Speaker 1: It's weird sitting down to the mic again. Yeah, let
Speaker 1: me just up right at the top. I will throw
Speaker 1: for the listeners. I almost say, the viewers. The viewers,
Speaker 1: that's how that's how disconnected I am from the audio
Speaker 1: world right now.
Speaker 2: In their mind's eye, I'm sure they're picturing it.
Speaker 1: Oh, they're picturing much better than what than reality.
Speaker 2: I don't like to share pictures of ourselves. We prefer
Speaker 2: whatever you're thinking.
Speaker 1: But I will say we continue to be scattered and
Speaker 1: sporadic for various reasons. But I am still very excited.
Speaker 1: We will have news for you guys soon about you know,
Speaker 1: our schedules lately and how everything's been going one way
Speaker 1: or another. I think the you know, the fires of industry.
Speaker 1: They burn slow, but we're on the break.
Speaker 2: They burn fast, but they warm slow. Yeah, maybe something.
Speaker 1: We're on the brink of cool new news. But until then,
Speaker 1: got to.
Speaker 2: Say, we appreciate your patience. Really sorry to be so
Speaker 2: spotty with our recordings out, but we really really enjoy
Speaker 2: making this show. We promise we are working on it,
Speaker 2: and we miss you guys. So I'm missing us, guys.
Speaker 1: We've gotten some messages checking in, are you guys?
Speaker 2: Okay, how nice to we are people to care you.
Speaker 1: Are, and I'll be worth it. I'm so, I'm so
Speaker 1: very excited. But part of recently we did go out
Speaker 1: of town.
Speaker 2: We did go out of town. We're reacted, of course,
Speaker 2: the promised land Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: Baby.
Speaker 2: We got offered some free rooms because of our last
Speaker 2: trip to Vegas.
Speaker 1: It doesn't take much.
Speaker 2: Apparently, Eli just kind of turned me. It's like, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't know, do you want to go stay? Do
Speaker 2: you want to go back to Vegas? And we hadn't
Speaker 2: planned a trip for this year, so I was like, fine.
Speaker 1: If I may say, I got that email offering us
Speaker 1: three free nights at Park MGM, and I turned to
Speaker 1: you very much expecting an eye roll, and what yeah, sure, great,
Speaker 1: No I'm not going back to Vegas. And I distinctly
Speaker 1: remember you saying, you know what, let's do it. And
Speaker 1: I was shocked, right, I was like, well, if you
Speaker 1: want to, then we're definitely going, because I always want
Speaker 1: to well, I want to go somewhere.
Speaker 2: I don't want all our vacations to just be Vegas.
Speaker 1: I don't either.
Speaker 2: That is not going to work.
Speaker 1: This one ended up being a full seven days, really
Speaker 1: crazy and I'm good for a minute, and.
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell y'all seven days is too long.
Speaker 2: It's too much Vegas. But I mean, we usually take
Speaker 2: a trip for anniversary. It's the anniversary next week actually,
Speaker 2: And we hadn't really planned anything this year because of
Speaker 2: all the reasons. We're so scattered, we're not really sure
Speaker 2: what's going on right now. So a lot of things
Speaker 2: up in the air, a lot of balls up in
Speaker 2: the air. So we were like, I was just like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what else we're going to plan for
Speaker 2: this year, so we may as well just go for it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like free stuff. I'm fine to
Speaker 2: accept free stuff. And we did accept a lot of
Speaker 2: free stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh did we? And I'll tell you well, we'll give
Speaker 1: a little brief recap of the trip in the in
Speaker 1: the upfront here. We got in the park MGM. They
Speaker 1: gave us a nice upgrade to our room, which was
Speaker 1: very kind of them. They put us up on the
Speaker 1: twenty third floor, which had been recently renovated, and they
Speaker 1: put us in a stay well room which has a
Speaker 1: air purifier and hypoallergenic pillows and a vitamin C infused shower.
Speaker 1: Whatever that means, it means nothing. What it is is
Speaker 1: you go in there and the hose of the shower
Speaker 1: has this little it looks like the Ninja Turtles two
Speaker 1: secret of the loose canister except the orange and the
Speaker 1: shower water is going through that before it comes out
Speaker 1: the shower heads. You're like, some tang is being applied
Speaker 1: to our skin right now in this shower there. The
Speaker 1: room itself, however, did not appeal to us. It was
Speaker 1: an accessibility room, which is wonderful and helpful I'm sure
Speaker 1: for someone who needs it, but like, for example, are
Speaker 1: the closet rod was set very low, so Diana couldn't
Speaker 1: hang the dresses that she brought up in the closet.
Speaker 1: And there's no furniture because obviously they want the walkways
Speaker 1: to be so there was no drawers to put our
Speaker 1: clothes in some of these things that or or for example,
Speaker 1: we really liked the standing shower that we had last
Speaker 1: time when we stayed there, and this time there was
Speaker 1: a tub with some you know, accessibility features handrails and
Speaker 1: a sitting tub with a bench and things like that,
Speaker 1: which is all cool, but it wasn't for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't need it. Yeah, So it was just like,
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit disappointing. But I thought it
Speaker 2: was very strange that a lot of the decor was
Speaker 2: just gone. And you know, it was like some of
Speaker 2: the stuff on the wall, I feel like it shouldn't
Speaker 2: have an effect, or even painting the wall or something
Speaker 2: just so that has some vibes in there. It's still
Speaker 2: a nice hotel room. The view was great. It was
Speaker 2: like a pool view.
Speaker 1: Oh pools had view lovely.
Speaker 2: But yeah, in a lot of ways, I'm just kind
Speaker 2: of I was sort of like, well, I'm angry for
Speaker 2: my accessibility friends who are getting this kind of like
Speaker 2: dingy room, but I'm glad that they. Of course, it's
Speaker 2: very important to have those accommodations. Yeah, that's more important
Speaker 2: that you can your room is functional than pretty.
Speaker 1: So the next day, Diana had treated herself to a
Speaker 1: Belagio massage spa package, and I know you had questioned
Speaker 1: it do I you know, I don't want to spend
Speaker 1: this money, and I was like, do it. We're here,
Speaker 1: We're making this as cheap a vacation as we can
Speaker 1: have your one splurge thing.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 1: And while she was gone, I thought, well, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: see if I can get our room changed. And so
Speaker 1: you tell them your SPA experience.
Speaker 2: Which I was. I'm already looking into like a mister
Speaker 2: Bean clown school or something, because I really want to
Speaker 2: make anxious girl it goes to the spa clown routine
Speaker 2: because there were many things about it that were very
Speaker 2: anxiety inducing in some ways. And I told him right
Speaker 2: up front, A very bad at relaxing, so we're here
Speaker 2: to learn. But there are lots of things like the
Speaker 2: shower was incredibly hot and I couldn't I couldn't change
Speaker 2: the temperature because there's too many knobs. So it's just
Speaker 2: various little things like that. It was totally making me
Speaker 2: laugh though otherwise it was just a beautiful experience. I mean,
Speaker 2: they were really nice there. They really weren't sneery at all.
Speaker 2: Don't I don't go to spas, so I didn't know
Speaker 2: what to do. I don't know if the policy protocols
Speaker 2: or protocols or how you move around that space looking
Speaker 2: like you belong, right, but they were so so nice.
Speaker 2: It was really beautiful facility. The massage was amazing. I
Speaker 2: also got this like CBD body scrub treatment thing that
Speaker 2: was really nice, and so I was I came out.
Speaker 2: Like when I went back out to leave, this other
Speaker 2: lady was like, did you get a facial today? And
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I didn't. I got, you know,
Speaker 2: my my two treatments. She's like, well, you are just glowing,
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, I feel like I'm glowing.
Speaker 2: And maybe she says that to everybody, but it worked
Speaker 2: for me. So it was just a lovely experience. I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm so glad I did it. It was
Speaker 2: so so wonderful.
Speaker 1: Cut to me, I'm like sweating. I did move the room.
Speaker 1: So I'm hauling all of our bags up and down
Speaker 1: elevators three days.
Speaker 2: But yes, I called him. I was like, I'm done
Speaker 2: at the Bellagio and he's like, I'm just moving us
Speaker 2: to our new room. So I'll come, you know, come
Speaker 2: on through and I'll show it to you. And Eli
Speaker 2: meets me down a lobby and he's he was like,
Speaker 2: all right, so yeah, I asked about a room upgrade
Speaker 2: or switching the room, and and you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: a better room. It's definitely a bit it's worth moving.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that we moved. Don't have, you know, lower
Speaker 2: your expectations. And I was like, okay, it's just better.
Speaker 2: So I was like, it's a standard room whatever. And
Speaker 2: we go up to the twenty eighth floor, this time
Speaker 2: higher than before. Oh that's nice. He's like the views
Speaker 2: not as good and stuff, but whatever, it's fine, and
Speaker 2: he's walking me to the room and it's like right
Speaker 2: there by the elevators. Didn't realize he was filming me.
Speaker 2: That would have been a real giveaway because he opened
Speaker 2: the door and it was like the most amazing suite
Speaker 2: that I've ever been in. I was like, what am
Speaker 2: I looking at?
Speaker 1: Was closet?
Speaker 2: We had a walk in closet. The bathroom is amazing,
Speaker 2: so cute and had all of the little decor and
Speaker 2: details that I had been looking for, and it was
Speaker 2: so lovely, and I was just like.
Speaker 1: Wow, it was it was a worse view.
Speaker 2: It was a worse view, but who cares better? Oh man,
Speaker 2: it was just so such a nice surprise. So I
Speaker 2: was just like, I'm already feeling so good, and then
Speaker 2: he had spent all this time to make me feel
Speaker 2: even better. It was really nice.
Speaker 1: Well look at me, look at you, sweating and dragon
Speaker 1: and I know you had the very opposite of relaxing experience.
