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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 3: Wednesday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.

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Speaker 3: We've got a stack show. First off, just to give

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Speaker 3: you a sense of our guest lineup, Julie Kelly with

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Speaker 3: us at the top of the next hour. Then after

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Speaker 3: that Congress and Jim Jordan, and then we'll have doctor

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Speaker 3: Marty McCarry in the third hour talking.

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Speaker 2: About the.

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Speaker 3: Seemingly imminent return of mask mandates, at least in schools.

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Speaker 2: What's going to happen here? It's insane.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back now and look at

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Speaker 3: photos of people like Fauci double masked, I mean you

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Speaker 3: understand just how crazy this is. Notice they're not even

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Speaker 3: talking about that now. It changes with the needs of

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Speaker 3: the moment. They're not even saying, well, you have to

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Speaker 3: double mask, right, that was a moment in time that

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget.

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Speaker 2: The sheer idiocy of the whole thing. We'll certainly be

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Speaker 2: diving in to that.

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Speaker 3: Also, Biden gets slammed for lack of respect when he

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Speaker 3: walked out of a Medal of honor ceremony. Early Vietnam

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Speaker 3: War hero was left to listen to the closing benediction

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Speaker 3: by himself without the commander in chief. Some people saying

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Speaker 3: Biden being disrespectful, some others saying, well, maybe Biden also

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Speaker 3: just doesn't know where he is at any given moment.

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Speaker 3: So which one is it. We can discuss that and

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Speaker 3: how it affects the upcoming presidential election. But we are

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Speaker 3: going to start today with the news that actually broke

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Speaker 3: right after we finished the show yesterday. I haven't had

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Speaker 3: a chance to talk to you about it, but Proud

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Speaker 3: Boys leader Enrique Terario has been sentenced to twenty two

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Speaker 3: years in federal prison for seditious conspiracy.

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Speaker 2: This is the.

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Speaker 3: Longest sentence that anyone associated with January sixth has received

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Speaker 3: so far. It is rare, and we can talk more

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Speaker 3: about this. It is rare for there to be a

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Speaker 3: seditious conspiracy charge period. It is generally reserved for in

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Speaker 3: the past. In the recent past, al Qaeda cells, gie

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Speaker 3: hottest entities that one or two or tried to or

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Speaker 3: plotting to blow up buildings, take down airplanes. That's usually

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Speaker 3: where you see a seditious conspiracy charge emerge in the

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Speaker 3: federal court system, and here twenty two years it's stunning

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Speaker 3: when you see what the average sentences are for things

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Speaker 3: like murder and rape and hainous crimes in this country,

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Speaker 3: far less than twenty two years. And Clay, I just

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Speaker 3: there's a lot here, and I want to dive into

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Speaker 3: the legality of this with you in just a moment.

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Speaker 2: But I want to remind everybody. We're told that Terrio

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Speaker 2: who was not even.

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Speaker 3: At the capitol on January sixth in Maryland, I believe,

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Speaker 3: but he wasn't on site. He didn't attack anyone, he

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Speaker 3: been given twenty two year sentence. I just will remind everybody.

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Speaker 3: This is from The New York Times, Clay, May thirty first,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty. Despite an eleven pm curfew imposed by Mayor

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Speaker 3: the White House, fueled by anger over the police killing

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Speaker 3: of George Floyd, spiraled out of control on Sunday night.

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Speaker 3: Demonstrators were hit in the head with canisters of tear gas.

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Speaker 3: Some protesters broke into offices. Others started fires, one of

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Speaker 3: which may have spread, Actually it did spread by the

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Speaker 3: way to the basement of Saint John's. The Episcopal church

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Speaker 3: that has been attended by at least once by every

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Speaker 3: chief executive going back to James Madison. The protesters claim

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Speaker 3: a slice of Lafayette Square, the dividing line with the police.

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Speaker 3: On Saturday night they got closer to the White House,

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Speaker 3: they wrote graffiti with America, with KKK written in America.

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Speaker 3: There was tear gas, there were rocks, there were bottles thrown,

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Speaker 2: Clay what was that?

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Speaker 3: Nobody got Nobody got twenty years in federal prison. Nobody

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Speaker 2: Was Trump as president. They were praised.

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Speaker 4: And remember this, I always think this is an interesting analogy.

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Speaker 4: When they were threatening to storm the White House, and

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Speaker 4: and they were engaging in clearly violent behavior, do you

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Speaker 4: the president's health that they sent him down to a

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Speaker 4: the media did. They ridiculed Trump for being a coward.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember that? Do you remember that whole storyline?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Compare that to how they treated everyone who was threatened

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Speaker 4: in any way in the media's mind by any of

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Speaker 4: the Jan six protesters. Oh, those Jan six protesters were

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Speaker 4: violent terrorists intent to kill all these different congressmen and

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Speaker 4: women senators. Everyone who fled was a hero. Everyone who

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Speaker 4: the media covered the stories. The White House is threatened

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Speaker 4: by left wing protesters and the Secret Service. It's not

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Speaker 4: like this is a Trump decision says sir, we need

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Speaker 4: you to move down to a more secure area. Trump's

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Speaker 4: a coward. Look at him running. Everybody flees. The January

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Speaker 4: They are treated as if they were in mortal peril,

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Speaker 4: the way, I've been fired up about this for a

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Speaker 4: long time. But when you compare it's not even just

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Speaker 4: the protesters, although that's a good analogy. Buck When you

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Speaker 4: compare what's going on in Washington, d C. With actual violent,

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Speaker 4: violent criminals who were having felonies reduced to misdemeanors, with

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Speaker 4: the fact that they are trying to put Grandma's in

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 4: It is such an unfair prosecution. And we're going to

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Speaker 4: talk with Julie Kelly here in what forty five minutes

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Speaker 4: about this. I think the Republican Party has totally failed

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Speaker 4: in their defense of basic justice as it pertains to

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Speaker 4: what's happened to these guys. Compared to the way that

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Speaker 4: general violent felons are being treated in DC, and certainly

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Speaker 4: compared to the way all of the BLM protesters are

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Speaker 4: being compared in Buck the one I looked at, and

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Speaker 4: I think this is one that Republicans should be slamming

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Speaker 4: and talking about all the time.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the.

