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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts.

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Speaker 2: Let's Giants on My Giants, give me some Jump, part

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Speaker 2: of the Giants Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: Let's row all right.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the newest edition of The Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 3: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the

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Speaker 3: New York Football Giants. John Smoke with you. We're joined

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Speaker 3: by front of the program, the one and only Solomon Wilcox.

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Speaker 3: You can hear them every morning on Serrious XM NFL

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Speaker 3: Radio on the opening drive. Also, if you're Bengal fans,

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Speaker 3: they got to Believe in Bengals podcast. It's basically the

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Speaker 3: equivalent to a Bob Pop and Crawl Banks do for

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Speaker 3: the Giants on Believe.

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Speaker 1: It's Sally handling things on the Bengals end solid. It's

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Speaker 1: good to see it man.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 1: John?

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Speaker 2: Hey, good to see you. You got to get to

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Speaker 2: spend some time together, come face to face other than

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Speaker 2: every year when we get to the Super Bowl, So

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Speaker 2: it's good to see you a little bit earlier. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure I'll see you in Vegas, but good to see

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Speaker 2: you around this Christmas time. I hope you're enjoying the.

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Speaker 3: Holiday absolutely and also at the NFL combine obviously when

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Speaker 3: you're doing the shows for serious c over there as well.

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Speaker 3: All right, so let's start with the Giants this year, Sally,

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Speaker 3: big picture for you, roughier for Big Blue, obviously not

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Speaker 3: where they want to be. What's your overall take on

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Speaker 3: kind of what happened this year, what went wrong, and

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Speaker 3: kind of what that means moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Look early on, obviously, you know you get the injury

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Speaker 2: to say Kwon Barkley, you put more on the quarterback

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones. I think you find out your offensive line

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Speaker 2: is not nearly as good thought they could have added

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Speaker 2: maybe more at the wide receiver position around the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Even though you know Jalen Hyatt I think as a

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Speaker 2: draft pick, I think he's gonna be fine, but you

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Speaker 2: need to have something and a more veteran leadership group

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Speaker 2: amongst your skilled players that can really help elevate the offense.

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Speaker 2: And once the injury started to occur, you and I

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Speaker 2: both know things started to take a downhill slide. But

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Speaker 2: I think what you found out in Tommy DeVito is

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Speaker 2: that if you get a quarterback who's a gamer, who

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Speaker 2: has the can match the energy of a Brian dabow Right,

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Speaker 2: it tends to be a force multiplier. Soon as you

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Speaker 2: get someone at that physician who really can can you

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Speaker 2: don't need everything to go well in order for him

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Speaker 2: to play well or for him to be productive. That

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Speaker 2: he's the difference maker. I think you saw that the

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Speaker 2: energy shifts in a more positive way. So I think

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Speaker 2: as they go back to reconstructing this roster, that's something

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Speaker 3: And so al you hit it, you look, you have

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Speaker 3: to figure out a way to score more points. The

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Speaker 3: Giants have had this issue on offense for a few

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Speaker 3: years now. So you mentioned a veteran wide receiver. Those

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Speaker 3: obviously now in free agency get very pricey, right. T

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Speaker 3: Higgins is going to be on the free agent market

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Speaker 3: if he doesn't get franchised. I mean, I think the

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Speaker 3: bidding probably starts at twenty five million dollars. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is this is not it's not going to be

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Speaker 3: lot of wide receivers ever you can get in the draft.

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Speaker 3: They have Saquon Barkley's a free agent. Darren Waller's back

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Speaker 3: with the hamstring injury again this year. What do you

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Speaker 3: What do you think the path forward is. We're trying

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Speaker 2: I think the focus has to be offensive. You can

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Speaker 2: find receivers, and here's how I put it. Big skilled

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Speaker 2: know the Chiefs are challenged in that area. But every

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Speaker 2: in as different difference makers as rookies, right certainly by

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Speaker 2: He wasn't a first round pick. One of the reasons

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Speaker 2: They have three first rounders on their offensive line. The

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Speaker 2: Bengals passed on Piney, so we're still looking for a

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Speaker 2: You want to score more points, get a dominant offensive line,

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Speaker 3: All Right, you mentioned Saquon Barkley earlier. He's a free

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Speaker 3: Reports are they came pretty close. How do you think

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Speaker 3: Obviously he's going to be, you know, further into his career.

