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Speaker 1: A production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Stevens was born in nineteen sixty in Montgomery, West Virginia,

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Speaker 1: You know, it's very rude to watch women eating and

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Speaker 2: It's basically beat poetry.

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Speaker 2: Anny then started getting into sex education as well as entertainment.

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Speaker 2: But she's like, I'm just the first body who said it. Yeah, yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Wow, women against Pornography? You get a bucket and a mop.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love it so much. Uh, Annie's

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Speaker 1: All right, gonzo porn more like gonzo journalism, not muppets.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, you know what, there's something everybody with pornography,

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Speaker 2: I yes, she also worked as a prostitute. She got

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Speaker 1: Annie also started doing performance art. Naturally, she needed every

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Speaker 2: Sex magic sounds like a very White song to me,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, baby, ooh, I'm gonna turn you on with

438
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Speaker 2: my six magic.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh.

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Speaker 5: Give it to us, very if it don't work for

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Speaker 5: you to bear that movie tragy, because we was made

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Speaker 5: for a low murderer, were made for to Juny of

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Speaker 5: those books and wed a lowe.

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Speaker 1: Wow, very very.

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Speaker 2: Journy.

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Speaker 1: Other book, Very, how did you get in here?

447
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Speaker 5: You gonna pull a scarf, ride out on my hat

448
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Speaker 5: and then you jump in the box.

449
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: And I was ritual and half straight or blow out

450
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Speaker 2: the back, but out there.

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Speaker 1: Us up. Okay, he tied the magic back in. I

452
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Speaker 1: see that's good.

453
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Speaker 2: Okaye. He's a sex.

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Speaker 1: Magician, sex magician.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's pulling things out of his sack.

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Speaker 1: He's pulling things out of somewhere. All right, Well, thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping by special guest star Very White today's episode.

458
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Speaker 2: I'm doing a real bad job, David.

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Speaker 1: All Right. So Annie also has toured internationally for years

460
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Speaker 1: doing her performance art. She is often presented as a

461
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Speaker 1: visiting artist at universities and colleges all over the US

462
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: and Europe, and her work is also studied in courses

463
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Speaker 1: all over in colleges like women's studies, queer studies, film history,

464
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Speaker 1: human sexuality, courses like that, the history of World War Two. Sure,

465
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: home economics, I'm sure ap calculus. That's high school, but

466
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: you know it's an advanced class.

467
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Speaker 2: So making taught again with Annie Sprinkle, Now that would work,

468
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: I mean maybe it would. Well, that's pretty cool. I

469
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: mean that's cool to first of all, get get get

470
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Speaker 2: a doctorate in human sexuality and then start adding so

471
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Speaker 2: much to the study of human sexuality with your own

472
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: work and your own art and everything.

473
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Speaker 1: I mean, in such a school, no pun intended, untapped field,

474
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Speaker 1: I mean, there is a lot of room for new

475
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Speaker 1: movement and new ideas and stuff. There's barely anybody focused

476
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Speaker 1: and studying it. So you come in and it's kind

477
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Speaker 1: of the you know, it's the world's your playground, right, Yeah,

478
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: you can got to say, no one's it now it's

479
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: up to new scholars to contest what you said. But

480
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Speaker 1: you've got no rules you want.

481
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Speaker 2: I guess that's true. She also was saying, she said

482
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Speaker 2: in some interview that she was like a lot of

483
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: sex workers don't care about the art world, but I

484
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 2: found it to be more free, Like I was able

485
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 2: to be more free with my sexuality and with my

486
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Speaker 2: with my creative expression in the art world than I

487
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: was in the sex world. And I thought that was

488
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Speaker 2: interesting because the art world can be very stuffy, the.

489
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Speaker 1: Art world can be very excluding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was a cool thing to read from.

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Speaker 1: Her, because artists are kind of sometimes artists I have

492
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Speaker 1: found dabbling in the art world ourselves a little bit.

493
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Speaker 1: I sort of feel like if you're not also an artist,

494
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Speaker 1: if you don't speak the language, if you don't understand,

495
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Speaker 1: you're less invited, yeah than us. Yeah, But with sex,

496
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Speaker 1: like everybody is invited, Like you can't exclude like literally everyone,

497
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Speaker 1: almost everybody, everybody, but you know, as a as a

498
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: general rule, most people are involved in sex in some

499
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Speaker 1: way in their lives, if nothing else. It's what brought

500
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Speaker 1: them here.

501
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Speaker 2: So it's hard to exclude very true.

502
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: You know, anyone from that very.

503
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Speaker 2: True, and it's hard to I mean, you can put

504
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Speaker 2: a lot of academic language on the human body and

505
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: stuff like that, but there's still a lot of room

506
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Speaker 2: for a lack of pretension because it is I mean,

507
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Speaker 2: we make funny faces that, we make funny noises, you

508
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's a joyous expression a lot

509
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Speaker 2: of time. So anyway, it's hard to get too stuffy

510
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Speaker 2: about it, right, getting stuffed.

511
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Speaker 1: Don't get stuffy about getting stuffed.

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Speaker 2: Annie Sprinkleway. Well, anyway, maybe it's no surprise to anyone

513
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Speaker 2: that when these two radical queer, sex positive art making

514
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: feminists met each other, they like immediately fell head over

515
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: heels for one another, and they started collaborating together, and

516
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 2: in two thousand and four they committed to seven years

517
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Speaker 2: of art projects about love called the Love Art Laboratory,

518
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Speaker 2: and these projects always included a wedding. Okay, Now, at

519
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: the time, this was really pushing some boundaries because marriage

520
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: equality was a really big issue. Kind of hard to

521
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: remember how crazy this was now and we were there

522
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: for it, you know what I mean. But there was

523
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: such a tug of war going on in the US

524
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Speaker 2: about whether or not same sex marriage was okay. Basically

525
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 2: so over the seven years that these ladies were doing

526
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Speaker 2: these projects, many states would legalize same sex marriage in

527
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Speaker 2: their own state and then have it overturned by a

528
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 2: constitutional amendment, kind of like with California's Prop eight or

529
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Speaker 2: Prop eight as we called it. Between especially twenty four

530
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Speaker 2: and twenty fifteen, people were getting the right to have

531
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Speaker 2: domestic or civil unions instead of marriage. It was just

532
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: like a different word, so stupid, So they were getting

533
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: permission for that, while other states were at the same

534
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: time defining marriage as being between a man and woman,

535
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Speaker 2: no one else can get married. Many places were issuing

536
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Speaker 2: marriage licenses so people would get married, and then they

537
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Speaker 2: would later invalidate the marriage license, so now you're not

538
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Speaker 2: married anymore. Just a really chaotic situation going on for

539
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Speaker 2: many years until finally, finally SCOTUS ruled same sex marriage

540
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Speaker 2: bands unconstitutional in twenty fifteen. Boom, Now we barely remember relish.