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Speaker 4: Lawyers who threw the Molotov cocktail in New York City?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Remember what punishment they ended up getting. It was

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Speaker 2: very minor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna pull up the exact because my jaw

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Speaker 4: dropped when it came out. But when you compare it

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Speaker 4: An intentional Molotov cocktail, throwing it and lighting a police

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Speaker 4: an intentionally violent act. They got a pinprick of the

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Speaker 3: On January sixth, the riot, they call it a protest,

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Speaker 3: but it was a riot that broke out in Lafayette

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Speaker 2: They lit buildings on fire. Oh yeah, they.

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Speaker 3: Assaulted law enforcement officers all over the place. They were

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Speaker 3: throwing things. A copter's video of this. And yet I

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Speaker 3: read the entire indictment against Enriquetario, and I sit there

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Speaker 3: and I say, so, this is basically this guy says, Look,

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Speaker 3: kinds of crazy stuff. Fine, but he didn't actually attack anybody.

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Speaker 3: And to say that he should get twenty two years

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Speaker 3: tried to and did later on. I mean, it depends

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Speaker 3: utterly excessive. And I was reading all this plan, I

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Speaker 3: Secret Service. It said, you know what, we're gonna just

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Speaker 3: gonna write this way. Yeah, they opened, they opened, they

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Speaker 3: There would have been people who broke stuff, there would

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Speaker 3: have been people who went crazy. That's what happened at

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Speaker 3: the Capitol. We've seen the video of it, so you

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Speaker 3: see why is one side treated like a terrorist insurrection?

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Speaker 3: Of course that's what they call it, and the other

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Speaker 3: it's it's a vibrant First Amendment exercise.

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Speaker 2: Burning down a.

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Speaker 3: crazy things. Yeah, that's First Amendment exercise. Great point here,

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Speaker 3: by the way, the sentences. I thought these were right,

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Speaker 3: A judge has sentenced a lawyer to one year and

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Speaker 3: one day in prison for throwing a Molotov cocktail into

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Speaker 3: you intentionally create a violent incendiary device that is often

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Speaker 3: It's actually a weapon of war, as we know, created

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Speaker 2: Boom.

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Speaker 4: You throw it intentionally in a cop car, but that

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Speaker 4: civilians in close proximity. You are a lawyer, which means

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Speaker 4: you're help to it even higher standard under the law. Right,

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Speaker 4: It's not as if you're even just a regular person

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Speaker 4: one year one year in New York City. Probably given

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Speaker 4: would bet behind bars is what's going to end up

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Speaker 2: How would you justify that?

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Speaker 4: If you are a reasonable person and you are comparing

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Speaker 4: what the Proud Boys did with another protest that occurred

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Speaker 4: that was far more violent and that was intentionally violent

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Speaker 4: in nature. I would just love for somebody out there

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Speaker 4: to explain the disparate sentences there. If anything, Buck wouldn't

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Speaker 4: you think, just being rational human, that you would sentence

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Speaker 4: the molotov cocktail throwers far more severely, and you would

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Speaker 4: anybody associated with January sixth at all.

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Speaker 3: Well, of course, I mean any of the violent actions

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Speaker 3: what is on video. There's a lot of video of

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Speaker 3: all of the BLM riots. And this also goes into

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Speaker 3: a comp where they're attacking cops and they're doing violent things.

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Speaker 3: And Kamala Harris was helping to raise fail money for them,

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Speaker 3: current Vice president. That's right at the time, she was saying,

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Speaker 3: let's get money these people, Let's get them out as

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Speaker 3: taken with that, with that at all, I believe, And

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Speaker 3: I'm looking for the exact numbers on this, but Andy

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Speaker 3: know who probably does more to show the radical left,

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Speaker 3: I mean the anti foamilitant radical left than any other

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Speaker 2: I think that he had up that.

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Speaker 3: The longest yes, here we go, the longest sentence for

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Speaker 3: was in Portland. The guy got ten years in federal prison.

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Speaker 2: For you see for using explosives.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that's where I was going to go next.

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Speaker 6: Right, So to your point, they can get away with

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Speaker 6: He's one of four to six defendants who have committed suicide.

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Speaker 5: This is a.

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Speaker 6: Human wreckage, not just the long prison sentences, not just

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Speaker 6: the charges. This is the human wreckage that this Department

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Speaker 6: of Justice is creating while the GOP sits on his hands.

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Speaker 6: Basically canplicit in what this Department of Justice is doing.

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Speaker 3: Check out Julie Kelly's declassified on substock where she does

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Speaker 3: a lot of her reporting and shares what she's covering

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Speaker 3: and and the research she's doing there. Julie, to your

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Speaker 3: point about Republicans, I mean one what these these defendants,

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Speaker 3: these j six defendants, I mean, do they feel abandoned

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Speaker 3: by their party? And and actually even more specifically, I'm

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Speaker 3: wondering who paid the legal bills? Were their legal bills

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Speaker 3: paid for these six that were charged in seditious conspiracy?

