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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cutting the Distance. Today we're recording from

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Speaker 1: the mountains of Oregon. The rudd is finally starting to

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Speaker 1: pick up, the bowls are starting to get pretty vocal,

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Speaker 1: and the weather's starting to cool down. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to hunt these last ten days of September. Here. Today's

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Speaker 1: guest is my good buddy and longtime camera guy, David Frame.

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Speaker 1: He grew up in Dayton, Washington, where he became passionate

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Speaker 1: about photography and began shooting, photographing, and shooting wildlife at

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Speaker 1: a young age. David has been very fortunate to film

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Speaker 1: hunts to take pictures all across the US. He may

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Speaker 1: be behind the camera most of the time, but what

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Speaker 1: he knows about hunting is second to none. He knows

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Speaker 1: what he's doing out there. I love being able to

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Speaker 1: bounce ideas off of him during a hunt, not to

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Speaker 1: mention once something is down. He's pretty handy with a

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Speaker 1: heavy pack. Welcome to the show, Dave.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks Phelps for having me on today.

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Speaker 1: How's everything going.

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Speaker 2: It's going good. Falling the mountains so can't beat it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's awesome. Like I said, you know, most

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Speaker 1: time you're behind the camera, but I really enjoy hunting

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Speaker 1: with you. You know, you're just like a buddy, except

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Speaker 1: for most time you're you're behind the camera and they

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Speaker 1: got for some reason, my ugly mugs in front of

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Speaker 1: the camera. So no, we've had a lot of good

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Speaker 1: hunts together. That's what we're going to kind of cover

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Speaker 1: today is what we've you know, some of the hunts

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Speaker 1: we've been on together and what's what you know where

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Speaker 1: we found the success and we're gonna go over some

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Speaker 1: of those hunts. I think we've got four or five

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Speaker 1: hunts we've been successful on since we've started working together

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Speaker 1: back in eighteen or nineteen. So, like we start all

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Speaker 1: Cutting the Distance episodes, though, we're gonna start with some

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Speaker 1: listener questions. These all came in from email. We got

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Speaker 1: three questions today, and if you have questions of your

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Speaker 1: own for us here at Cutting the Distance, feel free

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Speaker 1: to email all them to us at CTD at phelpsgame

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Speaker 1: Calls dot com, or send us a message on social

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Speaker 1: media and we'll do our best to get those on

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Speaker 1: here for me and my listeners to answer. So the

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Speaker 1: first question today is from Brian Rosen from Butte, Montana.

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Speaker 1: He was hunting last week in southwest Montana, and he

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Speaker 1: was able to randomly hear two bulls biggling on a

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Speaker 1: He exchanged some calls back and forth for about a

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Speaker 1: half an hour, but they never seemed to actually move

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Speaker 1: towards him. He eventually attempted a spot in stock since

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Speaker 1: they were still responding but not getting drawn in. Once

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Speaker 1: he was within eighty eight yards of what he says

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Speaker 1: is a big six point, he continued to grunt and bark.

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Speaker 1: The bull continued to grunt and bark in his direction,

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Speaker 1: but simply would not close the distance with bull or

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Speaker 1: cow calls from him. The bowl eventually casually walked off

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Speaker 1: into the timber. Brian did not pursue him, is he

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Speaker 1: didn't want to blow him out of the area, and

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Speaker 1: it was almost the end of the day anyways. So

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Speaker 1: his question for us is, how do I get a

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Speaker 1: bull that will respond to biggling only? How do you

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Speaker 1: get how do you get that bull within shooting range

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Speaker 1: given that he will not respond to cow calls, raking,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean you're gonna have a lot more

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Speaker 2: knowledge on this subject than I do. Phelps, but I

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Speaker 2: would think. The first thing I would be trying is

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Speaker 2: out where some of the cows might be betted or

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Speaker 2: the herd bowl will come circling around eventually and might

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And and that's right off the bat, with that

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Speaker 1: I instantly it's like we've got a herd bowl, most likely.

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Speaker 1: But I'm also in the back of my head knowing

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Speaker 1: that's calling him or a bowl that's challenging him. But

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Speaker 1: if the vegetation and train allowed, and you kept bugling

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Speaker 1: He was already at fifty yards as soon as we

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Speaker 1: And so you just every all these plans evolve and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I will say to that point of being

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Speaker 2: all and ended up bugling, and that bowl just whipped

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I've I've bumped cows before. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you're too aggressive. And that's that's how I grew

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Speaker 2: In afterwards, as long as you have the wind and

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Speaker 1: on to a question from Levi Molloy out in New Mexico,

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Speaker 1: he said he just got done with an either sex

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Speaker 1: He was primarily losing cow calls and throwing beagles out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean that that's happened to me so

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Speaker 2: I think, just looking back hindsight's twenty twenty, I would

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Speaker 1: Yep. We we talk about that all the time. Is

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Speaker 1: you know, don't don't try to set up or don't

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Speaker 1: like was there a way you could have backed out

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Speaker 1: can just leave these jokers up on the mountain and

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00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,840
Speaker 1: not have to ever talk to him again. So we

433
00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,040
Speaker 1: were in his backyard on a spring bear hunt with

434
00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,440
Speaker 1: my good buddy Charlie Smith, and it worked out good.

435
00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,760
Speaker 1: I think you know you you joked right with the

436
00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,800
Speaker 1: crew you were, it didn't take long to integrate in,

437
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,000
Speaker 1: you know. We Charlie ended up being able to kill

438
00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,840
Speaker 1: a pretty little cinnamon blonde on that hunt, and from

439
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,760
Speaker 1: then on that was kind of our was that our

440
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,679
Speaker 1: only hunt we had you on that year was kind

441
00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:12,439
Speaker 1: of just a trial run.

442
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,840
Speaker 2: We weren't filming a think so yeah, I think so.

443
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,720
Speaker 2: It's hard to all the all the hunts blend together,

444
00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:18,359
Speaker 2: but I think so.

445
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then eighteen we had kind of a busy

446
00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,119
Speaker 1: schedule with multiple guys on multiple state trips, and we

447
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,760
Speaker 1: started to utilize you a lot more on our hunts.

448
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,240
Speaker 1: You know, everything you did was great and turned out

449
00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,480
Speaker 1: for us. I think that year you filmed John and

450
00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,200
Speaker 1: Charlie on an Idaho l hunt yep, and John was

451
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,200
Speaker 1: able to kill I think Charlie called in a pretty

452
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 1: big five point for John pretty early in the hunt.

