Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with Iheartradiots and Katie.
Speaker 2: We're talking about how Guermo watched episode one oh three
Speaker 2: Hell Half No Fury twice yesterday, once today, and it's
Speaker 2: on in the background currently as we are recording this podcast.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: Yes, when I've watched this episode now a few times,
Speaker 2: I'm just like this sucks, Like this is so awful.
Speaker 2: I don't want to explore these feelings. I feel this
Speaker 2: like massive weight of responsibility where it's like, Okay, if
Speaker 2: I'm going to breed and contribute a human being to
Speaker 2: our fucked up society, the least I can do is
Speaker 2: hope that they only add goodness and don't take it away.
Speaker 2: And I mean my mom sort of, I mean, my
Speaker 2: brother was like, is the best fucking dude. I know,
Speaker 2: you know him, he's the best, but like he was
Speaker 2: such a fucked up teenager, Like he did such fucked
Speaker 2: up shit. He did not fucking rape a girl, thank
Speaker 2: you God, but like he definitely fucking sold fucking marijuana
Speaker 2: and did dumb shit, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: my mom was like at the end of her room
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 1: And look how well he turned out. Yeah, he did.
Speaker 2: Turn out well. I feel like, does your mom ever
Speaker 2: think that, Like your mom had three boys?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Plus we grew up, you know, in the
Speaker 1: eighties in New York City, where when in Washington Heights,
Speaker 1: when the city was just like a ball of crime,
Speaker 1: a snow globe of crime. It was just the worst,
Speaker 1: you know, so I can imagine. But they also, you know,
Speaker 1: they had really no you know, my we were kind
Speaker 1: of latchkey kids, and they had to work twenty four
Speaker 1: to seven, and they just had a trust that they
Speaker 1: you know, instilled the right sort of value, you know,
Speaker 1: thing values and all of that in us and and
Speaker 1: just sort of trust and let us go and and
Speaker 1: you know, luckily we're somewhat okay.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite facts about Ghermo Diaz growing up
Speaker 2: in such a fucking rough time and rough neighborhood. Tell
Speaker 2: me if this is wrong. This is what it is
Speaker 2: in my head every time there's a close up of
Speaker 2: the back of Huck's head. Oh yeah, I love it
Speaker 2: so much because you have this scar back there, because
Speaker 2: didn't you get hit with a gun?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't believe you remember that.
Speaker 2: Oh I think of it every time I see the
Speaker 2: back every and since I've been watching all these episodes,
Speaker 2: and they you're always hacking huk and they're always zooming
Speaker 2: in on the back of your computer, and I always
Speaker 2: see that little bump on the back of your head.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes, I got mugged in front of
Speaker 1: my building in Washington Heights at like eleven o'clock at night,
Speaker 1: at gunpoint. They held the gun up to my head
Speaker 1: and were like, give me. I had like a flight
Speaker 1: jacket and like a ring, like this cheap ring, and
Speaker 1: they took my jacket in the ring and then they
Speaker 1: told me to turn around, and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: this is it?
Speaker 2: Like you thought you were going to die?
Speaker 3: Oh of course.
Speaker 1: But somehow, you know how they say, you get super
Speaker 1: like calm in those in those moments of like complete
Speaker 1: you know, where you would you would assume that you'd
Speaker 1: be really scared and it would just be full on fear.
Speaker 1: I got really zen and really calm and just turned
Speaker 1: around and then he just ended up hitting me with
Speaker 1: the gun in the back of the head. And that's
Speaker 1: what that what that scar is. I can't believe you
Speaker 1: remember that.
Speaker 2: Did you have to get stitches?
Speaker 1: No? I just went upstairs and my head was bleeding
Speaker 1: and my mother was like, oh shit and put like
Speaker 1: a towel and some ice.
Speaker 3: Like they didn't even take me to the hospital.
Speaker 1: But you know, it was just it was a small
Speaker 1: it was a you know, a pretty small. I was
Speaker 1: like seventeen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: That is crazy. And where do you fall in line
Speaker 2: of the brothers?
Speaker 1: I'm the youngest. Yeah, so I have two older brothers. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's why we work so well together, by the way,
Speaker 2: is because I have this theory that every couple that
Speaker 2: works out really well, they're not the same in birth order.
Speaker 2: So I'm the oldest and you're the me. I'm the oldest,
Speaker 2: and Adam's the baby in his family. Oh sh like
Speaker 2: I just if you go around and ask people who
Speaker 2: are in loving relationships like me and Giermo Diaz, it's
Speaker 2: because I'm the older and you're the baby, not that
Speaker 2: you not that we form that that you're necessarily act
Speaker 2: like the youngest around me or not because you're no.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, yeah shut up. Yeah no. I love
Speaker 1: that theory. Yeah, that's that's interesting. That makes sense. I mean,
Speaker 1: it makes sense.
Speaker 2: Let's let's do this this stuff, and we should like
Speaker 2: do this stuff? Gee, we should like to fucking say
Speaker 2: what's on this fucking paper? And on this fucking paper
Speaker 2: it says we're talking about episode one of three, which
Speaker 2: was titled Hell Hath No Fury. It aired on April
Speaker 2: nineteenth of twenty twelve. It was written by Matt Byrne,
Speaker 2: which we will circle back on this, and it was directed.
Speaker 3: By Alice Brown.
Speaker 2: Yes, so much to say about both of these. Gee,
Speaker 2: do you want to give me the synopsis? In Scandalpace?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, here we go. Millionaire CEO Sandra
Speaker 1: Harding contracts OPA with helping her aunt. I went over this.
Speaker 3: So many times before we started, and of course now
Speaker 3: I'm like.
Speaker 2: Oh, our Scandalpace might be out of practice. But as
Speaker 2: we continue this, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go. Millionaire CEO Sandra Harding contracts OPA
Speaker 1: with helping on her son Travis's trial for rape. Ahmeda.
Speaker 1: Tanner's only demands is a five minute meeting with the
Speaker 1: President and the White House gets hit with another scandal
Speaker 1: and audio sex tape Dicyrus believes to be sent from
Speaker 1: Olivia as blackmail.
Speaker 2: And we have guest starring JoBeth Williams of Sandra hard
Speaker 2: and Curtis Armstrong as Attorney call Michael Cassidy is Travis Harding.
Speaker 2: Mina Baddy is assistant US attorney Jane Powell. Jerica Hinton
Speaker 2: has Hannah, the doctor who delivers this amazing speech to Harrison.
Speaker 2: By the way, Jerka Hinton plays Stephanie Edwards and Grays
Speaker 2: and Natie. We're going to get to all of that. Yes,
Speaker 2: this episode, I think that the guest stars between Joe
Speaker 2: Beth Williams and Michael Cassidy were fucking incredible.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, this is this episode. I watched it
Speaker 1: a bunch, but it was also like every time I
Speaker 1: got something new, I got something new out of it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I was so starstruck with these guest
Speaker 1: stars because Joe Beeth Williams was the mother in Poltergeist
Speaker 1: and Poltergeist Too. She played Diane Freeling and she is
Speaker 1: freaking as everyone knows. I'm a huge horror film fan
Speaker 1: and so be.
Speaker 2: Around freaking out on set.
Speaker 3: I don't know this, my god.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think I was maybe honestly with Joe Beth.
Speaker 1: I knew she was doing the episode, and I think
Speaker 1: I saw her like by the trailers. But I don't
Speaker 1: think we have had many scenes together. She might have
Speaker 1: been like in the office when you know, hucking Quinn
Speaker 1: and those guys were there, So I think I was
Speaker 1: kind of around her, but I didn't really interact with
Speaker 1: her on the show. But also, yeah, freaking amazing. And
Speaker 1: also our other guest star plays attorney Cole. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Booger from Revenge of the Nerds.
Speaker 2: Man guys Booger for Revenge of the fucking Nerds. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm rewatching this episode last night for today and Adam's like,
Speaker 2: that's Booger, and I'm like, oh my god, yeah, that
Speaker 2: is Booger.
Speaker 1: If you're an eighties kid like like I am, and
Speaker 1: you know, Katie's younger than I, but you remember Revenge
Speaker 1: of the Nerds like you write, and Booger like he.
