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Speaker 1: Hey, fish fans, this is Eli Susman, the founder of

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Speaker 1: Fish on First. You are listening to part of a

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Speaker 1: megapod with Kevin Burrell and Alex Carver going through level

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Speaker 1: by level of the Marlins Farm system. Once they put

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Speaker 3: We have three more to go. We're gonna start with

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Speaker 3: low A Jupiter. This is a level that, although the

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Speaker 3: record doesn't speak for itself, there's some guys here that

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Speaker 3: I want to start with is Guando La Cruz. He

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Speaker 3: that'll just go up as you go as the years

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Speaker 3: go on. But you've heard great reports on him. I've

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Speaker 3: heard great reports on him. This is a guy who

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Speaker 3: the organization really likes. He kind of fits that mold

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Speaker 3: little bit about Hauanda La Cruz Alex.

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Speaker 2: I believe you may have seen him in person before, yeah,

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Speaker 4: In spring training, he was pitching against guys well above

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Speaker 4: his level, which at that time was short season Modege.

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Speaker 4: We just talked about the Marlins challenges guy. This is

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Speaker 4: this is another another guy one a few guys that

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Speaker 4: they've challenged this year. Started out on in the FCL

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Speaker 4: straight up to Jupiter. So this guy's also being challenged.

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Speaker 4: I think he's being challenged for a good reason. Three

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Speaker 4: pitch guy Villo is I think right now just okay,

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Speaker 4: I think he SAIDs like from what I've seen and heard,

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Speaker 4: With fastball, can go a little bit higher, but I

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Speaker 4: Also has really good slider and building up a change up,

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Speaker 4: so that's the stuff for this guy. Still eighteen years old,

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Speaker 4: So yeah, pretty smooth delivery from what I've seen from him.

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Speaker 4: Things that you want to see from this player a

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Speaker 4: not that you have to, because he doesn't really walk

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Speaker 4: Lives inside the zone, challenges inside the zone, not afraid

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Speaker 4: He's allowing a two eighty six batting average, so he

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Speaker 4: lot of good signs from this pitcher, pretty advanced for

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Speaker 4: So I want to see from Dayla Cruz as he goes.

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Speaker 4: But eighteen years old and got the challenge, and I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's nice to see that this organization still

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Speaker 3: We don't know really about the the Juando La Cruz,

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Speaker 3: But he's had his highs and his lows. Obviously, another

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Speaker 3: He's been good for the most part. He's had you know,

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Speaker 3: Haven't been able to see him in person a couple

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sex that he was he was injured. It

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Speaker 4: So yeah, a little bit more command and control, consistency,

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Speaker 2: I think this guy's going to be pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit about his last start, obviously,

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Speaker 3: kind of coming back one four and one third, five hits,

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Speaker 3: Let's touch a little bit up on the draft picks.

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Speaker 3: Obviously we spoke about Noble Meyer, but I think right now,

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Speaker 3: but the best position player thus far in this draft

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Speaker 3: has been Jake de Leo been playing a lot of

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Speaker 3: hitting two seventy four, three sixty one, four fifty two

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Speaker 3: center field, which is huge. Finally bringing I think natural

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Speaker 2: Guy that DJ is very high on bringing on.

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Speaker 3: And then we'll talk to about camp Alderman and Brock

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Speaker 3: Vredenberg who are also at that line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure.

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Speaker 4: So for de Leo, I mean before we were talking

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Speaker 2: I think they should be playing on the same team.

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Speaker 2: We said that before, but we'll see what happens here.

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Speaker 4: Is the season and FCL season completes, maybe they'll be

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Speaker 4: back on the same team together. They'll be cool to see, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, Leo has been really good man. Six round pick,

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Speaker 4: definitely earning that title of a six round pick. Maybe

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Speaker 4: think he was picked definitely somewhere where he definitely belongs.

