Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On.
Speaker 1: It is a day of great loss, but Queen Elizabeth
Speaker 1: the Second leaves a great legacy. Are hard to go
Speaker 1: to the people of the United Kingdom. She was one
Speaker 1: of my favorite people in the world, and I will
Speaker 1: miss herself. Bloomberg Sound on Politics, Policy and Perspective from
Speaker 1: DC's top name. Nobody can say that what happened on
Speaker 1: the fourth of July seventeen seventy six wasn't very much
Speaker 1: a bilateral affair between US. Bloomberg found on with Joe
Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio, The Queen has died, Hall hailed
Speaker 1: the King. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics as
Speaker 1: the world mourns Elizabeth the Second, who outlived a dozen
Speaker 1: US presidents. We'll talk about what this means for the
Speaker 1: special relationship and what the new king might bring to
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom over the next hour. Joined by Bloomberg's
Speaker 1: Flavia Across Jackson, Tony Gardner, former US Ambassador to the
Speaker 1: European Union under President Obama, and Virginia Congresswoman Abigail Spanberger,
Speaker 1: a former CIA officer who serves on the House Foreign
Speaker 1: Affairs Committee. Also our panel Bloomberg Politics contributor Republican strategist
Speaker 1: Rick Davis back with us today, joined by Democratic strategist
Speaker 1: Johanna Masca from the Global Situation Room. The news of
Speaker 1: the queen passing came during the White House Press briefing today.
Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary Kaarine John Pierre was told by
Speaker 1: a reporter, Okay, so that's been confirmed. Okay family. Um, so,
Speaker 1: as I said to earlier, Um, you know, our hearts
Speaker 1: and our thoughts go to the family members of the queen.
Speaker 1: Statement from President Biden. A written statement came out a
Speaker 1: couple of hours later, reads, quote in part, quote, Queen
Speaker 1: Elizabeth the Second was a stateswoman of unmatched dignity and
Speaker 1: constancy who deepened the bedrock alliance between the United Kingdom
Speaker 1: and the United States. She helped make our relationship special. Unquote.
Speaker 1: We have not heard from the President yet, as he
Speaker 1: canceled a speech because of this earlier in the day.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be about COVID. What he has
Speaker 1: scheduled to speak at a d n C fundraiser a
Speaker 1: bit later on. We'll let you know if he uses
Speaker 1: that as an opportunity. Since then, of course, tributes condolences
Speaker 1: have been pouring in from around the world, around the
Speaker 1: political sphere. You've been hearing about it all day on
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Prime Minister Liz Trusts, who met with the
Speaker 1: Queen just two days ago. With the passing of the
Speaker 1: second Elizabethan Age, we usher in a new era in
Speaker 1: the magnificent history of our great country, exactly as her
Speaker 1: Majesty would have wished by saying the words, God Save
Speaker 1: the King, God Save the King. The question is what
Speaker 1: will he choose for a name. That conversation later, the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister went on to speak to the elaborate process
Speaker 1: that's about to unfold in the difficult days ahead. We
Speaker 1: will come together with our friends across the United Kingdom,
Speaker 1: the Commonwealth and the world to celebrate her extraordinary lifetime
Speaker 1: of service. Let's start here with Flavia Cross Jackson, the
Speaker 1: managing editor for Washington's US government coverage here at Bloomberg.
Speaker 1: She used to head Bloomberg's UK government coverage, and we're
Speaker 1: lucky to have you with us today, Flavia. This is
Speaker 1: by law now right. The next ten days are going
Speaker 1: to be very carefully choreographed. Oh absolutely, to the absolute
Speaker 1: to the absolute team now if them know, But but
Speaker 1: you know to be sure it is Charles the third. Um,
Speaker 1: let's trust herself. Let the cat out of the bag earlier.
Speaker 1: Maybe not intentionally or not, but we all we are
Speaker 1: royal watches are our ears immediately picked up. It's like
Speaker 1: hold on a sec. I thought there was going to
Speaker 1: be a bit of confusion over or you know, he
Speaker 1: was going to sort of it wasn't automatic that, yes, right,
Speaker 1: so he's going with it, went with the obvious pick.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well yes, but you know, of course, um,
Speaker 1: there is a part to got to be followed there,
Speaker 1: and you know, in theory it's his decision to make,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it was, and it was his too
Speaker 1: to announce. Um on The speculation, of course, was that
Speaker 1: he might have gone maybe with with the name of
Speaker 1: his grandfather and gone with the George. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: the childs in English history did not have a good reputation.
Speaker 1: The first one got his head lopped off. Um. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure he will be changing the course
Speaker 1: of that as Charles the third. But yes, she did
Speaker 1: get put out for the horse, and it was confirmed
Speaker 1: by his own office. He automatically became king the moment
Speaker 1: his mother died. Uh. And we have a great TikTok. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's a great TikTok on the terminal that shows us
Speaker 1: what's going to happen over the next ten days. Here
Speaker 1: Day ten though, state funeral at Westminster Abby. They've been
Speaker 1: planning this for decades. FI. Yes, I mean at this
Speaker 1: point the Guardian article that London Bridge must be the
Speaker 1: most click thing in the metaverse. Um. It really takes
Speaker 1: you right through to every built up of the way,
Speaker 1: how the BBC was going to handle it, Um, the bank, holidays,
Speaker 1: et cetera. All needs to be run just right. Um.
Speaker 1: But of course you know there there is a nation
Speaker 1: in shalk. We are the country of the stiff upper lip,
Speaker 1: and yet we're also very emotional people. Um as you
Speaker 1: know the Diana think can attest to. And I think
Speaker 1: it's going to take a while to digest this. It's
Speaker 1: really going to reverberate, I think in the public psyche,
Speaker 1: especially given the changes in the tumult that the country
Speaker 1: has gone through, be at Brexit, be it now, uh
Speaker 1: you know, new Prime Minister. It's it's just a lot
Speaker 1: to absorb and I would expect this to reverberate for
Speaker 1: quite some time. Glavia, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1: I know you've had an incredibly busy day working in
Speaker 1: the newsroom and glad to have your insights. Glavia Across Jackson,
Speaker 1: managing editor here at Bloomberg in Washington, sharing insights as
Speaker 1: we get things started here on Bloomberg sound on into
Speaker 1: Flavia's point. I saw the statistics today. You probably heard
Speaker 1: of this. One out of ten people was alive in
Speaker 1: this country when Elizabeth became queen. That means most only
Speaker 1: know a world in which there is a Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: The second, we extend the conversation now with the voice
Speaker 1: of a US lawmaker. Congresswoman Abigail Spanburger, Democrat from Virginia,
Speaker 1: is with us right now on Bloomberg sound on. We're
Speaker 1: typically talking about policy like infrastructure or foreign policy. In
Speaker 1: this case there is an overlap there, as the congresswoman
Speaker 1: a former CIA officer UH now member of the House
Speaker 1: Foreign Affairs Committee. Congresswoman, it's great to have you with
Speaker 1: us here. There's obviously a lot of protocol that's gonna
Speaker 1: follow here, and a lot of history is going to unfold.
