Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. Come that for me. I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edo State?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 4: Whoo whoom?
Speaker 1: And Dan and Tie.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal Boys and girls. My
Speaker 4: name is Ty hilden Brand. I am joined as always
Speaker 4: by my friend, my colleague and co host so many years,
Speaker 4: Dan Rubinstein. Don't forget to subscribe at iTunes dot com,
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Speaker 1: Dan, how are you? I'm good.
Speaker 2: We can also add drinking pals. Yeah, that that list.
Speaker 2: I mean we haven't done it in a long time,
Speaker 2: but after the Pisman Trophy. During the Pisman Trophy, I
Speaker 2: think drinking pals would be an appropriate bullet point to
Speaker 2: add to our collective resume.
Speaker 4: Got a little loose there afterwards. Gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 4: Travis Haney's a bad influence on me person, is he?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: He liked drinking that heavy porter type beer, which doesn't
Speaker 4: really work well with my stomach.
Speaker 1: Sure, but you know, held my own. I don't know.
Speaker 1: How do you feel yesterday? Not great?
Speaker 4: Time.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna lie as a non drinker or
Speaker 2: somebody who drinks like one drink every five or six weeks.
Speaker 2: I think I had four Friday night at the Pisman.
Speaker 2: It was a really good time, had all sorts of
Speaker 2: fun people there. So happy that Brian O'Neil from pitt
Speaker 2: was able to take it home. Would have been happy
Speaker 2: with all three of the candidates, Vincent Taylor, Colton Cook
Speaker 2: taking home the hardware, the pie wear. Yeah, so that
Speaker 2: was an incredible event. So many friends of Espionation and
Speaker 2: the Solid Verbal were there. Everything was first class. Loved it.
Speaker 2: Ate myself sick, drank myself, not quite sick, but I
Speaker 2: had four and that's a lot for old Aunt Dan.
Speaker 1: Four for you. Then we did the pizza thing afterwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went got pizza with our pal Bill Barnwell
Speaker 2: and talked to Emo some more talk.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was a great time. Got to meet
Speaker 4: some new people I had never met before. Chris Brown
Speaker 4: from Smart Football was there, talked to him for a bit.
Speaker 4: Chip Patterson i met for the first time. I would
Speaker 4: vote for Chip for president.
Speaker 1: Oh. Chip has like a gravitas when he walks in
Speaker 1: a room, there's just a Warmth there.
Speaker 4: Great to meet him and some others who I'm sure
Speaker 4: I'm forgetting and yeah, so thank you again for the invite.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And last night was the I guess, the second class
Speaker 2: college football award.
Speaker 1: The Heisman, if you will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even I know Lamar Jackson wanted. I
Speaker 2: honestly couldn't tell you the order of voting. Do you
Speaker 2: have that in front of you?
Speaker 4: I have it in front of me. It was I
Speaker 4: thought a little closer than I expected. Lamar Jackson came
Speaker 4: in first with twenty one and forty four points. Deshaun
Speaker 4: Watson bubbled up. He came in second. He had fifteen
Speaker 4: twenty four, So a sizable margin for sure between Lamar
Speaker 4: Jackson and to Shawn Watson. But still I thought a
Speaker 4: little bit closer than I expected. Baker Mayfield came in third,
Speaker 4: DeeDee Westbrook came in fourth, and then Jabroll Peppers finished
Speaker 4: in fifth place. So you know, there was a pretty
Speaker 4: big gap between two and three. It was pretty apparent
Speaker 4: that voters favored Lamar Jackson and Watson above above the
Speaker 4: other three who were in New York.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, like it's hard for me at this point
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen to get upset over the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2: It's by nature so arbitrary, So how do you get
Speaker 2: upset about the finalists or whoever wins it based on
Speaker 2: qualifications that are sort of unclear? So at this point
Speaker 2: it's just sort of like, this guy's the most fun,
Speaker 2: and what makes them the most fun? Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: everybody has different definitions of fun. Who's to say.
Speaker 4: The reason that I watch it is not because again
Speaker 4: I'm not going to go back through the diatribe about
Speaker 4: how I feel about individual awards. The reason that I watched, though,
Speaker 4: is just to see how they handle the broadcast. And
Speaker 4: for me, it almost felt, and this is going to
Speaker 4: sound crazy, I know, it almost felt like they were
Speaker 4: trying to make the Heisman feel a little less pretentious, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, we we did this Pisman thing on Friday
Speaker 4: night and it was clear that it was not taking
Speaker 4: itself too seriously.
Speaker 1: The Heisman.
Speaker 4: It almost felt as if they tried to do a
Speaker 4: little bit of that with the broadcast, and to me,
Speaker 4: it just felt disorganized compared to what I'm used to.
Speaker 4: That just it didn't quite pair up. But nonetheless a
Speaker 4: great ceremony. Congratulations to Lamar Jackson, who incorporated every fashion
Speaker 4: element in his attire.
Speaker 1: I thought he looked great.
Speaker 4: I thought he pulled it off too. He really did.
Speaker 4: The solid wife said the exact same man. He can
Speaker 4: pull that off. And you know, a great story, a
Speaker 4: great story. Congratulations to him in Louisville fans everywhere. It
Speaker 4: was a remarkable season.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's the cool thing is that a fan base gets
Speaker 2: to celebrate something fun on a national stage. So even
Speaker 2: though I find the heisman to be arbitrary and not
Speaker 2: super exciting, it is cool for Louisville fans and obviously
Speaker 2: for Lamar Jackson. So it's a happy, good thing in
Speaker 2: college football.
Speaker 1: Good thing. Hooray. Okay.
Speaker 4: The other I guess heartwarming story, if you will call
Speaker 4: it that from Saturday was that Army beat Navy.
Speaker 2: Army beat Navy after fourteen straight losses.
Speaker 1: Does that sound right?
Speaker 4: Fourteen straight losses? They won the game twenty one seventeen
Speaker 4: are trusted operative. Taylor Swink was down there. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: we got some great reviews on what he put together
Speaker 4: on snapchat. I can't wait to hear what he does
Speaker 4: in audio form, which we'll play back on our Wednesday show.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it just seems like a really cool experience
Speaker 4: to go down there. The tailgating scene was vibrant, and
Speaker 4: you know, clearly Army capitalizes on this moment. It was
Speaker 4: a good year for Army, their Bowl bound for the
Speaker 4: first time in forever, to now beat their I don't
Speaker 4: want to call them hated rival, but clearly their rival Navy.
Speaker 4: This is a pretty big way to cap a season.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to see it. It's good that that's a
Speaker 2: there's a back and forth with that game and Navy,
Speaker 2: even though they came in with a good amount of momentum. Listen, Ty,
Speaker 2: you know what you got to do in these big
Speaker 2: rivalry games. We've told you to say it week out.
Speaker 2: Throw them right out, baby, gotta throw them out. You
Speaker 2: got a little bit of breaking news these past few days.
Speaker 1: We had breaking.
Speaker 2: It looks like Charlie Strong is going to be the
Speaker 2: next USF coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, move, good higher.