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Speaker 3: Was any of the money coming from some of the

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Speaker 3: funding that the Trump that the Trump orbit has raised.

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Speaker 3: What can you tell us about funding for the legal defense?

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Speaker 6: Not to my knowledge, and I believe that at least

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Speaker 6: half of these defense attorneys have been court appointed so

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Speaker 6: that they are paid for by the government.

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Speaker 3: I mean, do these defendants feel abandoned by their side

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Speaker 3: at least in terms of getting a fair you know,

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Speaker 3: getting a robust defense and a fair trial.

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Speaker 6: They feel abandoned and they have been abandoned. You know.

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Speaker 6: When I was in the courtroom last week, it was

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Speaker 6: basically MTX family, members of the Department of Justice, and

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Speaker 6: some reporters. Can you imagine how filled the courtroom would

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Speaker 6: be with Democratic lawmakers and political leaders had their own

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Speaker 6: supporters been subjected to what these proud boys or anyone

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Speaker 6: has been. I don't think a single Republican lawmaker, and

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Speaker 6: I mean you can walk to the courthouse from the

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Speaker 6: Capitol Building. It's in it's literally too, but I mean

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Speaker 6: the courthouse is in the shadow of the Capitol Building.

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Speaker 6: You can walk there. I don't think a single Republican

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Speaker 6: lawmaker has attended a single court hearing, day of trial

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Speaker 6: sentencing for any of these individuals. Now, I know if

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Speaker 6: you have gone to the jail, Marjorie Taylor Green, Louis Gohmert,

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Speaker 6: that's commendable. Can you imagine if that courtroom would have

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Speaker 6: been filled with people like Kevin McCarthy, James Jordan, anyone

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Speaker 6: would have been there to listen to what Judge Tim

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Speaker 6: Kelly was doing to these men. In this government that

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Speaker 6: they pay for oversight to these bodies, they helped fund

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Speaker 6: the DC District Court, Federal Court House, they fund the

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Speaker 6: But they act like they don't. They act like they

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Speaker 6: have no responsibilities. And now they have culpabilities in what

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Speaker 6: these federally funded agencies that they have Congressional oversight for.

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Speaker 6: They now are part of a bigger problem here. So

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Speaker 6: I find that particularly shameful.

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Speaker 3: Julie, last question, obviously, the lingering impact and the shadow

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Speaker 3: of the Trump prosecution which is set I believe, correct

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Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong for March fourth, right now, have

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Speaker 3: you heard anything else about that or any of your

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Speaker 3: sources inside DC talked about whether or not they believe

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Speaker 3: that that trial will be able to actually start on

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Speaker 3: March fourth.

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Speaker 6: That's what it's set for now. My sources in DC,

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Speaker 6: which have better, better sources than I do, with more

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Speaker 6: powerful people, do not believe that Jack Smith will bring

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Speaker 6: additional charges against Donald Trump for January sixth. I still

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Speaker 6: don't believe it. I don't think Jack Smith is going

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Speaker 6: to be settled with four tone indictment including one key

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Speaker 6: obstruction of an official proceeding that is now sitting possibly

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Speaker 6: could be taken by the Supreme Court and they could

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Speaker 6: make a decision next month. So, Peter, pretty sketchy indictment

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Speaker 6: and major charge that could be really a leno by

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Speaker 6: that point.

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Speaker 3: Julie Kelly, everybody check out her substack declassified with Julie Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Julie, thank you for being with.

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Speaker 6: Us, Thanks guys, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: from the great state of Ohio, and Congressman let's just

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Speaker 4: dive right into it. Appreciate you joining us, you guys,

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Speaker 4: and I give tremendous credit to you and your staff

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Speaker 4: and also the House Oversight Committee on Weaponization all of

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Speaker 4: this evidence that is continuing to come out about Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden and his potential criminal involvement. So I want to

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Speaker 4: start here. You probably are as fired up as I

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Speaker 4: media out there New York Times, Washington Post, CBS, NBC, ABC,

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Speaker 4: certainly MSNBC and CNN. They keep trying to say that

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Speaker 4: there is no evidence of Joe Biden's connection to Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 4: It's a total lie. You cannot think it's significant enough

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Speaker 4: to be criminal. But I want to start with that.

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Speaker 4: When you see them say there's no eva and that

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Speaker 4: Joe was connected to Hunter Biden's crimes, you respond how

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Speaker 4: to people out there, dinners.

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Speaker 5: Phone calls and meetings, dinners with his business partners and clients,

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Speaker 5: people he was doing business with, like the wife of

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Speaker 5: the former mayor of Moscow, the wealthiest lady in all

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Speaker 5: of Russia. Then there's all the meetings that there's all

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Speaker 5: the phone calls. There's the phone call that takes place

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Speaker 5: on December fourth between Hunter Biden or excuse me, Hunter Biden,

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Speaker 5: the two guys who run Bearisma Zolachevsky. They called d

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Speaker 5: C Devin Archer, and his deposition wouldn't tell us who

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Speaker 5: in DC. We can also remise who that probably was.

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Speaker 5: They called DC in. Five days later, Joe Biden gets

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Speaker 5: on a plane flight to GiB and starts attacking the

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Speaker 5: prosecutor over there and ultimately leads to him getting fired

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Speaker 5: because that's the guy who was putting pressure on Bearismith.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, and not to mention the twenty companies, not

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Speaker 5: to mention the twenty million dollars, all the emails, eyewitnesses,

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Speaker 5: the laptop on and on ago. So yeah, there's definitely links.

