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Speaker 1: Revere, Revere Dalks. Look at us now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this morning Combat, on this first day of December

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. There's no vacation, there's no Third World

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Speaker 2: stomach virus. It's just BC LT and MK all that

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Speaker 2: you can handle. Welcome everyone, How are you doing to

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Speaker 2: this Wednesday edition of the show? My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I am merely one half of your hosting duo, and

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Speaker 2: I am live and in the flesh here in the

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Speaker 2: capital of Wilstadas Ninos and Washington, DC, joined by the

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Speaker 2: Prince not of Persia like Shaquille Maasaurie, but the Prince

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Speaker 2: of Connecticut. My friend in yours he is Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: We're both from CBS Sports BC. How you doing, big friend,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 3: Hungover off of du drinks last night, but ready to party,

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Speaker 3: ready to mingle, not single at all, but Luke, don't

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Speaker 3: call it a comeback. We've been here for years. This

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Speaker 3: is one of the most anticipated reunions. While we appreciate

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Speaker 3: our many great friends in the business, like Oscar Willis,

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Speaker 3: Karen mulvaney, Dankenobio, the Persian French prince himself, Chequiel Majorie.

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Speaker 3: There ain't nothing like you and me together. And as

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Speaker 3: much as I'm trying to be cool here, Luke, and

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Speaker 3: look a lot like my new spirit animal Bob Marley,

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Speaker 3: I got kind of a young Randy Cotur vibe going

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Speaker 2: Do what you said? Uh, I would say, more like

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think, guess that's better than forty three

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Speaker 2: Did you buy this hat thinking like, if I wear

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Speaker 3: Well ten percent that, but really ninety percent. I have

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Speaker 3: a massive melon, Luke. In most sets sit like a

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Speaker 3: the same Missu with condoms.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I bet, I bet yeah. I'm the same

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Speaker 2: way with buying hats. I'm like this hat. Everyone thinks

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Speaker 2: my hats are just yarmiicas that with bills on them.

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Speaker 2: But because my head is so goddamn huge. So if

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Speaker 3: Well we do look a bit orthodox with that beer though.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, look, as you mentioned off the top of

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Speaker 3: the illness, great to have you back, dude. You had

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Speaker 3: stuff shooting out of many orifices the last eight days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you guys might have remembered, and I think

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Speaker 2: the worst stomach virus I've had since I told you,

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Speaker 2: That was like a third World virus that ran through me.

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Speaker 3: The different the aftermath of that saw you squat over

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Speaker 2: No, no, my dad was the diplomat, so we stated

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a Thanksgiving. I was so sick on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: Tad ask you at all about that rental property in

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Speaker 2: He did, in fact ask about the rental property. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Right, well I I we're back. Is the good news.

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Speaker 2: So I want to thank everyone for sticking around for

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Speaker 2: some the holidays are all was weird because you're kind

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Speaker 2: of on vacation. I'm on vacation. Things happen, but here

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Speaker 3: This world building a huge audio only army. Luke, I

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Speaker 3: believe we just set a record for most podcasts downloads

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Speaker 2: So yes, back to back months. Back to me.

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Speaker 3: I don't like seeing our mugs, that's fine. You can

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Speaker 3: listen to have you seen Shit audio version? I'm sure

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it probably is great to listen to a video

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Speaker 2: centered segment on audio only. All right, So that's out

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Speaker 2: of the way. You can email us because today we

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Speaker 2: will have fan subs. Friday, we will do dead wrong.

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Speaker 4: BC.

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Speaker 2: You were, by the way, probably gonna have an avalanche

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Speaker 3: Bring that shit to me. Okay, I'm ready, let's go.

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Speaker 2: All right. Morning Combat at gmail dot com will of

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Speaker 2: course be the email just for that and Merch Merch,

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Speaker 2: Merch merch. If you want to buy underwear with me

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Speaker 2: and Brian going tip to tip on the ass of it,

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Speaker 2: and by the way, that is a literal thing that

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Speaker 2: I saw that on there. I'm like, BC, I can't

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I don't think that code is active. That

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Speaker 3: to our fine new merchman RJ. Dunklemaker, and he told me, Luke,

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Speaker 3: the Monday Cyber Monday deal that we had is extended.

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Speaker 3: It's still going on right now. So if you spend

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Speaker 3: We gave out some free drug rugs on Monday to

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Speaker 3: the Malka facility went out. But hey, we're back from that, Luke.

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Speaker 3: People can get our merchin. Look. I don't tell my dad,

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Speaker 3: but I bought him though that underwear. Well, okay, I

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Speaker 3: didn't pay for it, let's be fair, but I got

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Speaker 3: him that underwear for Christmas. You should get the same

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Speaker 3: for Rob Thomas. I'm telling you it'd be fun. Luke,

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Speaker 3: it'd be a nice little heartwarming moment. Look at that.

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Speaker 3: He may not have supported us a lot, but if

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned fansubs, we'll do a little bit later.

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Speaker 2: Shack and as well as with with with the Brian Canibbio.

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Speaker 2: How you pronounce his last name Canabio Kenobio.

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Speaker 2: But in either case, they do have familiarity with each other.

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Speaker 2: do you want to do this? And everything was a copasetic.

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Speaker 2: This is an excellent contest because here you have two

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Speaker 2: That's what that I totally agree with you, And I

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Speaker 2: He lost his UFC debut to Maga med Mustafaia, but

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Speaker 2: Now we know Bobby Green's really good. What I mean

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Speaker 2: But what I mean to say is they have had

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I love the way you say

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Speaker 3: moose diayav. It's very you know Palpatine of you go

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Speaker 3: that out of the way to properly handicap Because this

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Speaker 2: No, I definitely have. I think I've picked against Shane Young.

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Speaker 3: I said in a big fight. I did, I did,

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Speaker 2: Kay Kr France has been in some big fights. I

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Speaker 3: There any chance you heard me say that about eight

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Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on. So I would say that to

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Speaker 3: Either of us had the odds, the betting odds in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, fair enough. I'm just pointing out I like

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Speaker 3: Now, would you say this weekend that MMA wise, that

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Speaker 2: No, that is not the fight I'm most looking forward to.

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Speaker 2: Bellator putting quite literally. It's best foot forward in terms

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Speaker 3: Well let me ask you something we didn't get to.

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Speaker 3: Luke will can hit up already. You know, could the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we know the rule. Yeah, I would say it's

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Speaker 2: That part, to me is still a little bit missing,

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Speaker 2: I like you that you bring it up. We shouldn't

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Speaker 2: Tao Fema was disclosing all kinds of crazy shit before

433
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Speaker 2: his fight, and most of us just ignored it, including

434
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,560
Speaker 2: me and you and then you see, oh shit, that

435
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,640
Speaker 2: actually stuff kind of matters, So we'll have to pay

436
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Speaker 2: attention to it. But I would not say that it

437
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,280
Speaker 2: is automatically one of those things where I'm like, red flag,

438
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,440
Speaker 2: it's bad. You can't lose sight of this. This is

439
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,159
Speaker 2: first and foremost it's real. But it may not be

440
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Speaker 2: any kind of a deciding factor given his age and

441
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 2: given some of the time off, and obviously some of

442
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Speaker 2: the other pedigree that we know from him.

443
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Speaker 3: You know, the weird symmetry combat wise this weekend, Luke,

444
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 3: We're gonna get into the boxing in a second, but

445
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,040
Speaker 3: we got two lightweight boxing title main events on separate

446
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 3: networks that really speak to where we are in the

447
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 3: overall title picture, especially fresh off of the Tao Fema

448
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 3: Lopez upset. But then in m Hey, we've got two

449
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 3: different promotions on separate networks with two very big bantam

450
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 3: weight bouts and the champion on one side, Sergio Pettis,

451
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Speaker 3: who's won four in a row, just won the title.

452
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Speaker 3: In his speaking, his last loss came against Rob Fond,

453
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Speaker 3: who's in the main event on the other side. So

454
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of cross pollination loop in here. There

455
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,919
Speaker 3: really is very West Virginia Mountain Mama.

456
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Speaker 2: John Denver, God bless him. Yeah.

457
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Speaker 1: No.

458
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Speaker 2: The at this point, when you've got a Friday and

459
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Speaker 2: a Saturday night, both being headlined in two different organizations

460
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Speaker 2: and two different parts of the country, and either of

461
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Speaker 2: the winners has a claim to being the best of

462
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 2: bantam weight, it tells you a lot about that strength

463
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 2: of that division and how but just even more than that,

464
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Speaker 2: how important that division is for MMA promoters at this point.

465
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Speaker 2: It's really quite an interesting showcase for me, Though'll be

466
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Speaker 2: see the last one on my list before we get

467
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Speaker 2: to yours. Again. We're not saying it's the one that

468
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 2: you have to like the most or anybody else, but

469
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Speaker 2: it's one I've got my eye on. So I mentioned

470
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Speaker 2: the Hore Gucci and Peedis and Ridel versus viziav More

471
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Speaker 2: and O versus Gaul, Alex Taken on Mickey Gall. This

472
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 2: will be on the UFC card. I gotta tell you

473
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Speaker 2: this is a really interesting one.

474
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Speaker 1: Now.

475
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Speaker 2: Gaul started the UFC three wins in a row, I

476
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 2: think over a Punk North Cut and Mike Jackson. But

477
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 2: since then he's been up and down and all over

478
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Speaker 2: the place, and he had the terrible loss to Diego

479
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 2: Sanchez and he had the kidney issues. And dude, gotta

480
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 2: remember this, he's been in the UFC for five years.

481
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 2: For five years. If you are going to show the

482
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 2: kind of progress that you need to show, where five

483
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 2: years after your entrance you're ready to beat the Alex

484
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 2: Moreno types, Yeah, this is quite literally the time to

485
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Speaker 2: do that. In the case of Moreno, he has been

486
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Speaker 2: a guy under the steady tutelage of say said at

487
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Speaker 2: a four to seven m a where he has been

488
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Speaker 2: kind of steadily knocking at the door, always making improvements,

489
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Speaker 2: steadily knocking at the door of getting bigger and bigger wins.

490
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Speaker 2: And he is finally beginning to do that. In the

491
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Speaker 2: case of Mickey Gall, I actually think Moreno. I don't

492
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Speaker 2: know what the odds are. I would imagine Moreno is

493
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Speaker 2: favored to win this one. Let's double check that here

494
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: if I can. Yes, he is pretty considerably. Caesar Sportsbook

495
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: has him as a minus two thirty to a plus

496
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 2: one ninety for Mickey Gall. But Moreno has been one

497
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 2: of those guys who hasn't had a lot of fanfare,

498
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: who has been in the trenches, who has been working

499
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 2: really hard and has pieced together. I would actually argue

500
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: a pretty nice game at this point. But Mickey Gall,

501
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: maybe he's finally ready to take off and we're gonna

502
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 2: see again who's coming, who's going, who's got the better

503
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: game at this point. It's actually a pretty interesting little

504
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 2: scrap there on the prelim card.

505
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it does. It's buried out of there on

506
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Speaker 3: the prelims, and it does promise action and the potential

507
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 3: for some desperation because they can both use a big win.

508
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know where Gaul is. I love

509
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: watching him. You know, he's a little bit corny, but

510
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 3: he's also from the very beginning had big balls and

511
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 3: sort of wanted big challenges. I think he was a

512
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 3: victim of his own early success because it came against

513
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 3: a pro wrestler, a videographer, and another guy who probably

514
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 3: got a little bit too much attention and success too

515
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: early in stage North cut that inevitably, you know, Gall

516
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: got a little bit probably too big for himself. But

517
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Speaker 3: it's not like he's a washout or a bus necessarily.

518
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 3: I mean, he has alternated wins and losses in his

519
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 3: last five since that original three pack of wins that

520
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: you mentioned, so It's like he's shown such equal good

521
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: and bad in that stretch that it's really hard to know.

522
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: I know there's injuries, as you reference, it's really hard

523
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 3: to know if he can still be that guy. He's

524
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 3: still freaking young as.

525
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Speaker 2: Crap, right, Luke, who Mickey Gall? Yeah, he he, Mickey Gall,

526
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Speaker 2: I think is I'm gonna say twenty nine. Let me

527
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 2: see if I can yep, twenty nine years of age, Alex,

528
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: there's thirty one.

529
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Speaker 3: It's time. It's time to go for him. It's time

530
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Speaker 3: to go and look, Morono brings it. You know you're not.

531
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Speaker 3: You only gonna get so much credit for mopping up

532
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: a wash cowboy, although we tend to have give Connor

533
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: a lot of credit for that. But you know he's

534
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 3: common too. So yeah, let's see this, Luke. I'm interested

535
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 3: in the three fights that you have targeted, certainly, and

536
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: obviously we want to watch the shit out of font

537
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 3: although anything, yes.

538
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Speaker 2: Of course, I mean I could have eased. I just

539
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: didn't want to put two main events on my list

540
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Speaker 2: of three. One other note here though, by the way,

541
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Speaker 2: we see before we transition to your list, Mickey Gall

542
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: started fighting in the UFC in February of twenty sixteen,

543
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: and Alex Moreno started fighting in the UFC in January

544
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: of twenty sixteen, so pretty close time. Since then, Moreno

545
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 2: has had I think fourteen or fifteen fights in the UFC,

546
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: Mickey Gall just nine, so he's been more active. And

547
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: in his last two fights he'd beat Don Serrooni and

548
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 2: than David Zuwada as you indicated, so he's got two

549
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: wins to his name. Every time he went up before

550
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 2: against Petties, Cass Williams, Jordan Meh and he lost. It

551
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: looks like he's trying to actually be like, oh no,

552
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 2: I'm not the guy who every time he steps up

553
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: he loses. And I don't know if Mickeygall qualifies in

554
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: the same level of even a Wash Seroni in that sense,

555
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 2: but you get what I'm saying. He's trying to turn

556
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: this corner in his career put three wins together in

557
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: the UFC. He has one of those previously, but against

558
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: some names that folks been I recognized able Max Griffin

559
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: would be one of them. But you get the idea.

560
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: They've been in the UFC the exact almost the exact

561
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: same amount of time. Who has done more with the

562
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: time that they've been there. We're gonna find out on Saturday.

563
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 3: We're gonna find out.

564
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 4: Have you peeped? Uh?

565
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 3: What's the guy's new rap CD that's out there? That

566
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 3: Ariel's got a hard on from here to Hanover? About

567
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: you see that ship?

568
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 2: I did not.

569
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: Bryce Mitchell. Is that the guy's name?