453
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,240
Speaker 1: There were some other bowls around, so you hunted with

454
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 1: those guys. And then later that year you ended up

455
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 1: going to Nevada with us on my Dad's meal to

456
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,800
Speaker 1: your hunt, where he killed a pretty good buck on

457
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,160
Speaker 1: the second day of that hunt. And then we then

458
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 1: we kind of started el hunting together. We had kind

459
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,160
Speaker 1: of just you know, it had hunted together when it fit,

460
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 1: and in twenty nineteen, we had a pretty big plan together.

461
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,680
Speaker 1: I think you stayed with me for almost all September.

462
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,199
Speaker 1: I think we started here in Oregon at the end

463
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 1: of August. I think you had some stuff going on,

464
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,679
Speaker 1: or maybe you were doing your own hunt then. I

465
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 1: can't remember, but we went to Wyoming shortly thereafter, beginning

466
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 1: of September, to the Big Horns, and then we came

467
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 1: back to Oregon. So let's kind of let's relive that

468
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen Wyoming hunt. You know, we were in the

469
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,640
Speaker 1: Big Horns, and leading into that hunt, we had got

470
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of information that and I don't ever trust

471
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 1: this information, but everybody's like, you don't have to scout

472
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 1: a lot, like there are elk literally everywhere. And I

473
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 1: remember we got there, we got camp unloaded, got everything set,

474
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: and I think we were there. Were we only there

475
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 1: the night before? Did we show up a day and

476
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 1: a half before? I think it was a day and

477
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 1: a half.

478
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was the day and a half.

479
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 2: So we did quite a bit of scout.

480
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we we went in and we scouted and

481
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 1: found some elk the first night, and then the next

482
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 1: night we found like a you know, if you haven't

483
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: been to the Big Horns, there are these crazy cliffs

484
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: that separate the tops and then like the mid slopes,

485
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 1: and so we were able to find a way through

486
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 1: that to get a lot closer to where we had

487
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 1: spotted those elk. And it was unbelievable. The night before season, like,

488
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: I could not move my spotter to a meadow or

489
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: an area that didn't seem to have elk in it.

490
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 1: So that's it sounds super cliche and extremely obvious, but

491
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 1: you can't kill an elk without having elk there. But

492
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 1: this place seemed to be unreal. You couldn't move without

493
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: being an elk, which was every elk hunter's dream, right.

494
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the most elk I've ever seen, still still today.

495
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the night before I think if anybody goes back

496
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: and watches the video, I'm all grind because I'm just

497
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 1: like you, even I can't screw this up. You know,

498
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: we were going to have elk no matter which basin

499
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: which ridge, and then you actually have a little bit

500
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: of a problem because you're like, well, I don't know

501
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: where to go. This ridge had an elk on it

502
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: this ridge, you know that I really like that bowl

503
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: and you're kind of looking through bowls and you really

504
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: kind of picked that way. We ultimately found a ridge

505
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: that we thought would be a little bit harder for

506
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: people to get to, and so we elected to go

507
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: down in their opening day. That was I don't know

508
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 1: if everybody remembers. I had lost a bet with my

509
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: buddy Dirt Durham that year who would sell more diaphragms,

510
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: my personal signature diaphragm or his, and I think he

511
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: ended up beating me by a couple thousand diaphragms, and

512
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: my for me to pay up on that bet, Dirt

513
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: got to pick out a whole Cogain outfit that I

514
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: got to hunt in, which was real humbling. And so

515
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: my intention going up on the mountain was to not

516
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: see anybody, and we were just gonna get through the

517
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: first day. We're gonna film it, and then I was

518
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: gonna edit this film, so I was gonna put very

519
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: very little of that in. We had, We had a

520
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 1: pretty good morning. We ended up bumping the herd that

521
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: we wanted to have about I think it was still

522
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: one hundred head plus or minus. We got him into

523
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 1: some thick stuff and ended up seeing legs and never

524
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: did see him. We chased another little bugle for while

525
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: and then everything everything quieted down quite a bit that day.

526
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: I think we sat for what five six hours that

527
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: day up on the mountain, taken a nap, we did.

528
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: We were, as we mentioned, there was a lot of

529
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: elk elk rich environment. We did not want to keep

530
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: bumping things until they started biggling again. You know, you

531
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: want of those shadows they get long. You wanted to

532
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: get up out of their beds at four thirty five,

533
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere in there and start biggling. So we

534
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 1: we hung out there and started to work our way

535
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: down the mountain where we saw maybe the next best

536
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: bowls that morning, and uh, I think we we finally

537
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: it was pretty close to dark, we were able to

538
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: get a bowl to locate and he was high. He

539
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: was actually in I don't even know what the name

540
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: is where those cliffs kind of fall out and make

541
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: a flat bench blow him and you know, and they're

542
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: kind of scattered with rocks. He was in kind of

543
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: a shelf below the cliff, but he wasn't cover he

544
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: wasn't covering any distance I think we had tried to

545
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: call in a couple of different setups and and when

546
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: we when we talked talk about this over and over.

547
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: If a bull will not move his location or doesn't

548
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: seem to be moving his location over a said amount

549
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: of time, that seems like he's going to close the distance,

550
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: you need to move yourself. And we had set up

551
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 1: a couple of times and and he was very responsive.

552
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 1: He would be agle back, but he would never move locations.

553
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: And so ultimately we looked at each other and like,

554
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: we got to go. We're running out of time. Both

555
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: we were. We had the clock ticking against us, and

556
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 1: uh so we were trying to move fairly quickly. We

557
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: were very aggressive. We we crossed a little rock ravine.

558
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: He was bigl and kind of as we were still running,

559
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: we were kind of picking up on that. But we

560
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: had I had this spruce tree kind of that we

561
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: needed to get to. That was going to be the

562
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: one where you know, I could shoot through the limbs,

563
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: I could kind of see through him, I can get

564
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: a better feel for what was going on. That was

565
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: one of those times where we were just talking about earlier.

566
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: I think we showed up about fifty five yards away

567
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: from the bowl. Yeah, so we had to. We had to.

568
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: We had to call him very little. But this is

569
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: what happens. I believe this bull hurt us coming. He

570
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: didn't hear us biggling because we stopped biggling. This was

571
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: one of those times where I knew he was there.

572
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: We knew we didn't need the bugle because he was

573
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: biggling on his own, so we went silent. We closed

574
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: out last two hundred hundred and fifty yards without making

575
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: a peep. But I elk can hear very good. We've

576
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: even seen it on this trip. We've had elk bugle

577
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: at us just walking down a road or down a trail.

578
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: They hear us and rip off, you know, so they

579
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: will bugle just at the sound of your feet. This

580
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: bowl started biggling and biggling more, and we I think

581
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: we did start finally biggling back and forth at him,

582
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: but he would not budge. I could see bits and

583
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: pieces of him through the tree, but he would not move.