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Speaker 5: There's definitely involvement. Again, you can I guess argue whether

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Speaker 5: it was criminal or not, but it's starting to evidence

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Speaker 5: seems to me to be stacking up in such a

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Speaker 5: way that I think it is very very likely we

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Speaker 5: open an impeachment inquiry, go to an impeachment inquiry phase

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Speaker 5: of this investigation real soon.

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Speaker 3: So Congressman, it sounds like you think you may have

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Speaker 3: the votes down the line for an impeachment inquiry, and

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Speaker 3: obviously you can continue to use oversight in an important

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Speaker 3: way to get the American people the truth. I'm wondering,

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Speaker 3: you know, what do you think when we get asked

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Speaker 3: this question, what can be done about the weaponization of government?

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Speaker 3: What we're seeing, for example, with disparate sentences for individuals

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Speaker 3: tied to January sixth in some way? You know, is

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Speaker 3: there any federal legislation that you think could be obviously

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Speaker 3: with a Republican majority and Republican president, but is there

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Speaker 3: something that you would like to see done that would

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Speaker 3: help with the weaponization of government and the use of

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Speaker 3: the bureaucracy as a weapon of politics, which we're clearly

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Speaker 5: Right, So, Senator Paul and I introduced legislation Senator Palmer

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Speaker 5: Senate side, we've introduced on the House side that says,

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Speaker 5: if you're involved in pressuring, coercing, persuading big tech companies

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Speaker 5: to censor Americans, you're in the federal government, you can

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Speaker 5: They're real you can lose your job, you can lose

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Speaker 5: your security clearance, you can lose your pension, there can

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Speaker 5: be civil penaltivial action brought against you. So that's a

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Speaker 5: legislative legislation we've introduced. You're right, it won't get passed

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Speaker 5: in the current makeup of Congress, and Joe Biden would

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Speaker 5: and sign it. He's been involved in this censorship. The

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Speaker 5: White House is, you know, working with these with these

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Speaker 5: tech companies to sensor Americans. But that that's the kind

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Speaker 5: of legislation that I think does need to pass to

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Speaker 5: protect the First Amendment. And then second, I would point

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Speaker 5: out one of the good things that has happened by

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Speaker 5: us knowing you know, how these agencies have been turned

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Speaker 5: on the American people. You may have seen, I think

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Speaker 5: it was about six weeks ago, the IRS announced that

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Speaker 5: and of course Dandy Werfol the IRS Commissioner, said, well,

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Speaker 5: of our agents. Beloney, they did this because we caught them.

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Speaker 5: We caught them knocking on that Tyabe's door. At the

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Speaker 5: very moment Matt Tabe was testifying in front of our

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Speaker 5: Committee about how Twitter had been weaponized to go after

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Speaker 5: American's first amend the three speech rights by the Biden administration.

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Speaker 5: So we are making some progress just by I think,

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Speaker 5: showing how bad it is. We're seeing some of these

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Speaker 5: they were doing.

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Speaker 4: Congressman Jim Jordan with us now, Jim, we appreciate the

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Speaker 4: time and the work. Like we said, off the top,

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Speaker 4: you mentioned impeachment of Joe Biden. There have been a

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Speaker 4: lot of talk of impeachment of majorcas of Merrick Garland.

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Speaker 4: I think it's smart to go right to the top

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Speaker 4: and focus on Biden himself. If impeachment proceedings are to begin,

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Speaker 4: what would that process look like? What would the time

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Speaker 4: frame look like? From your perspective, been through impeachment several times,

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Speaker 4: certainly most noticeable notably with Trump recently, what's that process

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Speaker 4: like as it would pertain to Joe Biden For listeners

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Speaker 4: out there who probably are curious on the timing.

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Speaker 5: No, it's a great question, and look, I think we

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Speaker 5: should always be driven by the facts, the evidence, and

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Speaker 5: our constitutional duty. If the facts and the evidence weren't

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Speaker 5: moving to what's called an impeachment inquiry phase of oversight,

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Speaker 5: which is part of our constitutional duty. Then I think

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Speaker 5: we're going to go there. The Speaker has been clear

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Speaker 5: about that. I think the evidence is pointing in that direction.

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Speaker 5: If that happens, I think you'll continue to see the

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Speaker 5: Oversight Committee, the Judiciary Committee in the way the Means

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Speaker 5: Committee particularly focus in on what happened with David Weiss

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Speaker 5: in this investigation and all the other things we're uncovering

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Speaker 5: just about the Biden business operation, So I think it'll

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Speaker 5: sort of continue. Is the benefit of moving to an

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Speaker 5: impeachment inquiry phase is courts have recognized when you're in

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Speaker 5: that phase, and there's been a formal vote by the

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Speaker 5: House of Representatives majority voting to move into that part

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Speaker 5: of an investigation, Courts have been much more willing when

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Speaker 5: there's a dispute over people to come in and be

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Speaker 5: deposed or documents you are seeking as the House of Representatives,

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Speaker 5: courts have been more willing to say, yeah, give that

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Speaker 5: to the House. This is part of their constitutional responsibility

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Speaker 5: impeachment proceedings. Impeachment inquiries are of specific function of the

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Speaker 5: House of Representatives, so that helps us get the information

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Speaker 5: we would need to get to get the facts there

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Speaker 5: for the American people. I think that's likely to happen

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Speaker 5: here this fall, where we move to that phase, whether

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Speaker 5: we go to full articles of impeachment, I think again

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Speaker 5: is driven by the facts, driven by the evidence that

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Speaker 5: we uncover as we go to that phase of the investigation.

