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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Iheartradiots and Katie.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about how Guermo watched episode one oh three

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Speaker 2: Hell Half No Fury twice yesterday, once today, and it's

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Speaker 2: on in the background currently as we are recording this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Yes, when I've watched this episode now a few times,

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Speaker 2: I'm just like this sucks, Like this is so awful.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to explore these feelings. I feel this

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Speaker 2: like massive weight of responsibility where it's like, Okay, if

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Speaker 2: I'm going to breed and contribute a human being to

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Speaker 2: our fucked up society, the least I can do is

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Speaker 2: hope that they only add goodness and don't take it away.

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Speaker 2: And I mean my mom sort of, I mean, my

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Speaker 2: brother was like, is the best fucking dude. I know,

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Speaker 2: you know him, he's the best, but like he was

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Speaker 2: such a fucked up teenager, Like he did such fucked

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Speaker 2: up shit. He did not fucking rape a girl, thank

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Speaker 2: you God, but like he definitely fucking sold fucking marijuana

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Speaker 2: and did dumb shit, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 2: my mom was like at the end of her room

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Speaker 2: with him.

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Speaker 1: And look how well he turned out. Yeah, he did.

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Speaker 2: Turn out well. I feel like, does your mom ever

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Speaker 2: think that, Like your mom had three boys?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Plus we grew up, you know, in the

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Speaker 1: eighties in New York City, where when in Washington Heights,

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Speaker 1: when the city was just like a ball of crime,

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Speaker 1: a snow globe of crime. It was just the worst,

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Speaker 1: you know, so I can imagine. But they also, you know,

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Speaker 1: they had really no you know, my we were kind

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Speaker 1: of latchkey kids, and they had to work twenty four

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Speaker 1: to seven, and they just had a trust that they

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Speaker 1: you know, instilled the right sort of value, you know,

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Speaker 1: thing values and all of that in us and and

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Speaker 1: you know, luckily we're somewhat okay.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite facts about Ghermo Diaz growing up

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Speaker 2: in such a fucking rough time and rough neighborhood. Tell

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Speaker 2: me if this is wrong. This is what it is

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Speaker 2: in my head every time there's a close up of

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Speaker 2: the back of Huck's head. Oh yeah, I love it

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Speaker 2: so much because you have this scar back there, because

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Speaker 2: didn't you get hit with a gun?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't believe you remember that.

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Speaker 2: Oh I think of it every time I see the

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Speaker 2: back every and since I've been watching all these episodes,

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Speaker 2: and they you're always hacking huk and they're always zooming

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Speaker 2: in on the back of your computer, and I always

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Speaker 2: see that little bump on the back of your head.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes, I got mugged in front of

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Speaker 1: my building in Washington Heights at like eleven o'clock at night,

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Speaker 1: at gunpoint. They held the gun up to my head

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Speaker 1: and were like, give me. I had like a flight

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Speaker 1: jacket and like a ring, like this cheap ring, and

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Speaker 1: this is it?

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Speaker 2: Like you thought you were going to die?

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Speaker 3: Oh of course.

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Speaker 1: But somehow, you know how they say, you get super

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Speaker 1: I got really zen and really calm and just turned

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Speaker 1: the gun in the back of the head. And that's

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Speaker 2: Did you have to get stitches?

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Speaker 1: No? I just went upstairs and my head was bleeding

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Speaker 1: and my mother was like, oh shit and put like

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Speaker 3: Like they didn't even take me to the hospital.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it was just it was a small

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Speaker 1: like seventeen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: That is crazy. And where do you fall in line

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Speaker 2: of the brothers?

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Speaker 2: and Adam's the baby in his family. Oh sh like

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Speaker 2: I just if you go around and ask people who

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Speaker 2: because I'm the older and you're the baby, not that

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Speaker 2: you not that we form that that you're necessarily act

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, yeah shut up. Yeah no. I love

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Speaker 1: that theory. Yeah, that's that's interesting. That makes sense. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Let's let's do this this stuff, and we should like

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Speaker 2: do this stuff? Gee, we should like to fucking say

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Speaker 2: what's on this fucking paper? And on this fucking paper

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Speaker 2: it says we're talking about episode one of three, which

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Speaker 2: was titled Hell Hath No Fury. It aired on April

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Speaker 2: nineteenth of twenty twelve. It was written by Matt Byrne,

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Speaker 2: which we will circle back on this, and it was directed.

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Speaker 3: By Alice Brown.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so much to say about both of these. Gee,

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Speaker 2: do you want to give me the synopsis? In Scandalpace?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, here we go. Millionaire CEO Sandra

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Speaker 1: Harding contracts OPA with helping her aunt. I went over this.

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Speaker 3: So many times before we started, and of course now

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Speaker 2: we continue this, okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go. Millionaire CEO Sandra Harding contracts OPA

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Speaker 1: with helping on her son Travis's trial for rape. Ahmeda.

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Speaker 1: Tanner's only demands is a five minute meeting with the

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Speaker 1: President and the White House gets hit with another scandal

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Speaker 2: And we have guest starring JoBeth Williams of Sandra hard

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Speaker 2: and Curtis Armstrong as Attorney call Michael Cassidy is Travis Harding.

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Speaker 2: has Hannah, the doctor who delivers this amazing speech to Harrison.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Jerka Hinton plays Stephanie Edwards and Grays

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Speaker 2: and Natie. We're going to get to all of that. Yes,

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Speaker 2: this episode, I think that the guest stars between Joe

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, this is this episode. I watched it

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think I was maybe honestly with Joe Beth.

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Speaker 1: also our other guest star plays attorney Cole. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: Booger from Revenge of the Nerds.

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Speaker 2: Man guys Booger for Revenge of the fucking Nerds. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I've done all the.

