Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted, the Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch
Speaker 1: hosted by me Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen,
Speaker 1: and my real life daughter Emerson Tenney.
Speaker 2: Each week, we continue our rewatch of Desperate Housewives and
Speaker 2: discuss all the fascinating topics inspired by this incredible show.
Speaker 3: This week is such a good one.
Speaker 4: It's such a good one.
Speaker 3: Let's dive into episode six, Running to stand Still, which
Speaker 3: aired on November seventh, two thousand and four.
Speaker 5: What a jam packed hour. In this episode, the tension
Speaker 5: between Gabrielle and her mother in law hits a new
Speaker 5: high or low, depending on how you look at it.
Speaker 2: Oh my, it does go low, and Lynette finds herself
Speaker 2: taking some pretty extreme measures to live up to the
Speaker 2: elusive task of being a mom who is trying to
Speaker 2: do it all.
Speaker 3: Susan and Julie sneak into a juvenile mental health facility
Speaker 3: as one does, yes, you know, casual, and we get
Speaker 3: a very sexually charged storyline from Brie which features a
Speaker 3: pretty iconic burrito.
Speaker 5: And yeah, we are gonna get more on that burrito later.
Speaker 4: Yes we are.
Speaker 5: We definitely are.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we like to start our episode by hearing
Speaker 2: each other's most desperate moment. Our most favorite desperate moment, Andrea.
Speaker 3: Mine, I would say is Lynette taking her kid's add
Speaker 3: medication to finish the costumes for the school play.
Speaker 4: That is bad.
Speaker 2: Although as the only actual mother of the three of us,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, well, I never did that.
Speaker 4: It is totally relatable.
Speaker 5: I feel like my most desperate moment has to be
Speaker 5: Gabby dropping her mother in law off at a casino
Speaker 5: to go into crippling debt fueled by her gambling addiction,
Speaker 5: just to cover up an affair with a minor. She
Speaker 5: is a pretty.
Speaker 4: Rough mother in law.
Speaker 2: I mean, I you know, she may deserve it, and
Speaker 2: it is a very complicated situation. Okay, Well Mine and
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is desperate because it's it's
Speaker 2: also rave, and also she's glorious looking. But I found
Speaker 2: the fact that Brie put on this unbelievably sexy red
Speaker 2: underwear lingerie with a mink fur coat over it and
Speaker 2: shows up at her husband's hotel room desperate to basically
Speaker 2: get him to fuck her.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I felt like that was that was that was a
Speaker 2: bottomed out moment. But although also an iconic one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the motel made that worse the hotel
Speaker 3: room itself, the motel. Okay, well, we clearly have so
Speaker 3: much more to explore here, so let's get into episode six.
Speaker 5: Yes, oh my gosh, running to Standstill, which actually is
Speaker 5: one of the few other non son time lyric episodes.
Speaker 5: This is named after a U two song. Oh okay,
Speaker 5: very of the era.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Mark Cherry is a big you two
Speaker 2: fano another thing we have to ask him.
Speaker 4: You need to keep a scorecard of that.
Speaker 2: Also, I find this episode amazing, as they all are.
Speaker 2: I think the battle that Gabby is having with her
Speaker 2: mother in law mother in law is just epic. And
Speaker 2: Brie and Rex and you know, the continuing dissolution of
Speaker 2: the positivity of their marriage is very interesting to look at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we started this episode with a garage sale,
Speaker 3: a yard sale, which I.
Speaker 5: Just have to say, My mom is a huge fan
Speaker 5: of yard sales. The second I saw Susan in a
Speaker 5: yard sale, I was like, Okay, she wasn't trying too hard.
Speaker 3: Terry, are you a fan of having yard sales or
Speaker 3: going to yards sales?
Speaker 5: Going two yards? Ye?
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, you know, I know, when my parents
Speaker 2: moved out of the home that I grew up in
Speaker 2: and they lived in.
Speaker 4: For forty years, they had a garage.
Speaker 2: Sale and I helped them, you know, like T shirts
Speaker 2: for a quarter on the lawn, that kind of yard sale.
Speaker 2: And I've had a yard sale back when maybe I
Speaker 2: was pregnant with you or maybe you were just born.
Speaker 2: But I had a yard sale out in Shadow Hills
Speaker 2: where I used to live in Los Angeles, and the
Speaker 2: pop Rozzi came and it ended up in those days
Speaker 2: it was the National Choir that was the big tabloid magazine,
Speaker 2: and it was like some sort of horrible how pathetic
Speaker 2: is she that she has to have a garage And
Speaker 2: I like it maybe look like a total loser that
Speaker 2: I had a garage sale, And I was like, garage
Speaker 2: sales are fun, reuse, repurpose.
Speaker 5: You know. I have so many memories of going to
Speaker 5: garage sales. I remember my mom and I we would
Speaker 5: drive around LA on the weekends and sometimes we would
Speaker 5: see in a state sale sign and it would be
Speaker 5: the most exciting thing ever and we'd go and we'd
Speaker 5: follow it. And I mean at the time, I was
Speaker 5: a kid, so I was always looking for like vintage
Speaker 5: figurines or anything equestrian related. Yeah, but I still I.
Speaker 2: Tell you them sometimes as well. First of all, I
Speaker 2: was going to use set a state sale. I do
Speaker 2: think this is something I give very hung up on.
Speaker 2: Like you get to somebody's estate sale and you're like, uh,
Speaker 2: this is a yard sale. This is the yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: misleading advertising. I'm just saying anyway, But sometimes I don't
Speaker 2: buy anything. Sometimes I'm just so curious about other people's lives,
Speaker 2: which I guess leads.
Speaker 4: Us really right into the show.
Speaker 3: I do have one very quick, wonderful garage sale story experience. Okay,
Speaker 3: so we were having a garage sale, estate sale. I
Speaker 3: don't know, we were selling a lot. I have a
Speaker 3: large family. There's always a lot to sell anyway, and
Speaker 3: a woman came over to me holding a pair of
Speaker 3: very cute high heels that we had been mine, and
Speaker 3: she asked me if I had them in another size.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's not a store, I was, lady.
Speaker 3: This is a yard sale, not Bloomingdale's.
Speaker 2: But oh my gosh, that's so funny, you know, and
Speaker 2: it just made me think. Actually, one other personal story
Speaker 2: there was a while I don't know if you remember
Speaker 2: this when I was doing the celebrity yard sale to
Speaker 2: benefit at the Juvenile Arthritis, and I did one at
Speaker 2: the Americana, I did one at our house, and I
Speaker 2: would get different celebrities to donate their stuff and all
Speaker 2: the money went to Juvenile Arthritis, which which I was
Speaker 2: I was a what do you call it when you spokesperson? Yes,
Speaker 2: I guess, and that was kind of through Children's Hospital
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, which I still work with. But anyways, Yes,
Speaker 2: so people seem to be very generous with their used goods.
Speaker 5: Yes, well, and so is Paul.
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know if he's generous or he
Speaker 2: just wasn't get rid of.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's currently offloading, which leads to Susan buying it's
Speaker 5: a crystal bowl, crystal of oz. But what he wraps
Speaker 5: it in is even more important. That's going to come
Speaker 5: back later, that yellow blanket. Yes, And I love that
Speaker 5: Susan is snooping around and asks about his swollen lip
Speaker 5: and how he got it, and he goes the regular
Speaker 5: way for asking too many questions. Right, Yeah, he is
Speaker 5: just such a good villain, he really is.
Speaker 3: And he only is getting more villainous, you know, which
Speaker 3: I kind of didn't remember, and obviously Mark Moses is
Speaker 3: not like that. But yeah, it's he's he's sneaky this episode,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: I think it's coming from some I mean, I mean
Speaker 2: this is interesting to him. We'll be interesting as we
Speaker 2: get to talk to some of these people. You know,
Speaker 2: sometimes in the arc of a series like this, I
Speaker 2: don't even think the writers know where they're going. You know,
Speaker 2: there might be some general direction, but they don't really
Speaker 2: necessarily always get it all.
Speaker 4: Planned out right.
Speaker 2: And I feel like for an actor like Mark, for
Speaker 2: any good actor, if the writers aren't able to tell
Speaker 2: you the story, like why is he behaving this way?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 5: What is he.
Speaker 2: Digging out of the pool? Maybe the writers don't actually
Speaker 2: know yet. They just it's a cool scene to have
Speaker 2: him digging out of the pool, but like, maybe they
Speaker 2: haven't executed that thought yet. And as the actor, you
Speaker 2: have to make it up for yourself otherwise, even if
Speaker 2: it's wrong, you got to make up something otherwise it's
Speaker 2: not grounded in anything. So it's interesting to see these
Speaker 2: guys do their performances as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we also got a great guest star this week
Speaker 3: in Sharon moranch who plays the unlikable irritating Mazie Gibbons,
Speaker 3: but she plays her so well those as Yes, but she.
Speaker 4: Does yeah at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So she and Lynette really butt horns this
Speaker 3: episode as Lynette is trying to get settled in the
Speaker 3: new school with the twins, and I thought this was
Speaker 3: a really interesting storyline. I'm excited to discuss it with
Speaker 3: you guys about the rewriting of Little Red Riding Hood. Yes,
Speaker 3: because it feels topical as this show we continue to discover,
Speaker 3: continues to feel so topical these days and relevant still
Speaker 3: that someone is suggesting an edit or a rewrite of
Speaker 3: a children's story to make it more palatable for the children.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that Yeah.
Speaker 5: I took note of this too, that this felt like
Speaker 5: a very early idea of what isically correct speaking, and
Speaker 5: I continue to fall, I mean, especially these days, on
Speaker 5: the side of we can't be censoring what books are
Speaker 5: taught in schools, what makes certain people uncomfortable. But it
Speaker 5: was interesting to see in two thousand and four a
Speaker 5: character like Lynnette bringing up a.
Speaker 2: Pushback, a push on somebody trying to nice, nice everything, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and pointing out.
Speaker 5: So well that it doesn't make any sense that the
Speaker 5: literal big bad Wolf is gonna not be big and
Speaker 5: bad because then what is little red riding hood working against?
Speaker 5: What is the adversity? What does the huntsman do? I mean,
Speaker 5: I think she dissects that really well. But it also
Speaker 5: made me laugh about just the politics of PTA in schools.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mom, did you ever deal with that?
Speaker 5: I mean, did the closest.
Speaker 2: I get to that, which is not really PTA, but
Speaker 2: it is an example of it's hilarious I think is
Speaker 2: that I used to have.
Speaker 4: These big Easter parties.
Speaker 2: I threw a lot of parties, but I still do.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 2: But the Easter parties were giant picnics. I think I'm
Speaker 2: not exaggerate to say that I hid over five hundred
Speaker 2: of those little plastic eggs that break in half and
Speaker 2: you put like candy or toys or whatever, and then and.
Speaker 4: The whole there would be like a petting zoo. I mean,
Speaker 4: it was a whole.
Speaker 5: I think we actually ended up with a cat.
Speaker 4: We did cat tracks.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Sometimes people, some of the moms would bring food
Speaker 2: to put up, almost in a potlux sort of way,
Speaker 2: And this one woman brought a cheesecake, and this cheesecake
Speaker 2: was truly one of the best cheesecakes.
Speaker 5: I've know which woman you're talking about. Amazing baker is.
Speaker 4: An amazing baker. It's true.
Speaker 2: And so I said to her, I go, you know,
Speaker 2: this is really the best cheesecake I've ever had. Do
Speaker 2: you think would you share the recipe with me? And
Speaker 2: she said no, I cannot, And I was like, oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, just seeing all right. But then she tops
Speaker 2: it and this is what kind of reminds me of Mazie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she goes, she goes, what and even if I did,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be able to make it?
Speaker 3: Oh wow? One two Puna.
Speaker 2: I was not involved really in that kind of PTA issue,
Speaker 2: per se. I feel like that touches the same mothers
Speaker 2: of students and they're all like protecting their turf and their.
Speaker 3: That feels generational way too, because now we have a
Speaker 3: term all over the internet about this, which is gatekeeping,
Speaker 3: you know, and people just don't gatekeep or they don't
Speaker 3: consider gatekeeping a good thing.
Speaker 4: So she was gate gaping the cheesecake.
Speaker 3: Plus it was probably the cheesecake recipie on the back
Speaker 3: of Philadelphia or the cream face.
Speaker 5: So I don't know, she's a very good does it
Speaker 5: makes me. Think about the conversation that the women have
Speaker 5: when they get together to play cards, when they talk
Speaker 5: about how men and in fight, Yeah, like the different
Speaker 5: ways and this cheesecake comment, just like the PTA. And
Speaker 5: later when Lynnette does, you know, prevail on not changing
Speaker 5: little Red riding hood, but then get saddled with having
Speaker 5: to make all of these costumes and she kind of
Speaker 5: gets that snide look from the PTA queen mom who says,
Speaker 5: you know, oh, I'm sure you're not going to be
Speaker 5: able to pull off making all those costumes. You know,
Speaker 5: even if I gave you the recipe to the cheesecake,
Speaker 5: you wouldn't be able to make it, right. I think
Speaker 5: that is the difference between how men and women fight.
Speaker 5: Men will go punch someone in the face and then
Speaker 5: it's over, and women will repeatedly knife you with comments
Speaker 5: until your self esteem is entirely destroyed, and you think
Speaker 5: about it twenty years later.
Speaker 4: You think that's really true. I guess it really is.
Speaker 4: I don't want it to be true. I want you.
Speaker 2: Hear so much about women supporting women, and I sometimes
Speaker 2: they do, and I know in my life, I mean,
Speaker 2: we're three women, we're all supporting each other.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you know.
Speaker 2: I I'm a champion of that, have so many women
Speaker 2: in my life, and but you do. Still it's a
Speaker 2: stereotype for a reason that there is this you know,
Speaker 2: actually it is. I heard some you know, some of
Speaker 2: the variety or like Hollywood Reporter, they have these like
Speaker 2: round tables of Emmy nominated actresses. I love those, I
Speaker 2: do too, and they I don't remember exactly who it was,
Speaker 2: but it was kind of in the last recent years,
Speaker 2: and so some set.
Speaker 4: Of really fabulous actresses.
Speaker 2: Again I'm not gonna remember exactly who it was, but
Speaker 2: one of them I do remember, talked about they must
Speaker 2: have been older, because they talked about how the way
Speaker 2: women are supportive of each other now is not the
Speaker 2: way it was like twenty or.
Speaker 4: Thirty years ago, and maybe it was.
Speaker 2: And I think they were making the point that the
Speaker 2: studio didn't foster like it was not in the studio's
Speaker 2: interests right for everybody to be supporting each other, for
Speaker 2: the women to be connecting and empowering each other, and
Speaker 2: obviously it's almost unionization in a way. It's you can
Speaker 2: see that somebody would not benefit from all the women.
Speaker 3: Camaraderie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw a clip recently kind
Speaker 3: of piggybacking on that, which was I think it was
Speaker 3: a few years ago, and it was at I want
Speaker 3: to say, the Emmys, and it was when all of
Speaker 3: the nominees for Best Lead Actors in a Comedy all
Speaker 3: when as soon as their names were announced, just as
Speaker 3: being nominated, they walked right up on stage. It was
Speaker 3: Amy Puller, she walked right up, and then Melisa McCarthy
Speaker 3: and she walked right up, and then you know, eighty
Speaker 3: Falco walked right up, and they kept doing this and
Speaker 3: then they stood on stage together and then the winner
Speaker 3: was announced and they all hugged her. It was Melissa
Speaker 3: McCarthy that year, and they all just surrounded her and
Speaker 3: hugged her, and she looked very shocked, but it was
Speaker 3: so moving. I think I got to hear that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I don't remember seeing that in
Speaker 3: real time, but anyway, I did think that this was
Speaker 3: also a very interesting theme in this episode, and I
Speaker 3: wonder as we go exploring the show more, the types
Speaker 3: of conflicts we will witness between the housewives and how
Speaker 3: they resolve their conflicts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think this is also a big turning
Speaker 5: point for Lynette's character, I feel like her children getting
Speaker 5: into which also where's the baby? But her two children
Speaker 5: getting into this new school. I feel like we start
Speaker 5: to see her identity shift to trying to We don't
Speaker 5: really see her feel competitive with the other women on
Speaker 5: the block. Maybe there's a comment, oh, she's not as
Speaker 5: perfect as bree Vandicamp, but then again, like who is?
Speaker 5: But I kind of see her start to get competitive
Speaker 5: with the other women she suddenly faced as moms in
Speaker 5: the school. I'm going, Okay, if I'm not a working
Speaker 5: mom anymore, if I'm a stay at home mom, how
Speaker 5: do I compete with these other parents who are you know,
Speaker 5: perform whatever it means to perform well as a stay
Speaker 5: at home mom. Yeah, and of course you know she
Speaker 5: it leads her to to drugs.
Speaker 3: Right right, because the question of how do how does
Speaker 3: one do it all? Is often the answer is there's
Speaker 3: they can't they can't write, and so there's usually something
Speaker 3: behind the scenes helping you. And in this in this episode,
Speaker 3: we will find out that one of the other moms
Speaker 3: is using her child's out all yes, her children's add medication,
Speaker 3: and Lynette sort of considers it and ultimately ends up
Speaker 3: succoming as she then has that line when she looks
Speaker 3: at herself in the mirror and her eyes are all
Speaker 3: dilated and Lynette says, oh, what big eyes you have?
Speaker 4: Who Yeah, tie.
Speaker 3: Us right back in the little red riding hood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of good lines. So then we have still
Speaker 2: we've got Gabby having her whole exposure of her affair
Speaker 2: getting more and more stressful. And there was a scene
Speaker 2: where she actually does even does the most perfect spit take.
Speaker 5: But I could.
Speaker 2: Have done a spit take while I was watching the
Speaker 2: show if I had been drinking something, because that's how
Speaker 2: brilliant it is. But she uh says that, I guess,
Speaker 2: I guess No. Bree says, both John and Danielle are
Speaker 2: in the Abstinence Club and you see Yavvy just do
Speaker 2: this fit take in front of her mother in law.
Speaker 5: This is at the poker game, which then.
Speaker 3: Yes, before yes, I wonder if Eva practiced. I feel like,
Speaker 3: there have you ever had to do a spit take, Terry,
Speaker 3: I have, I have.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I did it in this show,
Speaker 2: I have this whole series, right, but I definitely have
Speaker 2: in my career.
Speaker 3: I just think it's such a great gag. When someone
Speaker 3: nails it, and I would feel so much pressure to
Speaker 3: try to do it justice and I wonder if it
Speaker 3: was a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did also notice in this episode that John only
Speaker 3: calls Gabrielle mississles and I did, as we are continued
Speaker 3: to be fascinated by this dynamic playing out in front
Speaker 3: of us. I did note that, you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: so funny and cringey that he only ever calls her
Speaker 3: missus Elise and she never yeah, yeah, never said I
Speaker 3: think she's into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she must be.
Speaker 5: Yeah wait, speaking of being into it, but okay, moving
Speaker 5: into it. Before the women sit down to play poker,
Speaker 5: and then we have the other missus Sole swindle them
Speaker 5: all out of their money because she's such a card shark.
Speaker 5: We have Brie and Rex back in their therapist's office
Speaker 5: and Rex suggests, and I was like, wait, is this
Speaker 5: a Y two K thing I don't know about? And
Speaker 5: now we're just calling it something else in today's age?
Speaker 5: He suggests getting a sexual surrogate, and I is this
Speaker 5: is this helped me understand? Is this like a three?
Speaker 3: So I can't help you because I also wrote down
Speaker 3: what is a sexual surrogate.
Speaker 2: But I actually think that there may be medical intes procedures.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I don't know, like.
Speaker 2: In a loving relationship, and we were not able to
Speaker 2: make that part of our relationship work. And I really
Speaker 2: love this person. I don't know that I would be
Speaker 2: opposed to having somebody teach me. I mean once, okay,
Speaker 2: when I was no, No, when I was twenty, I
Speaker 2: think I had like some girlfriend teach me how to
Speaker 2: give a blowjob on a beer bottle.
Speaker 3: A beer bottle.
Speaker 2: Wow, that makes sense, I guess, but it's so. And
Speaker 2: there was a lot of discussion about the rim and
Speaker 2: what you were supposed to focus on, and there was
Speaker 2: also some conversation about your hand and how it was
Speaker 2: supposed to sort of twist and not just go straight
Speaker 2: up and down.
Speaker 3: Okay, it was a very detailed and she was your
Speaker 3: sexual Surguy.
Speaker 2: What she's going, oh my god about it is the
Speaker 2: fact that I don't remember what happened yesterday, but somehow
Speaker 2: I remember this beer model. So I so I'm just
Speaker 2: saying I that was just between girlfriends, right, And.
Speaker 3: That's every man's fantasy, having that conversation with beer involved.
Speaker 5: It's of course, this is you.
Speaker 2: And the other thing I did was I showed you
Speaker 2: how to put a condom on a banana.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, we're straying far away, Okay from the sexual
Speaker 5: we're talking.
Speaker 4: About teaching about sexual things. Yeah, that far away, but.
Speaker 3: Similar a similar shape to ever come back a similar shape.
Speaker 3: You're like, I survived it the first time.
Speaker 5: I'm I don't need that lesson anymore.
Speaker 3: There was a phallic structure in this scene that is
Speaker 3: never addressed that Marcia as Brie is stroking at the
Speaker 3: beginning of this scene, and it's never talked about what
Speaker 3: it's this horn shaped thing that's on that they doctor
Speaker 3: Boldin's side table, and I would the scene. At the
Speaker 3: top of the scene, she is just you can imagine,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do it, but she is rubbing this little.
Speaker 4: I did not even very like that.
Speaker 2: It's kind of falls into Remember another episode we Andrew
Speaker 2: and I were talking about, did either of us remember
Speaker 2: why Julie reached up and moved the food off of
Speaker 2: Susan's mouth. We deduced that it was our personal edition
Speaker 2: remember from the script, to like have some sort of
Speaker 2: deeper sense of how we behave as characters. And I
Speaker 2: have a feeling that Marcia maybe added this as almost
Speaker 2: like a subconscious thing of like, I mean, it would
Speaker 2: be curious to ask her.
Speaker 5: And I do.
Speaker 3: And the fact that it's happening in a therapist's office
Speaker 3: is just really great. And I do think it's another
Speaker 3: example of how strong the show's tone comes through, where
Speaker 3: that type of overt bodiness or you know, something that
Speaker 3: couldn't work on a show where the writing wasn't balanced.
Speaker 3: You might just not you might just find that kind
Speaker 3: of pushing it over the top. But I felt like
Speaker 3: it really played into the whole thing very well and
Speaker 3: was funny and cheeky, and it made sense because the
Speaker 3: rest of that storyline is pretty raw between Bri and
Speaker 3: Rex and they.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the point you're making, is it really
Speaker 2: it's kind of serious and that you know. When this
Speaker 2: show first was nominated for any awards, which is not
Speaker 2: too much after probably this episode aired, I think was
Speaker 2: the time awards seasons were starting to come up. I
Speaker 2: think it was a surprise a little bit to people
Speaker 2: that it fell in the comedy category. It's totally it's
Speaker 2: an hour long. Usually comedies are not an hour long show.
Speaker 2: Usually that almost automatically makes you a drama, a drama,
Speaker 2: but it was clearly so funny.
Speaker 4: That it could.
Speaker 2: It was isn't gonna be able to stand against an
Speaker 2: out and out like cop show drama, you know, the
Speaker 2: hospital kind of thing, right and rightly so it ended
Speaker 2: up in the comedy section, but it's it's also not
Speaker 2: a sitcom, you know. And and writing that that very
Speaker 2: fine line, I think they did extremely well, at least
Speaker 2: in the beginning.
Speaker 3: I do want to because we're talking about the Breeze stuff,
Speaker 3: I do want to include that my personal favorite line
Speaker 3: in this episode was a bree line, and it is
Speaker 3: when she is sitting at the lunch that she ends
Speaker 3: up having my line, Oh my gosh, im sending I
Speaker 3: have the same favorite line. And she has this moment
Speaker 3: where she kind of pleads with her therapist who she
Speaker 3: sees out at lunch, to turn it into an impromptu session,
Speaker 3: and he reluctantly gives in and she sits with him,
Speaker 3: and she brings up the sex stuff that keeps coming
Speaker 3: up in therapy sessions with Rex, and she says, after
Speaker 3: being accused of maybe that she doesn't like sex or
Speaker 3: that she's closed off and cold, she says this long
Speaker 3: paragraph about all of the various things she loves about sex,
Speaker 3: which is just divine and so amazing, and then she says,
Speaker 3: to be honest, the only thing I don't like about
Speaker 3: sex is the scrotum. I mean, it obviously has its
Speaker 3: practical applications, but I'm just not a fan who is Okay.
Speaker 5: I did write down also as my favorite line. I
Speaker 5: know you said we were gonna have the same favorite line,
Speaker 5: and I said, no, no, no, we're not. Mine is
Speaker 5: so obscure, there's no way we're gonna have the same
Speaker 5: favorite line. Well, we're both your daughter, oh obviously.
Speaker 3: And we're not fans of the scrotum evidently.
Speaker 5: Well, definitely not for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my husband af there. Okay. I think we've found
Speaker 3: out that the actor playing doctor Goldfine is the nephew
Speaker 3: of Christopher Lloyd, the actor Christopher. And now that I'm
Speaker 3: rewatching this, I think about that and I totally see it.
Speaker 3: And he's doing such a great job as well. And
Speaker 3: at the end of that scene, the server comes over
Speaker 3: and she had just delivered that monologue about sex, and
Speaker 3: he says another great moment, which is he says, can
Speaker 3: I get you anything? And he says, just the check
Speaker 3: and the server says, you haven't ordered yet.
Speaker 4: She's like, I'm so uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: I need to get out of here, just so good.
Speaker 5: Well, so then we have the poker go into the
Speaker 5: poker game, which Gabby uses is an amazing opportunity to
Speaker 5: say that she's having diarrhea so she can sneak out
Speaker 5: the window and climb over a fence to get to
Speaker 5: John the gardener. And I loved that poker was the
Speaker 5: activity that these women get together to play, like a
Speaker 5: reason they all come together. I mean, my mom and
Speaker 5: I were part of an all women's poker league, very casual,
Speaker 5: but I do think it's something that has maybe typically
Speaker 5: thought of as being more masculine, and I really like
Speaker 5: to see that that, you know, it wasn't all just
Speaker 5: book club, although we do see that.
Speaker 3: Is this the first episode where we see the women
Speaker 3: gathering for poker?
Speaker 5: I feel like we've seen them alas time okay, right
Speaker 5: in a flashback with.
Speaker 3: Mary in a flashback? Yeah yeah, yes, but this is
Speaker 3: the first time with money.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And also like I kind of I'm loosely recalling like
Speaker 2: when this first came up and us as actual actresses,
Speaker 2: like who actually played poker and who didn't play poker,
Speaker 2: and I kind of feel like I maybe remember that
Speaker 2: Eva did. She's from Texas and Texas hold him and
Speaker 2: that makes sense, And I did because I grew up
Speaker 2: playing poker with the Hatcher plan, you know, since the
Speaker 2: time I could walk, and I think I think Felicity
Speaker 2: did too, So I feel like there was some familiarity
Speaker 2: to poker. But that was definitely Mark's call, like that
Speaker 2: was something he applied to the show, that poker was
Speaker 2: going to be a gathering point of these women, and
Speaker 2: it started in those first few episodes and it stayed
Speaker 2: for the entire run of the show.
Speaker 3: And I still have a Desperate Housewives poker table and
Speaker 3: personalized Desperate Housewives poker chips. I might have to bring
Speaker 3: them in sometime because it was a GI It was a.
Speaker 4: Wrap gift, yeah, from Mark for one season.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Actually feel like I.
Speaker 5: Vaguely remember seeing a case of those chips.
Speaker 4: Yep ye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but pretty cool.
Speaker 4: But poker's a good tool.
Speaker 2: It's a good tool to sit around a circle and
Speaker 2: have characters have discussion. But also, you know, there's some
Speaker 2: bluffing and bedding to it, you know, and it's.
Speaker 3: Math, and yeah, I mean it's a. It's it kind
Speaker 3: of tickles all the things I grew up playing Texas
Speaker 3: hold as well, and I haven't played in a long time.
Speaker 3: I know I haven't played in a long time because
Speaker 3: I did get weirded out how serious people get and
Speaker 3: at least in the circles and that I was playing in.
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, it's too intense for me. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna back, but maybe I should revisit as with my girlfriends. Maybe,
Speaker 3: Well it.
Speaker 5: Is, I mean, it is about who's bluffing, who's covering
Speaker 5: something up, Who can you trust speaking up, speaking.
Speaker 3: Bluffing and covering up, and who can you trust? Okay,
Speaker 3: So Susan comes up with an idea to sneak I
Speaker 3: follow borrow Ida Greenberg's car.
Speaker 5: Which is I made a note about driving a stick
Speaker 5: which you do know how to? Do you have a
Speaker 5: TR three?
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 2: I have a nineteen sixty TR three that is a
Speaker 2: stick shift. But I also grew up my first car.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even my car, it was my family's car.
Speaker 4: This is so sad.
Speaker 2: It was an orange Chevy Vega with a black stripe
Speaker 2: down the side that was a stick shift with no
Speaker 2: air conditioning and an eight track tape, man, am.
Speaker 5: I old, anything's very cool?
Speaker 2: Well, hi, And I learned to drive that, and I
Speaker 2: drove that car in San Francisco on streets like Lombard
Speaker 2: Street and you know, like up, straight up, straight down.
Speaker 2: So I do have that in my bag of tricks.
Speaker 2: And I ever rolled down.
Speaker 5: I'm seeing that Princess Diary scene when she can't get
Speaker 5: up the hill and she rolls down and she's crying.
Speaker 2: Oh I never that never happened to me, but it.
Speaker 2: But driving on those hills in San Francisco is quite
Speaker 2: a lot. The scariest part is when you kind of
Speaker 2: get to the top and you're like out of red
Speaker 2: light and you can't really see over you know, like
Speaker 2: yeah it's that kind of hill, and you're.
Speaker 3: Like you're gonna fall off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: It's uh anyways, So that's a good bag of trick
Speaker 2: as a bag to I mean trick to having your
Speaker 2: bag of tricks as an actor to be able to
Speaker 2: drive a stick And I was able to drive it,
Speaker 2: which means I was even able to not drive it,
Speaker 2: you know, like I know, when you know how something works, yes,
Speaker 2: you can make.
Speaker 3: It not work right, which Susan had to do.
Speaker 4: Which Susan had to do. So that was that was fun.
Speaker 3: So off you go, and you find out that Zach
Speaker 3: is being not with obscure relatives, as Paul had said,
Speaker 3: but actually is being held at some sort of mental
Speaker 3: facility for juvenile troubled youth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and not just off you go. Off you go
Speaker 5: with your daughter, who you send in to the rehabilitation.
Speaker 3: Just a brief aside about this. So I do remember
Speaker 3: two things very vividly, and then I not observed one
Speaker 3: more thing by watching. So the two things I remember
Speaker 3: is I remember the line where Susan says, when Julie questions,
Speaker 3: how can I blend in with these messed up kids?
Speaker 4: Ouch?
Speaker 3: But also Susan says, I don't know, Julie, pretend to
Speaker 3: be Bellie mcgag a little. And I kind of remember
Speaker 3: you flagging that or pushing back a little bit on that,
Speaker 3: or at least feeling like, how should Susan say that?
Speaker 3: You know, is it a throwaway thing? Or I don't
Speaker 3: remember all you have, but I think we had a
Speaker 3: chat about it because I think it was so good.
Speaker 2: So I didn't remember that, But now that you're saying that,
Speaker 2: it makes sense, because it makes sense.
Speaker 4: What flagged for me was wow, like that I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, I mean talk about the political correct thing
Speaker 2: and what you would and wouldn't say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this did not hold up the test of time
Speaker 5: in terms of how you would refer to adolescence in
Speaker 5: a mental health It's.
Speaker 2: It's just super I mean, it's extremely callous, I guess,
Speaker 2: just to as almost like a joke, say oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, do that. And so I imagine,
Speaker 2: as I was a mom of a seven year old
Speaker 2: at the time, I imagine that that maybe came up for me.
Speaker 2: But then you're doing a comedy and sometimes it's the
Speaker 2: right thing within there. But yeah, it sounds like we
Speaker 2: all sort of flagged it.
Speaker 5: I mean I wasn't you know, I didn't turn it off.
Speaker 5: It wasn't horrible, but I didn't even kind of chuckle
Speaker 5: at it. But I also went, you know, I wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I don't think I would choose to write that line
Speaker 5: in this scenario to day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The other thing I remembered was the scene that Julie
Speaker 3: has with Zach where she finds him and he's so
Speaker 3: zoned out because they have him up on all of
Speaker 3: these drugs. We don't know what they are, but he's medicated.
Speaker 3: And I remember filming that scene really well because it
Speaker 3: was the first scene that I had on the show
Speaker 3: that wasn't with Terry, that wasn't with Susan, And I
Speaker 3: think I was nervous, you know, because I had gotten
Speaker 3: so comfortable working with you and I we were enjoying
Speaker 3: that so much, and then it felt, I mean, it
Speaker 3: was exciting and nerve wracking to experience what it would
Speaker 3: be like to work with one of the other actors
Speaker 3: on the show. So I remember that. And then the
Speaker 3: last thing that I noticed about this whole little sequence
Speaker 3: that I happened to notice rewatching it, was why is
Speaker 3: Julie wearing flip flops on this jaunt to this center?
Speaker 2: Be guys, the Word of Department didn't have any clothes.
Speaker 2: So I used my own purse and my own necklaces
Speaker 2: and my own whatever.
Speaker 3: And I'm rock and flip flops sound Doug shout out
Speaker 3: to our to ourselves.
Speaker 2: And actually though I mean, and I'm not even I'm
Speaker 2: not even dogging the War Department.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's it really was.
Speaker 2: The show was a gigantic thing, yes, with a lot
Speaker 2: of character. There are so many moving parts. It's so
Speaker 2: many moving parts. And I do recall that it was
Speaker 2: kind of always at some level of last minuteness. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was because of when we
Speaker 2: got the scripts or you know, whatever, but it was
Speaker 2: it was always like, you know, hanging on You're just
Speaker 2: you're just hanging on you You're gonna get it, you know.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like you had luxurious amounts of time to
Speaker 2: make everything work. And think about it, and I would
Speaker 2: not be surprised if there were just no other shoes
Speaker 2: and there were just flip flops and they didn't And
Speaker 2: if you had said, do you have tennis shoes in
Speaker 2: the size nine, you would have been and they would
Speaker 2: have been. No.
Speaker 3: I would have been that woman at the yard sale
Speaker 3: at my yard sail asking for another size being shot down.
Speaker 3: So in this scene where Julie is questioning Zach, she
Speaker 3: has short on time. She's fearing like she's gonna get
Speaker 3: kicked out.
Speaker 5: But we do do a good job. You get racial information.
Speaker 3: Julie goes right in. She gets the nugget of information
Speaker 3: we need, which is that she asks him, you'd told
Speaker 3: Brie this thing about doing something bad. What were you
Speaker 3: talking about and he says that he has started remembering
Speaker 3: things since after his mom has passed, and one of
Speaker 3: those things is that he remembers someone named Dana. And
Speaker 3: that's this thing. This new part of our mystery involving
Speaker 3: Zach and Paul and the Young family is that we
Speaker 3: now have who is Dana to add into that mix.
Speaker 5: And the tension is really continuing to escalate on all
Speaker 5: fronts in the middle of this episode. So we have
Speaker 5: the investigation into Paul, we get the Dana name, and
Speaker 5: then we have Gabrielle learns that Juanita has a gambling
Speaker 5: problem and drops her off under the guise of going
Speaker 5: to a buffet at a casino, drops her off there
Speaker 5: where she starts to lose all of her money, which
Speaker 5: is going to come back at the end of the episode.
Speaker 5: And then we have Brie showing up to really confront
Speaker 5: Rex on the struggles in their marriage. And this is
Speaker 5: the scene that you would referenced earlier Mom where she
Speaker 5: shows up in that fabulous, fabulous code that honestly has
Speaker 5: no business being at a motel. She looks way too
Speaker 5: nice to be at some corner motel. And I loved
Speaker 5: this scene and I also really loved her final scene
Speaker 5: in this episode because I think both of them were
Speaker 5: really building blocks on I know we're calling it desperation,
Speaker 5: but I also think it's really brave.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say bravery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really brave to be So just tie her
Speaker 2: whole story together, because I really do think she puts herself.
Speaker 5: Out there in such a vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Way, in such a vuln I mean, can you imagine
Speaker 2: like standing in front of the person you love, all basically.
Speaker 5: Naked, who's saying they want to leave you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and almost more vulnerable than being naked,
Speaker 2: because when you wear lingerie, you're trying to say something, saying.
Speaker 5: That you tried you, yeah, try to be sexy.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, And then so not seen and so critically
Speaker 2: judged for this quirk that she has this control quirk,
Speaker 2: you could call it, right, I mean.
Speaker 3: The way she's zeros in on that it's so fixated
Speaker 3: and can't.
Speaker 2: She just can't let it go, and and it wins
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 5: And he has no empathy. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: you've never been about to have sex with someone and
Speaker 5: you notice something or your phone rings and it breaks
Speaker 5: the mood for a moment. But then you silence it,
Speaker 5: and then and then you get.
Speaker 3: Showing up because he's voicing the things he's dissatisfied with,
Speaker 3: and she is putting herself out there to try to
Speaker 3: bring them closer together. And this is something that he
Speaker 3: could recognize in her as something he just has to
Speaker 3: accept or offer understanding or curiosity about, and instead he
Speaker 3: just shuts it down.
Speaker 2: And this is why I think like that there's some
Speaker 2: level of this is why you have to you look deeper,
Speaker 2: like there's some level of insecurity. Like okay, so let's
Speaker 2: say her thing with the burrito made him lose his erection.
Speaker 2: I mean we don't that that doesn't get talked about,
Speaker 2: but like let's just assume like that is what happened.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, there's some insecurity going on with this
Speaker 2: character that we're not aware of yet, that that instead
Speaker 2: of admitting his own frailty, like you ruin the mood
Speaker 2: and now I don't have the power to get back
Speaker 2: in the mood, he just blames her and this is
Speaker 2: the thing, instead of taking any part of responsible.
Speaker 3: And it's so interesting that you have a quote unquote
Speaker 3: very buttoned up character as Breed, and people make these assumptions.
Speaker 3: In this episode, people being Rex and doctor goldfind about
Speaker 3: how she might be in the bedroom, and she is
Speaker 3: not that way. That's not where she's buttoned up. That's
Speaker 3: where she evidently let's lose.
Speaker 5: She used to drink out of the milk curtain, maybe her.
Speaker 3: Wild side, and she is very progressive SIV in her approach.
Speaker 3: And she confronts Rex back at their house and say,
Speaker 3: you know, while she's repairing that mug, that was a
Speaker 3: very poetic way.
Speaker 4: Of saying I love that line.
Speaker 2: I would rather repair something I have than get something new.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it was so powerful, beautiful, And then she
Speaker 3: confronts him and says, I've been thinking about it that
Speaker 3: I'm not the problem here.
Speaker 5: It's you.
Speaker 3: I'm willing, I'm here, I'm curious, I'm asking, and you're
Speaker 3: shutting down why And he's still he still won't go
Speaker 3: there with her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's almost waiting for her to have a moment
Speaker 5: like the burrito moment, so then he doesn't have to
Speaker 5: engage with her and he has something to blame it
Speaker 5: on other than saying, I mean, we don't know yet
Speaker 5: with the underlying I don't know because I haven't watched
Speaker 5: the show, but what his underlying reason is that he
Speaker 5: has such a hard time connecting with her. And I
Speaker 5: do think this idea of it's better to fix what
Speaker 5: you already have is really interesting. I'm curious what you like,
Speaker 5: Is it better or I mean, obviously there's different When
Speaker 5: is it better maybe to fix what you already have
Speaker 5: or when do you decide to throw in the towel
Speaker 5: on something, I mean, whether that's a relationship.
Speaker 2: It is a really good question. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 2: interesting that you you know, I mean that you would
Speaker 2: ask us that question as it reflects in our personal life.
Speaker 2: Because I was just also going to say about the
Speaker 2: character storyline. Yeah, that again, this is an incredibly deep, complicated,
Speaker 2: relatable issue between couples that is happening all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and here it is thrown in this sort of iconic
Speaker 2: comedy that some people might reflect back on and think, oh,
Speaker 2: that was a silly good show or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this is a this is meaningful. Again.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm just going to say, like Mark Cherry,
Speaker 2: you know, and your writing staff, like this was really
Speaker 2: amazing writing for television. Yeah, And I think television, obviously,
Speaker 2: in twenty years, continues to evolve, and there's amazing shows
Speaker 2: left and right that have examples of great writing. But
Speaker 2: it doesn't make this any less, ye, And I guess,
Speaker 2: you know, reflecting back, I mean, you know, I've been
Speaker 2: divorced from your dad for over twenty twenty five years.
Speaker 4: I guess we're at.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think in regards to your dad,
Speaker 2: like I've said this before, everything worked out the way
Speaker 2: it should. Like I'm so happy that he's happy and
Speaker 2: in his relationship and they're exactly what each other need.
Speaker 2: And there's you know, you can't go back. But your
Speaker 2: dad's a great person. And I wish that we both
Speaker 2: had had the tools to maybe repair it.
Speaker 4: But we didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean neither of us. You know, we didn't.
Speaker 2: We collectively didn't, and so and so. But I'm not
Speaker 2: saying I would rather it. I just it is interesting
Speaker 2: in hindsight. So I think what I'm saying of all
Speaker 2: of this says I might lean a little more into at.
Speaker 4: Least try to repair what you have before you get
Speaker 4: rid of it.
Speaker 2: But I'm not necessarily applying that to like my own life,
Speaker 2: because it is what it is. And you know, but
Speaker 2: I guess if I had to pick one I would say,
Speaker 2: lean the into that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that something that I found myself
Speaker 3: feeling watching this episode and watching Brie and Rex was man,
Speaker 3: it really feels like all of the effort is coming
Speaker 3: from Bri.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I am ready to see.
Speaker 3: Something from him, and if he's just done, then I
Speaker 3: guess he's just done. But it does feel like while
Speaker 3: they're still exploring and they're still in marriage counseling, I
Speaker 3: would like I would like some more from him. I'd
Speaker 3: like him to show us more.
Speaker 5: I agree, And I think maybe that is a time
Speaker 5: and freeze in the process of finding that of when
Speaker 5: you decide, okay, it's not worth repairing this, because it
Speaker 5: does take two people to repair something, whether that's a
Speaker 5: romantic relationship or friendship or working dynamic. You know, I
Speaker 5: think you both have to be showing up with that goal,
Speaker 5: and it's worth showing up with that goal, I think always.
Speaker 5: And then you also have to be able to acknowledge
Speaker 5: when somebody's just someone's not and.
Speaker 3: Maybe the repairing is not the relationship, but maybe the
Speaker 3: repairing is the relationship with herself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh so wise.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe that's where that comes in.
Speaker 4: Say that again, I like that.
Speaker 3: Maybe instead of the repairing being our marriage is fixed
Speaker 3: and we're going to stay together, the repair is I'm
Speaker 3: going to heal myself and recognize the parts of myself
Speaker 3: that I thought were broken, and I'm going to work
Speaker 3: on those instead of, you know, try to get rid
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 4: I like that. I love that for her.
Speaker 3: I like that too well.
Speaker 5: I think working on the parts of ourselves on the
Speaker 5: complete opposite end of the spectrum we have. Lynette asks,
Speaker 5: while trying to figure out why she is unable to
Speaker 5: sew these costumes and feels deficient, she asks her other
Speaker 5: mom in the group, not her.
Speaker 2: Advocary executing everything perfectly well.
Speaker 5: She goes, what's your secret? And it turns out she
Speaker 5: does have a secret, and the secret is adderall and
Speaker 5: and Lynette cracks and she takes it and starts down
Speaker 5: a slippery slope. And this made me. I mean, I
Speaker 5: love the storyline because I do think it is so relatable.
Speaker 5: And I'm not advocating for people taking ADHD medication that
Speaker 5: they don't need just to get things done. We should
Speaker 5: not put so many expectations on ourselves that we need
Speaker 5: to resort to that. But I do think as women,
Speaker 5: often we do end up in positions where we're stretching
Speaker 5: ourselves really thin. And Mom, I just wondered if you
Speaker 5: had anything that you wanted to say about this.
Speaker 4: Well, I think you're right.
Speaker 2: We do find ourselves and positions where we stretch ourselves
Speaker 2: really thin. Are you asking me if I ever took
Speaker 2: out or although I never did, No, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, or as being a high achiever, maybe if
Speaker 3: you felt yeah, I think it's interesting. You know what's
Speaker 3: funny is that I am relating to the show, as
Speaker 3: I've said, in a whole new way that it's almost
Speaker 3: as though I feel like I am watching it for
Speaker 3: the very first time and being pregnant and watching it,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm really locked in on the on the relationships
Speaker 3: that are shown, or the exploration of mothering and motherhood
Speaker 3: right because I'm just I'm soti in that chapter of
Speaker 3: my life or starting that chapter of my life. And
Speaker 3: so the idea of trying to do it all, have
Speaker 3: it all, be the best, this, be the best that,
Speaker 3: be the best wife, be the best mother, be the
Speaker 3: best in business, be the best everywhere, right is landing
Speaker 3: with me in a way that it didn't when I
Speaker 3: was on the show, and so I was actually thinking
Speaker 3: about this unpacking it a little bit after I watched
Speaker 3: the episode, and how does this show up in my
Speaker 3: life as someone who identifies as a perfectionist, And yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, I think we all suffered from that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so I was thinking though that even in pregnancy,
Speaker 3: even in pregnancy, the idea of mom guilt kind of
Speaker 3: creeps in the idea of wanting to be the best.
Speaker 3: You know, anything you find out about how your pregnancy
Speaker 3: is going that you've decided is not right, it feels
Speaker 3: like a failure on your end, even though I should
Speaker 3: know it isn't right, but it feels it can land
Speaker 3: that way. Or I had mentioned I think to you
Speaker 3: guys recently that I'm suffering pill fatigue because I'm taking
Speaker 3: prenatals and I'm taking oh my go threes and I'm
Speaker 3: taking X y Z to make sure that everything's going
Speaker 3: all these vitamins, yes, all these vitamins and not ADHD medications,
Speaker 3: and that some days it's just so much and by
Speaker 3: the end of the day you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I don't want to take one more pill. But the
Speaker 3: driver in my head, instead of it being it's okay,
Speaker 3: you've done great, You're nourishing your baby. The way you're
Speaker 3: carrying your baby is enough. It's a going to let
Speaker 3: her down if you don't find a way to stomach
Speaker 3: one more pay right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So these are the stories we tell ourselves, you know,
Speaker 2: and getting a hold. I mean, I feel like I've
Speaker 2: worked my whole life. I mean I'm still I feel
Speaker 2: like I work on it every day. Like the awareness,
Speaker 2: the conscious choice that you can make about the stories
Speaker 2: you tell yourself about yourself and the difference between the
Speaker 2: what you have and what you have done and focusing
Speaker 2: on that instead of the what you haven't and what
Speaker 2: isn't enough and what you didn't do, which is what
Speaker 2: we mostly do. And that really comes from DNA, you know,
Speaker 2: it really does like we're not wired to sort of
Speaker 2: focus on the good.
Speaker 4: We're really focused to.
Speaker 2: We're wired to focus on the bad because that's how
Speaker 2: we have survived with you know, we don't repeat those
Speaker 2: things or whatever what we're afraid of and all that.
Speaker 4: We keep that, but it has to be conscious, you
Speaker 4: really have to.
Speaker 2: Think about it. And and the way put it too,
Speaker 2: like that we are the ones that set up the expectation.
Speaker 2: You know, you are the one that says me, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take me. For example, I'm the one that says
Speaker 2: I should be able to go to my friend's wedding
Speaker 2: in New York, and then I should be able to
Speaker 2: come home to the hotel at one o'clock and I
Speaker 2: should be able to wake up at three and go
Speaker 2: to the airport and fly to Los Angeles and then
Speaker 2: get off the plane and get my makeup done and
Speaker 2: then come here and do a couple of episodes of
Speaker 2: that and then go home. And then actually I have
Speaker 2: two auditions that I'm self taping tonight, and then I
Speaker 2: have to wash the dog because we're going to Children's
Speaker 2: hospital tomorrow to visitations. And I should be able to
Speaker 2: do all that. That is my day, and I'm probably
Speaker 2: not gonna do I'm you know.
Speaker 5: Are you sure you'd well.
Speaker 2: I'm surely not. I'm not taking the adderall to get
Speaker 2: it all done.
Speaker 4: But maybe I should be.
Speaker 2: But that is a very high bar of expectations. And
Speaker 2: my point is I've done that to myself.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: I could have called the hospital and said, you know what,
Speaker 2: we love coming to Children's Hospital. I've had other extra
Speaker 2: stuff come up today. I just can't make it, But
Speaker 2: I feel guilty about the kids, right, I feel guilty
Speaker 2: about the patients that they're suffering way more than I'm suffering.
Speaker 2: So I should just get my shit together and get
Speaker 2: the dog washed and get over there, right, you know,
Speaker 2: I feel like I want to execute these auditions because
Speaker 2: it's important to me to get another acting job. And
Speaker 2: that's how the business works. Now as you do these
Speaker 2: horrible self tapes in your own house and you know,
Speaker 2: but it's hard for me to do. It's not my wheelhouse,
Speaker 2: I you know, but I'm good and so anyways, it's
Speaker 2: an example of every day we set up the list
Speaker 2: of expectations and then we fall short of them, and
Speaker 2: then we punish ourselves for it.
Speaker 3: Well, I hope that this conversation, maybe being so fresh
Speaker 3: in your mind, will offer you the chance to be
Speaker 3: to give yourself some grace.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. I think one trick is sometimes
Speaker 2: you really can't change the list of expectations, but you
Speaker 2: can change the way you treat.
Speaker 4: The voice that you treat yourself with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I do know at the end
Speaker 2: of the stay, when I do get the auditions done
Speaker 2: and I do get the dog washed, and I'm totally exhausted.
Speaker 2: I do have control of going I did my best. Yes,
Speaker 2: like maybe I won't get the jobs, you know whatever,
Speaker 2: but I'll know that like I showed up and I
Speaker 2: did my best and that will be enough. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: won't be any extra punishing. And that's maybe different than
Speaker 2: twenty years ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah that I'm like, I'm just thinking about the women
Speaker 5: in the show and how I don't feel like anybody
Speaker 5: is saying that they've done their best at the end
Speaker 5: of this episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 4: That's a good point that they're all really critical of themselves.
Speaker 5: I mean maybe Gabby feels momentarily like she's done her best,
Speaker 5: but then we see that that's going to come back
Speaker 5: to bite her because Carlos, well.
Speaker 2: Let's like wrap that up for the listeners of like
Speaker 2: how that So she picks her up. She realizes that
Speaker 2: she's she's lost all this money and she kind.
Speaker 3: Of said somewhere upwards of fifteen thousand dollars, Yeah, Carlos's money.
Speaker 2: In an hour, and Gabrielle uses that to get the
Speaker 2: mother in law to.
Speaker 5: Not say anything about her to Carlos. But then Carlos
Speaker 5: says when Gabby is not there to his mom. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm so glad you guys are getting along. Gabby was
Speaker 5: really worried about you. I ended up telling her that
Speaker 5: you had a gambling addiction. And Whennita realizes she set
Speaker 5: her up, she sent her there on purpose, and now
Speaker 5: she is suspicious that she and I think she even
Speaker 5: noticed it. She notices John at the end, and she
Speaker 5: notices how Gabby doesn't talk to John at all.
Speaker 3: Right, they have that little lags, that little moment as
Speaker 3: she's walking back from her mailbox.
Speaker 5: And it's the idea that the person that you're actively
Speaker 5: ignoring is the person that she's having something right, So
Speaker 5: we get that storyline wrapping up in that way. We
Speaker 5: obviously we covered Rex and Brie. Brie is so beautiful
Speaker 5: and fearless and vulnerable and Rex just gives her nothing, nothing,
Speaker 5: And Lynette does make all of the costumes.
Speaker 3: And in the show too, I know, I know.
Speaker 4: So that's a really big episode.
Speaker 2: And I brought bean burritos so in episode six, and
Speaker 2: the scene in the hotel room with Rex and Brie.
Speaker 2: The reason I have brought you three different bean and
Speaker 2: cheese burritos should be obvious if you.
Speaker 4: Saw that scene.
Speaker 2: I thought it was hilarious that Brie could just not
Speaker 2: enjoy sex while she saw the hot cheese slowly about
Speaker 2: to drip on the carpet. It was a epic moment,
Speaker 2: that scene. But anyway, let me tell you what we
Speaker 2: have here. So I felt like, you know, I make
Speaker 2: a good burrito, but I felt like it might be
Speaker 2: more fun to search Los Angeles for their best burritos.
Speaker 2: So I looked up what were the best bean and
Speaker 2: cheese burritos in our city? And so I won't tell
Speaker 2: you which one is which, Okay, but one of these
Speaker 2: is from Sorna Rita's in downtown LA. One of these
Speaker 2: is from Burrito Express in Pasadena, and one of these
Speaker 2: is from Casitas Taco Al Carbone in Burbank.
Speaker 5: Did you drive to all of these locations to pick
Speaker 5: up the burritos?
Speaker 4: It is none of your business.
Speaker 3: Look, we don't have to just delivered right here.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I will tell you which one is which, but
Speaker 2: I know, so I thought we could take a bite
Speaker 2: of each of them and then see.
Speaker 5: Wait, I'm so excited. I also I love just starting.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to I want to bite.
Speaker 5: I'm starting with that one too.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, this is the one with the really soft
Speaker 2: beans like they're they're really refried.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm wow, which I have to say, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: a bean and cheese burrito, I'm expecting soft refried bean.
Speaker 3: Yes, you want kind of one texture. It's the one
Speaker 3: food where I feel like you kind of do want
Speaker 3: one texture soft.
Speaker 2: And then this is a different one has more of
Speaker 2: like the whole the whole pento bean. Okay, I'm not
Speaker 2: really seeing the cheese these are supposed to be.
Speaker 5: I'm sure it's in there.
Speaker 3: No, I see some white cheese. Yeah, but the beans
Speaker 3: are definitely a little bit more. It's going to be
Speaker 3: aggressive own individual identity.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, while we're chewing.
Speaker 2: While you guys are chewing, I'll say just I mean,
Speaker 2: how can you not say, First of all, I mean
Speaker 2: so many things, Bree is so brave in this moment,
Speaker 2: and you know what, you really wouldn't necessarily expect it
Speaker 2: of the Breed character to kind of put her ego aside,
Speaker 2: and even later in the scenes where they kind of
Speaker 2: they come back to the house and she sort of
Speaker 2: calls them out on you know, I don't think it's me,
Speaker 2: I think it's you. But but she shows up in
Speaker 2: such a brave way, and it made me want to
Speaker 2: buy a mink coat and have a person that I
Speaker 2: would go wear nothing but brawn underwear and then just
Speaker 2: drop the mink coat with like that seemed so fun
Speaker 2: and Marcia. Okay, So twenty thirty years ago, when I
Speaker 2: was doing Lewis and Clark, I got an opportunity to
Speaker 2: do the cover of a magazine called Movie Line, which
Speaker 2: I don't think exists anymore, but it was one of
Speaker 2: they We did this big photo shoot and then they
Speaker 2: had this idea to kind of do this racy cover
Speaker 2: and I did this shot of me like up against
Speaker 2: a pole, like a like a lamp post or a
Speaker 2: big wood you know, big wood lamp post, and I
Speaker 2: was tied. I was totally naked, but tied with like
Speaker 2: fishing rope, you know, like the really thick the kind
Speaker 2: of rope you climb up at a CrossFit gym, And
Speaker 2: it was tied around my breasts and around my crotch
Speaker 2: and sort of you know in a way but where
Speaker 2: you couldn't see like the private parts, but you could
Speaker 2: see everything. And I remember at the time thinking this
Speaker 2: is really risque. Some people are gonna like this some
Speaker 2: people are gonna hate this, but I'm going to be
Speaker 2: really glad I have this photo when I'm eighty years old,
Speaker 2: And can I just say I am, I really am,
Speaker 2: And and take that to heart. You young people listening,
Speaker 2: because you know, make those moments, because you know you
Speaker 2: will get to a point where you'll look back and
Speaker 2: you go, well, I'm not going to be that ever again. Really,
Speaker 2: even if I was a person who was getting plastic surgery,
Speaker 2: which I'm not, but if I was, no judgment by
Speaker 2: the way, you know, you still can't make that. You
Speaker 2: can't you can't make that yourself look like that. It's
Speaker 2: only something that youth offers. Anyway, Marcia in this scene
Speaker 2: looks it looks unbelievable, like just flawless unbelievable.
Speaker 4: I love the scene so much. Okay, what are we
Speaker 4: thinking of the Britos?
Speaker 3: Well, I just I mean, have you tried the third one?
Speaker 5: I haven't tried the third one. For the third one now,
Speaker 5: I'm kind of only want to do bean and she's
Speaker 5: burritos every every episode because it's it's all I want.
Speaker 5: My girlfriend would love that too, is her favorite snack.
Speaker 3: I went through a I went through a phase during
Speaker 3: Desperate Housewives, probably season one because I grew so much
Speaker 3: where I think for three weeks straight I craved a
Speaker 3: bean and chese burrito every day and my mom made
Speaker 3: them for me every day.
Speaker 5: So she made them because I was gonna say where
Speaker 5: did you get your bean?
Speaker 3: And she made them and they were great. Okay, do
Speaker 3: we have a favorite?
Speaker 5: I think my favorite is the first one.
Speaker 3: I think my favorite is the first one.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's almost like we're related through TV.
Speaker 2: Our favorite is Soa Sona Rito's s O n O R.
Speaker 2: I t a s Sona Rito's and it looks like
Speaker 2: there's one on Sartel and one in downtown l A.
Speaker 2: And of the three, I will say this was voted
Speaker 2: the highest.
Speaker 5: Ah out of the twel amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we picked the one that the the wherever
Speaker 2: this article was from.
Speaker 5: I will say, I think this burrito from Sona Rita's
Speaker 5: is worth getting a cheese stain in your clothes.
Speaker 4: Or on the rug or on the rug.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I prea is that amazing line where she goes, well,
Speaker 5: you've clearly never tried to get out a cheese stain.
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right. And I feel like we're just
Speaker 5: getting drawn more and more into the juicy mystery of
Speaker 5: this season.
Speaker 2: And I love that you use the word juicy because
Speaker 2: of the bean and cheese burritos to talk.
Speaker 5: About juicy, a juicy burrito, just like the juicy juicy
Speaker 5: last shot of the Dana's baby blanket unnoticed for now
Speaker 5: in the back of Susan's garage. And I really, I mean,
Speaker 5: I personally can't wait to see what happens next.
Speaker 2: It's hard not to binge this. Oh my god, I'm
Speaker 2: really it is really hard for me to not binge this.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to watch episode seven. But just so
Speaker 2: you're listening at home, we're trying not to binge it
Speaker 2: because we want to come back and record, you know,
Speaker 2: each episode as a podcast and other. If I was
Speaker 2: following my true nature, i'd be done with this season already. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's actually a really good exercise that we used
Speaker 2: to watch television this way.
Speaker 4: Yep. You used to have to wait for the next week.
Speaker 2: And there is something gratifying about waiting and not just
Speaker 2: shoving it all into your brain in six hours until three.
Speaker 4: In the morning.
Speaker 2: Yes, there is something nice about letting it settle in
Speaker 2: week after week. So I don't know if if you're listening,
Speaker 2: if you're following along with us with that same rate
Speaker 2: of viewership, but we're having fun. And by the way,
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