Speaker 1: But but then bullet points, let's see lots of money,
Speaker 1: want some money, saw caw it struck to Sole, which
Speaker 1: is really cool. We saw a fantasy at Luxur which
Speaker 1: was so we went for like, oh, we'll see like
Speaker 1: a strip tease sexy girls show. It was hilarious. The
Speaker 1: MC was just killer. She's an incredible singer and comedian.
Speaker 1: And there was a stand up that was awesome. It
Speaker 1: was just a great show. Really loved it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was so surprised because it's one of the
Speaker 2: cheaper shows that we went to, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this one's actually really good. And then girls were very
Speaker 2: pretty and they danced really well, and I mean everything
Speaker 2: was really fun. So I was just like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: this is great. And we were like right in the
Speaker 2: front row too. It's kind of freaky, but fortunately nobody
Speaker 2: bothered us. They had other people. They had drunker people
Speaker 2: to make fun of.
Speaker 1: We saw Piff the Magic Dragon from America's Got Talent.
Speaker 1: He was hilarious. And then and then yeah, and then
Speaker 1: we were gonna leave Friday, and Caesar's Properties offered us
Speaker 1: two more free nights at the Horseshoe. I don't know
Speaker 1: why we're not high rollers. We're not big spenders. I
Speaker 1: guess they just like us.
Speaker 2: We just said why not and.
Speaker 1: Then we left. We checked out the day that MGM
Speaker 1: got hacked, but we were we had moved over to
Speaker 1: a Caesar's property so we didn't have to deal with it.
Speaker 1: We didn't even know what was happening until we until
Speaker 1: we left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we also were there when Ed Sheeran canceled the concert,
Speaker 2: just like an hour or something before it was supposed
Speaker 2: to go on. God and I had gone up to
Speaker 2: the room and seeing these five girls leaving their room
Speaker 2: at the Horseshoe dressed like Ed Sheeran, like they had
Speaker 2: full on Weasley red wigs, I was like, they're either
Speaker 2: Weasley's or Ed Sheeran, I don't know which one. And
Speaker 2: when I realized Ed Seron was playing, it was like
Speaker 2: that's definitely what it was. All were in the same outfit,
Speaker 2: they had like uh drawn on facial hair and everything,
Speaker 2: and I was just like so excited for them because
Speaker 2: I was like, what an amazing night they're going to
Speaker 2: have it Ed Sheeran.
Speaker 1: And then he canceled, and I was just.
Speaker 2: Thinking about them all weekend, like I hope they went
Speaker 2: to karaoke and all saying shape of You together or something.
Speaker 1: People were mad, but I were mad. I heard it
Speaker 1: was a legit safety issue.
Speaker 2: Yes it was. It sounded like it was the right
Speaker 2: thing to do. But I definitely felt sorry because we
Speaker 2: were talking about some people had the worst, very worst
Speaker 2: possible Vegas vacation that they could have had because they
Speaker 2: flew in to stay at an MGM property and see
Speaker 2: Ed Sheeran and instead they did not see Ed Sheerant,
Speaker 2: and they got their credit card information compromise and couldn't.
Speaker 1: Play anything slot like hours to check out of your.
Speaker 2: Anyway, crazy situation. So we got very Maybe we didn't
Speaker 2: make our fortune in Vegas, but I still feel like
Speaker 2: we were very, very lucky.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we had a really nice time.
Speaker 2: It was wonderful, some good food.
Speaker 1: So that's the bullet point. We won't spend the whole
Speaker 1: episodisode recounting like we did last year when we went
Speaker 1: to Vegas with Cherry and Jason. But uh, but we're back.
Speaker 1: We're in our in our in our house. Yay. Not
Speaker 1: a sweet, not a.
Speaker 2: Sweet that does not get turned down every naw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No one comes in here and cleans when we
Speaker 1: go out to work.
Speaker 2: Who's responsible for this bathroom?
Speaker 1: Right? And uh, none of the games I'm playing even
Speaker 1: have the possibility of paying me money anymore.
Speaker 2: You're paying them. Yeah, so but onward you're different out here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I am excited to be back to this
Speaker 1: because I do love doing this so much more than
Speaker 1: sitting around and waiting to do this, which is what
Speaker 1: I spend the rest of my time doing. Well.
Speaker 2: Also, this one's really interesting. Yeah, this is fun because
Speaker 2: I get last episode we were talking about fuck for Forrest.
Speaker 1: If you can remember way back, ask your grandparents if
Speaker 1: they remember that episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go back to the ancestry decades ago. But yeah,
Speaker 2: one of our story, and that one was about the
Speaker 2: non well I guess it's not really technically a nonprofit,
Speaker 2: but they're trying to basically make pornography to raise money
Speaker 2: to give to environmental causes, and they sometimes have sex
Speaker 2: with vegetables, okay, and so it's like, hmm, and apparently
Speaker 2: that is part of being an eco sexual, which is
Speaker 2: this whole sexual identity. I had never heard of this,
Speaker 2: even doing this show for two years, had not this
Speaker 2: had not come up for us. So this was really exciting.
Speaker 2: And it turns out that the pioneers of ecosexuality are
Speaker 2: a married lesbian couple who have spent decades making art
Speaker 2: around female sexuality, gender identity, queer identity, and environmental action.
Speaker 2: So all lots of things that we're interested in, especially
Speaker 2: at this show. So let's talk about Annie Sprinkle, Beth
Speaker 2: Stevens and the eco sexual identity that proclaims that Earth
Speaker 2: is not our mother but our love. Oh okay, let's go, yay.
Speaker 3: Come listen. Well, Eli and Diana got some stories to tell.
Speaker 3: There's no matchmaking a romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous
Speaker 3: relations ships.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 3: There might be any type of person at all, an
Speaker 3: abstract concept or a concrete wall. But if there's a
Speaker 3: story where the Second clans ridiculous romance.
Speaker 1: A production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Stevens was born in nineteen sixty in Montgomery, West Virginia,
Speaker 2: deep in coal country, to a coal company owning family,
Speaker 2: which must be an interesting thing for her to deal
Speaker 2: with now that she's such an environmental you know, activists, right.
Speaker 2: She went to lots of great schools, Tufts, the Museum's School,
Speaker 2: and Rutgers, earning fine arts degrees, and then she was
Speaker 2: hired at the University of California in Santa Cruz UC
Speaker 2: Santa Cruz in nineteen ninety three, where as outsiderfest dot
Speaker 2: Org writes, she was quote a feisty, punk, dyke, playboy,
Speaker 2: interdisciplinary artist and professor exploring themes of gender, queerness and feminism.
Speaker 1: I know that that was my crowd in college. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: I honest.
Speaker 2: I don't know. If I could have hung out with them,
Speaker 2: I would have felt not cool enough, but I would
Speaker 2: have been like, they're so cool.
Speaker 1: Oh. I was just like sitting like, just keep your
Speaker 1: mouth shut. Just it's cool that you're here. Just to live,
Speaker 1: to be included. Just live in it. Don't say, don't
Speaker 1: ruin it.
Speaker 2: Just let it happen. Just happy to be in the
Speaker 2: room exactly. One of Beth's earliest projects is a film
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty nine called Women Eating, and another from
Speaker 2: the same year where she interviews Wahawk and women and then.
Speaker 2: She would eventually chair the art department at UC Santa
Speaker 2: Cruz twice, once between two thousand and six and two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine and then again from twenty seventeen until
Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: You know, it's very rude to watch women eating and
Speaker 1: women talking at the same time.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 1: You want to make sure you've finished women eating and
Speaker 1: then you can go into women talking.
Speaker 2: But don't then watch women swallowing. That's a very different film.
Speaker 2: Oh nope, the in between film is not the same.
Speaker 2: It's not part of the series.
Speaker 1: All right, So the other woman here, Annie Sprinkle. She's
Speaker 1: going to take a little bit longer to introduce. She
Speaker 1: was born Ellen f Steinberg in Philly in nineteen fifty four,
Speaker 1: and then her family moved to la and then they
Speaker 1: moved to Panama during her teen years, and when she
Speaker 1: was eighteen, she was working at a movie theater in Tucson,
Speaker 1: Arizona that was showing the seminole porn film Deep Throat,
Speaker 1: Ah the classic. Ellen here was working at the Deep
Speaker 1: Throat screening and the movie theater she was working at
Speaker 1: got busted for showing an adult movie. Oh we swear
Speaker 1: we thought it was about the Nixon tapes. Well. Ellen
Speaker 1: was called as a witness during this case, and when
Speaker 1: she went to the courthouse, she met and fell head
Speaker 1: over heels for Deep Throats director Gerard Damiano.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: She became his mistress and she followed him to New
Speaker 1: York City and Not long after, she of course naturally
Speaker 1: started doing porn herself under the name Annie Sprinkle. Her
Speaker 1: best known porn you all know and love. It's one
Speaker 1: that she co directed. It's called Deep Inside Annie Sprinkle,
Speaker 1: and it was the second highest grossing porn film of
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one. Did you happen to find the first?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: Not?
Speaker 2: I should find it.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't even matter because who inside Annie Sprinkle?
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, really, get me a lot of
Speaker 1: I assume it's about an introspective look, yeah, exactly into
Speaker 1: the soul of Annie Sprinkle and not.
Speaker 2: It's basically beat poetry.
Speaker 1: Sure, beat your meat poetry.
Speaker 2: Beat your meat poetry. You know, Annie would probably approve
Speaker 2: of that. I think she'd be like, I'm down for
Speaker 2: beat your meat poetry. Let's get this going.
Speaker 1: Bongo drums, Jack carra whass Jack Carroll whack off.
Speaker 2: Jack Carroll whack off. Yeah, doing beat the meat poetry.
Speaker 1: Jack off carohakoff.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we should do that meat poetry. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm the work on anxious girl going to the spa,
Speaker 2: but you need to work on jack off kro whakhoff
Speaker 2: doing beat your meat poetry?