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Speaker 2: Without a traces and cold cases and all that. It

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Speaker 1: on ghost Whisper I was. And also you're coming into

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Speaker 1: I remember always we were always so kind to our

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Speaker 2: And I think this leans into Seanda having like that

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Speaker 2: But yes, a lot of us also fucking come from

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Speaker 2: Oh God, could you imagine if I was guest starring

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Speaker 3: And you were say, how I've always been a big preparer.

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Speaker 1: the end of like the series, we'd all roll up

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Speaker 2: But what's so fucking crazy about scandal and episodic TV,

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Speaker 2: I think in general is that, like your brain is

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Speaker 2: in a few weeks, you can do one hundred or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But it's the same with fucking memorizing lines. It's like

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Speaker 2: if you do it for eight years or however long

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Speaker 1: like angry, like the meanest like but she was Rory's

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00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 1: best friend who's one of the lead characters on the show.

440
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 2: Do you think Amanda Tanner is like a completely different

441
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 2: character for Eliza than Paris.

442
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 1: Oh?

443
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah.

444
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: That's why I was so great watching her play Amanda

445
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 1: Tanner because I was like, this girl got ranged. You know,

446
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: people say that all the time, but she the emotional

447
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 1: places that Liza had to go playing Amanda Tanner was like,

448
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think we all kind of

449
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 1: are familiar with it a little bit because we all

450
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 1: had to, you know, go through some serious stuff on

451
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: the show as our characters. But she just does such

452
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: a wonderful.

453
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 2: Job speaking about you guys listening, Like Shondaland likes to

454
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 2: sort of collect people, you know that they continue from

455
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: project to project and things like that. And Liza, while

456
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 2: at the time was married to Paul Adelstein, that's right,

457
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 2: who well he was playing he played Leo Bergen, but

458
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 2: he was originally the lead doctor on Private Practice, that's right,

459
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 2: Which is why Shonda and Linda Lowie know Liza and

460
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 2: I think this. I don't know if this is a

461
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 2: secret or whatever, but whatever, Liza, I'm pretty sure I

462
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 2: remember shooting scenes with her season one when she was

463
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: playing a Manda Tanner, and I remember her being like,

464
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: I auditioned for Quinn. No, yes, And I remember sitting

465
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 2: there watching how fucking good she was and me being like,

466
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 2: this makes no sense. I remember, oh, oh my god,

467
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 2: I thank God in heaven and whoever the fuck you

468
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 2: pray to It easily could have been Liza, like but anyway,

469
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 2: I think Liza auditioned for Quinn and they just called

470
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,479
Speaker 2: her and said, no, we want you to be Amanda Tanner.

471
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: Wow, we're gonna have her on and.

472
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to ask and she'll tell us.

473
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to have her on.

474
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 2: But the other thing that happens in this episode that

475
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: I need to talk about, I'm sorry, I'm interrupting you. Tommy.

476
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: Oh no, not at all.

477
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: That Tony Goldwin takes off his shirt.

478
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: When he wakes up when he oversleeps.

479
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: He's oversleeps, and Mellie is sitting in the fucking West

480
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 2: wing where wherever they sleep, No, the private residence, I

481
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: think is what it's called, yea, and Tony's sleeping and

482
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: we're just gonna reserve the ride on this podcast. That

483
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: whenever I call people their characters' names or their real names, whatever,

484
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: get yeah, yeah, Tony's sleeping and he wakes up and he's.

485
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 3: Like, what's happening? Mandela got up for me? Like Mandela

486
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: is waiting for me.

487
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 1: I can't.

488
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: Because yes, he's in boxers and like a T shirt

489
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: that he slept in, and he quickly takes off his

490
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: T shirt and I was dumbfounded.

491
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: He's pretty easy and eyes.

492
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 2: What is going on with this human beings body like?

493
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: But it's just not fair.

494
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I loved he is family. He

495
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: drinks wine, he orders desserts, he eats carbohydrates. He just

496
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: must also like eat like baby vampires or something that

497
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: I do.

498
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: Although, Katie, I remember during the table reads, I always

499
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: remember Tony having ordering a salad. It was like from

500
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: tender Greens and it was either the the tuna with

501
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: you know, with the greens. I know, I'm so hungry, right,

502
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: hungry too, Oh my god, let's talk about what we

503
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: ate in a little bit. But I remember Tony always

504
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: eating super super healthy. I think it's him. And then

505
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: you know, when Scott Foley comes into the picture, when

506
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 1: Jake comes into the picture, they always knew they were

507
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: like at the drop of a hat that were like

508
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: you gotta take your shirt off.

509
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 3: You know you're gonna have sex. Would have lived or

510
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: someone else. So I think that I feel like.

511
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: They were always super super prepared.

512
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: Well, he looked out standing, even in those two minutes.

513
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: I was like, God, if you were editing the episode,

514
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: you must have been like, and Shaun is sitting there

515
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: like putting the episodes together. She must have been like, Okay,

516
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 2: well we can just rest assured that Tony should be

517
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: topless in every sex scene for the next seven years.

518
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: Yes, he's fine, Yes, But also that scene when he

519
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: wakes up and he oversleeps.

520
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 3: It reminded me.

521
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: Wasn't Tony always sleeping on set? Like, wasn't he We'd

522
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: always like catch him like asleep, like any chance he got,

523
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: he was like sleeping.

524
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 2: Why is he so tired?

525
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm tired too.

526
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: I am too. But you know what, maybe it's because

527
00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 2: he was fifty then, right, Like do you know what

528
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: I mean? Like when we were shooting Scandal, I was

529
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: twenty eight through like thirty six, whow and you were.

530
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: I turned forty on the pilot. On the pilot, I

531
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: turned forty.

532
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he was like because I think Tony's like

533
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: sixty six or sixty seven. I think he can see

534
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: mixed my yeah, I think he's six. Let's google it.

535
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: Wait, I think he's like fifty eight or fifteen nine.

536
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh am, I oh he oh am, I am

537
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: completely wrong. Hold on. If he's he's sixty two.

538
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: What oh shit? He looks good.

539
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: I know, but so imagine at fifty two years old.