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Speaker 3: We know about running backs are longevity. But he's still

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Speaker 3: the Giants' most explosive offensive player. You mentioned it when

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Speaker 3: he wasn't on the field earlier in the year, it

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Speaker 3: was ugly. So how do you think the Giants handled

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Speaker 2: Look, you either give him the contract that he's worth

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Speaker 2: or you let him hit the free agent mar it's

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Speaker 2: time to no longer can you split the baby and

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Speaker 2: try to thread the need. You either pay them or

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Speaker 2: they're the precarious nature of what they do in terms

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Speaker 2: of being prone to injury. Well, look at the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Quarterbacks prone to injury, not the player, the position we're

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Speaker 2: talking about. The position is prone to injury. And I

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Speaker 2: am agast right now, John about how teams are not

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Speaker 2: investing more in the quarterback room. How do you not

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Speaker 2: have depth at the quarterback positions? How are you not

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Speaker 2: spending more money at this position? Like the Jets, you

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Speaker 2: put all that effort and energy to go out and

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Speaker 2: get Aaron Rodgers, but you don't have a backup plan,

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Speaker 2: no contingency plan. That's malfeasans. I mean to put that

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Speaker 2: last year that you already decided you didn't want. So

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Speaker 2: I think teams have got to look at it like that.

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Speaker 2: It's about assuring the position. But when it comes to

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Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley, you either pay him okay, or you're let

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Speaker 2: to me, I think that would be holding him hostage.

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Speaker 2: And it's really about having volunteers, right, not hostages. You

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Speaker 2: be happy, but he's already proven he's going to produce.

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Speaker 2: What we can't do is we can't assure if he

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Speaker 3: What you mentioned a little bit earlier about the quarterback

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Speaker 3: viasiation with Tommy DeVito.

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Speaker 1: How do you view that, Sally? Is he proving that?

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Speaker 3: All right, Look, we don't need to invest in a

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Speaker 3: need to bring him back.

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Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito shown enough. How do you just view this

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Speaker 1: whole phenomenon from it's fun, but from a football perspective

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Speaker 2: I keep him as my backup. I keep him as

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Speaker 2: he's earned it. He's he's earned it and he's still

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Speaker 2: got three more games to play. But I think he's

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Speaker 2: make sure it lasts as long as possible. But I'm

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Speaker 2: also going to have a third quarterback in that room, right,

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Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not gonna go cheap, and I get it,

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Speaker 2: you gotta manage the other areas. I'm not gonna go

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Speaker 2: gonna ensure that if we lose Daniel Jones again or

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Speaker 2: that we're gonna have somebody at that position who's gonna

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Speaker 2: Uh the commissioner quoted uh NFL teams of spending John

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Speaker 2: eight hundred million dollars a year on coaches who aren't

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Speaker 2: even coaching. Right, there's been and now we're gonna save

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Speaker 1: Giants are reported that list. By the way, Oh, I know,

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm That's why I brought it up. Like,

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Speaker 2: but we're not, Oh, we're not going to spend money

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Speaker 2: I think teams are going to have to start looking

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Speaker 2: and having, you know, having back up and contingency plans

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Speaker 2: a precarious position. I think we could still do the

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Speaker 4: You love turf, You're good at it, so you start

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Do you invest in a Vet Sally?

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Speaker 1: Given Daniel Jones' injury?

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Speaker 3: Do you look at the draft as the Giants could

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Speaker 3: also look on Day two right there, it's supposed to

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Speaker 3: all the guys coming out, how heavily would you consider

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Speaker 3: Given Daniel Jones' injury this year is injury history and

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Speaker 3: I think you can.