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Speaker 2: Jim, I think this is important for our audience to know.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of people out there who are very frustrated,

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Speaker 3: as I'm sure you can imagine, they hear and see

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Speaker 3: all the evidence of Biden corruption, yet they see the

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Speaker 3: mainstream media say there's no evidence of corruption, a sort

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Speaker 3: of criminality, and they know that that is in fact

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Speaker 3: a lie. Whether you believe it is criminal or not

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Speaker 3: is certainly disputable, But there's tons of evidence out there

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Speaker 3: that this occur. But I want to share a positive here.

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Speaker 4: Do you believe that Hunter Biden would have skated on

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Speaker 4: all of these charges if Democrats had retained the House?

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Speaker 4: In other words, how important to what we have been

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Speaker 4: able to uncover, what you guys have been able to

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Speaker 4: uncover is simply having the House majority. Would any of

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Speaker 4: this have come out if Democrats had retained the House?

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Speaker 5: None of it? I don't think any things we've learned

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Speaker 5: about censorship, anything we've learned of the irs, anything we've

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Speaker 5: learned that DOJDHS. So I mean, I don't think any

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Speaker 5: of it comes out. More importantly, I think Hunter Biden

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Speaker 5: gets to remember what the New York Times reported a

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Speaker 5: few weeks ago, the sweetheart deal that the judge declined

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Speaker 5: to accept. It was even sweeter. They weren't even going

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Speaker 5: to group have Hunter Biden. He wasn't gonna have to

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Speaker 5: plead guilty to anything.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 5: But for Gary Shapley and mister Zigler coming forward as whistleblowers.

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Speaker 5: I don't think any of that happens either. So, and

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Speaker 5: also in that story, remember what they were gonna do.

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Speaker 5: The defense counsel, the Hunter Biden's defense council said, we'll

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Speaker 5: put the president of the United States, will put Hunter

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Speaker 5: Biden's father on the witness stands. And they were pressing

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Speaker 5: that hard against the government lawyers, against the dj to

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Speaker 5: get them not to charge Hunter Biden with anything, and

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Speaker 5: they were going to do it. That is That is

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Speaker 5: how serious this all is. God bless Chapline Ziggler, who

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Speaker 5: came for that helped so much. I'm convinced that's why

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Speaker 5: the judge in that case that did such a good

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Speaker 5: job when she looked at this plea deal in the

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Speaker 5: diversion agreement and said, no way to either one of

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Speaker 5: those things. And now here we are now the crazy thing.

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Speaker 5: The very person who was going to put a sweeter,

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Speaker 5: sweetheart deal together, the very person who allowed all these

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Speaker 5: things to happen in the four and a half years

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Speaker 5: of that investigation. That's the guy Hunter Biden. Excuse me,

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Speaker 5: Merrick Garl now makes the special counsel David Weis makes

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Speaker 5: him the special counsel in this investigation, which makes absolutely

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Speaker 5: no sense.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for being with us, concess and Jim Jordan of

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Speaker 3: Ohio is always good to talk to you, sir.

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Speaker 5: You bet, you bet, take care of guys.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, keep up the good work.

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Speaker 4: I think this is so important, Buck as we go

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Speaker 4: to break for everybody out there, I understand how frustrating

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Speaker 4: it is to see all of this criminality stacking up

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Speaker 4: and feel like there have been no consequences. I think

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Speaker 4: Jim Jordan's one hundred percent right there. If Republicans don't

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Speaker 4: have control of the house, Hunter Biden, no punishment at all.

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Speaker 2: It all gets sweet swept under the rug.

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Speaker 4: And that's something for all of you to keep in mind,

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Speaker 4: not only about the presidential race next year, which is

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Speaker 4: obviously going to be consequential, but maintaining the House and

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Speaker 4: presidential race, is going to be incredibly important and consequential

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Speaker 4: in terms of holding people in positions of power on

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck twenty four seven and subscribe today.

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Speaker 3: Third Hour Clay and Buck kicks off now and we

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Speaker 3: are joined by doctor Marty McCarry. He is at Johns

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Speaker 3: Hopkins University Medical Center. He's also the author of The

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Speaker 3: Price We Pay and doctor McCarey. Great to have you

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Speaker 3: on as always, thanks for being here with us. I

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Speaker 3: want to start with this one. Are there really And

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Speaker 3: I think I know the answer is, but there's a

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Speaker 3: part of me that's hoping that I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: get the answer you're going to give here. We've seen

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Speaker 3: some talk of mask masks coming back from the White

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Speaker 3: House no less, and even from a school. Clay brought

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Speaker 3: that up yesterday. I'm seeing masks, especially in airports these days.

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Speaker 3: For some reason, COVID only lives at airports in some

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Speaker 3: people's minds. When you have some of your medical colleagues,

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Speaker 3: when you have a moment with them, do any of

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Speaker 3: them really look in the eye and say, mask mandates

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Speaker 3: are going to stop COVID? Like they actually believe this still?

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Speaker 3: I mean that honestly, Like, are there still true believers

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Speaker 3: that you come across in medicine when it comes to fauciism?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they do.

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Speaker 8: Believe it, and I think it's because they don't actually

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Speaker 8: read the studies. They instead they just follow the group

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Speaker 8: think and the dogma and the consensus. Because the consensus

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Speaker 8: is coming from the powerful elites in the medical field.

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Speaker 8: These are highly partisan leaders of the professional associations. They

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Speaker 8: are very intertwined with the CDC and ih Fauci types.

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Speaker 8: And look, I want to believe the masks work too,

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Speaker 8: I really want it to work, but it just doesn't. Right,

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Speaker 8: that's the scientific process. I want to believe in Goldilocks

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Speaker 8: and the Three Bears, I want to believe in a

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Speaker 8: lot of things.