540
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: You're not in fifty two yet. Gee. Imagine being on

541
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 2: set with those hours. He was just so tired.

542
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: She was tired, She got asleep.

543
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: She was like, I got to sleep.

544
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: I think him and Jeffy were constantly sleeping on set.

545
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and jeff was always sleeping for sure. We'll be

546
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 3: right back, guys.

547
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 2: What other notes do you have?

548
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about maybe Alison Lady Brown, like our

549
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: director for this episode.

550
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: Let's give a whole fucking moment of silence, respect, love,

551
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: and adoration for that woman.

552
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: Alison Lady Brown came into Our Lives on Scandal and

553
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: directed a whole bunch of episodes. I'm assuming this is

554
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: the first episode she directed, right, Yeah, I think it was. Yeah,

555
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: the loveliest woman, super chill, super funny, just so beautiful,

556
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: just such a great, great director, and I think she

557
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: came from directing a lot of stuff on like Nickelodeon right,

558
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: a lot of like kid shows. So it was funny

559
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: to see her transition from that into this, you know,

560
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: crazy scandal world.

561
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: We were so lucky to get her so early at

562
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: the top. And actually, I never look at you like this,

563
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: but I have to say, when I was rewatching this episode,

564
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 2: there are so many just fucking dope shots. Yes, and

565
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I don't know about camera, but I

566
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: feel like she's nailing it.

567
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, And.

568
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: We had such a love affair with Alison Liddy Brown

569
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: because she came back and directed the infamous seven fifty two.

570
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: I should have won every fucking acting award under the sun.

571
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: Also, Alison Lady Brown is queer.

572
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: She's you know, she's an openly gay woman, which I loved,

573
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, especially when she directed me

574
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: in seventy two because I'm openly as well. But I

575
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: don't know, it was just a cool thing to be like,

576
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: all right, cool, and I'm wearing a shirt that says

577
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: queer right now, Yes, you.

578
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: Are speaking about which I was thinking about this last night. Shit,

579
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: when we have Carrie on we have to ask her this.

580
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: I think Carry was like the last person to know

581
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: that Giarmo Diaz is an openly gay person. She was

582
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: like what, I feel like the first bunch of episodes,

583
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: we were all like pretty buttoned up about our personal lives.

584
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: I think we were all just like kind of nervous

585
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: and exceeded and like scared and trying to put like,

586
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: you know, we just didn't know if we were going

587
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: to be real life friends or like, you know, it

588
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: was just like I don't know if people like knew everything,

589
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: and I don't know at what episode I asked you

590
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: where do you live? And you said, oh, I live

591
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: in West Hollywood, right by the parade, And I.

592
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, shit, parade, Like.

593
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: I literally know what you were talking about. I was

594
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: like the parade, and then I was like, oh, the

595
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 2: fucking gay cry parade. Oh my god, is this person gay?

596
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: And then I ran home and I googled it and

597
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: I found out that you were, and I was like,

598
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: this is the fucking greatest news and slice bread. But

599
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: then I remember that Carrie. I don't know how she

600
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: found out, but I remember it was in like episode

601
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: seven of season one, while we were in Gideon's apartment

602
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: and he's dead on the floor. This is how it

603
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: is in my memory. I don't know if it's true.

604
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: And she found out that you were gay. I think

605
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: we were all talking and maybe I said it or something,

606
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: and she flipped out, screaming more. Because Carrie has an

607
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: inside of her where she's like, I'm the dork that's

608
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: the last to know.

609
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: Yes. She also has extreme fomo like fear of missing out,

610
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: like she needs to be in on every conversation, everything

611
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: that's happening, right, So I'm sure she was like, wait,

612
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: what how did I not know?

613
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: Yes, She's very like especially in OPA, it's such like,

614
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: you know, like a click of high school students who

615
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: were like all talking, talking, talking, talking, and if you're

616
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: like over to the left getting your hair and makeup done,

617
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: and you like miss a little tidbit of hot goss,

618
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: You're like, have you got to get in there?

619
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: You know?

620
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: So she felt like she hadn't known yet yes, And

621
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: I think she was the last of the OPA people

622
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: to know. So then what happens is this is insane.

623
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: Are you ready for this tidbit? I'm gonna give you Helen,

624
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: who's the girl that is accusing Travis of rape is

625
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: played by this actress named Helen Woglum. She and I

626
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: were an acting class together at Leslie Khan and she

627
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: was so.

628
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: So good good, yes, yes, yes, You've got.

629
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: That monologue where she's like, how much.

630
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: How much would it take for you?

631
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

632
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: How much would it take for you to be quiet

633
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: about being raped? To shut up? How much could you

634
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: be bought for? And her lip is all quivering and

635
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: she's so good. Were you in the room?

636
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: No, you're hu isn't in the room for that?

637
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: No, But I think that's the first time obviously with

638
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: the characters were Olivia and the other attorneys were and

639
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: they were all like, oh shit, this bitch is telling

640
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: the truth. Like we're fucked now, you know what I mean.

641
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: They were like, oh, she's not even taking the money.

642
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: She was like no, I don't want the money, like.

643
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then they're trying to get him ready for

644
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: trial and he says to Harrison, well, what does this mean?

645
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: They always take the money? And then Harrison calls Olivia

646
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: and he's like, I think he's paid people off before,

647
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: which sets all of OPA like down the path to know,

648
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 2: this guy's a fucking piece of shit, and Michael Cassidy

649
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: plays him so well.

650
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: Oh he's so good. He's so good. He's such a

651
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: great actress.

652
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: So good. The other thing that when they find out

653
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: Harrison goes to get the rape kit from Jerica.

654
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: Hint hit it in, Yes, who.

655
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: Ended up kicking ass so much that again, like I said,

656
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: Shanallane keeps it all in ensemble, like they gave her

657
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: an amazing job. She played Stephanie Edwards on Gray's Anatomy.

658
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: But how fucking great was her monologue?