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Speaker 2: I think you can invest in that room, in that

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Speaker 2: you can find someone to kind of help with the

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Speaker 2: You can still have a Tommy DeVito there and Daniel

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Speaker 2: Jones there. Doesn't have to be a first round pick.

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Speaker 2: I think once you go with the first round pick,

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Daniel Jones is probably

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Speaker 2: So no, I think you can get a second round

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Speaker 3: Steichen earlier. I look at the Philadelphia Eagles and you

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Speaker 1: They're not playing very good.

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Speaker 3: even when they are winning games, right, I've just not

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Speaker 2: Look, as much as we love a Jalen Hurts, I

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Speaker 2: Their inability to run games not the same. We know

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Speaker 3: Dan, I'm with you on Hurtz and you mentioned this

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Speaker 3: Whatever it was, they could just run the ball thirty

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Speaker 3: No, I'm with you, and you know Shane Steiken used

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Speaker 1: Just go to what works.

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Speaker 2: That's a person that's a personality thing, right that Brian

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and then on their defense, Syle. You know, Matt

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Speaker 2: Clearly James Bradberry was struggling here and I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: Long Sally, those throws shouldn't even be available.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they didn't blitz a lot either. It was

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Speaker 2: That's what happened. You know, they lost the road game

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Speaker 2: to the Eagles. What they're three and four so far

437
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Speaker 2: on the road, so those are your four road They

438
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Speaker 2: fallen behind when they fall when you fall behind, Now,

439
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 2: what happens is other teams get to pound the run

440
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: game at the Cowboys aren't built for that kind of

441
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 2: style of play there. You they're built to rush the quarterback,

442
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: throw throw throat. We're gonna pick off a lot of passes.

443
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah right, and we're gonna turn you over, and we're

444
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Speaker 2: gonna win the game if you slow it down and

445
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: turn it into one of these guys. You know, that's

446
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 2: what the that's what the Bills did. They ran it well,

447
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Speaker 2: forty nine times, forty.

448
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Speaker 1: Nine times josh All thirteen passes.

449
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. So so when you run at that,

450
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 2: they're not built for that kind of fight. Marquis bell Is,

451
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 2: he's like a hybrid linebacker, more of a safety. Willbacker's

452
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 2: playing mike backer.

453
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Speaker 1: He's two hundred pounds for good mistakes.

454
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Speaker 2: That's right. Now, that's that's if you're if a team

455
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: is throwing on you every single down, that's the kind

456
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Speaker 2: of guy you want in there to match up with

457
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 2: these pass routes and with these athletic tight ends, But

458
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Speaker 2: not if a team's gonna pound the rocke at you.

459
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Speaker 2: And that's what happens. So it's styles make fights, Right,

460
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Speaker 2: You tell me the style of the fight, and uh,

461
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Speaker 2: that's what's gonna determine whether or not the Dallas Cowboys

462
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Speaker 2: are gonna be able to political fight. And so what

463
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Speaker 2: they what?

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Speaker 3: Now?

465
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Speaker 2: Look the Miami Dolphins, they match up. They play a

466
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Speaker 2: kind of style that matches, and if you're the Cowboys,

467
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, we match up. We'll get speed offense.

468
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Speaker 2: A lot of their run plays are come off that

469
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Speaker 2: jet motion wide run game, sort of zone inside zone,

470
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Speaker 2: outside zones type stuff. Dolphins aren't trying to power you

471
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Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage with their run plays. They're

472
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Speaker 2: trying to move you an influence ship right to go

473
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Speaker 2: this way, and then they're tricking and pitching the ball

474
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Speaker 2: back over here. Right. It's it's a lot of that

475
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So this is a style kind of

476
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Speaker 2: a match up where I think the Cowboys should match

477
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Speaker 2: up a little bit better. Now, who's gonna cover and

478
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Speaker 2: defend against Tyreek Hill lowerd knows because nobody to be

479
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Speaker 2: able to stop.