Speaker 2: Was, of course. And this is such a testament to
Speaker 2: Linda Lowie, our casting director who's married to Jeff Perry,
Speaker 2: who played Cyrus, Like yes, yes, God, the guest stars
Speaker 2: were so fucking great on this show. And honestly, the
Speaker 2: guest stars have to carry oh yeah, the a story
Speaker 2: like they have a lot of times, these guest stars
Speaker 2: and g and I, you know, God, we've been around
Speaker 2: in this biz, and like we've had to be like
Speaker 2: the lead guest stars on episodics before. Like, I know,
Speaker 2: you've done all the fucking law and orders.
Speaker 1: I've done all the.
Speaker 2: Without a traces and cold cases and all that. It
Speaker 2: is a tough job. I mean, you're working every day
Speaker 2: for nine days. You are crying, you are getting rapes,
Speaker 2: you are getting abducted, you are.
Speaker 1: You're talking a ghost. You are a ghost, remember you
Speaker 1: on ghost Whisper I was. And also you're coming into
Speaker 1: this world of actors that you know, have been doing
Speaker 1: the show for her however many seasons. Yeah, so you're
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, you feel like a fish out
Speaker 1: of water sort of in the beginning. And then and
Speaker 1: then you you know, you get your traction and then
Speaker 1: it flows and then it gets easier. But you're just
Speaker 1: coming into this world where everyone knows each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a well oiled machine the show usually, and
Speaker 1: so you just want to go in and like impress.
Speaker 3: So it's a tough job.
Speaker 1: I remember always we were always so kind to our
Speaker 1: guest stars. I remember always saying to them, welcome, We're
Speaker 1: so excited you're here, Like we're we're all so so
Speaker 1: kind because I think of the fact that we all
Speaker 1: have done so many guest star roles, right, so we
Speaker 1: know how it is to feel when someone is not
Speaker 1: sort of inviting or warmed to you on set.
Speaker 2: And I think this leans into Seanda having like that
Speaker 2: no asshole policy. Yes, she had a no asshole policy
Speaker 2: where when she hired the series regulars of the show,
Speaker 2: she supposedly called our previous X bosses to sort of
Speaker 2: vouch for us and make sure that we weren't dicks.
Speaker 2: But yes, a lot of us also fucking come from
Speaker 2: theater and are major ensemble people. So when the guest
Speaker 2: star is coming in and has to do all this
Speaker 2: heavy lifting and literally sit at the OPA conference table
Speaker 2: sobbing their eyes out or whatever, I felt like we
Speaker 2: were all like and talk.
Speaker 3: It's candle pace.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the directors were like, you got
Speaker 1: to pick it up, pick up the pace.
Speaker 2: Oh God, could you imagine if I was guest starring
Speaker 2: on our show, I would have been shitting bricks.
Speaker 3: And you were say, how I've always been a big preparer.
Speaker 1: I think I was, But then do you remember towards
Speaker 1: the end of like the series, we'd all roll up
Speaker 1: to OPA and be like, what's like have you looked
Speaker 1: at the scene, And we'd be like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I guess let's look at it, let's read it like
Speaker 1: you know, and they were setting up like I know.
Speaker 2: But what's so fucking crazy about scandal and episodic TV,
Speaker 2: I think in general is that, like your brain is
Speaker 2: a muscle, so like if you do ten crunches a day,
Speaker 2: in a few weeks, you can do one hundred or whatever.
Speaker 2: But it's the same with fucking memorizing lines. It's like
Speaker 2: if you do it for eight years or however long
Speaker 2: we were doing it, we would got so good at
Speaker 2: the end that it actually made no sense to sit
Speaker 2: at home and sort.
Speaker 1: Of do it in a bad thank you exactly. We
Speaker 1: all started to realize that we could just go over
Speaker 1: I mean, of course we'd look at it at home
Speaker 1: and read the script and all of that, of course,
Speaker 1: but then we didn't need as much time preparing now
Speaker 1: to learn the lines. We'd go over it a few
Speaker 1: times and then have it memorized like completely.
Speaker 2: So we would always come on to set and like run.
Speaker 2: We knew that the best way to learn it was
Speaker 2: actually with each other, yes, and we would drill it
Speaker 2: on like lighting setups or set changes in the hair
Speaker 2: and makeup trailer. But you were really good at like
Speaker 2: even a big fucking chunks, you and Josh Molina, Like
Speaker 2: I think, I know you say you've got a stoner brain,
Speaker 2: and you do, and I love it so much. But
Speaker 2: like you were really good memorizing a lot of shit.
Speaker 3: I had like pages of a monologue like that.
Speaker 1: I definitely like went over it over and over and
Speaker 1: over the night before because that you can't mess around
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: Do you've run lines while you're like pacing or you
Speaker 2: just like sitting in your secret room.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Mikey would run lines with me, my partner, he
Speaker 1: would he would run lines with me, and I would
Speaker 1: do it in front of him and just do it
Speaker 1: over and over and over and then you know, and
Speaker 1: then I you know, keep drilling it until I got
Speaker 1: it in my brain.
Speaker 3: But yeah, if we had long monologues like.
Speaker 1: That, especially that we had to talk so fast, you know,
Speaker 1: you got to make sure you're on point.
Speaker 2: Yes, one more thing on this and then we're getting
Speaker 2: to the official shit of episode one of three. But
Speaker 2: I know we talked about last episode scandal pace. It
Speaker 2: was such a thing. But like also and do you
Speaker 2: remember this gee, Like Shonda at the very beginning of
Speaker 2: the show said how you say is up to you,
Speaker 2: but what you say is up to me.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, So we.
Speaker 2: Could never say an of or a the or like
Speaker 2: improv a little bit like I've been on other jobs
Speaker 2: since Scandal where it's like, you know, you just like
Speaker 2: add a button or whatever the fuck, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: we never went off script.
Speaker 1: Didn't in the very beginnings. I think it was Henry
Speaker 1: ian Cusick who emailed Shawna was like can I say
Speaker 1: this instead? And she was like no, or I don't
Speaker 1: know what she says, but it was like it was
Speaker 1: like a hard, cold, like hell no, like say what
Speaker 1: I wrote.
Speaker 2: When we have him on, we have to ask him.
Speaker 2: But I remember him having a really fucking hard time
Speaker 2: because he was coming off of like eight years on Lost.
Speaker 2: And I remember having conversations with him the first season
Speaker 2: of Scandal where he was like, you don't even know,
Speaker 2: like we would show up in the fucking woods of
Speaker 2: Hawaii shooting Lost and like no one knew their lines.
Speaker 2: It wasn't it wasn't about that, Like it was just
Speaker 2: about like breathing heavy and running and like being afraid
Speaker 2: and like sort of like saying some shit that kind
Speaker 2: of didn't make sense anyway, because Lost wasn't about like
Speaker 2: exact plot and character like, so he was coming into
Speaker 2: something being like, wait, I have to like say exactly, yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly was on the page.
Speaker 1: But what's so brilliant about Shanda and the Scandal writers
Speaker 1: was that if you missed an of or threw in
Speaker 1: an extra the or whatever, and uh, it's like messing up.
Speaker 1: It's like poetry, like saying the words. It's written so well.
Speaker 1: And we always talked about how if something's written really well,
Speaker 1: then it's really easy to memorize and to say, so
Speaker 1: if if you added something or took something out, it
Speaker 1: didn't flow as well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've never had an easier time memorizing than Scandal.
Speaker 1: Same.
Speaker 2: So the beginning of this episode, I felt like this
Speaker 2: is so fucking cool, like we're saying cool again, and
Speaker 2: it's because it's going in to get the little shitty,
Speaker 2: spoiled piece of shit kid played by Michael Cassidy, who's
Speaker 2: just bone this like hot blonde chick. They're all fucking hungover.
Speaker 2: He's late to his court trial. Olivia comes in, wakey, wakey,
Speaker 2: you know, and the music is playing, and she sort
Speaker 2: of convinces the girl he was sleeping with to walk
Speaker 2: out of the door with Harrison hiding, thinking that it's
Speaker 2: you know, Michael Cassidy's role, Travis.
Speaker 1: Yeh. She sneaks him out the back.
Speaker 2: And Harrison is so cool.