659
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh oh good, so moving, so moving, but powerful

660
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: and like hell yeah, Like she just throws it back

661
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: at Harrison because he's sort of flirting with her in

662
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: the beginning. He's trying to get this rape kit, you

663
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And she's like, dude, you don't

664
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: got to flirt with me. Listen, I deal with these

665
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: women that have gone through this, you know, extremely traumatizing experience,

666
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: Like if you need something, I'll give you whatever you want,

667
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: but don't flirt with me, especially not in this room,

668
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: not right now and in this environment, you know what

669
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean. And she does it so freaking well. She's

670
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: so powerful, such a great freaking actress.

671
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: H Yeah, she does it so well. She's such a

672
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: good accurate matt Burne wrote this episode, which makes me

673
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: think of how long I've been with Matt burn because

674
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: matt Burne. First of all, it wasn't until reading these

675
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: pieces of paper that I even realized Matt burn was

676
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: with us from the beginning. Was he like I thought

677
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: he came in at season two. I can't believe he

678
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: wrote this episode.

679
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: I honestly, I was like, maybe season three or four.

680
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: I thought Matt burn sort of came in, But I

681
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: thought so too.

682
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: And he wrote Inventing Anna. No, yes, so I I

683
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: mean Seanna wrote it. I mean he was in the

684
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: writers for Inventing Anna. But he was like a big

685
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: dog on Inventing Anna. He wasn't like he was like executive.

686
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what his title was, but it was

687
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: a big title. And so I got to be with

688
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: him in New York for a while shooting Inventing Anna.

689
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: And it's just so cool to watch and having been

690
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: with someone sort of at the start, because I don't

691
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: actually think he was a television writer before scandal. I

692
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: think he was actually a journalist. I think he wrote

693
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: I think he was a journalist. And they in the

694
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: Scandal writer's room, especially at the beginning, they had a

695
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: lot of people who weren't television writers who could really

696
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: write in that sort of up against it taking clock

697
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: like article type way. But he wrote Inventing Anna and

698
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: where I'm like, I played this character Rachel Deloche Williams

699
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: and I'm sobbed. I'm crying like on the stand testifying.

700
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: And Matt Burne came in and he gave me like

701
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 2: an acting note and I was like, okay, you like me.

702
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

703
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: He came in and he was like, I'm I was

704
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: there at this actual trial of Amadelvi. He was at

705
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: the trial for doing research for this show, and he

706
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: was like, your character at this point is fucking ugly sobbing.

707
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: This isn't like fake wow, Like this isn't like even

708
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: just a little bit crying like boo, this is like

709
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: how ugly and unabandoned do you cry when no one's looking?

710
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh.

711
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: Fuck, which is the worst thing you could tell an

712
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: actor because then that pressure no tears anywhere to be found.

713
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: Don't freaking tell me that shit, Like really.

714
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: Dearmo, I was like, bring in the tearstick.

715
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: You're bringing them tearsticks.

716
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: Do you ever I use a tearstick?

717
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: Do you I have in the past, But yeah I have, Yeah,

718
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: for sure I have.

719
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: And then there's you know, you just never know. That's

720
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: the thing about acting.

721
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes it comes and you don't need that shit, and

722
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just not available. You're just not it's just

723
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: not there and you have to fake the funk and

724
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: that tears that comes in for the for our listeners,

725
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what a tearstick is. It's a freaking

726
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: little hollow stick that has like eucalyptus in the middle, right,

727
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: and and the makeup artist blows through it into your

728
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: eyes to make your eyes tear up, right, Katie.

729
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit. They have two different There's a

730
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: menthol stick that's a blower. Yeah, that's what she's talking about.

731
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: They like blow Menthol crystals into your eyes. It's essentially

732
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 2: like blasting vix vapor rub in your eyes, which makes

733
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: tears come. Or there's a lipstick tube that's menthol, like

734
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 2: a vix vapor rub in ellipstick form, and I would

735
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: just rub that underneath my eyes. Call action. Yeah, I

736
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: I literally think I did damage sometimes during between Scandal

737
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 2: and inventing Anna. There are times, like you said, where

738
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: I can cry on command and it's sign. But then

739
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: you're on our four yeah, of shooting the scene, and

740
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: you're so dried out and you're so like I can't,

741
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 2: like I don't even want to think about dead puppies anymore.

742
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: And if your coverage, if you're last up to get

743
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: your coverage, coverage is when they're you know, the camera's

744
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: pointed at you, and you do you do the scene,

745
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: you're featured. By the time they get to you. Sometimes

746
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: it's just you're drained. Like you said, it's it's just

747
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: not there, and sometimes it is, it comes out of nowhere.

748
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: That's what's so beautiful about acting, too, right, because it's

749
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: sort of magical and you never know. Sometimes crazy beautiful

750
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: stuff happens, and sometimes it doesn't. I agree, you know,

751
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: And that's what that's also like. Sometimes I'm like I

752
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: used to feel guilty, but then I was like, no,

753
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: like that's good acting too, Like I'm acting like I'm

754
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: really doing this shit and nobody's clocking me for it,

755
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean, Like that was good? Right?

756
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: Oh, you mean like if you feel like I know,

757
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: I used to be like oh fuck. Am I not

758
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: supposed to tell people I use a tear stick because

759
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: people think I'm going a crappy reactor.

760
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. We don't use it all the time.

761
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: It's it's once in a while when you feel like, Okay,

762
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: I need to I need to be there at this

763
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: level of emotions and I'm not there, so and then

764
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: you'll do it. But it doesn't We don't use it

765
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: all the time a lot of.

766
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: Times, you know, don't like to spend the whole time

767
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 2: thinking like, oh my god, there are no tears coming. Yeah,

768
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: you're just like taking yourself out of the scene. You're

769
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: not thinking about what you want from the other person.

770
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: Do you think Meryl Streep uses a tearstick?

771
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: Hell no, I don't think so.