Speaker 1: All right, that's it everyone ridiculous from it's canceled. We're
Speaker 1: focused on this project.
Speaker 2: Now we have some art.
Speaker 1: To make, all right. Well.
Speaker 2: Anny then started getting into sex education as well as entertainment.
Speaker 2: She created a Sluts and Goddesses workshop about female pleasure
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one that then became a video workshop series.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety six, she became the first known porn
Speaker 2: star to earn a doctorate degree, which she got in
Speaker 2: human sexuality. And I love the qualifier. They're like, lots
Speaker 2: of people have doctorate degrees, lots of people are porn stars.
Speaker 2: A lot of people with doctors don't tell you if
Speaker 2: they ever did porn. Oh, they don't let you know.
Speaker 2: But she's like, I'm just the first body who said it. Yeah, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Proud of it.
Speaker 2: I want you to know. Okay, I bet there's a
Speaker 2: lot more people now that have like doctorates that are
Speaker 2: on OnlyFans house.
Speaker 1: Do you think they paid for medical exactly right?
Speaker 2: But anyway, at the time, this was a real surprise.
Speaker 2: And then she pioneered feminist pornography or porn based on
Speaker 2: women's desires, which she kind of created because she wanted
Speaker 2: to defy a feminist group that operated in the seventies
Speaker 2: and eighties that was hilariously called WOP Women Against Pornography.
Speaker 2: What but I kind of love the idea of Cardi
Speaker 2: b and Megan thee Stallion being like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm taking it back. WOP now means wet ass pussy.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 1: Wow, women against Pornography? You get a bucket and a mop.
Speaker 1: We're going to clean up this town. What if that
Speaker 1: have been their slogan is like, We're going to get
Speaker 1: a bucket and a mop and clean up this town.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love it so much. Uh, Annie's
Speaker 2: Beinka also made lesbian porn and a transgender love story
Speaker 2: film Okay, which you know again she's she's making movies
Speaker 2: in the nineties. This was a real boundary that she
Speaker 2: was pushing.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Some other genres that she has been at the for scanna,
Speaker 2: I mean forefront of Wow whoops em uh are include
Speaker 2: genres like edgy porn, triple X docu drama, gonzo porn, okay,
Speaker 2: art porn, and feminist erotica.
Speaker 1: All right, gonzo porn more like gonzo journalism, not muppets.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming.
Speaker 2: Well, look, you know what, there's something everybody with pornography,
Speaker 2: but gonzo porn like gonzo journalism. It kind of sounds
Speaker 2: like you run up on somebody.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, Wikipedia tells me it's the style of pornographic
Speaker 1: film that attempts to place the viewer directly into the scene.
Speaker 2: Oh so it's like POV porn.
Speaker 1: Yeah kind of maybe so yeah, yeah, POV is what
Speaker 1: they get into here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, well, apparently any VR, porn, VR, early VR. I'm
Speaker 2: surprised she's not working on so maybe she is.
Speaker 1: She may be. Well.
Speaker 2: Annie Spinkle one of the first to do POV porn.
Speaker 2: I yes, she also worked as a prostitute. She got
Speaker 2: into burless, she did live sex shows, and she wrote
Speaker 2: for sex magazines. So she's just all over the sex industry.
Speaker 1: Annie also started doing performance art. Naturally, she needed every
Speaker 1: outlet she could find to get this. She clearly a
Speaker 1: lot of performance hey now. This included her best known piece,
Speaker 1: public cervix Announcement, where where she lets the audience view
Speaker 1: her cervix with a speculum and a flashlight to quote
Speaker 1: celebrate the female body. And I mean I celebrate a
Speaker 1: lot of things that I don't need a very close
Speaker 1: look at. Don't tell me what's in that cake for example,
Speaker 1: I'm good with the big picture.
Speaker 4: Well it doesn't know, won't hurt me? Yeah exactly, but
Speaker 4: I don't know won't hurt me. Another formance piece she
Speaker 4: did was called The Legend of the Ancient Sacred Prostitute,
Speaker 4: where she does something called a quote sex magic masturbation
Speaker 4: ritual on stage.
Speaker 2: Sex magic sounds like a very White song to me,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, baby, ooh, I'm gonna turn you on with
Speaker 2: my six magic.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 5: Give it to us, very if it don't work for
Speaker 5: you to bear that movie tragy, because we was made
Speaker 5: for a low murderer, were made for to Juny of
Speaker 5: those books and wed a lowe.
Speaker 1: Wow, very very.
Speaker 2: Journy.
Speaker 1: Other book, Very, how did you get in here?
Speaker 5: You gonna pull a scarf, ride out on my hat
Speaker 5: and then you jump in the box.
Speaker 2: And I was ritual and half straight or blow out
Speaker 2: the back, but out there.
Speaker 1: Us up. Okay, he tied the magic back in. I
Speaker 1: see that's good.
Speaker 2: Okaye. He's a sex.
Speaker 1: Magician, sex magician.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's pulling things out of his sack.
Speaker 1: He's pulling things out of somewhere. All right, Well, thanks
Speaker 1: for stopping by special guest star Very White today's episode.
Speaker 2: I'm doing a real bad job, David.
Speaker 1: All Right. So Annie also has toured internationally for years
Speaker 1: doing her performance art. She is often presented as a
Speaker 1: visiting artist at universities and colleges all over the US
Speaker 1: and Europe, and her work is also studied in courses
Speaker 1: all over in colleges like women's studies, queer studies, film history,
Speaker 1: human sexuality, courses like that, the history of World War Two. Sure,
Speaker 1: home economics, I'm sure ap calculus. That's high school, but
Speaker 1: you know it's an advanced class.
Speaker 2: So making taught again with Annie Sprinkle, Now that would work,
Speaker 2: I mean maybe it would. Well, that's pretty cool. I
Speaker 2: mean that's cool to first of all, get get get
Speaker 2: a doctorate in human sexuality and then start adding so
Speaker 2: much to the study of human sexuality with your own
Speaker 2: work and your own art and everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, in such a school, no pun intended, untapped field,
Speaker 1: I mean, there is a lot of room for new
Speaker 1: movement and new ideas and stuff. There's barely anybody focused
Speaker 1: and studying it. So you come in and it's kind
Speaker 1: of the you know, it's the world's your playground, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can got to say, no one's it now it's
Speaker 1: up to new scholars to contest what you said. But
Speaker 1: you've got no rules you want.
Speaker 2: I guess that's true. She also was saying, she said
Speaker 2: in some interview that she was like a lot of
Speaker 2: sex workers don't care about the art world, but I
Speaker 2: found it to be more free, Like I was able
Speaker 2: to be more free with my sexuality and with my
Speaker 2: with my creative expression in the art world than I
Speaker 2: was in the sex world. And I thought that was
Speaker 2: interesting because the art world can be very stuffy, the.
Speaker 1: Art world can be very excluding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was a cool thing to read from.
Speaker 1: Her, because artists are kind of sometimes artists I have
Speaker 1: found dabbling in the art world ourselves a little bit.
Speaker 1: I sort of feel like if you're not also an artist,
Speaker 1: if you don't speak the language, if you don't understand,
Speaker 1: you're less invited, yeah than us. Yeah, But with sex,
Speaker 1: like everybody is invited, Like you can't exclude like literally everyone,
Speaker 1: almost everybody, everybody, but you know, as a as a
Speaker 1: general rule, most people are involved in sex in some
Speaker 1: way in their lives, if nothing else. It's what brought
Speaker 1: them here.
Speaker 2: So it's hard to exclude very true.
Speaker 1: You know, anyone from that very.
Speaker 2: True, and it's hard to I mean, you can put
Speaker 2: a lot of academic language on the human body and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, but there's still a lot of room
Speaker 2: for a lack of pretension because it is I mean,
Speaker 2: we make funny faces that, we make funny noises, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's a joyous expression a lot
Speaker 2: of time. So anyway, it's hard to get too stuffy
Speaker 2: about it, right, getting stuffed.
Speaker 1: Don't get stuffy about getting stuffed.
Speaker 2: Annie Sprinkleway. Well, anyway, maybe it's no surprise to anyone
Speaker 2: that when these two radical queer, sex positive art making
Speaker 2: feminists met each other, they like immediately fell head over
Speaker 2: heels for one another, and they started collaborating together, and
Speaker 2: in two thousand and four they committed to seven years
Speaker 2: of art projects about love called the Love Art Laboratory,
Speaker 2: and these projects always included a wedding. Okay, Now, at
Speaker 2: the time, this was really pushing some boundaries because marriage
Speaker 2: equality was a really big issue. Kind of hard to
Speaker 2: remember how crazy this was now and we were there
Speaker 2: for it, you know what I mean. But there was
Speaker 2: such a tug of war going on in the US
Speaker 2: about whether or not same sex marriage was okay. Basically
Speaker 2: so over the seven years that these ladies were doing
Speaker 2: these projects, many states would legalize same sex marriage in
Speaker 2: their own state and then have it overturned by a
Speaker 2: constitutional amendment, kind of like with California's Prop eight or
Speaker 2: Prop eight as we called it. Between especially twenty four
Speaker 2: and twenty fifteen, people were getting the right to have
Speaker 2: domestic or civil unions instead of marriage. It was just
Speaker 2: like a different word, so stupid, So they were getting
Speaker 2: permission for that, while other states were at the same
Speaker 2: time defining marriage as being between a man and woman,
Speaker 2: no one else can get married. Many places were issuing
Speaker 2: marriage licenses so people would get married, and then they
Speaker 2: would later invalidate the marriage license, so now you're not
Speaker 2: married anymore. Just a really chaotic situation going on for
Speaker 2: many years until finally, finally SCOTUS ruled same sex marriage
Speaker 2: bands unconstitutional in twenty fifteen. Boom, Now we barely remember relish.
