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Speaker 1: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Chrystal. Indeed, we do, obviously lots

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Speaker 1: meltdown mode in fighting progressives like inter fighting, sniping, canceling

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Speaker 1: each other rather than focusing on the mission. And there's

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Speaker 1: been a total lack of funding and focus on the

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Speaker 1: long term. So there's no doubt about it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think the response on both sides of this issue

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Speaker 1: is extremely telling. The Republicans are saying, what's next? How

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Speaker 1: do we get to that nationwide ban? How do we

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Speaker 1: even in states like Texas and Missouri where we already

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Speaker 1: have the bands in place? How do we go even

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Speaker 1: further and make sure that women can't go out in

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Speaker 1: a state to get abortions? Also, how do we crack

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Speaker 1: down on abortion pills? How do we you know, in

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Speaker 1: states that have a fifteen week ban, how do we

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Speaker 1: push forward for the six week ban? They are focused

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Speaker 1: on what's the next step, what's the next action, How

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Speaker 1: do we organize to get there? Public opinion be damned

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Speaker 1: by the way. And I think that's important too, because

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk on the left about

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Speaker 1: popularism and all this sort of stuff. Listen, they don't

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Speaker 1: care if it's popular or not. They care about their

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Speaker 1: agenda and they're going to do it. Come out, do

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Speaker 1: high water. They're going to figure out the lever to

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Speaker 1: use power to get done what they want to get done.

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Speaker 1: And the response on the Democratic side is like chip

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Speaker 1: in fifteen dollars to send more, like you're already there

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Speaker 1: and you didn't do anything, So what's going to be

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Speaker 1: different this time around? No plan, no strategy, no nothing,

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Speaker 1: even though again Democrats have the people on their side.

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Speaker 1: They have certainly the Democratic based on their side, but

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Speaker 1: they also have independence on their side and twenty two

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Speaker 1: percent of Republicans on their side too in terms of

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Speaker 1: how they feel about this decision. And yet is there

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Speaker 1: any grand strategy to, you know, try to roll these

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Speaker 1: things back, to try to get the other side on

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Speaker 1: the defense. No, not at all. I see that as

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Speaker 1: a major political failure. I really know, especially because like

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Speaker 1: I was saying, these proliferation, these groups like ultraviolet. Why

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Speaker 1: were they spending time trying to cancel Joe Rogan three

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Speaker 1: months ago? I knew this decision was coming, so did you.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it here the day that the court

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Speaker 1: accepted it. I was like, this is a guy's like

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Speaker 1: from what I'm hearing, you know, it pretty much says

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Speaker 1: Roe is dead. Why are these organizations spending time talking

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Speaker 1: about pregnant people and you know, making a laughing stock

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Speaker 1: of themselves by picking fights with other liberal groups or

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Speaker 1: tweeting out clips of Joe Rogan when they should have

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Speaker 1: been doing this. So I think it does show a

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Speaker 1: fundamental lack of seriousness. As you said, say what you

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Speaker 1: want about the fed sock, but like they knew what

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Speaker 1: they were doing over the last forty years organized and

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Speaker 1: the Catholic groups for Life and all these people. They

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Speaker 1: spend a lot of money and they draw a lot

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Speaker 1: of attention. I mean, I remember, I think it was

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Speaker 1: under Trump there was a justice who had not even

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Speaker 1: said she was pro choice, but had not been like

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Speaker 1: wholesale like I'm one hundred percent pro life, and they

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Speaker 1: almost vetoed her actually to make sure that she didn't

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Speaker 1: get onto the I believe it was the DC Circuit Court.

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Speaker 1: This caused like a big brewha in Republican politics. I

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Speaker 1: don't see any this level of seriousness, on that level

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Speaker 1: of organized opposition. All these girls that were supposed to

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Speaker 1: be there to push by the laugh like yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: just joke. I mean, they've just disappeared. They really have.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that I don't know tho one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent of the issue, but I do think a

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Speaker 1: lot of it is this like cia OP that has

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Speaker 1: costed Progressives has spent all their time fighting with each

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Speaker 1: other and like, you know, deciding who's the real progressive

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Speaker 1: and who's woken up, rather than actually pushing any sort

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Speaker 1: of mission or agenda forward and lets Democrats get off

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Speaker 1: the hook. I mean, And so now you do have

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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of an awakening of some liberals

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Speaker 1: of just the extent of the failure and you know,

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Speaker 1: and the rot on the Democratic side. Does that turn

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Speaker 1: into anything? I have no idea, but it is kind

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Speaker 1: of an interesting moment in terms of Democrats grappling with

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Speaker 1: how we got here. Yeah, that's absolutely right. Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and move on here and talk about the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: This is a really fascinating Like I was talking about

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Speaker 1: earlier to split in the coalition. Let's put us up

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Speaker 1: there on the screen. It is not an accident that

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence the moment after this decision, went ahead and

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Speaker 1: came out said that he wants to call for a

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Speaker 1: national abortion ban by fore or Vice President several other Republicans,

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Speaker 1: not just praising the end of row, but signaling the

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Speaker 1: major plan. He said, quote today life won by irver

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Speaker 1: returning rovers is way. The Supreme Court is given the

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Speaker 1: American people a new beginning. He went on to declare,

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Speaker 1: rowe has been consigned to the ash heeap of history.

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Speaker 1: A new arena in the cause of life has emerged.

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Speaker 1: It is incumbent on all who shares the sanctity of

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Speaker 1: life to resolve that we will take the defense of

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Speaker 1: the unborn and support for women and crisis to every

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Speaker 1: state in America. Having been given a second, we must

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Speaker 1: not rest and must not relent until the sanctity of

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Speaker 1: life is restored to the center of American law in

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Speaker 1: every state in the land. Translation that is a national

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Speaker 1: abortion ban. And as I said, I will save some

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Speaker 1: of this for the monologue, but a tiny preview that

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Speaker 1: currently pulls at an all time low of thirteen percent,

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Speaker 1: some eighty seven percent of Americans are supportive of abortion

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Speaker 1: in some form in some cases, so not in the

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Speaker 1: ROVERSUS weight architecture. The Dobbs decision, the fifteen weeks, which

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Speaker 1: is broadly you know, fits with the contours of where

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Speaker 1: European abortion law stand, is actually basically dead center. For

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Speaker 1: I'm talking a vast majority of public, not just the

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Speaker 1: majority of the public, but like the vast eighty seven

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Speaker 1: percent some people in the United States. So if you

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Speaker 1: consider just how out of step with public opinion is,

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Speaker 1: that is what the real next battle is going to be.

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Speaker 1: Let's throw this up there on the screen too, from

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Speaker 1: The Times, which did a decent job here of summarizing

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Speaker 1: how these states, specifically the thirteen different states that have

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Speaker 1: road trigger laws to ban abortion in the immediate wake

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Speaker 1: of any Supreme Court action. They also point to, as

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Speaker 1: you were talking about, the underlying efforts in state legislatures

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Speaker 1: all across the country in order to reach even further.

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Speaker 1: So the major battlegrounds are now going to be things

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Speaker 1: like abortion pills in the mail to people who want them,

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Speaker 1: the ability to have interstate travel, you know, that actually

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Speaker 1: came up in the road decision. Justice Kavanaugh saying he's like,

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Speaker 1: I do not support any ban on interestate, but that

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Speaker 1: is not part of the actual decision. So this all

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Speaker 1: is going to get litigated to high hell. But what

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Speaker 1: I talked about previous in terms of the era defining

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Speaker 1: and creating new choices, is like, look, you have a

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Speaker 1: lot of evangelicals in like six states in the South,

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Speaker 1: and they're frankly gonna do some crazy shit. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're already talking here about I already saw this this morning,

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Speaker 1: which is that Yes, silly Vega, who's the Republican nominee

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Speaker 1: running against Abigail Spaanberger, downplayed the possibility of becoming pregnant

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Speaker 1: as a result of rape when asked about her stance

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Speaker 1: on abortion at a campaign trip. Look, she probably didn't

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Speaker 1: have science district Districtberger, you better vote, you better donate

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Speaker 1: up to the former CIA op literally, she used, working

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Speaker 1: at CIA. Yeah. Anyway, my point that I'm making is

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Speaker 1: now you're going to have this all over the country,

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Speaker 1: and just like defund the police, even if you don't

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Speaker 1: support it, you're going to have to clarify your position.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of why I want to return to what

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Speaker 1: you were saying earlier. I agree that the third stool,

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Speaker 1: their evangelical stool, is going to remain, but they're not

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Speaker 1: united on the goal anymore. Like, here's the truth. Most

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Speaker 1: elite Republicans are liberals. They do not like socially, they

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Speaker 1: don't support they don't support a nationwide abortion ban. They

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Speaker 1: don't barely barely we're on board with overturning Roe versus Wads.

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Speaker 1: So to have to be in the same coalition as

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Speaker 1: the people who literally want to outlaw abortion, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be I think difficult to swallow, not just for elites

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Speaker 1: but for voters. I mean, we're about to talk about

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Speaker 1: this for Trump, but there are a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who voted for Donald Trump one third in fact in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen who are pro choice. So what are they

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Speaker 1: going to do when it comes to how if that

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Speaker 1: is significantly on the ballot. Second, every Republican president from

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Speaker 1: here on out has got a tough as hell time,

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Speaker 1: So you have to try and satisfy. You can't just

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Speaker 1: promise evangelicals, yeah we're going to overturn Row. Now they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be like, no, you need to put a vote

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Speaker 1: on the floor and sign an executive action that bans

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Speaker 1: this as much as possible. Well, guess what, most people

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Speaker 1: don't agree with that. So it's going to be hard.

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Speaker 1: You know, to the extent that you can already win

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Speaker 1: in the electoral college, you're going to have even more

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Speaker 1: of a trouble winning, I think, or at least governing

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Speaker 1: in that form without some sort of major po popular backlash,

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Speaker 1: especially in some of the states that you can point

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Speaker 1: to that are on the edge. I mean Pennsylvania, Yes,

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Speaker 1: they have some Catholics there, but last time I checked,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a legitimate fifty to fifty state. Michigan,

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Speaker 1: same thing. I actually think the industrial Midwest might be easier,

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Speaker 1: the sun Belt. You know, people forget this. There's quite

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Speaker 1: a bit of suburban liberals who live in Arizona. They're

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Speaker 1: the ones who delivered Biden that state. They're not necessarily

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Speaker 1: on board suburban ish voters who are like moderate kind

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Speaker 1: of same in Georgia, the Atlanta suburbs, Nevada, same thing.

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Speaker 1: Around Las Vegas. People were looking at that as a pickup.

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire is another one. I mean, many of these

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Speaker 1: states which are right on the edge, which Republicans would

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Speaker 1: have to flip in order to keep some sort of

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Speaker 1: advantage in the electoral college and the changing map, specifically Trump.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be difficult to push because you

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Speaker 1: have the overwhelming amount of energy from this previously beloved

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Speaker 1: part of the coalition that had a singular goal, which

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Speaker 1: now has divergent political political wish is from the rest.

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Speaker 1: So I do think this will change Republican politics now

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Speaker 1: for all time. The decision too has actually shifted the

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Speaker 1: country more into the pro choice camp. So pro choice

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Speaker 1: to identification is near all time highs, and it's very generational,

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Speaker 1: younger generate. The younger you get, the more pro choice

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Speaker 1: you are. The number of people who support abortion in

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Speaker 1: all or most circumstances has gone up even though, which

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Speaker 1: is which is unusual because since the decision those numbers

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Speaker 1: have been pretty static, and so the fact that you

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Speaker 1: have a significant shift in favor of the pro choice

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Speaker 1: position is notable. And to underscore your point here, Sager,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you two perfect examples. As I said before,

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Speaker 1: Ronda Santas and Florida, they already passed something that was

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Speaker 1: it was a fifteen week pretty round there fifteen week

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Speaker 1: ban which already went beyond you know what Roe said

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Speaker 1: was promise that was basically the debate at the court

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Speaker 1: over Dobbs. So he already put that in. Well, now

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Speaker 1: he's under pressure to go six weeks. Okay, how is

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Speaker 1: that going to impact his ability to win national election?

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Speaker 1: I'll give you another example. Glenn Youngkin in Virginia. Virginia

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Speaker 1: of course had trended blue Biden wanted by what like

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Speaker 1: nine ten points? Yes, that's right, they had all blue

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Speaker 1: Democratic statewide elected officials. Well, Glenn Youngkin, he got pressed

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Speaker 1: on abortion on the campaign troll, but he really just

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Speaker 1: kind of avoided the issue. Well, now the minute that

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Speaker 1: this decision came down, he's out there saying, hey, we

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Speaker 1: want to do a fifteen week abortion. Pan. If this

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Speaker 1: had been the live issue when he was running for governor,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he wins in Virginia. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that he ends up winning in Virginia. Yeah, because I mean,

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Speaker 1: instead of having the conversation about schools and that, the

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Speaker 1: cultural debate was all around that and the northern Virginia suburbs.

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Speaker 1: Remember that was the big shift towards Glenn Youngkin. Do

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Speaker 1: those women vote for Glenn Youngkin when the overturning of

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Speaker 1: Roe and how far Virginia is going to go in

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Speaker 1: that regard is the live issue, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: So you can see the way that this already makes

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Speaker 1: things very difficult when it comes to abortion. Even though

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Speaker 1: you have had more people move into the camp of

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Speaker 1: legal in all or most circumstances, most Americans are kind

655
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Speaker 1: of mixed. You know, it's a complicated moral issue. I

656
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: really do understand that. I get that. And so the

657
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Speaker 1: party that is winning on this issue is going to

658
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Speaker 1: be the party that seems less extreme. With the overturning

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Speaker 1: of Row, the focus of this debate is no longer

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Speaker 1: going to be on these edge cases that are uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: for Democrats, partial birth abortion, late term abortion, that sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff. It's going to be on the you know,

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Speaker 1: on the radical fringe, bleeding edge of pushing for das

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Speaker 1: to prosecute people who are helping women travel across state lines,

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Speaker 1: going after corporations that are, you know, as part of

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Speaker 1: their benefit package, providing the money for their employees to

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Speaker 1: travel across state lines if abortion is illegal in their states,

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Speaker 1: cracking down in abortion pills, pushing the you know, the

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Speaker 1: nationwide ban on abortion going from fifteen weeks to six weeks.

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Speaker 1: Six weeks most women don't even know that they're pregnant

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Speaker 1: yet it really is. So that's where the debate is

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Speaker 1: going to be now. And those things are very unpopular,

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Speaker 1: very hard to defend. As I said before, Like there's

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Speaker 1: been a lot of conversation about just how unpopular defund

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Speaker 1: the police as the slogan is no doubt about it.

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00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: This stuff is way less, it's even less popular, so

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Speaker 1: you know, good luck defending it. And again, this group

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00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: is very organized, very determined, They are energized, and so

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Speaker 1: they are going to be putting a lot of pressure

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Speaker 1: on these Republicans to follow them down increasingly, you know,

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Speaker 1: extreme pathways that lead them further and further out of

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Speaker 1: step with the American public. And the one person who

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Speaker 1: understands this is Donald Trump. So let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: move on. I read this story with great interest, and

685
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: I really was paying attention. I'm like, how is Trump

686
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: handling the overturning of Roe versus way? So let's put

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Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. So on the one hand,

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Speaker 1: publicly he's like we he's taking credit for the decision.

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Speaker 1: On the other, Trump had probably one of the most

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Speaker 1: muted responses to the entire thing. In the immediate term,

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Speaker 1: and apparently behind the scenes with the people that he

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Speaker 1: has been speaking to, Trump has been telling friends and

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Speaker 1: advisors that it will anger suburban women, a group who

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Speaker 1: helped tilt the twenty twenty race back to President Biden,

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Speaker 1: and would possibly lead to a backlash against Republicans in

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Speaker 1: the November midterm elections. Trump has told people that measures

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Speaker 1: like the Texas law banning most abortions after six weeks

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Speaker 1: are quote so stupid, according to a person with a

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Speaker 1: direct knowledge of the discussion, and the Supreme Court let

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Speaker 1: that measure stand in December of twenty twenty one. I

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Speaker 1: also think that you can see immediately in the reaction,

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Speaker 1: Pence was on the ball, had the tweets ready to

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Speaker 1: go calling for the ban. It's very noteworthy that is

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Speaker 1: not what Trump said at all. He apparently has been

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Speaker 1: all over the place. So in May, whenever he was

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Speaker 1: interviewed after the leak by the New York Times, here's

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Speaker 1: what he had to say whenever he was asked if

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Speaker 1: he was going to take credit for the decision. Quote,

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Speaker 1: I never like to take credit for anything, so I

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00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: pointed this out. He's the most homortable guy. Trump took

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00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: credit for fewer airline crashes while he was president. Okay,

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00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna say that. And as they point

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Speaker 1: to mister Trump, who has spent his career of fixing

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Speaker 1: his name to almost anything that he possibly could, in

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Speaker 1: some cases buildings that he did not even own, and

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00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: only license his name to in order to increase their rentability,

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00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: anybody with the brain knows that that is clearly Trump

718
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Speaker 1: having a very difficult time knowing exactly what to do

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Speaker 1: with this. He put the statement out saying it was

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Speaker 1: a victory lap, but he did not go on TV.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't done an interview, and in the immediate term,

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Speaker 1: it's very notable to me put that quote up there.

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Speaker 1: By the way, about the credit, it's just so funny.

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Speaker 1: I never like to take credit for anything. But go

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Speaker 1: to the next one, because you know, this again points

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Speaker 1: to me to something very direct. His immediate reaction in

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Speaker 1: an interview with Fox again not on television, with a

728
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: Fox News reporter, he said, this is following the Constitution

729
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: giving rights back. They should have been a long time ago,

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Speaker 1: and he said, quote, God made the decision from Trump,

731
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Speaker 1: who definitely is a very strong Christian. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you also even point to this, he said in the interview,

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Speaker 1: and in the reaction he said, quote, I think it

734
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: will be good for everybody. This is something that will

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Speaker 1: work out for everyone. These are very muted comments from

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Speaker 1: somebody who Look, no matter what you think about Trump,

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Speaker 1: I think he's always had better political instincts than the

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Speaker 1: rest of the GOP. After all, he's the only Republican

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Speaker 1: who actually could win in twenty sixteen, So I think

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Speaker 1: people should really understand why he is personally uncomfortable. Look,

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Speaker 1: Trump was pro choice as soon as like what twenty

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Speaker 1: eleven parenthood. Go back to what you know, that segment

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Speaker 1: that we did about Texas kicking out the game a

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Speaker 1: log cabin Republicans. That's a harbinger because you saw that

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00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: Donald Trump Junior was like, Hey, why are we doing this?

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Speaker 1: Why are we kicking out these gay Republican groups? Whenever

747
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: we should be united against the left. The Trump family,

748
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: they're New Yorkers. At the end of the day, their

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00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: ability to win the presidency had far less to do

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Speaker 1: with social conservatism. And I'm talking about the national electorate,

751
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: not the GOP primary, because those are two distinct things.

752
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: Had much more to do with a backlash against political correctness, corruption,

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00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: elite hatred against Hillary Clinton than it had to do

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00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: anything with abortion. Hence why one third of the people

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Speaker 1: there are far more people who voted for Donald Trump

756
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: whore a pro choice than vice versa who are pro

757
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: life who voted for Hillary Clinton who voted for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: They understand that. Anybody with the brain understands that can

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00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: look at a crosstab. Now, this I think will face

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00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: some issues for Trump because he also can't stop but

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00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: love the adulation right the evangel He's gonna be a

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00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: rock star amongst the evangelicals for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 1: So I do think he's probably gonna lean into it

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Speaker 1: a little bit when he realizes the pop that it's

765
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: gonna get amongst those crowds in the South. But he's

766
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: not dumb enough to understand. He's not dumb enough to say, oh,

767
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Speaker 1: that's the entire electorate. The only chance that the Trump

768
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Speaker 1: has with all of this is to just say we're

769
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Speaker 1: moving on and I'm not going to do anything more.

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Speaker 1: But how can you do that when you're going to

771
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: get pummeled from the right by the Ted Cruzes, the

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00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: Mike Pences, and the social cons who no longer have

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Speaker 1: an affirming reason to vote for you in such a primary.

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Speaker 1: This scrambles Ron DeSantis' chances, Trump's chances. It really does

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Speaker 1: actually create maybe like a permanent twenty two percent or

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Speaker 1: so of the Republican primary electorate which is up for

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Speaker 1: grabs by whoever's the most you know, the most Michelle

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Speaker 1: Bachman or whatever, most Mike Pence on abortion. So I

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00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: do think it poses big challenges for Trump personally in

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Speaker 1: terms of his politics. I mean, the only thing I

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00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: will say is to your point about because he was

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Speaker 1: the president who put these justices in place and got

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Speaker 1: it done, maybe he gets some latitude, I think, even

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Speaker 1: angelical right on these issues. But yeah, there's no doubt

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Speaker 1: he's uncomfortable. And if you recall back in the twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen campaign, it was kind of a journey for Trump

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Speaker 1: to get to the place where then he puts Mike

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Speaker 1: pens as his vice president and then releases that list

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Speaker 1: of Supreme Court justices. That was all in sort of

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Speaker 1: like the fallout after the grabber by the whatever comments,

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Speaker 1: and there was a worry that you know, the evangelical

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Speaker 1: right was just going to collapse and they were going

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Speaker 1: to leave, and that's it puts out the list of justice.

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Speaker 1: It kind of locks that in. But he made all

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Speaker 1: kinds of weird comments about abortion throughout his campaign that

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Speaker 1: showed this was not an issue that he really had

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Speaker 1: thought about. He clearly didn't unders even really understand what

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Speaker 1: the social conservative position is. Remember when he tried to

799
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Speaker 1: go too hard and he got asked a question about

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Speaker 1: whether women should be criminalized, it was like, of course

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Speaker 1: there should be a punishment the you know, evangelical right,

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, no, we don't say that, we

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Speaker 1: don't do that, we don't go there. And he had

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Speaker 1: to clean that up. So, you know, there was clearly

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Speaker 1: a sort of lack of unders standing, lack of comfort

806
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Speaker 1: with the issue, and instinctive understanding too that this is

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Speaker 1: just you know, when you get out there on the

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Speaker 1: fringe where the Supreme Gourd has now put the debate,

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Speaker 1: this is dramatically unpopular. The other thing I wanted to

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Speaker 1: point out from the pulling that we looked at in

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Speaker 1: the first part is if you look at demographic groups.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Republicans very excited about the way that they've

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Speaker 1: been performing with Latinos, hoping they can bring Latinos over

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Speaker 1: into their coalition. Well, two thirds of a Hispanic Americans

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Speaker 1: disapprove of this decision, way more than white Americans, So

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Speaker 1: I know sometimes there's an assumption that Hispanic Americans are

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Speaker 1: sort of more socially conservative. Not on this issue. It's

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Speaker 1: about fifty percent. Just over half of white Americans disapproved,

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Speaker 1: two thirds of Hispanic Americans disapproved, three quarters of Black

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Speaker 1: Americans disapprove. So this also puts you at odds with

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Speaker 1: the constituency that you were starting to win over, that

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Speaker 1: people were starting to get excited about bringing into the tent.

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Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it definitely makes things a lot more complicated,

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00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: and it gives a very if someone like Pence wants

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Speaker 1: to challenge Trump in the twenty twenty four primary, it

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00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: gives them a very clear issue where they can get

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Speaker 1: to his run. I'm not saying they're going to win,

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Speaker 1: but they could push him in a direction where he'd

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Speaker 1: have to adopt something like this, which could then come

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Speaker 1: and hurt him in the general election. I'm reading the

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Speaker 1: timeline of Trump's pro lifew it's so funny. I've forgotten

832
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Speaker 1: some of this from twenty sixteen, nineteen ninety nine quote.

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Speaker 1: I'm very pro choice. I hate the concept of abortion.

834
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Speaker 1: I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when I

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Speaker 1: listen to people debating the subject. But you still I

836
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Speaker 1: just believe in choice. Then sometime between ninety nine and

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Speaker 1: twenty eleven at Seapack, he just says, I'm pro life

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Speaker 1: and against gun control. Then, in one of his first

839
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Speaker 1: interviews after his announcing his candisey, Jake Tapper says, so

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Speaker 1: are you choice or you pro life? And he says

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Speaker 1: I'm pro choice, And Tapper goes, are you pro choice

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00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: or your pro life? And he goes, I'm pro life.

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00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And then he had the debate where he

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Speaker 1: talked about had the debate where you talked about women

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Speaker 1: need to be criminalized and he's like, oh no, I

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Speaker 1: take it back. So, look, the man is all over

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00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: the place as to what he personally believes. I'll let

848
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Speaker 1: you make the decision for that. How it matters in

849
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Speaker 1: terms of politics, I think we have laid out a

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00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: pretty convincing case that he understands it could be bad

851
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: for him. Who knows how it all works out. Look,

852
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: politics is crazy. You know. People say one thing, Oh yeah,

853
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to vote today. Who knows if any

854
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: of it's actually true? Yeah, there's really no way to

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Speaker 1: I guess just to sum up my thought, and this

856
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: is a massive wild card that has entered the play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just me. It's big uncertain It would have That's

858
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: exactly right. It would have been impossible to predict the

859
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: way that Row upended politics for fifty years, and I

860
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: think it's very hard to see to predict how this

861
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: is going to upend politics in similar ways and create

862
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: a lot of challenges and where it's going to matter

863
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: and where it's not going to matter, and which elections

864
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: is going to matter in which it's not. Because listen,

865
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: the other thing that we've seen happen in other countries

866
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: and this is just I mean, it's a percent going

867
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: to happen here. You're going to have instances where women

868
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: die in horrific, tragic circumstances because of this decision and

869
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: because of the laws that are being passed at the

870
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: state level, and there will there will be instances where

871
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: those become flashpoints and just total national outrage. Remember like

872
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: Arry Shaivo, right, you know that dom there was an

873
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: instance like this in Ireland that really shifted the way

874
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: that they were, you know, and ultimately changed their laws.

875
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: So so you are going to have those incredibly just raw, emotional,

876
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: horrific results because of the decisions that have just been

877
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: made that are going to focus the public's attention in

878
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: a way that's going to be extremely hard for Republicans

879
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: who are disproportionate impacted and influenced by this part of

880
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: their coalition. They're going to have a hard time responding.

881
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Ukraine. Obviously that's still important.

882
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

883
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: So Savera Nodniet, that major standpoint where between Ukraine and

884
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: Russia really on the front line, has finally fallen to

885
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: the Russians after probably the war's bloodiest fight so far.

886
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean, thousands and thousands of casualties on both sides.

887
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: We don't know the exact number because they're not being

888
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: really released. But the Ukrainians are saying that they were

889
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: carrying out a quote tactical regrouping by pulling its forces

890
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: out of the city, and really what you're seeing here

891
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: is a victory for Russian style war of attrition. They

892
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: have bombarded the city, almost leveled it really with artillery,

893
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: and they're moving artillery forward. They have several more supplies

894
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 1: than the Ukrainians. They've changed up their own supply lines,

895
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: and they seem committed very much to this strategy, which

896
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: is just a long and a blinding war of attrition,

897
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: moving the front line back and back and back. And

898
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: we have to be honest here, even with all of

899
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: the weapons that we've shipped to Ukraine, the manpower even

900
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: that they've been able to draw on, they just have

901
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: an inferior force in the face of this this level

902
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: of armament that the Russians have. You know, one of

903
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: the things we had to emphasize is that, yes, the

904
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: Russians embarrassed themselves by not being able to take Kiev

905
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: and really showing the world that they're not a first

906
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: class military, but that doesn't mean they're a third class

907
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: military either. And when you're a second class military with

908
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons, you're still something to be reckoned with and

909
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: you still can win, you know, some military tactical victories

910
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: on the battlefield. So I think this is noteworthy in

911
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: terms of how it's going to impact ongoing discussions right

912
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: now between the G seven leaders who have decided to

913
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: push some more sanctions on Russia. At the same time,

914
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: the Russians making a big show of things in response

915
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: to the G seven summit. Let's put this up there

916
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: on the screen. They went ahead and struck what they

917
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: claim are Western supplied tanks in some Kiev air strikes.

918
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: So the air strikes were very much meant to rock

919
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: the world. Kiev had not been under the similar level

920
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: of bombardment as in the early days of the war

921
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: for quite some time, and I think it is just

922
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: a show of force in order to show the West

923
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: so like, hey, we still have this cape of ability.

924
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: We could do it anytime we want. We don't care

925
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: about the ramifications. Screw you, screw your sanctions, and if

926
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: you continue to ship arms here, we're going to bomb

927
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: the hell out of them. And that hasn't necessarily changed

928
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: any of the calculus currently among the G seven and

929
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: really amongst the West, because if you consider the story

930
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: that we're about to show you in this context, as

931
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: we have always warned, which is that as the public

932
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: losers interests and as wars go on, the amount of

933
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: things that can go wrong and the changes in what's

934
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: happening on the ground that we don't sign off on

935
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: and which can escalate in the Gray War, which could

936
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: come back to bide us are significant, so let's throw

937
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: us up there. Now. The New York Times now reporting

938
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: that a secretive operation involving US Special Operations Forces, CIA

939
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: assets and other NATO troops inside of Ukraine is not

940
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: just continuing, but is coordinating the flow of weapons. So

941
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: what they say, and again you have to take this

942
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: all with green of salt, who knows how much it

943
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: is true, is that CIA personnel remain on the ground

944
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: in Ukraine, specifically in Kiev, directing most of the intelligence

945
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: that the US is sharing with Ukrainians, which they use

946
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: to take out some Russian assets, some kill some Russian generals,

947
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: but also other NATO Special Operations forces. I think that

948
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: is the most noteworthy one to me, which is, yeah,

949
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: there aren't US troops there as well. Always remind you

950
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: we have an Article five treaty with all of these countries.

951
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: So what happens. I'm gonna read off the countries that

952
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: have special operations inside Britain, France, Canada, and Lithuania. So

953
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: we have four NATO allies who have troops on the

954
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: ground in Ukraine. What happens if one of those guys

955
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: gets killed? I mean, we really don't nobody knows the

956
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: answer to that question. I was always worried about this

957
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: when we had Special Operations guys on the ground in Syria,

958
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, what if a Russian airstrike

959
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: kills one of these guys, Like, what is going to happen?

960
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: People don't remember Turkey actually shot down a Russian jet

961
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, which shocked the whole world. And you know,

962
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: thankful there was some diplomacy between Erdowan and Putin and

963
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: everything was everything worked out. You know, Turkey is also

964
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: in NATO, so you get a NATO four shoot down

965
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: a Russian plane. These are all things that can happen

966
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: on the margins of the Gray War. So one of

967
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: these guys gets killed, it could be an escalation on

968
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: our part. And look, these things are not ending anytime soon.

969
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: That's the point that we're making by starting with the

970
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: fall of severa no douniezk is because the front line, yes,

971
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: has been pushed back, but there are still months, possibly

972
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: years left just fighting over in the eastern dunboss As.

973
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: We are shipping even more weapons. As of this morning,

974
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: we learned the G seven and the United States, of course,

975
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: specifically bankrolling and buying some long, medium and relong range

976
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: missiles on behalf of the Ukrainians. I'm not sure what

977
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: the other G seven economies are doing. By the way,

978
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: you know, last time I checked the whole point of

979
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: the G seventy of the world's largest economies that are

980
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: all getting together. Why can't they buy them. That's a

981
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: great question that somebody should ask them. But we are

982
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: providing in billions dollars of even more weapons, more artillery

983
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: towards the front line, and it's going to continue in

984
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: Court Nation with NATO, with having our guys there, and

985
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: not just our guys, but our allies. And if they

986
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: get into a scrap, I think, as we have now

987
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: shown the world, we will bear the significant costs and

988
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: bront of this military action as usual for this region. Listen,

989
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot to say about this, But if there

990
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: was any doubt remaining in your mind that this was

991
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: a proxy war between the US and Russia, I think

992
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: the CIA operatives on the ground tell you everything you

993
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 1: need to know, and we've been trying to because these

994
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: little accounts appear in the press, and the funny thing

995
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: is the people who are leaking this, they're bragging about Yeah,

996
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: of course, they think the American public going to be like,

997
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: that's great that there's CIA operatives on the ground. I'm

998
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: sure there is a large percent of the American public

999
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: it probably does feel that way. But you get these

1000
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: little glimpses where they admit they've done offensive cyber attacks,

1001
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: where they admit just how much they're coordinating the intelligence

1002
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: and how responsible they were for some of the top

1003
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: targeting in terms of killing Russian generals taking out that

1004
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: that exactly. Yeah, so we're learning even more about just

1005
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: how in we are. And so I want you to

1006
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: keep that in mind when Biden says things about how like, oh,

1007
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: we just want to support whatever the Ukrainians want. No,

1008
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: we're driving this train. There is no doubt about it.

1009
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: This is a proxy war between the US and Russia,

1010
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: and it is an extremely dangerous game that we were

1011
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: playing here along with our NATO allies. You know. I

1012
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: think the battle update here with regards to sever Donetsk

1013
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: is also incredibly important because Russia has learned their initial

1014
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: strategy of like the lightning strikes and going into Kiev

1015
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: and all that that didn't work out. They've adjusted and

1016
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: now they've landed on something that is working very well.

1017
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: They are the article that we had up there before.

1018
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: So is this likely to have seen by Russia as

1019
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: vindication for it switched from its early failed attempt at

1020
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: lightning warfare to a relentless, grinding offensive using massive artillery

1021
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: in the east. Also, the strikes that Russia launched at

1022
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: not only Kiev but other parts of the country that

1023
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: hadn't been hit recently, these should be seen as a

1024
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: response not only the G seven summit, but also to

1025
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: the US delivering those longer range rockets. Remember when we

1026
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: said we were going to do that, Putin told state

1027
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: television they would hit fresh targets in Ukraine if we

1028
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: followed through with it. Here's the quote, if such missiles

1029
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: were supplied. Quote, we will strike at those targets which

1030
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: we have not yet been hitting, said Putin, who's believed

1031
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: to be closely involved military decision making. He did not

1032
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: specify exactly what, although logistics points would be amongst the

1033
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: most logical targets, and that is exactly what they are

1034
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: saying anyway, that they hit the Ukrainians are saying that

1035
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: they were something different. So keep in mind when we

1036
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: act when we escalate, Russia has options as well, and

1037
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: so we keep playing this extremely dangerous game and seemingly

1038
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: no end in sight here. Yeah, that's right. And on

1039
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:08,479
Speaker 1: the diplomatic front, Crystal, Yeah no. So a couple big

1040
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: pieces to report this morning. So first of all, last

1041
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: week we brought you the news about Kaliningrad. It's this

1042
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: sort of like this strange piece of territory that is exclave.

1043
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: By the way, I miss it, not an oddect. I've

1044
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: never heard that word. It's a good word. So it's

1045
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: separated from Russia and a lot of their goods, but

1046
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: it is part of Russia. A lot of their goods

1047
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: to get into Cliningrad have to go through Lithuania. So

1048
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: Lithuania has now they say, pursuant to EU sanctions, blocked

1049
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: some of what is going into Kaliningrad. Now there are

1050
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: competing claims about how much is being blocked. Russia seems

1051
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: to be using this as sort of like a focal

1052
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: point and a lightning rod for their own population to say, see,

1053
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: look at you know the lengths that these Westerners are

1054
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: going to. NATO is specifically doing, yes, but they're exactly

1055
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: But there's there's no doubt that some goods are ultimately

1056
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: being let's go ahead and put this up on the screen.

1057
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: This is not anywhere close to result. The headline here

1058
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: is from the BBC says coliningrad Row Lithuania accuses Russia

1059
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: of lying about real blockade. The Kremlin is condemning these

1060
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: sanctions as illegal and unacceptable. Leader of Lithuania saying that

1061
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: passengers are still able to travel freely across Lithuanian territory

1062
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: and only about one percent of Russian freight was affected.

1063
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: So listen, the point is, and also here's another piece

1064
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: that's important. Further sanctions are actually due to kick into

1065
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: place in August and again in December, covering things like

1066
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: luxury goods and crude oil. So whatever they are blocking now,

1067
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: they're set to block even more in the upcoming months.

1068
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: But really, whatever the reality of the situation is, this

1069
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Speaker 1: has become another one of these flash points Soger that

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Speaker 1: with very unpredictable ultimate outcomes. Yeah, and so right now,

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Speaker 1: actually the G seven announcing new sanctions on Russia. Let's

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00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: put this up there. They're going to go ahead and

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00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: ban imports of Russian gold, and that's in order to

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00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: try and go and impose even more costs on the

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Speaker 1: Russian economy. This was kind of an expected one that

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Speaker 1: they were going to go ahead and say, because gold

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00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: is actually the second largest export from Russia after energy.

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Speaker 1: It's a major source of revenue actually for Putin and

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00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: for Russia. But I just think it always comes back

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00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: to this. Okay, Yeah, the G seven can ban it,

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00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: that's fine. But guess what. The G seven, while comprising

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00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: a significant portion of the world's economy, is not the

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00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: entire world economy. And as we had learned with oil,

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00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: unless you have all one hundred and ninety five or

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00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: four whatever other countries on board, well, it's not one

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00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: percent clear that this will work. I'm not going to

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00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: say that the sanctions haven't been effective in some means.

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00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: You know, Russia did just default actually on its debt

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00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: for the first time. This was a triggered default of

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00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: debt as a result of blocking them from being able

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Speaker 1: to pay certain times in enumerated US dollars. But the

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00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: krem is saying, look, we didn't default on our debt.

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00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: They're doing it because they were not able to pay

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00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: it based upon the sanctions that you've given us. So

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00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: it's not like we're unable to pay our debt. It's

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00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: just that you won't let us literally pay it in

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00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: our denominated currency, like we want to pay it in rubles,

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00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: So why don't you just say ruble, which right now

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00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: is floating actually quite high to the thing anyway. So

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00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: these are all instruments in order to try and hit

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00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: back against the Kremlins managed currency, which they're doing everything

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Speaker 1: they possibly can in order to keep the ruble high.

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00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: And just remember, I mean they're printing money on oil,

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00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: printing more money than they have ever seen before, far

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00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,919
Speaker 1: more than they actually need in order to conduct the war.

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00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: Even in terms of their consumer economy. I hate to

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00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: say it, but they seem to they're certainly suffering. But

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00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: you know McDonald's over there was taken over by a

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00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: Russian chain. Apparently they sold more birds than they ever

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00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: have in their history on their first day that they reopen.

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00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: They have some Russian name or whatever for it. I'm

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00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: sure it doesn't taste as good, but look, you know,

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00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: so that they still have McDonald's. Some of the other

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00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: state ASCID are some of the other private assets that

1115
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: we left behind. Western companies are just going to get nationalized,

1116
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: kind of like what happened in Venezuela. But I think

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00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: part of The problem is always going to be is

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00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: this is in Venezuela. You know, Russia is a second

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00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: world almost first world country. They have a major intellectual

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Speaker 1: technical know how. They are going to be able to

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Speaker 1: operate these in some form. The Iranians got by for

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Speaker 1: forty something years, you know, by being sanctioned today a

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Speaker 1: full friend in China as well. Right, they have some

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00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: equipment in China. They're going to be a yes, is

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Speaker 1: going to scramble the global supply chain, especially for oil,

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00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: and they're not going to be able to have the

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Speaker 1: same parts that they've usually been able to rely on.

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Speaker 1: But they also know that if their gas infrastructure goes down,

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Speaker 1: the West's gas prices go up. So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of interplay that I think is still happening at the

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00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: bottom level. But the most significant part that we really

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Speaker 1: have to focus on. Yeah, Yeah, there's one other piece

1133
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: on the sanctions front that I think is important because

1134
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: I think the West is realized that the oil sanctions

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00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: have a lot of these sanctions have backfired, as you

1136
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: were saying, like Russia's Putin's regime richer than ever, raking

1137
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: in record breaking oil profits, and so they're trying to

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00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: figure out how to deal with this. And one thing

1139
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: that they're floating at the G seven is what they're

1140
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: calling a buyer's cartel. So basically, you know the same

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00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: way that OPEC colludes to set what oil prices they're

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Speaker 1: going to be and how much they're going to come whatever,

1143
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: it's the same idea except on the other side. So

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00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: you get a bunch of countries together, they ban together

1145
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: and say we're only going to buy at this price

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00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: to effectively cap the price that they're paying for oil. Now,

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00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: it's complicated how this would ultimately work. If it would

1148
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: ultimately work, I think a lot of people are concerned

1149
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: about what the ultimate impact could be and whether this

1150
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: is going to be effective. But there's a clear recognition here.

1151
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Speaker 1: Number one, Europe very dependent on Russia for energy, and

1152
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: so they're kind of trying to have their cake and

1153
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: eat it too by saying like, we're going to get

1154
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: your energy, but we're going to get at the price

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Speaker 1: that we want, because that's how it works when you

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00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: buy stuff right. Well, and I mean again I said

1157
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: this last time, I do think it's funny that, like

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00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you said the word price

1159
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: controls here in the US you'd be treated like a

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00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: knuckle dragger, like you can't you know, this is insane

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00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: and against every economy or whatever whatever. But then when

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00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 1: it comes to like trying to punish Russia, they'll throw

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00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: their economic orthodoxy out the window and do whatever it takes.

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Speaker 1: So they're considering, apparently pretty seriously, trying to implement some

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00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: kind of regime like this now. I mean, Russia could

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Speaker 1: just say no, but great game of chicken. Yeah, And

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00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: they could say, listen, we got buyers over here in

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Speaker 1: China and India that we're happy to do business with,

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00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: so we're we're not playing your games. So it does

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00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: create some risk there as well, but that's what's being

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00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: floated right now. Look, it's basic econ. You're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm only going to pay you ax. You're like, okay,

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00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: well fulfill your demand up to the point where it

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Speaker 1: makes sense for me, and then I'll fulfilled demand somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: So okay, I mean this is Look, this is effectively

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Speaker 1: what it's going to do is a It means that

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Speaker 1: the Europeans will burn even more coal because they've decommissioned

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01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: a lot of their nuclear plants, and even right now

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01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: Germany is already talking and floating the idea of possible

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01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: blackouts come winter because they won't have the energy capacity

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01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: in order to mean it. They are already paying sky

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01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: high oil prices. By the way, what do you think

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01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: the price of oil globally did at the moment they

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Speaker 1: started discussing this went up again. So look, this is

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Speaker 1: going to have significant impact on Brent crude. It's also

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01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: going to disrupt the oil markets even further. I just

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01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: think it will have the same impact, which is the

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01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: rush the Chinese and the Indians are like, hey, sell

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Speaker 1: it to us. We'll pay you know, one hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: a barrel, which is cheaper than the world market, and

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01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: then the Indians will turn around and sell half of

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Speaker 1: it toast at very higher price. And there's some guys

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Speaker 1: in New Delhi just you know, washing their hands and

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01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: bawling out in Mumbai. So I think that's probably the

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Speaker 1: net effect of what is going to happen on this

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Speaker 1: entire thing. On the diplomatic front, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: throw themselves there. This is wild, okay, So we had it.

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Speaker 1: We can get a lot of attention in the mainstream press.

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Speaker 1: But remember we had reported that when Boris Johnson went

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Speaker 1: to Kiev and met with Zelenski. Ukrainian press reported that

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Speaker 1: part of his message was we do not want you

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Speaker 1: to negotiate with Russia. And that was during the time

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Speaker 1: when talks were live. They were meeting, you know, their

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Speaker 1: emissaries were meeting together, I think in Turkey at that point.

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Speaker 1: Not that there was great hope they were going to

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Speaker 1: come to some deal, but Boris Johnson personally went there

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Speaker 1: to deliver this message to Zelenski, we are not ready

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Speaker 1: for you to end this war. Well, now we have

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01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: news that Boris Johnson, when he just spoke with Emmanuel

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01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: mccrummel at the G seven at the G seven also

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Speaker 1: said we do not want a Ukraine settlement. Politico's headline

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Speaker 1: is Johnson warns Macrome not to attempt Ukraine settlement. Now

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Speaker 1: they say that that would that settling the conflict in

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Speaker 1: Ukraine would only cause quote enduring instability. According to the

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Speaker 1: UK government. In a British account of the pair Sunday

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Speaker 1: encounter at the G seven summitsputed by the way by

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Speaker 1: the French side, Downing Street said Johnson had told Macron

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Speaker 1: such a move would quote give Russian President Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 1: license to manipulate both sovereign countries and international markets in perpetuity.

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Speaker 1: This comes after he had urged G seven and NATO

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Speaker 1: allies not to encourage Ukraine to settle for a quote

1222
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: bad piece as Russia's war drags on, called on Western

1223
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: powers to give the Ukrainian strategic endurance that means it's

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Speaker 1: going to last a long time, adding that my message

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Speaker 1: to my colleagues is now is not the time to

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Speaker 1: settle and encourage the Ukrainians to settle for a bad piece,

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01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: for a piece for which they are invited to give

1228
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: up chunks of their territory in return for a ceasefire.

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01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: Uk and the US have been pretty much in lockstep

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Speaker 1: with this message, with their policy, with how they they

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01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: think the thing to do is keep this war going

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Speaker 1: and try to bleed Russia dry. You have France and

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Speaker 1: Germany that have been on the other side of that, saying, no,

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01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: we should be pushing for peace, we should be pushing

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Speaker 1: for diplomacy. And I would submit that if you are

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Speaker 1: in interested in peace, if you are interested in avoiding

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01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: the possibility of nuclear war, France and Germany are correct

1238
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: that we should be pushing with everything we can to

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01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: get these countries to the table to negotiate a settlement.

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01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: And the last thing I will say about this is,

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01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: again there's a lot of rhetoric from the US government

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01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: that's very hands off, like, oh, we're just supporting what

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01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: the Ukrainians want to do, total complete bullshit. Boris Johnson

1244
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: makes it clear we are pushing them in one particular direction,

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01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: and that direction is for this war to last in

1246
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: definitely right. And look, if the Ukrainians want to pursue peace,

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01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: we said this before, how would Zelenski play that in

1248
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: the anglosphere If you have the UK and the Wes

1249
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: being like, no, we don't want you to. He has

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01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: one interest remaining in power and continuing the war effort.

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01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: So his billion dollars multi billion dollars, bigot, let's be honest,

1252
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: is going to be turned off completely the moment he

1253
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: goes and tries to meet with Moscow. So we don't

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01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: have the incentives in the right way. Yeah, once again,

1255
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: the Germans and the French are the ones who are

1256
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: bearing the brunt of this. From an energy crisis perspective,

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Speaker 1: it really is an anglo versus continental split. And in

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Speaker 1: this case, I'm not a huge fan of the continental Europeans,

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Speaker 1: but their security is far more at threat, both energy

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Speaker 1: wise and national security wise than ours is. I do

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Speaker 1: think we should listen to them on this front, because

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01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: they're the ones who are in the driver's seat. They're

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Speaker 1: the ones who have to live with putin in their

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01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: either backyard or front yard in the Germans cases, not us,

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Speaker 1: Like we're over here, we're fine. So if you consider

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Speaker 1: it in that perspective, the split here is very important.

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Speaker 1: And I also think this is part of the reason

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Speaker 1: I wish the Europeans would step up more. They have

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Speaker 1: no credibility in these discussion because they don't buy anything,

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01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: they don't do anything whenever it comes to the conflict.

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Speaker 1: We're the ones who are footing this eleven to one

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Speaker 1: from a cost perspective, so of course they're not in

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01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: the driver's seat. You know, Macron can get on the

1274
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: phone and say whatever he wants, same with the Germans.

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Speaker 1: So they don't show up militarily, they don't show up economically,

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Speaker 1: and then we get to dominate the entire discussion. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that we should be the sole determiners of

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Speaker 1: what happens on the European continent. And I mean Apparently

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Speaker 1: they don't either, but they're not really willing to put

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Speaker 1: their money where their mouth is. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: an unfortunate situation. Indeed, Okay, let's move back here to America,

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Speaker 1: to simpler times of Liz Cheney. What's out of here

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01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: in her primary? This is a very telling thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: post jan six committee, which kind of got washed over

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Speaker 1: by Roe versus. Way, let's go and put this up

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01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: there on the screen. Liz Cheney is now sending mail

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Speaker 1: to Wyoming Democrats with instructions on how to switch parties

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Speaker 1: to vote for her in the state's August primary. So

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Speaker 1: she he sent out these mailers which say, how do

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Speaker 1: I change my party affiliation to register as Republican so

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Speaker 1: I can vote for Liz Liz And it go ahead,

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Speaker 1: and it lists the exact process, how can I get

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Speaker 1: an absencey ballot? When does it need to be returned

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01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: with the exact instructions? And I think it's noteworthy because

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01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: just in February, she told The New York Times she

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Speaker 1: would not make a concerted effort to reach out to

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Speaker 1: Democrats to ask them to change parties. To say her quote,

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Speaker 1: that is not something I have contemplated that I have

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Speaker 1: organized or I will organize, And now her campaign is

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01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: sending out direct mail crystal to Wyoming Democrats. I think

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Speaker 1: that is probably as close to a what that is

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01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: as close to a indication of how bad things are

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01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: going for her in the state. She outright reversed herself

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01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: said I won't organize it, and now her campaign is

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01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: directly doing it. I mean, listen, I'm no expert on

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01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: Wyoming politics. Well make it takes a genius. I would

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01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: say that if you're depending on Wyoming Democrats, where they're

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01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: like five of them, yeah, to try to win your

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01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: Republican primary, it's probably not a great political situation for you.

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Speaker 1: They had some numbers in this article I think it's

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Speaker 1: a New York Times article. They said, between January and June,

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01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: the number of registered Republicans increased by one thy six

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01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty nine. Number of Democrats an on affiliated

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01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: voters drop I told thirteen hundred. So there's some indication

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01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: that maybe you got one thousand Democrats to switch Congrats.

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01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: That's not going to do. That would be fair to do.

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01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: It's only like half a million people who live in Wyoming. True. True.

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01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: They even have a quote from some like Democratic Party

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01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: chair or something like that in the state, and he said,

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Speaker 1: even if every Democrat in the state switched over, I

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01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: don't think it'd be enough to help her. Her power

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01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,919
Speaker 1: rating much higher with Democrats now than it is with Republicans,

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01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: which is like sad on every level for the country

1324
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: because she is lockstep. You know, right, Republican voter voted

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01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: with Trump. I don't remember ninety some percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: So if you're a Republican, it's sad that the reason

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Speaker 1: you don't like hers because she actually, for once in

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Speaker 1: her life did the right thing in terms of like

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Speaker 1: being honest about stop the steal and what a bunch

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01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: of crazy nonsense it was. It's sat on the Democratic

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Speaker 1: side that you would have like that, that's your bars,

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01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: just like say the right thing about Trump and then

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Speaker 1: we'll love you. And I saw this. I saw some

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01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: of this discourse online during the January sixth hearings where

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01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: people were like, I mean, I get it, but do

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01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: we really have to blindize Pence and act like you

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01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: some hero Like there was some discomfort and that there

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01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: was a lot of like cope of but I understand

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01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: it's for a better cause. So yeah, I think she's

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01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: not in a great position here in her primary, which again,

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01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: I think the status of Liz Cheney says a lot

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01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: about the state of our politics and how Trump ultimately

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01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: became like the most important dividing line in terms of

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01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: how people feel about candidates, more so than any policy

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01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: or any issue. And she's also gotten a little crosswise

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01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: with some of her potential Democratic base. Go ahead and

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01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. Her tweet here and

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Speaker 1: the wake of Row being overturned, she says, I've always

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Speaker 1: been strongly pro life. Today is ruling by the Supreme

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01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: Court returns power to the states, and the people of

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01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: the states who address the issue of abortion under state

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01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: laws are really leaning into the state's rights thing, even

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01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: though there are plenty of Republicans who actually want the

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01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: national band. But she was really getting kind of riped

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01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: over the colls from her new resistance liberal base who

1356
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: were shocked to find out that, guess what, she's actually

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01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: pro life, not your friend. Turns out she's pro live,

1358
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 1: pro Afghanistan war forever, you know, pro deficit cutting, pro

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01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: She's a Cheney. I mean, she has openly said I

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01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: agree with almost everything my dad did while he was

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01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: in office. Well, I think you should remember that come

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01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: office time. I'm not saying whoever, the CUK who's running

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01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: against her is so much better, but that doesn't mean

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01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: that not Look, I'm not going to shed it here

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01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: for list Cheney. I do think it's funny also to

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01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: watch her scramble for her re election chances and on

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01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: her way out, Look, she's gonna be fine. She goes

1368
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: to get some board seat or whatever, Lackey, Mark Aliburton,

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01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: remember those you know, those discussions. She'll be all right.

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01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no one to cheer for in this story.

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01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: I just think it's more interesting as like indicator of

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01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: where the politics are and fun for you. Here Nancy

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: Pelosi responding as only she could to the overturning of

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01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: rovers is waide. Keep in mind, once again I mentioned

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01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: this before, but I'm gonna mention it again. This is

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01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: a woman who just went to the mat to make

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01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: sure an anti choice lawmaker, Henry Croy are won by

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01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: like a couple hundred votes, and now here she is

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01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: rending her garments, clutching her pearls about the overturning of rovers.

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01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: This wade when she is one of the people in

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01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: a position of power to actually do something if she

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01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: cared to Her response was classic. You know, this is

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01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: also the woman who brought out what Lynn Manuel Mirana

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01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: what was that on the occasion of January sixth? Is

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01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: that it that she brought the show tunes in for

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01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: that occasion while in response to the overturning of Rote,

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01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: she had this poem to read. I am personally overwhelmed

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Speaker 1: by this decision. From time to time I quote this

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01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: poem by ahudmannor he's an Israeli poet. I met his

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01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: wife when I've been in Israel. He says, I have

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01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: no other country, even though my land is burning. Only

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01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: a word in Hebrew penetrates my veins, my soul, with

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01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: an aching body and with a hungry heart, here is

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01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 1: my home. I will not be silent, for my country

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: has changed her face. The country has changed her face.

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01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: I shall not give up on her. I shall remind

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Speaker 1: her and sing into her ears until she opens her eyes. Clearly,

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01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: we hope that the Supreme Court would open its eyes. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I really don't care how you feel, Nancy Pelosi, whether

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01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: you're personally overwhelmed, what poem it makes you think of.

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: I want to know what you're going to do. I

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01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: want to know what the plan is, So unless you're

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01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: talking about that, I really don't want to hear it.

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01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: And of course we know what the plan ultimately is

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: because in concert with the poem, she also sent out

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01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: a fundraising pitch. Can go ahead and put this up

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01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: on the screen. Our friends are the Gravel Institute. Nancy

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01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: Pelosi just sent on her first email fundraising off the

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01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: decision over Terry Rovers's wait, and this puppy went out

1410
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: fast too. They had it queued up, ready to go.

1411
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: I need your immediate attention. We can rise up meet

1412
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: this once in a generation moment. Can you chip in

1413
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars so we can win these midterms and finally

1414
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: caughtify reproductive rights into law. I'm sorry, but you already

1415
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: have majorities like you. It makes no sense. I think

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01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: back to Obama. I mean, he said in two thousand

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01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 1: and eight that he would codify roversus weight. He probably

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01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: had the best chance of everybody. Ye, he had a

1419
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: super majority in the Senate and the House of Representatives

1420
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: easily actually could have done it if they wanted to,

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01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: or at the very least, you know whoever the pro

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01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: life Democrat. I'm trying to think of who they were

1423
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: at the time, maybe like Mary Landrew and Ben Nelson.

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01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: I think that was anyway it would have been a

1425
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: fight at the time, but they didn't even try. Yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: I think that immediately just issuing like the poem, and

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Speaker 1: then it's like the grief. I just don't understand who

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01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 1: this is landing with, you know, I see nobody sharing

1429
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: that quote from the Descent. They're like, on behalf of

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01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: the millions of women, like we dissent as if that's

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01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: a piece of action, Like I don't understand who this

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01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: is directed towards. I was. It just brings me back

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01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: to what we talked about previously. I see all of

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01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: these groups all over DC fundraising so millions of dollars off.

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01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: It's like, what do you guys do? Yeah, what is

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01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 1: your plan? What's the what are you trying to do here?

1437
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it really is just a perfect encapsulation

1438
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:35,480
Speaker 1: of the politics of like personal narcissism and virtue signaling

1439
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,879
Speaker 1: and like that that's an end in and of itself.

1440
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: When yeah, this happened because of fifty years of conservative

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01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: organizing and determination and they, you know, to get to

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01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: this result. So what's your equivalent of that? And not

1443
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: just on this but on any number of issues. What

1444
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: is actually the plan. I don't care about your plan, poem,

1445
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: I care about your plan. That's a lot one. I

1446
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: think it is going to be tough for her and

1447
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: for Democratic leadership come next time when they're in, if

1448
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 1: they're in the minority, if by some crazy chance they

1449
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: do get into the majority, because they clearly have a

1450
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: very difficult time playing the coalitional game and even having

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01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: a plan kind of whatsoever. I mean, if you look

1452
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: at Biden, there is nothing being proposed. So even if

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01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: there is energy to that extent, to what end is

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01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: it going to be applied to me? Republican voters knew

1455
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: what they were voting. The only thing that can bail

1456
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: them out is like, again, they'll go to the well

1457
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: of but the Republicans are worse, So like, you have

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01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: to keep us here, even though we're not going to

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01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: do shit. At least we're not going to pass the

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01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: national abortion ban, right, I mean not really yeah, yeah yet,

1461
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: but it is there are a lot of signs that

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01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: this is increasingly falling flat. It's especially falls flat with

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01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: younger Americans. I mean, Biden's aproval rating is at like

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01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: twenty five percent with the youngest cohort, and this is

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01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: the group that supported him the most in terms of

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01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: the presidential election. At the beginning of his presidency, had

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01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: very high approval ratings with that group, and they just

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01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: see through all of this and see how hollow it

1469
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: ultimately is. So I don't think I don't think you're

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01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: getting that back. I don't think they're going to be

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01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: satisfied with just the Republicans are worse. Now, does that

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01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: mean they're going to Probably what it means is they're

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01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 1: either going to put their energies into, you know, candidates

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01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: that they feel are going to be a challenge to

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01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: that system, into the grossroots labor movement, or some of

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01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: them will just say this isn't for me. I'm checking out. Yeah,

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: that is very sad. That is very It could be

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01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: a big checkout. I see that, all right, Sorry, what

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01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: are you looking at? Well, if you were to ask

1480
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: me what I care about most when it comes to politics,

1481
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: it's arranging the economic conditions of people's lives so they

1482
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: can do whatever they want leave their kids better off

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01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: than they were. That's mostly it followed closely by hoping

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01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: that woke ideology gets destroyed wherever it is, because I

1485
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: believe that woke ism and its capture of elite institutions,

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01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: is the chief opponent of well ordered and desirable economic

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Speaker 1: and social arrangements in favor of race or identity based ones. Abortion,

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01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: to be honest, has never really figured that highly in it.

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Speaker 1: As I famously said, much to this sh chagrin of

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01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: our more liberal audience, I would rather gouge my eyes

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01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: out than talk about abortion. But I work in the

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01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 1: news business, so fine, Let's discuss it in the framework,

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01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: in the context that I've advanced on the show that's

1494
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:14,480
Speaker 1: in serious trouble these days? Or is it barstool conservatism?

1495
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: A first laid it out really at a mass level

1496
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: in the Joe Rogan experience more than a year ago.

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01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: It's a political theory that the culture wars of the

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01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties have mostly passed in favor of a war

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01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: over political correctness, language manipulation, gender ideology, and other battles

1500
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: over the woke framework instead of gay marriage, etc. The

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01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: fights of old. You get the idea that type of

1502
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: political orientation was best exemplified by a barstool founder, Dave Portnoy.

1503
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,879
Speaker 1: He celebrated Donald Trump in twenty fifteen for one reason alone,

1504
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,679
Speaker 1: pissed people off. Dave's pro choice. He doesn't care about

1505
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: any of the other past social issues. Yet he was

1506
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: pro Trump, he was anti lockdown. By his own admission,

1507
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,799
Speaker 1: he was going to vote Republican. So how does that happen?

1508
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: Why does it matter? Because Portnoy actually represents a new

1509
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: and a very powerful political constituency, one not of evangelical

1510
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: Christians and suburbans, but non woke bros. For lack of

1511
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: a better term, people better described as socially libertarian, as

1512
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: in do what you want, but leave me alone, rather

1513
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: than socially conservative who want to regulate the behavior of others.

1514
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: That's an important framework. That framework is how you explain

1515
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: how the pro choice Elon Musk, for example, said he's

1516
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: going to vote Republican. How Joe Rogan somehow became identified

1517
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: with the right by the media, how Bill Maher many

1518
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 1: other old school lefties find themselves really adrift in modern politics.

1519
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 1: They represent millions of people, mostly men, but women too,

1520
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: who across racial lines, have drifted to the right for

1521
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,839
Speaker 1: various reasons that vary from woke politics to anti lockdown

1522
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: to general hatred of elites who are overwhelmingly capital l liberals.

1523
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: The key to that story, though, is that most of

1524
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: those people are secular, or if they're religious, they're not

1525
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: Catholic or evangelical religious, they're mostly pro choice or they

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01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: don't care about abortion. All of that political analysis about

1527
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: how the right could find political success if it moves

1528
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: on from those culture wars of the nineties, of course,

1529
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: is predicated on actually move moving on from the culture

1530
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: wars of the nineties, and now, with the repeal of

1531
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: Roe versus Wade for good or for ill, that is

1532
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: obviously not going to happen. Look no further of a

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01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: sign of how this might affect the Barstool conservative outcome

1534
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: than the founder of Barstool himself, Dave Portnoy. Here's what

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01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: he had to say in reaction to roversus Wade. I

1536
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: feel like I have to speak on this issue. I

1537
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: already talked to that a little bit. To me, this

1538
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: is just pure insanity, pure insanity. We are going backwards

1539
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: in time. We are literally going backwards in time. It

1540
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 1: makes no sense how anybody thinks it's their right to

1541
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: tell a woman what to do with her body. I

1542
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: just don't get it. To take away the ability to

1543
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 1: make informed decisions on how they want to live their

1544
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: lives is bananas keeps going, but you get the idea.

1545
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: Dave followed it up with political analysis of his own,

1546
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: saying quote, I honestly think Republicans were going to win

1547
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 1: the White House in a landslide because of how pathetic

1548
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: the Biden administration is. But I do think this will

1549
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: bail the Dems out. It sucks for everybody. Interesting. Indeed,

1550
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: from my thesis right now, I actually think Davi is

1551
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: correct with this caveat. The politics of Roe versus Way

1552
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: and the folly out fallout are very likely to be

1553
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: more long term than short term. In the short you

1554
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: cannot rely on Roe versus Way to save you when

1555
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: gas is five dollars a gallon, inflation is out of control,

1556
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: and the President can barely speak a cogent sentence. Some

1557
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: things are simply insurmountable. But in the long term, the

1558
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: return of Row and the battles among them means Republicans

1559
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: find themselves on the backside of public opinion in a

1560
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 1: big way. Here's the truth. Much to the chagrin of

1561
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: my religious friends, we live in a much more secular

1562
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: country than we have at any time in our history.

1563
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: Most people think abortion is icky, but are okay with it.

1564
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: They don't want it celebrated like the Leana Dunams of

1565
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 1: the world. They're adamantly opposed after the first trimester, but

1566
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: the status quo was pretty solidly in line with majoritarian opinion.

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01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: The bad news for Republicans is not only are they

1568
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: now on the side of maybe one third of the

1569
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: public at best, the people who really care about this,

1570
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: the religious right, are way way past that and more

1571
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: energized than they've ever been before. Most people focus on

1572
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas's dissent, I focus on Mike Pence calling to

1573
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: ban abortion in every single state in the country. Now

1574
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 1: it was denounced not by a single Republican. And guess

1575
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: what Support for a ban on abortion in all cases

1576
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: stands at thirteen percent of the American public, a literal

1577
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: all time low. Banning abortion nationwide is about as well

1578
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: regarded as defund the police. And yet you have not

1579
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: just some screeching activists pushing it, but the former Vice

1580
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: president of the United States. Just like with defund even

1581
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: if you don't support it, you're going to get tagged

1582
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: with the fallout from it, regardless of what you actually think.

1583
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 1: Right now, Texas legislators discussing legislation to allow das to

1584
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 1: prosecute people involved in abortions in neighboring counties or criminally

1585
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: punished people who want to help a woman get an

1586
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: abortion another state. Just like the GOP focus for a

1587
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 1: year on stupid liberal cities cutting their police budgets while

1588
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: crime exploded, you will be seeing these types of stories

1589
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,719
Speaker 1: day after day after day for years to come. Now,

1590
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: and just like the defund police movement, every GOP politician

1591
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: is now going to get asked what do you think

1592
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: about that? They're in a tough spot. The religious right

1593
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: will crucify you if you dissent, and so will the

1594
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: biggest figures at GOP media, who are overwhelmingly much more

1595
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: religious than their actual voters. The feedback loop that existed

1596
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: for the left during BLM is frankly even more entrenched

1597
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: for the right. The right, at a time when it

1598
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: finally found itself in a majoritarian orientation for the first

1599
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: time since nineteen eighty, has dealt itself a potentially fatal

1600
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: blow in the long run. If you don't want to

1601
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: believe me, believe Trump. Trump, to his credit, has been

1602
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: a much more savvy politician than anyone else in the GOP.

1603
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 1: He's the only one of them that actually could win,

1604
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: after all, And per a recent reporting, he has been

1605
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: telling anyone who will listen around him, Roe versus Wade

1606
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 1: ruling will be quote bad for Republicans. When he was

1607
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: asked a few weeks ago if he would take credit

1608
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: for the decision, he said, quote, I never like to

1609
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: take credit for anything, considering how insane that that is

1610
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: from the guy, as I said before, who took credit

1611
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:03,560
Speaker 1: for fewer airline crashes while pressing Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis.

1612
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: Anyone in twenty twenty four is going to be asked

1613
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: explicitly about the Clarence Thomas descent and about Mike Pence's

1614
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: comments about that proposal, All sorts of legislative ideas which

1615
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 1: will repel the new GOP constituency that were on the

1616
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 1: table before Row. No serious person can say that will

1617
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 1: not have major consequences for the GOP. For me personally,

1618
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: it's actually funny to find myself in this position. I

1619
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: got into politics being opposed to the Iraq War and

1620
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: opposing the suffocating evangelicals that I grew up around in Texas.

1621
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 1: It is somewhat comforting to return to my roots and

1622
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: how it will be very interesting to see how this

1623
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: all plays out, both for me and for the barstool

1624
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: conservative idea. So that's really where I wanted to leave

1625
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: at Gristle. Which is that? And if you want to

1626
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,520
Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber

1627
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 1: today at breakingpoints dot com. Christal, what are you taking

1628
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: a look at? Well, guys, it is officially done. After

1629
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: fifty years of focused activism, as we've been discussing from

1630
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: committed writ wing radicals and their well healed at Roe

1631
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: has been overturn allowing states to ban abortion completely. Over

1632
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: half of all states are certain or likely to take

1633
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do exactly that. The response from both

1634
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 1: partisan sides has been entirely predictable. Republicans have responded with

1635
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: further extremism and Democrats with total impotence and excuse making.

1636
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: In fact, democratic response is actually so sad and their

1637
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 1: failure so undeniable. I actually wonder if this moment might

1638
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 1: shift the mindset of more than a few liberals, opening

1639
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: them up to a critique of the party that they

1640
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: just had not been ready to hear until now. More

1641
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: on that a minute. Let's start with the GOP side.