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Speaker 1: Hell right, absolutely. And then you look at the Dolphins.

481
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Speaker 3: Sally and a lot of people have kind of jump

482
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Speaker 3: back on the Dolphin bandwagon and they haven't lost in

483
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Speaker 3: a while, and I get that.

484
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Speaker 1: Then I look back and I'm like, well, hold on

485
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Speaker 1: a second. These are their last few wins.

486
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Speaker 3: They beat the Patriots by fourteen, they lose to the Chiefs,

487
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Speaker 3: they beat the Raiders by only seven, they beat the

488
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Speaker 3: Jets by twenty, they beat the Commanders by thirty, they

489
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Speaker 3: lose to Tennessee at home, by the way, and then they.

490
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Speaker 1: Beat the Jets. You know, it's not like the Dolphins

491
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Speaker 1: have beaten a good team during this stretch.

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Speaker 3: I think this is as much is an important game

493
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Speaker 3: for Miami to beat a team like Dallas as it

494
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Speaker 3: is for Dallas to show they can win on the road.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a big barometer game for both

496
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Speaker 1: these teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was surprised in that Tennessee game, more importantly

498
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Speaker 2: by the defense, because I expect more with Xavian Howard

499
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Speaker 2: and Jalen Ramsey and Vic Fangio. Remember of this offseason,

500
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Speaker 2: we were talking about this might be the best marriage

501
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Speaker 2: with a defensive coordinator, with this kind of offense and

502
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Speaker 2: with these two corners that they have and Xavian Howard

503
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Speaker 2: and Jalen Ramsey didn't manifest itself in that game against

504
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Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans where they let the rookie Will Levis.

505
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Speaker 2: He had more passing yards for a rookie quarterback on

506
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Speaker 2: Monday Night than any quarterback in the NFL history. So

507
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Speaker 2: that to me was the surprising part. There was an

508
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Speaker 2: element in that game where the Dolphins looked like they're

509
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Speaker 2: coming back, right they stopped turning it over, or excuse me,

510
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Speaker 2: it looked like the Titans were coming back. They stopped

511
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Speaker 2: turning it over. And what happened was that Dolphins had

512
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Speaker 2: the ball. They could have eaten up clock with about

513
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Speaker 2: two minutes something left in the clock in the game,

514
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Speaker 2: maybe four minutes somewhere in there. They couldn't run the

515
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Speaker 2: ball three run plays consecutively, which is the thing to

516
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Speaker 2: do you're trying to eat clock, right, they weren't able

517
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Speaker 2: to three run plays for eight yards total. They go

518
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Speaker 2: three and out, give the ball back to the Titans.

519
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: The Titans drive right down and win the game. So

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Speaker 2: that's what surprised me is that the Dolphins one of

521
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Speaker 2: the top ranked rushing offenses in the league, I think

522
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Speaker 2: top five right now. At that point they were a

523
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Speaker 2: number two behind the Baltimore Ravens, and they could not

524
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Speaker 2: generate rushing yards when they had to. They can't knock

525
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Speaker 2: you off the ball and roll up their sleeves and

526
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Speaker 2: run it when they need to. They are good rushing offense,

527
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Speaker 2: except for when they need it, when they're trying to

528
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Speaker 2: kill the clock and put teams away. That's one of

529
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Speaker 2: the things you have to be careful about. I think

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Speaker 2: that's why you see them winning against the lesser teams,

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Speaker 2: but when they go up against teams that's really stout

532
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Speaker 2: at the point of attack, they tend to struggle.

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Speaker 3: you real quick. I think two best teams in the

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Speaker 3: NFL this week are playing on Christmas Night, the forty

545
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Speaker 3: nine Ers and the Ravens. I mean, if the Niners

546
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Speaker 3: stay healthy, I don't know who knocks them out of

547
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Speaker 3: this in the NFC. I think the AFC is a

548
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Speaker 3: little bit more interesting. Your thoughts on those two teams

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Speaker 3: and that matchup.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the only way the Niners lose is they beat themselves, right,

551
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Speaker 2: especially with healthy Trent Williams and Deebo in the lineup,

552
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: They're undefeated when those two guys are playing. We all

553
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: know Christian McCaffrey is the he's the ultimate weapon on offense.