Speaker 2: Very strong. Yes, he is going to recruit well, he
Speaker 2: is going to do a lot of what Willy Taggart
Speaker 2: did in sort of getting every single kid who might
Speaker 2: be borderline USF UCF in state who you know, maybe
Speaker 2: not getting the Miami Florida Florida State offers, but is
Speaker 2: certainly of that caliber like Willy Taggert did at USF.
Speaker 2: I imagine he will improve that defense dramatically after it
Speaker 2: took that one year dip without Tom Allen when he
Speaker 2: went to Indiana. I imagine he will continue to delegate
Speaker 2: offensively like he was able to do with some success
Speaker 2: at Texas, and he will continue momentum there in Tampa.
Speaker 2: So I think I think it's a very smart hire.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately for USF, I imagine if he succeeds, he probably
Speaker 2: won't be there for a terrible long time, but that's okay.
Speaker 2: Keep succeeding at USF, keep.
Speaker 1: Succeeding at USF.
Speaker 4: It's clearly a part of the country he's very familiar with,
Speaker 4: and I think that will play to his favor.
Speaker 1: So it was a good move for them.
Speaker 4: I also saw that speaking of geographical sense, yes, Cincinnati
Speaker 4: hired Luke Fickel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, yeah, that makes good sense. He
Speaker 2: obviously had the year of interim head coaching when Jim
Speaker 2: Tressel left unexpectedly we'll call it. But he's been in
Speaker 2: at Ohio State for some time now, is familiar geographically
Speaker 2: with the region, Cincinnati took a huge step back this
Speaker 2: past year on both sides of the ball. So if
Speaker 2: nothing else, Luke Fickle will recruit talent to Cincinnati and
Speaker 2: will get them competitive, I hope, because I like a
Speaker 2: fun censey sooner rather than later, because they're a team,
Speaker 2: not unlike Houston, that is near talent and can be
Speaker 2: dangerous to teams that perhaps have even more talents. So
Speaker 2: rooting for Luke Fickle after a rocky time for a
Speaker 2: little bit in Columbus so should be fun to see
Speaker 2: sinc improve.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They called him the best fit for the position, and
Speaker 4: I feel good for him, I really do. He seems
Speaker 4: like an incredibly loyal guy who was just waiting for
Speaker 4: the right opportunity to come around. And he's an assistant
Speaker 4: coach that is widely respected for the work he's done.
Speaker 1: The interim year was tough. It was tough.
Speaker 4: He might not have been ready for that on the
Speaker 4: stage like Ohio State, but I think he probably learned
Speaker 4: a lot from it. And Cincinnati's getting a good guy,
Speaker 4: so good for them.
Speaker 1: It's a nice hire. I like it.
Speaker 2: Also major apple White at Houston.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so originally it sounded like it was going to
Speaker 4: be lane Kiffin. There was a report out on Friday,
Speaker 4: I think later last week whenever it was that it
Speaker 4: looked like lane Kiffin was going to get that job,
Speaker 4: and then it sounds as if things broke down, they
Speaker 4: ultimately go to Major apple White instead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Major apple White because of pending and ongoing litigation,
Speaker 2: was almost certainly not going to go with Tom Herman
Speaker 2: to Texas because of his own time at Texas as
Speaker 2: it relates to the litigation. But Major apple White somebody
Speaker 2: who I think has improved his stock over the years.
Speaker 2: I know Alabama fans weren't huge fans of his when
Speaker 2: he was their offensive coordinator in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 2: but that was a very different looking Alabama team early
Speaker 2: on in Saban's tenure, and it seemed that Langkiffin didn't
Speaker 2: have quite the support that Major apple woit had, especially
Speaker 2: since apple White has the recruiting connections in East Texas
Speaker 2: and Texas, and that it feels like a momentum play,
Speaker 2: which isn't always the best move. You just got to
Speaker 2: find the best person and assume that they can generate momentum.
Speaker 2: But here we are, and Major apple White was I
Speaker 2: would imagine a large part of Greg Ward's success at quarterback.
Speaker 2: So that was sort of the thinking behind Mark Helfrich
Speaker 2: and the Oregon job. That continuity for Marcus Mariota, and
Speaker 2: it worked in the short term and not necessarily the
Speaker 2: long term. I hope it goes differently from major apple
Speaker 2: White and Houston.
Speaker 4: I have to believe this is all trending in a
Speaker 4: direction where lane Kiffin ends up at LSU or back
Speaker 4: at Bama.
Speaker 2: I don't think lane Kiffin's back at Bama.
Speaker 1: No, no, I think that's done.
Speaker 2: And it appears that even Sark, who a lot of
Speaker 2: people thought was the backup plan, that he may be
Speaker 2: done in Bama as well. I'm not sure what Bama
Speaker 2: does at offensive coordinator if and when Lane Kiffin leaves,
Speaker 2: and the NFL could be an option for lane Kiffin
Speaker 2: as an offensive coordinator. I saw our pal Travis Haney,
Speaker 2: who you mentioned is a bad influence, but a good
Speaker 2: college football information influence.
Speaker 4: Great influence, yeah, great influence in terms of information.
Speaker 2: Yes, he thinks you know, It's just that that marriage
Speaker 2: has run its course. Okay, Lane Kiff and Nick Saban
Speaker 2: and Alabama, So it will be interesting to see where
Speaker 2: he ends up, and it'll be interesting to see where
Speaker 2: Alabama goes at offensive coordinator. If I would imagine Mark
Speaker 2: Helfrich may be in the mix at LSU if that
Speaker 2: doesn't work out for any of the former USC guys.
Speaker 2: Hey Mark Helfrich to Obama, I don't know, ma'am.
Speaker 1: That would be weird marriage.
Speaker 2: It would be a huge win for Alabama, especially matt A.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with a dual threat quarterback like Jalen Hurtz. Yes,
Speaker 4: Mark Helfrich has had success with that formula before, hasn't.
Speaker 2: He He has, And I think and Helfrich is somebody
Speaker 2: who I've always liked as a human and who I've
Speaker 2: always liked as a focus. Like he didn't run the
Speaker 2: he co ran the offense with Ship Kelly at Oregon,
Speaker 2: and he is considered to be by everybody that's come
Speaker 2: across him just like a like an extremely intelligent, smart
Speaker 2: football mind. And at Alabama, where he's not going to
Speaker 2: be required to run the day to day and he's
Speaker 2: not going to be required to recruit with the same
Speaker 2: level of intensity as a head coach somewhere so far
Speaker 2: away from recruits as he was at Oregon, that would
Speaker 2: be He'll be a huge win for whoever he ends up.
Speaker 4: With interesting and I think this all means that Les
Speaker 4: Miles ends up with ESPN.
Speaker 1: Uh, that's what it appears.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he apparently the Houston interview didn't go super well,
Speaker 2: and that's good for us. I like hearing Les Miles speak.
Speaker 2: He's fun.
Speaker 1: He'd be terrific in any capacity on ESPN.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ESPN, even if he ends up at Fox Sports,
Speaker 2: which is certainly more Southwest and West Coast oriented, it'd
Speaker 2: be whoever gets him, it'd be a great, great job.
Speaker 4: The only other tidbit I have, yeah, is on the
Speaker 4: solid verbal front.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what else we got?