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Speaker 4: From what he's showing so far. What do you want

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Speaker 4: quite a bit so far. Like you said, two seventy four,

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Speaker 4: home runs. As we said before, not very easy to

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Speaker 4: hit home runs in Jupiter, either on these fields.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh it's West Palm now, but still any slfield

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Speaker 4: Jupiter or West Palm whatever. So yeah, that's what I

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Speaker 4: would say for this player. Yeah, definitely have seen a

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Speaker 4: lot of stuff from this guy. Things that you want

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Speaker 4: The arm I think is just probably average as of

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Speaker 2: So that's why they think he's ready for the challenge

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Speaker 3: So I'm sorry, I'm just not too concerned that of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this player is interesting. Started out, I mean

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Speaker 4: Now, Okay, the league seeing you a little bit, there's

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Speaker 4: I think at at single lean, there's no reason to

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Speaker 4: seven to fifteen oh ps. Last year, they didn't call

436
00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,000
Speaker 4: him up to single advance. Okay, why did they not

437
00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,040
Speaker 4: call him up to single advance? You see why? Because

438
00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,200
Speaker 4: he's repeating the level now and this is what he's doing.

439
00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,679
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think at times this player definitely looks

440
00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,960
Speaker 4: for this player to succeed, like I said, with no power,

441
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,520
Speaker 4: you need to show what you just said, Kevin, the

442
00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,320
Speaker 4: ability to put the bat on the ball and make

443
00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,479
Speaker 4: your speed go to work for you. He's very fast,

444
00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,560
Speaker 4: he has sixty great speed, very very good speed. But man,

445
00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:20,920
Speaker 4: when this guy puts the bat on the ball, it's

446
00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,400
Speaker 4: just either swings and misses or easy outs, and that

447
00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,119
Speaker 4: can't happen for a player that needs to hit for

448
00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,160
Speaker 4: a good average. For this player to succeed, he needs

449
00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:29,439
Speaker 4: to hit for average and he needs to get on

450
00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,720
Speaker 4: base at an above average rate, and he's done neither

451
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,600
Speaker 4: one of those this year. So it's been very tough

452
00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,159
Speaker 4: to see. I do like this player. He does have

453
00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,560
Speaker 4: great athleticism and great speed, very good as a second basement.

454
00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,280
Speaker 4: I think he definitely would be a long term second

455
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,000
Speaker 4: basement if he could make the offense.

456
00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,320
Speaker 2: Come about a little bit more. It just hasn't happened. Man.

457
00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,000
Speaker 4: You can use the excuse of parks that are hard

458
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,280
Speaker 4: to hit in, but when you're repeating a level, it's

459
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,160
Speaker 4: not really an excuse. So yeah, it's tough to see.

460
00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,359
Speaker 4: He's gone down a lot in my prospect rankings as well.

461
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,800
Speaker 2: keV. I'm not fully out on him yet because he

462
00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,000
Speaker 2: does still show a ton of athleticism in that great,

463
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:00,560
Speaker 2: great speed.

464
00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,160
Speaker 4: You just want to see a lot more batstball. That's

465
00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,160
Speaker 4: really what needs to happen for this player, and there's

466
00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,720
Speaker 4: going to come a time where the Marlins are going

467
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,879
Speaker 4: to have to challenge him to a new level, and

468
00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,679
Speaker 4: that's probably going to be next year with what they

469
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:11,239
Speaker 4: have coming up.

470
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,919
Speaker 2: So you know, he's behind schedule. He's repeating a level.

471
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 4: Where do we see that transition happen from the low

472
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 4: average player below average batstball to above average batstball.

473
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:24,640
Speaker 2: That's a long way to go.

474
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 4: In a short amount of time, especially as you continue

475
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,320
Speaker 4: to have to get challenged to new levels. So I'm

476
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,199
Speaker 4: a little bit worried about his overall development and how

477
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,240
Speaker 4: he's going to live up to making the most of

478
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:34,880
Speaker 4: his potential.