554
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Speaker 2: And what the forty nine Ers are so great at

555
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Speaker 2: doing is they space you out. They get good spacing

556
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: and they've got five eligibles who can all make you

557
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: miss in space that if you're not a good tackling team.

558
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Speaker 1: Oh you're finished.

559
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Speaker 2: They move the chains or they take it to the house, right.

560
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Speaker 2: Deebo is a running back playing white stever. Christian McCaffrey

561
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Speaker 2: is a running back who can play wide receiving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

563
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Speaker 2: Kyle's use check is I think an underrated element because

564
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: he's a full back, really a half back, but he

565
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Speaker 2: can make you miss. And Brandon Aiyuk is just quietly

566
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Speaker 2: over there getting five to or more touchdowns a year

567
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: every year since he's been in the league. And we

568
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: know about George Kittle, So they've got the five eligibles

569
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Speaker 2: that really make it tough on a defense. And they

570
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Speaker 2: have a guy who's now distributing the ball at our

571
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: level that we've never seen. Rock Party is completing his

572
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 2: yards per pacitive. It's almost at ten yards per attempt,

573
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: never before done in our league. If he does that

574
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: for the duration of the season, it'll be the first

575
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: time in NFL history that it's ever happened. So that's

576
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: and now he's completing seventy percent of his passes. That

577
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's playing at an epically highly efficient level.

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Speaker 2: That really does garner I think some consideration for MVP.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in three weeks ago, I was arguing against him

580
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Speaker 3: for MVP. I thought Dak had a better argument. Every

581
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Speaker 3: week that goes by Sally, I have a hard time

582
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Speaker 3: saying Rock Party shouldn't win it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, he gets a lot of help from

584
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Speaker 1: the guys around them. No one would argue that. But

585
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Speaker 1: he also makes some really good throws in the middle

586
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: of the field and he's.

587
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: Pushing it down the field. It's his decision making, it's

588
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: his timing, and then his overall accuracy. He is. He

589
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: is dead on accurate and the timing in which it's happening.

590
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Speaker 2: That's the reason why they were able to move on

591
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: from highly drafted guys, highly paid guys to go with

592
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: mister irrelevant because he is not irrelevant. He's very important

593
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Speaker 2: to what they do. And this game might decide who

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Speaker 2: gets the MVP of War, because I do think Lamar

595
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Speaker 2: Jackson is part of that conversation. And I'll tell you

596
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: right now. He plays the game differently. At the quarterback position.

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00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: They consume so much time of possession, they go on

598
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: long drives. He plays keep away from the other quarterback

599
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Speaker 2: and they limit how many opportunities you're going to get

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Speaker 2: to score. And I went back and I checked it.

601
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Speaker 2: He started seventy five career games in the NFL and

602
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Speaker 2: he's won roughly. The team has run seventy four percent

603
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: of the games when Lamar Jackson is their starting quarterback.

604
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Speaker 2: That it's incredible. Who what other quarterback. Can we say there?

605
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Speaker 2: The team is winning three out of four games when

606
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: he's their starter, and that's what he does. He's a

607
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Speaker 2: difference maker at the one most important metric that you

608
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: want wins and losses. He finds. He's a competitor. Hey,

609
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: he doesn't turn it over a whole lot. Yeah, he's

610
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: playing better from the pocket in the passing game. Yep.

611
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Speaker 2: He's still the ultimate threat when it comes to making

612
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Speaker 2: buying time extending plays, and he just runs your defensive

613
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Speaker 2: lineman Raggett to buy the end of the game. It's

614
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: a seven on seven contest because nobody. The linemen are

615
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: so dog tired they can't even catch him.

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Speaker 1: And who do you think? I'm sorry, ahead game that way.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, I interrupted, you go ahead, finish your sentence.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No.