Speaker 4: So? We have discussed this here and there. We've been
Speaker 4: wanting to do a live gig up in New York
Speaker 4: City for a while now, and we talked about doing
Speaker 4: it at some point in December, but as these things go,
Speaker 4: it got tough to do in December. We are now
Speaker 4: working on a postseason post mortem show the weekend following
Speaker 4: the National Championship, so that'd be January fourteenth. We are
Speaker 4: close to nailing down some sort of venue, Dan, Is
Speaker 4: that accurate information.
Speaker 2: It's a great venue. There's food there, good food there,
Speaker 2: college football related food there where. We haven't signed anything.
Speaker 2: We haven't agreed with anything yet, but the conversations are
Speaker 2: very good. January fourteenth, New York City, in sort of
Speaker 2: downtown Midtown. It's sort of midtown ish, so it should
Speaker 2: be pretty central for everybody in the general vicinity or
Speaker 2: anybody coming from outside of the city. Extremely limited in
Speaker 2: the way of seating, like probably it's sort of like
Speaker 2: a I don't know if it's a live show as
Speaker 2: much as a sort of live pow wow. So like
Speaker 2: forty or fifty people somewhere in there. So when well,
Speaker 2: as soon as we nail down the details, we will
Speaker 2: let you know. I would grab a ticket or two,
Speaker 2: and how we figure out how to do that is TVD.
Speaker 2: I would grab it as probably quickly as possible because
Speaker 2: we're not renting out Radio City.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: No, not like the Verbies last year. Right, No, not
Speaker 2: like the Verbis last year. That was I mean, everybody
Speaker 2: came around for that. That was wonderful. But January fourteenth,
Speaker 2: New York City, it's going to be very, very fun
Speaker 2: and with a lot of food.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more on that front. We promised to
Speaker 4: make that available as soon as we can. I think
Speaker 4: that does it for news Dan. I think so if
Speaker 4: you're up for it.
Speaker 1: Shall we talk through the first wave of bowl games?
Speaker 3: We had like four days off, yes, four days DA
Speaker 3: time to help the week, all right, So listen, don't
Speaker 3: forget to join the pick a pool.
Speaker 1: The links are out there.
Speaker 4: They're on Facebook and Twitter as well as soliverbo dot com.
Speaker 1: I have yet to do that, but okay, I will.
Speaker 1: I promise.
Speaker 4: We have had some people ask us about the rules
Speaker 4: of a confidence pool. How does it work? Basically, you're
Speaker 4: picking straight up winners. So you go through, take a pass,
Speaker 4: pick who you think is going to win each game.
Speaker 4: Then you go back and you rank each game from
Speaker 4: one to forty two in terms of how confident you
Speaker 4: are in the result. One is your least confident. Forty
Speaker 4: two is the game you're most confident in. If you
Speaker 4: win the game, that you put a forty two next
Speaker 4: to that means that you get forty two confidence points.
Speaker 4: You add that to your score correct, and so on
Speaker 4: and so forth. This year, I'm going to deploy a
Speaker 4: new strategy East Coast Elliott, who you know mm hmm,
Speaker 4: was on the early infancy of this podcast. Wildly unreliable,
Speaker 4: just a total wildcard from top to bottom. Yes, I
Speaker 4: manage a fantasy baseball team with East Coast Elliott a
Speaker 4: total wildcard, believe me, But I love him and he's
Speaker 4: better at bowl confidence pools than any human I've ever met.
Speaker 4: His strategy, I probably shouldn't be given this out. I
Speaker 4: should probably charge like Wow nineteen ninety five for this
Speaker 4: kind of advice. It's been so his strategy is to
Speaker 4: front load your confidence points. The theory is that there's
Speaker 4: a bigger disparity between teams at the smaller early bowls
Speaker 4: than at like the later, bigger bulls that everybody knows. Okay,
Speaker 4: and trust me, it sounds kind of crazy, especially when
Speaker 4: you put pen to paper, but literally every time he's
Speaker 4: been in a bullpool like this, he's been top ten,
Speaker 4: and it sort of makes sense. There's a crazy genius
Speaker 4: to it that feels like it could actually work. Every
Speaker 4: online system, including the one that we're using over at ESPN,
Speaker 4: Every online system defaults to giving you those early games
Speaker 4: with a lesser confidence rating, Elliott says. Elliott says, flip
Speaker 4: the script, get all your points early. So it's it's
Speaker 4: an interesting way to go at it. The caveat, though,
Speaker 4: is you got to pick the games right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you don't pick the games right, and that's hard in
Speaker 4: ball season.
Speaker 1: As you know the points right, you might as well
Speaker 1: throw them out. Where's my sound? Throw the points breads,
Speaker 1: throw the records out.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm going to combine Elliott's formula with a little
Speaker 4: bit of my own special sauce and it might come
Speaker 4: in last. But my first consideration now when picking all
Speaker 4: these bowl games is going to be which team I
Speaker 4: think is more motivated to be there? Okay, you know,
Speaker 4: because these are all exhibition games, that sort of goes
Speaker 4: in line with the gambling theory that like learn like
Speaker 4: a ton about a smaller conference, like learn a ton
Speaker 4: about the Mountain West because you know, perhaps bookmakers aren't
Speaker 4: as and as detailed in following Mountain West football as
Speaker 4: they are SEC football or ACC and setting line so
Speaker 4: and there's probably not as much action coming in to
Speaker 4: sway those lines. So exactly like that, So I want
Speaker 4: to know which team is actually there because they want
Speaker 4: to be there, and which team wants to win the game. Okay,
Speaker 4: now you got to consider which which team was better
Speaker 4: all season and if there are any matchups and all
Speaker 4: that stuff, right that that sort of goes without saying.
Speaker 4: But I'm going to weigh motivation a little heavier this year.
Speaker 4: I'm just going to see what happens. So, okay, let's
Speaker 4: start at the top. If you go through our Bowl
Speaker 4: confidence pool, the first game that they list is actually
Speaker 4: the Grambling State North Carolina Central Eagles game in the
Speaker 4: Celebration Bowl. I'm not going to pretend to know a
Speaker 4: whole lot about this, but ESPN does include it, and
Speaker 4: they ought to assign it with a one because it's first.
Speaker 4: Most people aren't going to change it. I'm saying, go
Speaker 4: forty two, Go forty two.
Speaker 1: I'm serious.
Speaker 4: Grambling is a historic program. Yeah, they're favored by fifteen
Speaker 4: and a half points. They're probably gonna win. So what
Speaker 4: if you don't know a whole lot about it. I'm
Speaker 4: not so much gonna handicap this thing as if I
Speaker 4: want to get every game right. I'm trying to help
Speaker 4: people out there who might be in other Bowl confidence pools,
Speaker 4: even our own bullpool.
Speaker 1: I want you to win.
Speaker 4: So I'm saying, go Grambly, go forty two points, get
Speaker 4: them early, get it off, get it off the board, bold,
Speaker 4: roll the dice.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you're on board with that.
Speaker 2: I'm totally on board. I like your bold thinking, Ty,
Speaker 2: I always have all right.
Speaker 4: So then that brings us to the Guild. In New
Speaker 4: Mexico Bowl. They make a mean T shirt. Dan.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: And speaking of which, and I know you don't have
Speaker 2: this on our document, but I have it in front
Speaker 2: of me.