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Speaker 7: But when you have evidence that.

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Speaker 8: Does not exist, and then strong research to the contrary,

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Speaker 8: the scientific process is you listen to that evidence. Right now,

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Speaker 8: we've got this study called the Cochrane Review, which looked

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Speaker 8: at one hundred and fifty studies on masks. Cochrane has

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Speaker 8: always been the accepted authority in medicine forever. Anytime they

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Speaker 8: do their comprehensive reviews, everyone says this is now the

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Speaker 8: gold standard, except when it challenged the dogma, except when

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Speaker 8: it gave results that some people simply.

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Speaker 7: Did not like.

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Speaker 4: Doctor mcaary, thanks for all the work you've been doing.

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Speaker 4: And I know you've been writing a lot of editorials

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Speaker 4: at the Wall Street Journal and other places as well.

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Speaker 4: But when you hear doctor Fauci say as he did

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Speaker 4: in that interview on CNN, it may not work in

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Speaker 4: a large group basis, but on an individual basis, it

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Speaker 4: still can. Buck and I had this conversation where if

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Speaker 4: you acknowledge the data reflects that you might have been wrong,

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Speaker 4: people actually trust you more. Why do you think so

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Speaker 4: many doctors are afraid to acknowledge the evolving data on

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Speaker 4: masks and not just admit that they didn't actually have

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Speaker 4: an impact.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think we're.

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Speaker 8: In a new era right now, Clay, when doctors are

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Speaker 8: no longer doing their own analysis of the research. What

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Speaker 8: we've lost in medicine is the art of the critical

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Speaker 8: appraisal of research. This research is strong, this research is bad,

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Speaker 8: You throw this one out, this one is solid.

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Speaker 7: We've lost that.

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Speaker 8: Instead now doctors have gone partisan because there's a guy

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Speaker 8: in office they don't like, didn't like, and this other

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Speaker 8: guy is against that guy. So I'm with this guy.

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Speaker 8: And that is the tragedy right now of modern medicine.

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Speaker 8: And if you look at the history of modern medicine,

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Speaker 8: it's not the first time. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 8: it's a trend.

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Speaker 7: Opioids are not addictive.

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Speaker 8: How long did we believe that for? That was the

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Speaker 8: consensus that was from on high. The doctor's groups, the

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Speaker 8: medical journals, the industry all pushed it for thirty years.

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Speaker 8: If you said something of the contrary, it was, well,

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Speaker 8: that's not you know, your sidelined saturated fact causing heart disease.

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Speaker 8: That's not true. That was a dogma for fifty years

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Speaker 8: until it was disproven kids should avoid peanuts.

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Speaker 7: That was dogma. It was not true.

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Speaker 8: It actually created a lot of peanut allergies.

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Speaker 7: So we have a history.

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Speaker 8: There's actually a trend line of doctors not doing their

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Speaker 8: own critical analysis.

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Speaker 7: They just signed on to the group.

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Speaker 2: Think doctor McCarey.

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Speaker 3: One thing that you come across with people sometimes who

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Speaker 3: are the mask dead enders, if you will, they'll say,

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Speaker 3: why do doctors and surgeons wear masks in the hospital?

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Speaker 2: Still, idiot? How do you respond to that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, given what the Cochrane study shows, Because.

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Speaker 2: To me, it's yeah, maybe doctors actually shouldn't be.

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Speaker 3: Walking around necessarily with masks on, unless it's to what

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Speaker 3: stop droplets during surgery or something that would make sense.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 8: Look, if we sneeze and there's droplet contamination, that's not

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Speaker 8: droplet contamination we want in a sterile field. But go

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Speaker 8: to overseas and you will see surgeons operating with no

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Speaker 8: mask or their masks below their nose, and we don't

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Speaker 8: see differences and infection rates. Now, I wear a mask

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Speaker 8: when I do surgery because that's our protocol, and I'll

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Speaker 8: give it the benefit of the doubt. But you're talking

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Speaker 8: about a sterile field and you're talking about no.

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Speaker 7: Evidence to support it. We just do it.

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Speaker 8: When it comes to covering the faces of children in school,

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Speaker 8: you're causing harm. And when you have a definitive study

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Speaker 8: that shows that masks do not alter the trache actually

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Speaker 8: the infection, what do you do with that inconvenient data

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Speaker 8: if you're a masked cult member.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, doc, I gotta ask.

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you think there's a prominent doctor out

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Speaker 3: there who would publicly debate you on this issue or

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Speaker 3: do they just know that when push comes to push

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Speaker 3: comes to show the facts will smash them.

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Speaker 8: No, no, one'll I've never found anyone courageous enough to

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Speaker 8: actually discuss it head to.

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Speaker 7: Head, because if you look at the shreddy.

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Speaker 8: The terrible evidence that they cite to support masks. It's

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Speaker 8: the hairdresser study in Maricopa County that the CDC did themselves.

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Speaker 8: It's the Boston school District study where they cherry picked schools.

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Speaker 8: The study was redone and found to have the opposite result,

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Speaker 8: that is, it was found to have no impact. So

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Speaker 8: if we actually talk about the evidence, then it's a

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Speaker 8: very clear discussion. But people don't want to talk about

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Speaker 8: the actual data.