Speaker 1: From a political standpoint, though, does this mean anything about
Speaker 1: the US relationship with the UK? Well, I think the
Speaker 1: UK has always been just such an incredible partner to
Speaker 1: the United States. We have in the intelligence world what
Speaker 1: is considered to be a very special relationship in terms
Speaker 1: of our information sharing and our partnership. UM. But when
Speaker 1: we're reflecting on the passing of the Queen, I think
Speaker 1: that you know incredibly and notably the fact that after
Speaker 1: September eleven she broke with tradition and had our Star
Speaker 1: spangled banner played outside of Buckingham Palace as a tribute
Speaker 1: to her partners, her friends, her American counterparts, as we
Speaker 1: were in such a time of deep, deep hearting. I
Speaker 1: think to semplifies the connection between our two countries. UM.
Speaker 1: Moving forward, I think that our relationships obviously are quite strong,
Speaker 1: and our intelligence sharing, our our work together across the
Speaker 1: whole myriad of challenges that our two nations face. UM.
Speaker 1: But certainly the humanity UM and the person that the
Speaker 1: Queen brought to her role as as the British monarch,
Speaker 1: and certainly her many visits to the United States, including
Speaker 1: to Virginia, m are ones that I think will be
Speaker 1: treasured memories for many who had had the opportunity to participate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you worked with British counterparts both as a member of
Speaker 1: the CIA and as a as a current member of
Speaker 1: Congress give us a sense of how closely tied the
Speaker 1: intelligence relationship is specifically between our two countries. Well, so,
Speaker 1: certainly the intelligence relationship is incredibly, incredibly UH connected. And
Speaker 1: in fact I actually did not ever directly work with
Speaker 1: British intelligence because anyone who was working undercover and could
Speaker 1: not be whose name could not be given to the
Speaker 1: our British counterparts. UH, if you were not declarable to
Speaker 1: the British, you did not meet with the British I
Speaker 1: understand we did not. But that to answer your question,
Speaker 1: that that speaks to the level of UM partnership, that
Speaker 1: our intelligence officers were themselves were straightforward about who they
Speaker 1: are UM, and we partnered on UH. You know, certainly
Speaker 1: for the past number of decades are our global war
Speaker 1: on terror we work UM close close partners certainly uh
Speaker 1: in the onset with the bombing of the coal and
Speaker 1: then the nine eleven attacks, but certainly the London bombing
Speaker 1: UM and subsequent terrorist attacks there I think heightened the
Speaker 1: resolve and the partnership that exists between British Intelligence and
Speaker 1: c I A. The leadership of the two organizations are
Speaker 1: in close contact and are CIA our nation. CIA officers
Speaker 1: who work in London station or who work throughout the
Speaker 1: world frequently and consistently partner with British until because the
Speaker 1: quality of the information they have is is so strong,
Speaker 1: and the trust and the partnerships between our two nations
Speaker 1: is so paramount to our mutual security. My producers say,
Speaker 1: you're being honest about that. But as we take a
Speaker 1: look at the current political landscape in the UK, and
Speaker 1: this is going to come before you as a member
Speaker 1: of the Foreign Affairs Committee, there's a two day old
Speaker 1: or something. I believe it's two day old Prime Minister
Speaker 1: who amazingly was photographed with the Queen you know on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I guess the three day old Prime Minister. Uh. There's
Speaker 1: enormous change, as Flavia mentioned, as we consider Brexit, as
Speaker 1: we consider uh the new prime Minister, and now of
Speaker 1: course the passing of the Queen. Uh. Does this create
Speaker 1: a concern for instability on any level? How does how
Speaker 1: does the Committee deal with this? I think that it
Speaker 1: speaks to the need for us to be as stable
Speaker 1: and as GOODI partners to our friends in Parliament, to
Speaker 1: our counterparts in the British government, certainly because they are
Speaker 1: going through a time of great change with a new
Speaker 1: Prime minister. But but even just frankly speaking emotionally, the
Speaker 1: fact that this permanent fixture in the life of so
Speaker 1: many of our counterparts has passed to and there UM
Speaker 1: looking at the next generation of leadership within the monarchy UM,
Speaker 1: and certainly there will be changes that come with that.
Speaker 1: But you know, when we look at even just the
Speaker 1: test this past year and our direct work and partnership
Speaker 1: with our British counterparts as it relates to UH support
Speaker 1: UH ensuring support for the Ukrainian people standing up strong
Speaker 1: against Russian incursion, UH support for Finland and Sweden to
Speaker 1: join NATO. Are are our English counterparts. Our British counterparts
Speaker 1: have been absolutely by our side. We've been by their side,
Speaker 1: and so I think as as they go through what
Speaker 1: continues to be a challenging, you know, a pass forward
Speaker 1: as it relates particularly to bregit um with new leadership
Speaker 1: at the home of Parliament and now at the monarchy UM,
Speaker 1: I think the Foreign Affairs Committee needs to continue to
Speaker 1: UH demonstrate our respect for an appreciation for the very
Speaker 1: close and very unique relationship that we have Uh, with
Speaker 1: our our British counterparts. Have you heard from Speaker Pelosi's
Speaker 1: office about any sort of attributes in the House or
Speaker 1: or codel that might be traveling in ten days to
Speaker 1: the funeral. So there's been a kind of an initial
Speaker 1: statement put out by the Speaker of the House, uh,
Speaker 1: certainly celebrating the life of the late queen, but there's
Speaker 1: not any formal planning just yet, though I do expect
Speaker 1: that um, that there will be a delegation of Americans
Speaker 1: UH that will be a fulesome and robust as we
Speaker 1: as as partners and as friends, um, and certainly those
Speaker 1: who have the opportunity to meet with and work with
Speaker 1: the Queen over the years or be welcome to the country,
Speaker 1: we'll want to make sure that they're paying their full
Speaker 1: respect to her. So we don't have details yet that
Speaker 1: I do expect that we will have the very appropriate
Speaker 1: showing of respect, um, and and gratitude for for her leadership,
Speaker 1: and and certainly be there to pay our respects to
Speaker 1: our counterparts who are mourning the loss of their monarch. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I appreciate your joining us to talk about it a
Speaker 1: little bit of a diversion from our normal conversation with
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Abigail Spanburger, the Democrat from Virginia. As I mentioned,
Speaker 1: House Foreign Affairs and a former member of the CIA,