772
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: But you think she's just that great, Yes, But.

773
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: I've also seen scenes where she's super emotional, know, and

774
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: crying and there's no tears and it still works and

775
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: her eyes are sort of well up and do you

776
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it doesn't have to be full.

777
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 3: On tears all the time.

778
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And again, she's so wonderful.

779
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: Somebody get fucking mail Streep on this podcast so that

780
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: we can I.

781
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: Want to know if that uses a tearstick?

782
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: Do you use a tear stick? I want to find out.

783
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: I've got to know somebody that knows her. I met

784
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 2: her daughter once. But do you think it'd be weird

785
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: if I went right up to her daughter be like,

786
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 2: does your mother tears?

787
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: It would be a little weird.

788
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: I think yeah, But I think you should still do

789
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: it because you're probably not that close with her.

790
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 2: Right, No, don't care if I promise here now today, folks,

791
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: if I run into Gracie Gummer, uh maybe Gummer.

792
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: I like those names.

793
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I run into them, I'm gonna ask them

794
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: if their mom uses a tearstick. Oh, we have to

795
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: talk about Carrie Washington and her first White House state

796
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: dinner dress. That is she no one wears clothes like

797
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: Kerry Washington.

798
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: So this is the first time we see Olivia Pope

799
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: dressed up going to a White House extravagant event. Right,

800
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: this is the first time we see her.

801
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: And it's remarkable. I mean, she looks so gorgeous and

802
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: when they're dancing and his hands are on her back

803
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: because the dress is backless and it's white, and I'm

804
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: just like, yes, you know again, Adam walked into the room.

805
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: He left and then he came back for this part

806
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 2: and he was like, my god, they were so good together.

807
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 3: Harry had good chemistry with that white dress.

808
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: That dress was outstanding. She looked remarkable.

809
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: It really was.

810
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so classy, so hot, and I also felt so

811
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: bad for Melly, like cut to like what Mellie's wearing

812
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: in like some sort of dumpy hairstyle and like a

813
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: crappy sort. It's not crappy, but it was like matronly.

814
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: Right compared to Olivia Pope. Yeah, I was like, oh.

815
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: Shit, Carrie had a lot of skin out and stuff,

816
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, Melly, you don't stand a

817
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: fucking chance.

818
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: That wig was on tight on Carry's head.

819
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: And their chemistry during the dancing when he was like

820
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: meet me in our spot, she's like, don't look at me,

821
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: don't look at me or whatever.

822
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: He goes to that spot to wait for her and

823
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: she's sort of on her way to meet him, and

824
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: Cyrus first stops Olivia and he's like, get out of here.

825
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: We don't want you here. We know you're trying to

826
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: blackmail us.

827
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Cause in the meanwhile, Cyrus receives a recording of Fits

828
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: having sex with a woman, and they obviously assume it's

829
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: Amanda Tanner, and Cyrus thinks that it was Olivia Pope

830
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: that is trying to blackmail them. So he stops Olivia

831
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: Pope in her tracks where she's going to meet Fitz,

832
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: and he's like, hell, no, fuck you think you're doing.

833
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: Get out of here, and he throws her out of

834
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: the White House.

835
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: And then he goes to the spot where Fits is

836
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: waiting for Olivia and he sort of, you know, tells him.

837
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 2: He's like, I know what you're doing. You're waiting here

838
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: for fucking Olivia.

839
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, well she's not coming because she's trying to blackmail us. Yeah.

840
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: It's really interesting how Cyrus is sort of that in

841
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: between that middle guy.

842
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: He is a sticky, tricky, smart character. He's just like

843
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: always looking. He's just doing what's in all what he

844
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: thinks is in his own best interest, no matter who. Yes,

845
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: he has to sort of cross and double he's playing

846
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: double sides all the time.

847
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he plays it so brilliantly, especially in

848
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: the scene, I mean always.

849
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's such an amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing,

850
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: amazing actor. Then this episode takes such a turn for

851
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: darkness for me, which is I sob when the mom

852
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 2: calls the cops on Travis, can I tell you what's

853
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: so dark and why I think that? And I'm so sorry?

854
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to go here.

855
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: Do you have a son now?

856
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

857
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it made you think, like, would I do

858
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: this to my kid?

859
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if I would. Hopefully I never

860
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: have to know, but I do. I get so worried

861
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: about raising a kind boy, a kind white boy in

862
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: this world and him ever hurting someone, and me being

863
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: completely aghast and shocked by, like, I can't believe I

864
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: like raised a monster. You know, she has all these

865
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: brilliant monologues where she was like I was never there,

866
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: I never made it to his games, and I'm fucking

867
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: all up in my son's shit.

868
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: You're such a present mom, Yeah, you're all up in

869
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: his grill.

870
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: Okay, what else happened we talked about in this episode?

871
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: What are other favorite things we.

872
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: Should talk about?

873
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: How the character who is accusing this young piece of

874
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: crap who supposed he raped her, we find out the

875
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: OPA team ends up discovering that it was her best

876
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: friend that in fact was raped by him. And she

877
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: then and that girl ended up killing herself. He paid

878
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: her off. She ends up killing herself, and so her

879
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: friend we cut to what is this character's name.

880
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: Helen, Yeah, Helen.

881
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: So Helen ends up dyeing her hair and sort of

882
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to say stalking because that has a

883
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: nasty edge because she was trying to get this guy

884
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: back for what he did to her best friend.

885
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's trying to blackmail him. No, what would the

886
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: word be.

887
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: She's trying to trick him into like taking her out

888
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: and having sex with her, and then she accuses him

889
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: of raping her. But you know, and so the OPA

890
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: team finds out and Booger ends up like destroying her

891
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: on the stand and she's crying. It's such a sad

892
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: emotional scene because you feel for her. You're like, she's

893
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: she was fucking stepping up for her best friend who

894
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: ended up killing herself because this guy raped her. So

895
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm gonna dye my hair, I'm gonna

896
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: find this dude. Then I'm gonna end up accusing him. Anyway,

897
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: it was all obviously, you know, when it's all discovered,

898
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: they can't prosecute because it wasn't her it was her friend.