Speaker 1: I've got Bowl gifts.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, I've got all the Bowl gifts and we
Speaker 2: will for each game that we preview, we will also
Speaker 2: preview the gifts.
Speaker 4: Okay, So Guild in New Mexico Bowl, Albuquerque, New Mexico
Speaker 4: University Stadium. This one is on Saturday, twelve seventeen, So
Speaker 4: next Saturday at two pm on ESPN. As more so,
Speaker 4: the games are New Mexico. They're eight and four. They're
Speaker 4: a seven point favorite here over UTSA University of Texas
Speaker 4: San Antonio. UTSA went six and six. It's their first
Speaker 4: ever bowl game, which is notable. What are the gifts?
Speaker 4: What are these guys getting.
Speaker 2: At the New Mexico Bowl this year? There's a gift suite,
Speaker 2: Oakley sunglasses, an Enduro twenty five backpack, Bluetooth earbuds, a beanie,
Speaker 2: a Gilden stadium blanket, a cap, and a selfie stick.
Speaker 2: So a selfie stad not much you can regift, but sunglasses,
Speaker 2: a backpack, and Bluetooth earbuds. You're walking away from this
Speaker 2: with utilities for your life.
Speaker 1: Living in New York City.
Speaker 4: What's the over under on any given day for how
Speaker 4: many selfie sticks you see out in the wild.
Speaker 2: Oh, especially because our office is not terribly far from
Speaker 2: Times Square, I'll probably see three to four a day.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: Well, the first factor for me here, I think is
Speaker 4: that it's a home game for New Mexico, but literally
Speaker 4: a home game at their home stadium, and they could
Speaker 4: sleep in the their own beds and play in front
Speaker 4: of their own fans. And Hey, ask Wyoming what it's
Speaker 4: like to play in Albuquerque. You don't want to play
Speaker 4: in a quirky It's like the House of Pain.
Speaker 1: It's at altitude.
Speaker 4: For me, that outweighs the fact that this is the
Speaker 4: first Bowl game in the history of utsa's young football program.
Speaker 4: A home game in any capacity in bull season, I
Speaker 4: think means a little bit, just means more, Just means more.
Speaker 4: The other factor the game, the matchup factor. I think
Speaker 4: the best singular entity in this game is the New
Speaker 4: Mexico rushing attack. Yeah, they're averaging like three sixty one
Speaker 4: a game, which I double checked. I believe that's right,
Speaker 4: and that's a lot as many UTSA. They're respectable against
Speaker 4: the run, but this is a different breed. There's a
Speaker 4: different breed New Mexico. I had three backs with about
Speaker 4: the same number of carries, Tyrone, Owens, Terry and Gibson
Speaker 4: Richard mccorley combined that crew rush for about twenty eight
Speaker 4: hundred yards and thirty five touchdowns. So they're predamn good.
Speaker 4: They're predamn good. That's what the TSA is going to
Speaker 4: be up against. If UTSA wants to win, they got
Speaker 4: to be better throwing the football. I just don't think
Speaker 4: they're gonna have enough to get done here. Home game,
Speaker 4: New Mexico. I like New Mexico to win this one.
Speaker 4: I don't know about the points spread, but I got
Speaker 4: forty one points on this dan.
Speaker 1: I'm going heavy New Mexico thirty one to twenty one.
Speaker 2: So New Mexico did something this year, and it sort
Speaker 2: of might be, you know, swept under the rug. But
Speaker 2: they did something spectacular and rare this year, and they
Speaker 2: lost to Rutgers. New Mexico lost to Rutgers. They beat
Speaker 2: Air Force in Wyoming, so there's something about this New
Speaker 2: Mexico team, And you're right. Their rushing offense is great.
Speaker 2: They're a top fifteen team in my D analytics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: D Analytics TI touchdowns per play against conference teams. Still,
Speaker 2: they're top fifteen in the country in that and dead
Speaker 2: last defensively in that. So they're sort of kill or
Speaker 2: be killed. They have an awful pass defense, and yes,
Speaker 2: you're right. UTSA is one of the most improved teams
Speaker 2: Frank Wilson. His first year was really really good all
Speaker 2: things considered. They improve offensively, ways to go defensively, but
Speaker 2: they were very good in the red zone. So if
Speaker 2: they can stop New Mexico there and for some field goals,
Speaker 2: they will keep it relatively close. I thematically, I like
Speaker 2: New Mexico, and since we're straight up in the Bowl
Speaker 2: confidence pool, I'm gonna go with New Mexico. But I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna gobble those points up thirty four to thirty.
Speaker 2: New Mexico. UTSA keeps it close. They sort of dead
Speaker 2: end techs A and M a few weeks ago. I'm
Speaker 2: going with New Mexico close.
Speaker 4: By Saturday at six, Dan All, I'm saying is I
Speaker 4: could have eighty three confidence points. Okay, locked and loaded,
Speaker 4: just kind of me sitting on them, keeping them warm.
Speaker 1: M hmm. I'm going forty two on.
Speaker 4: Grambling, forty one on New Mexico, Bob Davey, I'll go Hi,
Speaker 4: all right, Las Vegas Bowl also next Saturday, This one
Speaker 4: at three point thirty on ABC.
Speaker 1: This is a good game, it is. This is a
Speaker 1: good game.
Speaker 4: We got Houston at nine and three, San Diego State
Speaker 4: at ten and three. Houston's a three and a half
Speaker 4: point favorite. You might remember this one last year was
Speaker 4: a rematch of the Holy War BYU won that one
Speaker 4: by seven. I tried to analyze this using my new
Speaker 4: formula of factoring in motivation. Right, I gotta believe that
Speaker 4: Houston's in big time let down mode here.
Speaker 2: No, I have been thinking the same thing, and Houston's
Speaker 2: season is sort of deceptive. Beating Oklahoma, you know, using
Speaker 2: turnovers and doing and taking advantage of opportunities, just completely
Speaker 2: shutting down Louisville and losing to Navy, losing to Memphis,
Speaker 2: losing to SMU. Houston finished, I believe, tied for third
Speaker 2: in the American West. So their season was not as
Speaker 2: dominant as Tom Herman's stock was through the roof, and
Speaker 2: that's fine. There are all sorts of factors here in
Speaker 2: San Diego State won the Mountain West. Defensively, they were very,
Speaker 2: very good for a good chunk of the season. They
Speaker 2: have one of the best running backs in the country
Speaker 2: and Donel Pumphrey one of the best pass defenses in
Speaker 2: the un I think they'll be a little bit more
Speaker 2: motivated to really good defenses here. I think Houston wants
Speaker 2: the season to be done with and move on to
Speaker 2: the major Apple White Era. I'm going San Diego State.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take those points because that's my thing.
Speaker 2: I'm taking those Bowl points. Twenty seven to twenty three
Speaker 2: as techs.
Speaker 4: I've got twenty eight to twenty four as techs. And
Speaker 4: you know, you mentioned all the right things about Houston.
Speaker 4: This game, to me feels like a huge consolation prize
Speaker 4: for them because they were a fringe playoff team back
Speaker 4: in August and nine and three is clearly short of
Speaker 4: what they were hoping for. You also lose your coach
Speaker 4: might have heard about that here and there some assistants already, yeah,
Speaker 4: and some assistants. That's just a big kick in the pants.