Speaker 1: we thought her perspective would be unique. Will assemble the
Speaker 1: panel next as we go over the course of this
Speaker 1: hour and go through some of these conversations. We also
Speaker 1: want to bring you some important moments that the Queen
Speaker 1: spent here in Washington. Remember outlived a dozen presidents. Guess
Speaker 1: she met thirteen presidents, with the exception of every president
Speaker 1: of the last seventy years, with the exception of President
Speaker 1: Johnson Lyndon Johnson. But we remember when she came to
Speaker 1: meet with President Ford. It was the bi centennial seventy
Speaker 1: six outside the White House, and boy was there a
Speaker 1: crowd on the south lawn. President Ford, welcoming the Queen,
Speaker 1: your Majesty, your Royal Highness, Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf
Speaker 1: of the American people. I am delighted to welcome you
Speaker 1: and your party to the United States and to the
Speaker 1: White House, your first state visit to America. In nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty seven, mark the three hundred and fiftieth anniversary of
Speaker 1: the settlement of Jamestown, the first permanent British colony in
Speaker 1: this new land. You honor us again by coming to
Speaker 1: share our bicentennial observance. It's a very formal situation. There
Speaker 1: was a military presence. The Queen spoke as well. For
Speaker 1: nearly one hundred and seventy years there was a formal
Speaker 1: constitutional link between your declaration of independence. Broke that link,
Speaker 1: but it did not for long break our friendship spent
Speaker 1: the day in Washington, and by the State dinner that night,
Speaker 1: it wasn't so formal. In fact, we started to see, well,
Speaker 1: it was plenty formal, but we started to see some humor,
Speaker 1: something that she showed a lot more over the years
Speaker 1: in Washington, d c. And as she made her toast
Speaker 1: to President Ford, she owned the room. We are deeply
Speaker 1: grateful for having been invited to visit the United States
Speaker 1: in the main week of your bi centenary. It was
Speaker 1: a generous gesture and apposite. After all, nobody can say
Speaker 1: that what happened on the fourth of July seventy six
Speaker 1: wasn't very much a bilateral affair between us. We indeed
Speaker 1: happy to accept your invitation. Seemed to loosen up the room,
Speaker 1: and she would use that over the years in visits
Speaker 1: here as will play for you this hour. I'm Joe,
Speaker 1: Matthew and Washington. Welcome to a special edition of Bloomberg
Speaker 1: Sound On, exclusively on Bloomberg Radio. As we assemble our panel,
Speaker 1: Rick Davis is back with US Republican UH strategist and
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor, joined today by Democratic strategist Johanna Masca
Speaker 1: of the Global Situation Room. Thanks to both of you
Speaker 1: for being here. Rick. This is a pretty big development
Speaker 1: to happen in the same week that this country gets
Speaker 1: a new prime minister. It's not often that we see
Speaker 1: history written in real time like this. Yeah, that's right, Joe.
Speaker 1: I mean one of the things that was most striking
Speaker 1: is when the prime minister incoming, you know, they get
Speaker 1: appointed basically by the Queen and uh, she traveled outlets
Speaker 1: to the castle and Laura and and the picture that
Speaker 1: was released look a very vibrant queen standing on her own,
Speaker 1: just looking great. And I remember looking at them. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad this was able to happen the way
Speaker 1: it did. I mean, she's been ill, she hasn't been
Speaker 1: very mobile and uh, and the fact that she was
Speaker 1: able to install this new ambassador. This new Prime Minister
Speaker 1: was just fantastic. It never even occurred to me that
Speaker 1: this might be the last picture we see of her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, look, it was something that we saw
Speaker 1: coming today, Johanna. There were reports this morning when once
Speaker 1: the statement came out from Buckingham Palace that she was ill,
Speaker 1: that was considered, you know, that her health was of
Speaker 1: grave concern. That was considered very unusual and obviously something
Speaker 1: was was happening for real. The family members were on
Speaker 1: their way. But to finally hear that news break, my goodness.
Speaker 1: To think of how many people don't understand or know
Speaker 1: a world without Queen Elizabeth the second is kind of remarkable,
Speaker 1: not only on a political level, but just on a
Speaker 1: popular level. Here this is somebody who was on the
Speaker 1: front page of not just the Washington Post but People magazine.
Speaker 1: She was toted in movies. It's it's something that goes
Speaker 1: to the core, absolutely, and it is it's an end
Speaker 1: of an era. I mean, I think all of all
Speaker 1: of us are among the people who haven't lived through
Speaker 1: a world in um in which we don't have Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: I I traveled to um Buckingham Palace was President Obama
Speaker 1: now eleven years ago and had the um incredible fortune
Speaker 1: to meet the Queen and see her. She is um.
Speaker 1: She was very small in stature, but my god, what
Speaker 1: a life, what she has lived. I think though this
Speaker 1: is um. You know, this was expected and we can't
Speaker 1: live forever. And I think all of us and people
Speaker 1: in Washington need to remember that and um. And when
Speaker 1: she was the receiver of the baton, a lot of
Speaker 1: people said she wasn't ready and that she wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to um uh lead the country with the grace
Speaker 1: that she has. But this passing of the baton is
Speaker 1: coming and it's um. It is significant in Britain. I
Speaker 1: think it's also going to be significant in the US.
Speaker 1: And I know we don't have royalty, but we have
Speaker 1: a lot of people who have been in these positions
Speaker 1: of power for almost the duration of Queen Elizabeth's reign,
Speaker 1: almost being the key word there she was. She was
Speaker 1: a big fan of the Obama's You were you were
Speaker 1: there for this president. I'm delighted to welcome you and
Speaker 1: this is Obama to London. Prince Philip, and I are
Speaker 1: so glad that you were visiting the United Kingdom. Again.
Speaker 1: We remember the image of the two daughters getting a
Speaker 1: carriage ride, and some of the sort of very family
Speaker 1: oriented stuff going on there. But there was also the protocol, Johanna,
Speaker 1: and you were there for that too, right the toast,
Speaker 1: My god, it was like an international incident, the touch um.
Speaker 1: If people don't remember this, Barack Obama, the President of
Speaker 1: the United States, decides to break protocol and toast the
Speaker 1: queen before and as it turned out, during the anthem
Speaker 1: playing ladies and gentlemen, please stand with me and raise
Speaker 1: your glasses as I propose a toast, I'd be so
Speaker 1: lost if I had to do this for a living.