899
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: And Travis fucking gets off because he's a piece of shit,

900
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: and then the moment has to make this choice about

901
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: calling the you know, Olivia goes to her door and says,

902
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: what he did wasn't your fault, but how you handle.

903
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: It now is right exactly, yeah.

904
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 2: And so she calls the cops on him, and then

905
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: I freak out about raising a sun.

906
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: And the mother ends up calling the cops on him

907
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: and they take him away, which is so satisfying.

908
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: It's so great, and he's like, what's so satisfying? Get

909
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here, as we would say, we'll

910
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: be right back. The other thing. I love two more

911
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: things about this episode m Okay three one. Tony says,

912
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: why do you invite live? And Mellie says, in that

913
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: classic creepy, fucking Bellamy knows all type way, she's just like,

914
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: you needed to see her. You slept better last night,

915
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 2: didn't you? And You're like, what the fuck is going

916
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: on with this relationship?

917
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeh? She knows?

918
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: What does she know? How much does she know? This

919
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: feels so icky and so interesting and I love it

920
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: and the way that Bellamy Young is able to just

921
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: like fucking deliver that in two lines is ridiculous.

922
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 1: She kind of lowers her voice. She goes down here.

923
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: I know now you can sleep, can't you.

924
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: We ought to make her do that on this podcast.

925
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I was gonna say, speaking to memorable lines.

926
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: This is this the episode where Hucks says to Quinn.

927
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: You're weird.

928
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: Weird is good, which I love.

929
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't believe we almost stepped over that. No.

930
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: I remember getting that monologue and it said scandal paste

931
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: as fast as you can say it, Katie, where I

932
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: call Giddeon and I'm like, you were.

933
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: So good and so fast in that scene.

934
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: And that beautiful shot of that like stained glass like

935
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: piece of art whatever it was behind you. Oh, it's

936
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: such a great And then Huck is waiting at the

937
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: door and he says, and.

938
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: You say you're weird, and I say, no, I'm not,

939
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: and you say weird it's good, and I say, thank you.

940
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: We're so stark.

941
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 2: It's the best. Weird is good. And right here, right

942
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: now is even like the beginning of the Quinn Hawk shit. Yes, yes,

943
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 2: you're already seeing what they're fucking doing. Like, yeah, I'm

944
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: not sure if they knew or they didn't know.

945
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they were starting to kind of feel

946
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: feel it going that way, you know what I mean.

947
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: It's just so great. And then another scene that's stuck out.

948
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were going to say this

949
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: one too, is when she's at the bar and she's

950
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: waiting for Gideon and he Hawks shows up and he's like,

951
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: put your.

952
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 3: Hair down, flirt a little bit, but not too much.

953
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: Don't drink the real drinks. Drink you drink this. You

954
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: pay off the bardunder by the way, we see the

955
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: Quinn hawk thing, and then we see Quinn say to live,

956
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: which I kind of I didn't like, hate my performance,

957
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: which is good. I said, well, I trust my gut

958
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: and I think she's lying. Yeah, And I just fast

959
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: forwarded all the way to like the end of the

960
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 2: series where Opa is QPA and this whole thing started

961
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: because Olivia Pope, I mean didn't start. She can do

962
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: a million things, but one of the things that makes

963
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: Olivia Olivia is her gut. And we already see from

964
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: the beginning of Scandal that Quinn's got one too.

965
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: I thought of that too. It's so brilliant.

966
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: But then I at first I was like, fuck is

967
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: in Olivia supposed to be the only one that you know,

968
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: goes with her gut. But then I thought, well, that's

969
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: the whole reason that she put this team together. That's

970
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: the reason why she got freaking Lindsay Dwyer and changed

971
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: her identity. She knew there was something special about You,

972
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: about Uck, about Harrison, about Abby, about all of them.

973
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: They're all flawed, but then they're all sort of brilliant

974
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: in their own way too. So you see when Quinn says,

975
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: you know, I trust my gut, and you know, I

976
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: think she's lying, Olivia has that sort of moment of like, wait,

977
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? But then it sort of

978
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: clicks for her and she's like, oh shit, okay, this girl,

979
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: this girl's got a gut too. Whoa which I love.

980
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: The other crazy thing that I have read about on

981
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 2: the Internet that exists in this like the interweb dark net.

982
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: Remember we would always talk about the dark net.

983
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: On the dark Web, Yes, yeah, yeah.

984
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: Dark Web. Some fans seem to think in this whole

985
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 2: like Olivia has a gut and Quinn has a gut,

986
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 2: and maybe from the beginning they knew that OPA was

987
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: going to turn into QPA. Supposedly, some fans think that

988
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: Quinn is only named Quinn because it's the closest letter

989
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: from an Oh, Like, all you would have to do

990
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 2: to make opa qpa is add that a line.

991
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 3: Think, yeah, what is that? There's got to be a

992
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 3: name for that little line in the queue, right, I wonder.

993
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: That's got to be on purpose? Olivia Pope and associates. Yeah,

994
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: when Perkins and associates.

995
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: And Perkins, Oh shit.

996
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: Is that I have goosebum web is fucking crazy?

997
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: Right?

998
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: And then the episode ends with the big reveal that

999
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: Amanda Tanner is with child.

1000
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: As they used to have to say in the fifties

1001
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: on Is Love Lucy, they couldn't say pregnant. They had

1002
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: to say with child or true. Yeah, they couldn't even

1003
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: say I'm pregnant.

1004
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Amanda Tanner is pregnant with what we seem

1005
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: to believe is President Fitzgerald Grant's baby, and she's only

1006
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: asked for a sit down meeting with him, that's what

1007
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: she wants.

1008
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1009
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: Some fun facts about this episode is that David Rosen

1010
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: is seen with a.