570
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: Uh?

571
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: Oh oh? Didn't he have some mixtape or something?

572
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 4: Yeah?

573
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: I just said that.

574
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: I know.

575
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: No, you said an album or something and it's not

576
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: quite the same.

577
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. All right, Well it'll take us a while to

578
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 3: get back into Luke. We've been gone for a while here.

579
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: Just listen, just lick my balls and we'll be fine.

580
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll keep doing that, all right, Luke. You know

581
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: usually when when when you go high, I ask if

582
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: you have any extra I can join you. But in

583
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 3: this case, Luke, I try to go load offset that.

584
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 3: So here are maybe some under the radar ones that

585
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: made me poplic Beltro two seventy two, of course is

586
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: Friday night only on Showtime, and we do have Sergio

587
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 3: Pettis versus Kyoji Jorgucci. Can't wait to see it. I

588
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: like Emmanuel Sanchez also coming back in that Coleman against

589
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: Jeremy Kennedy. Well, Luke buried on this undercard. I don't

590
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: know if we need to remember how Tommy Hinsen had

591
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 3: Tommy points. We need to call these BC specials, these

592
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: these prelim undercard bouts that have me tuning in early, Luke.

593
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: In a one hundred and sixty pound catchway about the

594
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: alpha ginger is back. Spike Carlyle will make his belatour

595
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 3: debut against the Dan Murrett, who's won two in a

596
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 3: row beat Goichi Yamauchi. Coming in kind of hot there, Luke.

597
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: You remember Spike Carlisle was one of the early stars

598
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: of the pandemic for UFC. He's got the red corn rows.

599
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 3: He's in great physical shape and he fights like he's

600
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: uh on a shitload adderall and uh, Luke, He's like

601
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: those remember like playing pickup ball in your early twenties,

602
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 3: and there'd be those guys who come on the court

603
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 3: and they can do flashy as shit crossovers and they

604
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: look like, oh crap, this guy can can ball. But

605
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: then they have like no defense and they can't shoot,

606
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 3: and they're really.

607
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: Just yeah, dude, He's he's an and one MMA fighter exactly.

608
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: He looks the part in every category and he makes

609
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 3: fun fight. He also typically gasses himself out. He had

610
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: that war with our friend of the show, Billy Q

611
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: right here. But Luke, I'm interested to see he's won

612
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: three in a row in three separate regional organizations since

613
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: being cut by the UFC. You remember he won as

614
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: UFC debut lost too in a row. So this will

615
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: be interesting because we always say, if you're a colorful character,

616
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: and maybe you're a little limited, or maybe we don't

617
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 3: know how good you are. Sometimes belator is the right

618
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: spot for you. With the type of matchmaking you can

619
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 3: get to find out how good you are while still

620
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: showcasing the weirdness that you bring, the must see that

621
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: you bring. And to be fair, even Valerie Laredo's in

622
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: this category. To be fair, Luke, right when she shows

623
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: up on prelimbs, We're like, all right, we got to

624
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 3: see it. I gotta see this Spike Carlisle return there,

625
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: all right, Yeah.

626
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: Actually I saw. I don't know which one of them

627
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: I saw, but I recently saw one of his fights

628
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: since being bounced from the UFC. I think it was

629
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: one of his more recent ones, and he looked a

630
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: lot sharper. He looked like he had made some improvements,

631
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: but it's still looks like that DNA of his to

632
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: just barbary in his way through a fight. A lot

633
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: of that is still in play. You one time called

634
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: him I think something that is that pretty accurate, which

635
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: is wasn't an insult. It was actually a compliment of

636
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: the way he fights, which is you called him like

637
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 2: the and this is what you would call someone in boxing.

638
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: And you called him a TV fighter, right, someone you

639
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: know you can put on TV and it's just reliably

640
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: action oriented. You're gonna get that probably with spark Card.

641
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: I mean, he's kind of like me in front of

642
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: a microphone. Not only do we both hold it like

643
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: a grudge, but he comes to win. He goes for it,

644
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 3: whether he belongs there or not, or whether he's making

645
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: the right choices or not. He's common, Luke, So that's

646
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: fun to watch. Let's go over to the UFC Fight

647
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: Night card, another BC special to Circle and I know, Luke,

648
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: you're gonna go, oh, BC, I know why you like

649
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: this fighter? Well, Luke, tell me, tell me. Shyann bezes

650
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: and must see TV every single time. She just had

651
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: a COVID setback, which knocked her out of that Loma,

652
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: Luke boone me fight. But she's back on this undercard,

653
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: buried in the prelims women's strawweights against Mallory Martin and Luke.

654
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: The two times that we've seen Cheyenne, she had that

655
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: fight with Monsrat where she threatened to follow that bitch

656
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: home right, and then the second time she gets a

657
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: violent and aggressive, nasty win, and I think it's on

658
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: the microphone. It gets real with us about fighter pay

659
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: and about the life that she had. Certainly she had

660
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 3: virtually doubled down on her finances and it was win

661
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: or go home, and she had got the fifty K

662
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: bonus that night, didn't Somebody tweet that she that she

663
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: petitioned the UFC to get her last name changed.

664
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Speaker 4: Luke does that?

665
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: I think? Yeah? I think? I think did she split

666
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: with her husband because her name is now what her

667
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: maiden name was, which was like LEAs Valias.

668
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't want to. I don't want

669
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: to pedal, uh you know, uh get grocery store line,

670
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: tabloid type stuff here. I don't know their relationship. He

671
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: hasn't shown up on her ig. They tell me. In

672
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: a while, Luke you know, I've I'm certainly not following her.

673
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: Am I uh, Listmas, Listmas.

674
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: She's fun to watch. I don't know how how good

675
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 3: she is because of the level of competition so far.

676
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: She's what one on one in the UFC, but she's

677
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: hungry and goes after it. And if I'm gonna circle

678
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: it on the calendar for a BC special, you better

679
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: believe there's a fighter that's coming for it. She's one

680
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 3: of those. Should be an interesting matchup against Mallory Martin.

681
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: And finally, Luke, you know, I'm souring on my former

682
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: taste for old guy fights, but it is a little

683
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: bit interesting that on this UFC Man Card and Lightweight

684
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: about Clay Gweda versus Leonardo Santos can bind age in

685
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: this one, Luke eighty as.

686
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: Wow. Seriously, I knew Santos was old.

687
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: He's forty one one. I want to see Clay Gweda

688
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: keep taking headshots. Maybe not, but Luke, he does come,

689
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: he does call him right, he brings it, so you know,

690
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: if the veteran in the game only has a few

691
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: more and he's fresh off that split decision lost to

692
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: Marco Madison in which he pushed the pace He's been

693
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: competitive during the squirelight of his career. He is fun

694
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: to watch, Luke, So I'll be circling those three come

695
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: Friday and Saturday night.

696
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: Dude, Leonardo Santos is an unbelievable guy. He took the

697
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: bronze at ADYCC ready for this BC in two thousand

698
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: and one, in two thousand and one, and this fucker

699
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: is still out here. His resume is unbelievable. Right, So

700
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: he beat William Maccario back in Whenever the Fuck twenty

701
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: thirteen Norman Park, he had to draw him. Twenty fourteen,

702
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: he beat Efrayen Escudero. Then he beat Anthony Rocco Martin

703
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: who just got arrested for allegedly peeing on the floor

704
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: of a casino in Vegas. Yeah, then don't you remember

705
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: this in.

706
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: Twenty five Falls from Grace, Good Lord, I.

707
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: Don't know what happened there. And then he remember he

708
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: knocked out Kevin Lee. Do you remember that in twenty

709
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: fifteen that came out of nowhere? You knew he had

710
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: like sick jiu jitsu, right because he was like Aldo's

711
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: coach for a time and longtime friend. And then he

712
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: beat Adriano martinz then Stevie Ray, and you're like, okay,

713
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: but the Stevie Ray fight was three years after the

714
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: Martinz fight. He fought once in twenty twenty. He beat

715
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: Roman Bogatov and the dude who got kicked out of

716
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: UC for kicking everyone in the balls forever, and then

717
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: he lost to Grant Dawson in the third round of

718
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: his return fight forty one. Still out here doing. He's

719
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: got one UFC loss, and he's been competing since twenty thirteen.

720
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: Because it's been so infrequent due to injury and everything

721
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: else that's going on, He's had a really unusual run

722
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: in the UFC.

723
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: Very unusual. Yeah, so it's a weird fight, but I'll

724
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: be tuned in. I'll be watching it. Fun, fun weekend

725
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: plans here from May Luke. I'm looking forward to it,

726
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: even though I've got a wedding to go to this weekend,

727
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: so i won't be on the ones and twos on Saturday.

728
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a shame. But nevertheless, real quickly on that one.

729
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: By the way, do you see Diego Sanchez as like

730
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: the worst bout of COVID and he's in the hospital.

731
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: I did not see that.

732
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: You did not see this. Yeah, I have to send

733
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: you this stuff speaking of old guy fights because we

734
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: had a clig leader. But Diego's been in the hospital

735
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: for like thirty days at this point. He has pneumonia,

736
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: blood clots like the whole nine yards like it got

737
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: he got fucked up off of it. So I hope

738
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: he's okay. Yeah, no, of course, I mean, who wouldn't

739
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: want to wish anything bad on him? I hope he's okay,

740
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: But Jesus, all right. Topic number two this weekend is

741
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: not just UFC, It's not just belat Or. Boxing is back.

742
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: In fact, show time pay per view boxing is back

743
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: where Javonte Davis, who was supposed to take on Rolando

744
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: Ramia before these terrible sexual assault allegations were lobbied. He

745
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: gets removed and they bring in Esock Cruse. Now we

746
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: have talked about this fight when I first got made BC.

747
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: We were I think at the Canelo fight, I think

748
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: when all of this went down. Esock Cruse is an

749
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: incredible guy, come forward, brawler, in your face, the whole

750
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: nine yards, but he's only got a month to prepare.

751
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: On the other side of things, this is where I

752
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: want to start with UBC what do you make of

753
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: Dravante at twenty six years of age, not kicking out

754
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: but putting longtime trainer Calvin Ford to the side. Now,

755
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: who he brought in maybe one of the guys I

756
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: respect most in boxing, Washington, DC's own Barry Hunter and

757
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: along with the midholder their boogie Patrece Harris, they brought

758
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: him in as well. Why did they do that? And

759
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: what do you make of it?

760
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: You know, I don't have the official story because when

761
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: I did host for Showtime in LA, the original press

762
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: conference for this on the roof deck of the Staples Center,

763
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: both Calvin Ford and Barry Hunter were there. And now, look,

764
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: those are two OG's in the training game, one from Baltimore,

765
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 3: one from DC. You know they've crossed pollinated before. But

766
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: you did see in All Access that there was the

767
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: official change being made with Ford taking a step back

768
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 3: and Hunter as the lead role. Look, Hunter's resume is

769
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: as good as anyone in this boxing game historically, from

770
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: the Peterson Brothers beyond. In fact, he was just brought

771
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: in by Sean Porter in the Terrence Crawford fight. And

772
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: you can see how different in really really Luke, I

773
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: didn't talk about this because I was away, but that

774
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: performance by Sean Porter and a loss was some of

775
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: the best stuff he's ever lost, some of the best

776
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: he's ever looked in his entire career. That's telling you

777
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: what you need to know about Barry Hunter. Gravante explained

778
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: it away in the first episode of All Excess is

779
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 3: sort of being Look, we just want to keep adding

780
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 3: on to what he's his. You know, his evolution as

781
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: a fighter has been and it's smart in my eyes.

782
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's any further detail. Hopefully that

783
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: can get ironed out or in flesh, you know, during

784
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: fight week we can figure it out. But this is

785
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 3: a unique event. It's a Sunday night pay per view.

786
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 3: Once again, it's becoming a unique event whenever Gvonte fights

787
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: because Luke say what you will about him, and yes

788
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: he's had multiple missteps outside the ring, he is becoming,

789
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: you know, a true celebrity fan favorite, meaning when he fights,

790
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 3: whether it's Atlanta, Baltimore, you know, now Staple Center, wherever

791
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: the crowds show up, the celebrities line the front rows,

792
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: and he delivers big time knockouts. But I think lost

793
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: in that Luke is he's a way better boxer and

794
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: really complete fighter. Then he gets credit. Now, he's had

795
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: a lot of things against him that I think is

796
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: held back giving him some of the pound for pound

797
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: credit that I think he lacks. Let's be honest here, Luke,

798
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: when you come up and you're the star of the

799
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: Floyd Mayweather promotion, you're gonna get sort of snarled at.

800
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: Oh oh oh, they think you're the next Floyd. You

801
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: think you're the next Floyd. No one's the next Floyd.

802
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: So that's that one against him. Let's be fair. He

803
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: was young and immature. Twenty seventeen, he's done the maymac

804
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: Co main event. He loses his title on the scales.

805
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: He fights a maddingly frustrating fight before getting a light stoppage.

806
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 3: He's had some of those hiccups, including some of the

807
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: early matchmaking where he was only fighting smaller fighters. Moving up,

808
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: we want to see him against the best. But Luke,

809
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: what he's done in the past year and a half.

810
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 3: He's been in three title fights in three different weight

811
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: classes and had stoppage wins in all of them, including

812
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 3: a knockout of the year against Leo Santa Cruz and

813
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: a thrilling fight which you see the pictures right there

814
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: against unbeaten Mario Barrios this spring, in which Javonte moved

815
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: off to a weight class he's never fought before. I think, Luke,

816
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: there's a few different storylines at play here, and one

817
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: of them is something we already established that as much

818
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: as Roly Romero can maybe sel a fight with his mouth,

819
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: and we do know he has legit power, he's raw

820
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 3: as shit, and they were not really taking him all

821
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: that seriously. They know that Pitbull cruise isak is an upgrade.

822
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 3: They know they need to take him seriously. This guy

823
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: has is it, hasn't lost in eighteen straight fights. He

824
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 3: comes to fight, he's durable, he's tough. He's also pretty smart.

825
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: So this is a better fight than the first one.

826
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 3: And I'm wondering, Slash. I don't want to say hoping,

827
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: but you know, I want Jervonte to get his due

828
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: when he's in the police blodder. It's gonna set back

829
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: the way people think and talk about him. But Luke,

830
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: I I just put out yesterday my updated boxing pompfer

831
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: pound list on CBS Sports, and I have my number ten,

832
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: and I think sometimes, you know, the eye test can

833
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: mean a little bit more than accomplishments or or what

834
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: have you. This guy's fighting in different way classes all

835
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: the time. He's knocking people the hell out, but he

836
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 3: can really box his head movement. His defense is IQ.