584
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: And on this one, a lot of people talk, you know,

585
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: we talk about all of the different sounds that bowl

586
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: elk make. One of the sounds is an alarm bark

587
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: or a nervous bark. He knew that we were there.

588
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: But basically, when when a bull barks, he asked you

589
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: to show yourself. Right, I everybody always ask me how

590
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: we hold our bagle tubes. I typically, during a shooting situation,

591
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: keep my bugle tube. If I'm on my knees, I'll

592
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: keep it between my legs. If I'm standing up, I

593
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: pinched my bugle tube between my legs. That's just how

594
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: well he barked at me. And I was all because

595
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: he's kind of in view, kind of not in view.

596
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: And I can't remember if I picked my two Do

597
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: you remember if I picked my tube up, if I

598
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: just barked with my voice or just like barked without

599
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: a tube as focused on the view fan, So Dave

600
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: was focused on getting the shot. But I think I

601
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: barked with a diaphragm, but I didn't lift my tube up.

602
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: So basically he said show yourself, and I said, no,

603
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: show yourself. And just like clockwork on that call in

604
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: that bowl, as soon as I barked, we had been

605
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: in a ten to fifteen minute stalemate, stand off, whatever

606
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: you want to call it. That bowl walks fifteen yards

607
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: to the right and plane site, very good bow range.

608
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: I think it was thirty yards and made a great shot.

609
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: And this is one of those times where sometimes people

610
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: can celebrate and maybe get two loud after a shot.

611
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: We kind of kept our composure a little bit. I

612
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: he as he was running back behind the spruce tree

613
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: where I was gonna lose sight. I had actually stepped

614
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: to the right. I didn't spook him. He never saw me,

615
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: but I was trying to watch and I realized he stops.

616
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: I think I cow called or we called right after. Yeah,

617
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: the bull was lethally wounded. He was hit perfect. I was,

618
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: but I'm I was taught, I was raised, and I

619
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: will do it probably till the day I die, until

620
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: some bad experience or some other some other studies show

621
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: that you should never shoot him twice. I was able

622
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: to call that bowl back in. He didn't come all

623
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: the way to the same spot, but he came out

624
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: in the open a little bit more and I had

625
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: a little bit of a of a of a not

626
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: decent angle. He was a little bit quartered too, but

627
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: I put it just on the back side of the

628
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: shoulder and shot him again. Now some people may say,

629
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: you know you don't want to alarm or to spook

630
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: a bull that's lethally wounded. But I'm of I'm of

631
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: the sense like, even though I know that SHOT's perfect,

632
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: I would assume his lungs have another hole in him.

633
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And that bowl was good evidence of it.

634
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: He tipped over forty yards down the hill from where

635
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: I shot the second time, or where he got hit

636
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: the second time. One of the most you know, I

637
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: don't say disgusting, one of the dirtiest breakdowns ever. That

638
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: bowl had found himself a wallow during the ninety degree

639
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, early September heat, and he.

640
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: Was completely covered head to toe.

641
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we tried. For those of you that that I

642
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: haven't talked about, like my dad and uncles were all

643
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: raised in a butcher shop and it's been passed down

644
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: to us, like your meat's kept very clean, no hair,

645
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: no dirt. And I looked at Dave. I'm like, man,

646
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: I cannot keep my hands under the hide. It's just

647
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: going to be a disaster. And we looked at each

648
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: other and we were both running pretty low on water

649
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: because it was so hot that day, and we had

650
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: a we had a river about a mile down below us.

651
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: We decided that it was worth dropping everything but our water,

652
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: water bags or bottles or whatever we had, and we

653
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: went down there and filled every one of those up.

654
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: It took us about an hour to drop in film

655
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: up and come back up. But we had to keep

656
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: our hands clean, keep the meat clean, and it worked out.

657
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: It was gonna be a disaster without it. So in

658
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: that time, you know field care. You know, sometimes it's

659
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: nice to have water hand you know, back then we

660
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: didn't pack like the hand wipes, the wet wipes around.

661
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: Now we would have had those we could have helped

662
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: out with. You know, this was an instance where he

663
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: was so muddy, like rubber gloves weren't gonna help at all,

664
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: and everything was slick. I think rubber gloves would actually

665
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: hurt in that situation. But you know, we did everything

666
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: we could, you know, on that one, and on on

667
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: that calin I think we were we were very aggressive.

668
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: You know, some people would have been like we were

669
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: too aggressive.

670
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, when I was, when I was running after you,

671
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: chasing you down, I was thinking we were on the

672
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: edge of too aggressive.

673
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: When it worked out. Yeah, So this I'm glad you

674
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: said that because if there would have been a spruce

675
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: tree or a good tree. The vegetation. We talk about

676
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: it maybe too much, but this this is another idea.

677
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: Like I knew that was the tree. I could see

678
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: it from one hundred yards out, because everything else was

679
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: going to put me behind a little teeny green, you know,

680
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: a piece of brush out in the wide open, and

681
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: that was a tree that was going to allow me

682
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: to be concealed, get my bow drawn, everything that was

683
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: going to need to do. And so we probably were

684
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: about you know, if you want to say we were

685
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: thirty yards too aggressive, but I needed to be at

686
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: that tree. Otherwise it didn't matter how far we stayed

687
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: back or where we played it cautious, we weren't going

688
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: to get to the right spot. Yeah, we didn't know

689
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: if it was a herd bowl or a satellite at

690
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: that point, you know, herd bowl. We were going to

691
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: have to get that close. So yeah, we literally ran

692
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: the last three hundred yards, got very very tight to

693
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: this bowl. And it was still a pain in the

694
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: neck to call him out from behind that tree. You know.

695
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: It took us twenty minutes of back and forth, and

696
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: finally a bark was what was able to pull him,

697
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: pull him away.

698
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what's school about El Kinnie? You can

699
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: chase him around and yeah.

700
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. And then we finished up on that hunt

701
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: we hunted, so that was day one I was fortunate

702
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: enough to kill. We hunted with our buddy Corey for

703
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: another eight days and we called in a few bulls.

704
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: One lesson And I'm not picking on my buddy Corey

705
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: at all. And when we talked to a guy on

706
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: this hunt, what was his what was his line about

707
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: drawing his bow? I don't remember he was. The guy's like,

708
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: I can't. He's like, these bulls won't let you draw

709
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: your bow. I'm gonna have to draw before he ever

710
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: sees me. And I'm not talking anything bad about like

711
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: I said, this guy, not Corey didn't say this, but

712
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: the other guy. And we're like, yeah, drawing your bow

713
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: is and when to draw your bow is maybe the

714
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: most important decision you're gonna make on a call in.

715
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: You need to you need to be very in tune

716
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: with the bulls movement. How much has he stopped on

717
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: the way in, how quick is he moving, how aggressive

718
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: is he been if he's coming in tiptoeing really quiet?

719
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: Like man, you depending on if you how long you

720
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: can hold your bow, but you might want to draw

721
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: the very last second, Like find a tree that you

722
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: can draw on.

723
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: A tree picked down beforehand, I'm gonna draw there.

724
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, if the bulls like just hammering through brush and

725
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: like storming in, you get a little more lead. Way,

726
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: you can draw a little bit earlier because you're not

727
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: gonna probably get stuck hold in as long. It's a

728
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: fine art. But you know, back to the Big Horn Hut, Wyoming,

729
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: we had a pretty good six with a real good

730
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: front end, maybe not super strong up top, but this

731
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: bull got out into a meadow and he actually did

732
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: what we say doesn't work very often. We didn't have

733
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: a whole lot of vegetation in front of us, but

734
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: we kind of got pinned down because he we were calling,

735
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: and I think we all kind of looked up and

736
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, he's on the edge of the meadow.

737
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: We called a little bit more and this bull sprints

738
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: across the meadow and that was one of those times

739
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: where if I and I think Corey was a little

740
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: bit on the edge whether he wanted that bowl or not.

741
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: So maybe he wasn't super interested in and drawing at

742
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: that time, but within about twenty seconds. That bowl covered

743
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: two hundred yards, oh yeah, and he was right on

744
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: top of us at twenty yards broadside. But you know,

745
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: once again Corey wasn't able to draw his bow because

746
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: now the bull was locked on you know, me and him,

747
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: the caller and the shooter, and we were kind of

748
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: just pinned down. So we chased a lot of bulls.

749
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun, just you know, a

750
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: little bit later in the hunt, we had a bigger

751
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: five point that you know, came in in a kind

752
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: of a weird direction, and then he started his frontel

753
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: walk at about seventy yards coming up an old cat trail,

754
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: and Heinstein's always twenty twenty if you know, we talk

755
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: about this when you set up, you should be able

756
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: to guess where a bull is gonna want to come up,

757
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: and if he's going to come up like an old

758
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: grade or an old like a very clear path, you

759
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: should maybe set yourself fifteen to twenty yards up on

760
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: it and not be in a straight line with that path,

761
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, because I think if we were just ten

762
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: to fifteen yards off number one, that bowl wouldn't have

763
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: finally seen us in the road being set up or

764
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: Corey in the road set up, but he would have

765
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: walked past us or at least up that road enough

766
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: to get a shot, and so we would have avoided

767
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: the eye to eye contact and been able to get

768
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: a closer broadside shot. Yeah. So yeah, think about all

769
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: that stuff when you when you set up. We finished

770
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: that hunt up, we came back to Oregon. I think

771
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: we were September eleventh or twelfth we showed up here.

772
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds right.

773
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: And that year this unit just seemed to be somewhat dead.

774
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we were getting on bulls every day, but

775
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: it just wasn't going. They weren't interested in being called

776
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 1: in real reluctant to be you know, even cow called

777
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: to bugle. Just we would see bulls, they weren't bugling

778
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: a whole lot. And so we were still kind of

779
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: early in the rut. We chas we chased some smaller

780
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: bulls seemed to be rutting a little bit more. We

781
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: chased some bulls pretty deep, you know, on a few days.

782
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: It was very weird to me for the unit when

783
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: we were hunting that year that we ran into a

784
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: herd with a bigger five point and a very small

785
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: six point. Is the herd bulls and a deep spot

786
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: that should have had something special in it. So on

787
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: hunts like those, I think you need to you just

788
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: need to wait your time. But that year, that season

789
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: I believe closed off on September nineteenth. Yeah, And so

790
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: you're balancing being patient and letting the rut kick in

791
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: versus you need to get it done now. Even that

792
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: pre run. So with that said, we were still pounding

793
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: a lot of ground. We were just trying to find

794
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: a bull that was either with the herd, you know,

795
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: that that had a cow that was in and they

796
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: were excited. And the other thing that was real weird

797
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: about this unit is all the big bulls like to

798
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: hang out together. So we had found a couple of herds.

799
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: We spent a lot of days chasing bulls that just

800
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: they were outsmarting us, outrunning us. And we invested a

801
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: lot of time, you know, on some very very good bulls.

802
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: And then finally we had to make the decision all

803
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: of us after being beat what four days in a row,

804
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: three days.

805
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: In a row, I think it was four, Yeah.

806
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: And similar routines, different routines. He could do whatever he

807
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: wanted and beat us. It seemed like we just were

808
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: at a disadvantage. We just had to pull the plug

809
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: on him, like, yeah, it was a great bowl, was

810
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: one that we wanted to go after, but we had

811
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: to change plans. And so you know, fast forward, you're

812
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: like September fifteenth or sixteenth, you don't only have four

813
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: or five days left. So that's where you have to

814
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: make that decision on do you stay with them potentially

815
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: burn up all your season getting beat, or do you

816
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: need to go find one that's more callable or in

817
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: a more callable area. Yeah, that hunt we had, we

818
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: were we had got soaking wet the one day we

819
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: chased the five and the six point out and you

820
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: had wear your I think you'd worn your socks two

821
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: or three days.

822
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, one too many days in a row.

823
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: So they've had hoof rot ye or a foot disease.

824
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: As on the bench for twenty four hours.

825
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dave, da've sat September sixteenth out seventeenth sixteenth, and uh,

826
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: I went out with my other buddies and that was

827
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: the day. It was literally like somebody had hit the

828
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: light switch and told those elk that day that you

829
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: need to start bigeling. We had called in three different

830
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: bowls to under sixty yards, just didn't have any shots.

831
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: We were watching a three twenty bowl that day and

832
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: one of Brian's one of his I think it was

833
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: his brother, one of his buddies, came up and found

834
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: us on the mountain and said, hey, you guys got there.

835
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: The big bulls are down low, and so we adjusted

836
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: our hunt. We came down out of the mountains, we

837
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: got we had some permission on some pre it there

838
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: and we chased. You know, I love hunting the mountains

839
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: more than anybody. It's where I'd rather be. These bulls

840
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: down low or uncullable when they're out in the fields

841
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: like that, because you can't hide. You you're basically trying

842
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: to ambush them, get in front of them and wait.

843
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: But it's hard not to go hunt a group of

844
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: elk with three or four bowls that are all big,

845
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: mature bulls. So we made the decision to do that,

846
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: and then we got to hunt elk like I don't

847
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: like to hunt elk for three days, just trying to

848
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: get in front of them all the time, you know,

849
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: ducking down drainage ditches, you know, running around. But ultimately

850
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: was able to kill a really good bull down there

851
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: and and the low stuff. But you know, all of

852
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: those bulls had dropped out of the mountains, you know,

853
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: and went down there, and then you had you have

854
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: to hunt them where they're at, right we we just

855
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: mentioned the whole, the whole. It's it's very obvious, but

856
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: you have to kill bulls, big bulls where they're at,

857
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: and that's where they all were at that time. So

858
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: we made the decision to drop down. I'm not ashamed,

859
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: Like it was pretty nice to be able to get

860
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: a tractor to the first bowl of my life and

861
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: not have to quarter it up and pack it out

862
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: on my back. But it's one of those things I'd

863
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: like to reserve or save for my wife and kids,

864
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: and I just assume put that thing on my pack

865
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: and get it out. But it was pretty nice. One time.

866
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: I had a blast down there on the fields because

867
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're getting to see them out in

868
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: the open and get and getting close to them and

869
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: seeing how bulls heard cows around and it was it

870
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: was still fun hunt.

871
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, it was. It's it I think it

872
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: makes you a more rounded elk hunter, like trying to

873
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: figure out what you can get away with being seen,

874
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, multiple eyes. You know, we took a few risks,

875
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: you know at some points getting into these you know,

876
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: different tree rows, into these like Christmas tree type patch.

877
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's like what can we get away with?

878
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: How close can we get? And it was a fun hunt.

879
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: It was great for viewing Elk and like you said,

880
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: just being a student of the game. We're always trying

881
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: to learn, but just getting to watch them and how

882
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, when these three or four bowls all come

883
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: together and what would be like a rut fest quote

884
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: Mega heard kind of a situation like how the pecking

885
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: order was established and why they maybe let it each

886
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: to get away with a little bit when I think

887
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: like normally a big herd bow would run them all out. Yea,

888
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: It's just it was interesting to watch.

889
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, fun as a cameraman getting to film that stuff too.

890
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a lot of fun.

891
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: The next year, you came with us and filmed our

892
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: Wyoming Elk hunt. Tyson, Drevnock, Daniel Duncan, myself all drew

893
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: Wyoming tags and we showed up there those guys. I

894
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: was on a different hunt that year. Oh, I was

895
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: in New Mexico with with Dirk and and I finished

896
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: up a little bit late. You guys were there early

897
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: archery hunting, and I showed up late. And then we

898
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: had found some bulls. Two days of archery season left,

899
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: and this was one of the tags that turns into

900
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: a rifle shortly there after, you know, after archery, and

901
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: we decided not to necessarily, as much as I love

902
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: archery el hunting, there was too many elk, too many eyes,

903
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 1: and too much open ground for us to like get

904
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: in without risking busting them. So we had made the decision,

905
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: let's leave him here, let's just keep tabs on them

906
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: until the rifle opens up. Went back in there and

907
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: everything you could have set your watch to these elk

908
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: right when they were fighting, when they were coming out

909
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: to the meadows where the big bull was gonna go,

910
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: where the you know the they were also very big

911
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: satellites where they were going to go. Well, guess what

912
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: also correlates with the opening day of there was a

913
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: deer season that started in there on the same day,

914
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: and so hunters showed up. We've seen hunters that we

915
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: hadn't seen the whole time, and other people coming in

916
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: different trails. Well long, and I'll blame myself, you know,

917
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: I use my range finder a lot to figure out, like,

918
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: all right, these elk are at eighteen hundred yards away

919
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: from me, that little noles at fourteen hundred yards away

920
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: from me. If we're comfortable with a four hunder yard shot,

921
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: we can get there well somewhere. In opening day calculations,

922
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: we were way too far and we couldn't make a shot.

923
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: The bowl was there early, and so we ended up

924
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: playing a cat and mouse game. We pushed them way

925
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: high into a basin, way high in the mountain and

926
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: ended up having to kind of sit there. We watched

927
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: the bulls walk in. We were able to We knew

928
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: where they were at, We knew what patcha timber they

929
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: went in, because they couldn't have got out. It was

930
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: an isolated pocket. And we did a little bit of

931
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: a you know, a western, a western move where me

932
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: and Tyson decided we would just still hunt through the

933
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: patch of timber and then Daniel was gonna be where

934
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: we thought they may kind of release out of there,

935
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 1: and so we did a little bit of a dry

936
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, I went It wasn't a drive we were hunting,

937
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: but we we came down through that piece and I

938
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: remember early we were about halfway through the patch of

939
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: timber when I had one of the medium six is

940
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: run through me, you know, like a three hundred and

941
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: twenty at six and I couldn't get a shot, like

942
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: it flashed in front of me, but it let me

943
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: know which direction they were coming from. I wasn't on

944
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: the right ridge. The elk were on Tyson's ridge. Tyson

945
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: had either bumped him or was pushing them. So I

946
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: ran down and all of a sudden I heard a gunshot,

947
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: which I couldn't tell if it was Tyson or Daniel.

948
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: And then it was it was almost self defense because

949
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: the entire herd like came running by where I was

950
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: at and I was trying to, you know, find horns

951
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: and trying to just trying to figure out what was

952
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: going on, and the pant you know, it was just chaos.

953
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: And I figured you can hear when a rifle hits

954
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: a cavity, right, it's you get the big thump at

955
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: the end. So I knew we already had to pack

956
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: one bowl out of way. Well, I had a little

957
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: five point stop by it like seven yards. He didn't

958
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: know I was there, and like, well that's close enough,

959
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: and we already got to pack one out of here.

960
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: We're going to bring horses and mules in. So I

961
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: was able to get a shot on that bowl. And

962
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: then it was the longest I think, most miles, most

963
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: elevations I've put on in a single day. I think

964
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: we ended up doing twenty two miles and three hundred

965
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: and forty feet elevation three and forty yeah, yeah, so

966
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: thirty five hundred, yeah somewhere in there.

967
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds right.

968
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: It was a long day, and we kept getting turned

969
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: around on the way back and that are yeah, yeah,

970
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: it was. It was a disaster. And then we were

971
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: all pretty beat. But we had one day left where

972
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: we had to go home, and Tyson still had his tag.

973
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: He was unable to get a shot that night. The

974
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: next day, lokate Elk right off the bat we here

975
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: in bigland, not very far out of camp. We'd climbed

976
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: up and this is one of those times where we

977
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: almost called the bowl in too fast. We located the bowl.

978
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: He was on an adjacent ridge, but on our slope

979
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: that we were on, we had some of that dead timber.

980
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: It wasn't burnt, but just dead beetle killed timber below us,

981
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: and we thought we needed to get that bull's attention

982
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: and keep it. But just like the bowl with Corey,

983
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: that bull decided he was going to sprint to us. Well,

984
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: Tyson and Daniel and I believe you already had walked.

985
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: We were walking down there, but you guys weren't gonna

986
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: walk as fast as that bull was going to get there.

987
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: And Cody couldn't see. But Cody Wilson was in a

988
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: spot where he could not see how fat. So he

989
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: was still a calling and I'm over there giving him

990
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: like all the you know, throat symbol, like stop, cut

991
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: it off, knock it off. You know, he finally stops.

992
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: But I think when you guys popped out of the timber,

993
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: Tyson said, he looked up in the bowls like it

994
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: forty or fifty yards away, like we had called too fast.

995
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: So in that scenario, until you know exactly how that

996
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: bull is going to react, I guess what would we did? Though,

997
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: if you guys would have waited with us, you guys

998
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: would have been even further behind. So it's one of

999
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: those things where it was just it was fortunate that

1000
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: you guys were able to get there just in time.

1001
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: And Tyson was able to make a good shot on

1002
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: that bowl. But that was one of those things I

1003
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: think about that if you've got to get to a

1004
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: spot and you've got a secondary caller, use use call signals.

1005
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times if a guy's ahead,

1006
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: when he's ready to set up, he'll give like three

1007
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: quick cow calls or one, or he'll say, I'm just

1008
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: gonna cow call when i'm ready and then I'm going

1009
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: to be quiet. Right, give yourself some signals so that

1010
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: the guy that's maybe calling, or if you're not ideally

1011
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: you're always within, you know, seeing distance of each other,

1012
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: so you can give each other signals like what's going on,

1013
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: beagle cow call, whatever. But if you can't, you gotta

1014
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: have some sort of idea what's going on, So make

1015
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: sure you can communicate without communicating. We almost called that

1016
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: bowling a little too fast. Yeah, what other hunts? I

1017
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: think twenty one rifle. Yeah, you were with us on

1018
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: that one, Yep, that bowl. The whole story is if

1019
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: you know he's around, he's around, right. We spent We

1020
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: had some guys. You know, my good buddy Brian was

1021
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: watching him for a couple of days. Knew he was

1022
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: in the area, But the night before season he had

1023
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: dropped over from a south facing slope to a north

1024
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: facing slope, So it went from where he could see

1025
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: really good to where you couldn't hardly see anything. We

1026
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: knew he was there. Opening morning, we found all the

1027
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: satellite bowls that was with him, but him, all his cows,

1028
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: And then you start to wonder how far as he went.

1029
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: Did he cross the entire canyon? Did he, you know,

1030
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: go up the ridge? Did he go down the ridge?

1031
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: You're you're really starting to question. We get all the

1032
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: way through that day nothing, We go look at a

1033
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: different bowl that just wasn't quite what we were after,

1034
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: and then the next day we spot a big heavy

1035
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: seven that we didn't think was quite what we wanted,

1036
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: but we deserved the closer look. So me, you, Dirk,

1037
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: and Brian I believe walked way out, way down this

1038
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: finger ridge, way down in there, the biggest rookie mistake

1039
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: of ever. I don't Brian blames me. I blame him,

1040
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: but I know who was on the spotter at that time,

1041
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: and it wasn't me. But no Brian, Brian's an awesome hunter.

1042
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: I'm just giving him a hard time, but I still

1043
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: give him crap about this one, because you know when

1044
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: you're when you're looking through a spotter, and we could

1045
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: see just like a piece of the elk in a

1046
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: little bit of horn, like he was tucked away in

1047
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: some brush, and I was getting kind of tired, and

1048
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: Brian was looking well about I don't know, a minute

1049
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: or two went by, and I think he puts his

1050
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: eyeback in her. I actually finally duck down into my

1051
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: spot and we're both like, he's gone. Never seen him move,

1052
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: never seen him come out to where it was no

1053
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: side of this thing at all. And we're kind of like, oh,

1054
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: that was That was as bad as it gets. Like

1055
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: we screwed up big time. You know, we shouldn't have

1056
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: let that happen. We're fairly experienced, we're pretty good at

1057
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: this thing, but completely botched it. And we decided, all right,

1058
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: it's the walk of shame. We're just gonna walk out this.

1059
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: We were probably fifteen hundred feet down in there, maybe

1060
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: a little more.

1061
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least we're like.

1062
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: Oh boy, the walk of shame back up and about

1063
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: halfway and I I'd been hunting a lot already. We're

1064
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: we're in the end of October, maybe early November. I

1065
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: don't remember it was it was. I had already had

1066
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: a lot of hunts that year and I got this.

1067
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a migraine or what

1068
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: tech was going on, but I got a crazy headache

1069
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: that I did. I don't you know, hadn't had to

1070
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: deal with too much. And we had took my pack

1071
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: off and I think I'd had some talel in there

1072
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: and some might beprofen or something. Took it and about

1073
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: the time I had dropped one of those like jail caps,

1074
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: I think Adville jail caps, and when they get wet

1075
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: or any moisture, they puff up in they're no good.

1076
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: So I had just picked it up and threw it

1077
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: off the ridge, and I think Brian or Dirk or

1078
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: somebody think, Brian yell, that's the bull, get ready to shoot. Well,

1079
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: I love my gun, but it's a it's a big,

1080
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: single fed three thirty eight edge. It doesn't have bullets

1081
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: in it. The bullets werell in my pocket. I had

1082
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: my scope cover on. I think I had about five

1083
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: seconds to figure out where my bull was, where to

1084
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: get it in the gun, and then that bowl came

1085
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: through the opening. But he came through it too fast,

1086
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: and we all gave our war cries just to stop him.

1087
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: Like that's one thing that will sometimes work. It's not

1088
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: a hunting sound, it's nothing, but you yelled a bull when,

1089
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, right prior to where you need him to

1090
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: because it's gonna take a while for the sound to

1091
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: get there. We've stopped animals a lot right just by

1092
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: a you know, a big yelt across the across the canyon,

1093
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: and that bull did not stop. And it was just like, ah,

1094
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: that was him right. He had been there the whole time.

1095
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: We just never laid eyes on him in the canyon

1096
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: we were in, yeah, a pretty tight you know side canyon.

1097
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: Never seen him and we're like, oh, shoot, and I

1098
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: think Dirk somebody said he's coming back for some crazy reason.

1099
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: His boldie sides. He didn't want to go up that

1100
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: ridge and come. I don't know if he caught our

1101
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: wind off of that, but he comes.

1102
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: Back down and switch backing.

1103
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he comes back down the trailley went up

1104
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: and stops at that gap at four hundred yards. I

1105
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: was able to make a shot and the rest was

1106
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: a long night with a migraine or whatever the heck

1107
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: I had going on. But that was one of those

1108
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: times you know that trust trust the latest knowledge you've got,

1109
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: until you've seen that bowl somewhere else or no, he's

1110
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: out of there, you have to assume he's in that country.

1111
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: You know, the same with the archery seasons like we're

1112
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: in right now. You know, if a bull was seen

1113
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: there somewhere during the rut with cows, you have to

1114
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: assume unless he just gets completely bumped out of the

1115
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: country or moved off somewhere, he's probably still there.

1116
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And one thing that stands out to me

1117
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: is I remember literally like thirty forty five seconds before that,

1118
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: Brian is like that bull that we're looking for is

1119
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: going to be in a patch just like that, and

1120
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 2: that's where he was ended up being.

1121
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just he's holed up there, right, he's super thick. Yeah,

1122
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: recoup from the rut. He's trying to feed without anything

1123
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: seeing him or laying eyes on him. He wants that security.

1124
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's it's a great A great point is

1125
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: that you know, look for those garbage holes. Just what

1126
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: we talked about the guy on the Colorado hunt. Uh,

1127
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: if you're these bulls don't want to be in the

1128
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: in the wide open anymore. Once they're done rutt and

1129
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: once they've kind of given up the pressures too much,

1130
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna drop those cows. And you know,

1131
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: they may still check on them at night, but they're

1132
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: gonna hide the rest of the day. They're not gonna

1133
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: hang out with that heard, you know, twenty four hours

1134
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: a day. Yep. You got to hunt with Dirk a

1135
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: little bit last year on his Utah hunt. Was a

1136
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: pretty special place. Yeah, tell us a little bit about

1137
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: like the bold of cow ratios there and just how

1138
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: you guys, maybe maybe how he hunted it a little

1139
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: bit different than you would a spot where you're dealing

1140
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: with cows and and whatnot.

1141
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that was that was special place. I think

1142
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 2: the bold of cal ratios are like eighty eighty bowls

1143
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: to one cow or something something crazy in there. I

1144
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 2: think for the first three days all we saw were

1145
00:50:54,520 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: bulls and there. Yeah. I think I think Dirk stuck

1146
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: to his guns pretty much of just bugling a lot still,

1147
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: even though I mean, yeah, we we hardly had to

1148
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: get them bugling though, I mean you would they were

1149
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: they were, They were bugling everywhere we went, So just

1150
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: a lot easier, easier on us. There a lot of

1151
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: bugle and to do and but yeah, so then I

1152
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: think once we were dropping down into those holes and

1153
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: knowing where the bulls were, it was just a few

1154
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 2: cow calls and those bulls were headed our way. Again,

1155
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: just super special place. So it's it's not it's not

1156
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: your typical public land, yeah, hunt.

1157
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I don't want to make a

1158
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: correction if you were right, but I believe the whole

1159
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: unit is what eighty to one hundred?

1160
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1161
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah for the but the area that you guys were in,

1162
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: it didn't seem to have a lot of cows in

1163
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: at all, so it might have been eighty to one.

1164
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, it seemed like eighty to one. But yeah,

1165
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: you're right, eighty to.

1166
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: One hundred for the whole the whole area, which ye,

1167
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: which is off the charge. You know, you're you want

1168
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: to be in units with their do you do one hundred?

1169
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: You know? And that's that's pretty dang good hunting you

1170
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: And what it really comes down to is like herd dynamics,

1171
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: and the reason those bulls were so callable is that

1172
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: none of them had opportunities at cows, and some of

1173
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: them are really good bulls, but they just don't have

1174
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: any cows around at that time, or the bigger bulls

1175
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: and they have all the cows. This unit is pretty

1176
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: special too, because a lot of the cows went to

1177
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: a certain part to rut, and so if you were

1178
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: in the higher mountains before those bulls decided they needed

1179
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: to drop down, you were hunting pretty much bulls still

1180
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: at that point.

1181
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was. It was just a special

1182
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 2: part of that unit where where the bulls are all

1183
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: bachelored up and just figuring out, you know, figuring out

1184
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: who's the boss. And we were there early too, so

1185
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: that made a difference as well.

1186
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well I wasn't on that hunt, but I

1187
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: wanted to touch on it a little bit with some

1188
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: different bowl of cow dynamics and and how a unit

1189
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: can change and where, you know, we preach a lot

1190
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, bugle for aggressive you know aggressive bugling for

1191
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: herd bulls. I think in certain units in certain areas,

1192
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, cal caul is all that's needed, or if

1193
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: you find the right bowl cal callings all it's needed.

1194
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it was. It was pretty easy just

1195
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: to let out of calcool and locate them and getting

1196
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: close to them.

1197
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And then aside from that, the hunt that

1198
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: we're on right now, the last time I got to

1199
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 1: n with you was on my Washington twenty two Bowl,

1200
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: which here's a here's a shameless plug. It will be

1201
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: on loopholed Optics's YouTube channel. It's actually airing today, which

1202
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 1: is September nineteenth. But uh, you know, by the time

1203
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: this this episode drops, you can go check that out.

1204
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: And it was a fun hunt. But I would say

1205
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: the lesson that we pulled away from that is the

1206
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: unit we were in was extremely rugged. It's it's some

1207
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: guys may be able to hunt that day in and

1208
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: day out and do it right, but a lot of

1209
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: guys aren't going to be able to go top to bottom,

1210
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: top to bottom multiple times in this unit without burning

1211
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: themselves out. So the game plan, which may seem like

1212
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: some is a lazy plan or a boring way to hunt.

1213
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: But we've been there before, we've hunted it before. We

1214
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: did not put a bunch of effort in. Aside from glassing,

1215
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: we did make a you know, we had a good

1216
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: idea on one decent bowl. We made a little hike

1217
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: in there, so we could see down in, but it

1218
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: wasn't a ton of work. We were trying to stay

1219
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: high and look. We spent a lot of time behind

1220
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: the glass trying to just find the bowl that you

1221
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: wanted to go after. You didn't want to waste energy on,

1222
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, just getting into areas you can, you know,

1223
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,479
Speaker 1: if you could hike to certain points in the unit

1224
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: so you could glass a lot of it. There was

1225
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: a you know, there were one to two mile hikes

1226
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: where you could get into and glass a lot of

1227
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: it without having to drop into it. You can see

1228
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: a lot of these faces. You may just have to

1229
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: change positions over time. And one thing about that unit

1230
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: is those bulls are for the most part, there were

1231
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 1: a few mature bowls with calstill, but the bigger bulls

1232
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: had moved off and then up in that steep stuff

1233
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: a lot of it. There was one herd of cows,

1234
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: but the majority of there are just bowls up there right,

1235
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: so you're most of the elk. You see your bulls

1236
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: up high. The cows are going to stay down low.

1237
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: They can get out the nasty stuff. We were just

1238
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: picking through bulls. We were you know, the day before

1239
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: it was pretty wet and miserable and snowy up there,

1240
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: and we couldn't see great, but when we could, we

1241
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: were spotting lots of elk, you know, ten to twelve

1242
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: out all bowls, you know, fourteen bowls, whatever it may be.

1243
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: But you're really just picking through the bowl that you

1244
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: wanted to go after. And so I think what we

1245
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: got through all the wet the opening day was beautiful,

1246
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 1: we spotted. It was a little windy, but we spotted

1247
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: the bowl we wanted, and then basically halfway through opening morning,

1248
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: the snow and the rain and everything came back in.

1249
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: We spent two and a half days like barely getting

1250
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: looks in the little slivers of country. You know, the

1251
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: wind would blow it out maybe at midday and then

1252
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: it would fog back in. You wouldn't see the rest

1253
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: of the day. So we kind of spent our time.

1254
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: We had found a couple of bulls we kept checking on,

1255
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: like we couldn't tell how good they were, and then

1256
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: finally we're able to find my bowl. The third, fourth

1257
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: night and we were looking at to the spotter, a

1258
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: couple other guys had showed up just kind of like

1259
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: him and haw around, and this is one of those

1260
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, a successful hunt is made up by a

1261
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: whole bunch of decisions that you make along the way.

1262
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 1: And we were sitting there contemplating whether that bowl would

1263
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: be in that spot in the morning or we had

1264
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: two hours a.

1265
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: Day light yeah left, I think, And we were sitting there,

1266
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: him and Han maybe not even two hours.

1267
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't a whole lot of time. And we

1268
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: were sitting there just trying to figure it out. And

1269
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: I heard I don't even remember which one of the

1270
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: guys said it, but somebody said, I know what I

1271
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: would be doing if I had to tag. And that

1272
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: was enough, Like I've got a very competitive spirit. And

1273
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: it's like, well, this guy thinks he could have got

1274
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: down there and shot it. Like, let's go. So we

1275
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: ran back. We all geared up. Our good buddies, Chris

1276
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: Cook and Hunter Cloak were with us, Me and and

1277
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: it was just me and you, right us four and Pete,

1278
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Pete with loopold Yep. We took off and

1279
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: it was as fast as I've ever dropped twenty five

1280
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: hundred feet as fast, and then we the other thing

1281
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: we had to do was keep track of the bowl

1282
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: for ourselves. Is we're going down right? Because we need

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00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: to get ourselves to a spot where we can shoot

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00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: where the face is going to be open. And we

1285
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: get we probably dropped fifteen hundred feet and you had

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00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: your spotter as we're going down. We were able to

1287
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: relocate him. All right, we're good here, Like, get down

1288
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: another five six hundred feetle's relocate him, make sure we're

1289
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: still in the right path. And then we're also doing

1290
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: our thing, like if we get to this point, we

1291
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: should have a shot. But when you're not in a

1292
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: perfect line, there's a lot of guessing that goes on,

1293
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: Like I think it'll be this far of a shot,

1294
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: and then we're even pulling out on X right, if

1295
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: we get on this ridge where we think he is on,

1296
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: his face should be about this far of a shot.

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00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: And I said, I think we made it down there

1298
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: in just a hair over an hour.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably it was.

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00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: It was a fast, fast hike. Yeah, I'm I like

1301
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: to sweat a lot as I hunt anyways, but this

1302
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: was the most I've ever sweated on a down down hill. Yeah, exactly.

1303
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's the ass I've ever lost elevation.

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00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that we we boogeyed on down. Ultimately, that bowl

1305
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: got a little bit tied up behind what I was

1306
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: calling the jack for I remember when in the spot

1307
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: or like he's behind the two jack first, because I

1308
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,959
Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure everybody was on him, whether

1309
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: I could shoot or not. Like, once you're all on him,

1310
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: it just eases the situation, you know, because nobody's waiting,

1311
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: and we got we all got on him, and finally

1312
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: he took a step out to the right. I shot

1313
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: high and and this is crazy steep country and uh

1314
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: I had shot a whole bunch at home leading up

1315
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: to it, very very comfortable at the range, you know,

1316
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: not not a lot of work for my gun. But

1317
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: it was such a boxy straight up and down canyon that, uh,

1318
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the wind was doing.

1319
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: Yea.

1320
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: And I took another shot and hit him and he dropped.

1321
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: And at that point, now you're committed, right shot again.

1322
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: I shot againner two more times and was able to finally,

1323
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, hit him and kill him. But uh, man,

1324
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: it was one of those times where it was a

1325
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: little bit humbling, like no matter how good of a

1326
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: shot I think I am, and I thought the wind

1327
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: was right in our face. There was something crazy going

1328
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: on across the canyon and it was one of those

1329
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: times where I'm glad it worked out as quickly and

1330
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: as ethically as it is. But it really questions like,

1331
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: you know what, you know, what sort of conditions we

1332
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: should be you know, shooting in. But no, the everything

1333
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: worked out great. It was in a spot where the

1334
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: pack out was real, real bad. We did Hunter who

1335
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, Hunter and Chris who grew up there hunt

1336
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: every year. They were a little unsure how we were

1337
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: going to get to him and finding like a trail across,

1338
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: so we decided it was real, real cool outside, so

1339
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: we decided to wait and uh, you know attack in

1340
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: the morning. We're able to find you know, some horses

1341
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: to bring it out, which was awesome. You know, just

1342
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: some of the greatest guys in the in the world

1343
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: just you know, drop what they're doing, you know, just

1344
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: as just as good guys like we just want to

1345
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: be involved. And I think, and this is this sounds

1346
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: super pretentious and it's not meant to be, but they say,

1347
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: guys that were willing to do it. You guys just

1348
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: did deserve to have a bull packed out, you know,

1349
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: And so I think they're like, we want in. Oh yeah,

1350
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: I was I was nervous because they were all heading

1351
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: to Cody Johnson concert. I think that next day they

1352
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: were they knew that their wives had one extra day

1353
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: they could they could haul haul on Elk out, but

1354
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: they needed to be on the road first thing that

1355
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: next morning. But super awesome guys. Really appreciate all their help,

1356
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: and you know, we've had some great Elk hunts together.

1357
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: We're we're all you know, I love your willing to

1358
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: go anywhere. How can people find out a little bit

1359
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: about your photography? Look at your prints, you know, your website,

1360
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: your Instagram and all that stuff.

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01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, my website's just David Frame Photography and all my infos.

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: There gotcha Instagram, Uh.

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01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, David Frame Photo perfect on there as well.

1364
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: Well we're here Elk Camp. We're recording mid day. We're

1365
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: gonna get this wrapped up and then go out and

1366
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: start chasing bugles again. Perfect. All right, thanks thanks for

1367
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: filming following me around, and hopefully in the future we

1368
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: can talk about this episode or this hunts being another

1369
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: successful one we've got to share.

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01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Pelts, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Take care