Speaker 1: This is the way you had, It's the right way
Speaker 1: to the queen. Okay. So he goes into the totality
Speaker 1: of the special relationship God, the music between our people's
Speaker 1: boy and in the words of Shakespeare, to this blessed
Speaker 1: plot earth. What can the president do this realm but
Speaker 1: just stop and the music comes up? Johannah, How how
Speaker 1: tough was that to deal with that day? Honestly though,
Speaker 1: I think, um, Americans aren't always as protocol oriented, and
Speaker 1: so I think I think our friends um in across
Speaker 1: the pond are well aware of that was the staff
Speaker 1: outrage though, and the Queen was was endeared like, well
Speaker 1: how did what was the real reaction? That is that
Speaker 1: is the true is there's a lot of protocol staff,
Speaker 1: that's all. It's this is protocol. That's the protocol. And
Speaker 1: that's with a lot of countries. And often the leaders
Speaker 1: themselves are the ones who are saying it's okay, let's
Speaker 1: you know, actually get to know each other and um
Speaker 1: and so you know, I think it was a very
Speaker 1: special relationship. I think she um my gosh again, the history,
Speaker 1: the ability that she has to tell to give lessons
Speaker 1: of her own history. I mean, it's incredible. But I
Speaker 1: think um, as you know that steady hand comes to close.
Speaker 1: That is also the political uh dynamics are the thing
Speaker 1: that frightened me the most for the new king number one.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think a number of US Americans
Speaker 1: are going to have the same reverence for a king
Speaker 1: that we have seen played out on television as the
Speaker 1: person who divorced the mom of his son's the philanderer
Speaker 1: who probably should have always married Camilla um and and
Speaker 1: now you know, his son has been in the US
Speaker 1: and has kind of gotten involved in the US political system.
Speaker 1: And I can see this being so many red flags
Speaker 1: because we are not in a place of political stability.
Speaker 1: I know, Rick, you and I have been talking about this,
Speaker 1: but we have seen massive, you know, polarity in our country.
Speaker 1: Well what do you think about this before you had
Speaker 1: another layer here? I mean that that is pretty that's
Speaker 1: a tough My god. I don't know if he'll be
Speaker 1: called the philanderer when he walks into the room here,
Speaker 1: But the king, how do you deal with the king's
Speaker 1: sort of image rebuilding? Is it that does he introduce
Speaker 1: reintroduce himself like a politician? Rick? You know it's it
Speaker 1: is a moment for a reset, right, And you don't
Speaker 1: get these opportunities very often. This has been seventy years
Speaker 1: and uh and and look at the tradition she has upheld, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody has a clue what her political views are. Nobody.
Speaker 1: She's got the best folker face on the face of
Speaker 1: the earth, and and so and and that has allowed
Speaker 1: political life in Great Britain to happen around her without
Speaker 1: affecting her one way or the other. And I think
Speaker 1: that kind of stability is something that, frankly, that we
Speaker 1: lack right here in the United States. There's no central
Speaker 1: authority that we can look to for sort of you know, really,
Speaker 1: do we really think this is as off the rails
Speaker 1: as we were saying? So the question is how will
Speaker 1: Charles act? Right? And and and and she was able
Speaker 1: to be the stoic reminder of the stiff upper lip
Speaker 1: all the while her children had all these kinds of issues, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, this wasn't just Charles's act. They all got
Speaker 1: divorced at one point in time, and and and, which
Speaker 1: was very unusual. So it's it's kind of neat to
Speaker 1: see this moment where we're all gonna be on the
Speaker 1: edge of like, how's Charles gonna do this? He's gonna
Speaker 1: be like her? Is he gonna is he gonna get
Speaker 1: activists on issues? He's certainly been that way up until now.
Speaker 1: How will the how will becoming king affect him? Do you?
Speaker 1: Does he reinvent this? In and sort of from a
Speaker 1: media optics standpoint, Johanna, are we gonna see uh An
Speaker 1: unveilingly like we have not before? I mean, we're at
Speaker 1: the point now where number ten Downing Street has like
Speaker 1: the best crane shot I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: When things are happening, you know, and in this case.
Speaker 1: This week we saw the Prime Minister stride up to
Speaker 1: the podium and it's like a Hollywood movie. How does
Speaker 1: he use the media to his benefit? They're they're very
Speaker 1: good at protocol, but you can't change who a person is.
Speaker 1: And I um, and I think, you know, when it
Speaker 1: comes to this king, he was present at some of
Speaker 1: these events and I found him to be a little awkward,
Speaker 1: and I don't know that that's going to change. And
Speaker 1: so you know, I think trying to reinvent himself at
Speaker 1: this age is also kind of it's all to ask, um,
Speaker 1: But I think he's going to have to navigate the
Speaker 1: dynamics of an America that's kind of um shifting politically,
Speaker 1: with a son who's already left to move to the
Speaker 1: US and who is involved in the political syste them
Speaker 1: and you know, winning, winning, winning the hearts and minds
Speaker 1: of his own people, and you know abroad is going
Speaker 1: to be a tall challenge. So I am not terrifically
Speaker 1: optimistic at the space that the Royals, and maybe it's
Speaker 1: I'm not a Royalist. I mean, my my my grandmother
Speaker 1: was a war bribe from England and and shows America
Speaker 1: for many reasons. But but at the same time, I
Speaker 1: do think that they have had an important role in
Speaker 1: Europe really as a steady hand in Europe, and Europe
Speaker 1: is already very unsure of what the US is doing
Speaker 1: with our pivot to Asia and kind of are changing demographics.
Speaker 1: And so I think it's probably even for the whole
Speaker 1: of Europe um going to be a significant shift if
Speaker 1: they can't rely on, you know, that monarch to be
Speaker 1: kind of that steady hand. So it'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: see who fills that. Boy, it absolutely will, does it? Uh?
Speaker 1: Does it require a US visit, a White House visit
Speaker 1: as soon as possible? Rick, or you know King Charles
Speaker 1: at the White House? Does he go to a Nats game?
Speaker 1: And like Ben's chili bowl? How does that trip work? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a tough tall order for a new king. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, look look at the history, right, it all
Speaker 1: starts at home. Um, So I think the first time
Speaker 1: we're going to see him and and and sort of
Speaker 1: his impact on a global stage is going to be
Speaker 1: his relationship in building the new relationship as king with
Speaker 1: his own people, right, and and so how does Britain
Speaker 1: react to him? As Joanne was saying, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a whole relationship building exercise. It's not without its history
Speaker 1: there uh. And then the Commonwealth is a big deal
Speaker 1: to the to the to the royals in Britain. Right
Speaker 1: that one of the great successes of the Queen was
Speaker 1: building the Commonwealth from seven countries to we're fifty, I think,
Speaker 1: And so I wouldn't be surprised that if he's gonna
Speaker 1: go anywhere, he's gonna go visit some of those Commonwealth
Speaker 1: countries that they've invested so heavily in as a family
Speaker 1: right has been great for public diplomacy for the UK,
Speaker 1: but it's also been a family project and I can't
Speaker 1: imagine him sort of ignoring that. And I would say
Speaker 1: to um, uh, I wouldn't. I wouldn't suggest that that
Speaker 1: between now and certainly November of this year, when there's
Speaker 1: an election in the United States, that any royal shows
Speaker 1: up in New York or Washington or l A. Because
Speaker 1: you can't help but be dragged into the politics. And
Speaker 1: so they're smart, They're gonna look at this and say, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's other times that that the King is gonna want
Speaker 1: to visit America, and this is not one of them.