1011
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: Dog um perro.

1012
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: Un perro.

1013
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: Oh.

1014
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: Remember on the Scandal days where I'd be like, let's

1015
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: try going a whole day where gamme gamar only to

1016
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: Spanish to me so that I could learn Spanish, and

1017
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: I would make it one minute.

1018
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: I'd be like, well, okay, said kid, and Katie was like.

1019
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: Okay, you can't do it, can't do it. Don't understand

1020
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: what you're talking about. And I'd love to talk too much.

1021
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: And then we'd be like, let's go see what food

1022
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: they got in the in the you know, a crafty

1023
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: let's go look it forod.

1024
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: So he's got a dog in this episode. It's the

1025
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: only time the dog appears and never appears again.

1026
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think.

1027
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: They're probably just like this is so expensive, Like fuck.

1028
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: It, I mean, and also like, you know, how many

1029
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: opportunities were there to be like let's bring in the

1030
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: big dog.

1031
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 3: You know, he was either in.

1032
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: His office or at OPA or wherever, so he kind

1033
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: of you know, I get that the dog phased out.

1034
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1035
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: The working title for the episode was actually a Woman Scorned.

1036
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: The title comes from the phrase hell half no fury,

1037
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: like a woman scorned. Wait, so it's called hell half

1038
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: no Fury.

1039
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it.

1040
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: Was originally a woman scorn. I think maybe because a

1041
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: woman scorned people wouldn't know that was from a saying.

1042
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess they wanted to leave it sort

1043
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: of a little bit more encompassing of a lot of

1044
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: stuff and accept instead of focusing in on woman the

1045
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: woman part.

1046
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: Maybe Oh that's a good point.

1047
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: Perhaps, I don't know.

1048
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: In wrapping up, should we do some tweets at the time?

1049
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: Oh you ready for?

1050
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: Oh shit? Time time time, time, tweet tweet, tweets at

1051
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: the ties.

1052
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: Tweets at the time, y'all.

1053
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so many of these tweets that I'm reading.

1054
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: From April twenty sixth, there's a tweet from Giermo Diaz.

1055
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 2: What did you tweet?

1056
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: Dude?

1057
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: I don't even freaking remember why I tweeted that shit.

1058
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: It looks like it's a response to something, right, because

1059
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: I say, stop trying to make fetch happen? Lol?

1060
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: Thanks Mike, glad you're enjoying Scandal ABC. Who the hell

1061
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: was I talking to?

1062
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: Why is that guy Mike one trying to make fetch happen?

1063
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: Right?

1064
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,479
Speaker 2: What is he talking about?

1065
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: And is that Mike Webb my boyfriend? Like I wonder

1066
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: if that's because my boyfriend's name is Mike, But I

1067
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: wonder because I remember he was on Twitter for like

1068
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: a hot second.

1069
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: But then what was Mike's Twitter name? Do you remember it?

1070
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: I don't remember because he was literally on for a second,

1071
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: so I wonder if that was him.

1072
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: Anyway, we won't ever know, but let me tell you

1073
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: something that guy Mike won Fetch never happens.

1074
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: Fetch never happened. Unscandal Bye balloon. Oh that's a whole

1075
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: other thing we got to talk about when that episode

1076
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: comes up by balloon.

1077
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: No, the balloon seed I think was cut. Oh no way,

1078
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: I don't think it ever made it to air. I

1079
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 2: really don't, but we'll get there.

1080
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: We could, but we could. We remember the episode so

1081
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: we can still talk about.

1082
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: So then Natalie Abrams also tweeted this night scandal tweets

1083
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: at the Times, and Natalie Abrams was like a fucking

1084
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 2: huge journalist, reporter fan who covered scandal from the start

1085
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: when nobody was like the beginning of scandal, nobody cared,

1086
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: nobody gave us press, nobody cared. Nobody cared except for

1087
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: Natalie Abrams. She wrote, in case you missed it, hashtag

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Speaker 2: scandalscoop will Quinn's relationship with Gideon get her into trouble.

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Speaker 2: That's not that interesting, but anyway, shout out to Natalie Abrams.

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Speaker 2: We love you. Carrie tweeted a tweet that night of

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Speaker 2: a picture of her in the incredible dress with her

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Speaker 2: shy makeup artist, Sherry, and she wrote, we have the

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Speaker 2: best crew on TV at Scandal ABC. Love Yes, Sherry Knight,

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Speaker 2: who was Carrie's makeup artist for all seven years, she

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Speaker 2: needs to come on this podcast. We love her so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we love her.

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Speaker 2: Are there any other good ones? Gee?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another good one from Mozilla Junior and she says,

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Speaker 1: Cyrus in Scandal is a lion.

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Speaker 3: Bleep, bleep, bleep.

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Speaker 1: I think what she meant to say is Cyrus in

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Speaker 1: Scandal is a lion piece of shit. Exclamation exclamation by

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Speaker 1: exclamation esclamation point, and then she says I'm angry exclamation

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Speaker 1: point hashtag scandal.

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Speaker 2: This is really starting to ramp about. Oh, someone's got

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Speaker 2: a good note for us. Sad bitch Summer at Twinkies

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Speaker 2: and Wine says the only bad thing about Scandal that

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Speaker 2: the transitions are seizure inducing.

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Speaker 1: I love her, I think she means because the clicks

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Speaker 1: of the camera right it is sort of.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, good luck, because we use the shit out

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Speaker 2: of that sound effect for seven years.

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Speaker 1: Yes, someone else tweeted, and another thing is the person's

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Speaker 1: sort of name, Mesha Crump. Yeah, Olivia Pope is a bad,

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Speaker 1: bad woman.

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Speaker 3: Exclamation point. Oh wow, people are starting to get their

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Speaker 3: feelings about the show.

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Speaker 2: But also it's the beginning of the show where I

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Speaker 2: feel like people didn't know which way to feel about

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Speaker 2: Olivia Pope because very soon we're gonna see from tweet

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Speaker 2: to at the time that Olivia Pope can do no wrong.