Speaker 4: If you're a Houston player. There's a chance Todd Orlando
Speaker 4: is trying to, you know, make some bones for himself
Speaker 4: elsewhere in putting forth a good effort in this game.
Speaker 4: But I just feel like their heart's not going to
Speaker 4: be in this I like Danelle Pumphrey lot They're not
Speaker 4: great at throwing the ball, so they got to get
Speaker 4: him moving and that might not be easy against a
Speaker 4: really tough Houston front.
Speaker 1: Excellent.
Speaker 4: I feel like San Diego State's got more to play
Speaker 4: for here. I am not confident in this result. So
Speaker 4: contrary to what I was saying about getting your points early, yeah,
Speaker 4: get them early, but don't be stupid. I'm going to
Speaker 4: go San Diego State here twenty eight, twenty four, But
Speaker 4: I'm only going to say three confidence points in this game.
Speaker 2: They are both playing for a gift suite, an Oakley backpack,
Speaker 2: a beanie, and a cap. So the New Mexico Ball
Speaker 2: showing out a little bit better than the Las Vegas
Speaker 2: Bowl early.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the caveat there is that you get to go
Speaker 4: to Vegas versus Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Speaker 2: You get to go to Vegas, which mixed opinion for me.
Speaker 2: But we're going to get to that in the things
Speaker 2: that are garbage that people like too much, bracket that
Speaker 2: we're doing.
Speaker 4: It's a long off season, yes it is. We will
Speaker 4: get to it all right, Raycom Media Chamellia Ball. Oh, yes,
Speaker 4: who doesn't remember their first Kamellia Bowl. Kamelia Bowl.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Watched it with my pappy and my Graham Pappy. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's at the Crampton Bowl in Montgomery, Alabama again. Next Saturday,
Speaker 4: the seventeenth of December on ESPN five thirty Eastern Toledo
Speaker 4: at nine to three, a one point favorite over app
Speaker 4: State Dan. They're also nine to three. I distinctly remember
Speaker 4: our Week one recap show when we go back over
Speaker 4: that Tennessee App State game and.
Speaker 2: Apps State should have won that game, tie, and you.
Speaker 4: Know it, Tennessee one, twenty to thirteen. They looked like garbage,
Speaker 4: and at the time we didn't know it was going
Speaker 4: to be a sign of things to come.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: But I remember thinking that the big takeaway from that
Speaker 4: game had to be how lousy Tennessee looked, how lousy
Speaker 4: and just ugh they looked in that game. And then
Speaker 4: you started talking on the recap show and it's like
Speaker 4: full throttle App State. App State, it's good they could
Speaker 4: win the national championship.
Speaker 1: Really caught me off guard. Uh huh.
Speaker 4: The takeaway now is yes, App State is pretty good.
Speaker 4: Maybe not as good as it made them out to be.
Speaker 4: But the three losses this year were to take to
Speaker 4: See Miami and Troy. For the most part, no one
Speaker 4: else came close to beating them. Akron fought him for
Speaker 4: like four quarters, but it was It was one of
Speaker 4: those catchup games. The challenging this game is going to
Speaker 4: be Toledo quarterback Logan Woodside. H He is the official
Speaker 4: quarterback of the Solid Verbal, as you've noted on Twitter.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, his stats are insane thirty eight hundred passing
Speaker 4: yards to go along with forty three touchdown passes. The
Speaker 4: point spread here is one Dan kind of a pick
Speaker 4: them who you got.
Speaker 2: I'm going with app State and I'm going with app State.
Speaker 2: I'm taking those points and I have them outright. Toledo does.
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, the official quarterback of the Solid Verbal,
Speaker 2: Logan Woodside that Toledo. The Rockets have a top thirty offense,
Speaker 2: I would somewhere around there in the country, top thirty
Speaker 2: thirty five. Their defense is a little bit average. App
Speaker 2: State number one tie the number one defense in the
Speaker 2: D analytics touchdowns allowed per play against conference teams. What
Speaker 2: does that mean? What does that stat mean? It's it's
Speaker 2: the number of touchdowns they allow per play. So I
Speaker 2: judge a defense by how many touchdowns they all out
Speaker 2: and how many plays and they don't allow touchdowns tie,
Speaker 2: and it's it's very good.
Speaker 1: So the D analytics are conclusive on this.
Speaker 2: Then the D analytics are conclusive. This is against conference teams.
Speaker 2: So for app State, this is against sen but Sun
Speaker 2: Belt teams, which is a different animal. But you saw
Speaker 2: them perform pretty well against Tennessee and not the greatest
Speaker 2: against Miami, but whatever. They've allowed three touchdown passes app
Speaker 2: State since October first six of the last eight teams
Speaker 2: they've played, they've held quarterbacks under five yards per attempt.
Speaker 2: So I really like the matchup just in general, the
Speaker 2: push and pull of Logan Woodside against this defense. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go with the defense as the most extreme good
Speaker 2: thing here. Toledo doesn't generate enough turnovers and they're playing
Speaker 2: against the tricky app State offense. I'm going with app State.
Speaker 2: I'm going with my boys from Boone.
Speaker 4: Twenty eight, twenty four, twenty eight to twenty four. I
Speaker 4: like the boys from Boone. I like that, by the way,
Speaker 4: that's good, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Thirty five twenty eight. I'm not nearly as confident in
Speaker 4: this because it is a pretty even mac, at least
Speaker 4: on paper, so I'll go ten confidence points. But to
Speaker 4: your point about app State's defense, the pass defense is
Speaker 4: pretty good according to Bills Bill Connolly's S and P
Speaker 4: plus fourteenth in the country against the past, which is
Speaker 4: a lot better than most people would ever care to know.
Speaker 4: And on the whole, I'd say, if you look at
Speaker 4: how they've played defensively throughout the course of the year,
Speaker 4: defense is just a lot more consistent. You know, it's
Speaker 4: not it's not bottoming out in spots like we saw
Speaker 4: with Toledo. So, like I said, not crazy confident, but
Speaker 4: I do like app State outright, the alma mater of
Speaker 4: Dan Rubinstein. App State ten points, ten points, thirty five
Speaker 4: twenty eight. Let's go AP State.
Speaker 2: They're playing for access to a gift suite. I mean
Speaker 2: they're both getting this give suite fossil watch, which I
Speaker 2: respect the hell out of a watch. You know, it's
Speaker 2: it's you can use it for years and years. It
Speaker 2: serves a purpose. A coin, don't know what coin. I'm
Speaker 2: assuming a commemorative one, but maybe they're just handing them
Speaker 2: all sackage away as I don't know. Hat a beanie,
Speaker 2: a duffel bag made by your friend and mine oesio. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and a big game autograph football So thanks for that, chamelliable.
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Speaker 1: All right. The AutoNation Cure.
Speaker 2: Bowl, Yeah, Robert Smith will be singing the national anthem really.
Speaker 1: Of the cure and the cure. Very good, very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Next Saturday, five point thirty CBS Sports Network. So it
Speaker 4: could be a crazy game.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: This one's in Camping World Stadium in Orlando, Florida. It
Speaker 4: is UCF at six and six, a six point favorite
Speaker 4: over the Arkansas State red Wolves at seven and five.