541
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Speaker 1: I know, well it's wild and you know, and it's

542
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: not like it's not coming up again because people are

543
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: still real sensitive about it for some reason. And I'm

544
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: sitting here after you know how many years we've been

545
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: doing this show and thinking, y'all, can you can we

546
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: just ignore that. We got people out here trying to

547
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: marry computer programs and buildings and shit and this, and

548
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Speaker 1: you know, personally, I'm like, there's nothing wrong with that,

549
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: but at least can y'all just get away from when

550
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: two humans are marrying each other? Just let it be.

551
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: It's fine, it's.

552
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: Fine, it's great. It's actually real nice, right, it's a

553
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: real nice thing that people do, and to be nice,

554
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, like, what the hell is your problem?

555
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful expression of I'd like to stand by

556
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: your side forever. Holy shit, how beautiful, you know. But

557
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: people were like feeling somehow like their marriage was lessened

558
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: i same sex marriage or something, even though literally it

559
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: was just so they could have legal protections had nothing

560
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: to do with anything sacred. It had something to do

561
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: with whether or not you could leave somebody something when

562
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 2: you died, or if they could have custody of their

563
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: kids together and stuff like that. So it was kind

564
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: of it was just such a stupid temper tantrum that

565
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: lasted literally like eleven years.

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Speaker 1: So Annie and Beth, their actual legal domestic partnership, was

567
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Speaker 1: in San Francisco. This happened alongside thirty three other couples,

568
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Speaker 1: a spectrum of LGBTQ and straight couples as well. Annie

569
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Speaker 1: wore a silver disco dress and a feather trimmed duster,

570
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: and Beth wore a silver tuxedo. And the San Francisco

571
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: Gay Men's Chorus and the Transgender Choir the Believers performed

572
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: at this ceremony. This is when they thought of this

573
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: idea of wedding as a performance art and they started

574
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Speaker 1: the Love Art Laboratory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Beth was saying, you know, it is a lot

576
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: like a play. I think we said the same when

577
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: we had our wedding, because it was very much you

578
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: need a stage manager our day of planner. You have

579
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: to think about the audience, you have to think about

580
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: there's speeches to give monologues basically to prepare. There's cues.

581
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: I mean, everything about it is very performance based. Oh yeah,

582
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: So they were like, hmm.

583
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Speaker 1: The only thing we missed was repelling down from helicopter

584
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: to the beginning of ours. There was a lot well,

585
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: there was a lot more performance. There was an idea

586
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: for our wedding at one point that we were going

587
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: to record a video message from ourselves from the future

588
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: and pop in and say something and we were going

589
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Speaker 1: to have to time it out so that us at

590
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: the altar would have to like speak to them.

591
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: That's right. That's why we didn't do it.

592
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: Like an old talk show bit man, it would have

593
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: been great.

594
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we knew the vows, it will have more

595
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: money and it's going to be amazing.

596
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 1: We'll be in front of four hundred thousand people and

597
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be the new greatest.

598
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: You'll have costume changes, there will be helicopter.

599
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: So it's a wedding performance art idea. And each year

600
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Speaker 1: of the Love Art Laboratory was assigned a color based

601
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: on a chakra and a theme. Right, So everyone is

602
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: welcome to take their vows with these two and apparently

603
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: the ceremony would also always include an objection to the wedding,

604
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: where a friend would get up and read the top

605
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: ten reasons why marriage should be abolished about how it's

606
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: outdated and unequal, you know, just to make sure that

607
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: there is some perspective in the space in the conversation,

608
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Speaker 1: you know.

609
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: Right, Because they were like, you know, we're having fun

610
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: experimenting with the performance of a wedding, the performance of love.

611
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: Who gets to get married in the country and stuff

612
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: like that. But of course lots of people find marriage

613
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: to be a very outdated institution that does nothing for anybody.

614
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: So they were like, why not, It's just inclusivity, you know,

615
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: like your perspective is part of this too, but we're

616
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Speaker 1: also going to do it.

617
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: But we're going.

618
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: Going to so we kind of felt, you know, it's

619
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Speaker 1: like there's a real silliness to the idea of marriage,

620
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: the institution of marriage and the history we have marriage,

621
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: and also like we want to do that our own way.

622
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was just there's something nice about

623
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: having a party where everybody gets to come together and

624
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: be excited that you found each other.

625
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

626
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: That, and then there's something lovely too, at least for us,

627
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: since we liked each other's families. I guess I don't

628
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: know about others, but there's something too about that feeling of, oh,

629
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: you're part of my family now, so you need to

630
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: meet everybody, or you're all mixed together. I need to

631
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: meet your family. We're all one family, so it's important

632
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 2: for us to you know, share this space, break bread together,

633
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Say the magic words the

634
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: incantation right that creates a valve which which is real.

635
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: I think there is something magical about your promises.

636
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I think so. And then the cool

637
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: trip afterwards, and then of course shout out to the sologamists,

638
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: who I think deserve that party too, whether if you're

639
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: going to you know, just marry yourself or whatever.

640
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: Find your true love in your own mirror if you

641
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: need to so. According to CNN, the first love art

642
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: laboratory wedding was in two thousand and four. It was

643
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: the Red Year, featuring quote a series of public cuddling

644
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: performances and hours long kissing sessions. They hosted sidewalk sex clinics,

645
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: and they held their red wedding at a former burlesque club.

646
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: Just a quick note, very different red wedding from the

647
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: game of their own's red wedding. Yeah, a lot of

648
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: these terms mean a lot of different things. Now, No,

649
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: back to CNN quote. In the Orange Year, they married

650
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: their community and guests came dressed as orange juicers and carrots.

651
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: All right, But it was Annie and Beth's fourth Green

652
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: wedding when they came out to the world as eco

653
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: sexuals and they started incorporating the environment more into not

654
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: only their artwork but into their love lives, and we

655
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Speaker 2: will tell you all about that right after this quick break.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody.

657
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: So the Green Wedding to the Earth took place in

658
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: the woods, obviously where else. It had more than one

659
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty collaborators and four hundred guests, and they

660
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: were all given bags of soil to breathe from deeply

661
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: during the ceremony.

662
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, all I could picture somebody breathing deeply and oh.

663
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely everywhere I need a breathe dirt.

664
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: I guess I'm still on my mister bean tip, but

665
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: that's what I see if my head.

666
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: During this, a soprano did an operatic strip tease. Some

667
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: guy got drenched in green paint and wrapped up in

668
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: a sheet, and a girl with a snake around her

669
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: neck read poetry. There was a floutist. Someone got spanked

670
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: with a bouquet of flowers, all very exciting, sort of

671
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: earthy kind of stuff. You can watch a compilation of

672
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: all these eco weddings on their website, which is Sprinkle

673
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: Stevens dot UCSC dot edu if you're interested, and if

674
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: you never thought you'd see an edu website where you

675
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: get to watch someone get spanked flowers or whatever. Well,

676
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: now you can.

677
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: It's quite quite interesting. You should check it out.