Speaker 1: This is a great panel Rick Davis with us along
Speaker 1: with Johanna Masca from the Global Situation Room, as will
Speaker 1: continue our conversation throughout the hour here and also bringing
Speaker 1: you back to some of the more uh interesting moments
Speaker 1: or significant moments or funny moments in some cases that
Speaker 1: the Queen spent here in the nation's capital with gosh
Speaker 1: a dozen presidents and as it turned out, a joint
Speaker 1: session of Congress, how Speaker's Tom Folly, Members of the Congress.
Speaker 1: It is my great privilege and I deem it a
Speaker 1: high honor and personal pleasure to present to you her
Speaker 1: Majesty Elizabeth the second big deal obviously, the Queen and
Speaker 1: the Speaker's rostrum. By the way, that standing ovation went
Speaker 1: on for a long time. And this was the day after,
Speaker 1: I believe, the day after huh the hat incident at
Speaker 1: the White House. In a classic moment, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: her use of humor worked for her repeatedly in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. And this brings us back to an event
Speaker 1: at the White House that led to a Washington Post
Speaker 1: headline Britain's hat of state, a major breach of protocol
Speaker 1: at the White House, the Bush White House, As the
Speaker 1: Queen went up to the podium. It had not been
Speaker 1: lowered for her height, and her purple and white hat
Speaker 1: could be seen only above the microphones when the five
Speaker 1: foot four queen stood to speak, So this became a
Speaker 1: big story. The President of the United States had to apologize.
Speaker 1: Chief of Protocol got in trouble, and she used it
Speaker 1: to her advantage as she spoke the first words here
Speaker 1: to the Joint Session of Congress the next day, I
Speaker 1: do hope you can see me today from where you are,
Speaker 1: and got a whole other standing ovation out and had
Speaker 1: the room in the palm of her hand. I'm Joe
Speaker 1: Matthew and Washington. Thanks for joining us on Bloomberg Sound On,
Speaker 1: the fastest hour in politics. We have a conversation ahead
Speaker 1: with the former US Ambassador to the European Union, Tony Gardner,
Speaker 1: will be with us. I appreciate your being with us
Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. Still
Speaker 1: waiting for formal details of the queen's funeral yet to
Speaker 1: be announced. That's expected tomorrow as now the UK enters
Speaker 1: a ten day morning period. You might have heard this
Speaker 1: is uh. This is all laid out in law. No
Speaker 1: government announcements are made flags at half masted. Of course,
Speaker 1: King Charles already proclaimed King Charles. The third normal business
Speaker 1: on the following weekday of Parliament is suspended and peas
Speaker 1: paid tribute to the new monarchs and condolences. They will
Speaker 1: then swear an oath of allegiance to the new king. Later,
Speaker 1: the Queen's coffin, returned to London, will arrive at Westminster
Speaker 1: Hall for a formal lying in state on day five.
Speaker 1: Proceedings continue as I mentioned for ten days, upon which
Speaker 1: the state funeral at Westminster Abbey will take place. It
Speaker 1: will be a national holiday, the markets will be posed.
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to bring in Tony Gardner, senior advisor
Speaker 1: at the Brunswick Group but former US Ambassador to the
Speaker 1: European Union during the Obama administration. It's great to have
Speaker 1: you with us, ambassador, your insights today on on what
Speaker 1: this means for Europe. This is something we were talking
Speaker 1: about a bit earlier here in the relationship the United
Speaker 1: Kingdom has with Europe at this critical time with the
Speaker 1: war in Ukraine. Well, thanks for having me. Look, she
Speaker 1: will be remembered and she will be mourned by many,
Speaker 1: many people, even those who are not monarchists. And one
Speaker 1: of the reasons is that she was very wise and
Speaker 1: understanding that it's not always what one says that matters,
Speaker 1: it's what one doesn't say. She was respectful the limits
Speaker 1: of her office, but she understood also that you could
Speaker 1: she could exercise significant influence by being a symbol, by
Speaker 1: being a UM as steady hand at moments that were
Speaker 1: pretty turbulent, a model of public service and I think
Speaker 1: you know that that resonates especially today quite frankly, with
Speaker 1: a lot of people who wish that more of our
Speaker 1: public servants were to follow her the role. I would
Speaker 1: also say that she played a significant role in expanding
Speaker 1: influence of the UK, including through the role of the Commonwealth,
Speaker 1: and very importantly, you know, playing a role in keeping
Speaker 1: the UK together. And I say it because Brexit has
Speaker 1: arguably weakened the glue to some extent that keeps the
Speaker 1: United king together of Scotland and Great Britain in Wales
Speaker 1: and then other Ireland, that this is going to be
Speaker 1: important going forward. UM and a model of stoicism because
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, she went through some pretty difficult times
Speaker 1: on a personal level, and I think people connect to
Speaker 1: her because of that. So what change will the new
Speaker 1: king bring very hard to tell. I'm not well place
Speaker 1: to say that. I think he will try to um
Speaker 1: is it about Well. I think he will try to
Speaker 1: respect the something of the recipe of what made her
Speaker 1: a success, and I think it will be it may
Speaker 1: be difficult because uh, he is a person with the
Speaker 1: views and by the way, I think he's underestimated. He
Speaker 1: said things and believe things well before they were um
Speaker 1: widely believed or said. I'm thinking of certainly the environment
Speaker 1: well before his time, well before his time. But you
Speaker 1: know what, what made her his mother's queen success is
Speaker 1: often buy as I said, being a role model. So
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be obviously difficult role and the
Speaker 1: one that he will have to define in a different way.