Speaker 1: He's so cool, He's always so cool. And and what
Speaker 1: stuck out in this episode two is the I mean,
Speaker 1: of course there's music, and the music is amazing in
Speaker 1: every episode, but in this in this episode, that music
Speaker 1: is just that song is just playing over that whole
Speaker 1: sort of intro. Yes, right, and even it's not only
Speaker 1: music without lyrics, it's music with lyrics over dialogue, which
Speaker 1: is kind of like, oh shit, but it works so
Speaker 1: so well.
Speaker 3: It's so it's so classic scandal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the beginning was such a classic Scandal. I loved
Speaker 2: it so much, and I felt like, oh God, when
Speaker 2: I come back, like, if I ever get to play
Speaker 2: a cool character, I think I will. Do you think
Speaker 2: Quinn got cool?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Quinn so cool? Dude? Oh hell yeah. When
Speaker 1: you started wearing your leathers and your black boots, I
Speaker 1: know you got so cool.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I felt like in her heart She's
Speaker 2: still such a fucking turd.
Speaker 1: Aren't we all though we're all turds at heart. I
Speaker 1: think all of that.
Speaker 2: We take a moment to discuss what we're wearing on
Speaker 2: our heads, yes, and then we'll get more into the episode.
Speaker 2: She and I wore our gladiator in a suit, long sleeve, comfy,
Speaker 2: a little too tight, don't put it in the dryer shirts.
Speaker 2: And today I text you this morning, I'm like, what
Speaker 2: are we wearing today and what do you have on.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm thinking of wearing my beanie,
Speaker 1: my black beanie that I bought in the White House
Speaker 1: gift shop. And we went to the White House Correspondence dinner.
Speaker 2: Why did I buy stationary?
Speaker 1: I bought a beanie?
Speaker 2: So cool?
Speaker 1: I bought a beanie. I bought a backpack. But we're
Speaker 1: fucking sporting it now and chilling.
Speaker 2: My scandal hat is really not cute. I love it,
Speaker 2: but I think it is not a great hat. I
Speaker 2: apologize to anyone who got who got this from I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I gave it away.
Speaker 3: It's cute.
Speaker 1: It's a white beanie, and it's a scandal. It scandal
Speaker 1: white Gladiator.
Speaker 2: It's a white beanie, which just is not the right
Speaker 2: color for a beanie. A white beanie is not great.
Speaker 2: Like it's weird. You sweat in your head, there's dance
Speaker 2: like your head is gross. I make up on my forehead.
Speaker 2: So to have a white hat on is Oh, isn't
Speaker 2: that funny? Because our show White did they the hat
Speaker 2: says scandal and red and then gladiators in black underneath
Speaker 2: your head hot.
Speaker 3: My head is so hot. I'm going to be pulling
Speaker 3: this shit off in like so hot.
Speaker 2: Whenever you need to just let your head breathe, ge,
Speaker 2: just let it flow. The coolest part about Scandal, there
Speaker 2: are so many things, but we got to go on
Speaker 2: the most epic trips. We got to go to two
Speaker 2: White House Correspondent dinners, both under Obama as president. And
Speaker 2: it was the most amazing fun time. With the hat
Speaker 2: you got from the first trip or the second trip.
Speaker 1: It was from the first one. Yeah. And also we
Speaker 1: were on the hottest like political show on television, so
Speaker 1: all of us in DC like there for the correspondence dinner.
Speaker 1: It was just it was it was so surreal and
Speaker 1: meeting all these political figures and celebrities and like you
Speaker 1: know people that were like Aretha Franklin was like, I
Speaker 1: love your show, and it was just like wild to
Speaker 1: be around.
Speaker 2: Why people, you know what I mean, It's the closest
Speaker 2: I always equate it to like, it's like the closest
Speaker 2: to being probably like what the Beatles felt like. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we talked about it before that you can't go anywhere,
Speaker 2: but I sort of can. But when you drop the
Speaker 2: Scandal cast as a group into DC, when we were on,
Speaker 2: it was like we were the fucking Beatles.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was dangerous.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, insane And.
Speaker 2: One of the most memorable nights of my life I
Speaker 2: want to say is when we were there. Oh I
Speaker 2: think this was the last time, but whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk about anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was the time we went We
Speaker 2: went as a cast kind of three times for two
Speaker 2: different White House Correspondence dinners, and then the last time
Speaker 2: we went to shoot the penultimate episode there. Yes, and
Speaker 2: again we could never go anywhere as a group without
Speaker 2: being completely I mean, it was not safe. But Carrie
Speaker 2: had this idea that was, like, I love all of
Speaker 2: the Washington monuments and all of the monuments at night,
Speaker 2: and so we got like two escalades that followed each
Speaker 2: other and it was pouring rain, so actually no one
Speaker 2: was around and the h and freezing, and the whole
Speaker 2: scandal cast like jumped around from like the Jefferson Memorial
Speaker 2: to the Lincoln Memorial, to the Washington Memorial to the
Speaker 2: Einstein A statue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all at.
Speaker 2: Night while we were just chugging whistle pig whiskey out
Speaker 2: of the fucking bottles to keep us warm.
Speaker 1: And we did photo shoots in front of all the
Speaker 1: monuments we got, you know, we got out and videoed
Speaker 1: each other and took pictures and yeah, and we were
Speaker 1: drinking whistle pig whiskey, which and then later on Bellamy
Speaker 1: I think it was Bellamy, right, who got us all
Speaker 1: a bottle of whistle pig. I still have it in
Speaker 1: my kitchen. Oh yeah, I haven't opened it.
Speaker 2: I drank that shit you Okay, So Joebeth Williams is
Speaker 2: unbelievable in this episode and the things that neat that
Speaker 2: really struck out to me at the beginning. Okay, we've
Speaker 2: got so Sandra Harding is the case. Her son is
Speaker 2: saying there's a rape allegation against him from a woman
Speaker 2: named Helen Fisher. Olivia makes a deal with Gideon Wallace
Speaker 2: to keep the story quiet for seventy two hours and
Speaker 2: then he'll get an exclusive aman of Tanner tells Olivia
Speaker 2: that she has undeniable proof of the affair with fits Paz.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Amanda Tanner for a second. Weren't you
Speaker 2: a huge Gilmore Girls Van?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I still am. They play that shit
Speaker 1: like every single day like that.
Speaker 2: Have never seen an episode?
Speaker 1: Really talk about scandal pace, Katie. Those guys speak faster
Speaker 1: than we do. They speak so fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember auditioning for it, and oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: auditioned like a million times because it was like the
Speaker 2: Hot show when I moved out to la and I
Speaker 2: auditioned a million times and they would always make me
Speaker 2: speak really fast, and I'd be like, this is so
Speaker 2: easy for me, Like why am I not getting a
Speaker 2: part on the show? But I never got a part
Speaker 2: on that show?
Speaker 1: Their loss? Yeah. Oh.
Speaker 2: Amanda Tanner is played by Liza While Who who did
Speaker 2: she play on Gilmore Show?
Speaker 1: She played Paris on Gilmore Girls. She was like the biggest,
Speaker 1: like staunch, like bitch, like super smart, like went to Harvard,
Speaker 1: like angry, like the meanest like but she was Rory's
Speaker 1: best friend who's one of the lead characters on the show.
Speaker 2: Do you think Amanda Tanner is like a completely different
Speaker 2: character for Eliza than Paris.
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's why I was so great watching her play Amanda
Speaker 1: Tanner because I was like, this girl got ranged. You know,
Speaker 1: people say that all the time, but she the emotional
Speaker 1: places that Liza had to go playing Amanda Tanner was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think we all kind of
Speaker 1: are familiar with it a little bit because we all
Speaker 1: had to, you know, go through some serious stuff on
Speaker 1: the show as our characters. But she just does such
Speaker 1: a wonderful.