678
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: And what would you call it safe for work? Actually, yeah, yeah.

679
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: It's not pornographic at all. It's really not like that.

680
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: I hope the guy got drenched in green paint. It

681
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: was like an ecologically sound green paint, you know, you

682
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: know a paint.

683
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: Great question, it's everytirement latex paint right now.

684
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: Or who knows well? Who knows, not us. That's not

685
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 1: what we're here for, not us information. Okay. So Annie

686
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: and Beth then dressed all in green with big feathers

687
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: and flowers, and anyone else at the wedding who cared

688
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: to would repeat the vows to take the Earth as

689
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: their lover, and they took the Eco sex pledge, which

690
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: is quote, I promise to love, honor, and cherish you

691
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: Earth until death brings us closer together forever, which does

692
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: make Earth kind of pretty great partner. Do you know

693
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: human's gonna shove off eventually?

694
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: They they that's true. Eventually the Earth will reclaim you.

695
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: I suppose all of us.

696
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: There's a whole Eco sex manifesto, and this is just

697
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: the pledge. At the end, the.

698
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: Earth will reclaim all of us except for me, who,

699
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: as you know, my plans, Diana Postport is to be

700
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: frozen and shot into space so the aliens can find

701
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: me and either reanimate me or you know, learn about

702
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: humans and come here and you know, do their thing.

703
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: Whatever that is. I assume it.

704
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: Whatever it is.

705
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: My assumptions of aliens is that they would do good.

706
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: Well, that's nice, that's nice. I will have to ask

707
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: our friends bleed.

708
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: Blop, you know, they do need to make an appearance.

709
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: But I'm listening. I don't hear them coming now, So

710
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: maybe next episodion. We've been going for a while. They

711
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: clearly know that we don't have time.

712
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: I know we don't have time for that, but right now,

713
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: So what is eco sexuality?

714
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, the subject of the episode.

715
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: We should finally get to that, because partly for Annie

716
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: and Beth, it's kind of a way to make environmental

717
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 2: activism a little more fun.

718
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: Okay.

719
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: They feel like it's usually pretty stuffy and moralistic and

720
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: very like you know, oh, shame, shame, shame, right whoa

721
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: and fear you know around it, and there should be

722
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: a healthy amount of fear around that sort of thing.

723
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: But they call it like al gore stuff, the alfect

724
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: or something.

725
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: Don't get me started. I honestly like an Inconvenient Truth.

726
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: There's the lamest title for a movie that everyone should

727
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: be paying attention to. Like, by the time you finish

728
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: the word inconvenient, I'm asleep. I don't care, and I

729
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: don't need what. I don't know what this movie's about.

730
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like it's for me. It doesn't sound

731
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: interesting or important or an truth. Okay, right, take up everybody.

732
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: The Earth is dying right e.

733
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: Xach was kind of a horrible death knell that you're

734
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: sounding with a very boring bell. But anyway, so they

735
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: kind of were like, you know, this way we can

736
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: bring a little humor, a little absurdism into the environmental

737
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: move make it a little more accessible and fun. But

738
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: mostly the idea is about changing our mindset. They kind

739
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: of feel like, since we see Earth as a mother,

740
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: we maybe take it for granted, like we might do

741
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: with our own mother. We expect it to take care

742
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: of us and need nothing in return, sort of unconditional

743
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, I can take my laundry to her and

744
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: she'll clean it, but I can forget her birthday and

745
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: she'll forgive me wow. Kind of kind of relationship. But

746
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: they say a lover is a partner, and they require respect,

747
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: they require give and take, they require love and care,

748
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: and if you don't, they will leave you. They won't

749
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: just keep loving you forever. So Annie Sprinkle told teen

750
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: Vogue that by making Earth your lover, it's quote putting

751
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: the responsibility on you to uphold your side of the relationship.

752
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: It's revolutionary. I kind of like it, to be honest.

753
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I really like that. It makes me think

754
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: that maybe people should start treating their mothers a little well,

755
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: and maybe not you know, their lovers, but certainly like

756
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: a partner.

757
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think more how you treat them when

758
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: you're When you're grown, you know, you start to understand

759
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: what it takes to be a mom, whether you have

760
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: kids or not. You're kind of like, wow, it turns

761
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: out that was really a really crazy thing somebody did

762
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: for me.

763
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: I do try to pop into my parents now and

764
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: then and say, ah, wow, you know, you know, thanks,

765
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: because you don't recognize what they're doing when you're a kid,

766
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: not right, because of course they are. Somebody's gonna put

767
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: food in front of you, and somebody's gonna you know,

768
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: make sure you get to school on time and become

769
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: a decent person hopefully hopefully, and uh you know, and

770
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: then you're grown up and you're like, we who have

771
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: no children, I'm like, how the hell, oh my god,

772
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: I have the time and energy to devote to making

773
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: sure a person okay, becomes not the worst person right now?

774
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: I don't. I do not have no the focus for that,

775
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: let alone anything else.

776
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: Or sometimes, like you know, my cousin who's like eleven,

777
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: will ask me a question about something, I'm like, how

778
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: the hell could I answer this without a making you

779
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: very cynical or or I don't know, just well, kid,

780
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: I know I tell you something about life. Well, I'm like,

781
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: sometimes you just want the kid to vent, right, You're like, ah, man,

782
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: that sucks whatever. And then other times you're like should

783
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: I be giving advice? You'd be like, people, don't think

784
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: about it this way, think about it this way, or

785
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: like what about what about that bully maybe is going

786
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: on at home? And we want to be compassionate, you

787
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: know whatever. It's just hard to figure out which way

788
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: to go and how to again just how to mold

789
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: a person, I guess. And then sometimes you're tired and

790
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: you're like, I don't care about your weird thing at school.

791
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: You won't care about this you're eleven, Like you're gonna

792
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: forget about this by the time you're in call. But

793
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: at the time when you're eleven feels huge. I remember

794
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: that being eleven and something feeling like it's going to

795
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: last forever and it's not going to ever be any

796
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: different than this, and I'm very scared and I'm very

797
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: afraid of how it's going to turn out. Anyway, Well,

798
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 2: parenting is hard.

799
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: What take if your parents or your mentors or whoever

800
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: you owe that to is out there and you're close

801
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: to them, you know, say hey, say what's up?

802
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: Say hey, thanks a lot, yeah, you.

803
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, minor listening, so I don't have to, or

804
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: at least my mom is she'll tell my dad.

805
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 2: She'll say, by the way Eli's things, Eli.

806
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: He cares, we'll see them on linesday, We're going to

807
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: a movie.

808
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: By the way Elisa's things anyway. So basically, yes, they're like,

809
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: you take your parents for granted, but it's harder to

810
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: take your lovers for granted. We should see the earth

811
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: more as a partner in life, and that we need

812
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: to cherish and let them know how much we appreciate

813
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: them and all that stuff, or they're going to leave

814
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: us high and dry. And the eco Sexual Manifesto includes

815
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: conservation principles like buying less and then only buying local,

816
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: organic and sustainable products, as well as working towards world

817
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: peace because, as the manifesto says, quote, bombs hurt. Oh

818
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: and that's true, right, yeah, I scar the earth as

819
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: well as.