837
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: I know he hasn't been pushed late too often, but

838
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: the last few times we've seen it, man, he has thrived. Luke,

839
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: he's among the best fighters in this game, and I

840
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 3: think he'll have a good chance against Esak Cruse to

841
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: prove that because Cruse is common. Brother, you know that.

842
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you watch the All Access, Davis says,

843
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: and a lot of times fighters say this when this

844
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: happens when their proponent falls out and they get a replacement, like, oh,

845
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: this one's even better. But what he said was, this

846
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: guy's actually tougher than Romero. Let me be clear here,

847
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: Esa Cruz is a better fighter than Rolando Romero, and

848
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 2: by a considerable margin. Like if Cruz and Romero were fighting,

849
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: I would pick Cruz to win ten times out of ten.

850
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: He doesn't have some of the same open kind of

851
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: flash that Romero does, and as BC indicated, certainly is

852
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: not going to be the kind of force on the

853
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: microphone that Romero can sometimes be in his own weird way.

854
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 2: But when it comes time to box, I actually think

855
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: he would demolish Romero. To be quite candid with you, dude,

856
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: he's a tough out. He is a tough out. He

857
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: has a one loss early in his career. I think

858
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: it's like eighth fight. He was still getting his feet

859
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: under him, and since then he's been an absolute bulldozer.

860
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: He's really short for the weight class, even by you know,

861
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: class that doesn't have big people, and you'll notice he

862
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: has this le weird tendency BC he gets super low

863
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 2: even though he is already short, and his opponents don't

864
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: know what to do about it because they can't match

865
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: his level. When they try to lower, he uppercuts them

866
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: into the words of Ken Shamrock, Living Death. And then

867
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: if they try to stand, he has this endless series

868
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 2: of overhands, so it doesn't matter what elevation you pick,

869
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: he's in your face, pushing you backwards, and he has

870
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: all kinds of really heavy weapons. He's heavy handed, he

871
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 2: has good cardio, he has come forward. Dude, like Tank

872
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: Davis has a fight on his hands. But to your point,

873
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: if everything we're saying about Tank Davis is true, and

874
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: we will see. But what we think about him as

875
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: being true is not just heavy handed, but having a

876
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: very high boxing IQ. The only thing I worry about BC,

877
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: I wonder where you come down on this is if

878
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: he's in shape and if he's well trained. These are ifs.

879
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: I think that Davis will win, probably by stoppage and

880
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: somewhere in the middle to late parts of that fight.

881
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: But what I do worry about is sometimes a guy

882
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: like Davis has been accused of taking rounds off here

883
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: or there or cruising in fights. Dude, if he does

884
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: that shit against Esac Cruse, he is going to be

885
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: in for a rude awakening.

886
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: True or false, Absolutely true, And this is why this

887
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: fight's more compelling and more interesting. The Romero fight was

888
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: gonna be a car wreck, somebody's going down. It was

889
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: probably gonna be Rolye. But the hook was that he's

890
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: gonna come to win. Will he sat Cruz, as you mentioned,

891
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: comes to win in his own way. Look, he's going

892
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: to get inside on Dravante and he's got a awkward,

893
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: quasi unorthodox style, but he makes it work for himself.

894
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 3: You know, I've after his last fight, I said something

895
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 3: that that fans got upset about saying on it. Maybe

896
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 3: the wording doesn't come more off right, But I said

897
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: he saw Cruise fights like an asshole, and I mean

898
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 3: that like he fights in a way that you're like, oh,

899
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: no way, this guy can pull this style off. But

900
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 3: he does. Like you said, he ducks down very low.

901
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: He will be busy in huge flurries of stretches to

902
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: get inside on you. He's gonna back Dravonte up, but

903
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: obviously comes down to whether he can take Dravonte's power.

904
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: But he's gonna put that pressure on, which is really

905
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: gonna test Dravonte's gas tank. He's only been deep in

906
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: fights twice. Look really, Dravonte went twelve with Gamboa and

907
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: finished him in the last round, and then he went

908
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 3: what like eleven with Mario Barrios. He hasn't been pushed

909
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: that deep because of that power. Now he's fighting bigger,

910
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: more durable guys. This is gonna be an interesting test.

911
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: Cruz can box enough to where if he can consistently

912
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: back Dravonte up, and the key will be volume because

913
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: Dravonte is one of those smart counterpunchers. There's a little

914
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: bit of Canelo in them. You wouldn't compare Dravonte and

915
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 3: Canelo's style across the board. But there's a little Canelo

916
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: in him where he's a very efficient guy who picks

917
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: his shots, doesn't wigt shots. That can be a plus

918
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: when you're landing. What if he's not landing, what if

919
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: Cruz is getting in outworking him. That's where things can

920
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: get interesting on the cards, especially if it can go

921
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: that far. But this is going to be a fun fight.

922
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 3: It's very rare, very very rare. You get an upgrade

923
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: when somebody drops out.

924
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 4: You know.

925
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: The one we always reference is when Lennox Lewis in

926
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 3: his last fight in two thousand and three, Who's gonna

927
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: fight Kevin Johnson? I think he got sick or whatever.

928
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 3: They subbed in Vitaliti Clitchko. We had one of the greatest,

929
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: most batchit crazy heavyweight title fights of all time. It's

930
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: rare that you get that upgrade. We got it here.

931
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: But Luke the larger title picture because.

932
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about that. I was

933
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: going to ask you about that. Let me let me,

934
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: let me pitch it to you, because I really want

935
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: to hear what you have to say about this. So

936
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: there's a couple of things in Motion one, Lopez lost

937
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: to Cambos So I'm sure you guys covered it in

938
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: great detail on Monday, but that is now a thing,

939
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: and so the division has been absolutely turned on its head.

940
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: One of the other belt holders, the WBA holder is

941
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: Gervante Davis. That belt will in fact be on the

942
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: line here against.

943
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: The secondary title, the regular title.

944
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: The You know, I can't keep track of this shit anymore,

945
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: but there is.

946
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 4: Just just a quickly update.

947
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: Uh. Cambosos has three titles, the IBF, the WBA, and

948
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 3: the WBO. He has the franchise version of the WBC

949
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: because the promotion bodies are a bunch of crooks, and

950
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: Devin Haney, who's also in action, has the official WBC one.

951
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: Gravante has the WBA regular one.

952
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let me ask this now. This may

953
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: not happen if Cruz wins. If Cambosis and Cruz win

954
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: in consecutive weekends, the division is nothing what we thought

955
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: it to be because we were talking about the four

956
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: princes here. But assuming for just a second that Hany

957
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: wins against Jojo, and assuming that Davis wins against Cruise,

958
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: give me, in your sense, the lay of the land

959
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: now that Cambosas did what he did.

960
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote a piece again, a different piece yesterday

961
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 3: for CBS Sports that was essentially looking at the biggest

962
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: boxing storylines this weekend, which is essentially what we're doing

963
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: right here. To me, the number one storyline, Luke is

964
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 3: who's gonna win the George Camboso's Junior Sweepstakes? And who

965
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: would have ever thought we would have been saying that?

966
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 3: But you mentioned the four Princes what our friend Karen

967
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 3: mulvaney calls Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney, Teo Femo and Gervante,

968
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: These four lightweight studs that aren't fighting each other because

969
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 3: of politriics. Yet here's this guy in Camboso's formally on

970
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: Harold Died, who is a promotional free agent, a network

971
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: free I'm sorry, our network free agent in the US,

972
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: promoted by Loudabella, who's like now bridging the gap. He's

973
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: the hot chick at the dance that everybody wants. He's

974
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 3: got three or four belts. So you have to ask yourself,

975
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: is Gervonte Davis versus he sat Cruz on Sunday and

976
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: Devin Haney defending his WBC lightweight title in a very

977
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: good fight on his own on Saturday against Joseph Diaz Junior.

978
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 3: Are they sort of auditioning for the chance to swoop

979
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: in there and get that payday. It's gonna be up

980
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 3: to Cambosis in the end to choose. Everyone's gonna load

981
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: up the truck right and bring the big money offerr

982
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: But you have to wonder who can look the best,

983
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: who can come out of here. Cambosos has already said

984
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: Hani has the slight edge, and look, because he has

985
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 3: the WBC title. I wonder if he does have the

986
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: slight edge. Because if you're Cambosos and you have a

987
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 3: chance to fight for like the undisputed championship, you may

988
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: end up doing that. But I think it's gonna come

989
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: down to money. That's what this game is. Cambosos is

990
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 3: an opportunist. He got his big opportunity with the performance

991
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: of a lifetime. Let's keep that in mind. Does these

992
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: two fights come together this weekend to see who has

993
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: a chance to sort of win that. Ryan Garcia, of

994
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: course tweeted that he wants Cambosis. Even my guy sho

995
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 3: Chris Stevenson said he's willing to move up and wait

996
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: a third time in fight for those titles, but this

997
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: is gonna be a fun boxing weekend. In the storylines

998
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: are connected to last week, Luke, how fired up are

999
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: you about seeing Devin haneiback Because last time out, which

1000
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: I think was around May or June, we saw him

1001
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 3: against former champion Jorge Lenaris, and that was supposed to

1002
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: be the big step up fight for this twenty three

1003
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 3: year old phenom who has every skill you would want.

1004
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: He had fought Gamboa the fight before, he had won

1005
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 3: a boring decision. The pressure was on him to look

1006
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: good and I had to kind of look this up

1007
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 3: to remember it because there's been so many great fights

1008
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: this year. Haney dominated that fight against Lenaris for nine

1009
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: and a half rounds, got rocked, and then he was

1010
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 3: holding on for dear life until the final bell. He

1011
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: left that arena to a trail of booze. I can't

1012
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: figure out heading into this fight, Luke, is that an

1013
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 3: aberration was at him trying to be too offensive to

1014
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: make a statement, or do we have potential chin issues

1015
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: on this can't miss five star you know prospects, so

1016
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: to speak.

1017
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: I tend to think you know chin issues. I don't.

1018
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: I don't know yet. I don't know yet. I guess

1019
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: we'll see. I had a similar feeling though, which is

1020
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's chin or I don't know

1021
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: if it's composure under fire, but something goes wrong when

1022
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: he gets hit, when he gets hit. Lopez, to his credit,

1023
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: he fought the worst fight I've ever seen him fight,

1024
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: but he kind of stood in there a little bit

1025
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: for twelve rounds with George. I mean, George was You

1026
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: can't say George Cambosis wasn't landing on Lopez. He was

1027
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: landing on him for twelve fucking dropped him in the

1028
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: first for crying out lad so uh in that.

1029
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: Sense, we say he put Lopez underwater?

1030
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 4: Right?

1031
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: Is there some sort of joke there?

1032
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: Just stay in the obvious, keep it going.

1033
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean the point I'm trying to make

1034
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: here is he's at least sort of proven to be

1035
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more durable when he has to be.

1036
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: Even in the losing contest. Hainey looks to me like

1037
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: he likes to be not so much the bully, but

1038
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: I want to be the one in control, which is fine.

1039
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: All fighters want to be that way if at all possible,

1040
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: but that when the control begins to slip, he goes

1041
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: into a near panic mode of control or you know what,

1042
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: wrapping up, keeping distance, moving away, like not engaging the

1043
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: fight in the same way that he was previously with

1044
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: the same kind of risk assessment, which again some change

1045
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: is going to be in order, but it seems like

1046
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: an over correction every time. So yeah, I do think

1047
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: there is at least a question in my mind. I

1048
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: don't have a declaration about it, but a question in

1049
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: my mind about how he handles composure when the when

1050
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 2: the opponent has their way for different moments in a fight.

1051
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: I tend to think he still will will be the

1052
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: as I don't. I don't think he'll lose, But I

1053
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: think you're on something about a potential future opponent who

1054
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: when they ring his bell, what happens. Like I rewatched

1055
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: the Lomachenko and Lopez fight. Dude. To Lomachenko's credit, Lopez

1056
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: stung him in the twelve and he did not lose

1057
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: his composure. He was still kind of in there a

1058
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: little bit, and he didn't make a bunch of bad

1059
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: decisions afterwards to make it even worse. Hany, seems to

1060
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: me like he's got a little bit of that to

1061
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 2: work on, so I guess we'll see.

1062
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be good. And if you don't know

1063
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: much about Joseph Diaz Junior, the Golden Boy fighter, he

1064
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: won a world title at the division below one thirty

1065
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 3: beat Tevin Farmer for it. He's twenty nine years old.

1066
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 3: He is a southpaw and luke he sort of evolved

1067
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: his style. He was a little bit more of a

1068
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 3: pure boxer early in his game. He's more of a

1069
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: come get you guy now. So this should be a

1070
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: very fun fight because if I'm Joseph Diaz, I realized

1071
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: that Hani is longer, stronger, faster than me. But I

1072
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: watched that Lenari's fight. I wonder if Jojo Diaz is

1073
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: gonna come out going for that chin early and try

1074
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: to make this a brawl, it should be fun to watch.

1075
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 3: I do believe again, Devin Haney could have the upper

1076
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 3: hand in drafting Cambosas into a undisputed fight if he wins.

1077
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 3: But I do want to see if Al Hayman Steven

1078
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 3: Espinosa in company, you know, if Davonte Davis wins, to

1079
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: see if they want to back up that truck too

1080
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: and find out what happens here. Yeah, it's a great

1081
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 3: time to be Lou de Bello, by the way, who

1082
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: usually hates boxing lately wants to get out of it

1083
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: now he's got the lottery tickets sitting in front of him.

1084
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 2: Good for Lou. I've always liked Lou. I've good I've

1085
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: had a good report with Lou over the years. All right,

1086
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: let's go topic number three. We'll stick with boxing for

1087
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: one more topic, because this is something BC spotlighted, and

1088
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm glad he did so. We all saw Teo female

1089
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: Lopez lose in this incredible shocking, well shocking to us anyway,

1090
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: but not shocking to George Campbos's I suppose. Nevertheless, there

1091
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,959
Speaker 2: was an article that came out a few days after

1092
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 2: he lost on Boxing scene, and I want to pitch

1093
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: this to Brian since he's the one that basically put

1094
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: this on my radar. In this article BC, a number

1095
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: of things are raised, namely just how seemingly out of

1096
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: it and erratic Lopez was prior to the contest due

1097
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: to any number of factors, mental health issues, he had

1098
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: a divorce with his wife, a whole host of things.