Speaker 2: Job speaking about you guys listening, Like Shondaland likes to
Speaker 2: sort of collect people, you know that they continue from
Speaker 2: project to project and things like that. And Liza, while
Speaker 2: at the time was married to Paul Adelstein, that's right,
Speaker 2: who well he was playing he played Leo Bergen, but
Speaker 2: he was originally the lead doctor on Private Practice, that's right,
Speaker 2: Which is why Shonda and Linda Lowie know Liza and
Speaker 2: I think this. I don't know if this is a
Speaker 2: secret or whatever, but whatever, Liza, I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 2: remember shooting scenes with her season one when she was
Speaker 2: playing a Manda Tanner, and I remember her being like,
Speaker 2: I auditioned for Quinn. No, yes, And I remember sitting
Speaker 2: there watching how fucking good she was and me being like,
Speaker 2: this makes no sense. I remember, oh, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I thank God in heaven and whoever the fuck you
Speaker 2: pray to It easily could have been Liza, like but anyway,
Speaker 2: I think Liza auditioned for Quinn and they just called
Speaker 2: her and said, no, we want you to be Amanda Tanner.
Speaker 1: Wow, we're gonna have her on and.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to ask and she'll tell us.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to have her on.
Speaker 2: But the other thing that happens in this episode that
Speaker 2: I need to talk about, I'm sorry, I'm interrupting you. Tommy.
Speaker 1: Oh no, not at all.
Speaker 2: That Tony Goldwin takes off his shirt.
Speaker 1: When he wakes up when he oversleeps.
Speaker 2: He's oversleeps, and Mellie is sitting in the fucking West
Speaker 2: wing where wherever they sleep, No, the private residence, I
Speaker 2: think is what it's called, yea, and Tony's sleeping and
Speaker 2: we're just gonna reserve the ride on this podcast. That
Speaker 2: whenever I call people their characters' names or their real names, whatever,
Speaker 2: get yeah, yeah, Tony's sleeping and he wakes up and he's.
Speaker 3: Like, what's happening? Mandela got up for me? Like Mandela
Speaker 3: is waiting for me.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: Because yes, he's in boxers and like a T shirt
Speaker 2: that he slept in, and he quickly takes off his
Speaker 2: T shirt and I was dumbfounded.
Speaker 1: He's pretty easy and eyes.
Speaker 2: What is going on with this human beings body like?
Speaker 1: But it's just not fair.
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I loved he is family. He
Speaker 2: drinks wine, he orders desserts, he eats carbohydrates. He just
Speaker 2: must also like eat like baby vampires or something that
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: Although, Katie, I remember during the table reads, I always
Speaker 1: remember Tony having ordering a salad. It was like from
Speaker 1: tender Greens and it was either the the tuna with
Speaker 1: you know, with the greens. I know, I'm so hungry, right,
Speaker 1: hungry too, Oh my god, let's talk about what we
Speaker 1: ate in a little bit. But I remember Tony always
Speaker 1: eating super super healthy. I think it's him. And then
Speaker 1: you know, when Scott Foley comes into the picture, when
Speaker 1: Jake comes into the picture, they always knew they were
Speaker 1: like at the drop of a hat that were like
Speaker 1: you gotta take your shirt off.
Speaker 3: You know you're gonna have sex. Would have lived or
Speaker 3: someone else. So I think that I feel like.
Speaker 1: They were always super super prepared.
Speaker 2: Well, he looked out standing, even in those two minutes.
Speaker 2: I was like, God, if you were editing the episode,
Speaker 2: you must have been like, and Shaun is sitting there
Speaker 2: like putting the episodes together. She must have been like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well we can just rest assured that Tony should be
Speaker 2: topless in every sex scene for the next seven years.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's fine, Yes, But also that scene when he
Speaker 1: wakes up and he oversleeps.
Speaker 3: It reminded me.
Speaker 1: Wasn't Tony always sleeping on set? Like, wasn't he We'd
Speaker 1: always like catch him like asleep, like any chance he got,
Speaker 1: he was like sleeping.
Speaker 2: Why is he so tired?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm tired too.
Speaker 2: I am too. But you know what, maybe it's because
Speaker 2: he was fifty then, right, Like do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Like when we were shooting Scandal, I was
Speaker 2: twenty eight through like thirty six, whow and you were.
Speaker 1: I turned forty on the pilot. On the pilot, I
Speaker 1: turned forty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he was like because I think Tony's like
Speaker 2: sixty six or sixty seven. I think he can see
Speaker 2: mixed my yeah, I think he's six. Let's google it.
Speaker 1: Wait, I think he's like fifty eight or fifteen nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh am, I oh he oh am, I am
Speaker 2: completely wrong. Hold on. If he's he's sixty two.
Speaker 1: What oh shit? He looks good.
Speaker 2: I know, but so imagine at fifty two years old.
Speaker 2: You're not in fifty two yet. Gee. Imagine being on
Speaker 2: set with those hours. He was just so tired.
Speaker 3: She was tired, She got asleep.
Speaker 1: She was like, I got to sleep.
Speaker 2: I think him and Jeffy were constantly sleeping on set.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and jeff was always sleeping for sure. We'll be
Speaker 3: right back, guys.
Speaker 2: What other notes do you have?
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about maybe Alison Lady Brown, like our
Speaker 1: director for this episode.
Speaker 2: Let's give a whole fucking moment of silence, respect, love,
Speaker 2: and adoration for that woman.
Speaker 1: Alison Lady Brown came into Our Lives on Scandal and
Speaker 1: directed a whole bunch of episodes. I'm assuming this is
Speaker 1: the first episode she directed, right, Yeah, I think it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the loveliest woman, super chill, super funny, just so beautiful,
Speaker 1: just such a great, great director, and I think she
Speaker 1: came from directing a lot of stuff on like Nickelodeon right,
Speaker 1: a lot of like kid shows. So it was funny
Speaker 1: to see her transition from that into this, you know,
Speaker 1: crazy scandal world.
Speaker 2: We were so lucky to get her so early at
Speaker 2: the top. And actually, I never look at you like this,
Speaker 2: but I have to say, when I was rewatching this episode,
Speaker 2: there are so many just fucking dope shots. Yes, and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I don't know about camera, but I
Speaker 2: feel like she's nailing it.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, And.
Speaker 2: We had such a love affair with Alison Liddy Brown
Speaker 2: because she came back and directed the infamous seven fifty two.
Speaker 2: I should have won every fucking acting award under the sun.
Speaker 3: Also, Alison Lady Brown is queer.
Speaker 1: She's you know, she's an openly gay woman, which I loved,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, especially when she directed me
Speaker 1: in seventy two because I'm openly as well. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, it was just a cool thing to be like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, and I'm wearing a shirt that says
Speaker 1: queer right now, Yes, you.
Speaker 2: Are speaking about which I was thinking about this last night. Shit,
Speaker 2: when we have Carrie on we have to ask her this.
Speaker 2: I think Carry was like the last person to know
Speaker 2: that Giarmo Diaz is an openly gay person. She was
Speaker 2: like what, I feel like the first bunch of episodes,
Speaker 2: we were all like pretty buttoned up about our personal lives.
Speaker 2: I think we were all just like kind of nervous
Speaker 2: and exceeded and like scared and trying to put like,
Speaker 2: you know, we just didn't know if we were going
Speaker 2: to be real life friends or like, you know, it
Speaker 2: was just like I don't know if people like knew everything,
Speaker 2: and I don't know at what episode I asked you
Speaker 2: where do you live? And you said, oh, I live
Speaker 2: in West Hollywood, right by the parade, And I.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, shit, parade, Like.
Speaker 2: I literally know what you were talking about. I was
Speaker 2: like the parade, and then I was like, oh, the
Speaker 2: fucking gay cry parade. Oh my god, is this person gay?
Speaker 2: And then I ran home and I googled it and
Speaker 2: I found out that you were, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is the fucking greatest news and slice bread. But
Speaker 2: then I remember that Carrie. I don't know how she
Speaker 2: found out, but I remember it was in like episode
Speaker 2: seven of season one, while we were in Gideon's apartment
Speaker 2: and he's dead on the floor. This is how it
Speaker 2: is in my memory. I don't know if it's true.
Speaker 2: And she found out that you were gay. I think
Speaker 2: we were all talking and maybe I said it or something,
Speaker 2: and she flipped out, screaming more. Because Carrie has an
Speaker 2: inside of her where she's like, I'm the dork that's
Speaker 2: the last to know.
Speaker 1: Yes. She also has extreme fomo like fear of missing out,
Speaker 1: like she needs to be in on every conversation, everything
Speaker 1: that's happening, right, So I'm sure she was like, wait,
Speaker 1: what how did I not know?