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Speaker 4: Doctor mcarey, I'm curious on this too, and we appreciate

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Speaker 4: you coming on and encourage you to go follow doctor

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Speaker 4: Martin mcay read his work that has been widely published

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Speaker 4: all over. The place you are from, Johns Hopkins is

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Speaker 4: where you work. Now you've advised Glenn Youngkin you're in

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Speaker 4: the DC area. I'm sure you saw yesterday I shared

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Speaker 4: a story out of Montgomery County that an elementary school

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Speaker 4: classroom kids are being forced to wear in ninety fives

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Speaker 4: for ten days because a few of them have tested

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Speaker 4: positive for COVID.

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Speaker 3: This is a kindergarten classroom. When you see a response

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Speaker 3: like that, as a doctor, your reaction is.

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Speaker 8: What, well, it's sad that children are being forced to

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Speaker 8: wear the political badge of adults. Children have become the

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Speaker 8: lined in the sand for parents and adults having an

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Speaker 8: argument about evidence where they don't want to actually talk about.

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Speaker 7: The Cochran Review.

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Speaker 8: So it's a tragedy. I wish we weren't at the stage.

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Speaker 8: If you look at the money, time and energy and

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Speaker 8: lawsuits we've spent on back and forth with masks, the

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Speaker 8: Cochran Review would tell us none of it made a difference.

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Speaker 8: It's a highly contagious virus. The kids are going to

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Speaker 8: get it. They might get it seven times or nine

877
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Speaker 8: times in their childhood. You cannot outrun the lion. When

878
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Speaker 8: you have one of these cloth or surgical masks on.

879
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 8: You're still breathing, and you're just breathing around the mask

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Speaker 8: work through with a poor size bigger than the virus size.

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Speaker 3: And in terms of we're speaking of doctor Marty McCarey

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Speaker 3: of Johns Hockey's University Medical Center, in terms of where

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Speaker 3: we go here with vaccines and boosters or whatever they're

884
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Speaker 3: calling them. Now, what I mean is it basically like

885
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Speaker 3: Blu shot level effectiveness.

886
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Speaker 2: So maybe seniors should consider taking it.

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Speaker 3: The fact that I think it's still official White House

888
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Speaker 3: guidance that everybody over six months should get a booster.

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Speaker 3: Where does all of that stand based on the data.

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Speaker 8: Well, we don't have any data on boosters and young

891
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Speaker 8: people whatsoever. Never did, never had that research. The study

892
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Speaker 8: that people have cited to support the booster dose and

893
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Speaker 8: younger people, It turns out, and that Israeli study, when

894
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Speaker 8: the scientists went back and reanalyzed the data, they found

895
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Speaker 8: that it was just a healthier group that went out

896
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Speaker 8: to get the booster, and so they saw lower mortality

897
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Speaker 8: rate in that group for cancer and heart disease and

898
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Speaker 8: COVID and everything because it's just a healthier group. And

899
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Speaker 8: so the New England Journal got a letter rebutting that article.

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Speaker 8: So I'd love to see the data that these repeat

901
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Speaker 8: boosters give you anything more than a sugar high for

902
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Speaker 8: three months of antibodies. You might get transient protection, but

903
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Speaker 8: you cannot outrun a highly contagious virus. The White House

904
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Speaker 8: is already saying that their new booster shot, which is

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Speaker 8: a whole new COVID vaccine, a newly designed COVID vaccine

906
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Speaker 8: that's expected to be FDA approved and CDC recommended as

907
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Speaker 8: of Tuesday. They want everyone over twelve years of age

908
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Speaker 8: to get it, and they say that it works, But

909
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Speaker 8: there's never been a human trial on that vaccine, no

910
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Speaker 8: human outcomes.

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Speaker 4: Stay that, doctor Martin McCarey with us right now, Where

912
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Speaker 4: do we go from here? Let's pretend that you were

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Speaker 4: in charge of COVID response going forward. What would your

914
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Speaker 4: advice be to Americans across the political spectrum, Democrats, Republicans,

915
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Speaker 4: and independents as we prepare to enter what will be

916
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Speaker 4: a fourth crazy to think of this that we're still

917
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Speaker 4: having this conversation, but this is the fourth fall and

918
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Speaker 4: winter since COVID emerged in a major way in March

919
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Speaker 4: of twenty twenty. What would your advice be for the nation?

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Speaker 4: What is the right decision at this point?

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Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you as a doctor, patients appreciate it

922
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Speaker 8: when you say I don't know when you really don't know,

923
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Speaker 8: when the evidence is not there to support something, Rather

924
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 8: than talk with dogma and absolutism, just acknowledge it. In

925
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Speaker 8: the case of masks, we got it wrong. The data

926
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Speaker 8: now are very clear.

927
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Speaker 7: In the case of school closures, we got it wrong.

928
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Speaker 8: People need to own up to these decisions, and we

929
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Speaker 8: cannot have the government adjudicating on every aspect of American life.

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Speaker 7: Can I go to the gym? What do I do here?

931
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Speaker 8: How long do I quarantine for?

932
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Speaker 7: It's a fluid situation.

933
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Speaker 8: Things change and everyone's different. Everyone has to assess their

934
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Speaker 8: own individual risk. We've got to use some common sense.

935
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Speaker 8: I think we've forgotten that we've turned to the CDC

936
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Speaker 8: to tell us whether or not we can use a

937
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Speaker 8: pencil or a pen We've got to get away from.

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Speaker 3: That, doctor McCarry. Always appreciate you, sir. If people want

939
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Speaker 3: to follow your research, your work, where should they go?

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Speaker 8: So I'm on Twitter, Marty McCarey, and I appreciate all

941
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Speaker 8: the retweets and life. So always happy to see what

942
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Speaker 8: you guys have to say. And thanks for having me.

943
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Speaker 2: All right, thank you? I mean, Clay, it is.

944
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Speaker 8: Man.