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Speaker 2: I was just saying he changes the game just the

620
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Speaker 2: way that he plays it as a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Who do you think the biggest threat right now was

623
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Speaker 3: to Baltimore? I think both of us assume they're right

624
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Speaker 3: now the best team in the AFC. Who do you

625
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Speaker 3: think the real threats are out there? I think all

626
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: these teams have weaknesses. Right The Bills are playing really well.

627
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Speaker 3: But we know what happened.

628
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Speaker 1: Earlier in the year.

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Speaker 3: We talked about Miami, Patrick Mahomes and the wide receiver corps.

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Speaker 3: You talked about them. Your Bengals. Unfortunately with the issue

631
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Speaker 3: of quarterback now Jamar Chase is injured. Andre you know,

632
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence and Jacksonville has been very inconsistent. Who do

633
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: you think is the real challenger to the Ravens now

634
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: once you get to the postseason.

635
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Speaker 1: I think it's the Bills. To be quite honest with.

636
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Speaker 2: You, Yeah, I got another team for you because that

637
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: I would I was gonna say Bills also, but they

638
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: would be my second choice is right there in their division.

639
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: It's the Cleveland Brown.

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00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: Oh oh, with that defense.

641
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's it's it's it's Miles Garrett. It's a

642
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: Denzel Ward, right, it's Greg Newsome. The corners pass rush, okay,

643
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: Zadarius Smith, They've got they've got interior defensive lineman, they

644
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: have edge rushers, they have guys on the back end.

645
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: Emerson Martin Junior, he's the second year corner, but he's

646
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: one of the best third down corners you're gonna find

647
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: in our league. He can see he's a starter. Essentially,

648
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: and Jim Schwartz defense, they can go toe to toe

649
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: with the Ravens. Those teams that play one another frequently,

650
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: they have the best plan for how to defend what

651
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Speaker 2: they're gonna get from Lamar Jackson. And look, I think

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Speaker 2: they've already proven it, right, So no, I ain't. That's

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Speaker 2: the last team I think. I think if if you're

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Speaker 2: a John Harball, you don't want to see the Cleveland

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Speaker 2: Brows because you know they're gonna muddy it up and

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Speaker 2: turn it into a dogfight, any know.

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco revenge factor there too, going against this Foreber

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Speaker 3: team in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Right, all right? Final question NFC. We talked about the

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Speaker 1: teams the top at the top already? Are you a

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Speaker 1: believer in the Lions?

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Speaker 3: Would you put them in the same class as Dallas

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Speaker 3: and San Francisco and Philly and then the rest? I

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Speaker 3: could listen around eight teams as the rest or Could

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Speaker 3: any of those teams pose an upset to one of

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Speaker 3: those top teams you think in the NFC?

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Speaker 2: Detroit is one of those teams that if they're playing

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Speaker 2: at home and the crowd noise is rocking, they can

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Speaker 2: rack up points in a hurry. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you saw that game the other night, they basically punted

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Speaker 2: on their first three drives and then bam, it'scored.

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Speaker 3: Touchdo and defense is good too. It's not like the

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Speaker 3: Broncos defense can't play.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And they're explosive on offense. Five touchdown passes

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Speaker 2: from Jared Goff and they get rolling in there. I

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Speaker 2: think the tandem, the rookie tandem of Sam Laporta and

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Speaker 2: Jamier Gibbs and uh Man, they're just good. They get

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Speaker 2: the ball into the end zone. So if they're playing

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Speaker 2: at home in the playoffs, I'd say they're as formidable

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Speaker 2: as anyone. If they had to go out to San

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Speaker 2: Francisco and play, I'm gonna give the forty nine ers

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Speaker 2: the edge because, look, Detroit is still learning how to

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Speaker 2: do this right. They're still learning how to play and

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Speaker 2: performing these big games. And we've seen them not show

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Speaker 2: up in some spots. We've seen them go and play

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Speaker 2: in green and we've seen Green Bay come in there

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Speaker 2: and beat them on Thanksgiving Day, and then we saw

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Speaker 2: Seattle come into Detroit early in the season and beat them.