Speaker 1: How does the fact that we have a new prime
Speaker 1: minister just this week, just a couple of days old,
Speaker 1: now complicate the situation, this massive transition that's coming for
Speaker 1: the UK. Well, indeed, so there's a lot of change
Speaker 1: happening all the same time. I mean the fact that
Speaker 1: the longest serving monarch is now dead, is now a
Speaker 1: new prime minister, and the UK is facing a whole
Speaker 1: range of really serious issues, economic issues that are serious,
Speaker 1: compounded by the war in Ukraine, but also sitting in
Speaker 1: from me by brexit. Um. And of course the world
Speaker 1: economy is isn't difficulty too, but the UK faces some
Speaker 1: pretty big challenges. So all of this is happening in
Speaker 1: a moment of enormous change. So I can tell you
Speaker 1: I've lived in the UK for twenty two years now,
Speaker 1: the last twenty two years, and this moment feels like
Speaker 1: not only changing the garden new and a new chapter,
Speaker 1: but we're sailing into some pretty turbulent water. Is a
Speaker 1: difficult winter, you know, high energy prices strikes um, it's difficult.
Speaker 1: Having a lot of new faces will not help. In
Speaker 1: other words, indeed at least makes it more of a challenge.
Speaker 1: Are you struck, as an American living there by the
Speaker 1: level of emotion the emotional response that we're hearing from
Speaker 1: so many people living in the UK. No, I'm not,
Speaker 1: and I'm not surprised because she was quite unique, I think,
Speaker 1: in appealing to people of every type of every social category,
Speaker 1: of every type of belief, even those I mentioned who
Speaker 1: are not monarchists, who you know, it's impossible not to
Speaker 1: have enormous respect for her clear sense of duty, her
Speaker 1: devotion to the cause and what she did for the country.
Speaker 1: Woman had to be extremely churlish not to to to
Speaker 1: say that. Um So, I'm not surprised, but the outpouring
Speaker 1: of sympathies at this time. I really appreciate your time
Speaker 1: with us. Former U s Ambassador to the European Union
Speaker 1: in the Obama administration, Tony Gardner, now senior adviser at
Speaker 1: Brunswick Group, sharing some I think important insights as part
Speaker 1: of our hour here on Bloomberg sound On. As we
Speaker 1: prepare to reassemble the panel, I'll remind you as well,
Speaker 1: this queen was a big fan of American democracy and
Speaker 1: made that clear in any number of speeches, including the
Speaker 1: one I referenced before a joint Session of Congress in
Speaker 1: the concept so simply described by Abraham Lincoln as government
Speaker 1: by the people, of the people for the people is
Speaker 1: fundamental to our two nations. Your Congress and our Parliament
Speaker 1: are the twin pillars of our civilizations and the chief
Speaker 1: among the many treasures that we have inherited from our predecessors.
Speaker 1: One of many moments we're sharing with you this hour
Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. As we reassembled the panel, Rick Davis
Speaker 1: is with us from New York. Bloomberg Politics contributed Republican
Speaker 1: strategists along with Democratic strategist Joanna Mascus, EO of the
Speaker 1: Global Situation Room. Uh. The protocol that's about to follow here,
Speaker 1: Uh is pretty heavy duty, Johanna, How do you deal
Speaker 1: with inside the White House here, deciding, for instance, who
Speaker 1: goes to the funeral and and everything that comes with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it takes. I mean, obviously they've been planning this
Speaker 1: for a very long time. And and the truth is
Speaker 1: they already know, of course, which invitations are extended to
Speaker 1: all the different world leaders. Um and uh. And I
Speaker 1: guess the interesting thing is you have family dynamics that
Speaker 1: are always kind of the um wrench in it. It's
Speaker 1: a wrench when you know there's a child who's out
Speaker 1: of wedlock, who's a child of a president, or it's
Speaker 1: a you know what, it's a an issue if it's
Speaker 1: a child that's a little bit of strange. So Um,
Speaker 1: those protocol things are always dealt with very delicately. But
Speaker 1: to your point, they're just pulling the trigger on a
Speaker 1: plan that's already been drawn up. Right, this this was
Speaker 1: should be they should Yeah, absolutely, the question is what's
Speaker 1: the current relationship between a father and son. You don't
Speaker 1: know that, right, Like what is I mean obviously you
Speaker 1: know you you have to balance all of those details,
Speaker 1: and so there may be some wrenches thrown in at
Speaker 1: the last moment, especially if the family members themselves throw
Speaker 1: in wrenches. You've taken Rick by her repeated uh endorsements
Speaker 1: of the democratic system, the American democratic system. It's kind
Speaker 1: of it's interesting she could say things that a politician
Speaker 1: could not say on her visits here. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that she's got historical standing, right and um, and I
Speaker 1: think she can actually, um give us the best of
Speaker 1: what we are from a distance. I mean, it almost
Speaker 1: takes your neighbor to tell you how good your lawn looks.
Speaker 1: You know, you're just seeing the weeds and uh. And
Speaker 1: so I think that's a really important role for people
Speaker 1: like the queen. Over this period of time, she held
Speaker 1: some standing because of her longevity that um that you
Speaker 1: don't get the first two weeks you're in that post.
Speaker 1: So I think that it's one of those things where
Speaker 1: sometimes we're tougher on ourselves than others tend to be
Speaker 1: in and and her fascination with the American experiment, especially
Speaker 1: in democracy, is something that that I think we could
Speaker 1: we could really remember right now as a very positive
Speaker 1: that she saw us as the best of what we are,
Speaker 1: not not sometimes making that sausage. It's really well put.
Speaker 1: Rick she was. She loved telling the story about John
Speaker 1: adams first visit back to the UK in the summer
Speaker 1: of seventeen, John Adams, America's first envoid to the courtis
Speaker 1: and James Paigees first call on King George the Third,
Speaker 1: my ancestor said to him, in well known words which
Speaker 1: are worth repeating, I was the last man in the
Speaker 1: Kingdom to consent to the separation. But the separation having
Speaker 1: been made, I have always said, as I say now,
Speaker 1: that I would be the first to meet the friendship
Speaker 1: of the United States as an independent power. So why
Speaker 1: she's still popular here in America, Joanna in a way
Speaker 1: that a prime minister probably could not be that and
Speaker 1: just her grace, I mean truly she I think that
Speaker 1: that is when she was first coming to power, she
Speaker 1: didn't have a long history, so there wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: you couldn't kind of cast her one way or another.
Speaker 1: And over the course of her leadership she really maintained
Speaker 1: that um that composure that I think was really important.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, certainly, obviously Americans we love
Speaker 1: when people love us because we love ourselves so much.
Speaker 1: We love America. So when she, you know, comes over
Speaker 1: and flatters us about America, a hundred percent on board.