Speaker 2: Yes, She's very like especially in OPA, it's such like,
Speaker 2: you know, like a click of high school students who
Speaker 2: were like all talking, talking, talking, talking, and if you're
Speaker 2: like over to the left getting your hair and makeup done,
Speaker 2: and you like miss a little tidbit of hot goss,
Speaker 2: You're like, have you got to get in there?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: So she felt like she hadn't known yet yes, And
Speaker 2: I think she was the last of the OPA people
Speaker 2: to know. So then what happens is this is insane.
Speaker 2: Are you ready for this tidbit? I'm gonna give you Helen,
Speaker 2: who's the girl that is accusing Travis of rape is
Speaker 2: played by this actress named Helen Woglum. She and I
Speaker 2: were an acting class together at Leslie Khan and she
Speaker 2: was so.
Speaker 1: So good good, yes, yes, yes, You've got.
Speaker 2: That monologue where she's like, how much.
Speaker 3: How much would it take for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How much would it take for you to be quiet
Speaker 2: about being raped? To shut up? How much could you
Speaker 2: be bought for? And her lip is all quivering and
Speaker 2: she's so good. Were you in the room?
Speaker 3: No, you're hu isn't in the room for that?
Speaker 1: No, But I think that's the first time obviously with
Speaker 1: the characters were Olivia and the other attorneys were and
Speaker 1: they were all like, oh shit, this bitch is telling
Speaker 1: the truth. Like we're fucked now, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They were like, oh, she's not even taking the money.
Speaker 1: She was like no, I don't want the money, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then they're trying to get him ready for
Speaker 2: trial and he says to Harrison, well, what does this mean?
Speaker 2: They always take the money? And then Harrison calls Olivia
Speaker 2: and he's like, I think he's paid people off before,
Speaker 2: which sets all of OPA like down the path to know,
Speaker 2: this guy's a fucking piece of shit, and Michael Cassidy
Speaker 2: plays him so well.
Speaker 1: Oh he's so good. He's so good. He's such a
Speaker 1: great actress.
Speaker 2: So good. The other thing that when they find out
Speaker 2: Harrison goes to get the rape kit from Jerica.
Speaker 3: Hint hit it in, Yes, who.
Speaker 2: Ended up kicking ass so much that again, like I said,
Speaker 2: Shanallane keeps it all in ensemble, like they gave her
Speaker 2: an amazing job. She played Stephanie Edwards on Gray's Anatomy.
Speaker 2: But how fucking great was her monologue?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh oh good, so moving, so moving, but powerful
Speaker 1: and like hell yeah, Like she just throws it back
Speaker 1: at Harrison because he's sort of flirting with her in
Speaker 1: the beginning. He's trying to get this rape kit, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And she's like, dude, you don't
Speaker 1: got to flirt with me. Listen, I deal with these
Speaker 1: women that have gone through this, you know, extremely traumatizing experience,
Speaker 1: Like if you need something, I'll give you whatever you want,
Speaker 1: but don't flirt with me, especially not in this room,
Speaker 1: not right now and in this environment, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And she does it so freaking well. She's
Speaker 1: so powerful, such a great freaking actress.
Speaker 2: H Yeah, she does it so well. She's such a
Speaker 2: good accurate matt Burne wrote this episode, which makes me
Speaker 2: think of how long I've been with Matt burn because
Speaker 2: matt Burne. First of all, it wasn't until reading these
Speaker 2: pieces of paper that I even realized Matt burn was
Speaker 2: with us from the beginning. Was he like I thought
Speaker 2: he came in at season two. I can't believe he
Speaker 2: wrote this episode.
Speaker 1: I honestly, I was like, maybe season three or four.
Speaker 1: I thought Matt burn sort of came in, But I
Speaker 1: thought so too.
Speaker 2: And he wrote Inventing Anna. No, yes, so I I
Speaker 2: mean Seanna wrote it. I mean he was in the
Speaker 2: writers for Inventing Anna. But he was like a big
Speaker 2: dog on Inventing Anna. He wasn't like he was like executive.
Speaker 2: I don't know what his title was, but it was
Speaker 2: a big title. And so I got to be with
Speaker 2: him in New York for a while shooting Inventing Anna.
Speaker 2: And it's just so cool to watch and having been
Speaker 2: with someone sort of at the start, because I don't
Speaker 2: actually think he was a television writer before scandal. I
Speaker 2: think he was actually a journalist. I think he wrote
Speaker 2: I think he was a journalist. And they in the
Speaker 2: Scandal writer's room, especially at the beginning, they had a
Speaker 2: lot of people who weren't television writers who could really
Speaker 2: write in that sort of up against it taking clock
Speaker 2: like article type way. But he wrote Inventing Anna and
Speaker 2: where I'm like, I played this character Rachel Deloche Williams
Speaker 2: and I'm sobbed. I'm crying like on the stand testifying.
Speaker 2: And Matt Burne came in and he gave me like
Speaker 2: an acting note and I was like, okay, you like me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He came in and he was like, I'm I was
Speaker 2: there at this actual trial of Amadelvi. He was at
Speaker 2: the trial for doing research for this show, and he
Speaker 2: was like, your character at this point is fucking ugly sobbing.
Speaker 2: This isn't like fake wow, Like this isn't like even
Speaker 2: just a little bit crying like boo, this is like
Speaker 2: how ugly and unabandoned do you cry when no one's looking?
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh.
Speaker 1: Fuck, which is the worst thing you could tell an
Speaker 1: actor because then that pressure no tears anywhere to be found.
Speaker 3: Don't freaking tell me that shit, Like really.
Speaker 2: Dearmo, I was like, bring in the tearstick.
Speaker 3: You're bringing them tearsticks.
Speaker 2: Do you ever I use a tearstick?
Speaker 1: Do you I have in the past, But yeah I have, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure I have.
Speaker 3: And then there's you know, you just never know. That's
Speaker 3: the thing about acting.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it comes and you don't need that shit, and
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just not available. You're just not it's just
Speaker 1: not there and you have to fake the funk and
Speaker 1: that tears that comes in for the for our listeners,
Speaker 1: I don't know what a tearstick is. It's a freaking
Speaker 1: little hollow stick that has like eucalyptus in the middle, right,
Speaker 1: and and the makeup artist blows through it into your
Speaker 1: eyes to make your eyes tear up, right, Katie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit. They have two different There's a
Speaker 2: menthol stick that's a blower. Yeah, that's what she's talking about.
Speaker 2: They like blow Menthol crystals into your eyes. It's essentially
Speaker 2: like blasting vix vapor rub in your eyes, which makes
Speaker 2: tears come. Or there's a lipstick tube that's menthol, like
Speaker 2: a vix vapor rub in ellipstick form, and I would
Speaker 2: just rub that underneath my eyes. Call action. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: I literally think I did damage sometimes during between Scandal
Speaker 2: and inventing Anna. There are times, like you said, where
Speaker 2: I can cry on command and it's sign. But then
Speaker 2: you're on our four yeah, of shooting the scene, and
Speaker 2: you're so dried out and you're so like I can't,
Speaker 2: like I don't even want to think about dead puppies anymore.
Speaker 1: And if your coverage, if you're last up to get
Speaker 1: your coverage, coverage is when they're you know, the camera's
Speaker 1: pointed at you, and you do you do the scene,
Speaker 1: you're featured. By the time they get to you. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's just you're drained. Like you said, it's it's just
Speaker 1: not there, and sometimes it is, it comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: That's what's so beautiful about acting, too, right, because it's
Speaker 1: sort of magical and you never know. Sometimes crazy beautiful
Speaker 1: stuff happens, and sometimes it doesn't. I agree, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's what that's also like. Sometimes I'm like I
Speaker 1: used to feel guilty, but then I was like, no,
Speaker 1: like that's good acting too, Like I'm acting like I'm
Speaker 1: really doing this shit and nobody's clocking me for it,
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean, Like that was good? Right?
Speaker 2: Oh, you mean like if you feel like I know,
Speaker 2: I used to be like oh fuck. Am I not
Speaker 2: supposed to tell people I use a tear stick because
Speaker 2: people think I'm going a crappy reactor.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. We don't use it all the time.