820
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: People right now. Ecosexuality is a sexual identity, but it

821
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be your main sexual identity. And how

822
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: far you take it if you are an ecosexual is

823
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: totally up to you. Vice News spoke to Amanda Morgan,

824
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: who's an ecosexual and she's faculty at the UNLV School

825
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: of Community Health Sciences. She told WECE that it's it's

826
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: kind of like the Kinsey scale, right. Some ecosexuals they

827
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: keep it real simple. They're just like, I just get

828
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: a sustainable, environmentally sound sex toys, right, This was not

829
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: this is not covered in blood, diamonds and the skin

830
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: of an endangered creature.

831
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: I want to look made sure, although I don't know

832
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: what that does for the bees actually probably not not

833
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: eco sexual approved bees and a gorge.

834
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: But other people also keep it kind of simple. They

835
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: might enjoy skinny dipping or naked sunbathings. They're just kind

836
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: of feeling the elements on them. Now. On the other

837
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: end of the scale, of course, is the people we

838
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: all think of when we hear the word ecosexual.

839
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 6: Right.

840
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: She says that there's people who quote roll around in

841
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: the dirt having an orgasm covered in potting soil. They

842
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: are people who fuck trees or masturbate under a waterfall.

843
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: Oh right, they fuck trees.

844
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll just leave that to your imaginations. These people

845
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: might also have sex with vegetables like our friends. And

846
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: for the last episode in Fuck for Forest and I

847
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: was going to ask you what you think is the

848
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: sexiest vegetable.

849
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: I don't find the vegetables very sexual.

850
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't mean, what vegetable are you sexually attracted to?

851
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: But like, you know, if you were going to cast

852
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: a vegetable in a leading role in a movie, right,

853
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: they're just like, that's one sexy vegetable? Can you do

854
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: you have.

855
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: One's funny is that I think melons and cucumbers, the

856
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: zucchini have been common, right, the ones that you usually

857
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: but thanks to emojis, it's now peaches and eggplants.

858
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: Oh sure, so I don't know. Yeah, boobs emoji? Is

859
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: there peaches butts? Right?

860
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: Peaches, melons, melons or boobs?

861
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: Right? We don't. I don't think there's a two melons emoji.

862
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: There should be a bundle of melons.

863
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: Wonder what the boob emoji is?

864
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: Well, regardless of emoji.

865
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a blue footed booby emoji and they just

866
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 2: say show me your boob.

867
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: Oh, show me your boobies. Yeah, I hope.

868
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: So I don't think we got that to the emoji makers.

869
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: Make a blue footed booby emoji, and I promise it

870
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: will get some use.

871
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: I will say there was a at the grocery store

872
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 1: the other day we got back from our trip, hadn't

873
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: cooked a home cooked meal in a while, really wanted

874
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: a salad. Yeah, And I went and got a cucumber.

875
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: And if I may say, this particular batch of cucumbers

876
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: were not only huge, but cooler. Straight. No, no, they

877
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: were just the straightest cucumbers I've ever seen.

878
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: So you could really do something with that.

879
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: I guess. So there was. I picked one up and

880
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: a part of me was like, what what cucumbers make

881
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: me think? Some kinds of things I'm not comfortable with.

882
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: I don't appreciate the thoughts this cucumber may have Kroger.

883
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: Anyway, the answer is pomegranate, which is I guess, a fruit,

884
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: not a vegetable.

885
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: Well, there you go. That's why I didn't say it.

886
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's a very uh that that goes back in

887
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: art history. The pomegranate was all about fertility and sex.

888
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: Sure I lost seeds.

889
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, so gross. Now I don't like the

890
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: pomegran onwards. All right, Well, the manifesto does include the

891
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: quote we hold these truths to be self evident that

892
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: we are all part of, not separate from nature. Thus,

893
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: all sex is eco sex. And I get that. I've

894
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: I've kind of set myself in the past like, well,

895
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, we talk about what we do is unnatural,

896
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: but we're we're animals kind of everything we do is

897
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: natural in a way.

898
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: I guess. So, yeah, maybe this is the human animal.

899
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean birds and beavers tear apart plants to

900
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: build their homes and things. You know, it's not we do.

901
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: There are there are bugs that eat other things from

902
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: the inside out, sometimes to live, so it can be

903
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: a brutal world out there in the animal kingdom, hard past,

904
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: and we are part of the animal kingdom, and I

905
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: think we forget that a lot. So yeah, it's it's

906
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: a again. I like a lot of the underlying principles

907
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: of this. I don't think I could fuck a zucchini

908
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: or anything, but like I'm not about to start like

909
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: rubbing up on a tree. But I do love trees.

910
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: I enjoy looking at them, as you know, we've we've

911
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: we have stood an admiration.

912
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: Of a tree in Atlanta. We're surrounded by beautiful trees.

913
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: I like that all sex is eco sex. You might

914
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: you might, uh you've had eco sex, then maybe you

915
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: might be having eco sex right now.

916
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 2: Reason Well, after the green Wedding to the Earth, Annie

917
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 2: and Beth had even larger and more theatrical weddings all

918
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: over the world. They were always collaborating with different artists,

919
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: so these are, like you know, often dozens to hundreds

920
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 2: of people working on these weddings. In the Blue Year,

921
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: they performed a wedding to the Adriatic Sea at the

922
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: Venice Biennial, and then they married the Sky in Oxford, UK.

923
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: In their Purple year, they had a nighttime rave marriage

924
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: to the Moon in l a. Annie and Best both

925
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: dressed like aliens. I think a lot of people did

926
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: sort of like an outer speed alien thing, and it

927
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: looked really fun. I would go to that party. They

928
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: also did a daytime ceremony with the Appalachian Mountains. In

929
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: the White Year, they married the Snow in Ottawa, Canada,

930
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: right after a huge snowstorm. Get line listen, and it

931
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: was in this beautiful like cathedral like church, and so

932
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: it was really pretty. In the Golden Year, they married

933
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: the Sun in San Francisco, and it's like it looks

934
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: like they're at the top of a mountain and its

935
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: sunset and it's all very beautiful. Of course, everyone is

936
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: wearing the colors, you know, of the theme and everything too,

937
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: so everybody's very on theme.

938
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: Can I say I would marry the Sun at sunrise

939
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: because otherwise as soon as you get married, it's gone,

940
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: it's gone. Well, San Francisco, probably sunset because they're in

941
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: the west, so you wouldn't really have a good sunrise,

942
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: but you'd have a great sunset.

943
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: That's probably so. But yeah, well, and then you can

944
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 2: go right into the wedding night.

945
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: Sure, but where's the groom he disappears.

946
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: I mean he passed out because he got too drunk.