1099
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: What was the crux of the article, BC, and what

1100
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: did you take from it in terms of understanding who

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00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: Lopez was when he went into that bout.

1102
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we touched briefly on this on Monday and Dan

1103
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 3: Knobio had referenced this article. I had yet to really

1104
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: read it. It's written by Cory Erdman an og in

1105
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 3: this boxing game, so shout out to him and Luke specifically.

1106
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 3: It identifies some really weird behavior that only the people

1107
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: working for his own saw behind the scenes and the

1108
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 3: fighter interviews beforehand, just some like you said, a wavering

1109
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 3: for you know, Tao would be confident in one second

1110
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 3: talking trash, almost on the bit of tears, a second

1111
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 3: later saying the business had screwed him just all over

1112
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: the place. And Luke even that little tidbit after the

1113
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: fight where we know he gave that almost disastrous postfight

1114
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 3: interview in which he gave Cambosis no credit and almost

1115
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: sort of almost sort of said that there was a

1116
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory against him and that's why he lost, and

1117
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 3: that maybe the referee was part of it too. But

1118
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 3: Luke he waited until that interview was over, cleared some

1119
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 3: space in the ring and did his celebratory backflip, which

1120
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 3: is just sort of like mind boggling when you come

1121
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: out and you lose in major upset fashion. And by

1122
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: the way, I do get that the scorecards were close,

1123
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 3: at least from the judge standpoint, it was a split decision.

1124
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 3: But I had that one sixteen to eleven cambosis, which

1125
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: is eight rounds to four after you compute all the points.

1126
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: I think it was much more an eight to four

1127
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: fight than it was anything resembling a close fight. I mean,

1128
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 3: Tao had as disastrous a performance strategically, physically, stamina wise

1129
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: that you could have asked for. But I think when

1130
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 3: you package with that with some of the other rumors

1131
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: slash reports that have come out since this fight, you

1132
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 3: don't want to compare this to Mike Tyson ahead of

1133
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 3: the Buster Douglas fight, because it's not on the same level. Obviously,

1134
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: that's the biggest upset in boxing history. More or less,

1135
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: Tyson was a superstar on another planet to anything else

1136
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 3: in sports at that point. But Luke Tyson was just

1137
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: a few months younger than the twenty four year old

1138
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 3: Lopez is now when he lost to Douglass. And as

1139
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 3: we know, that Douglas fight wasn't one bad night at

1140
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 3: the office. It was essentially the consummation of a couple

1141
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 3: years of just a chaotic journey in which Tyson lost

1142
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 3: people close to him that he loved, lost direction, was

1143
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: not training hard anymore. Marriage fell apart at the disastrous

1144
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 3: interview with Barbara Walters that we all watched as kids,

1145
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 3: like really was just, you know, tried to crash his

1146
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 3: car into a tree to kill himself in a somewhat

1147
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: under publicized story at the time. And why do I

1148
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 3: make those parallels to Tao Femo, Do you remember that

1149
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: boxing scene article in October when Tao was at the

1150
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: Fury Wilder fight and he did that scrum with the

1151
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 3: reporters and he mentioned almost in passing that he had

1152
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: envisioned potentially killing himself three times in the past year.

1153
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: And we talked about it on here again in passing

1154
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: almost like hey, man, I hope he's okay, but like,

1155
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if we didn't take it seriously because

1156
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 3: it's Tao, he's cocky. We had him on the show

1157
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: in studio a month before that and he was great.

1158
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 3: But Luke, when you look at the totality of a

1159
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: lot of things, the soap opera of the triller pur

1160
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 3: spid thing playing out where this fight was rescheduled eight

1161
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: or nine times, him fronting the money on all those

1162
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: training camps that never happened. The dissolution we hear, I

1163
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: don't know if it's full of divorce, but the dissolution

1164
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: of his marriage. He's got. He had a child that

1165
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 3: was born ten days before this fight that I don't

1166
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 3: think he's seen yet. A lot of reports that he

1167
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 3: was out partying last few months too much. He stopped

1168
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 3: hiring Joey gamachas the assistant trainer, he got rid of

1169
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 3: that nutrition company that used to help him make weight,

1170
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: cut all these corners. This is this is a little

1171
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: bit scary here, Luke, for a guy at twenty four

1172
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: who looked like he had, you know, the world of

1173
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 3: boxing in the palm of his hand. Because not only

1174
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: did he beat Lomachenko, he leaped into the top ten

1175
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: pound for pound, but he found a way to outslick

1176
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: his own promoter to get basically what like five times

1177
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: the pay originally for that purse bit for this fight.

1178
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, Luke, if this loss was more, you know,

1179
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: a consummation of a of a year gone lost. And

1180
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: it's not that Tao's life was really all that calm

1181
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: before that. We know those stories about how chaotic his

1182
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: camp has been, the fact that his mom and sister

1183
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 3: never approved of his wife and he almost lost that

1184
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 3: fight against Nakatani because they had the family had a

1185
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: fight backstage as he's about to leave to walk to

1186
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 3: the ring. I mean, it's always been chaos for Teo.

1187
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: It seems now that it's bubbled over. And I did

1188
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: like the tweet he had. You know, they had a

1189
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 3: couple of series of tweets yesterday after originally disabling his

1190
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: Twitter account saying you know, God's got this all that stuff.

1191
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: He even tweeted that Canello called him, which was, you know,

1192
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: strong move by Big Red there to make sure that

1193
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 3: he's okay. We all wish he's okay. But Luke, here's

1194
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 3: one key fact on the comparison to Tyson.

1195
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 4: Mike.

1196
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: Tyson was never the same after that Buster Douglas loss.

1197
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 3: He may have won, you know, a piece of the

1198
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: world title again after he got out of jail, and

1199
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,479
Speaker 3: he may have been in big fights, never the same

1200
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 3: fighter by any stretch of the imagination. I really hope

1201
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 3: that's not the same scenario for Tao. He tweeted this

1202
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: morning a picture of him and his dad and said,

1203
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 3: Dad's not going anywhere. We'll be here together. And I'm

1204
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 3: not saying kicked out out of the corner, but a

1205
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 3: lot of changes need to be made outside the ring

1206
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: really before we address what potential is gonna happen next inside.

1207
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: Their I think you summarized it all quite well. I

1208
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: think you're right we probably ignored or didn't pay sufficient

1209
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: attention to because it was hard to understand what it

1210
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: means when the guy out of nowhere is talking about

1211
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: having these these I won't call them deranged, but certainly

1212
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: unhealthy thoughts about himself and everything else. I will just

1213
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: add to everything you put quite nicely bec that you

1214
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: know I did.

1215
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: I was.

1216
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 2: People want to They can't grasp nuance about this. They

1217
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 2: think that what we're trying to do is deny George

1218
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: Cambos's his rightful.

1219
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 4: Award.

1220
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: Essentially, it's not what we're trying to do. If you

1221
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: are asking me, did George Cambosis fight well? Dude, he

1222
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: fought extremely well. In fact, I would argue that is

1223
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: on tape anyway, the best performance he's ever had, not

1224
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: just because of what ultimately happened, but if you just

1225
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: examine the boxing skill. He showed more in that fight

1226
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 2: than he did in any of his other previous fights,

1227
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: probably more than all of them combined. Quite frankly, this

1228
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: is why I was asking for folks who inside of

1229
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 2: boxing made a boxing case for George Cambosis. And the

1230
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 2: reality is George Cambosis in that fight went from a

1231
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: caterpillar into a butterfly. There was no other reference to

1232
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: see beforehand, because this was the moment where he was

1233
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: showing how good he actually was. And fair play to him, dude,

1234
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 2: he boxed extremely well. However, if you go and rewatch

1235
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: the Lopez versus Lomachenko fight, that is not the same guy.

1236
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: That is not the same guy even a little bit.

1237
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: I went back and I did it, and I went

1238
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 2: over all the things he was laying there. I looked

1239
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: at the CompuBox stats, even just that twelfth round that

1240
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: he had against Lomachenko. Be see that he put his

1241
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: foot on the gas and not just as I mentioned,

1242
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: run Limachenko's bell on that one. Dude, he won that

1243
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: round walking away. That was clearly his round. And if

1244
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: you look at the output in eleventh and twelfth round

1245
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 2: in the cambosas fight versus the fight against Limachenko. You

1246
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: see Lopez doing everything he can to win the fight

1247
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: against Limachenko. He was like, fuck off about this in

1248
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: this fight, Now, what are the reasons for that? Partly

1249
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: because George Cambosis turned his face into hamburger meat. Let's

1250
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: give that guy credit. He did that. He did that,

1251
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: fair and square, and he did it for eleven rounds

1252
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: prior to that moment, no doubt about it. On the

1253
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 2: other hand, dude, there was a terrible strategy, there was

1254
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: a terrible understanding of what was happening. There was a

1255
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: not nearly the same amount of effort. Something is plaguing

1256
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: that guy to the point where he doesn't resemble himself

1257
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: from just about a year a year and a half ago.

1258
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: And I don't know what that answer is. Maybe it's

1259
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: the things that Boxing Scene reported or some of the

1260
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: more broad conclusions you're drawing there. I guess we'll have

1261
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: to see. What I will add is that if to

1262
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: your point, if he doesn't address what is actually hurting him, dude,

1263
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: he's in deep troubles, in deep, deep trouble, because it's

1264
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: not just George Cambosis that's gonna beat him. That guy

1265
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: was I won't say a shell of himself, but he

1266
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: was not recognizable to a pretty strong degree. And if

1267
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: Cambosis had his way with him, I would imagine some

1268
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: of the other top players in the division probably will

1269
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: as well.

1270
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, we come in, come on. We wish him

1271
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: well beyond belief. I also wish his career well because

1272
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: we were looking at a potentially special, you know, fighter

1273
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 3: who had the kind of skills that you just don't

1274
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 3: see too often. But it's it's a it's a mental

1275
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 3: game too, look more, probably more than physical. So we

1276
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 3: wish Tail the best on bounce him back from this

1277
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 3: for sure.

1278
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: All right, topic number four, This is one Brian wanted

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Speaker 2: to put himTo the rundown because I guess you find

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Speaker 2: this super interesting. I find it less so, but I

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Speaker 2: do think it's a good conversation to have. Which is

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Speaker 2: Over the past weekend, we saw Triller do something new.

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Speaker 2: They tried their Triad Combat, which they had ultimately pitched

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Speaker 2: as something of a bridge between MMA and boxing, and

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Speaker 2: it was met with I would argue, probably the best

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Speaker 2: reviews that Triller has had since maybe their first event.

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Speaker 2: Between the exhibition anyway, between Roy Jones Junior and Mike Tyson.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of positive sentiment about it BC.

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Speaker 2: Did Triller pull off a new sport that they had

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Speaker 2: tried to proclaim as this new venture?

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Speaker 3: Did they?

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Speaker 2: Did they get there?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: They want you to believe they did, because Ryan Kevin

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00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: on those interviews on the pay per view was like,

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Speaker 3: let's not even call it boxing. It's not it's a

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Speaker 3: new sport. In God, were they lining up on their

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Speaker 3: knees to hail him as king. It's still boxing to me? Okay.

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Speaker 3: I like the addition, you know, like BKFC also offers

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Speaker 3: to a lesser degree of some of the dirty boxing

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Speaker 3: and clinching that can can allow an MMA fighter who's

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Speaker 3: more natural at using that to his advantage. But again,

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00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 3: on my review of Saturday's card, really only Matt Mittrion

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00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 3: effectively and consistently use that to his advantage. I don't

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00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 3: think they bridged that gap as much as they were

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00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 3: smart in the matchmaking, which I think is the key. Luke,

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Speaker 3: If you get washed slash journeyman slash boxers who never

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Speaker 3: really had great technique to begin with, and you put

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01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: him in there with MMA guys who have good boxing backgrounds,

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Speaker 3: like in Albert Tumanov, that's how you level the playing field.

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Speaker 3: But I've given my take you were a little bit

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Speaker 3: more cynical while we were watching this card separately and

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Speaker 3: texting each other in totality, Luke, I want to hear

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Speaker 3: your answer more than mine on whether it bridges the

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Speaker 3: gap and whether you think this does not mean the

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Speaker 3: end of trailer? Do they have life in sort of

1317
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: this bottom of the food chain area of combat sports

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Speaker 3: where there is some money to be made. Bkfc's been

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01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 3: doing it. Do you think this is really the turn

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Speaker 3: that could give them life.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a couple of things we need to

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Speaker 2: keep in mind here, and I should say, rather two

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01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: different ways you could potentially view it the truth there's

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Speaker 2: probably somewhere in the middle in this case. But understand something.

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Speaker 2: I have been around the combat sports space, including when

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01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: there was this giant MMA boom with every promoter getting

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Speaker 2: quick TV deals to try and compete with UFC, where

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Speaker 2: we saw Elite XC eventually on showtime for a while

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Speaker 2: ultimately became Strikeforce, which is a much better and more

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Speaker 2: centered product. But you saw that, you saw IFL on

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Speaker 2: what was it my Fox TV? Whatever the fuck their

1332
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: situation was, and you saw the team concept, you saw

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Speaker 2: what Gary Shaw was doing. There was a lot of

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Speaker 2: different things happening at that time to try and replicate

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Speaker 2: what UFC was doing. And what you end up seeing

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01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 2: over time is that those competitors couldn't get anything done.

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01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: And one of the things that they would do towards

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01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: the end of the last gasp of their life cycle

1339
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 2: was pivot in these weird directions where they would change

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Speaker 2: the rules and change the fighting surface. IFL did that

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Speaker 2: right before they went out of business, for example, the

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Speaker 2: International Fight League for folks who may not remember. And

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Speaker 2: so part of this feels to me a little bit

1344
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: in that tradition, we tried something on a business model

1345
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Speaker 2: that was extremely short lived. It no longer has any

1346
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Speaker 2: viability whatsoever. Let's just pivot to something completely different, brand new,

1347
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and it seems kind of gimmicky and

1348
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 2: hokey and ad hoc to make it all work. That's

1349
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Speaker 2: one way to view it. The other way to view it,

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Speaker 2: I think is a little bit more fair, and probably

1351
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: maybe this is the better way to view it. But

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01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: they've got Sean Weelock over there now, who have a

1353
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 2: great amount of respect for it, not really as a commentator,

1354
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: but as a guy who has immersed himself in the

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01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: rules of mixed martial arts, in officiating, in its history

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Speaker 2: and its development. And what they have tried to do

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01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: is just leave everything behind cleanly and develop something that

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01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 2: they feel like is a newer product in the vein

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01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: that you see today, B see of this combat sports

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01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 2: not explosion per se, but this renewed interest in all

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01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 2: the different permutations of combat sports that we can enjoy.