Speaker 4: Two big things here that jump out at me first
Speaker 4: and foremost, another home game situation. UCF plays their home
Speaker 4: games like on the other side of Orlando, which means
Speaker 4: they can sleep in their own beds, they can move
Speaker 4: more at their own pace, they can play in front
Speaker 4: of their own fans. Nice little prize here, I think
Speaker 4: for the UCF following, because there is a UCF following,
Speaker 4: they're very sure, very fervent, and I think this is
Speaker 4: a nice prize for them, especially given the fact that
Speaker 4: UCF was zero to twelve last year. I thought that's
Speaker 4: the other factor here. Talk about a turnaround. Talk about
Speaker 4: it just meaning more. How much does this game mean
Speaker 4: to them, especially at home, Dan, It just means more time,
Speaker 4: It just means more. They've also got your boy Scott Frost,
Speaker 4: they do, you see ye.
Speaker 2: So even even with Scott Frost, who obviously comes in
Speaker 2: with offensive experience putting up some big numbers at Oregon
Speaker 2: these past few years, the Knights are led by their defense.
Speaker 1: They are.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of easy to argue that they're
Speaker 2: the most improved defense in the country because they went
Speaker 2: from being atrocious in twenty fifteen to pretty good, like
Speaker 2: top thirty thirty five defense in the country in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: They're decent against the run. They're very impressive against the
Speaker 2: past and tie. Let's let's create a space right now,
Speaker 2: what do you know about Shaqem Griffin and how much
Speaker 2: is getting to the quarterback?
Speaker 1: Tie?
Speaker 2: You tell me break down Shaqem Griffin's game because he's
Speaker 2: I think top ten in the nation in Sackfury's game
Speaker 2: and good, he's good, He's very good. The Red Wolves
Speaker 2: of Arkansas State, they start out on four. They finished
Speaker 2: seven and one a completely lights out defense, so two
Speaker 2: good defense is in here. They're up there with that state,
Speaker 2: and the analytics tie. One point nine to nine percent
Speaker 2: of all plays are touchdowns, which is pretty efficient. That
Speaker 2: is pretty efficient. And they throw the ball relatively well
Speaker 2: because us UCFC has made struggles the ball struggles on
Speaker 2: offense to move the ball. I'm actually going even though
Speaker 2: it's on the road, even though it's in Orlando, I'm
Speaker 2: one Arkansas State out right, twenty three to twenty road.
Speaker 1: Wooa, whoa. Yeah.
Speaker 4: If you look at the S and P report for UCF,
Speaker 4: it's sort of beyond rational comprehension.
Speaker 1: How U see F scores at all?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, give it a good look, give it a
Speaker 4: good look, and try to come away from that little
Speaker 4: study session figuring out how you CEF is scoring their points.
Speaker 4: Just in general, there's like no tendency there. It doesn't
Speaker 4: seem like there are enough points on the stat sheet
Speaker 4: to indicate a six and sixteen, but nonetheless, Okay, we're here.
Speaker 1: I am rolling the dice on your boy, Scott frost in.
Speaker 4: Wow, my boy in the dice, and I'm gonna sweat
Speaker 4: this one out to the tune of thirty five confidence points.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm game.
Speaker 4: You know my strategy. I'm in it to win it
Speaker 4: this year. Thirty five points.
Speaker 2: I think they like right, you're just abandoning your theory
Speaker 2: of going against your gut. Though it's a new me,
Speaker 2: it's a new you. Speaking of new things, sports watch,
Speaker 2: warm up jacket and pants, portable charger, which you know what,
Speaker 2: I love that singing.
Speaker 1: That might be the best gift yet.
Speaker 2: I love that drive fit, long sleeve shirt and a backpack.
Speaker 2: I like a sports watch, a dry fit shirt, a
Speaker 2: portable charger, and a backpack. You're not coming away from
Speaker 2: the uh from the Cure Bowl empty handed. I'm with it.
Speaker 4: If you've got anything like more than two versions back
Speaker 4: of the iPhone, you need a portable charger. If you're
Speaker 4: listening to this like you've definitely thought to yourself, where's
Speaker 4: the portable charger I bought two years ago because I
Speaker 4: need it my batteries.
Speaker 2: I would I would go as far as saying, get
Speaker 2: somebody like the best portable charger, like one of those
Speaker 2: that's the size of a flask. And none of these
Speaker 2: companies sponsor our show. This is just a right get
Speaker 2: up to somebody for their wedding. They might be going
Speaker 2: on a honeymoon right after the fact, and it has
Speaker 2: like four or five six charges on her. You might
Speaker 2: remember a gravy boat. You're definitely gonna remember how great
Speaker 2: a charger is in your life.
Speaker 4: I know what I'm getting you, Yes, all right? RNL
Speaker 4: Carriers New Orleans Ball also next Saturday. Next Saturday a
Speaker 4: busy Bowl day. Yep, not high profile games, but fun games.
Speaker 4: I think Sons could be a lot of fun. This
Speaker 4: is the nightcap. It's in the New Orleans Superdome, nine
Speaker 4: pm ESPN. Southern miss At six and six is a
Speaker 4: three and a half point favorite over Louisiana Lafayette also
Speaker 4: six and six DAN two teams here who actually became
Speaker 4: Bowl eligible in their final games. They've played fifty times
Speaker 4: in their history. Southern Miss leads the series. They've won
Speaker 4: the last eight. Here, Southern Miss, I feel is a
Speaker 4: really good play and here's why. Okay, they would have
Speaker 4: had a better record if not for the fact that
Speaker 4: they lost their quarterback, Nick Mullins late in the year.
Speaker 4: He got injured against Charlotte. He was unable to play
Speaker 4: the next two games right there. That's three of your
Speaker 4: six losses. And then another loss came when he got
Speaker 4: injured earlier in the season against Utsa. We talked about
Speaker 4: UTSA before. Listen to the blurb here from the Sun Herald.
Speaker 4: It's a newspaper in Southern Mississippi talking about how tough
Speaker 4: their quarterback Nick Mullins was in that game against UTSA.
Speaker 4: All right, you're ready for this. I want to sit down.
Speaker 4: After Mullins jogged over to the sideline favoring his right hand,
Speaker 4: Jay Hopson, their coach, wandered over to check on him.
Speaker 4: Quote he had a bone sticking through his thumb. Hopson said,
Speaker 4: with a look of disbelief. I remember I saw the
Speaker 4: bone pop out, and he said, Uh, just push the
Speaker 4: bone back in and tape it up. I think I
Speaker 4: can throw the ball.
Speaker 2: Wow Mullins for president nanjeez, Yeah, talk about a buller.
Speaker 4: He's going to be in this game unless I miss something,
Speaker 4: unless he's hurt again. I'm going to go Southern Miss.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get saucy with it, Dan to it, I'm
Speaker 4: going to live dangerous. Tweet me if you like to
Speaker 4: live dangerously.
