1:09:55.200 --> 1:09:57.280 Would I like, I really like the vibe of it 1:09:57.360 --> 1:10:01.479 and at ways, and the I like the foundation of it, 1:10:01.560 --> 1:10:03.400 which is we need to find a different way to 1:10:03.439 --> 1:10:06.559 think about the world that makes us respect it more. Yeah, 1:10:06.640 --> 1:10:09.080 and cherish it more. Obviously calling it our mother is 1:10:09.120 --> 1:10:11.840 not working, right, We are not taking care of it, yep. 1:10:11.960 --> 1:10:14.120 So we need to think about different language around it 1:10:14.240 --> 1:10:18.960 or different mindset around it. That's that's huge, right, changing mindset, 1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:20.080 that's everything. 1:10:20.400 --> 1:10:22.920 And we talk in the last episode about Sexy Gaya 1:10:23.000 --> 1:10:24.120 from Captain Planet. 1:10:24.360 --> 1:10:25.080 Oh, we sure did. 1:10:25.200 --> 1:10:27.000 Yeah, I'd take her as a lover. 1:10:27.200 --> 1:10:27.680 There you go. 1:10:29.320 --> 1:10:33.160 I was gonna say. We recently talked about the perception 1:10:33.280 --> 1:10:37.320 of artistic things like this as being pretentious and serious 1:10:37.360 --> 1:10:39.320 and and I really like something like this that I 1:10:39.560 --> 1:10:42.560 think they want you to laugh. Yeah, right, Like obviously 1:10:42.640 --> 1:10:47.160 it's silly that I'm marrying the sun, you know. Yeah, 1:10:47.479 --> 1:10:50.040 there's like there's a realness to it, like there's something 1:10:50.120 --> 1:10:52.479 that we want you to take from this. But also 1:10:52.560 --> 1:10:55.000 like if you're taking it so serious layers like this 1:10:55.160 --> 1:10:57.000 is art and but you know, then you're doing it wrong. 1:10:57.040 --> 1:10:58.439 You're kind of the whole point is kind of be 1:10:58.520 --> 1:11:00.960 lighthearted about it. Yeah, have a good time. So I 1:11:00.960 --> 1:11:03.200 imagine there's a lot of silliness and laughing and like, 1:11:03.560 --> 1:11:07.800 look we're doing isn't it Isn't it ridiculous Because ridiculousness 1:11:08.640 --> 1:11:09.679 is also joyful? 1:11:09.960 --> 1:11:12.000 Yes, today, I really think that's so true. 1:11:12.160 --> 1:11:13.080 Yeah, and I do. 1:11:13.160 --> 1:11:16.240 I like that too, joy around loving the environment instead 1:11:16.280 --> 1:11:21.040 of fear and moralistic shaming of others. You know, it's 1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:23.080 more about like we love it out, go out and 1:11:23.160 --> 1:11:27.200 touch grass. It's the touch grass movement basically of like 1:11:27.640 --> 1:11:30.240 stop being inside on your screens, go out, look at 1:11:30.240 --> 1:11:34.640 this miraculous world full of unpredictable surprises and beauty and 1:11:34.800 --> 1:11:36.519 everything I do. I do. I like that. 1:11:36.680 --> 1:11:37.360 I do like that. 1:11:37.479 --> 1:11:40.800 Yeah, me too, fucking a vegetable too far from me, 1:11:41.320 --> 1:11:45.559 too far? But you know what, I guess I don't 1:11:45.600 --> 1:11:46.640 care as long as you're not doing it in the 1:11:46.680 --> 1:11:47.680 grocery store in front of me. 1:11:49.640 --> 1:11:51.680 And if you are, just make sure you buy that 1:11:51.720 --> 1:11:56.160 one and don't put it back. I do. I'm really conscious. 1:11:56.240 --> 1:11:58.879 This is another layer that is upsetting. 