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Speaker 2: I have said this is the best time to be

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Speaker 2: a combat sports fan in history, and I mean it.

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Speaker 2: There might have been better golden eras of heavyweight boxing,

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01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: for example, but in terms of what you can engage

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Speaker 2: with as a fan day to day, week to week,

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Speaker 2: month and month year to year, you know, in terms

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Speaker 2: of the variety of product and your access to it, Dude,

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Speaker 2: there is simply no time like the present. And so

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Speaker 2: you see this BKFC development, You see this new triad

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Speaker 2: combat develo. You might see some other ones as well,

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Speaker 2: this other this sort of bare knuckle mma version that

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Speaker 2: Jorge Mazwitoal has has tried as well. This innovation, this

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01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 2: well spring of what other ways can we innovate combat

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Speaker 2: sports to make a desirable product. So if that is

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Speaker 2: really what they're doing, then I don't in the second case,

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Speaker 2: have much of an issue with it. My problem ends

1378
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: up being one you're trying to solve a problem that

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01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 2: didn't really exist in one way, which is, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: the bridge between MM and boxing. I don't even know

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Speaker 2: what that means. Like I could come up with a

1382
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: I could take sanshoo, which is like where kung lee

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01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: comes from, where you could have like kickboxing, but then

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01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 2: throws and takedowns. Wouldn't that be more of a bridge

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Speaker 2: and that's not what they do. Your point is it's

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01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: still like boxing. Yeah, it just looks like kind of

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01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 2: boxing with a smaller weird ring and you know, a

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01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 2: little bit more aggressive rules with shorter rounds. Like they're

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01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: calling at the bridge, but they haven't defined why it's

1390
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Speaker 2: the bridge at all. Also, was anyone looking for the bridge?

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Speaker 2: I think what they're trying to do BC this is

1392
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 2: my best read. I think that they realize that the

1393
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: product they have was just fucking radioactive and they want

1394
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: to do something new. They brought in a real person

1395
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 2: in Sean Weelock to get some of those things going.

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01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: I think he has tried to put his best foot forward.

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: He has the team concept from the IFL and from

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01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: you know, other places that you have seen. He's been

1399
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: around for a long time too. And what they're trying

1400
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: to do is MM fighters and boxers want to make

1401
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: money off of each other, but if they keep going

1402
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 2: into one or the other, neither has a real chance

1403
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 2: to do all that. Well, is there an accommodated rule

1404
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 2: set where MMA fighters can fight boxers and we can

1405
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 2: make money off of that. What I would say is

1406
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 2: that is not a bad insight. That actually is an

1407
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 2: okay insight. How you get there is actually I don't

1408
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: think they've figured that part out at all. I would

1409
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 2: say I would actually argue that San Chaw is a

1410
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 2: lot better at getting you close to that because it's

1411
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 2: so much more. You go look at old Kung Lee highlights. Dude,

1412
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: he was throwing motherfuckers over his head and it was

1413
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 2: wild to watch. It was amazing. Even though it's an

1414
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 2: inch at there is no even though there's an well,

1415
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: say what San Chaw? I just want to point out

1416
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: it's not new, it's an ancient marshal art. But the

1417
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 2: point I'm trying to make your BC is listen. If

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Speaker 2: they want to ride this out to something and keep

1419
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: developing the product and iterating it, I actually think that's fine,

1420
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 2: Like there's this is the age of try something new,

1421
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: like figure it out. What I would argue, though, is

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01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: were it not for Metallica, who was going to be

1423
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: there to watch any of this, I don't think the

1424
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: rules they've figured out all that great, and I guess

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01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: I would just argue, like you know, you said rampage

1426
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 2: being like you know, UFC and Bellator should be worried.

1427
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 2: BKFC might want to be worried. The UFC and Bellator

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01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: I think are doing just fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. There really is no middle

1430
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 3: ground unless you're just taking kickboxing as the middle ground

1431
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 3: between boxing and MMA, and no boxers going to sign

1432
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 3: up to be kicked. You know, there's no question about that.

1433
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 3: So it's still a let's take a more washed boxer

1434
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 3: against a younger guy and look to it. To their credit,

1435
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: these were wars and Mike Perry fought his ass off,

1436
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 3: Mitrione fought his ass off Alexander Flores. I mean, these

1437
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 3: guys came to fight. There was some fun fight, So

1438
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 3: maybe this allows Triller to pivot to delay their inevitable

1439
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 3: you know, fall, because there is gonna be a want

1440
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 3: for faded names who have been cut by the elite

1441
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 3: promoters to make one more or two more or three

1442
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 3: more paydays. You saw Vitor belfour, Tyron Woodley there rampage

1443
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 3: and Channon Briggs getting in each other's face. They hype

1444
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 3: that fight all night. I don't know if.

1445
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 2: Gaff we can hear you, Gaff, we can hear you,

1446
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: thank you. Oh Jesus, they're having.

1447
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 3: A party back there in the control Yeah, so I

1448
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 3: think somebody's ass hit the hit the live button by accident.

1449
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 3: There's something going on there. So yeah, you know, if

1450
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 3: if I don't think the coaching, I think the coaching

1451
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 3: thing is gimmicky. I think it only works if you

1452
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 3: got the right personalities. But what Trailer has going for

1453
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 3: it right now is very high production value and a

1454
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 3: lot of money to throw out people. So you're right, BKFC.

1455
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 3: Who is feasting on that same idea of taking the

1456
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 3: wash names and giving them one last rest stop on

1457
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 3: the way out. That's who has to be, you know,

1458
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 3: worried in that regard. There's still a lot of cringe

1459
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 3: on this broadcast, Luke.

1460
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 4: That makes it really Let me.

1461
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 2: Say one thing, though I saw, I believe it was

1462
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 2: Ryan Kavanaugh. If it wasn't, you can dead wrong me.

1463
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 2: Somebody said from Triller, a high level executive said, you know,

1464
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna pay our athletes what we paid what UFC

1465
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: pays their ushers or something like that. No, sorry, we're

1466
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 2: gonna UFCU what was the quote exactly? We UFC pays

1467
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 2: their fighters like we pay our ushers. That's what they said.

1468
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 2: And I think it was reported Mike Perry made a

1469
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: quarter mill for his fight, and good for him, dude, Like,

1470
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 2: here's the rule on that. You'll see it all the time, folks.

1471
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: If you watch combat sports long enough, you're gonna see

1472
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 2: a bunch of promoters come through. They're gonna chuck a

1473
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 2: shitload of money at the problem. They're gonna burn through it,

1474
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 2: they're gonna go It works in the fighters favor, usually

1475
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: at least some of the fighters favor, because they can

1476
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 2: get those big checks before the promoter bounces out of town.

1477
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 2: But let me just say, dude, that statement, if it

1478
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 2: came from Kavan or whoever else, it's going to backfire.

1479
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 2: That is one of those statements that is going to

1480
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: fucking backfire because dude, Gary Shaw, all the dude do

1481
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 2: you do y'all think that this is the first guy

1482
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 2: to make these kinds of accusations about the UFC and

1483
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 2: how they treat their athletes and blah blah blah. This

1484
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 2: has been going on forever, and what happens every fucking

1485
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: time is that they overspend on this case, Metallica and everything.

1486
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine how much it must cost

1487
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,440
Speaker 2: to secure fucking Metallica.

1488
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 3: You may have got Metallica, but you're still staying angry

1489
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 3: to me. Yeah.

1490
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 2: The point I'm trying to make is what eventually will

1491
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 2: happen is that this train will probably come to a stop,

1492
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: right they will. Someone in it will decide you can

1493
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 2: no longer to spend profligate amounts of spending to get

1494
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: where you are, and then UFC will be like, aha,

1495
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 2: you see they waste money on things like Metallica, and

1496
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 2: then high fighter pay. Our fighter pay might look low

1497
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: to you, but that's why we're still in business, when

1498
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 2: in fact that's the reality is significantly more complicated. But

1499
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 2: you set yourself up to look like a jackass because

1500
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: we pay our fighters more. Dude, you worry about that shit.

1501
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: After you're not in the red anymore, then you begin

1502
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 2: to figure out out how to do that. But I

1503
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 2: understand that Triller is trying to get the best names available,

1504
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: so is BKFC, so they have to pay a competitive wage.

1505
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 2: But they're also just gonna hurt themselves in the long

1506
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 2: run by just not understanding how to make an MMA

1507
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: or a combat sports show profitable without these like larger gimmicks.

1508
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 3: To go for along but to be fair, along with

1509
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 3: the production value, and along with the fact that they

1510
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 3: can probably offer the most money of all of these,

1511
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: you know, sort of side promoters to do this type

1512
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 3: of carnival stuff, the new setup with the ring. As

1513
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 3: long as they can take this get rid of this

1514
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 3: lawsuit from from byb Uh, it does promote action. So

1515
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 3: what do I always say, Look about the Paul brothers,

1516
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 3: They're only going to last as long as probably they win,

1517
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 3: but also as long as they make fun fights. These

1518
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 3: fights are fun in this triad thing. So that's the

1519
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 3: best thing they have going for them is that you

1520
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 3: have to fight in that ring. It's really hard to

1521
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 3: have a boring fight.

1522
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: So but at the end of the day, it's not

1523
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 2: about that. What matters in combat sports and this will

1524
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 2: always be true. This is why Metallica was who's the

1525
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 2: biggest star on that card? Metallica. Metallica was the biggest star,

1526
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 2: and the next one might be Jackson.

1527
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 3: Said Gigliadi a hundred times that he was probably one

1528
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 3: of the biggest.

1529
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1530
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 2: My point being is this, dude, always remember combat sports

1531
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 2: runs on the star model and who has access to them,

1532
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 2: which is why the UFC's alleged monopolistic behaviors are so

1533
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 2: troubling because they have the vast majority of the world's

1534
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 2: elite talent under contract and so, yes, you might be

1535
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: able to produce good action, and maybe that might be

1536
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 2: profitable on some level. But the point being is until

1537
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 2: you have and you have the ability to produce stars

1538
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 2: that people care about, it doesn't really matter how dude,

1539
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 2: I f L had good at name your favorite i

1540
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 2: FL fight, right, I can tell you mine lying the

1541
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 2: Ryan Ryan, the Lion Schultz beating the ship with a

1542
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 2: gift wrap at a Chris Wordeski who remembers that ship nothing.

1543
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how good your product is. What matters

1544
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: is who are the stars that people want to pay

1545
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 2: money to see?

1546
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 3: They're gonna need the Diaz brothers. They're gonna need someone

1547
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 3: more more than Vitor Belford and Rampage Jackson. They're gonna

1548
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 3: need something big, all right, that's fair quickly to close

1549
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 3: on topic for on Fighter page. You see that pie

1550
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 3: graph that's been tweeted around by the John S Nash

1551
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 3: types about US.

1552
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 2: The numbers come from Merrill Lynch and it was produced

1553
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 2: by Sportico.

1554
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 3: Yes, about UFC's you know income and that you know,

1555
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 3: obviously the giant chunk of that was what they get

1556
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 3: from ESPN and there in their international TV deals and

1557
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 3: the pay per view sales was like that big. Would

1558
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 3: you agree with John Nashist sentiments on Twitter that this

1559
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 3: shows why the fighters have zero leverage and that if

1560
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:34,440
Speaker 3: they don't form together soon they never will because.

1561
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 2: Right, here's let me break this down for you. So

1562
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 2: here is the numbers come from Merrill Lynch. Excuse me,

1563
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 2: Morgan Stanley? What am I saying? Morgan Stanley? And what

1564
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: they have is, you know, if you look at all

1565
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 2: of the revenue that UFC has in twenty twenty one,

1566
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: how does it break down piece by piece? The biggest

1567
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 2: one is core content rights for the USA, like essentially,

1568
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 2: you know, the right for their for their broadcast ESPN

1569
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 2: rights at four hundred and forty seven million, Core content

1570
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 2: rights international, same thing for international broadcasters as a another

1571
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 2: hundred million. Sponsorship, consumer products one hundred and eighty four million,

1572
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,839
Speaker 2: Live events fifty seven million in the USA, Live events international,

1573
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 2: fifteen million, fight pass subs fifty nine million. They're making

1574
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 2: fifty nine million off fight Pass incredible, and then pay

1575
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 2: per view sales also fifty nine million. So understand that

1576
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: fifty nine million is how much they get for pay

1577
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 2: per view. Nearly five hundred million is how much they

1578
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 2: get for basically the ESPN side of things, for just

1579
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 2: the standard content deal. In other words, pay per view

1580
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: while volatile, and when it was tied to star power,

1581
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 2: let's say two thousand and nine twenty ten, the fighters

1582
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 2: had a little bit of leverage because you've got a

1583
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 2: lot of star power. You could say, hey, dude, I

1584
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: bring so much more to the table, right, because pay

1585
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 2: per view sales were a much bigger chunk of how

1586
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: the UFC made money. Now it is a fraction of

1587
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 2: what it used to be. By design, they have removed

1588
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 2: all volatility, and by removing the volatility, they have removed

1589
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 2: the ability for fighters to have leverage. The only leverage

1590
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 2: the fire have is as a collective entity, our entire product,

1591
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 2: as we not individually won. Dude, this is the biggest

1592
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 2: fucking wake up call for anybody who says, oh, my

1593
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 2: manager gets me more money. How how what could they

1594
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 2: possibly say that matters in that pie chart to get

1595
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 2: the UFC to bump up beyond anything they feel like

1596
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 2: giving someone nothing. There is nothing in there, dude. It

1597
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 2: is either eat plurbus unum out of many one or

1598
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 2: it is nothing. That's it.

1599
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 3: Do you think if if a unified front stronger than

1600
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 3: the beorn revenue one with GSP was let's say tomorrow,

1601
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 3: every single USC champion got together, went on TV and

1602
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 3: we're like, we will not fight until this is resolved,

1603
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 3: that it would be like the you know, the eighty

1604
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 3: seven NFL strike. UFC would just be like, Okay, you

1605
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 3: guys are done, stripped of your belts. Here's a whole

1606
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 3: nother bus load of new guys coming in ready to

1607
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 3: make their name for peanuts. And do you think it

1608
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 3: would get dirty? And UFC would offer a shitload of

1609
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 3: money people to jump the line.