947
00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: It's not the first time. Even after there's seven year

948
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: Love Art Lab project ended, the weddings continued. They had

949
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 2: a punk, rock, all black wedding to coal in Spain,

950
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: in Spain's Coal Country, and they also had a dirty

951
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: wedding to the Soil in Austria, where like literally everybody

952
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: is like rolling around in dirt, they're wearing brown, they

953
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: look like they're rocks through something. It's very crazy, all right.

954
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: Well, in twenty thirteen, Beth Stevens went back to her

955
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: hometown in coal country to make a documentary about mountaintop

956
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: removal in West Virginia. A mountaintop removal or MTR is

957
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: also called mountaintop mining or MTM. You might have heard

958
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: it either ways. And it came about because tunneling underground

959
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: to get to coal seams is dangerous and expensive, and

960
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: people figured, all right, well, instead of going through the mountain,

961
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: why don't we just use explosives to take off whatever

962
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: is on top of the seam and expose the coal.

963
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: Right now, it is a lot safer, but it also destroys,

964
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, a huge amount of habitat for for animals,

965
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: for plants, as well as obviously ruining the mountainous skyline.

966
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: Nobody wants a bunch of flat mountains.

967
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: They're not mountains anymore, they're.

968
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: Buttes, right. Plus, whatever they remove from the top of

969
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: the mountain often exposing four hundred vertical feet, so we're

970
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: talking about like a lot of rock and toxic byproduct

971
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: ends up getting dumped into neighboring valleys or hollers if

972
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: you know anything about most hollers are very important cultural

973
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: systems right.

974
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: Right, well, and people live in them. You know, it's

975
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 2: not great to dump toxic waste anywhere.

976
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: No, and there these are people who've had these homes

977
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: for you know, hundreds of years. Basically, the documentary itself

978
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: is called Goodbye Gaully Mountain, where Beth shows the struggle

979
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: of a community who who love their natural mountain environment,

980
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: but also they rely on mountaintop removal for the local economy.

981
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of trapped between two worlds there. Now. After

982
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 1: a screen of the film, Beth and Annie married Golly Mountain,

983
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: Beth explained to one interviewer quote eco sexuality inserts an

984
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: erotic humor that plays against the horrific subject matter so far,

985
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: the feedback that I've received at film previews makes me

986
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: realize that these are effective strategies for creating space to

987
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: briefly cut the feeling of despair the MTR evokes.

988
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 2: This is interesting to me because actually, your mom just

989
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: shared on Facebook this morning an article from I Believe

990
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: Forbes about sol nostalgia, which is the feeling of depression

991
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 2: and anxiety that comes from knowing that your environment is

992
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: in danger basically, so it was like the kind of

993
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 2: deep grief that you can feel when a natural landscape

994
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: that you're used to is changing dramatically around you. That

995
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 2: kind of thing, which is interesting that there's a word

996
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 2: for it. But also like the fact that they were

997
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: tapping into early on that climate change and global warming,

998
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: you know, environmental disaster, impending doom kind of stuff is

999
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 2: really depressing. It's very hard to look at it because

1000
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 2: it makes you feel so hopeless and impotent. If the

1001
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: world is ending, what are you supposed to do? You

1002
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So I think they're kind of

1003
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: tapped into that a little early on, and we're now

1004
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: just now kind of talking about it a little more.

1005
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: Reminds me of on Reddit recently, I read someone talking

1006
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: about the concept of sonder. It's sort of the opposite

1007
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: of sollipsism, like where you're very internally focused in your

1008
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: world is the center of all things, and sounder is

1009
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 1: sort of like, oh, there's storms happening on Venus right now.

1010
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: You know, there's a guy in Spain eating a sandwich

1011
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: and live in his life. It's this recognition that every

1012
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: random person and even places where there are no people,

1013
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: are experiencing time passing. Stuff is happening outside of your

1014
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: perception of it. Yeah, and I find it both kind

1015
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: of overwhelming to think about that because it's huge and

1016
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: it makes you feel very It can make you feel

1017
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: very insignificant. But someone also pointed out it can have

1018
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: the opposite effect, where you feel there's so much existing

1019
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 1: out there in the universe, your existence is very unique

1020
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: and special, so it's kind of amazing feel the same time.

1021
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 2: You know who had a butt ton of sonder is

1022
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: Kurt Vonnegut. Oh yeah, if you read any of his books,

1023
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 2: he loves to do that where he'll just have someone

1024
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: bump into somebody and then he'll tell you who they

1025
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: bumped into his whole life yea, Like he'll just kind

1026
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: of be like and then eventually they you know, whatever

1027
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: happens to them, and they're not important to the story,

1028
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: but he just tells you everything about them. And I

1029
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: remember reading one of his books and being like, man,

1030
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 2: how many people have I bumped into? And I haven't

1031
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: thought about what they did after that? Like they cease

1032
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: to exist for me basically, and I cease to exist

1033
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: for them. But we both went on to continue to

1034
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: do shit, right, Yeah, so that's really crazy.

1035
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, A butt ton of Sounder by Kurt Vonnegut.

1036
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: He would write, he would write it, and he would

1037
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 2: do this little ass drawing right on top. Well, both

1038
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: in Annie's weddings. These eco sex weddings really struck a

1039
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: chord with the art world and with a lot of

1040
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: people because even after they stopped organizing the weddings themselves,

1041
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: they kept getting married. Right before the pandemic, a group

1042
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 2: called Future Farmers organized a wedding for them to marry

1043
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: the fog at Uc Santa Cruz and then I bet

1044
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: they used a lot of tool you know what I mean,

1045
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: like something, oh, sure like that. And then in twenty

1046
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: twenty one and artists married them to the brine shrimp

1047
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: of Great Salt Lake in Utah. All told, they've apparently

1048
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: performed something like nineteen weddings and nine countries. They've also

1049
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: toured two person shows all over the world, and then

1050
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen they were part of a German art

1051
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: festival called Documenta fourteen. This is a really interesting arts festival.

1052
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 2: I would love to attend one day in my life

1053
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: because it happens every five years and it lasts nine months.

1054
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: So the selection process, I think you get like like

1055
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: three years to work on your projects and then you

1056
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: have a whole nine months to work with with your project.

1057
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: So people do various different performances and installations. They can

1058
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: do some really large scale stuff at Documenta and Beth

1059
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: and Annie were no different. They did a bunch of

1060
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 2: shit document To fourteen. They screened their newest film, which

1061
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: is called Water Makes Us Wet. Love it All their

1062
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: titles are amazing. They set up a bed in a

1063
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: museum lobby where they would cuddle people between them for

1064
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: seven minutes, which Annie called quote an anti Trump Wall

1065
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: protest of sorts. And they also did an eco sex

1066
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: walking tour. The idea of that is just being like

1067
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: you would walk around and you'd have your attention called

1068
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: to stamens, you know, and like, oh, yes, erotic flower,

1069
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: you know, like just look at the look at that flower,

1070
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: begging for your attention kind of kind of thing, just

1071
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: to call your attention to.