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Speaker 2: I really feel like, at a certain point, Olivia Pope

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Speaker 2: was the greatest fucking superhero to have ever graced everyone's

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Speaker 2: television screens on Thursday nights at nine or ten o'clock,

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Speaker 2: and no one ever tweeted bad shit about Olivia Pope.

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Speaker 2: And god forbid, you were a character on Scandal who

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Speaker 2: was against Olivia Pope at the time, you were fucked.

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Speaker 1: And even when she fucking killed that dude with a chair,

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Speaker 1: people were still Olivia. She's so wonderful, Olivia.

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Speaker 2: The way you killed that guy with a fucking chair.

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Speaker 1: She freaking clobbered this motherfucker and killed him.

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Speaker 2: Pay you rigged an election, the way you cheat. We

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Speaker 2: love you. You can do no wrong. Olivia Pope is fucking perfect.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: At this point, people just like weren't sure. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is only episode three of the one hundred and twenty.

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Speaker 2: I think we did one hundred.

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Speaker 1: One super super early on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gee, did you know? Like I know, we do

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Speaker 2: tweets of the time, But I also think that during

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Speaker 2: the show there were actual real life scandals of the time.

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Speaker 1: A lot of scandals. Listen, I bet there were scandals

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Speaker 1: left and right during this whole show. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: scandals every day, which.

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Speaker 2: We have to do that research too, which I'll put

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Speaker 2: you on Gearmo. Since you're the researcher of the show

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Speaker 2: who researches all the guest stars in their links to

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Speaker 2: horror films, I need you to also put on the

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Speaker 2: list scandals of the time.

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Speaker 3: I'm on it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this, g I kind

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Speaker 2: of don't, but tell me if you do. During the

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Speaker 2: airing of this episode, all these secret service dudes were

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Speaker 2: relieved of their duties because they were all messing around

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Speaker 2: with prostitutes allegedly. Yeah. But that's what's so crazy about

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Speaker 2: Scandal is that, like nothing we did was far from truth.

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Speaker 1: Yea ever, but also that sounds so vanilla right now

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, when the twice impeached disgraced former

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Speaker 1: president like stole literal documents from the White House and

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Speaker 1: he has them in his freaking year you're so right house,

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Speaker 1: so wherever the hell it is, And that a couple

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Speaker 1: of prostitutes for these secret agents, like yo, they don't

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Speaker 1: have time to go date and go to bars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're working twenty four hour fucking shifts trying to

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Speaker 2: keep the fucking most important person of the free world alive.

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Speaker 2: It's like they need to pay for a quick fifteen

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Speaker 2: minute blowjob.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Listen, sex work is a is a respectable like

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Speaker 1: legitimate business.

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Speaker 2: And have you ever been to Amsterdam?

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Speaker 3: I haven't.

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Speaker 1: No. I thought you can ask me if I've ever

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Speaker 1: hired a prostitute.

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Speaker 2: In Amsterdam where sex work is legal. It's so fascinating.

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Speaker 2: But at seven o'clock in the morning, people are just

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Speaker 2: like there's the line of the rows that are you know,

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Speaker 2: men women in straight gay this that the other thing.

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Speaker 2: You're walking past their little role their little rooms with

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Speaker 2: the little and it's all like regulated and measured and safe.

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Speaker 3: And like a transaction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a transaction. What were we talking about Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: the Secret Service.

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Speaker 1: Guys that that scandal doesn't seem like seem so vanilla

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Speaker 1: right now, right like the fact that that was a

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Speaker 1: scandal back then. Now it's like really like.

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Speaker 2: I love scandals of the times, though it does seem vanilla.

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Speaker 2: I hope all those Secret Service agents have found employment

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Speaker 2: since then, I guess.

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Speaker 1: Or have married some of their you know prostitutes, found

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Speaker 1: love perhaps, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sure, or now that they're unemployed they have lots of

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Speaker 2: free time to date.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, they don't have to pay for sex exactly.

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Speaker 2: Well, it brings up to the point of Harrison in

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Speaker 2: the season one where you know, when Abby's so fucking

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Speaker 2: mad at him about him that Stephen uses you know,

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Speaker 2: the dame to pay for sex mad all these the

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Speaker 2: madam exactly, and Harrison is like, well, like whatever, we're

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Speaker 2: all paying for it. I do it. You know, whether

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Speaker 2: it's for dinners or nights out or take into the

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Speaker 2: movies or some fancy restaurant. I mean, it's the same bullshit,

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Speaker 2: different day. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like there you have it, listeners, there you have it.

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Speaker 2: Scandals of the Time. Yes, Gladiators, we love you. This

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Speaker 2: is the joy of my life to get to just

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Speaker 2: hang out with gierramal Diez and talk about Scandal and

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Speaker 2: relive these amazing memories and experiences we had. Yes, you guys,

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Speaker 2: we have such exciting fun things. This was episode one

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Speaker 2: oh three. And we've got guests coming out that you're

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Speaker 2: not coming up and out. I sort of mashed those

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Speaker 2: words both.

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Speaker 3: Maybe some of them are coming out too, you never know.

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Speaker 2: We've got Akxana Bayoule coming out.

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Speaker 1: We got Akxana Bayola, who I want to make a correction.

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Speaker 1: She's not a Russian skater. She was a Ukrainian skater. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to but yes, and Olexana Bayoule and

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Speaker 1: Brendan Hines, I hope are very happy to No, that's

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Speaker 1: not there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're we can have their We should have them

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Speaker 2: on talk about their wedding. We have exciting guests coming on.

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Speaker 2: Stick with us, so much fun recapping of episodes, and

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Speaker 2: we have like I can't even tell you the guests.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be talking to all of your favorite

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Speaker 2: Scandal characters and how they came to be, oh.

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Speaker 3: Pa, the White House, like they're all going to be

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Speaker 3: on here.

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