Speaker 1: I know, well it's wild and you know, and it's
Speaker 1: not like it's not coming up again because people are
Speaker 1: still real sensitive about it for some reason. And I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here after you know how many years we've been
Speaker 1: doing this show and thinking, y'all, can you can we
Speaker 1: just ignore that. We got people out here trying to
Speaker 1: marry computer programs and buildings and shit and this, and
Speaker 1: you know, personally, I'm like, there's nothing wrong with that,
Speaker 1: but at least can y'all just get away from when
Speaker 1: two humans are marrying each other? Just let it be.
Speaker 2: It's fine, it's.
Speaker 1: Fine, it's great. It's actually real nice, right, it's a
Speaker 1: real nice thing that people do, and to be nice,
Speaker 1: you know, like, what the hell is your problem?
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful expression of I'd like to stand by
Speaker 2: your side forever. Holy shit, how beautiful, you know. But
Speaker 2: people were like feeling somehow like their marriage was lessened
Speaker 2: i same sex marriage or something, even though literally it
Speaker 2: was just so they could have legal protections had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with anything sacred. It had something to do
Speaker 2: with whether or not you could leave somebody something when
Speaker 2: you died, or if they could have custody of their
Speaker 2: kids together and stuff like that. So it was kind
Speaker 2: of it was just such a stupid temper tantrum that
Speaker 2: lasted literally like eleven years.
Speaker 1: So Annie and Beth, their actual legal domestic partnership, was
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. This happened alongside thirty three other couples,
Speaker 1: a spectrum of LGBTQ and straight couples as well. Annie
Speaker 1: wore a silver disco dress and a feather trimmed duster,
Speaker 1: and Beth wore a silver tuxedo. And the San Francisco
Speaker 1: Gay Men's Chorus and the Transgender Choir the Believers performed
Speaker 1: at this ceremony. This is when they thought of this
Speaker 1: idea of wedding as a performance art and they started
Speaker 1: the Love Art Laboratory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Beth was saying, you know, it is a lot
Speaker 2: like a play. I think we said the same when
Speaker 2: we had our wedding, because it was very much you
Speaker 2: need a stage manager our day of planner. You have
Speaker 2: to think about the audience, you have to think about
Speaker 2: there's speeches to give monologues basically to prepare. There's cues.
Speaker 2: I mean, everything about it is very performance based. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: So they were like, hmm.
Speaker 1: The only thing we missed was repelling down from helicopter
Speaker 1: to the beginning of ours. There was a lot well,
Speaker 1: there was a lot more performance. There was an idea
Speaker 1: for our wedding at one point that we were going
Speaker 1: to record a video message from ourselves from the future
Speaker 1: and pop in and say something and we were going
Speaker 1: to have to time it out so that us at
Speaker 1: the altar would have to like speak to them.
Speaker 2: That's right. That's why we didn't do it.
Speaker 1: Like an old talk show bit man, it would have
Speaker 1: been great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we knew the vows, it will have more
Speaker 2: money and it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 1: We'll be in front of four hundred thousand people and
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be the new greatest.
Speaker 2: You'll have costume changes, there will be helicopter.
Speaker 1: So it's a wedding performance art idea. And each year
Speaker 1: of the Love Art Laboratory was assigned a color based
Speaker 1: on a chakra and a theme. Right, So everyone is
Speaker 1: welcome to take their vows with these two and apparently
Speaker 1: the ceremony would also always include an objection to the wedding,
Speaker 1: where a friend would get up and read the top
Speaker 1: ten reasons why marriage should be abolished about how it's
Speaker 1: outdated and unequal, you know, just to make sure that
Speaker 1: there is some perspective in the space in the conversation,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Right, Because they were like, you know, we're having fun
Speaker 2: experimenting with the performance of a wedding, the performance of love.
Speaker 2: Who gets to get married in the country and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. But of course lots of people find marriage
Speaker 2: to be a very outdated institution that does nothing for anybody.
Speaker 1: So they were like, why not, It's just inclusivity, you know,
Speaker 1: like your perspective is part of this too, but we're
Speaker 1: also going to do it.
Speaker 2: But we're going.
Speaker 1: Going to so we kind of felt, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like there's a real silliness to the idea of marriage,
Speaker 1: the institution of marriage and the history we have marriage,
Speaker 1: and also like we want to do that our own way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was just there's something nice about
Speaker 2: having a party where everybody gets to come together and
Speaker 2: be excited that you found each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That, and then there's something lovely too, at least for us,
Speaker 2: since we liked each other's families. I guess I don't
Speaker 2: know about others, but there's something too about that feeling of, oh,
Speaker 2: you're part of my family now, so you need to
Speaker 2: meet everybody, or you're all mixed together. I need to
Speaker 2: meet your family. We're all one family, so it's important
Speaker 2: for us to you know, share this space, break bread together,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Say the magic words the
Speaker 2: incantation right that creates a valve which which is real.
Speaker 2: I think there is something magical about your promises.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I think so. And then the cool
Speaker 1: trip afterwards, and then of course shout out to the sologamists,
Speaker 1: who I think deserve that party too, whether if you're
Speaker 1: going to you know, just marry yourself or whatever.
Speaker 2: Find your true love in your own mirror if you
Speaker 2: need to so. According to CNN, the first love art
Speaker 2: laboratory wedding was in two thousand and four. It was
Speaker 2: the Red Year, featuring quote a series of public cuddling
Speaker 2: performances and hours long kissing sessions. They hosted sidewalk sex clinics,
Speaker 2: and they held their red wedding at a former burlesque club.
Speaker 2: Just a quick note, very different red wedding from the
Speaker 2: game of their own's red wedding. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 2: these terms mean a lot of different things. Now, No,
Speaker 2: back to CNN quote. In the Orange Year, they married
Speaker 2: their community and guests came dressed as orange juicers and carrots.
Speaker 2: All right, But it was Annie and Beth's fourth Green
Speaker 2: wedding when they came out to the world as eco
Speaker 2: sexuals and they started incorporating the environment more into not
Speaker 2: only their artwork but into their love lives, and we
Speaker 2: will tell you all about that right after this quick break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 1: So the Green Wedding to the Earth took place in
Speaker 1: the woods, obviously where else. It had more than one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty collaborators and four hundred guests, and they
Speaker 1: were all given bags of soil to breathe from deeply
Speaker 1: during the ceremony.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, all I could picture somebody breathing deeply and oh.
Speaker 1: Absolutely everywhere I need a breathe dirt.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm still on my mister bean tip, but
Speaker 2: that's what I see if my head.
Speaker 1: During this, a soprano did an operatic strip tease. Some
Speaker 1: guy got drenched in green paint and wrapped up in
Speaker 1: a sheet, and a girl with a snake around her
Speaker 1: neck read poetry. There was a floutist. Someone got spanked
Speaker 1: with a bouquet of flowers, all very exciting, sort of
Speaker 1: earthy kind of stuff. You can watch a compilation of
Speaker 1: all these eco weddings on their website, which is Sprinkle
Speaker 1: Stevens dot UCSC dot edu if you're interested, and if
Speaker 1: you never thought you'd see an edu website where you
Speaker 1: get to watch someone get spanked flowers or whatever. Well,
Speaker 1: now you can.
Speaker 2: It's quite quite interesting. You should check it out.
Speaker 1: And what would you call it safe for work? Actually, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's not pornographic at all. It's really not like that.
Speaker 1: I hope the guy got drenched in green paint. It
Speaker 1: was like an ecologically sound green paint, you know, you
Speaker 1: know a paint.
Speaker 2: Great question, it's everytirement latex paint right now.
Speaker 1: Or who knows well? Who knows, not us. That's not
Speaker 1: what we're here for, not us information. Okay. So Annie
Speaker 1: and Beth then dressed all in green with big feathers
Speaker 1: and flowers, and anyone else at the wedding who cared
Speaker 1: to would repeat the vows to take the Earth as
Speaker 1: their lover, and they took the Eco sex pledge, which
Speaker 1: is quote, I promise to love, honor, and cherish you
Speaker 1: Earth until death brings us closer together forever, which does
Speaker 1: make Earth kind of pretty great partner. Do you know
Speaker 1: human's gonna shove off eventually?
Speaker 2: They they that's true. Eventually the Earth will reclaim you.
Speaker 1: I suppose all of us.
Speaker 2: There's a whole Eco sex manifesto, and this is just
Speaker 2: the pledge. At the end, the.
Speaker 1: Earth will reclaim all of us except for me, who,
Speaker 1: as you know, my plans, Diana Postport is to be
Speaker 1: frozen and shot into space so the aliens can find
Speaker 1: me and either reanimate me or you know, learn about
Speaker 1: humans and come here and you know, do their thing.
Speaker 1: Whatever that is. I assume it.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is.
Speaker 1: My assumptions of aliens is that they would do good.
Speaker 2: Well, that's nice, that's nice. I will have to ask
Speaker 2: our friends bleed.
Speaker 1: Blop, you know, they do need to make an appearance.
Speaker 1: But I'm listening. I don't hear them coming now, So
Speaker 1: maybe next episodion. We've been going for a while. They
Speaker 1: clearly know that we don't have time.
Speaker 2: I know we don't have time for that, but right now,
Speaker 2: So what is eco sexuality?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, the subject of the episode.
Speaker 2: We should finally get to that, because partly for Annie
Speaker 2: and Beth, it's kind of a way to make environmental
Speaker 2: activism a little more fun.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: They feel like it's usually pretty stuffy and moralistic and
Speaker 2: very like you know, oh, shame, shame, shame, right whoa
Speaker 2: and fear you know around it, and there should be
Speaker 2: a healthy amount of fear around that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: But they call it like al gore stuff, the alfect
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Don't get me started. I honestly like an Inconvenient Truth.
Speaker 1: There's the lamest title for a movie that everyone should
Speaker 1: be paying attention to. Like, by the time you finish
Speaker 1: the word inconvenient, I'm asleep. I don't care, and I
Speaker 1: don't need what. I don't know what this movie's about.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like it's for me. It doesn't sound
Speaker 1: interesting or important or an truth. Okay, right, take up everybody.