1:12:00.240 --> 1:12:02.240 No one's fucking them in the grocery store. They are 1:12:03.320 --> 1:12:07.680 purchasing them first. I've been very conscious lately about uh, 1:12:08.560 --> 1:12:11.000 trying not to touch any produce that I'm not that 1:12:11.040 --> 1:12:12.680 I don't put my cart. You know, I really like 1:12:12.720 --> 1:12:16.000 sometimes you really have to pick up an avocado and 1:12:16.080 --> 1:12:18.400 like give it a little grope and stuff, but it's 1:12:18.760 --> 1:12:20.920 you know, like bell peppers. I really try to look 1:12:20.960 --> 1:12:23.000 at it. Which ones looked rubbery. I don't want to 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:26.200 pick everyone up because you know, hey, everybody else is 1:12:26.200 --> 1:12:28.599 doing that, and b let me just reduce the number 1:12:28.680 --> 1:12:30.640 of hands that went out of this. 1:12:30.800 --> 1:12:34.200 I mean, but you wash the vegetables before you cook them, right, No? 1:12:34.200 --> 1:12:37.240 No, I put them in the cart bare naked. I 1:12:37.360 --> 1:12:40.080 roll them down the conveyor belt at the grocery store 1:12:41.080 --> 1:12:44.080 and then I and I just well, I'll rinse them 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:46.160 off in a puddle in the parking lot. 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:50.080 For a home and a stranger sneeze on them. 1:12:50.160 --> 1:12:51.680 I just assume that they have. I don't know. I 1:12:51.720 --> 1:12:54.439 can make more of an effort for that if you want, Okay, yeah, 1:12:54.439 --> 1:13:01.000 no problem, just to make sure, yeah, I didn't assume. Yeah. 1:13:01.160 --> 1:13:03.120 So that's the state of artists. 1:13:03.439 --> 1:13:05.160 I will never eat another vegetable in. 1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:11.120 Because I cook and I'm vegetarian. 1:13:11.240 --> 1:13:14.120 We don't need a lot of me. I am screwed. 1:13:14.840 --> 1:13:18.040 Thank you for tuning into my final episode before I 1:13:18.400 --> 1:13:25.000 become closer to the Earth forever. I would love to 1:13:25.000 --> 1:13:27.320 hear what y'all think about eco sex. Definitely, this is 1:13:27.360 --> 1:13:29.639 a different one for us. It's a you know, usually 1:13:30.320 --> 1:13:34.800 our our weird sexualities. They're they're pretty honestly into the 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:37.400 sex part, really like having sex with the cars or 1:13:38.000 --> 1:13:40.479 marrying the buildings and stuff like. They're very much feeling 1:13:40.479 --> 1:13:43.479 a romantic connection. And I'm not saying they're not, but 1:13:43.560 --> 1:13:46.680 I feel like it's more of a more of a 1:13:46.680 --> 1:13:47.439 political artist. 1:13:47.520 --> 1:13:48.559 Ye. Message driven. 1:13:48.880 --> 1:13:52.120 More message driven is a good way to put it. So, 1:13:52.520 --> 1:13:54.800 but I don't know. I think they're very interesting women, 1:13:54.880 --> 1:13:55.439 that's for sure. 1:13:55.560 --> 1:13:57.800 I certainly would not be bored having a conversation with them. 1:13:57.960 --> 1:13:59.760 I don't think you would do it well. We would 1:13:59.800 --> 1:14:03.679 love to hear what you think about ecosexuality, about Annie Sprinkle? 1:14:04.280 --> 1:14:09.519 Have you seen deep inside Annie Sprinkle? You see you know? 1:14:09.560 --> 1:14:11.639 Do you know anything about Beth Stevens, I mean, any 1:14:11.640 --> 1:14:13.680 any of this that struck a chord with you. We 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:17.280 would love to hear from you. As always, our email 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:19.599 address is ridict Romance at gmail dot com. 1:14:19.600 --> 1:14:21.760 That's right. You can find us on Instagram. 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