1610
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 2: Essentially, yes, yes, the UFC would absolutely not bow to

1611
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 2: this whatsoever. The UFC would probably hire as many scabs

1612
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 2: as somebody who crosses the picket line, so to speak,

1613
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 2: as they could, and I don't think the fans would

1614
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 2: really care. The only way to meaningfully affect change is

1615
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 2: if you had not only those champions, but a big

1616
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 2: chunk of the roster. Like I made this point Ryan Jimo,

1617
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 2: rest in peace. I made a video about it. Do

1618
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 2: you understand the UFC product, right? The train is leaving

1619
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 2: the station all the time, which is why the pandemic

1620
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 2: was such a threat to their business model. Right, look

1621
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,799
Speaker 2: at how much money comes from just churning out content

1622
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 2: week after week after week. That's how they now in

1623
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 2: the majority sense, make their wealth. And good for them, Like,

1624
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, per se. But what

1625
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 2: it means is if you can stop and I'm not

1626
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 2: advocating for this, per se. This is the fighters have

1627
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 2: to make this call. But if you can get in

1628
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 2: the way of the trains leaving the station and it

1629
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 2: no longer operates, that's the way you can effect change.

1630
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 2: But like a few holdouts, even important ones, that doesn't

1631
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 2: mean shit anymore. There's you have to change the way

1632
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 2: that that content is meaningfully put together and distributed, Otherwise

1633
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 2: there is no threat to their business model whatsoever. Like

1634
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 2: these fighters have been like, I'm gonna sit out for

1635
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,799
Speaker 2: more money. Well, I hope you don't get bed sores,

1636
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 2: because you're gonna be in bed that long before they

1637
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: ever come knocking on your door. It is not going

1638
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 2: to work. So I'm gonna sit here, and you know,

1639
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: threaten to sit out for more money, have fun sitting

1640
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 2: on your ass because they ain't gonna do shit. So

1641
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 2: there you go.

1642
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 3: All right, hope at least are MK approved fighters like

1643
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 3: Billy Q and Sean Brady get paid. Okay, that's right.

1644
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: Listen, I want all of them to get paid. But like,

1645
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 2: this is what I'm being like, Oh, the media needs

1646
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,759
Speaker 2: to spread more attention about these stories. Okay, We've spread

1647
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: all the attention we can possibly get. At this point,

1648
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 2: we have turned over every rock balls in your court. Fighters.

1649
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 2: If you want something to the cavalry ain't coming, it

1650
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: ain't coming. You are the cavalry. So either you are

1651
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,560
Speaker 2: going to do this or you will be perennially underpaid,

1652
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 2: and that will be the choice that you collectively made. Period. Yeah,

1653
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 2: all right, let's do some quick hitters and then we'll

1654
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 2: get onto our fans subs here BC, speaking of something

1655
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: that just breaks my heart a little bit. Kevin Lee

1656
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 2: was released from the Ultimate Fighting Championship this week, and

1657
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 2: let me just ask the question here BC, because we

1658
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 2: have called him future world champion. We were both on

1659
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 2: board with this. I think even before we got together

1660
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 2: on MK. Obviously, listen, we got to eat the l

1661
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 2: here and we got to say it looks bad for us.

1662
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 2: Because it does look bad for us. I will say

1663
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 2: that talent prospecting is very difficult. I will also say

1664
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 2: that I did see flashes of brilliance in Kevin Lee's

1665
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 2: game that really stood out to me. But there's just

1666
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 2: no denying that things have fallen apart. Let me just

1667
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 2: ask the question to you very basically, dude, where did

1668
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 2: shit go wrong for him?

1669
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 3: Game planning, not having a true way class for that period,

1670
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 3: you know, bouncing around? Did we put too much pressure

1671
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 3: on him, Luke? Did he put too much pressure on himself?

1672
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 3: I don't really know. It seemed to be more mental

1673
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 3: than physical, because physical, he's got all the tools, you

1674
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 3: know what, the fighter he was going into that Ferguson,

1675
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 3: you know, opportunistic interim title about and you know, and

1676
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,759
Speaker 3: he felt well for a stretch in that before losing

1677
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 3: that fighter only came back again once or twice in

1678
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 3: short bursts. So you know, we did say during this

1679
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 3: most recent losing streak, including the most recent loss, that

1680
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 3: you know, this seemed inevitable a cut and maybe given

1681
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,799
Speaker 3: that he's still on this side of thirty, still somewhat

1682
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 3: young enough, maybe it is the best thing that could

1683
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 3: happen to him. Because Luke, this puts him at that

1684
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 3: crossroads moment, right, you know where you're either going to

1685
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 3: be a journeyman the rest of the way and get

1686
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 3: as many checks as you can until you just can't

1687
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 3: win anymore, or you are going to go back in

1688
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 3: the lab. But which which the problem is. I'm sure

1689
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 3: he's had a few lab moments in the past three years,

1690
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 3: but you got to go back in that lab and say,

1691
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 3: all right, no more bullshit. What the hell am I

1692
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 3: not doing? What kind of coach do I need to

1693
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 3: get through to me? What do I not know about

1694
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 3: this game that I need to Is it my card?

1695
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 3: You're like, what is it?

1696
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 4: For? All?

1697
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 3: We know he's done that already. I don't know Luke,

1698
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 3: but you know he's at that crossroads and very few

1699
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 3: take that road less travel. Brandon Moreno got cut by

1700
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 3: the UFC and came back to win a world title. Now,

1701
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 3: I know every time I say that, people love to

1702
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 3: say it's because they were cutting that division. But you

1703
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,640
Speaker 3: know people have been cut before and come back and

1704
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 3: had runs. It's still possible. He's physically talented, he's young enough,

1705
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 3: but something's missing. There's a wiring problem there. I've never

1706
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 3: loved his game planning. I've always wanted to see you know,

1707
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 3: he's been a guy who can get rocked and vulnerable

1708
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 3: easy as defense hasn't always been tough notch. I don't

1709
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 3: know what to say, Luke, because I don't know whether

1710
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 3: he's already had those moments yet, truly those rock bottom

1711
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 3: I need to cut all corners and no still left unturned.

1712
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 3: I have not activated one hundred percent of myself. It's time.

1713
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 3: If he hasn't, well that's good news, Luke, because there's

1714
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 3: still time. If he has. Maybe he's just a flashy,

1715
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 3: skilled guy who was who was never that guy and

1716
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 3: we were wrong. But it breaks my heart, Luke. Do

1717
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 3: I want to double down and say, well we said

1718
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 3: future champion Kevin Lee. Well, you know, you know that

1719
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,440
Speaker 3: could be that could be Cage Warriors.

1720
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 2: For all we know.

1721
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 3: No, I don't want to play those games, Luke. I

1722
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 3: want to see this guy fulfill his potential. He's a

1723
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 3: great fighter, I.

1724
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 2: Do I Again, I think if you look the Mustafaia fight,

1725
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 2: the Gregor Gillespie fight, there's some other ones where he's

1726
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 2: just looked fantastic. Those are not Those are not fake.

1727
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 2: Those are real though, Those are Those are Kevin Lee

1728
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 2: at his finest. Now the problems, of course, he has

1729
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 2: not been consistent, but he has shown a tremendous level

1730
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 2: of brilliance at various junctures of his career. I've done

1731
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: some digging around on this. Listen. I would love to

1732
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 2: hear what Kevin has to say. Also, never forget he

1733
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 2: had two knee surgeries, which doesn't explain the problems before that,

1734
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 2: but could certainly explain if you did have problems before that,

1735
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 2: they could exacerbate them over time. So let's not lose

1736
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 2: out of that fact either. But some of the things

1737
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 2: that like, you know, you talk to a few people,

1738
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 2: some of the stories are the same. Two of them.

1739
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,759
Speaker 2: One you know, not listening to people. I mean, for example,

1740
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 2: how many times have you heard Kevin Lee go back

1741
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 2: to his corner, heard the advice of his corner, and

1742
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 2: then he goes out and just ignores it. I mean,

1743
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: you've heard that a lot. Like That's I don't even

1744
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,560
Speaker 2: need to be inside the gym or wherever to just

1745
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 2: know that. Like I've seen that over and over and over,

1746
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 2: from him not listening to his corners telling him to

1747
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 2: do something and just widely ignoring it. So that appears

1748
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 2: to be not just when I say, not listening to

1749
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, other people. I don't think it's just in

1750
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 2: the in between the rounds situation. It could be a

1751
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 2: lot of other situations as well, But there's a certain

1752
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 2: disconnect between authority advice and what he is exercising. And

1753
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 2: the other one I've heard is that there could be

1754
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 2: some preparatory issues, you know, like the weight cut stuff.

1755
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 2: I agree that a one sixty five would be perfect,

1756
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 2: but you know, did he cross every T and dot

1757
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 2: every eye? That that remains that there's a question about

1758
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 2: that about what he could have done heading into some

1759
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: of these contests. So I'm with you, man, what I

1760
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 2: saw with my own eyes, and I've told Kevin this.

1761
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 2: You know, we've had conversations about it early in his career.

1762
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 2: I thought he looked tremendous at twenty nine years of age.

1763
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 2: I am simply listen and if they want it, listen.

1764
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 2: If he bottoms out and we look like total assholes

1765
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 2: after this, then fine, we look like total assholes. I'm

1766
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 2: still a believer in the upside of Kevin Lee, but

1767
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 2: at this point, the only way for him to get

1768
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 2: back there, I think is if he he really has

1769
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 2: to humble himself and he really has to just kind

1770
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 2: of decide to reframe how he views his career. I

1771
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 2: think he needs to. I don't think he needs to

1772
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 2: change camps from that. I think he's in a great place.

1773
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 2: But I think he needs to. I think he has

1774
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,560
Speaker 2: to accept that there is a building process that he

1775
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 2: never did that still has to happen before he can

1776
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 2: ultimately get to the place he wants to go. Yeah,

1777
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 2: and until he does that, he.

1778
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 3: Won't Something structural and foundational was skipped along the way

1779
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 3: that that. You know, is it in him to repair

1780
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 3: that and go back and find that yet? Well, we're

1781
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 3: gonna find out. But I wish him well. I got

1782
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 3: h I don't know, Luke, five thousand people tweeting at

1783
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 3: me after this news broke. You know it breaks my heart.

1784
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 2: Okay, at UFC fight nine two oh three, This will

1785
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 2: be February twenty six BC. Benil Daryush is going to

1786
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,480
Speaker 2: fight Islam Makachev.

1787
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 3: Your reaction, Wow, love this fight, Love this fight. Believe

1788
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 3: it's the right move for the UFCU. Ge Chi er

1789
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 3: earned that shit, Luke, he did. Okay, So I mean,

1790
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 3: Diddy Diddy.

1791
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 2: Say, I think, I think if you're in a title fight, listen,

1792
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 2: I love to listen if he fights. Can I say

1793
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,560
Speaker 2: that Justin Gaichie is not the best lightweight in the

1794
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 2: planet right now? I cannot say that. I cannot say

1795
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 2: he is not. He just might be. The only point

1796
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 2: I want to make is you were in a title

1797
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 2: fight against to Be. He lost handily. I mean I

1798
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: know what you know, he lost handling.

1799
01:22:55,000 --> 01:23:00,839
Speaker 3: Not forget to be fair, Luke, I mean, ris seriously

1800
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 3: be fair with it.

1801
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:03,839
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, he lost handily.

1802
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 3: Dustin lost handily. Dustin lost handily. Geichie was working on something, Okay.

1803
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 2: Okay, Geichie had his moments, but he lost handily. And

1804
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 2: then he gets one win after that and you're back

1805
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 2: in a title picture. Like to me, that is insufficient, uh,

1806
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: just for title purposes. But really I can agree, I

1807
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 2: hold on, I can agree he might still be the

1808
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,640
Speaker 2: best lightweight on the planet, in which case keeping him

1809
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 2: in bounts where that's a relevant consideration is the better

1810
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 2: thing to do. But you know, I thought the fight

1811
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 2: to make was Makachev versus Gai Chee, But I guess

1812
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 2: not BC. Dan Hooker wants to drop to one forty

1813
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 2: five and take on the Korean Zombie. He's done a

1814
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: test cut down there already, and we know he used

1815
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 2: to have real issues. Maybe he has ironed them all out.

1816
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: Do you like the idea of a Hooker at one

1817
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 2: forty five and b against the Korean Zombie?

1818
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 3: You know, I still look at combat sports through a

1819
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 3: boxing lens too often, And in boxing, when you caught, wait,

1820
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 3: when you cut, when you move down in wait, that's

1821
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 3: always a major sign of desperation. And when you do it,

1822
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 3: you know, in the middle or second half of your career,

1823
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 3: it exasperates on that. So I carry that mentality to

1824
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 3: wherever I hear this.

1825
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 4: I I go, oh boy.

1826
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 3: But people have done it, and done it consistently and

1827
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 3: done it to some mean, I think Josilda was gonna

1828
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 3: be able to pull it off at this level. So

1829
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 3: there's still a lot of fight in this guy. And

1830
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 3: you know, I don't really hold that law last loss

1831
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 3: against him because he was doubling down. He was going

1832
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,879
Speaker 3: for it, and he looked very good against h Nasdak

1833
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 3: five hundred.

1834
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,879
Speaker 2: Luke uh Husking nasrac hack Press.

1835
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 3: Has press hack Press. I'm really working on it, I swear, so, yeah,

1836
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 3: if he can pull this off, Luke, he look he's trying.

1837
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 3: You gotta give him credit. He is trying to be great.

1838
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 3: I mean, he knows it's in him. He's gotta stop

1839
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 3: getting into wars. I like the turn to be more

1840
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 3: of a wrestler. Okay, but you know you're gonna you're

1841
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 3: gonna who who'd you say he was gonna fight?

1842
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 2: He wants he is not booked, but he wants the

1843
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 2: Korean zombie.

1844
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 3: Oh God, that's the deep.