1072
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: The next flowers thirsty.

1073
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: Oh that flower is for you, baby. But Annie and

1074
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 2: Beth are far from the only ecosexuals out there. We've

1075
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 2: talked about a couple already, but there's several more and

1076
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: we will fill you in, fill you up all right

1077
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: right after this, welcome back, all right.

1078
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: According to The Guardian, right before document, Annie and Beth

1079
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: hosted their fourth and largest ecosexual symposium, and this included

1080
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: three hundred ecosexuals from all over the world and performances

1081
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: that included quote eco sexy Shakespeare from Luke Dixon, the

1082
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: founder of Theaterre Nomad in the UK, a demonstration of

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Speaker 1: grass Lingus by Annie Sprinkle on the law of you

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Speaker 1: see Santa Cruz, and a very eco sexy poem which

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Speaker 1: we'll of course read for you right now. So let's

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Speaker 1: go down to poetry Corner and.

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Speaker 7: Read maybe one of the most poetry corner poems, Dirt,

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Speaker 7: which was originally written and performed by the musician Peaches.

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Speaker 1: Dirt.

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Speaker 2: Dirt Dirty, dirt, dirt. Stay away from the dirt. You'll

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Speaker 2: get dirty. It's a mess. Yes, Yes, we want to

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Speaker 2: get down and dirty. Hit the dirt, dig in the dirt.

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Speaker 7: Dirt is a wonder. Dirt is real, Dirt is precious.

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Speaker 7: Dirt gives us breath. Dirt will sustain us. Dirt makes life.

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Speaker 7: Dirt is life. We need to be dirty.

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Speaker 6: We neeed dirt, break it down, earthworm, break it down,

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Speaker 6: break it down, fungy, love me, humble, humous, all hail bacteria,

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Speaker 6: the criteria, release the nutrients, release, fertilize us.

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Speaker 2: Treat us like dirt. Give us dirt.

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Speaker 7: We want to be soiled, richly soiled in sand, silt

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Speaker 7: and clay.

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Speaker 1: We will lay, We will lay.

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Speaker 7: Let's get dirt on our hands. Cover us in dirt,

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Speaker 7: make us dirty.

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Speaker 1: Dirt is the shit. Dirt is the shit.

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Speaker 2: All right, Peaches, that sounds like a Peacha song. I

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Speaker 2: would listen to her do it, because you know she

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Speaker 2: would do so cootiou oh yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's probably got insane backing tracks.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, insane stuff. Also eco sexy Shakespeare. I

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Speaker 2: wish I could find some text for that, but right

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Speaker 2: it's nowhere. So Luke Dixon. If you're listening, I want

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Speaker 2: to transcri. Is it like two bees or not? Two bees?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Two bees?

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Speaker 2: Or is it like? Shall I compare thee to a

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Speaker 2: summer's day? Thou art more sexy?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, uh I just every Shakespeare quote I

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Speaker 1: ever learned just vanished from my mind. And I I've

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Speaker 1: done three Shakespeare plays in my life. You sure have, yep, nothing.

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Speaker 2: The quality of booty is not straight.

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Speaker 1: There we go.

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Speaker 2: It droppeth gentle rain hot like it is hot. It

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Speaker 2: droppeth like it is hot. In Interview magazine, Annie Sprinkle

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Speaker 2: also mentions a Chinese artist who made like ecosexual art.

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Speaker 2: Their name is Xiangbo and they have an ongoing film

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Speaker 2: series since twenty sixteen called Terra Doophilia, where he showcases

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Speaker 2: a sexual act with a terra do fight or a

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Speaker 2: dispersing plants in a forest in Taiwan.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: ARTnews dot Com describes the videos as showing quote close

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Speaker 2: up shots of men, some of them BDSM performers stroking

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Speaker 2: their penises with ferns, rubbing their nipples against spikey stern,

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Speaker 2: rubbing their nipples against spiky stems, or ejaculating onto tendrils

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Speaker 2: that then drip with semen. All right, I know. I

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Speaker 2: was like, this is not a movie I would spend

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Speaker 2: a last time watching, probably myself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm thinking about the one brief time I tried

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Speaker 1: gardening and I pulled some some some of these little

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Speaker 1: clover looking plants out of the ground and came back

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Speaker 1: and my hand just turned red. They were all it

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Speaker 1: was like I was having some kind of reaction. And

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Speaker 1: then I was told by our friend Sammy, who's you know,

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Speaker 1: professional landscaper gardener. She said, oh, no, one's allergic to those. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, I something happened here, so it's

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Speaker 1: just me. So maybe I'm hyper reactive to every thing.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to rub my deck on any ferns.

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Speaker 2: I don't want you to rub your deck on any

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Speaker 2: ferns either, Babe.

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Speaker 1: Done well.

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Speaker 2: Zang isn't just making these for your shits and giggles

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Speaker 2: or anything. He feels it. By showing queer men having

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Speaker 2: relations with ferns, which are kind of common undervalued plants,

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Speaker 2: he is quote emphasizing structures of marginalization across species and

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Speaker 2: proposes possibilities of intimacy between them. So kind of you know,

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Speaker 2: ferns are lesser than our orchids, but who says and why?

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Speaker 2: And you know, and so like who is lesser person?

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Speaker 2: And who says and why? Okay, And this is kind

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Speaker 2: of reminiscent of Annie's work. Annie Sprinkle's work in the

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Speaker 2: post porn movements, where she's she was very concerned with

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Speaker 2: stereotypes in pornography, representation and porn. That's why she was

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Speaker 2: trying to make transgender porn and stuff like that. She

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Speaker 2: was kind of and you know, which bodies are allowed

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Speaker 2: to be portrayed as sexual bodies? Okay, So I'm sure

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Speaker 2: she also was thinking about plus size women and plus

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Speaker 2: size men and you know, just what we consider to

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Speaker 2: be sexy and sexual and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Xeng has a less graphic, sixteen minute dance video that

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Speaker 1: came out in twenty twenty one called Le Sacre de prentopes,

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Speaker 1: which means The Right of Spring, where quote naked men

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Speaker 1: gyrate passionately against trees in a verdant forest. They writhe

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Speaker 1: and moan in ecstasy. At midpoint, the camera turns upside

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Speaker 1: down as the men dropped to the ground. What was

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Speaker 1: a frenzy dissipates into serenity. As they lie still, their

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Speaker 1: bodies melting into the mossy floor. What the artist calls

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Speaker 1: an eco sexual courtship. So a little less, you know,

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Speaker 1: ejaculating on plants and more just kind of a becoming

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Speaker 1: one with the earth and a dance yet.

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Speaker 2: More of a dance film than a sex film, I.