Speaker 1: The Earth is dying right e.
Speaker 2: Xach was kind of a horrible death knell that you're
Speaker 2: sounding with a very boring bell. But anyway, so they
Speaker 2: kind of were like, you know, this way we can
Speaker 2: bring a little humor, a little absurdism into the environmental
Speaker 2: move make it a little more accessible and fun. But
Speaker 2: mostly the idea is about changing our mindset. They kind
Speaker 2: of feel like, since we see Earth as a mother,
Speaker 2: we maybe take it for granted, like we might do
Speaker 2: with our own mother. We expect it to take care
Speaker 2: of us and need nothing in return, sort of unconditional
Speaker 2: you know, I can take my laundry to her and
Speaker 2: she'll clean it, but I can forget her birthday and
Speaker 2: she'll forgive me wow. Kind of kind of relationship. But
Speaker 2: they say a lover is a partner, and they require respect,
Speaker 2: they require give and take, they require love and care,
Speaker 2: and if you don't, they will leave you. They won't
Speaker 2: just keep loving you forever. So Annie Sprinkle told teen
Speaker 2: Vogue that by making Earth your lover, it's quote putting
Speaker 2: the responsibility on you to uphold your side of the relationship.
Speaker 2: It's revolutionary. I kind of like it, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I really like that. It makes me think
Speaker 1: that maybe people should start treating their mothers a little well,
Speaker 1: and maybe not you know, their lovers, but certainly like
Speaker 1: a partner.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think more how you treat them when
Speaker 2: you're When you're grown, you know, you start to understand
Speaker 2: what it takes to be a mom, whether you have
Speaker 2: kids or not. You're kind of like, wow, it turns
Speaker 2: out that was really a really crazy thing somebody did
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: I do try to pop into my parents now and
Speaker 1: then and say, ah, wow, you know, you know, thanks,
Speaker 1: because you don't recognize what they're doing when you're a kid,
Speaker 1: not right, because of course they are. Somebody's gonna put
Speaker 1: food in front of you, and somebody's gonna you know,
Speaker 1: make sure you get to school on time and become
Speaker 1: a decent person hopefully hopefully, and uh you know, and
Speaker 1: then you're grown up and you're like, we who have
Speaker 1: no children, I'm like, how the hell, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I have the time and energy to devote to making
Speaker 1: sure a person okay, becomes not the worst person right now?
Speaker 1: I don't. I do not have no the focus for that,
Speaker 1: let alone anything else.
Speaker 2: Or sometimes, like you know, my cousin who's like eleven,
Speaker 2: will ask me a question about something, I'm like, how
Speaker 2: the hell could I answer this without a making you
Speaker 2: very cynical or or I don't know, just well, kid,
Speaker 2: I know I tell you something about life. Well, I'm like,
Speaker 2: sometimes you just want the kid to vent, right, You're like, ah, man,
Speaker 2: that sucks whatever. And then other times you're like should
Speaker 2: I be giving advice? You'd be like, people, don't think
Speaker 2: about it this way, think about it this way, or
Speaker 2: like what about what about that bully maybe is going
Speaker 2: on at home? And we want to be compassionate, you
Speaker 2: know whatever. It's just hard to figure out which way
Speaker 2: to go and how to again just how to mold
Speaker 2: a person, I guess. And then sometimes you're tired and
Speaker 2: you're like, I don't care about your weird thing at school.
Speaker 2: You won't care about this you're eleven, Like you're gonna
Speaker 2: forget about this by the time you're in call. But
Speaker 2: at the time when you're eleven feels huge. I remember
Speaker 2: that being eleven and something feeling like it's going to
Speaker 2: last forever and it's not going to ever be any
Speaker 2: different than this, and I'm very scared and I'm very
Speaker 2: afraid of how it's going to turn out. Anyway, Well,
Speaker 2: parenting is hard.
Speaker 1: What take if your parents or your mentors or whoever
Speaker 1: you owe that to is out there and you're close
Speaker 1: to them, you know, say hey, say what's up?
Speaker 2: Say hey, thanks a lot, yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, minor listening, so I don't have to, or
Speaker 1: at least my mom is she'll tell my dad.
Speaker 2: She'll say, by the way Eli's things, Eli.
Speaker 1: He cares, we'll see them on linesday, We're going to
Speaker 1: a movie.
Speaker 2: By the way Elisa's things anyway. So basically, yes, they're like,
Speaker 2: you take your parents for granted, but it's harder to
Speaker 2: take your lovers for granted. We should see the earth
Speaker 2: more as a partner in life, and that we need
Speaker 2: to cherish and let them know how much we appreciate
Speaker 2: them and all that stuff, or they're going to leave
Speaker 2: us high and dry. And the eco Sexual Manifesto includes
Speaker 2: conservation principles like buying less and then only buying local,
Speaker 2: organic and sustainable products, as well as working towards world
Speaker 2: peace because, as the manifesto says, quote, bombs hurt. Oh
Speaker 2: and that's true, right, yeah, I scar the earth as
Speaker 2: well as.
Speaker 1: People right now. Ecosexuality is a sexual identity, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be your main sexual identity. And how
Speaker 1: far you take it if you are an ecosexual is
Speaker 1: totally up to you. Vice News spoke to Amanda Morgan,
Speaker 1: who's an ecosexual and she's faculty at the UNLV School
Speaker 1: of Community Health Sciences. She told WECE that it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the Kinsey scale, right. Some ecosexuals they
Speaker 1: keep it real simple. They're just like, I just get
Speaker 1: a sustainable, environmentally sound sex toys, right, This was not
Speaker 1: this is not covered in blood, diamonds and the skin
Speaker 1: of an endangered creature.
Speaker 2: I want to look made sure, although I don't know
Speaker 2: what that does for the bees actually probably not not
Speaker 2: eco sexual approved bees and a gorge.
Speaker 1: But other people also keep it kind of simple. They
Speaker 1: might enjoy skinny dipping or naked sunbathings. They're just kind
Speaker 1: of feeling the elements on them. Now. On the other
Speaker 1: end of the scale, of course, is the people we
Speaker 1: all think of when we hear the word ecosexual.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: She says that there's people who quote roll around in
Speaker 1: the dirt having an orgasm covered in potting soil. They
Speaker 1: are people who fuck trees or masturbate under a waterfall.
Speaker 2: Oh right, they fuck trees.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll just leave that to your imaginations. These people
Speaker 1: might also have sex with vegetables like our friends. And
Speaker 1: for the last episode in Fuck for Forest and I
Speaker 1: was going to ask you what you think is the
Speaker 1: sexiest vegetable.
Speaker 2: I don't find the vegetables very sexual.
Speaker 1: I don't mean, what vegetable are you sexually attracted to?
Speaker 1: But like, you know, if you were going to cast
Speaker 1: a vegetable in a leading role in a movie, right,
Speaker 1: they're just like, that's one sexy vegetable? Can you do
Speaker 1: you have.
Speaker 2: One's funny is that I think melons and cucumbers, the
Speaker 2: zucchini have been common, right, the ones that you usually
Speaker 2: but thanks to emojis, it's now peaches and eggplants.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, so I don't know. Yeah, boobs emoji? Is
Speaker 1: there peaches butts? Right?
Speaker 2: Peaches, melons, melons or boobs?
Speaker 1: Right? We don't. I don't think there's a two melons emoji.
Speaker 1: There should be a bundle of melons.
Speaker 2: Wonder what the boob emoji is?
Speaker 1: Well, regardless of emoji.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a blue footed booby emoji and they just
Speaker 2: say show me your boob.
Speaker 1: Oh, show me your boobies. Yeah, I hope.
Speaker 2: So I don't think we got that to the emoji makers.
Speaker 2: Make a blue footed booby emoji, and I promise it
Speaker 2: will get some use.
Speaker 1: I will say there was a at the grocery store
Speaker 1: the other day we got back from our trip, hadn't
Speaker 1: cooked a home cooked meal in a while, really wanted
Speaker 1: a salad. Yeah, And I went and got a cucumber.
Speaker 1: And if I may say, this particular batch of cucumbers
Speaker 1: were not only huge, but cooler. Straight. No, no, they
Speaker 1: were just the straightest cucumbers I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: So you could really do something with that.
Speaker 1: I guess. So there was. I picked one up and
Speaker 1: a part of me was like, what what cucumbers make
Speaker 1: me think? Some kinds of things I'm not comfortable with.
Speaker 2: I don't appreciate the thoughts this cucumber may have Kroger.
Speaker 1: Anyway, the answer is pomegranate, which is I guess, a fruit,
Speaker 1: not a vegetable.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go. That's why I didn't say it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a very uh that that goes back in
Speaker 1: art history. The pomegranate was all about fertility and sex.
Speaker 2: Sure I lost seeds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, so gross. Now I don't like the
Speaker 1: pomegran onwards. All right, Well, the manifesto does include the
Speaker 1: quote we hold these truths to be self evident that
Speaker 1: we are all part of, not separate from nature. Thus,
Speaker 1: all sex is eco sex. And I get that. I've
Speaker 1: I've kind of set myself in the past like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we talk about what we do is unnatural,
Speaker 1: but we're we're animals kind of everything we do is
Speaker 1: natural in a way.
Speaker 2: I guess. So, yeah, maybe this is the human animal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean birds and beavers tear apart plants to
Speaker 1: build their homes and things. You know, it's not we do.
Speaker 2: There are there are bugs that eat other things from
Speaker 2: the inside out, sometimes to live, so it can be
Speaker 2: a brutal world out there in the animal kingdom, hard past,
Speaker 2: and we are part of the animal kingdom, and I
Speaker 2: think we forget that a lot. So yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: a again. I like a lot of the underlying principles
Speaker 2: of this. I don't think I could fuck a zucchini
Speaker 2: or anything, but like I'm not about to start like
Speaker 2: rubbing up on a tree. But I do love trees.