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Speaker 2: We also saw them go on the road and lose.

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Speaker 2: So I still think they're a young team that as

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Speaker 2: talented as they are, they're still young that they're trying

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Speaker 2: to learn how to deal with success. Do they have

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Speaker 2: the confidence to take on the big boys in the NFC?

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Speaker 2: I think that remains to be seen.

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Speaker 3: Who's the lurker? Are the Rams the scary team? Is

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Speaker 3: that the Seahawks? That's the scary team? Is there anyone

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Speaker 3: else in that picture that you think you know? Round

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Speaker 3: one wild Card round he give Dallas, Philly Detroit to

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Speaker 3: run for their money.

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Speaker 2: And no, I think you named the two the Rams.

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Speaker 2: The reason why is because Matthew Stafford, he's a giant slayer.

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Speaker 1: He's playing great too man no pun.

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Speaker 2: No pun intended by that, but but no, he he

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Speaker 2: is playing lights out and with Pooka Neicour and now

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Speaker 2: we're a healthy Cooper, Cup and Kyra and Williams out

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Speaker 2: of the backfield. They are going through people. The Ravens

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Speaker 2: had a tough time beating them, really tough time. It

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Speaker 2: took the walk off hunt return right for the Ravens

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Speaker 2: to win at home because Matt Stafford was Dylan in

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Speaker 2: that game. And then the other one is Seattle. Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 2: has you Pete Carroll has away. Think about what he

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Speaker 2: did with Drew Locke and any any wide Receive even

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Speaker 2: crew with Tyler Lockett, DK Metcalf and Jackson Smith and

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Speaker 2: Jigma dude, they can shred you if they get hot.

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Speaker 2: So you know, those are the two teams in the NFC.

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Speaker 2: That's a sleeper that can send somebody home early and

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Speaker 2: have them crying in their cheerios.

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Speaker 1: Sally, tell the folks whether you'll find all your great work.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, you can tune in of course that serious

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Speaker 2: XM NFL radio. It's the opening drive seven to ten

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Speaker 2: am Eastern time. Also, just go to Believe dot com

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Speaker 2: b l e a v dot com to check out

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Speaker 2: Believe in Bengals dot com. This week we had Ben

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Speaker 2: Roethlisberger come on to help us preview the upcoming game

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Speaker 2: between Bengals and Steelers. He had some interesting things to say. Smelke,

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you it was. It was pretty good.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, your co hosts on Sirius are great.

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Speaker 3: You get Tory Holton there, you get Eddie McCaffrey in there.

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Speaker 3: You have a nice group of guys that give a

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Speaker 3: really good perspective and guys that have played in the

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Speaker 3: league recently, so I think it really gives fans a

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Speaker 3: pretty good taste of the league.

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Speaker 2: I lean on those guys, you know, coach Todd Haley

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Speaker 2: comes up with us, Ed McCaffrey. What a real get

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Speaker 2: for us. We have someone on different because we get

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Speaker 2: a fresh, get, fresh opinions on some of the same

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Speaker 2: issues that we're dealing with. James White, who played with

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady, who today talked about, Yeah, their quarterbacks can

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Speaker 2: do a better job of protecting their guys, put the

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Speaker 2: ball on the back shoulder and not lead them into

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Speaker 2: that hit like what we saw. And Tom Brady is

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Speaker 2: speaking out unlike he's ever spoken out before. And it's

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Speaker 2: great to have a guy like James White to add

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Speaker 2: some context to some of those comments. So I appreciate

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Speaker 2: you saying.

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Speaker 1: That, Sally. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you down the road.

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Speaker 2: All right, man, Merry Christmas to you and your family

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 3: Salomon Willcott, thank you for joining us in the Johnsonto Podcast,

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Speaker 3: brought you by Citizens, the official Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody