1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Everybody's Bill Courtney with an army and normal folks, and 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: it's shop Talk number sixty seven. Oh look, there's Alex 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: welcome to the job. Oh okay, guys today shop Talk 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: number sixty seven. Something that's near and dear to my heart, 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: so much to my heart. I wrote a book about it. 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: My book's called Against the Grain. By the way, shameless plug, Alex, 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: I can't believe you uable on Amazon. Did you hear? 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 2: Actually Peter Muda Bozzi. This episode's not out yet, but 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: I think it's Tuesdays. He actually said against the I 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: like to go against the grain. During the interview. 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: I know I almost said I wrote a book about it, 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: but I left it alone. But I did write a 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: book about leadership and other ponderables, and if you want it, 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: you can get it at tri Amazon stores, called Against 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: the Grain. But today we're going to talk about America's 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: leadership crisis. Right after these messages from our general sponsors, everybody, 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: welcome back. America's leadership crisis. US News and Rord Report 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: just released a new public opinion survey, and the article 19 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: about it is titled new poll Americans say the US 20 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: is in a leadership crisis. I know I'm going to 21 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: like all this content, Alex, but the titles like duh, 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: new poll Americans say the US and leadership crist Yes. Really, 23 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: I mean nobody approves of anything. But we're going to 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: dig into that point. 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: Some of the results will help crystallize it. 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I say it all the time. I think 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: we even open our show with it. But here we go. 28 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: The article reads from the White House to the courthouse. 29 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: I would say from the White House to the outhouse, 30 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: the emergency room, in the classroom. Americans are losing trusts 31 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: and institutions, illuminating leadership crisis across the United States. According 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: to a new survey by US News and World Report, 33 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: the disappointment is most acutely felt when it comes to 34 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: public service leaders. More than four or five adults guys, 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: that's eighty five percent say government officials and other community 36 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: leaders care more about their own power and influence than 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: what's best for the people they represent. We could queue 38 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: the way an army of normal folks opens up every 39 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: single show right now if we wanted to. The distrust 40 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: and disenchantment permeates other major sectors of society as well, 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: with seventy three percent disappointed in healthcare leaders, seventy two 42 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: percent disappointed in business leaders, and sixty eight in education leaders. 43 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: Politicians overwhelmingly come to mind when first Americans are asked 44 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: about leaders, but those survey had little positive to say. 45 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: The public related political leaders trustworthiness among the lowest of 46 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: any leader group at thirty one percent, and seventy five 47 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: percent say they have too much power. The vast majority 48 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: eighty seven percent said there's a leadership crisis in public service, 49 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: above the rates for health care seventy nine percent, education 50 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: seventy nine percent, business seventy two percent. Across the public 51 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: service sector, which includes politicians, eighty five percent, respondents said 52 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: that leaders care more about their own power and influence 53 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: than what's best for the people they serve. And the 54 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: latest survey confidence in specific public institutions ranges as two 55 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: thirds of the public trust the Supreme Court to act 56 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: in the best interests of the American public, only two 57 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: thirds yaw that's a non partisan body, and only sixty 58 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: six percent trust the Supreme Court to act in the 59 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: best interests in the American public. Less than half the 60 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: respondents said that the same of the Trump administration forty 61 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: seven percent, and by the way, fortybody gets weird about that. 62 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: I've looked this up, but less than half respondents said 63 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: in the same of the Trump administration forty seven percent, 64 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: or Republicans in Congress forty seven percent, who are now 65 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: in the midst of summer recess. Democrats in Congress didn't 66 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: fare much better fifty two percent. The leadership void isn't 67 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: helped by the fact that most Americans don't aspire to 68 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: follow in their leaders footsteps. More than three and five 69 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: say they don't see leaders today in any sect, in 70 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: any sector whom they aspired to emulate. Before I go 71 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: to one of my solutions, I do want to just 72 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: note that the Trump administration of forty seven percent. I 73 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: looked it up, and in the last eight administrations after 74 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: their first year in the White House, given Republican or Democrat, 75 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: no president has ever enjoyed an approval rating over forty 76 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: nine percent, not one, not one. So sure the current administration, 77 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: and I'm not taking up for Trump. I'm just saying 78 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: the current administration at forty seven percent. Don't think, oh, well, 79 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: that's because it's Trump. No, that's pretty much how it's 80 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: gone for the last forty years. 81 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: That's actually pretty high. A lot of presidents have been 82 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 2: at thirty nine and forty. 