1845
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm with you, like when you go

1846
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 2: down and wait, I'm you know, jose Aldo appears to

1847
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 2: have pulled it off a little bit, although you know,

1848
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 2: like you have to ask they did jose Aldo pulled

1849
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 2: it off. He pulled it off. In the sense that

1850
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 2: he meaningfully extended his career and he got people excited

1851
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 2: about new title opportunities. But he didn't go down to

1852
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 2: bantamweight and beat a new class of opponents. Right he

1853
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 2: was losing to Max, and he lost to Volkanovski, both

1854
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:35,719
Speaker 2: the champion or the guy who's right under him, depending

1855
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 2: on how you want to view the legitimacy of that

1856
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 2: he went to bantamweight, that that situation hasn't changed. He

1857
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 2: still can't beat the champion or the people right right

1858
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 2: at it. So he extended longevity of his career, but

1859
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 2: he didn't change his fortunes exactly in that way. So

1860
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what to expect. I'll say this, Listen,

1861
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 2: if Hooker can make the weight safely and be reasonably competitive,

1862
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 2: I certainly would not stand in the way. I just

1863
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 2: worry about his health. The guy takes a lot, or

1864
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: has taken up to this point, not in the macha

1865
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 2: Chev fight, but has taken a lot of damage, and

1866
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 2: the weight cut could potentially exacerbate that. But I leave

1867
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 2: that to him and his nutritionists in the UFC and

1868
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 2: the commissions.

1869
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 3: And sorry, good friend Rashad Evans, who had himself an

1870
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 3: unsuccessful more or less weight cut, you know, and sort

1871
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 3: of a desperation point late in his career to middleweight,

1872
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 3: you know, really always broke down. How much more, how

1873
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 3: much your punch resistance goes away, you know, when you

1874
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 3: really push yourself down to that last weight class that

1875
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 3: you believe your body can squeeze into. Look, I'm trying

1876
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 3: to think you know who has had great success to it.

1877
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 3: If Frankie Edgar went on to fight for titles and

1878
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 3: what two different divisions after cutting down or no he

1879
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 3: never fought to the bhandamweight title, but he you know,

1880
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 3: he's been in big fights. And Leodo Machida had a

1881
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 3: second life at middleweight after cutting down from two to five.

1882
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 3: Am I forgetting anyone who's like really pulled it off

1883
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 3: at a.

1884
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 2: High level, going like obviously McGregor was at one forty

1885
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 2: five and no, that wouldn't count you're talking about it.

1886
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 3: I'd have huge success at one way class and then

1887
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 3: you moved down and established a certain level of like

1888
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 3: Machida fought for a title at middleweight, that was, you know,

1889
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 3: was a pretty good run.

1890
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, offhand, I don't know. Nothing stands out

1891
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 2: as like the quintessential example that I can think of

1892
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 2: most people, it's they get a ton of success and

1893
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 2: then I say, fuck it, let's go up and wait,

1894
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: not down, but all right, last pacifically not least we

1895
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 2: see this was I think, I think this came out

1896
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 2: Monday maybe, but Yon Blakovich is set to fight on

1897
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 2: let's see, let's see the twenty sixth of March Alexander

1898
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 2: Rackets for light heavyweight supremacy. Now, we had thought that

1899
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 2: Rackets was gonna fight Anthony Smith in a rematch, but no,

1900
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 2: Blahovich's first fight after losing is against this hammer. What

1901
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 2: do you make of it?

1902
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,679
Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna ask you mentioning Anthony Smith, since look,

1903
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 3: we all have our fighters, Luke, and he's yours. Okay,

1904
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 3: we all have them, Sorry, but he is He's the

1905
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 3: only CKB guy who can light your fire on that level.

1906
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 3: He had come out and said he was upset that

1907
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 3: Rakitch got that fight, considering he felt Rakis turned down

1908
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 3: a bunch of other opponents, including himself. Do you think

1909
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 3: that that there's substance in that state.

1910
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 2: I don't know the UFC matchmaking machinations. I would have

1911
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 2: liked to have seen Smith get another crack at it

1912
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 2: because they did not think that was his best performance. Frankly,

1913
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was the best performance from Rackage either.

1914
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 2: He basically got top control the whole time and then

1915
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 2: couldn't pass Anthony's guard, and they just kind of, you know,

1916
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: not exactly stalemated, but nothing really happened for the duration

1917
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 2: of the bout. I'd like to see a little bit

1918
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 2: more dynamism, frankly, from both of them. But you know,

1919
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: I can't hate on Belhovitch versus Rackage. I think it's

1920
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 2: a good fight for Rackach if he wants to get

1921
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 2: a title shot. I think Blahovich could you know in

1922
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 2: the ways that Gaechee rebounded after the Chandler win. I

1923
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 2: think if you beat a guy like Rackage and you

1924
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: are Blohovitch, it's going to catapult you right back. So

1925
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with the fight.

1926
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 4: I like it.

1927
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm happy to see it. Kind of wish it would

1928
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 2: have gone a different way, but it's great. I can't complain.

1929
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 4: Dude.

1930
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 3: You know it's gonna be a great fight. The more

1931
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 3: I think about it, Glover versus for Hatska, that's gonna

1932
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 3: be a that's gonna be a very interesting.

1933
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 2: Fight for as long as it lasts. For as long

1934
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 2: as it lasts.

1935
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 3: I mean, do you think the old man can expose

1936
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 3: Yerie on the ground?

1937
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, exposed is a strong Yeah, that's possible. I think

1938
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 2: it's on the table, on the table.

1939
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 3: It could also be some violent young guy on old

1940
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 3: guy type of ship too. Yeah.

1941
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 2: It could also be like why are you beating up

1942
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 2: this old man in the street kind of situation from

1943
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 2: exactly all right, But but I'll say this, if he

1944
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 2: loses the belt, you get to go back to being

1945
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 2: the king.

1946
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 3: So fine, I'll take that. Bring it, Apathy, we should

1947
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 3: get on the show. Probably lives near me, I mean me,

1948
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 3: Chuck and Apathy are the three most famous people in

1949
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 3: combat sports in the state.

1950
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 2: Right now, right, I guess so, I don't know if

1951
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 2: Apathy is famous in combat sports famous and underground. All right,

1952
01:29:58,160 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 2: time for fans, good.

1953
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 3: Sir, all right, morning combat at gmail dot com is

1954
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 3: your email address to find us for Wednesday fan subs.

1955
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 3: Friday's dead wrong, and hopefully none of these fan subs

1956
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 3: will involve people wearing our new underwear.

1957
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Luke.

1958
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 3: Okay, but here we go every Wednesday. We've got mail.

1959
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 3: Alrighty from at Average Joe art Monday, Wednesday and Friday,

1960
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 3: or my favorite day since I get to start off

1961
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 3: my morning with my favorite combat show. Here's a shot

1962
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 3: of how I kicked off my Monday, November fifteenth with

1963
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 3: BC and Luke while diving into my workload. Yes, this

1964
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 3: is actually what I do for a living. Please excuse

1965
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 3: my mess, as we're still doing home renovations, but it

1966
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 3: hasn't stopped us from catching every episode of MK and

1967
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 3: going overboard with our Christmas de corps, as displayed by

1968
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 3: the nine pet stockings across the front of our mantle.

1969
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 3: Seven cats, two dogs, all rescues. Shout out to this guy,

1970
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 3: Average Joe. I'm stuck sitting on the ground working at

1971
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 3: the coffee table until my office is complete. By the way, Luke,

1972
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 3: my girlfriend recent really retired from twenty one years in

1973
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 3: the army, and my dad is a us MC veteran

1974
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 3: from Vietnam. They both told me quote it's a cover,

1975
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 3: definitely not a hat. Thank you for your service, Luke.

1976
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 3: Thank you Brian for being you. Love the show. Keep

1977
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 3: up the good work, Luke. I was gonna accuse this

1978
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 3: guy of doing this fans up just to promote his

1979
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 3: own work. But he was very nice and funny, and

1980
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:30,600
Speaker 3: he's got nine pet stockings up.

1981
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 2: So also, I mean you got seven cats, bro, who

1982
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 2: is who's got litterbox duty in that house? Because they're

1983
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 2: like suck wow?

1984
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 3: How is his cable management here? Luke, you're good on

1985
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 3: this or no?

1986
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 2: It's hard to tell. He's got some wires hanging out

1987
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 2: the front like a jabbroni and he's got cat shit everywhere.

1988
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 2: But other than that nice house, we.

1989
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 3: Appreciate you, average Joe, thank you for watching us. Good shit.

1990
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 3: You've sent in artwork before.

1991
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 2: He's got the skills, Lukey, I think I know this dude.

1992
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 2: I think this guy he's good people all right.

1993
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 3: This one's from Dave pop Quiz what do mean Brian

1994
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 3: and Alec Baldwin have in common? We're all firing blanks.

1995
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 3: They made me take it off for that cool robe,

1996
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 3: but I made sure to snap a pick with my

1997
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 3: orchids of combat shirt before they got me with the

1998
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 3: three needles.

1999
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, are we already doing Alec Baldwin has

2000
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 2: killed people jokes?

2001
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 3: I mean, Jesus, dude, this guy took a picture from

2002
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 3: the damn vasectomy table. Luke, this is Bobby Knuckles aka

2003
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 3: or sorry Knobby Buckles aka Dave.

2004
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 2: Wow, well, David, welcome, that's dedication. That's dedication.

2005
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 3: Welcome to no libido for the rest of your life.

2006
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 3: You'll thank me for it. But uh yeah, wow, I

2007
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 3: mean you know.

2008
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 2: Nip snip. Wait did you get did they cut your

2009
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 2: balls off? Or did you just get a vasectomy? Like

2010
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 2: I'm trying to wonder what happened to.

2011
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 3: You here They opened the hatch, Luke. But you know,

2012
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 3: as we talked about, the three needles weren't enough, I

2013
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 3: felt at all, Luke okay, and that damn seventy three

2014
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 3: year old Vietnam veteran did not care about my pain,

2015
01:32:58,200 --> 01:32:58,639
Speaker 3: Luke okay.

2016
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 2: Right.

2017
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 3: In fact, he's like, is his wife here? Get his

2018
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:04,600
Speaker 3: wife in here to take care of him? He was

2019
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 3: not happy with all right, wow right, I'm still scarred

2020
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 3: from it. Okay, I'll show you one day. All right.

2021
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 3: Look this is from BM Bush Luke in BC. Despite

2022
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 3: all of the supply chain delays, I finally have my

2023
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 3: home office set up to accommodate the work life balance.

2024
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 3: Here's what a typical workday looks like for me as

2025
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 3: I try to squeeze in my MK consumption between video

2026
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 3: calls and spreadsheets. My fandom for MMA has risen to

2027
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:32,799
Speaker 3: great new heights, and my boxing fandom is under development

2028
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,759
Speaker 3: thanks to you both. P One for Life. It's Bruce,

2029
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:37,959
Speaker 3: b Your thoughts.

2030
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:41,640
Speaker 2: At setup not bad? Right? Yeah, it's okay. He's got

2031
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 2: the mug you zoom in, Geff and Sally.

2032
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 3: Oh, he's got our mug there?

2033
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 4: All right.

2034
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 2: I guess he went to Rice University. Nice University. Yep, yep,

2035
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 2: that's good stuff.

2036
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 4: All right.

2037
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 3: It looks like he's gonna watch The Godfather on Showtime.

2038
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 3: He got that thirty day free trial. The sand will

2039
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:02,600
Speaker 3: not be pounded yet, not yet. All right, let's go

2040
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 3: over to Fernando. What up, donks? Last week, LT scolded

2041
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 3: me since I only sent a photo of the shirt

2042
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 3: I bought. I felt bad, so I give you guys

2043
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 3: more of my money and bought two shirts for me

2044
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 3: and my old lady and a coffee mug that didn't

2045
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 3: come yet. Here's a pick of only the swag I

2046
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 3: bought just for ult just kidding. Here's a pick of

2047
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 3: me and my January sixth Get up because the Internet

2048
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,839
Speaker 3: acttag the Internet love this show and all your content.

2049
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 3: I'll send more picks. Don't forget to not let BC

2050
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 3: punk out on the Cannibal Corp Show.

2051
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, February, bitch, you're going, but hey, he looks good

2052
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 2: that Hey. You know, we don't have enough of We

2053
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 2: don't have enough donk stuff in our merch. It's just

2054
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 2: not everywhere we need it everywhere.

2055
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 3: I've noticed our old merch guy just loved donks. Yeah,

2056
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:50,600
Speaker 3: I got United States donk Army, which your donk R

2057
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 3: whatever the hell it is. I always feel embarrassed wearing

2058
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 3: this in public. Look like some veterans are gonna come

2059
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 3: up and knock me out. Can we zoom in on

2060
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 3: the s Look he's been in the gym.

2061
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,640
Speaker 2: He looks good in this, that's right, that's right. And

2062
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 2: he's got the old camouflage mask, which you know, good

2063
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 2: to break into Nancy Pelos's office and take a shit

2064
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 2: on it.

2065
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 4: You that's true.

2066
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 2: There you go.

2067
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 3: All right, let's go over to John g He sends

2068
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 3: in the man in the hat. I don't know what

2069
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 3: this means.

2070
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, because it's Jock.

2071
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 3: Chuck's not gonna like this at all, Luke, that's pretty fun.

2072
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 2: I like how it's drew by over one eye, like

2073
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 2: he's been drinking whiskey in the back of not telling

2074
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 2: anybody the man.

2075
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:32,640
Speaker 3: In the cover. I love it. Yes, it's got a

2076
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 3: nice ring to it, all right, jose R has After

2077
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 3: January sixth, my big booty Latino wife and I relocated

2078
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 3: to beautiful Puerto Rico and luckily they haven't found us yet.

2079
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 3: Keep up the great work. Looking forward to see Luke

2080
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 3: attend a pro wrestling event with BC. Yeah, blah blah blah.

2081
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 3: It's it's brainless entertainment, Luke. But it's entertainment, nonetheless.

2082
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 2: MK.

2083
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 3: All day, nearly every day. This is jose R. I

2084
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 3: think he has a second picture too, does he?

2085
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 2: Jef Ooh nice, let's boom in here. Bec's like, I

2086
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 2: want to look at your wife A.

2087
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah wow, this guy's look at that Hawaiian shirt too, Luke.

2088
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 2: He's living the life out there.

2089
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, he's doing well for himself. Well done there.

2090
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 3: He moved to Puerto Rico after January sixth. Some people

2091
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 3: had to.

2092
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,639
Speaker 2: Luke, and he's got the old Hawaiian shirt. He miss

2093
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 2: be one of the boogaloo boys who shoot federal authorities.

2094
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 3: Nice breaking two electric boogloo. Yeah all right. Chewy is

2095
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 3: here from Marietta, California. I made this meme in two

2096
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:36,519
Speaker 3: seconds after seeing it online. It did say siblings as

2097
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 3: kids siblings as adults, but I tailored it for MKO.

2098
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 3: I gotta see it.

2099
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you blow it up? Read it?

2100
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2101
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 3: That's fair.