Speaker 1: It's it's once in a while when you feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I need to I need to be there at this
Speaker 1: level of emotions and I'm not there, so and then
Speaker 1: you'll do it. But it doesn't We don't use it
Speaker 1: all the time a lot of.
Speaker 2: Times, you know, don't like to spend the whole time
Speaker 2: thinking like, oh my god, there are no tears coming. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're just like taking yourself out of the scene. You're
Speaker 2: not thinking about what you want from the other person.
Speaker 2: Do you think Meryl Streep uses a tearstick?
Speaker 3: Hell no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: But you think she's just that great, Yes, But.
Speaker 1: I've also seen scenes where she's super emotional, know, and
Speaker 1: crying and there's no tears and it still works and
Speaker 1: her eyes are sort of well up and do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it doesn't have to be full.
Speaker 3: On tears all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And again, she's so wonderful.
Speaker 2: Somebody get fucking mail Streep on this podcast so that
Speaker 2: we can I.
Speaker 3: Want to know if that uses a tearstick?
Speaker 2: Do you use a tear stick? I want to find out.
Speaker 2: I've got to know somebody that knows her. I met
Speaker 2: her daughter once. But do you think it'd be weird
Speaker 2: if I went right up to her daughter be like,
Speaker 2: does your mother tears?
Speaker 3: It would be a little weird.
Speaker 1: I think yeah, But I think you should still do
Speaker 1: it because you're probably not that close with her.
Speaker 2: Right, No, don't care if I promise here now today, folks,
Speaker 2: if I run into Gracie Gummer, uh maybe Gummer.
Speaker 1: I like those names.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I run into them, I'm gonna ask them
Speaker 2: if their mom uses a tearstick. Oh, we have to
Speaker 2: talk about Carrie Washington and her first White House state
Speaker 2: dinner dress. That is she no one wears clothes like
Speaker 2: Kerry Washington.
Speaker 1: So this is the first time we see Olivia Pope
Speaker 1: dressed up going to a White House extravagant event. Right,
Speaker 1: this is the first time we see her.
Speaker 2: And it's remarkable. I mean, she looks so gorgeous and
Speaker 2: when they're dancing and his hands are on her back
Speaker 2: because the dress is backless and it's white, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like, yes, you know again, Adam walked into the room.
Speaker 2: He left and then he came back for this part
Speaker 2: and he was like, my god, they were so good together.
Speaker 3: Harry had good chemistry with that white dress.
Speaker 2: That dress was outstanding. She looked remarkable.
Speaker 1: It really was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so classy, so hot, and I also felt so
Speaker 2: bad for Melly, like cut to like what Mellie's wearing
Speaker 2: in like some sort of dumpy hairstyle and like a
Speaker 2: crappy sort. It's not crappy, but it was like matronly.
Speaker 3: Right compared to Olivia Pope. Yeah, I was like, oh.
Speaker 2: Shit, Carrie had a lot of skin out and stuff,
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, Melly, you don't stand a
Speaker 2: fucking chance.
Speaker 3: That wig was on tight on Carry's head.
Speaker 2: And their chemistry during the dancing when he was like
Speaker 2: meet me in our spot, she's like, don't look at me,
Speaker 2: don't look at me or whatever.
Speaker 1: He goes to that spot to wait for her and
Speaker 1: she's sort of on her way to meet him, and
Speaker 1: Cyrus first stops Olivia and he's like, get out of here.
Speaker 3: We don't want you here. We know you're trying to
Speaker 3: blackmail us.
Speaker 1: Cause in the meanwhile, Cyrus receives a recording of Fits
Speaker 1: having sex with a woman, and they obviously assume it's
Speaker 1: Amanda Tanner, and Cyrus thinks that it was Olivia Pope
Speaker 1: that is trying to blackmail them. So he stops Olivia
Speaker 1: Pope in her tracks where she's going to meet Fitz,
Speaker 1: and he's like, hell, no, fuck you think you're doing.
Speaker 3: Get out of here, and he throws her out of
Speaker 3: the White House.
Speaker 1: And then he goes to the spot where Fits is
Speaker 1: waiting for Olivia and he sort of, you know, tells him.
Speaker 2: He's like, I know what you're doing. You're waiting here
Speaker 2: for fucking Olivia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well she's not coming because she's trying to blackmail us. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting how Cyrus is sort of that in
Speaker 1: between that middle guy.
Speaker 2: He is a sticky, tricky, smart character. He's just like
Speaker 2: always looking. He's just doing what's in all what he
Speaker 2: thinks is in his own best interest, no matter who. Yes,
Speaker 2: he has to sort of cross and double he's playing
Speaker 2: double sides all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he plays it so brilliantly, especially in
Speaker 1: the scene, I mean always.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's such an amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing,
Speaker 2: amazing actor. Then this episode takes such a turn for
Speaker 2: darkness for me, which is I sob when the mom
Speaker 2: calls the cops on Travis, can I tell you what's
Speaker 2: so dark and why I think that? And I'm so sorry?
Speaker 2: I'm going to go here.
Speaker 1: Do you have a son now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it made you think, like, would I do
Speaker 3: this to my kid?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if I would. Hopefully I never
Speaker 2: have to know, but I do. I get so worried
Speaker 2: about raising a kind boy, a kind white boy in
Speaker 2: this world and him ever hurting someone, and me being
Speaker 2: completely aghast and shocked by, like, I can't believe I
Speaker 2: like raised a monster. You know, she has all these
Speaker 2: brilliant monologues where she was like I was never there,
Speaker 2: I never made it to his games, and I'm fucking
Speaker 2: all up in my son's shit.
Speaker 1: You're such a present mom, Yeah, you're all up in
Speaker 1: his grill.
Speaker 2: Okay, what else happened we talked about in this episode?
Speaker 2: What are other favorite things we.
Speaker 3: Should talk about?
Speaker 1: How the character who is accusing this young piece of
Speaker 1: crap who supposed he raped her, we find out the
Speaker 1: OPA team ends up discovering that it was her best
Speaker 1: friend that in fact was raped by him. And she
Speaker 1: then and that girl ended up killing herself. He paid
Speaker 1: her off. She ends up killing herself, and so her
Speaker 1: friend we cut to what is this character's name.
Speaker 2: Helen, Yeah, Helen.
Speaker 1: So Helen ends up dyeing her hair and sort of
Speaker 1: I don't want to say stalking because that has a
Speaker 1: nasty edge because she was trying to get this guy
Speaker 1: back for what he did to her best friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's trying to blackmail him. No, what would the
Speaker 2: word be.
Speaker 1: She's trying to trick him into like taking her out
Speaker 1: and having sex with her, and then she accuses him
Speaker 1: of raping her. But you know, and so the OPA
Speaker 1: team finds out and Booger ends up like destroying her
Speaker 1: on the stand and she's crying. It's such a sad
Speaker 1: emotional scene because you feel for her. You're like, she's
Speaker 1: she was fucking stepping up for her best friend who
Speaker 1: ended up killing herself because this guy raped her. So
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm gonna dye my hair, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: find this dude. Then I'm gonna end up accusing him. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it was all obviously, you know, when it's all discovered,
Speaker 1: they can't prosecute because it wasn't her it was her friend.
Speaker 2: And Travis fucking gets off because he's a piece of shit,
Speaker 2: and then the moment has to make this choice about
Speaker 2: calling the you know, Olivia goes to her door and says,
Speaker 2: what he did wasn't your fault, but how you handle.
Speaker 3: It now is right exactly, yeah.
Speaker 2: And so she calls the cops on him, and then
Speaker 2: I freak out about raising a sun.
Speaker 1: And the mother ends up calling the cops on him
Speaker 1: and they take him away, which is so satisfying.
Speaker 2: It's so great, and he's like, what's so satisfying? Get
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here, as we would say, we'll
Speaker 2: be right back. The other thing. I love two more
Speaker 2: things about this episode m Okay three one. Tony says,
Speaker 2: why do you invite live? And Mellie says, in that
Speaker 2: classic creepy, fucking Bellamy knows all type way, she's just like,
Speaker 2: you needed to see her. You slept better last night,
Speaker 2: didn't you? And You're like, what the fuck is going
Speaker 2: on with this relationship?