Speaker 1: Tweet if you know what time it is. Tweet me
Speaker 1: if you're with me and going thirty six points on
Speaker 1: Southern miss to win this one out.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm actually pretty confident as well, and you're right
Speaker 2: about Nick Mullins, super tough. Their offense has been pretty decent,
Speaker 2: especially through the air. Southern MISSUS defense has been kind
Speaker 2: of atrocious, and it's a weird matchup because Louisiana Lafayette.
Speaker 2: We love Mark Hudsbeth, but their offense has been atrocious
Speaker 2: and the defense, especially against the run, has been good,
Speaker 2: but that's not a great matchup against Southern Miss. I
Speaker 2: think the Eagles win comfortably. I have at thirty four
Speaker 2: to seventeen, So I'm totally great with your confidence level.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and means a lot to me.
Speaker 2: The New Orleans Bowl kind of a disappointing gift ball. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, I wish it were better. Maybe they're gonna
Speaker 2: eat really, really well and that'll make up for a
Speaker 2: gift suite and fossil watch. That's all I'm seeing here.
Speaker 2: Come on RNL carriers.
Speaker 1: Dan New Orleans versus Las Vegas. Oh, New Orleans.
Speaker 2: It's not New Orleans, by the way, time it's I
Speaker 2: know it's New Orleans.
Speaker 1: New Orleans. New Orleans is another world ahead. I would
Speaker 1: agree with that.
Speaker 2: There's culture, not that there's not culture in Vegas, but
Speaker 2: there's fun culture, more authentic culture. And the food is
Speaker 2: you don't have to spend a ton of money in
Speaker 2: New Orleans to have great food. I think it's way
Speaker 2: way better.
Speaker 1: All right. Moving on to Monday.
Speaker 4: Now, yes, Monday, So Saturday you get your fill of
Speaker 4: I don't know how many Bowl games.
Speaker 1: That was five games. Maybe Sunday's off.
Speaker 4: It's for the NFL, So do something else and then
Speaker 4: go back Monday afternoon two thirty on ESPN. Let's go
Speaker 4: to Miami. Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Florida, Marlins Park. Tulsa
Speaker 4: is sitting there an eleven point favorite at nine to
Speaker 4: three for Central Michigan. Central Michigan is at six and six. Damn,
Speaker 4: I want you to do something for me in front
Speaker 4: of a computer.
Speaker 1: Yes, I am so.
Speaker 4: I decided to look up central Michigan on a map.
Speaker 4: They are not kidding when they say central Michigan. Pull
Speaker 4: up Google Maps, Mapstock, Google dot Com.
Speaker 1: Let me know when you talk that the yep open.
Speaker 1: I want you to find Michigan.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know where it is.
Speaker 4: Now move your cursor to what you would consider to
Speaker 4: be the middle of the state, the Mitten part of
Speaker 4: the state, not the Upper Peninsula, but the real, the
Speaker 4: real Mitton part of the state. Put your cursor where
Speaker 4: you think where you think the the middle point of
Speaker 4: the Mitton is.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm in Isabella Township, Michigan.
Speaker 4: Now zoom in all right, mm hmm, that's Mount Pleasant.
Speaker 4: You see Mount Pleasant on there?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's right by Isabella Township.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Mount Pleasant, Michigan, population twenty six thousand, home
Speaker 4: of the Chippewas.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I was pretty close. I'm saying it's a
Speaker 1: very literal central Michigan.
Speaker 4: Oh good, I thought you had a bone to pick. No,
Speaker 4: no bones, I'm just saying they were. They were very
Speaker 4: astute and thoughtful in putting Central Michigan in Mount Pleasant, Michigan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're hanging out at Deerfield Nature Park or
Speaker 2: Union Charter Township like Isabella obviously very popular with people
Speaker 2: in Wideman, Nottawa, which, by the way, Rose Bush, all
Speaker 2: sorts of great places around here.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Uh okay, onto football. Yes, you may remember that
Speaker 4: Central Michigan quote unquote beat Oklahoma State and that crazy
Speaker 4: play play that probably shouldn't have happened. That's really the
Speaker 4: nicest thing I can say about them all year, other
Speaker 4: than to say, other than to say, I'm sure Mount
Speaker 4: Pleasant's a very nice town, Tulsa is demonstrably better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Tulsa being they're extremely balanced in that
Speaker 2: they have a very good offense, pretty decent defense. They
Speaker 2: have two thousand yard rushers and James Flanders and Dangelo Brewer.
Speaker 2: You had a bunch you wanted to say about those,
Speaker 2: the tandem, right, Yeah, of course, James Flanders and Angelo Brewer.
Speaker 2: Dane Evans is decent. Philip Montgomery has been a growing
Speaker 2: name at head coach Miil, perhaps getting a better job
Speaker 2: after his time at Baylor and now succeeding with Tulsa,
Speaker 2: and I you're right, I don't.
Speaker 1: What does what do the Chippawas do? Well?
Speaker 2: What are they efficient at doing? I don't see it.
Speaker 2: I'm going with the Golden Hurricane, real big here thirty
Speaker 2: eight thirteen. I think they cover it comfortably.
Speaker 4: Thirty eight thirteen. Yeah, I'm gonna go nuts here. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say Tulsa wins, and I'm gonna go forty points.
Speaker 1: Front loading. We're front loading again, that's what we're doing.
Speaker 1: I want to have. I want to have hundreds of
Speaker 1: points by the end of the weekend.
Speaker 2: You can front load in your under armour backpack. You
Speaker 2: can load it up with a hat and sunglasses. I
Speaker 2: slide sandals portable power bank, which I assume that's something
Speaker 2: similar to the charger. Yeah, okay, a beach paddle set
Speaker 2: and a football. And here's something even though we can't
Speaker 2: really find anything terribly good about Central Michigan and we
Speaker 2: like Tulsa, it's going to be in the twenties or
Speaker 2: thirties next week in Tulsa. It's going to be in
Speaker 2: the teens in Mount Pleasant. So always happy that, you know,
Speaker 2: guys who've worked hard all year gets a reward. They
Speaker 2: go to Miami Beach. You don't end up in like, listen,
Speaker 2: we love you Montgomery, I think, but it's it's good
Speaker 2: tend up in Miami Beach.
Speaker 4: All right, two games left here, let's move quickly. Yes,
Speaker 4: the Boca Ratone ball in Boca Raton, Florida. They play
Speaker 4: it at Fau's Stadium Tuesday. This one's twelve twenty so
Speaker 4: December twentieth at seven pm and ESPN Western Kentucky ten
Speaker 4: and three.
Speaker 1: They are four and a half.
Speaker 4: Point favorites against Memphis, who is now eight and four. Dan,
Speaker 4: I am super torn here.
Speaker 1: Why is that.
Speaker 4: Western Kentucky is legitimately good? Yes, they're legitimately good. They
Speaker 4: lost to Alabama, Vandy and Louisiana Tech, but they also
Speaker 4: just lost their coach they did, so who knows where
Speaker 4: their heads are at. They're also going to be led
Speaker 4: by Nick Holeton. Remember Colt Nicolet Nickole Nickolet's going to
Speaker 4: be in charge.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Memphis I think is really good and they should not
Speaker 4: be taken lightly. Mike Norville took over, you'll remember for
Speaker 4: Justin Fuente just after they lost Paxton Lynch to the NFL,
Speaker 4: and they're still scoring almost forty a game. They beat
Speaker 4: Houston to close out the year. This is a good team,
Speaker 4: and so I'm kind of torn between Western Kentucky being
Speaker 4: I think really good versus them maybe not being fully
Speaker 4: in it, primarily because they lost Jeff Brohm.
