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Speaker 1: From house stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast on Kristen and I'm Molly. Molly. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you can tell from my raspy voice. So

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Speaker 1: you have been raspy this week? I've been. It's been

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Speaker 1: a raspy week. I've been a little under the weather,

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Speaker 1: got a little chest congestion, a little little sniffle of

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Speaker 1: the nose. Uh So at first I thought, hey, maybe

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Speaker 1: I should amp up my vitamin intake, Vitamin C, vitamin conger. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: take some of vitamin C. Yeah, make myself feel better, right,

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Speaker 1: But then I said, no, I'm not gonna waste my

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Speaker 1: anything for me. Yeah. That's sort of our podcast in

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Speaker 1: a nutshell today. Yeah, you can kind of stop listening

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Speaker 1: because the title should women taking vitamin ends and uh,

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Speaker 1: it's not. It's not great news out there, guys, it's not.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I recently was in the vitamin aisle myself,

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Speaker 1: and you see so much marketed to you as a woman.

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Speaker 1: It's like, hey, do you have ovaries? You might like

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Speaker 1: this vitamin. Hey, are you a woman under twenty five?

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Speaker 1: Are you over twenty five? Are you pregnant, are you

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Speaker 1: thinking about getting pregnant? You have gray hair? There's something

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Speaker 1: for everybody. Yeah, And so I was looking at these

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Speaker 1: Do I need a male vitamin? Do I need this vitamin?

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Speaker 1: Or like a whole bunch of little vitamins. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I really would like to just take chewables kids swab.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could still take some flints. I mean

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Speaker 1: that's why we decided you to this podcast, was to

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Speaker 1: delve into the world of vitamins. And I'll just tell

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Speaker 1: you know, we did not come up with much that's positive. No,

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Speaker 1: but we did come up with much just positive for

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Speaker 1: the multi vitamin industry. Hey, guys, guess what, We're spending

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Speaker 1: twenty billion dollars a year on these things, on these supplements. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, part of it is just it's as

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Speaker 1: If it makes you feel better to spend ten bucks

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Speaker 1: that maybe you're getting some benefit from them. That's fine,

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Speaker 1: let's see bo effect can be there. You might think, hey,

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Speaker 1: doctors will say, well, there's really no harm that they're

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Speaker 1: doing anything bad. They may not be doing anything good,

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Speaker 1: be worthwhile not spending at the ten bucks a month

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Speaker 1: the effect of vitamins in one's body will depend on gender, age, race,

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Speaker 1: and a lot on your diet. Yes, and that will

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Speaker 1: now it sounds like just getting a really great diet

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Speaker 1: instead of you taken some vitamins C Kristen Conger, which

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Speaker 1: is now i'll refer to vitamin C, thank you. Uh,

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Speaker 1: to say the best source of vitamins is in your food.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about like fortified lucky charms about

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Speaker 1: Parker Pope over at the New York Times, and this

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Speaker 1: study period by four percent. Not huge, but still four

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Speaker 1: And it seems that taking them in these groupings, some

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