Speaker 2: I enjoy looking at them, as you know, we've we've
Speaker 2: we have stood an admiration.
Speaker 1: Of a tree in Atlanta. We're surrounded by beautiful trees.
Speaker 1: I like that all sex is eco sex. You might
Speaker 1: you might, uh you've had eco sex, then maybe you
Speaker 1: might be having eco sex right now.
Speaker 2: Reason Well, after the green Wedding to the Earth, Annie
Speaker 2: and Beth had even larger and more theatrical weddings all
Speaker 2: over the world. They were always collaborating with different artists,
Speaker 2: so these are, like you know, often dozens to hundreds
Speaker 2: of people working on these weddings. In the Blue Year,
Speaker 2: they performed a wedding to the Adriatic Sea at the
Speaker 2: Venice Biennial, and then they married the Sky in Oxford, UK.
Speaker 2: In their Purple year, they had a nighttime rave marriage
Speaker 2: to the Moon in l a. Annie and Best both
Speaker 2: dressed like aliens. I think a lot of people did
Speaker 2: sort of like an outer speed alien thing, and it
Speaker 2: looked really fun. I would go to that party. They
Speaker 2: also did a daytime ceremony with the Appalachian Mountains. In
Speaker 2: the White Year, they married the Snow in Ottawa, Canada,
Speaker 2: right after a huge snowstorm. Get line listen, and it
Speaker 2: was in this beautiful like cathedral like church, and so
Speaker 2: it was really pretty. In the Golden Year, they married
Speaker 2: the Sun in San Francisco, and it's like it looks
Speaker 2: like they're at the top of a mountain and its
Speaker 2: sunset and it's all very beautiful. Of course, everyone is
Speaker 2: wearing the colors, you know, of the theme and everything too,
Speaker 2: so everybody's very on theme.
Speaker 1: Can I say I would marry the Sun at sunrise
Speaker 1: because otherwise as soon as you get married, it's gone,
Speaker 1: it's gone. Well, San Francisco, probably sunset because they're in
Speaker 1: the west, so you wouldn't really have a good sunrise,
Speaker 1: but you'd have a great sunset.
Speaker 2: That's probably so. But yeah, well, and then you can
Speaker 2: go right into the wedding night.
Speaker 1: Sure, but where's the groom he disappears.
Speaker 2: I mean he passed out because he got too drunk.
Speaker 2: It's not the first time. Even after there's seven year
Speaker 2: Love Art Lab project ended, the weddings continued. They had
Speaker 2: a punk, rock, all black wedding to coal in Spain,
Speaker 2: in Spain's Coal Country, and they also had a dirty
Speaker 2: wedding to the Soil in Austria, where like literally everybody
Speaker 2: is like rolling around in dirt, they're wearing brown, they
Speaker 2: look like they're rocks through something. It's very crazy, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, in twenty thirteen, Beth Stevens went back to her
Speaker 1: hometown in coal country to make a documentary about mountaintop
Speaker 1: removal in West Virginia. A mountaintop removal or MTR is
Speaker 1: also called mountaintop mining or MTM. You might have heard
Speaker 1: it either ways. And it came about because tunneling underground
Speaker 1: to get to coal seams is dangerous and expensive, and
Speaker 1: people figured, all right, well, instead of going through the mountain,
Speaker 1: why don't we just use explosives to take off whatever
Speaker 1: is on top of the seam and expose the coal.
Speaker 1: Right now, it is a lot safer, but it also destroys,
Speaker 1: you know, a huge amount of habitat for for animals,
Speaker 1: for plants, as well as obviously ruining the mountainous skyline.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants a bunch of flat mountains.
Speaker 2: They're not mountains anymore, they're.
Speaker 1: Buttes, right. Plus, whatever they remove from the top of
Speaker 1: the mountain often exposing four hundred vertical feet, so we're
Speaker 1: talking about like a lot of rock and toxic byproduct
Speaker 1: ends up getting dumped into neighboring valleys or hollers if
Speaker 1: you know anything about most hollers are very important cultural
Speaker 1: systems right.
Speaker 2: Right, well, and people live in them. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not great to dump toxic waste anywhere.
Speaker 1: No, and there these are people who've had these homes
Speaker 1: for you know, hundreds of years. Basically, the documentary itself
Speaker 1: is called Goodbye Gaully Mountain, where Beth shows the struggle
Speaker 1: of a community who who love their natural mountain environment,
Speaker 1: but also they rely on mountaintop removal for the local economy.
Speaker 1: It's kind of trapped between two worlds there. Now. After
Speaker 1: a screen of the film, Beth and Annie married Golly Mountain,
Speaker 1: Beth explained to one interviewer quote eco sexuality inserts an
Speaker 1: erotic humor that plays against the horrific subject matter so far,
Speaker 1: the feedback that I've received at film previews makes me
Speaker 1: realize that these are effective strategies for creating space to
Speaker 1: briefly cut the feeling of despair the MTR evokes.
Speaker 2: This is interesting to me because actually, your mom just
Speaker 2: shared on Facebook this morning an article from I Believe
Speaker 2: Forbes about sol nostalgia, which is the feeling of depression
Speaker 2: and anxiety that comes from knowing that your environment is
Speaker 2: in danger basically, so it was like the kind of
Speaker 2: deep grief that you can feel when a natural landscape
Speaker 2: that you're used to is changing dramatically around you. That
Speaker 2: kind of thing, which is interesting that there's a word
Speaker 2: for it. But also like the fact that they were
Speaker 2: tapping into early on that climate change and global warming,
Speaker 2: you know, environmental disaster, impending doom kind of stuff is
Speaker 2: really depressing. It's very hard to look at it because
Speaker 2: it makes you feel so hopeless and impotent. If the
Speaker 2: world is ending, what are you supposed to do? You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So I think they're kind of
Speaker 2: tapped into that a little early on, and we're now
Speaker 2: just now kind of talking about it a little more.
Speaker 1: Reminds me of on Reddit recently, I read someone talking
Speaker 1: about the concept of sonder. It's sort of the opposite
Speaker 1: of sollipsism, like where you're very internally focused in your
Speaker 1: world is the center of all things, and sounder is
Speaker 1: sort of like, oh, there's storms happening on Venus right now.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a guy in Spain eating a sandwich
Speaker 1: and live in his life. It's this recognition that every
Speaker 1: random person and even places where there are no people,
Speaker 1: are experiencing time passing. Stuff is happening outside of your
Speaker 1: perception of it. Yeah, and I find it both kind
Speaker 1: of overwhelming to think about that because it's huge and
Speaker 1: it makes you feel very It can make you feel
Speaker 1: very insignificant. But someone also pointed out it can have
Speaker 1: the opposite effect, where you feel there's so much existing
Speaker 1: out there in the universe, your existence is very unique
Speaker 1: and special, so it's kind of amazing feel the same time.
Speaker 2: You know who had a butt ton of sonder is
Speaker 2: Kurt Vonnegut. Oh yeah, if you read any of his books,
Speaker 2: he loves to do that where he'll just have someone
Speaker 2: bump into somebody and then he'll tell you who they
Speaker 2: bumped into his whole life yea, Like he'll just kind
Speaker 2: of be like and then eventually they you know, whatever
Speaker 2: happens to them, and they're not important to the story,
Speaker 2: but he just tells you everything about them. And I
Speaker 2: remember reading one of his books and being like, man,
Speaker 2: how many people have I bumped into? And I haven't
Speaker 2: thought about what they did after that? Like they cease
Speaker 2: to exist for me basically, and I cease to exist
Speaker 2: for them. But we both went on to continue to
Speaker 2: do shit, right, Yeah, so that's really crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, A butt ton of Sounder by Kurt Vonnegut.
Speaker 2: He would write, he would write it, and he would
Speaker 2: do this little ass drawing right on top. Well, both
Speaker 2: in Annie's weddings. These eco sex weddings really struck a
Speaker 2: chord with the art world and with a lot of
Speaker 2: people because even after they stopped organizing the weddings themselves,
Speaker 2: they kept getting married. Right before the pandemic, a group
Speaker 2: called Future Farmers organized a wedding for them to marry
Speaker 2: the fog at Uc Santa Cruz and then I bet
Speaker 2: they used a lot of tool you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like something, oh, sure like that. And then in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one and artists married them to the brine shrimp
Speaker 2: of Great Salt Lake in Utah. All told, they've apparently
Speaker 2: performed something like nineteen weddings and nine countries. They've also
Speaker 2: toured two person shows all over the world, and then
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen they were part of a German art
Speaker 2: festival called Documenta fourteen. This is a really interesting arts festival.
Speaker 2: I would love to attend one day in my life
Speaker 2: because it happens every five years and it lasts nine months.
Speaker 2: So the selection process, I think you get like like
Speaker 2: three years to work on your projects and then you
Speaker 2: have a whole nine months to work with with your project.
Speaker 2: So people do various different performances and installations. They can
Speaker 2: do some really large scale stuff at Documenta and Beth
Speaker 2: and Annie were no different. They did a bunch of
Speaker 2: shit document To fourteen. They screened their newest film, which
Speaker 2: is called Water Makes Us Wet. Love it All their
Speaker 2: titles are amazing. They set up a bed in a
Speaker 2: museum lobby where they would cuddle people between them for
Speaker 2: seven minutes, which Annie called quote an anti Trump Wall
Speaker 2: protest of sorts. And they also did an eco sex
Speaker 2: walking tour. The idea of that is just being like
Speaker 2: you would walk around and you'd have your attention called
Speaker 2: to stamens, you know, and like, oh, yes, erotic flower,
Speaker 2: you know, like just look at the look at that flower,
Speaker 2: begging for your attention kind of kind of thing, just
Speaker 2: to call your attention to.
Speaker 1: The next flowers thirsty.
Speaker 2: Oh that flower is for you, baby. But Annie and
Speaker 2: Beth are far from the only ecosexuals out there. We've
Speaker 2: talked about a couple already, but there's several more and
Speaker 2: we will fill you in, fill you up all right
Speaker 2: right after this, welcome back, all right.
Speaker 1: According to The Guardian, right before document, Annie and Beth
Speaker 1: hosted their fourth and largest ecosexual symposium, and this included
Speaker 1: three hundred ecosexuals from all over the world and performances
Speaker 1: that included quote eco sexy Shakespeare from Luke Dixon, the
Speaker 1: founder of Theaterre Nomad in the UK, a demonstration of
Speaker 1: grass Lingus by Annie Sprinkle on the law of you
Speaker 1: see Santa Cruz, and a very eco sexy poem which
Speaker 1: we'll of course read for you right now. So let's
Speaker 1: go down to poetry Corner and.
Speaker 7: Read maybe one of the most poetry corner poems, Dirt,
Speaker 7: which was originally written and performed by the musician Peaches.
Speaker 1: Dirt.
Speaker 2: Dirt Dirty, dirt, dirt. Stay away from the dirt. You'll
Speaker 2: get dirty. It's a mess. Yes, Yes, we want to
Speaker 2: get down and dirty. Hit the dirt, dig in the dirt.
Speaker 7: Dirt is a wonder. Dirt is real, Dirt is precious.
Speaker 7: Dirt gives us breath. Dirt will sustain us. Dirt makes life.
Speaker 7: Dirt is life. We need to be dirty.
Speaker 6: We neeed dirt, break it down, earthworm, break it down,
Speaker 6: break it down, fungy, love me, humble, humous, all hail bacteria,
Speaker 6: the criteria, release the nutrients, release, fertilize us.
Speaker 2: Treat us like dirt. Give us dirt.
Speaker 7: We want to be soiled, richly soiled in sand, silt
Speaker 7: and clay.
Speaker 1: We will lay, We will lay.
Speaker 7: Let's get dirt on our hands. Cover us in dirt,
Speaker 7: make us dirty.
Speaker 1: Dirt is the shit. Dirt is the shit.
Speaker 2: All right, Peaches, that sounds like a Peacha song. I
Speaker 2: would listen to her do it, because you know she
Speaker 2: would do so cootiou oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: It's probably got insane backing tracks.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, insane stuff. Also eco sexy Shakespeare. I
Speaker 2: wish I could find some text for that, but right
Speaker 2: it's nowhere. So Luke Dixon. If you're listening, I want
Speaker 2: to transcri. Is it like two bees or not? Two bees?
Speaker 1: Oh? Two bees?
Speaker 2: Or is it like? Shall I compare thee to a
Speaker 2: summer's day? Thou art more sexy?
Speaker 1: I don't know, uh I just every Shakespeare quote I
Speaker 1: ever learned just vanished from my mind. And I I've
Speaker 1: done three Shakespeare plays in my life. You sure have, yep, nothing.
Speaker 2: The quality of booty is not straight.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 2: It droppeth gentle rain hot like it is hot. It
Speaker 2: droppeth like it is hot. In Interview magazine, Annie Sprinkle
Speaker 2: also mentions a Chinese artist who made like ecosexual art.
Speaker 2: Their name is Xiangbo and they have an ongoing film
Speaker 2: series since twenty sixteen called Terra Doophilia, where he showcases
Speaker 2: a sexual act with a terra do fight or a
Speaker 2: dispersing plants in a forest in Taiwan.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: ARTnews dot Com describes the videos as showing quote close
Speaker 2: up shots of men, some of them BDSM performers stroking
Speaker 2: their penises with ferns, rubbing their nipples against spikey stern,
Speaker 2: rubbing their nipples against spiky stems, or ejaculating onto tendrils
Speaker 2: that then drip with semen. All right, I know. I
Speaker 2: was like, this is not a movie I would spend
Speaker 2: a last time watching, probably myself.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm thinking about the one brief time I tried
Speaker 1: gardening and I pulled some some some of these little
Speaker 1: clover looking plants out of the ground and came back
Speaker 1: and my hand just turned red. They were all it
Speaker 1: was like I was having some kind of reaction. And
Speaker 1: then I was told by our friend Sammy, who's you know,
Speaker 1: professional landscaper gardener. She said, oh, no, one's allergic to those. Oh.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I something happened here, so it's
Speaker 1: just me. So maybe I'm hyper reactive to every thing.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to rub my deck on any ferns.
Speaker 2: I don't want you to rub your deck on any
Speaker 2: ferns either, Babe.
Speaker 1: Done well.
Speaker 2: Zang isn't just making these for your shits and giggles
Speaker 2: or anything. He feels it. By showing queer men having
Speaker 2: relations with ferns, which are kind of common undervalued plants,
Speaker 2: he is quote emphasizing structures of marginalization across species and
Speaker 2: proposes possibilities of intimacy between them. So kind of you know,
Speaker 2: ferns are lesser than our orchids, but who says and why?
Speaker 2: And you know, and so like who is lesser person?
Speaker 2: And who says and why? Okay, And this is kind
Speaker 2: of reminiscent of Annie's work. Annie Sprinkle's work in the
Speaker 2: post porn movements, where she's she was very concerned with
Speaker 2: stereotypes in pornography, representation and porn. That's why she was
Speaker 2: trying to make transgender porn and stuff like that. She
Speaker 2: was kind of and you know, which bodies are allowed
Speaker 2: to be portrayed as sexual bodies? Okay, So I'm sure
Speaker 2: she also was thinking about plus size women and plus
Speaker 2: size men and you know, just what we consider to
Speaker 2: be sexy and sexual and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Xeng has a less graphic, sixteen minute dance video that
Speaker 1: came out in twenty twenty one called Le Sacre de prentopes,
Speaker 1: which means The Right of Spring, where quote naked men
Speaker 1: gyrate passionately against trees in a verdant forest. They writhe
Speaker 1: and moan in ecstasy. At midpoint, the camera turns upside
Speaker 1: down as the men dropped to the ground. What was
Speaker 1: a frenzy dissipates into serenity. As they lie still, their
Speaker 1: bodies melting into the mossy floor. What the artist calls
Speaker 1: an eco sexual courtship. So a little less, you know,
Speaker 1: ejaculating on plants and more just kind of a becoming
Speaker 1: one with the earth and a dance yet.
Speaker 2: More of a dance film than a sex film, I.
Speaker 1: Guess into it. Much like Annie and Beth. Jang sees
Speaker 1: sexuality as this sort of mundane fact of life and nature, right,
Speaker 1: like it just happens, He told Art News. Quote, sex
Speaker 1: is everywhere in nature and interspecies. Sex is not a
Speaker 1: human invention. He pointed to things like orchids that evolved
Speaker 1: to look like bees visually, and that of course tempts
Speaker 1: bees and to coming in and trying to hump a flower,
Speaker 1: and that helps ponate them. Right. So a Sierra Club
Speaker 1: even suggests that our old friend Walt Whitman might have
Speaker 1: been an eco sexual. They quoted this passage in song
Speaker 1: of Myself quote, it is for my mouth forever. I
Speaker 1: am in love with it. I will go to the
Speaker 1: bank by the wood and become undisguised and naked. I
Speaker 1: am mad for it to be in contact with me.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, that does kind of make him sound like
Speaker 2: an ecosexual.
Speaker 1: I certainly would lean more towards that he was a
Speaker 1: poet who was good with metaphor, rather than like him
Speaker 1: literally saying I want to fuck this river, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, several of our subjects have loved some naked sunbathing.
Speaker 2: Harry Crosby, for example, who was married to Caress Crosby,
Speaker 2: who invented the bra than the modern bra, he loved
Speaker 2: to sunbathe naked, and Ben Franklin liked to liked an
Speaker 2: air bath. Sure, so I don't know how much that
Speaker 2: is ecosexuality and how much that was like Ben Franklin
Speaker 2: literally thought there was some medicinal property to it, or
Speaker 2: like people who sun their assholes whatever that's called. People
Speaker 2: do still doing that, I think, And whereas.
Speaker 1: Me like, I want to dress like a Jawa every
Speaker 1: time I go outside, cloak, no sand or sun or
Speaker 1: little gold eyes.
Speaker 2: Golden goggles. I'll help you see in.
Speaker 1: A tub storm, I'm good.
Speaker 2: More recently, Annie was a consultant on the HBO series
Speaker 2: The Deuce. That show. That's the show that shows the
Speaker 2: rise of the sex industry in New York in the
Speaker 2: seventies and eighties, what some people call The Golden Age
Speaker 2: d of Porn. I didn't either. It stars Jane James
Speaker 2: Franco and Maggie Jillen Hall. I know, I was like,
Speaker 2: but Maggie Jillen Hall is great. Annie apparently, I guess,
Speaker 2: was giving her most of the consultation. There was a
Speaker 2: lot about the mindset around sex, sex work and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and so that's that's definitely very interesting, especially
Speaker 2: if you're someone like me, who is who is a
Speaker 2: little bit of a prude. When it comes to my
Speaker 2: own body, I don't care about what anybody else is doing,
Speaker 2: but when it comes to my own body, it's very particular.
Speaker 2: People are allowed to touch and stuff of steam naked
Speaker 2: or something like that. So I think Maggie maybe has
Speaker 2: you know, she was sort of like saying it was
Speaker 2: hard to get into that mindset, and Annie gave her
Speaker 2: for some real help with that or whatever. Beth and
Speaker 2: Annie updated the Eco Sex Manifesto to respond to COVID
Speaker 2: policies like social distancing and masking, and there's even like
Speaker 2: pictures of some eco sexuals wearing masks that have like
Speaker 2: grass sprouting from it, and so you know, they kept
Speaker 2: the they kept the vibes going all right during the pandemic.
Speaker 2: And Annie is also in recovery from both lung cancer
Speaker 2: and breast cancer, which said at least in twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: or twenty twenty when she gave this interview magazine interview.