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Speaker 1: Guess into it. Much like Annie and Beth. Jang sees

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Speaker 1: sexuality as this sort of mundane fact of life and nature, right,

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Speaker 1: like it just happens, He told Art News. Quote, sex

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Speaker 1: is everywhere in nature and interspecies. Sex is not a

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Speaker 1: human invention. He pointed to things like orchids that evolved

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Speaker 1: to look like bees visually, and that of course tempts

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Speaker 1: bees and to coming in and trying to hump a flower,

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Speaker 1: and that helps ponate them. Right. So a Sierra Club

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Speaker 1: even suggests that our old friend Walt Whitman might have

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Speaker 1: been an eco sexual. They quoted this passage in song

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Speaker 1: of Myself quote, it is for my mouth forever. I

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Speaker 1: am in love with it. I will go to the

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Speaker 1: bank by the wood and become undisguised and naked. I

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Speaker 1: am mad for it to be in contact with me.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, that does kind of make him sound like

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Speaker 2: an ecosexual.

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Speaker 1: I certainly would lean more towards that he was a

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Speaker 1: poet who was good with metaphor, rather than like him

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Speaker 1: literally saying I want to fuck this river, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Well, several of our subjects have loved some naked sunbathing.

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Speaker 2: Harry Crosby, for example, who was married to Caress Crosby,

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Speaker 2: who invented the bra than the modern bra, he loved

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Speaker 2: to sunbathe naked, and Ben Franklin liked to liked an

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Speaker 2: air bath. Sure, so I don't know how much that

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Speaker 2: is ecosexuality and how much that was like Ben Franklin

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Speaker 2: literally thought there was some medicinal property to it, or

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Speaker 2: like people who sun their assholes whatever that's called. People

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Speaker 2: do still doing that, I think, And whereas.

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Speaker 1: Me like, I want to dress like a Jawa every

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Speaker 1: time I go outside, cloak, no sand or sun or

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Speaker 1: little gold eyes.

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Speaker 2: Golden goggles. I'll help you see in.

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Speaker 1: A tub storm, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: More recently, Annie was a consultant on the HBO series

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Speaker 2: The Deuce. That show. That's the show that shows the

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Speaker 2: rise of the sex industry in New York in the

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Speaker 2: seventies and eighties, what some people call The Golden Age

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Speaker 2: d of Porn. I didn't either. It stars Jane James

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Speaker 2: Franco and Maggie Jillen Hall. I know, I was like,

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Speaker 2: but Maggie Jillen Hall is great. Annie apparently, I guess,

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Speaker 2: was giving her most of the consultation. There was a

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Speaker 2: lot about the mindset around sex, sex work and stuff

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Speaker 2: like that, and so that's that's definitely very interesting, especially

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Speaker 2: if you're someone like me, who is who is a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a prude. When it comes to my

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Speaker 2: own body, I don't care about what anybody else is doing,

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Speaker 2: but when it comes to my own body, it's very particular.

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Speaker 2: People are allowed to touch and stuff of steam naked

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Speaker 2: or something like that. So I think Maggie maybe has

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Speaker 2: you know, she was sort of like saying it was

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Speaker 2: hard to get into that mindset, and Annie gave her

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Speaker 2: for some real help with that or whatever. Beth and

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Speaker 2: Annie updated the Eco Sex Manifesto to respond to COVID

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Speaker 2: policies like social distancing and masking, and there's even like

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Speaker 2: pictures of some eco sexuals wearing masks that have like

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Speaker 2: grass sprouting from it, and so you know, they kept

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Speaker 2: the they kept the vibes going all right during the pandemic.

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Speaker 2: And Annie is also in recovery from both lung cancer

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Speaker 2: and breast cancer, which said at least in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 2: or twenty twenty when she gave this interview magazine interview.

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Speaker 2: She says, she's doing fine now, but of course that

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Speaker 2: you know, took them away from art for a minute.

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Speaker 2: They had more important things to do. And she also

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Speaker 2: thinks that maybe the breast cancer may have been a

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Speaker 2: result of some toxic permanent ink that she used in

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Speaker 2: the nineties. She used to make these tit prints, she

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Speaker 2: called them, and they had like cubists or heart shaped

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Speaker 2: or like cone shaped boobs, you know, different with like

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Speaker 2: kind of it almost looks like tin types or something

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Speaker 2: like that. But anyway, they're fun, and she says, you

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Speaker 2: know a lot of artists, you know, they get killed

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Speaker 2: by their materials because people use toxic pains, so they

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Speaker 2: have films or whatever. And she's like, that's just that's

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Speaker 2: part of the life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But she's also trying to get her body of work archived,

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Speaker 2: including all her tit prints and all her writing and

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Speaker 2: all these amazing photos that she's taken over the years,

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Speaker 2: tons of her educational material and stuff, like that, so

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Speaker 2: she's working to get that archived, hopefully at Harvard. She

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Speaker 2: mentioned in the Interview magazine that their Schlessinger Library has

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Speaker 2: a sex worker archive. Oh nice, which I think is

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Speaker 2: really cool. So kind of maintaining some of that history, right,

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Speaker 2: people who actually lived that history, instead of from the

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Speaker 2: perspective of people who are judging it from one way

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Speaker 2: or another. Right, So I think that's really cool. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: she does get her It seems like she would deserve

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Speaker 2: a place in the Schlessinger Library.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, man, good for good for them and still

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Speaker 1: at it, which I love too. They must be what

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four, so almost seventy now, yeah, actually she's

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Speaker 1: sixty nine.

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Speaker 2: Do you know? Nice?

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Speaker 1: That's cool? Wow, yeah, I think I mean, what do

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Speaker 1: I think? Well? On one hand, I like the sentiment

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Speaker 1: that we're all eco sexuals, right because we're all having

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Speaker 1: sex with natural living things of the earth. That's fine.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to roll around in the dirt as

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Speaker 1: was previous previously explained. I'm good with excluding the elements

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Speaker 1: for my life as much as possible. I'm a very

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Speaker 1: comfortable indoors. Well, I love the outdoors. I love camping,

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Speaker 1: of going out things like that. But but I don't

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Speaker 1: like bugs. So that's the main things. I just don't

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Speaker 1: like bugs. Keep them off of me. So I do

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Speaker 1: like a lot of clothes because they are to be

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Speaker 1: in my defense.

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Speaker 2: Bugs love me, they do.

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Speaker 1: And I've had a long history of like other beings

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Speaker 1: being really attracted to me that I'm that I have

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Speaker 1: to kind of fend off. It's been sort of the

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Speaker 1: story of my life.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is actually a good point that you've just

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Speaker 2: brought up. Oh yeah, because of all nineteen at the

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Speaker 2: weddings that we looked into, not a single one of

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Speaker 2: them was to bugs.

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Speaker 1: Hell no, why would you marry bugs? Bug?

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Speaker 2: They're part of the natural world. Well, you know, if

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Speaker 2: there weren't bugs, lots of things wouldn't eat, lots of

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Speaker 2: things would not pro create, lots of things would not pollenate.

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Speaker 1: That's great, But you know what I want to do.

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Speaker 1: I want to hold a mass ceremony of divorce against

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Speaker 1: the bugs. I want to kick them out. No longer welcome. Here.