Speaker 1: But I think it was more than that. I think
Speaker 1: there are so many people who saw her grace through
Speaker 1: some of the most challenging times as um as something
Speaker 1: that to the point earlier, you know, we want from
Speaker 1: some of our politics, if we could have some more
Speaker 1: grace for each other, maybe it would be a little
Speaker 1: bit better. Does this make of the new prime minister's
Speaker 1: job more difficult or easier? Since hey, you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the first year of school, everybody's new,
Speaker 1: we we're all getting to know each other. Well, it
Speaker 1: certainly adds a lot of different logistics. Right, there are
Speaker 1: things that this Prime Minister uh is going to have
Speaker 1: to do in the next two weeks that wasn't on
Speaker 1: the original stocket, right, I mean, so her schedule will
Speaker 1: change dramatically, But it is an opportunity to sort of
Speaker 1: get into the job in a very soft way when
Speaker 1: everyone's looking in a different direction, right, and they should
Speaker 1: be right. They're going to remember the queen and her
Speaker 1: accomplishments and her impact just the way we're talking about it.
Speaker 1: That's going to go on for a month or so,
Speaker 1: and and and that's not a bad way to sort
Speaker 1: of get a nice walking start. Otherwise she's thrown into
Speaker 1: the pile of political debates on the economy, on on Brexitch,
Speaker 1: on on COVID. I mean, just the mass of issues
Speaker 1: that are going to hit a new prime minister in
Speaker 1: a situation where the UK finds itself in today is overwhelming.
Speaker 1: And maybe this is actually a little chance to get
Speaker 1: and get to know your your cabinet a little bit better.
Speaker 1: By the time all this clears, you know, she should
Speaker 1: be pretty well organized. Makes a lot of sense. Rick
Speaker 1: Davis and Joanna Maasca are with us for the course
Speaker 1: of the hour our panel on this special edition of
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On. I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington. This is
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On a special edition as we take a
Speaker 1: look at everything that we've learned in just the last
Speaker 1: couple of hours since the passing of Queen Elizabeth the Second.
Speaker 1: A statement issued from the White House that we are
Speaker 1: waiting to hear remarks from President Biden. And we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking momentarily with David Smith, the Washington d C
Speaker 1: Bureau Chief at the Guardian, of course as well, bringing
Speaker 1: you back to some significant moments that the Queen spent
Speaker 1: here in Washington, d C. Over the course of thirteen administrations,
Speaker 1: and we suspect that the King will continue that trend
Speaker 1: in that tradition by coming here to meet with President Biden.
Speaker 1: Of course, so many presidents spent time with the Queen
Speaker 1: and one of the best relationships that she really ever
Speaker 1: formed was with Ronald Reagan, if you remember them riding
Speaker 1: horses together when he and Nancy went to spend the
Speaker 1: night at Windsor Castle. They of course hosted the Queen
Speaker 1: at the White House as well. Ladies and gentlemen, happily,
Speaker 1: I'm conscious of the honor that is ours tonight. I
Speaker 1: ask you to join me in a toast to her
Speaker 1: majesty the Queen. She had, of course great words for
Speaker 1: him as well, and the Reagans hosted the Queen and
Speaker 1: Philip at their ranch in California. Why don't we bring
Speaker 1: the panel back in. Rick Davis is with us here,
Speaker 1: of course, Republican strategist and Bloomberg Politics contributor, joined today
Speaker 1: by Johanna Mascot, Democratic strategist and CEO of the Global
Speaker 1: Situation Room, where actually had a chance to meet the
Speaker 1: Queen when she was traveling with the Obama administration. Johanna,
Speaker 1: is that like a big greening line or do you
Speaker 1: actually get a chance to have a quick word with
Speaker 1: the queen when you're in an environment like that? No, No,
Speaker 1: it was she was actually waiting in protocol order hasn't
Speaker 1: Obama was coming up to the um uh in the
Speaker 1: car and so it was really just standing there talking
Speaker 1: very briefly before they you know, did the handshake in
Speaker 1: front of all of the press and so um know
Speaker 1: it is you. You You In my job, I got to
Speaker 1: be a fly on the wall and see all of
Speaker 1: this and just imagining her, you know, with all of
Speaker 1: this protocol around her for the many years of her life,
Speaker 1: I mean truly from when she was a child in
Speaker 1: her twenties. Um beyond uh it you see someone and
Speaker 1: you see that responsibility that she took so seriously up
Speaker 1: close and it's um it must have been an incredible
Speaker 1: life but also a very difficult life. No, doubt about it,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. When you consider the idea of the
Speaker 1: new king uh making his first speech here, is this
Speaker 1: like preparing a political address in the United States, Rick,
Speaker 1: or is this a very different job? Well, some of
Speaker 1: us is driven by protocol. Um. You know, there's been
Speaker 1: thousands of years of practice, you know, and handing off uh,
Speaker 1: these kinds of titles and and what you go through.
Speaker 1: And it's not the time to shake something up, right
Speaker 1: when when you've given a speech in the United States
Speaker 1: it's political, you're trying to make press. Um. Uh. In
Speaker 1: a situation like this, you're trying to avoid making press
Speaker 1: because that means you've messed up and uh. And so
Speaker 1: this is ceremonial, right, This is not meant to convey um,
Speaker 1: you know, a point of view other than the fact
Speaker 1: that you have this monarchy. You have these royals. They
Speaker 1: serve a purpose within the UK and and and and
Speaker 1: and this is what they're supposed to do, right, They're
Speaker 1: supposed to do these you know, jubilees in a way
Speaker 1: that people all around the world want to see them
Speaker 1: and come to their country and visit. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the greatest chamber of commerce ever created by man. You know,
Speaker 1: and and and so of course we're gonna be riveted
Speaker 1: because everyone is interested in the pomp um circumstance. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's it's things that storybooks are made of, and yet
Speaker 1: this is in real life. So the hope is that
Speaker 1: this goes without any kind of problems, and you know,
Speaker 1: everything is smooth and easy, and it's dramatic and beautiful,
Speaker 1: and it helps pull the country and maybe the other
Speaker 1: parts of the world together for a moment um and
Speaker 1: uh in sort of common grief and expectation of a
Speaker 1: new king. So I wouldn't I don't think we want
Speaker 1: to overthink it as as if it's going to have
Speaker 1: an immediate impact on policy. I mean, obviously the new king,
Speaker 1: King Charles the Third, has points of view on all
Speaker 1: range of issues, including the climate and architecture. And you know,
Speaker 1: will he make these things a part of his mandate
Speaker 1: or his uh his his his kingship. Who knows? Um
Speaker 1: all that we have to wait and see. When we
Speaker 1: consider the planning for the funeral of Joanna, this is
Speaker 1: going to be unheralded security I presume right with this,
Speaker 1: this will be the largest collection of world leaders. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess outside of of of A G twenty. Oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean and obviously the you can do this, UM.