83 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: It's true. It's it's absolutely true, which is almost surprising 84 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: that it's forty seven percent. The point is, just like 85 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: we talk about when we open every army normal folks, 86 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: is that there is a leadership void, and we believe 87 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: the answer is an army in normal folks. Well, one 88 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: solution I wrote about it actually got picked up as 89 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: an op ed in just this week, didn't it? 90 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Monday, Yeah. 91 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: Monday, And it got printed in the local newspaper, the 92 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: Commercial Appeal. It's titled we need an army of normal 93 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: leaders like the Grunt Padre. Here's what it says. In 94 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: our toxic era of controversial and out of touch leaders, 95 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: there's something incredibly refreshing about having a seemingly normal leader 96 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: like Pope Leo the fourteenth, who loves normal things like 97 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: the Chicago White Sox and is known for his humility. 98 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: A friend of mine was deeply impacted by another priest, 99 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: so normal that he was known as the grunt Padre. 100 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: Father Vincent Cappadano's nickname was well earned. Father Vincent requested 101 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 1: to join the Marines in the Vietnam War. He joined 102 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: his many men in every aspect of life, from spoking 103 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: cigarette's playing blackjack to living with them and hearing their 104 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,239 Speaker 1: confessions while sitting on empty AMMO boxes. He even joined 105 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: them in the field, which is something I remember reading. 106 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: No other chaplains did, but I think maybe a couple did. 107 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: But for the most part, chaplains would not join people 108 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: in the field, and he did. On September fourth, nineteen 109 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: sixty seven, he joined them in a treacherous battle known 110 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: as Operations Swift. This thing claimed the lives of one 111 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seven marines. Father Vincent spent the battle 112 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: under heavy fire, sustaining multiple wounds from gunshots and a mortarshell, 113 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: while saving the lives of men and comfortinging them when 114 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: they died. The grunt Padre paid the ultimate sacrifice when 115 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: he was shot twenty seven times in the back and 116 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: died on the battle filled with his marines. To this day, 117 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: he is one of only four priests received the Medal 118 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: of Honor. One man who was later in impacted by 119 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: reading about Father Vincent. I guess a missionary doesn't stop 120 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: working even after he dies, does he? That was certainly 121 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: true in the life of one of his men. My friend, 122 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: and I say my friend with all respect. He was 123 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: more of a mentor than anything. But he once called 124 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: me his friend, so I get to call him my friend, 125 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: my friend. Lieutenant Frederick Smith, you all made know him 126 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: better as Fred Smith, the founder and CEO of FedEx, 127 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: who recently passed away. Actually now was chairman of the 128 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: board when he passed, but very recently Fred Smith the 129 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: founder of fed Ex. Fred first met Grunt Padre at 130 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: a late night poker game, telling the National Catholic Register 131 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: that Father Vincent was a heck of a gambler and 132 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: he used to lift a lot of money off people 133 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: in poker games, but he always gave it away to 134 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: someone in need. Smith was better than him at one thing, 135 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: recalling that Father Vincent used to go out at night, 136 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: go out at night to take a smoke, something that 137 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: was really forbidden by the military to do because of 138 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: the presence of the enemy. So I showed him how 139 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: to poke a couple holes in a sea ration cardboard box, 140 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: light a cigarette and then slip his head into the 141 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: box under his poncho and smoke to his heart's content. 142 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: Father Vincent's normal ax of connecting with his men and 143 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: eventually saving several of their lives. Foster to love and 144 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: an admiration for him. Years after his death, Fred once said, 145 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: words can't adequately describe my feelings about Father Cappodanno. I 146 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: love Father Smith, the old Cappodano's biographer, that father's example 147 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: inspired him to re engage with his faith and to 148 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: take the rest of found fight X. In fact, the 149 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: priest spent so much to the billionaire that he visited 150 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: his Stadin Alan grave countless times, even taking his children 151 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: with him on minyute occasions. That's the profound impact that 152 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: a normal leader can have. We need an army of 153 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: normal leaders. I am. I think about father Kappandano as 154 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: just this normal guy who's a father who led. But 155 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: again the way he led, y'all was service. He served 156 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: in order to lead. I believe when we talk about 157 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: these numbers that the world what is it news report? 158 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: What's it called the Yeah? 159 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: All those numbers that honest, we've talked about. I mean, 160 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: these are not new surveys. It's it's not because the 161 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: leaders are necessarily awful people or don't wear the right 162 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: clothes or whatever is. We don't see them serving others 163 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: in order to lead. And the greatest leaders of our time, 164 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: the most revered people of our time always serve in 165 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: order to lead. They don't sit on some mountaintop exalted. 