1642
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 1: So not satisfied with leaving abortion policy after the States

1643
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: form and Vice President Mike Pence, you know, the guy

1644
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: is supposedly the reasonable and honorable alternative to Trump, he

1645
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: chimed in immediately to push for an absolute nationwide ban

1646
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: on abortion. He wrote, quote, having been given this second

1647
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: chance for life, we must not rest and must not

1648
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: relent until the sanctity of life is restored to the

1649
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,759
Speaker 1: center of American law in every state in the land.

1650
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: Listen is hardly alone. House and Senate Republicans have already

1651
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: introduced legislation to ban abortion nationwide. House version as one

1652
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four sponsors, the Senate has nineteen. Every

1653
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: Republican will now be under pressure from these same organized

1654
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 1: forces that just secured the overturning of Row to codify

1655
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: this result nationwide, forcing Mississippi laws on everybody across the country,

1656
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: up to and including Californians. At the same level, Republicans

1657
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 1: are also leaping At the state level, Republicans are also

1658
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: leaping into action. Florida Governor Rod DeSantis recently signed into

1659
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: law a fifteen week abortion ban. A lot Republicans in

1660
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 1: his state. They're not satisfied with that. They're already pressuring

1661
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,719
Speaker 1: him to call a special session into order to enact

1662
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 1: a six week abortion ban when a lot of women

1663
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,799
Speaker 1: don't even know they're pregnant yet. Meanwhile, Texas and Missouri

1664
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: lawmakers having already banned abortion in their states, they're planning

1665
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: new ways to criminalize those who help women to cross

1666
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: state lines to obtain an abortion. And Asaga also said,

1667
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 1: if you all thought defund the police was unpopular, that

1668
01:24:56,439 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 1: is nothing compared to this crazy shit. Other activists are

1669
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 1: a lotting ways to criminalize abortion pills and block companies

1670
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: from providing employees with transportation to states where abortion is

1671
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: legal as a benefit of employment. Notably missing from all

1672
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: this Republican energy supposedly about protecting precious babies is any

1673
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: effort to make sure those babies have access to I

1674
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 1: don't know, quality education, childcare, and don't grow up in poverty.

1675
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 1: But I digress. How if the Democrats responded to this

1676
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 1: assault on something they claim to care dearly about, here

1677
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: is a small sampling of their responses. Courtesy of Shoe

1678
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi sent out a fundraising email and read a

1679
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:33,799
Speaker 1: poem house Democrats saying God bless Americ outside the Supreme

1680
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 1: Court and that dude on the right. Democratic congressmhen Andy

1681
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 1: Levin took a moment to publicize his self care posting

1682
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: pictures of him doing yoga in his congressional office. I

1683
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: am not kidding. Biden sent out one of his typical

1684
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: tweets in the vibe of geez, I wish someone with

1685
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: some power would do something about this. This is terrible.

1686
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: But really capturing the ethos was Vice President Kamala Harris,

1687
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: who literally sent on a picture of herself watching protesters

1688
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: on TV from Air Force two, along with some hollowed

1689
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: tripe about how we're all in this fight together. Nothing

1690
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: says I'm there for you like a powerful politician watching

1691
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: cable news from a private plane with a feigned look

1692
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 1: of concern and no intention to do a single thing

1693
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: more than that. Pique narcissism, virtue signaling fake impotence on

1694
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: the face of victory. Republican leaders they organize, they meet,

1695
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: and they plot. Democratic leaders they clutch their pearls, They fundraise,

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Speaker 1: and they develop their list of excuses for their many

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01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: many failures, they are telling everyone they must vote them

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Speaker 1: in the fall. Per Pelosi's fundraising email quote, can you

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Speaker 1: chip in fifteen dollars so we can win these midterms

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01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: and finally codify with reproductive rights into law. Unmentioned in

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01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 1: that email is why they don't do this right now

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01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: while they have a trifecta in the House, Senate and

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Speaker 1: White House, or why they didn't do this during the

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01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: periods when they not only had a trifecto but a

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Speaker 1: supermajority in the Senate. It's not like the right kept

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01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 1: their goals here a secret. And at the very same

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01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: time DEM leaders are saying you've got to donate and

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01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: keep Dems in power, they are also literally telling you

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01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 1: they will not do what it takes to codify abortion rights.

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01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: Biden has already ruled out expanding the court or nixing

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01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: the filibuster. So even if by some miracle, Dems keep

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01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 1: control of the House and the Senate, not a single

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01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 1: thing is going to be different from the fake helplessness

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01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 1: and in action that is the hallmark of their reign.

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01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 1: Right now, enraged young people are calling their bluff. Listen

1716
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: to what protesters in Texas had to chant. They were

1717
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: chanting this at Beto O'Rourke. Democrats, we call your bluff.

1718
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: Voting blue is not enough. Or take a listen to

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01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 1: what this young woman has to say about how much

1720
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: it pissed her off that Dems were immediately fund raising

1721
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: off the decision. So I received a text message from

1722
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's campaign yesterday saying that the Supreme Court had

1723
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: overtured r versus Way and that is my responsibility to

1724
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: the rush fifteen dollars the Democratic National Party, and I

1725
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 1: thought that was absolutely outrageous because my rights should not

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01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: be a fundraising point for them or a campaign point.

1727
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: They have had multiple opportunities to codify row into law

1728
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: over the past twenty thirty, forty fifty years and they

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01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 1: have n't done it. And if they're going to keep

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01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 1: campaigning on this point, they should actually do something about it.

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01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: A men, And you know, I got a real sense

1732
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 1: that something is kind of broken loose than the Democratic coalition. Sure,

1733
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: the base sucked it up and voted for Joe in

1734
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 1: the Democratic primary, but the deal they accepted was that

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01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: Biden would stand as a bulwark against the right, and

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01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 1: crucially that he was the only candidate who could be

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01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 1: sure to beat Donald Trump. Now it's clear that this

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01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: deal was built on a pack of lies. Under Biden's

1739
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:39,520
Speaker 1: fecklessness and failure to deliver, the right has grown stronger

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01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 1: than ever. Under Biden's political malpractice, Republicans are set to

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01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: sweep into power in the midterms, and under Biden's thorough

1742
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:49,520
Speaker 1: inability to keep any of his promises and secure stability

1743
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: and fight for material well being, he has paved the

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01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: road right back to Trump. In twenty twenty four, the

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01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: latest polling has Biden losing to Trump by five in

1746
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 1: a rematch, better though than Kamala who would lose by eight.

1747
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: Biden promised nothing when fundamentally change, and you know what,

1748
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: ultimately that too was a lie, because in chaotic times

1749
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:11,759
Speaker 1: like these, fundamental change that's a near guarantee. The question

1750
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: is only what that change is going to look like.

1751
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: So if one side fights to stay in one place

1752
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 1: and the other side fights to pull the country hard right,

1753
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 1: guess which direction things are ultimately going to go. The

1754
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 1: abortion fight is not particularly the center of my politics,

1755
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: as you guys know, but it has been the center

1756
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 1: of Democrats and their liberal base. The failures from Dems

1757
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 1: here are so obvious, the hypocrisy so glaring that they

1758
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: just can't be denied. That's why AOC has been hailed

1759
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 1: as a truth teller by plenty of liberals for calling

1760
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 1: dem hypocrisy out directly and demanding more than just fundraising

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01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 1: emails and exhortations to vote blue. I saw a lot

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01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,839
Speaker 1: of people with some Ukraine flags and blue wave emojis

1763
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 1: in the bio enthusiastically retweeting her comments. And I saw

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01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 1: a lot of liberals who were appalled by the lack

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01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: of urgency from either the president or the vice president. Well,

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01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: what's more, the disaffection of the college as liberal. It's

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01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: likely only beginning. Keep in mind, a college degree doesn't

1768
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: guarantee you shit these days, not a middle class job,

1769
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 1: not a decent retirement, not a home, not healthcare, nothing,

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01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, as we head into a recession, that is

1771
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: only going to become more true for more people. There

1772
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 1: are going to be a lot of people who thought

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01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: they were okay and then have to watch their home

1774
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: values collapse, their four oh one case disappear, and their

1775
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: kids graduate college to go to work as a barista.

1776
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 1: Nothing will radicalize you faster than learning that the stability

1777
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: you thought you had was a lie dem failures in

1778
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: response to Row, it could be a gateway drug to

1779
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: seeing clearly how much the party has failed you and

1780
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: failed your families. What do they do with that energy? Well,

1781
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: it's a good question. It could go to the endless

1782
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,799
Speaker 1: hamster wheel of rage watching cable news and rage posting

1783
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: on Facebook could lead to dropping out of politics altogether,

1784
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: joining the already massive ranks of the non voters. Could

1785
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,600
Speaker 1: be janneled into the sort of liberal street protests that

1786
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 1: frankly ultimately have also gone nowhere, the air of unresponsive government.

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01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 1: You see how much good the Women's March did right,

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01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: Or it could be channeled into something real, could be

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01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 1: channeled into an electoral challenge the Democratic establishment embrace of

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01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: the Grosster's labor movement that continues to be the most

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01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: hopeful thing that is happening in America right now. The

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01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: labor movement, ultimately, it's crucial because it has power to

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01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 1: mess with capitalism. It is an impotent Then the politicians

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01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: will set up and take note. The current Democratic Party

1795
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: elite have proven themselves thoroughly and completely unequal to the moment, unable,

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01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,680
Speaker 1: unwilling to match the needs of the time with the

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01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: action that is necessary. Who could possibly look at that

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01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: photo of Kamala with her fake look of shock watching

1799
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: other people protest and feel any different. Reality is coming

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01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 1: home hard and fast. This is the question mark for me,

1801
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: how the Democratic base responds and if you want to

1802
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber

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01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 1: today at breakingpoints dot com. Johnny is now the aforementioned

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01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,839
Speaker 1: Derek Thompson. He is a staff writer for the Atlantic

1805
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 1: and also host of Plane English podcast to see Derek Good,

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01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 1: See you man, greatn see you guys too. Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: So we've been tracking a little bit of what is

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01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: going on with the airlines, huge amount of canceled flights.

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01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: You had Pete Boutagig, who, of course the Secretary of Transportation,

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01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: had some meeting with airline executives and was like, you guys,

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01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: better do better, but didn't seem to really actually do

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01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 1: anything about the problem. Can you just talk to us

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01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 1: about what is going on, why there are so many

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Speaker 1: canceled flights and what the government could potentially do about it? Sure? Great, Yeah,

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01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 1: do a quick thesis statement and then we can get

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Speaker 1: into the details. Basically, flying is really messed up right now.

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Speaker 1: It's messed up because there are cascading cancelations. It's messed

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01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 1: up because there are more delays. It's messed up because

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01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: security lines are out of control. I mean there are

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01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: airports now where security lines are stretching into one, two,

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Speaker 1: three hours. I mean, good luck making your flight if

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01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 1: the security line is two or three hours. So why

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01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 1: is this happening. It's happening, honestly, for the same reason

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01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: that so many other things in this economy for the

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01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 1: last year haven't worked. It's the same story over and

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01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 1: over again. You had a demand crash in twenty twenty.