Speaker 1: I remember when we were planning for funerals and what
Speaker 1: President Obama was doing. We were all waiting. UM. Obviously
Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela's health was going downhill and we all knew
Speaker 1: that and UM. And if you look at that, you
Speaker 1: know it should have had some of the best security
Speaker 1: in the world and yet UM, and there were some
Speaker 1: so many issues there. I don't think you're going to
Speaker 1: have the same problem in the UK, UM. But I
Speaker 1: do think that when they're they're planning for this, they're obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, planning as much as it is a funeral,
Speaker 1: it's about Britain. It's about their um continued strength as
Speaker 1: a nation, and so they're going to be trying to UM,
Speaker 1: you know, make sure that everyone is seeing that in
Speaker 1: every possible way, with music and with UM you know,
Speaker 1: ceremony and UM and with UH the guards and everything
Speaker 1: that you can expect out of out of the Brits
Speaker 1: and UM. So I'm sure that it will be an
Speaker 1: incredible show. I guess the question is, you know, for
Speaker 1: me looking at this, UM, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of worry in the US about the change world order
Speaker 1: and whether there could be a change world order. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're already worried about a China that's um showing itself
Speaker 1: as a rival to the US and to you know,
Speaker 1: all of these dynamics, and so I think there's going
Speaker 1: to be a lot of um also, uh, a little
Speaker 1: bit of a fear of what this means for our future. UM.
Speaker 1: And I think that actually President Trump has tapped into
Speaker 1: some of that fear. And I think we've got to
Speaker 1: be very careful. I'm going to be interested to see
Speaker 1: what Republicans and Democrats say about this. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: I don't I wouldn't put too much in the monarch. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth was an incredible monarch, but um, the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister is very important. And I actually think, to Rick's point,
Speaker 1: this is a perfect opportunity for her to come in
Speaker 1: and um and really get to lead the country, because
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would have wanted a Boris Johnson
Speaker 1: on his way out overseeing this. So much better to
Speaker 1: have a fresh start in the UK and UM, this
Speaker 1: can be that sure, this this funeral is going to
Speaker 1: be like a NATO meeting. Rick, when you consider who's
Speaker 1: going to be on the invite list, but there could
Speaker 1: be some careful omissions depending on your relationship. For instance,
Speaker 1: and I think to Joanna's point here with Russia and China,
Speaker 1: sure I wouldn't imagine, even though it might be part
Speaker 1: of the protocol that that Vladimir Putin is going to
Speaker 1: get an invite, you know, to the funeral. Well, I
Speaker 1: hope not. Uh. And he was honored with a dinner
Speaker 1: at Buckingham Palace, that's right. A couple of years ago
Speaker 1: have been that that bizarre no, and uh, but time
Speaker 1: changes everything and this time is very different than than
Speaker 1: at that point in time. So um, these will be
Speaker 1: the thing as they have to struggle with, right. And
Speaker 1: obviously you know that the relationship with China is even
Speaker 1: more complex because it's a big trading partner. You know,
Speaker 1: there's competition for them. And yet you know, we knew
Speaker 1: know that some of that competition, uh, you know is dangerous.
Speaker 1: It's it could affect the world order, as John I mentioned,
Speaker 1: So yeah, and and and and by the way, within
Speaker 1: your own commonwealth. Uh, you know, there are challenges with
Speaker 1: some of these leaders who may not have as much
Speaker 1: commitment to democracy as um as we do here in
Speaker 1: the United States that they do in Britain. So it
Speaker 1: means Joe Biden is going to have a meeting with
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister sooner than he thought though, doesn't it sure?
Speaker 1: And we would hope that that actually would be part
Speaker 1: of what helps her, right It's another boost up for
Speaker 1: her to be able to get to embrace from the
Speaker 1: United States and other countries in Europe at a time
Speaker 1: when you know, maybe she would have been left out
Speaker 1: in the cold for a while to see as she does.
Speaker 1: So this is this is an opportunity for her to
Speaker 1: really cast in in in a positive way at a
Speaker 1: time of grief, um to get a good launch and
Speaker 1: into her administration. There was talk of the two meeting
Speaker 1: President Biden and Prime Minister trust Joanna Off on the
Speaker 1: sidelines kind of at the at the u N. But
Speaker 1: this would be I'm sure a much more focused and
Speaker 1: much more a well covered event when they when they
Speaker 1: meet for the first time on what I presume will
Speaker 1: be his visit in ten days to London. Well, and
Speaker 1: that actually goes right into the u N. So I
Speaker 1: am sure that the White House is right now scrambling
Speaker 1: all of its plans that it had because all of
Speaker 1: those things are planned well in advance. I mean, the
Speaker 1: National Security Advisor is working on who they're meeting with,
Speaker 1: especially when we're trying to build coalitions to continue the
Speaker 1: war against Putin's aggression, the genocide that Putin is overseeing.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the White House absolutely is now
Speaker 1: you know, trying to change all of these plans because
Speaker 1: the week of the nineteen they're supposed to be in
Speaker 1: New York for the UN General Assembly. And so if
Speaker 1: we look in ten days from now, um it is
Speaker 1: it's uh it Obviously he's going to have to meet
Speaker 1: with the British Prime Minister um. But there are a
Speaker 1: lot of meetings that they're probably trying to figure out
Speaker 1: where is it going to take place? How true, boy,
Speaker 1: there is just the logistics are daunting when you consider, uh,
Speaker 1: the next ten days here lastly, Rick though you see
Speaker 1: the President and the Vice President going, how many other
Speaker 1: officials from Washington are there, the Speaker of the House
Speaker 1: and who else? You know. It'll it'll be dictated by
Speaker 1: protocol and um and and so that's it really, and
Speaker 1: it will be limited by accessibility, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: and not everybody's going to be able to travel, so uh, myke.
Speaker 1: My guess is, uh, it'll be most of official Washington.
Speaker 1: You know who makes the first cut and and and
Speaker 1: this is not going to be seen by anybody I
Speaker 1: believe in any kind of um partisan fashion. Right, there's
Speaker 1: no political advantage to stiffing the Brits and not going
Speaker 1: to the funeral or otherwise. And uh so, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe we can take a little breath in the middle
Speaker 1: of a midterm election and say, you know, let's all
Speaker 1: get on the same plane and go over and and
Speaker 1: play nice for at least forty eight hours. Rick Davis
Speaker 1: and Joannabasca thank you for the great panel and the
Speaker 1: great conversation on a special edition of Bloomberg Sound On.
Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. Imagine. She's pretty nice girl,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't have a lot to say. Man, she's
Speaker 1: a pretty nice girl, but you changed from day to day.
Speaker 1: I want to tell her a lover a lot, but
Speaker 1: I gotta got a belly full of wine. Man, she's
Speaker 1: a pretty nice girls. Some damn want to make a mine.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, some damn want to make a mind