166 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: They get down to the dirt. They work, They act 167 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: like normal people. They have humility, and they serve, and 168 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: in doing so they lead, and in doing so they inspire, 169 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: and in doing so they are revered. I think the 170 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: solutions to our Christ's the leadership in America are really 171 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: really simple. Serve, serf, find your passion, couple it with 172 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: your abilities, and let that passion and ability collide at 173 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: an opportunity to serve and make your corner of the 174 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: world a little better place. And in doing so you 175 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: become a part of the army of normal folks and 176 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: a steadfast servant lead that can change these very numbers 177 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 1: that we continue to hear about our quote leaders in 178 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: sidey today. And I think Father Cappodano is a beautiful 179 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: example because without his service, without his leadership, Fred Smith 180 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: may have never made it back from Vietnam. And Fred 181 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: Smith admittedly said before he died, if it wasn't for 182 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: the Father, I would have never found my way back 183 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: to my faith and maybe not have had even the 184 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: courage to have even started FedEx. So that little bit 185 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: of service that father Capagano gave in Vietnam by just 186 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: being a normal grunt padre seeing an area of need 187 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: and filling it. You know, the world changed because of 188 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: FedEx and the thought that it might not have even happened, 189 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: because the founder of it might not have even had 190 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: the courage and the faith to do it had it 191 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: not been for the impact that his father had on him. 192 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: Is us a glaring example of what a normal person 193 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: can do and the legacy and effect of that engagement. 194 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: So yes, we have a perception of an absence of 195 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: leadership in our society today, but I think the perception 196 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: is wrong. The problem is the focus is not on 197 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: where will leadership is happening, and that focus should be 198 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: on an army normal folks and each of you doing 199 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: which you can. Every day. We need two million grunt 200 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: padres run around, serving and leading and then not only 201 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: well these numbers about perception of leadership and our society change, 202 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: but society itself will change as well. 203 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: One of those numbers a good change too, is have 204 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: you caught the part where it said they ask people 205 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: who comes first in mind for the title leaders, and 206 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: people said politicians. Yeah, so I for really successful in this. 207 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: People will not say politicians is the first thing they 208 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: come to mind when they say leaders. 209 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: That's a really good point. And I did catch it 210 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: when I read it, and I hadn't commented on it, 211 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: But that's a great point. Ironically enough, you're supposed to 212 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: go to Washington to serve your constituents. You're supposed to 213 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: go to Washington to serve the people in your district 214 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: if you're a house member, or the people in your 215 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: state if you're senator, or obviously every American is your president. 216 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: And the perception that the service is selfish and for 217 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: oneself rather than for the very people they sent to serve. 218 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: But they are still seen as leaders. That whole perception 219 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: is wrong too. We have to look at it differently, 220 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: we have to approach it differently. And I just still 221 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: remain steadfast to my belief that the only way to 222 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: fix this is an army normal folks engaging changing the narrative, 223 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: changing the perception, and changing culture. 224 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: One more thing that I think the idea of being 225 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: normal is interesting too, so like Capodano's example of smoking 226 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: with them, playing poker with them, and obviously doesn't have 227 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: to be those two two things. Like Pope John Paul 228 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: the second, before he was pope, he would go hiking 229 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: with young people, he would go skiing with young people. 230 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: Even my priest, who listens to a decent number of 231 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: the shop talks. He plays pick a ball at the college. 232 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: Students at old miss like be normal, be willing to 233 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: be one among the people and not have yourself separate 234 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: from them. 235 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: Well, and listen along those lines. Briefly, we struggled when 236 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: titling this whole show at the beginning, the word normal. 237 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: You know what is normal? Maybe the world to have 238 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: an army of common folks and every army of average folks, 239 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: and I have whatever. But normal is what rolled out 240 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: of my mouth the first time we talked about it, 241 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: and we went with normal, and y'all, normal is also 242 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: a perspective. What we're saying with normal is just doing 243 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: what the average person does, just being a just an average, 244 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: common whatever person. And the point is an army of 245 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: those people serving one another is what can change the world. 246 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: And Coppodano is the example of that. And just like 247 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: what Alex said, that's that's the approach, is be common, 248 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: be obviously, ironically, by being common as a leader, you 249 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: become uncommon, if that makes any sense at all. 250 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: Your consistency is the uncommon part. 251 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, yeah, all right, So that's it. An 252 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: army of normal folks is looking for members every day, 253 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: people like father Cappadano, and who knows, maybe your service 254 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: will inspire someone to create the next Fortune fifty company 255 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: that changes the world. 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