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01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: As a result, a lot of different industries pulled back

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01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 1: through supply. So in the airlines, for example, they decommissioned

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01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 1: a lot of planes, they parked a lot of planes,

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01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 1: they fired, laid off, offered early retirements to a lot

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01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:19,839
Speaker 1: of pilots and grounds crew, and then all of a sudden,

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01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 1: demand surged way faster than they thought it would. They

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01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,719
Speaker 1: thought they might be in a recessionary climate for flying

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01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 1: for like five, six years, ten years. Instead, demand came

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01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 1: surging back within one or two years. As a result,

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01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: they don't have the capacity to meet the level of

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01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: demand that we have. Leisure travel right now is setting

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01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,640
Speaker 1: a record that's like ordinary sort of budget travelers who

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01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 1: aren't sitting in first class and people who aren't you know,

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01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: flying to Paris or Hong Kong or whatever. Domestic leisure

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01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 1: travel is an all time high, and the capacity to

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01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: fulfill it is not very high at all, which means

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01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: when anything happens, when there's a storm, when there's a

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01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 1: cancelation because some people got sick, there aren't reserved pilots

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01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 1: you can call. There aren't real or groundscrew you can call.

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01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,919
Speaker 1: There aren't reserved planes that you can move into JFK

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01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 1: and fly people out to Miami, And as a result,

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01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,759
Speaker 1: cancelations cascade, and you have all the problems you have today.

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Speaker 1: Right And so, Derek, one of the things that we

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Speaker 1: had pointed to in the past is about how airlines

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01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 1: will book flights that they not necessarily have the capacity

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01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 1: in order to fulfill. Are they doing this knowingly? And

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01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: is there any way in order to either get them

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Speaker 1: to stop? Is there a way that we could kind

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01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 1: of fix this problem from what you've identified. Yeah, So

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01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: the complication is multifoil design. Understand it. Number one, A

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01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 1: lot of these schedules are set six months ago, twelve

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Speaker 1: months ago, so it's really really hard to turn that

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01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:44,799
Speaker 1: rudder right. Number two, you know, the airlines are, especially

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Speaker 1: the airlines that have a lot of cancelations right now,

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01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 1: which weirdly enough, by my research, isn't Frontier or Spirit,

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01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,560
Speaker 1: It's Delta and Jet Blue and American. It's lot of

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01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 1: the major carriers. Why are they giving the cancelations Because

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01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 1: they didn't cut back through summer schedules. They were like,

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01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: we're going to try to meet all the demand that

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01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: we possibly can. But as a results, there's no one

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01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: understudying these flights. There's nothing in reserve. If these flights

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Speaker 1: are canceled because they don't have enough pilots or planes

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01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 1: or grounds crew, if some people get sick. So they're

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01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 1: trying to meet demand, they're trying to schedule as many

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01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 1: flights as possible, but whenever anything happens, you have these

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Speaker 1: cancelations that are cascading. That's one problem as I understand it.

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Speaker 1: Another problem I think is, you know, to the extent

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Speaker 1: that we want to be really critical of these airlines.

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01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 1: If you recall in twenty twenty, we gave them a

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Speaker 1: fifty four billion dollar bailout. We were like, here's fifty

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Speaker 1: billion dollars, so that you won't do all of this,

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01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 1: so that you won't fire all of these or offer

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01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 1: early retirements to all of these pilots and grounds crew.

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Speaker 1: But they did pull back. You know, Delta, I believe

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01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,679
Speaker 1: laid off thirty percent of their workforce. I think other

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01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 1: major carriers do the same. And if you lay off

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Speaker 1: thirty percent of your workforce and then you try to

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01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: hire back during a quote unquote great resignation, labor markets

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01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 1: are really tight and quids are really high, you're not

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01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 1: going to be able to do it. So what are

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01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: we seeing right now? We are seeing we're all sort

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Speaker 1: of like living in the bed that the airlines made

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01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: for us, right. Yeah, I saw some numbers too. There's

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Speaker 1: a great American Prospect article breaking this down that actually,

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01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,839
Speaker 1: you know, said there there really isn't a pilot shortage.

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Speaker 1: There's actually a lot of pilots in the marketplace who

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01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:22,719
Speaker 1: are available. But yeah, since you laid off or pushed

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01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 1: down a lot of your workforce, of course it takes

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01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: time to bring people back in. So are they undergoing

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01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 1: concerted efforts to sort of staff up to deal with

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01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: this problem, and you know, are there things that the

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Speaker 1: government can do to basically force them, because I mean,

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01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: it really is fraudulent to push for put forward the

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Speaker 1: schedule to the public consumer that you basically know there's

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01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 1: no chance you're really going to be able to fulfill.

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01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, let me answer the second question

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01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,600
Speaker 1: first and then I'll answer the first question. So you know,

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Speaker 1: when you're traveling, sometimes you'll go to uh, let's say

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and you'll say, Okay, in the morning, we're

1906
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Speaker 1: going to eat at this restaurant in the valley, and

1907
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Speaker 1: then we're gonna meet up with a friend in Venice

1908
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Speaker 1: at eleven am. And then at one we're going to

1909
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Speaker 1: go to the museum, and then at three third are

1910
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Speaker 1: going to do this, and at five o'clock we're gonna

1911
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Speaker 1: do that. And you put together this schedule and you're like,

1912
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Speaker 1: if everything goes right, if everything goes right, we'll be

1913
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Speaker 1: able to do this. But if one thing goes wrong,

1914
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Speaker 1: your day is destroyed. Right. That's what the airlines have done.

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Speaker 1: That's what the Americans and Deltas and Jeff Blues have

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Speaker 1: clearly done. Because we're canceling last weekend they canceled ten

1917
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Speaker 1: percent of their flights on Thursday and Friday. We're canceling.

1918
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Speaker 1: Good luck if you're flying those carriers. So they put

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Speaker 1: together this schedule. It's not necessarily unrealistic. It's not impossible

1920
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Speaker 1: to accomplish this with like, you know, one percent normal

1921
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Speaker 1: cancelation rate. But if there's weather, and hello, it's June,

1922
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be weather. If anything goes wrong, the cancelations cascade.

1923
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Speaker 1: That's a situation that we're in. So I don't know

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Speaker 1: that I would use the word fraudulent, but we're on

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Speaker 1: the same page that they're putting together an unrealistic schedule

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Speaker 1: to meet consumer demands, and as a result, the failures

1927
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Speaker 1: of these companies are being outsourced to us, the flyers,

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Speaker 1: the consumers. On the pilot issue, I really did hear

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Speaker 1: from all the people that I talked to that there

1930
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Speaker 1: is a pilot shortage. And one reason that we know

1931
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Speaker 1: that there's a pilot shortage is that pilots aren't being

1932
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Speaker 1: hired from the labor market pool. A lot of the

1933
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Speaker 1: major carriers are hiring their next marginal pilot from the

1934
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Speaker 1: regional carriers. Right So, now that means the regional carriers

1935
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Speaker 1: don't necessarily have enough pilots, and they're having a lot

1936
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Speaker 1: of cancelation problems as well. So from everything that I've heard,

1937
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Speaker 1: and I might not have the full story here, the

1938
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Speaker 1: pilot shortage is real, and it's caused by the fact

1939
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Speaker 1: that we offered early retirement to a lot of very

1940
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Speaker 1: very accomplished flyers who now at the age of you know,

1941
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Speaker 1: sixty sixty three aren't coming back to the market because

1942
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Speaker 1: they're like, I got early retirement. And it's hard to

1943
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Speaker 1: staff up pilots because there's a fifteen hundred hour regulatory

1944
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Speaker 1: requirement for practicing for for pilot training. That's what we're training,

1945
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Speaker 1: not practicing, and it's really hard to sort of, you know,

1946
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Speaker 1: accelerate fifteen hundred hours. You literally can't fast forward through time.

1947
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Speaker 1: So we are in a bit of a shortage of them.

1948
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Speaker 1: And so if we talk about in the context that

1949
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Speaker 1: what you open with is then nothing works syndrome, I mean,

1950
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Speaker 1: just expand on that a little bit more, which is

1951
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Speaker 1: the effect that all of this has had on our

1952
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Speaker 1: economy and what it reveals about kind of the underlying

1953
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Speaker 1: infrastructure around it and what we need to do. Yeah, well,

1954
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Speaker 1: you know I said that we're in a sort of

1955
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Speaker 1: nothing works syndrome situation with the economy right now, because

1956
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Speaker 1: you look at the oil markets where prices are rising,

1957
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Speaker 1: but oil companies don't want to necessarily drill or explore more.

1958
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Speaker 1: You look at the baby formula shortage, where there's lots

1959
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Speaker 1: of baby formula in Europe, but we have rules that

1960
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Speaker 1: say that we can't necessarily import it, and we have

1961
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Speaker 1: this flying crisis right now. It just does seem like

1962
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Speaker 1: from industry to industry to industry, things aren't working the

1963
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Speaker 1: way they should. They're breaking down. And the reason they're

1964
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Speaker 1: breaking down, I think is really really interesting because if

1965
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Speaker 1: you diagnose it accurately, then you can possibly point to

1966
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Speaker 1: the problems into the solution looking down in almost every

1967
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Speaker 1: respect because demand is outpacing supply. So what we need

1968
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Speaker 1: right now isn't just policies that are on the welfare

1969
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Speaker 1: standpoint redistributing income. Of course we should do that. Of

1970
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Speaker 1: course we should raise the floor of income in this country,

1971
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Speaker 1: and we always should. But what we need right now

1972
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Speaker 1: to solve these acute problems are supply side responses. So

1973
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think through and I have this sort

1974
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Speaker 1: of thesis that I've been working out at the Atlantic

1975
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Speaker 1: called the Abundance Agenda, trying to think through supply side

1976
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Speaker 1: solutions to these acute problems. How do you increase capacity

1977
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Speaker 1: in airlines, how do you increase capacity in baby formula?

1978
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Speaker 1: How do you increase capacity in energy? Because if you

1979
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Speaker 1: can do these, if you can accomplish these things, you

1980
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Speaker 1: can solve some of these problems. That it really does,

1981
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Speaker 1: I think call for us to focus on supply side solutions,

1982
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Speaker 1: not the old fashioned Reaganite supply side conservatism, but something

1983
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Speaker 1: more like a supply side liberalism. Very interesting, and you know,

1984
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Speaker 1: one that is impacting a lot of people as they

1985
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Speaker 1: try for the first time to take their kids or

1986
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Speaker 1: where their family on vacation again and are just being

1987
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Speaker 1: met with absolute nightmares at the airport. So it matters

1988
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Speaker 1: to a lot of people on there. Derek, thank you

1989
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Speaker 1: for breaking it down. Thanks Derek, as always, thank you absolutely,

1990
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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

1991
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Speaker 1: Thanks to all the Premium members who are out there

1992
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Speaker 1: buying tickets, proving to the industry that we can and

1993
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Speaker 1: will sell tickets here at breaking points. That's what it's

1994
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Speaker 1: all about. As a reminder, Premium subscribers only. There's a

1995
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Speaker 1: pre sale going on for the first week. Lots of

1996
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Speaker 1: tickets are selling, so we deeply appreciate it. If you

1997
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Speaker 1: want availability, not only do this pre sale, but all

1998
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Speaker 1: pre sales in the future as we book other venues,

1999
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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber. Today, we hear from our representatives

2000
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Speaker 1: that we're doing quite well. So let's keep blowing it out,

2001
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Speaker 1: keep it going all the water. Let's show Austin and

2002
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Speaker 1: La San Francisco, New York, Chicago, all these other cities

2003
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Speaker 1: all over the country that we can and will do

2004
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Speaker 1: it big here at breaking points. So thank you all

2005
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Speaker 1: so much. It always means the world when you show

2006
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Speaker 1: up for us in such a way. And we're really

2007
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Speaker 1: looking forward to the show, and we're looking forward to

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Speaker 1: another show tomorrow. Love you guys. See y'all back here tomorrow.