2102
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 2: That is fairly accurate.

2103
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very fair, well done, luc You.

2104
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:54,759
Speaker 2: Should also have it, Luke and BC after a rooftop

2105
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,560
Speaker 2: where it's you and me taking turns vomiting at a

2106
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 2: Mexican restaurant.

2107
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 3: And chuck laughing at us, Luke Chewy has a question

2108
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 3: for you. Any chance we get a live show for

2109
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 3: UFC two seventy in Anaheim next year? Does MK do California?

2110
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 2: Uh? We should. There's not any plans right that we

2111
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:16,599
Speaker 2: currently have now, but we'll see. One never knows, one

2112
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 2: never knows.

2113
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I'd love to do La, Luke. You know that's

2114
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 3: my favorite city in the world, right.

2115
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 2: You like La the most?

2116
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 3: Love La.

2117
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 2: I like the food in La. I don't like much else.

2118
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 3: Well, they got BBLS there too, Luke, They do, they do.

2119
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 2: But it's so sprawled out. Everyone sits in traffic and

2120
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 2: shit like I don't I hate that.

2121
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 3: I don't think you have the same love for the

2122
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 3: Mexican latina that you do for the South American con.

2123
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 2: I think you are. I think you are desperately wrong

2124
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 2: about that.

2125
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, all right, wow, all right, we're back.

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01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 2: I uh, off air, I'll told you one time, my

2127
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 2: wife was like, who, who's the most attractive starlet in Hollywood?

2128
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 2: This is several years ago, and to me, it's just

2129
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 2: never changed. It's always been Salmaayak. I realize she's a

2130
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 2: little bit older now, but Salma Hyak has always been

2131
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 2: my like, yeah, she's a for sure. Oh I mean

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01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 2: it's I mean, forget it. And I'll tell you off

2133
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 2: air what my wife said about her. You will laugh,

2134
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 2: you will laugh.

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01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 3: Okay, Ellen w is back, he says, coming soon. Luke

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01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 3: Trt Thomas.

2137
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:16,600
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get on fucking TRT. Bro. I

2138
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 2: have so many people write me and tell me to

2139
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 2: get on TRT that it changed her life. I'm going

2140
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 2: to BC. I should have it. You know. I haven't

2141
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 2: really talked about it on the show because I'm trying

2142
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 2: to keep quiet about it, but I'm pretty happy with it.

2143
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 2: So I don't know how much of this, well, well,

2144
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 2: some of this will rebound, but you know, obviously both

2145
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 2: of us, although me worse, put on some lbs during

2146
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:44,719
Speaker 2: the pandemic. I'm down thirty five now, thirty five pounds.

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01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:49,680
Speaker 2: Yes that is great, Luke, thirty five. Yeah, I'm I'm

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01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 2: on my way. So you might be asking how much

2149
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 2: further do I have to go? Well, the good news

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01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 2: is I'm down thirty five. The bad news is I

2151
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 2: have a shitload more to go.

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01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 3: But are you plus or minus two fifty plus plus?

2153
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 2: But but the goal is to get I don't. Here's

2154
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 2: the thing, dude, I haven't like even when I was

2155
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:10,640
Speaker 2: doing jiu jitsu. I was doing jiu jitsu like four

2156
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 2: five days a week, so I was burning all these calories,

2157
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 2: but I wasn't eating great so I was in decent shape,

2158
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 2: but like all of my ducks were not in a row.

2159
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 2: All of this is to say, I don't even know

2160
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 2: what my natural weight would be anymore. I think I

2161
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,639
Speaker 2: think it's right around two forty. I think two forty

2162
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,640
Speaker 2: is probably a pretty good set point. But we'll have

2163
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 2: to see. I don't know, all right, I.

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01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 3: Put seven pounds on Jamaica, Luke, I gotta get that back.

2165
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,920
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, you must have been eating cheese.

2166
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 3: What were you doing well? I suspended my no beef

2167
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 3: and pork rules that I usually have to protect my liver.

2168
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 3: I suspended that a little bit, so I had a

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01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 3: lot to jerk pork. It was oh so hot hot

2170
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 3: a shit.

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01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 2: You know what if you gotta go on vacation, dude,

2172
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 2: there's no point in going on vacation and then just

2173
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 2: being miserable, fucking eat and then when you're done, lose

2174
01:39:58,800 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 2: the weight. You know.

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01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dilator, It's cool, all right, Jamal's here, he says,

2176
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 3: real talk, Luke. BC has gone for two weeks. That

2177
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 3: means the show can now run properly. My first picture

2178
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 3: is what happens when you leave him to run the show.

2179
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 2: BC.

2180
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 3: Let's let's blow this up the show by himself and

2181
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 3: decided to talk about the sappiest shit records to end

2182
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 3: the show for the last several minutes. This is what

2183
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:24,639
Speaker 3: every Team Luke viewer thought.

2184
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 2: And wish with your first lips, b C.

2185
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 3: The second attachment is the pure and true thoughts of

2186
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:36,760
Speaker 3: what happened afterwards from that show, Luke. I'm a p

2187
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,680
Speaker 3: one day one of yours and about three or four

2188
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 3: shows into your original livestream, with all your technical issues.

2189
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 3: You were struggling for people writing in questions, so that's

2190
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 3: when I started to write you Mma ones, and you

2191
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 3: answered pretty much everything I did. Also, thanks for sending

2192
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:53,759
Speaker 3: me down a hip hop rabbit hole of Jedi mind tricks.

2193
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:56,759
Speaker 3: I've got love for you from the Peg City. It's Jamal,

2194
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 3: the Peg City boy from WPG. Look what the hell's

2195
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 3: the Peg City?

2196
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what that is. We

2197
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 2: blow this meme up, please, I don't get this.

2198
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 3: Uh so this is supposed to be what happened after

2199
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 3: I reviewed records and went on vacation. Hashtag bcu ho

2200
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 3: hashtag replaced all right.

2201
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 2: Yeah it's not very funny, but I appreciate the nice sentiment.

2202
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to find out where Peg City is?

2203
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 3: All right, Russell says, from it.

2204
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 2: Is it was it Winnipeg, must be Winnipeg, right.

2205
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 3: Could be all right? Russell's is coming in from the

2206
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 3: beautiful city of Woodstock, Georgia.

2207
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:41,840
Speaker 2: We still love you, hair, I know where Woodstock is.

2208
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 3: Can't we just go down to ques r at Cobb

2209
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 3: Place play a few rounds? Wouldn't that be cool? Luke?

2210
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 2: I know what he's talking about. That is fun. That's a.

2211
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,879
Speaker 2: That's a fucking hilarious reference.

2212
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 4: Deep cut?

2213
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:55,640
Speaker 3: Can we blow this up?

2214
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 2: What do we got called?

2215
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 3: It? Is?

2216
01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 2: My man? Was you know what? He should have said

2217
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 2: hi when he was here on January sixth?

2218
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 4: You please?

2219
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Woodstock Georgia. You're looking at it right there?

2220
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 3: All right? That guy's got a lot of shirts on them.

2221
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I know, could you have five more

2222
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 2: shirts on? Jesus Christ? Guy? Why don't you just use

2223
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 2: a jacket for crying out loud? I'm just teasing.

2224
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 3: What is Woodstock Georgia known for.

2225
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 2: Me wanting to get the fuck out of it every

2226
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 2: time I was in it?

2227
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:35,599
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, there you go. Alan w is back again? Wow?

2228
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 3: I thought we just read his name. This is the

2229
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:42,960
Speaker 3: first one. Is BC's bde personified Harold Howard. He's coming on.

2230
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 2: This only works if we take out a few of

2231
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 2: your teeth.

2232
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 3: Look, that's probably me, and that's probably my best case scenario.

2233
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:52,559
Speaker 3: If I got in really good shape, I probably look

2234
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 3: exactly like Harrol is about.

2235
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 2: It's about like semi muscular fat trucker.

2236
01:42:57,320 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly. Wow. I you know what, I can't

2237
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 3: pull that look off if I went for it, I

2238
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 3: probably could. The next is Brian as street fighter's guile.

2239
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,680
Speaker 3: You look like an island boy only Yes, that is

2240
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 3: very true.

2241
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:15,799
Speaker 2: Wow, Brian's an island by.

2242
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 3: You didn't see Luke on Have you seen this shit?

2243
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 3: On Monday? We not only had a large Ulrick toilet

2244
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 3: in which you can sit on his lap, we had Karate,

2245
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 3: Hotty and Holly Holm dressed up as island boys. It

2246
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 3: was painful to watch it.

2247
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 2: It sounds like it.

2248
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, connor f says, what's up, donks, Luke.

2249
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 3: Luke may have been excavating X evacuating his bowels off

2250
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:41,400
Speaker 3: the air, but that didn't stop Monday's MK from being

2251
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 3: a ship show. As a wise man never met him

2252
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 3: once said, nothing can be said to be certain except

2253
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:51,519
Speaker 3: death taxes and technical difficulties. Keep up the mediocre work. Wow,

2254
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 3: this guy sent us to hell, Luke.

2255
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what our fans do. I mean, listen, we

2256
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 2: send them to hell when they send in our pictures.

2257
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 2: So it's only right that they roast his back. I

2258
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:01,320
Speaker 2: think that's what this is ahilarious. This is hilarious.

2259
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:03,320
Speaker 3: Isn't that the wrong meme that's supposed to be from

2260
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 3: connor F?

2261
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 2: Well, that's from Andrew. So there you go.

2262
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 4: All right.

2263
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 3: I don't think the meme matches the message whatever, but yeah,

2264
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 3: lifting loves. We've seen that ship before. Okay, let's see

2265
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 3: Neil t. He's got four photos. Greetings from God's own

2266
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 3: country of South Yorkshire. Just a few memes for you guys.

2267
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 3: If you want to just show the memes and ignore

2268
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 3: the text, feel free. A couple of for Luke from

2269
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 3: his week in Vegas. First one showing his love for

2270
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 3: Carl from The Walking Dead.

2271
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 2: You're corrupt this kid? Yeah, fuck this kid, this kid.

2272
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:39,320
Speaker 2: I could not wait for this piece of shit to die.

2273
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 3: The second meme showing us Luke shows us his dream

2274
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 3: way to end MK shows.

2275
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 2: Why is Brian black Y.

2276
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:57,200
Speaker 3: All right? See attached. Then a couple for our man

2277
01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 3: from Connecticut. The first showing is daily struggles of.

2278
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:02,560
Speaker 2: Can you I can't read? The second one can you

2279
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 2: blow it up? Make a serious MMA observation. He hits

2280
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 2: the one on the left more times than you should,

2281
01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 2: but yeah that's fair.

2282
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 3: And the last one is just BC being BC cheers

2283
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 3: for all you do.

2284
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 2: Guys. Dude, this is a good one.

2285
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 4: Goodness.

2286
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 2: The old Stephen Crowder.

2287
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:24,680
Speaker 3: Meme, Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. All right?

2288
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 3: Alan w again, do we is this the same guy

2289
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:29,840
Speaker 3: or do we just what's going on here? Thanks to

2290
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 3: MK my crotch is now smooth. It's a look that says, hey,

2291
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 3: you can put your mouth here. Now here's a play

2292
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 3: on Doctor Dre and Snoop Dogg's nothing but a g thang,

2293
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 3: please blow it up?

2294
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 2: Is that the trimmer in our hands?

2295
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:47,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, ain't nothing but shaved balls. Bay Bee two washed

2296
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 3: out forties so we're crazy. Yeah, that's pretty good movie.

2297
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:54,560
Speaker 2: I know, like, what is your show about? It's me

2298
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,599
Speaker 2: and another guy. We're in our forties and we're washed.

2299
01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 2: That's it. That's that's the show, all right.

2300
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 3: Our final one from Scott h. I did some arting.

2301
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:07,000
Speaker 3: This piece is called the Creation of Combat. If you

2302
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,040
Speaker 3: think it's good enough to go on the fridge beside

2303
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:11,679
Speaker 3: BC's macaroni art, I will send it to you, donks.

2304
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 4: Let's see what we got here, Dons.

2305
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:26,640
Speaker 1: Look at this now, tim this is our life, this

2306
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: is our past. That's the spirit we.

2307
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:30,120
Speaker 2: Bring to this show.

2308
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm Brian Campbell this morning.

2309
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:38,920
Speaker 2: Combat. That is, dude, this is I might have to

2310
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 2: get that as a tattoo. That is incredible.

2311
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 3: That's that's pretty damn good. Shout out to you.

2312
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:45,800
Speaker 2: That's really, really really good.

2313
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 3: Morning Combat at gmail dot com. If you've got some

2314
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 3: art or you want to send us wearing your our merch, whatever,

2315
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 3: I don't care. Hey, Bill and Jen. By the way, Luke,

2316
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 3: you see they circled back and went to Grand Titan

2317
01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 3: in Wyoming. The pictures were amazing, and they said, Luke,

2318
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 3: they'll be in the East Coast this spring, so we

2319
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 3: should get ready because you said when they drive by

2320
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 3: in Jersey City, you won't come out and say hi,

2321
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 3: but you'll yell out the window. That's what you said.

2322
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just fart out the window and you know, wave.

2323
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 2: But that's about it. No, No, I would love to

2324
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:19,800
Speaker 2: meet them. I think they're an unusual couple, and you know,

2325
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 2: they'll probably poison us and throw us in the back

2326
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 2: of their van and take us on their journey with them.

2327
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 3: I should do a show from their camper. That'd be fantastic.

2328
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:28,680
Speaker 2: We should do a podcast from there, which we could do,

2329
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 2: by the way, that's very doable.

2330
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:32,439
Speaker 3: All right, all right, that's all I got, Luke. I

2331
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,640
Speaker 3: got this raging headache from from the two drinks. I had.

2332
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 3: I'm old.

2333
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 2: What were the drinks?

2334
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 3: They were like Moscow mule and the can type deals.

2335
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:42,600
Speaker 3: You know, it's my it's my drink, you know what

2336
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:42,840
Speaker 3: I mean?

2337
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 2: Luke Man, you love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like ginger and something else.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, all right.

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Speaker 2: As a reminder for folks, email us for Friday's dead

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Speaker 2: to those. We'll, of course preview all of the weekends fights.

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Speaker 2: B see any final thoughts before we call it a show. No,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't care. Thanks to all the

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Speaker 2: fans submissions. Thanks to everyone who watched today, See you

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Speaker 2: guys on Friday and then for Malka for showtime for CBS.

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Speaker 2: All of your games,