Speaker 1: Yeh? She knows?
Speaker 2: What does she know? How much does she know? This
Speaker 2: feels so icky and so interesting and I love it
Speaker 2: and the way that Bellamy Young is able to just
Speaker 2: like fucking deliver that in two lines is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: She kind of lowers her voice. She goes down here.
Speaker 1: I know now you can sleep, can't you.
Speaker 2: We ought to make her do that on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I was gonna say, speaking to memorable lines.
Speaker 1: This is this the episode where Hucks says to Quinn.
Speaker 3: You're weird.
Speaker 1: Weird is good, which I love.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't believe we almost stepped over that. No.
Speaker 2: I remember getting that monologue and it said scandal paste
Speaker 2: as fast as you can say it, Katie, where I
Speaker 2: call Giddeon and I'm like, you were.
Speaker 3: So good and so fast in that scene.
Speaker 1: And that beautiful shot of that like stained glass like
Speaker 1: piece of art whatever it was behind you. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: such a great And then Huck is waiting at the
Speaker 1: door and he says, and.
Speaker 2: You say you're weird, and I say, no, I'm not,
Speaker 2: and you say weird it's good, and I say, thank you.
Speaker 1: We're so stark.
Speaker 2: It's the best. Weird is good. And right here, right
Speaker 2: now is even like the beginning of the Quinn Hawk shit. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: you're already seeing what they're fucking doing. Like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if they knew or they didn't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they were starting to kind of feel
Speaker 1: feel it going that way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's just so great. And then another scene that's stuck out.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were going to say this
Speaker 1: one too, is when she's at the bar and she's
Speaker 1: waiting for Gideon and he Hawks shows up and he's like,
Speaker 1: put your.
Speaker 3: Hair down, flirt a little bit, but not too much.
Speaker 2: Don't drink the real drinks. Drink you drink this. You
Speaker 2: pay off the bardunder by the way, we see the
Speaker 2: Quinn hawk thing, and then we see Quinn say to live,
Speaker 2: which I kind of I didn't like, hate my performance,
Speaker 2: which is good. I said, well, I trust my gut
Speaker 2: and I think she's lying. Yeah, And I just fast
Speaker 2: forwarded all the way to like the end of the
Speaker 2: series where Opa is QPA and this whole thing started
Speaker 2: because Olivia Pope, I mean didn't start. She can do
Speaker 2: a million things, but one of the things that makes
Speaker 2: Olivia Olivia is her gut. And we already see from
Speaker 2: the beginning of Scandal that Quinn's got one too.
Speaker 3: I thought of that too. It's so brilliant.
Speaker 1: But then I at first I was like, fuck is
Speaker 1: in Olivia supposed to be the only one that you know,
Speaker 1: goes with her gut. But then I thought, well, that's
Speaker 1: the whole reason that she put this team together. That's
Speaker 1: the reason why she got freaking Lindsay Dwyer and changed
Speaker 1: her identity. She knew there was something special about You,
Speaker 1: about Uck, about Harrison, about Abby, about all of them.
Speaker 1: They're all flawed, but then they're all sort of brilliant
Speaker 1: in their own way too. So you see when Quinn says,
Speaker 1: you know, I trust my gut, and you know, I
Speaker 1: think she's lying, Olivia has that sort of moment of like, wait,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? But then it sort of
Speaker 1: clicks for her and she's like, oh shit, okay, this girl,
Speaker 1: this girl's got a gut too. Whoa which I love.
Speaker 2: The other crazy thing that I have read about on
Speaker 2: the Internet that exists in this like the interweb dark net.
Speaker 2: Remember we would always talk about the dark net.
Speaker 3: On the dark Web, Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Dark Web. Some fans seem to think in this whole
Speaker 2: like Olivia has a gut and Quinn has a gut,
Speaker 2: and maybe from the beginning they knew that OPA was
Speaker 2: going to turn into QPA. Supposedly, some fans think that
Speaker 2: Quinn is only named Quinn because it's the closest letter
Speaker 2: from an Oh, Like, all you would have to do
Speaker 2: to make opa qpa is add that a line.
Speaker 3: Think, yeah, what is that? There's got to be a
Speaker 3: name for that little line in the queue, right, I wonder.
Speaker 2: That's got to be on purpose? Olivia Pope and associates. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when Perkins and associates.
Speaker 1: And Perkins, Oh shit.
Speaker 2: Is that I have goosebum web is fucking crazy?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And then the episode ends with the big reveal that
Speaker 2: Amanda Tanner is with child.
Speaker 1: As they used to have to say in the fifties
Speaker 1: on Is Love Lucy, they couldn't say pregnant. They had
Speaker 1: to say with child or true. Yeah, they couldn't even
Speaker 1: say I'm pregnant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Amanda Tanner is pregnant with what we seem
Speaker 2: to believe is President Fitzgerald Grant's baby, and she's only
Speaker 2: asked for a sit down meeting with him, that's what
Speaker 2: she wants.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Some fun facts about this episode is that David Rosen
Speaker 2: is seen with a.
Speaker 1: Dog um perro.
Speaker 2: Un perro.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Remember on the Scandal days where I'd be like, let's
Speaker 2: try going a whole day where gamme gamar only to
Speaker 2: Spanish to me so that I could learn Spanish, and
Speaker 2: I would make it one minute.
Speaker 3: I'd be like, well, okay, said kid, and Katie was like.
Speaker 2: Okay, you can't do it, can't do it. Don't understand
Speaker 2: what you're talking about. And I'd love to talk too much.
Speaker 1: And then we'd be like, let's go see what food
Speaker 1: they got in the in the you know, a crafty
Speaker 1: let's go look it forod.
Speaker 2: So he's got a dog in this episode. It's the
Speaker 2: only time the dog appears and never appears again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think.
Speaker 2: They're probably just like this is so expensive, Like fuck.
Speaker 1: It, I mean, and also like, you know, how many
Speaker 1: opportunities were there to be like let's bring in the
Speaker 1: big dog.
Speaker 3: You know, he was either in.
Speaker 1: His office or at OPA or wherever, so he kind
Speaker 1: of you know, I get that the dog phased out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The working title for the episode was actually a Woman Scorned.
Speaker 2: The title comes from the phrase hell half no fury,
Speaker 2: like a woman scorned. Wait, so it's called hell half
Speaker 2: no Fury.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it.
Speaker 2: Was originally a woman scorn. I think maybe because a
Speaker 2: woman scorned people wouldn't know that was from a saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess they wanted to leave it sort
Speaker 1: of a little bit more encompassing of a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff and accept instead of focusing in on woman the
Speaker 1: woman part.
Speaker 2: Maybe Oh that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Perhaps, I don't know.
Speaker 2: In wrapping up, should we do some tweets at the time?
Speaker 3: Oh you ready for?
Speaker 2: Oh shit? Time time time, time, tweet tweet, tweets at
Speaker 2: the ties.
Speaker 3: Tweets at the time, y'all.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so many of these tweets that I'm reading.
Speaker 2: From April twenty sixth, there's a tweet from Giermo Diaz.
Speaker 2: What did you tweet?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 3: I don't even freaking remember why I tweeted that shit.
Speaker 1: It looks like it's a response to something, right, because
Speaker 1: I say, stop trying to make fetch happen? Lol?
Speaker 3: Thanks Mike, glad you're enjoying Scandal ABC. Who the hell
Speaker 3: was I talking to?
Speaker 2: Why is that guy Mike one trying to make fetch happen?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: What is he talking about?
Speaker 1: And is that Mike Webb my boyfriend? Like I wonder
Speaker 1: if that's because my boyfriend's name is Mike, But I
Speaker 1: wonder because I remember he was on Twitter for like
Speaker 1: a hot second.
Speaker 2: But then what was Mike's Twitter name? Do you remember it?
Speaker 1: I don't remember because he was literally on for a second,
Speaker 1: so I wonder if that was him.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we won't ever know, but let me tell you
Speaker 2: something that guy Mike won Fetch never happens.
Speaker 1: Fetch never happened. Unscandal Bye balloon. Oh that's a whole
Speaker 1: other thing we got to talk about when that episode
Speaker 1: comes up by balloon.