Speaker 2: So Western Kentucky leads the nation and offensive analytics, so
Speaker 2: there's that touchdowns per play and especially impressed of considering
Speaker 2: that a first year quarterback Mike White, total stud Do
Speaker 2: you know who Mike White's backup is at Western Kentucky?
Speaker 1: Who's that?
Speaker 2: He is one of those quarterbacks who is like I
Speaker 2: think he may have been enrolled at like four different
Speaker 2: schools including Penn State. Tyler Ferguson. Yep, remember Tyler Ferguson
Speaker 2: see that?
Speaker 1: Yep, you're right.
Speaker 2: And here's the other thing about Western Kentucky that's pretty rare.
Speaker 2: I think Washington may be the only other team to
Speaker 2: do this Western Kentucky. The Hilltoppers are number one on
Speaker 2: offense and defense and yards per play and yards per
Speaker 2: play allowed. That's very difficult when you have such a
Speaker 2: prolific offense and the defense needs to rotate in a
Speaker 2: bunch of guys number one on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: In Conference USA, Memphis, as you mentioned, a decent enough offense.
Speaker 2: I'm sort of underwhelmed by their defense. I have a
Speaker 2: thirty seven to twenty Hilltoppers even with nicklet Okay.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of points nice, I think you
Speaker 4: shoot out.
Speaker 1: I am going to stick to my template.
Speaker 4: I think the game just means more to Mike Norvial
Speaker 4: just means more in Memphis in his first year at coach.
Speaker 4: I love me the Hilltoppers, but it hurts to lose
Speaker 4: a coach.
Speaker 1: Yes it does.
Speaker 4: Memphis wins outright, forty five, forty two. I am not
Speaker 4: confident in this, so I shall wager two. You shall
Speaker 4: wait two points in this, Dan, but I'm gonna go back.
Speaker 1: I'm not right.
Speaker 2: I have this as this is God dang it. Marmott,
Speaker 2: Boca ratone bowl, gift suite and quotquote other items, other items.
Speaker 2: So what aga bowl of applejacks? I don't understand what that's.
Speaker 2: That's rough that you got to publicize better than that, Marmott.
Speaker 4: All right, and then finally, Dan, let's go to the
Speaker 4: San Diego County Credit Union Points Setia Bowl. They play
Speaker 4: this one in San Diego at Qualcomm Stadium. It's on Wednesday,
Speaker 4: December twenty first, at nine o'clock PM, it's on ESPN.
Speaker 4: It's BYU at eight and four. They're an eight point
Speaker 4: five point favorite over eight and five Wyoming. Dan, I'd
Speaker 4: like to harken back to nineteen eighty one, the year
Speaker 4: of my birth. Mind you, oh wow, a famous Lavelle
Speaker 4: Edwards quote after losing to Wyoming at a snowstorm. He said, quote,
Speaker 4: I'd rather lose and live in Provo than win and
Speaker 4: live in Laramie.
Speaker 1: Which I do believe. I do believe counts as them
Speaker 1: be and fighting words. Dan, Oh, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 2: BYU's offense not particularly impressive, but they were in pretty
Speaker 2: much every game. They finished the season strong against the
Speaker 2: weaker part of their schedule, but they were tough. They
Speaker 2: played West Virginia tough. They beat Mississippi State, they beat
Speaker 2: Michigan State. So this is a BYU team to be
Speaker 2: reckoned with. Particularly on defense, Wyoming is sort of the opposite.
Speaker 2: Their offense is really good. I really like the job
Speaker 2: Brian Hill did in the backfield for the Cowboys, But
Speaker 2: defensively Wyoming has they have some struggle in them. So
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to go with BYU here. I
Speaker 2: think I can just count on BYU a little bit
Speaker 2: more Wyoming was two up and down, especially in the
Speaker 2: back half of the season, the big win over Boise
Speaker 2: State and then a couple of bad losses after that.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to go with in the point spread here,
Speaker 2: it's like eight and a half, eight and a half, Yeah,
Speaker 2: eight and a half for BYU. I'm going to take
Speaker 2: the points. I think it's going to be a bit
Speaker 2: of a shootout because I'm not a fan of either
Speaker 2: one of these teams in terms of keeping the other
Speaker 2: down for a terrible long time.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Say thirty five thirty three BYU. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: take those points. My boy, Craig Bowl, who's had his
Speaker 2: shape like the inside of the Oregonelle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a nice year for both these teams.
Speaker 4: It was really easy to lose track of BYU because
Speaker 4: they started one to three, lost to Utah and UCLA
Speaker 4: and West Virginia. But you got to remember this was
Speaker 4: an entirely new coaching staff, a lot of first timers,
Speaker 4: including the head guy, Kalanie Sataki. I really think he
Speaker 4: did a great job. He finished the year after that
Speaker 4: rough stretch, finished out seven to one. The one loss
Speaker 4: was against Boise and it was one pointer and truthfully
Speaker 4: a game they had no business being in because they
Speaker 4: turned it over like five times, got wildly outgained, but
Speaker 4: they fought, and that's what I like about him. Craig
Speaker 4: Boll you mentioned him had a shot at a ten
Speaker 4: win season, but dropped the last two to New Mexico
Speaker 4: and San Diego State.
Speaker 1: I think BYU should be able to run all over Wyoming.
Speaker 4: I think they should be able to I'm pretty competition
Speaker 4: in it. I also think it will be an overwhelmingly
Speaker 4: pro BYU crowd, just because it's closer and because BYU's
Speaker 4: got a loyal fan base.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: I'm reasonably confident, not overly, but reasonably. I think BYU wins.
Speaker 4: I'm going thirty two confidence points on BYU. Here Dan Wow, Okay,
Speaker 4: and that's.
Speaker 1: All I got.
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Speaker 2: that's all I got, Dan, That's all I have. I think,
Speaker 2: Uh had a great time seeing you, you too for
Speaker 2: really the first time socially. I mean we sort of
Speaker 2: hung at your wedding but never really had a chance
Speaker 2: to just really break bright and get to know each other.
Speaker 1: So it's great.
Speaker 2: And you got to do the same with the Salt fiance,
Speaker 2: so she's terrific. Yeah, a lot of fun. Uh, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think what else. I mean, I have a
Speaker 2: literal and figurative pismen hangover still okay, and I'm about
Speaker 2: to go get some wabos. Friand cheris right now.
Speaker 4: Weevos rancheros, weevos. All right, Dan, Well, this is fun.
Speaker 4: We're going to be We're going to be back on
Speaker 4: Wednesday again. We'll publish a new show, we'll talk about
Speaker 4: the next wave of Bowl games and again get in
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Speaker 2: Gonna be January fourteenth in.
Speaker 4: The New York City area. Yeah, we'll post information as
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Speaker 4: and we'll do a little post mortem on the twenty
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Speaker 4: Do it up, all right, for that guy there, Dan Rubinstein,
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