945
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Speaker 3: I love that reaction because we could talk a lot

946
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Speaker 3: of words, but that disgusted sigh that you just released there.

947
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Speaker 3: I feel like it is such a perfect approximation of

948
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Speaker 3: where we are.

949
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Speaker 2: What is wrong with people.

950
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Speaker 3: I just want to walk up and look at the

951
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 3: say what has to happen for you to realize you

952
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: were wrong?

953
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you know. I've gone through things.

954
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Speaker 3: I mean I'm trying to think of a different sort

955
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 3: of eras of science, where you know, I grew up

956
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: thinking that breakfast cereal was really healthy. Eat breakfast cereal.

957
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: Breakfast cereal is not. I mean, it's overwhelmingly trash. It's

958
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 3: it's good if you want to, you know, get to

959
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: pre diabetes. Goes the Kewog sponsorship just saying no. But

960
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: but you know, in terms of you know, I went

961
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Speaker 3: to a school where there were fights among the parents

962
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Speaker 3: and the faculty. I wasn't involved this, but I remember

963
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Speaker 3: because this is kind of a doctor McCarey's point about

964
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 3: the history of medicine. They told us margarine was so

965
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: much healthier than butter. Margarine is orders of magnitude worse

966
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 3: for you than any like, it's just bad for you.

967
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 3: I mean, butter actually is good in moderation and has

968
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Speaker 3: a lot of good stuff in it. Margarine terrible for you.

969
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 3: I grew up we only serve margin because butter is

970
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 3: so bad for you. What I'm saying is the system

971
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 3: gets things wrong. And what he what he brought up.

972
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Speaker 3: People don't even know this. The book Dreamland by Sam

973
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: Cononez does an amazing job of laying out how these

974
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: how this pharmaceutical you know, Purdue Pharma and pharmaceutical companies

975
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Speaker 3: managed to get away with convincing doctors that basically the

976
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Speaker 3: most addictive substance on planet Earth is not addictive. And

977
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 3: this was in the nineties and the early two thousands.

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Speaker 2: Everybody. So the notion that now people say, well, were

979
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 2: all the doctor's wrong? Are you an MD?

980
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: Yes, sometimes all the doctors are wrong. Read a history book, lives,

981
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 3: read a history book.

982
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 2: I'll give you a perfect example.

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Speaker 3: As frustrated as you are, Buck, individually, I can tell

984
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Speaker 3: you that as a parent, I cannot imagine how much

985
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: I would be losing my mind if my kids were

986
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Speaker 3: in Montgomery County schools and my kindergarteners were required to

987
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: wear a mask as they're doing right now.

988
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: And I'll give you a perfect example that sums this up. Buck.

989
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 4: When you and I were kids, our moms and every

990
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Speaker 4: mom out there who has a kid, and the neighborhood

991
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 4: of being forty years old, all of you were told

992
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 4: put your babies on their stomach. That was the teaching.

993
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 3: Every doctor, every pediatrician, They said, we want to try

994
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Speaker 3: to limit sudden infant deaths, make sure that you put

995
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 3: every baby on their stomach.

996
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: I just had three kids, and so I know now that.

997
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 3: They have completely reversed that guidance and they now say, actually,

998
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: you should put babies on their back. Putting babies on

999
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,479
Speaker 3: their stomach made it more likely that they were going

1000
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: to die of SIDS. So all of the experts out there, Buck,

1001
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: who were saying, hey, put your babies on their stomach,

1002
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 3: make sure you do this. This is what the science shows,

1003
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 3: they got it one hundred percent wrong. And now they

1004
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 3: flip the guidance. So what my parents were told to

1005
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 3: do when I was a baby is different than what

1006
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Speaker 3: I was told to do with my old children.

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Speaker 4: Science is often wrong. That's why it must be challenged aggressively.

1008
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 4: And what we have seen during COVID, and this is scary,

1009
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 4: is complete acquiescence to the idea that science is infallible,

1010
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 4: which was perfectly personified by doctor Fauci himself, Buck saying.

1011
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: What I am the science. I am the science.

1012
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 4: Such a terrifying idea because what it represents is you

1013
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 4: can't be challenged if you are the science.

1014
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: And I know, and I still I still get the

1015
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: people that say, you know, I don't know. I like

1016
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: Clay and Buck on a lot of things, but they

1017
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: talk about this stuff too much.

1018
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 3: If we don't attack the edifice of how this all

1019
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: went wrong, this becomes the playbook for how they do.

1020
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Speaker 2: More of this in the future.

1021
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 3: This the machine has stayed intact, as we can all see,

1022
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: because there's revenue the machine again.

1023
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Speaker 4: No consequences, And your kindergarteners in Montgomery County, we got

1024
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Speaker 4: people listening to us right now with kids in Montgomery County.

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Speaker 2: We got our brand new DC affiliate.

1026
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Speaker 4: They're gonna have to wear masks five year olds for

1027
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 4: ten days for a virus that has no impact on them.

1028
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Speaker 4: By the way, kN ninety five masks. I mean these

1029
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 4: things are uncomfortable for adults to wear. You think kindergartener's

1030
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 4: trying to learn how to read and trying to learn

1031
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 4: how to quit themselves in school are being well addressed

1032
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Speaker 4: by this.

1033
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Speaker 2: This is shameful.

1034
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Speaker 4: It's indefensible and needs to be called out and ridiculed

1035
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Speaker 4: to the fullest amount of all of our I.

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Speaker 3: Just had a family member tell me that this family

1037
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Speaker 3: member's doctor requires masks. Going in today requires course of course,

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Speaker 3: That's why you have to fight it. They're not going

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