Speaker 2: No, the balloon seed I think was cut. Oh no way,
Speaker 2: I don't think it ever made it to air. I
Speaker 2: really don't, but we'll get there.
Speaker 1: We could, but we could. We remember the episode so
Speaker 1: we can still talk about.
Speaker 2: So then Natalie Abrams also tweeted this night scandal tweets
Speaker 2: at the Times, and Natalie Abrams was like a fucking
Speaker 2: huge journalist, reporter fan who covered scandal from the start
Speaker 2: when nobody was like the beginning of scandal, nobody cared,
Speaker 2: nobody gave us press, nobody cared. Nobody cared except for
Speaker 2: Natalie Abrams. She wrote, in case you missed it, hashtag
Speaker 2: scandalscoop will Quinn's relationship with Gideon get her into trouble.
Speaker 2: That's not that interesting, but anyway, shout out to Natalie Abrams.
Speaker 2: We love you. Carrie tweeted a tweet that night of
Speaker 2: a picture of her in the incredible dress with her
Speaker 2: shy makeup artist, Sherry, and she wrote, we have the
Speaker 2: best crew on TV at Scandal ABC. Love Yes, Sherry Knight,
Speaker 2: who was Carrie's makeup artist for all seven years, she
Speaker 2: needs to come on this podcast. We love her so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we love her.
Speaker 2: Are there any other good ones? Gee?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another good one from Mozilla Junior and she says,
Speaker 1: Cyrus in Scandal is a lion.
Speaker 3: Bleep, bleep, bleep.
Speaker 1: I think what she meant to say is Cyrus in
Speaker 1: Scandal is a lion piece of shit. Exclamation exclamation by
Speaker 1: exclamation esclamation point, and then she says I'm angry exclamation
Speaker 1: point hashtag scandal.
Speaker 2: This is really starting to ramp about. Oh, someone's got
Speaker 2: a good note for us. Sad bitch Summer at Twinkies
Speaker 2: and Wine says the only bad thing about Scandal that
Speaker 2: the transitions are seizure inducing.
Speaker 1: I love her, I think she means because the clicks
Speaker 1: of the camera right it is sort of.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, good luck, because we use the shit out
Speaker 2: of that sound effect for seven years.
Speaker 1: Yes, someone else tweeted, and another thing is the person's
Speaker 1: sort of name, Mesha Crump. Yeah, Olivia Pope is a bad,
Speaker 1: bad woman.
Speaker 3: Exclamation point. Oh wow, people are starting to get their
Speaker 3: feelings about the show.
Speaker 2: But also it's the beginning of the show where I
Speaker 2: feel like people didn't know which way to feel about
Speaker 2: Olivia Pope because very soon we're gonna see from tweet
Speaker 2: to at the time that Olivia Pope can do no wrong.
Speaker 2: I really feel like, at a certain point, Olivia Pope
Speaker 2: was the greatest fucking superhero to have ever graced everyone's
Speaker 2: television screens on Thursday nights at nine or ten o'clock,
Speaker 2: and no one ever tweeted bad shit about Olivia Pope.
Speaker 2: And god forbid, you were a character on Scandal who
Speaker 2: was against Olivia Pope at the time, you were fucked.
Speaker 1: And even when she fucking killed that dude with a chair,
Speaker 1: people were still Olivia. She's so wonderful, Olivia.
Speaker 2: The way you killed that guy with a fucking chair.
Speaker 1: She freaking clobbered this motherfucker and killed him.
Speaker 2: Pay you rigged an election, the way you cheat. We
Speaker 2: love you. You can do no wrong. Olivia Pope is fucking perfect.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: At this point, people just like weren't sure. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is only episode three of the one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 2: I think we did one hundred.
Speaker 1: One super super early on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gee, did you know? Like I know, we do
Speaker 2: tweets of the time, But I also think that during
Speaker 2: the show there were actual real life scandals of the time.
Speaker 1: A lot of scandals. Listen, I bet there were scandals
Speaker 1: left and right during this whole show. I mean there's
Speaker 1: scandals every day, which.
Speaker 2: We have to do that research too, which I'll put
Speaker 2: you on Gearmo. Since you're the researcher of the show
Speaker 2: who researches all the guest stars in their links to
Speaker 2: horror films, I need you to also put on the
Speaker 2: list scandals of the time.
Speaker 3: I'm on it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this, g I kind
Speaker 2: of don't, but tell me if you do. During the
Speaker 2: airing of this episode, all these secret service dudes were
Speaker 2: relieved of their duties because they were all messing around
Speaker 2: with prostitutes allegedly. Yeah. But that's what's so crazy about
Speaker 2: Scandal is that, like nothing we did was far from truth.
Speaker 1: Yea ever, but also that sounds so vanilla right now
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, when the twice impeached disgraced former
Speaker 1: president like stole literal documents from the White House and
Speaker 1: he has them in his freaking year you're so right house,
Speaker 1: so wherever the hell it is, And that a couple
Speaker 1: of prostitutes for these secret agents, like yo, they don't
Speaker 1: have time to go date and go to bars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're working twenty four hour fucking shifts trying to
Speaker 2: keep the fucking most important person of the free world alive.
Speaker 2: It's like they need to pay for a quick fifteen
Speaker 2: minute blowjob.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Listen, sex work is a is a respectable like
Speaker 1: legitimate business.
Speaker 2: And have you ever been to Amsterdam?
Speaker 3: I haven't.
Speaker 1: No. I thought you can ask me if I've ever
Speaker 1: hired a prostitute.
Speaker 2: In Amsterdam where sex work is legal. It's so fascinating.
Speaker 2: But at seven o'clock in the morning, people are just
Speaker 2: like there's the line of the rows that are you know,
Speaker 2: men women in straight gay this that the other thing.
Speaker 2: You're walking past their little role their little rooms with
Speaker 2: the little and it's all like regulated and measured and safe.
Speaker 3: And like a transaction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a transaction. What were we talking about Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: the Secret Service.
Speaker 1: Guys that that scandal doesn't seem like seem so vanilla
Speaker 1: right now, right like the fact that that was a
Speaker 1: scandal back then. Now it's like really like.
Speaker 2: I love scandals of the times, though it does seem vanilla.
Speaker 2: I hope all those Secret Service agents have found employment
Speaker 2: since then, I guess.
Speaker 1: Or have married some of their you know prostitutes, found
Speaker 1: love perhaps, yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, or now that they're unemployed they have lots of
Speaker 2: free time to date.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, they don't have to pay for sex exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, it brings up to the point of Harrison in
Speaker 2: the season one where you know, when Abby's so fucking
Speaker 2: mad at him about him that Stephen uses you know,
Speaker 2: the dame to pay for sex mad all these the
Speaker 2: madam exactly, and Harrison is like, well, like whatever, we're
Speaker 2: all paying for it. I do it. You know, whether
Speaker 2: it's for dinners or nights out or take into the
Speaker 2: movies or some fancy restaurant. I mean, it's the same bullshit,
Speaker 2: different day. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like there you have it, listeners, there you have it.
Speaker 2: Scandals of the Time. Yes, Gladiators, we love you. This
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Speaker 2: hang out with gierramal Diez and talk about Scandal and
Speaker 2: relive these amazing memories and experiences we had. Yes, you guys,
Speaker 2: we have such exciting fun things. This was episode one
Speaker 2: oh three. And we've got guests coming out that you're
Speaker 2: not coming up and out. I sort of mashed those
Speaker 2: words both.
Speaker 3: Maybe some of them are coming out too, you never know.
Speaker 2: We've got Akxana Bayoule coming out.
Speaker 1: We got Akxana Bayola, who I want to make a correction.
Speaker 1: She's not a Russian skater. She was a Ukrainian skater. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to but yes, and Olexana Bayoule and
Speaker 1: Brendan Hines, I hope are very happy to No, that's
Speaker 1: not there.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're we can have their We should have them
Speaker 2: on talk about their wedding. We have exciting guests coming on.
Speaker 2: Stick with us, so much fun recapping of episodes, and
Speaker 2: we have like I can't even tell you the guests.
Speaker 2: We're going to be talking to all of your favorite
Speaker 2: Scandal characters and how they came to be, oh.
Speaker 3: Pa, the White House, like they're all going to be
Speaker 3: on here.
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