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Speaker 1: Take here's a box full of your stuff, Get out

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Speaker 1: and don't come back. Restraighting or to file.

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Speaker 2: Full of your stuff. Here's the silk from your cobweb.

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Speaker 1: You bastard. I love spiders.

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Speaker 2: I know spiders are great and not bugs, so technically

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Speaker 2: don't eat bugs.

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Speaker 1: And that's why spiders are dope. And they're all welcome

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Speaker 1: to my house as long as they stay up in

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Speaker 1: the corners and inside the walls.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to go. But yeah, I just think that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I wonder why, why not if we could get them

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Speaker 2: to marry mosquitoes or something that is.

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Speaker 1: Less uh, because they said they're trying.

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Speaker 2: Pretty and less nice about nature.

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Speaker 1: Because they said they're also trying to have fun, true

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Speaker 1: and silly, and that's no what he wants. Who would

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Speaker 1: come to that wedding, the mosquito marriage, Like what are

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Speaker 1: you going to walk out naked into a swamp, like,

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Speaker 1: cover yourself in honey and say, have at it, mosquitos,

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Speaker 1: let's become one. No, I'm going to end up in

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Speaker 1: the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, they can marry bees. Bees are very important.

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Speaker 1: Bees are very important, and I think that bees really

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Speaker 1: like their space and I don't want to I do

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Speaker 1: not want to impose on a bee's space. Okay for

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Speaker 1: any stinging insect.

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Speaker 2: To say about an animal that lives like really packed

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Speaker 2: in with other bees that's why they're.

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Speaker 1: Like, we don't need any giant human bodies coming near us.

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Speaker 2: True, you take it up a lot of space.

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Speaker 1: Huh.

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Speaker 2: Would I would go to any of these weddings one

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Speaker 2: hundred per I think they're probably really easy to laugh at.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people are laughing because it's

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Speaker 2: very hippie and very art this and that, and you

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01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 2: know it's it's it is easy to laugh at, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Would I like, I really like the vibe of it

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Speaker 2: and at ways, and the I like the foundation of it,

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Speaker 2: which is we need to find a different way to

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Speaker 2: think about the world that makes us respect it more. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and cherish it more. Obviously calling it our mother is

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01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 2: not working, right, We are not taking care of it, yep.

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Speaker 2: So we need to think about different language around it

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01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: or different mindset around it. That's that's huge, right, changing mindset,

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Speaker 2: that's everything.

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Speaker 1: And we talk in the last episode about Sexy Gaya

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Speaker 1: from Captain Planet.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we sure did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd take her as a lover.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say. We recently talked about the perception

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Speaker 1: of artistic things like this as being pretentious and serious

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01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: and and I really like something like this that I

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01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,560
Speaker 1: think they want you to laugh. Yeah, right, Like obviously

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01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: it's silly that I'm marrying the sun, you know. Yeah,

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01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: there's like there's a realness to it, like there's something

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Speaker 1: that we want you to take from this. But also

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Speaker 1: like if you're taking it so serious layers like this

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Speaker 1: is art and but you know, then you're doing it wrong.

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Speaker 1: You're kind of the whole point is kind of be

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Speaker 1: lighthearted about it. Yeah, have a good time. So I

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Speaker 1: imagine there's a lot of silliness and laughing and like,

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Speaker 1: look we're doing isn't it Isn't it ridiculous Because ridiculousness

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Speaker 1: is also joyful?

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Speaker 2: Yes, today, I really think that's so true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do.

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Speaker 2: I like that too, joy around loving the environment instead

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Speaker 2: of fear and moralistic shaming of others. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: more about like we love it out, go out and

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Speaker 2: touch grass. It's the touch grass movement basically of like

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Speaker 2: stop being inside on your screens, go out, look at

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Speaker 2: this miraculous world full of unpredictable surprises and beauty and

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Speaker 2: everything I do. I do. I like that.

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Speaker 1: I do like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, fucking a vegetable too far from me,

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01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 2: too far? But you know what, I guess I don't

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Speaker 2: care as long as you're not doing it in the

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Speaker 2: grocery store in front of me.

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Speaker 1: And if you are, just make sure you buy that

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Speaker 1: one and don't put it back. I do. I'm really conscious.

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Speaker 2: This is another layer that is upsetting.

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Speaker 1: No one's fucking them in the grocery store. They are

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Speaker 1: purchasing them first. I've been very conscious lately about uh,

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Speaker 1: trying not to touch any produce that I'm not that

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01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 1: I don't put my cart. You know, I really like

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01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: sometimes you really have to pick up an avocado and

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01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: like give it a little grope and stuff, but it's

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01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, like bell peppers. I really try to look

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Speaker 1: at it. Which ones looked rubbery. I don't want to

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01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: pick everyone up because you know, hey, everybody else is

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01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: doing that, and b let me just reduce the number

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Speaker 1: of hands that went out of this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but you wash the vegetables before you cook them, right, No?

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Speaker 1: No, I put them in the cart bare naked. I

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Speaker 1: roll them down the conveyor belt at the grocery store

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Speaker 1: and then I and I just well, I'll rinse them

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Speaker 1: off in a puddle in the parking lot.

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Speaker 2: For a home and a stranger sneeze on them.

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Speaker 1: I just assume that they have. I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: can make more of an effort for that if you want, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: no problem, just to make sure, yeah, I didn't assume. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that's the state of artists.

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Speaker 2: I will never eat another vegetable in.

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01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: Because I cook and I'm vegetarian.

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Speaker 2: We don't need a lot of me. I am screwed.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning into my final episode before I

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Speaker 2: become closer to the Earth forever. I would love to

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Speaker 2: hear what y'all think about eco sex. Definitely, this is

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Speaker 2: a different one for us. It's a you know, usually

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Speaker 2: our our weird sexualities. They're they're pretty honestly into the

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01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 2: sex part, really like having sex with the cars or

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01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 2: marrying the buildings and stuff like. They're very much feeling

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01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 2: a romantic connection. And I'm not saying they're not, but

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's more of a more of a

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Speaker 2: political artist.

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Speaker 1: Ye. Message driven.

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Speaker 2: More message driven is a good way to put it. So,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know. I think they're very interesting women,

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Speaker 2: that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: I certainly would not be bored having a conversation with them.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you would do it well. We would

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Speaker 2: love to hear what you think about ecosexuality, about Annie Sprinkle?

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Speaker 2: Have you seen deep inside Annie Sprinkle? You see you know?

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Speaker 2: Do you know anything about Beth Stevens, I mean, any

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Speaker 2: any of this that struck a chord with you. We

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Speaker 2: would love to hear from you. As always, our email

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Speaker 2: address is ridict Romance at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 4: I'm at Dianamite Boom and the show is at redict Romance.

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Speaker 2: And we love y'all very much. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: your patience between episodes. Hopefully it was worth the wait

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Speaker 2: and we will see you soon with more. All right, Bobbie,

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