Speaker 2: She says, she's doing fine now, but of course that
Speaker 2: you know, took them away from art for a minute.
Speaker 2: They had more important things to do. And she also
Speaker 2: thinks that maybe the breast cancer may have been a
Speaker 2: result of some toxic permanent ink that she used in
Speaker 2: the nineties. She used to make these tit prints, she
Speaker 2: called them, and they had like cubists or heart shaped
Speaker 2: or like cone shaped boobs, you know, different with like
Speaker 2: kind of it almost looks like tin types or something
Speaker 2: like that. But anyway, they're fun, and she says, you
Speaker 2: know a lot of artists, you know, they get killed
Speaker 2: by their materials because people use toxic pains, so they
Speaker 2: have films or whatever. And she's like, that's just that's
Speaker 2: part of the life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But she's also trying to get her body of work archived,
Speaker 2: including all her tit prints and all her writing and
Speaker 2: all these amazing photos that she's taken over the years,
Speaker 2: tons of her educational material and stuff, like that, so
Speaker 2: she's working to get that archived, hopefully at Harvard. She
Speaker 2: mentioned in the Interview magazine that their Schlessinger Library has
Speaker 2: a sex worker archive. Oh nice, which I think is
Speaker 2: really cool. So kind of maintaining some of that history, right,
Speaker 2: people who actually lived that history, instead of from the
Speaker 2: perspective of people who are judging it from one way
Speaker 2: or another. Right, So I think that's really cool. Hopefully
Speaker 2: she does get her It seems like she would deserve
Speaker 2: a place in the Schlessinger Library.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, man, good for good for them and still
Speaker 1: at it, which I love too. They must be what
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four, so almost seventy now, yeah, actually she's
Speaker 1: sixty nine.
Speaker 2: Do you know? Nice?
Speaker 1: That's cool? Wow, yeah, I think I mean, what do
Speaker 1: I think? Well? On one hand, I like the sentiment
Speaker 1: that we're all eco sexuals, right because we're all having
Speaker 1: sex with natural living things of the earth. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't need to roll around in the dirt as
Speaker 1: was previous previously explained. I'm good with excluding the elements
Speaker 1: for my life as much as possible. I'm a very
Speaker 1: comfortable indoors. Well, I love the outdoors. I love camping,
Speaker 1: of going out things like that. But but I don't
Speaker 1: like bugs. So that's the main things. I just don't
Speaker 1: like bugs. Keep them off of me. So I do
Speaker 1: like a lot of clothes because they are to be
Speaker 1: in my defense.
Speaker 2: Bugs love me, they do.
Speaker 1: And I've had a long history of like other beings
Speaker 1: being really attracted to me that I'm that I have
Speaker 1: to kind of fend off. It's been sort of the
Speaker 1: story of my life.
Speaker 2: Now, this is actually a good point that you've just
Speaker 2: brought up. Oh yeah, because of all nineteen at the
Speaker 2: weddings that we looked into, not a single one of
Speaker 2: them was to bugs.
Speaker 1: Hell no, why would you marry bugs? Bug?
Speaker 2: They're part of the natural world. Well, you know, if
Speaker 2: there weren't bugs, lots of things wouldn't eat, lots of
Speaker 2: things would not pro create, lots of things would not pollenate.
Speaker 1: That's great, But you know what I want to do.
Speaker 1: I want to hold a mass ceremony of divorce against
Speaker 1: the bugs. I want to kick them out. No longer welcome. Here.
Speaker 1: Take here's a box full of your stuff, Get out
Speaker 1: and don't come back. Restraighting or to file.
Speaker 2: Full of your stuff. Here's the silk from your cobweb.
Speaker 1: You bastard. I love spiders.
Speaker 2: I know spiders are great and not bugs, so technically
Speaker 2: don't eat bugs.
Speaker 1: And that's why spiders are dope. And they're all welcome
Speaker 1: to my house as long as they stay up in
Speaker 1: the corners and inside the walls.
Speaker 2: Supposed to go. But yeah, I just think that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I wonder why, why not if we could get them
Speaker 2: to marry mosquitoes or something that is.
Speaker 1: Less uh, because they said they're trying.
Speaker 2: Pretty and less nice about nature.
Speaker 1: Because they said they're also trying to have fun, true
Speaker 1: and silly, and that's no what he wants. Who would
Speaker 1: come to that wedding, the mosquito marriage, Like what are
Speaker 1: you going to walk out naked into a swamp, like,
Speaker 1: cover yourself in honey and say, have at it, mosquitos,
Speaker 1: let's become one. No, I'm going to end up in
Speaker 1: the hospital.
Speaker 2: Oh well, they can marry bees. Bees are very important.
Speaker 1: Bees are very important, and I think that bees really
Speaker 1: like their space and I don't want to I do
Speaker 1: not want to impose on a bee's space. Okay for
Speaker 1: any stinging insect.
Speaker 2: To say about an animal that lives like really packed
Speaker 2: in with other bees that's why they're.
Speaker 1: Like, we don't need any giant human bodies coming near us.
Speaker 2: True, you take it up a lot of space.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: Would I would go to any of these weddings one
Speaker 2: hundred per I think they're probably really easy to laugh at.
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people are laughing because it's
Speaker 2: very hippie and very art this and that, and you
Speaker 2: know it's it's it is easy to laugh at, for sure.
Speaker 2: Would I like, I really like the vibe of it
Speaker 2: and at ways, and the I like the foundation of it,
Speaker 2: which is we need to find a different way to
Speaker 2: think about the world that makes us respect it more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and cherish it more. Obviously calling it our mother is
Speaker 2: not working, right, We are not taking care of it, yep.
Speaker 2: So we need to think about different language around it
Speaker 2: or different mindset around it. That's that's huge, right, changing mindset,
Speaker 2: that's everything.
Speaker 1: And we talk in the last episode about Sexy Gaya
Speaker 1: from Captain Planet.
Speaker 2: Oh, we sure did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd take her as a lover.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. We recently talked about the perception
Speaker 1: of artistic things like this as being pretentious and serious
Speaker 1: and and I really like something like this that I
Speaker 1: think they want you to laugh. Yeah, right, Like obviously
Speaker 1: it's silly that I'm marrying the sun, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like there's a realness to it, like there's something
Speaker 1: that we want you to take from this. But also
Speaker 1: like if you're taking it so serious layers like this
Speaker 1: is art and but you know, then you're doing it wrong.
Speaker 1: You're kind of the whole point is kind of be
Speaker 1: lighthearted about it. Yeah, have a good time. So I
Speaker 1: imagine there's a lot of silliness and laughing and like,
Speaker 1: look we're doing isn't it Isn't it ridiculous Because ridiculousness
Speaker 1: is also joyful?
Speaker 2: Yes, today, I really think that's so true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do.
Speaker 2: I like that too, joy around loving the environment instead
Speaker 2: of fear and moralistic shaming of others. You know, it's
Speaker 2: more about like we love it out, go out and
Speaker 2: touch grass. It's the touch grass movement basically of like
Speaker 2: stop being inside on your screens, go out, look at
Speaker 2: this miraculous world full of unpredictable surprises and beauty and
Speaker 2: everything I do. I do. I like that.
Speaker 1: I do like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, fucking a vegetable too far from me,
Speaker 2: too far? But you know what, I guess I don't
Speaker 2: care as long as you're not doing it in the
Speaker 2: grocery store in front of me.
Speaker 1: And if you are, just make sure you buy that
Speaker 1: one and don't put it back. I do. I'm really conscious.
Speaker 2: This is another layer that is upsetting.
Speaker 1: No one's fucking them in the grocery store. They are
Speaker 1: purchasing them first. I've been very conscious lately about uh,
Speaker 1: trying not to touch any produce that I'm not that
Speaker 1: I don't put my cart. You know, I really like
Speaker 1: sometimes you really have to pick up an avocado and
Speaker 1: like give it a little grope and stuff, but it's
Speaker 1: you know, like bell peppers. I really try to look
Speaker 1: at it. Which ones looked rubbery. I don't want to
Speaker 1: pick everyone up because you know, hey, everybody else is
Speaker 1: doing that, and b let me just reduce the number
Speaker 1: of hands that went out of this.
Speaker 2: I mean, but you wash the vegetables before you cook them, right, No?
Speaker 1: No, I put them in the cart bare naked. I
Speaker 1: roll them down the conveyor belt at the grocery store
Speaker 1: and then I and I just well, I'll rinse them
Speaker 1: off in a puddle in the parking lot.
Speaker 2: For a home and a stranger sneeze on them.
Speaker 1: I just assume that they have. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: can make more of an effort for that if you want, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: no problem, just to make sure, yeah, I didn't assume. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's the state of artists.
Speaker 2: I will never eat another vegetable in.
Speaker 1: Because I cook and I'm vegetarian.
Speaker 2: We don't need a lot of me. I am screwed.
Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning into my final episode before I
Speaker 2: become closer to the Earth forever. I would love to
Speaker 2: hear what y'all think about eco sex. Definitely, this is
Speaker 2: a different one for us. It's a you know, usually
Speaker 2: our our weird sexualities. They're they're pretty honestly into the
Speaker 2: sex part, really like having sex with the cars or
Speaker 2: marrying the buildings and stuff like. They're very much feeling
Speaker 2: a romantic connection. And I'm not saying they're not, but
Speaker 2: I feel like it's more of a more of a
Speaker 2: political artist.
Speaker 1: Ye. Message driven.
Speaker 2: More message driven is a good way to put it. So,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I think they're very interesting women,
Speaker 2: that's for sure.
Speaker 1: I certainly would not be bored having a conversation with them.
Speaker 2: I don't think you would do it well. We would
Speaker 2: love to hear what you think about ecosexuality, about Annie Sprinkle?
Speaker 2: Have you seen deep inside Annie Sprinkle? You see you know?
Speaker 2: Do you know anything about Beth Stevens, I mean, any
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