479
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 2: Not impossible, but it's going to take a lot.

480
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,439
Speaker 3: The crazy thing is that we'll probably see him at

481
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,679
Speaker 3: high end next year just due to the need of

482
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,680
Speaker 3: a player in that level. Yeah, so you know it's

483
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 3: obviously maybe maybe going to a new level allows him

484
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 3: to get better. Obviously we saw that with Jacob Barry.

485
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, he goes from hya to double

486
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 3: and he's all of a sudden a lot better. But

487
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,160
Speaker 3: we'll get into that in a little bit. The last

488
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 3: player I do want to mention he is Jordan McCants,

489
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 3: another guy who I he's such a good guy because

490
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 3: we've spoken.

491
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 2: At many times.

492
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 3: He's a great dude. He's a good friend of the

493
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,399
Speaker 3: Pot as well. It loves what we do here. But

494
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 3: just he's been struggling. Then this is his first year

495
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 3: at low A striking out at extremely high rates to

496
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,920
Speaker 3: twenty seven, batting average one hundred, you know, WRC plus

497
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 3: under one hundred.

498
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 2: You know.

499
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 3: A big thing is he has thirty stolen bases twenty nine.

500
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 2: But that's nice to see.

501
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 3: But aside from that, just not much power he is.

502
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 3: He's driven in a couple of guys in here and there,

503
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 3: but you kind of would assume he repeats the level

504
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 3: once again at he's going to be a second basement

505
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 3: for sure. I believe they're still playing him at shortstop

506
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 3: in Jupiter and they're putting Ian Lewis at second. But

507
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 3: what have you seen with McCants. Obviously, this is a

508
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 3: guy we've been able to get a good look at

509
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 3: for a while and now we saw him in spring training,

510
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,160
Speaker 3: we saw him, you know, a couple of Jupiter games

511
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 3: we've been at this year.

512
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's just tough to see again it's

513
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 4: it's another guy that's very similar to Lewis. Yeah, and

514
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 4: very speedy, needs to hit for average, needs to get

515
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 4: the bat on the ball, and needs to ship all

516
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 4: contact means to show the ability to get the out

517
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 4: on the ball a lot better. Uh So, very very

518
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 4: similar in terms of where they're at with their overall projection.

519
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 4: And man, it sucks to talk, like to talk with

520
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 4: these guys like this overall, because man, look at look

521
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 4: at the speed for these players.

522
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 2: Wasn't Ian Lewis, right, didn't?

523
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 4: He tested like five bases the other day, right, like crazy,

524
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 4: like five stolen bases. And but the thing is about

525
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 4: that is he didn't even get a hit, so he

526
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 4: stills five bases because he was on via errors and walks.

527
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 2: That's why it's.

528
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 3: It's like the accomplishment you could think of.

529
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 4: Right right, Well, I mean it's a great accomplishment because

530
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 4: only because you know, yeah, you're doing it.

531
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 2: You're doing it at low A.

532
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 4: But the only major leaguer to ever do that was

533
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,959
Speaker 4: Ricky Henderson, So you know, if you can live up

534
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 4: to that potential, that's the potential that he could have

535
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 4: maybe at the major league level. But when you're not

536
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 4: getting the bout on the ball, it ain't gonna happen.

537
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 4: So especially when you're repeating a level, like you said,

538
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 4: for mccamps, he's just now at this level. But he

539
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 4: did repeat the FCL, he got drafted, he played a

540
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,479
Speaker 4: couple of games, they put him back in the FCL,

541
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 4: and it's been similar numbers basically a lot of the

542
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 4: time through his career, especially with average back to the

543
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 4: ball and on base numbers. So it sucks, It really

544
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 4: sucks to see this, that that Jordan mccant's high school

545
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 4: draft pick, all the potential in the world, still a

546
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 4: lot of time, is what I would say.

547
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: So I'm not out on mccant's, but what I would

548
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: say is it's.

549
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 4: Tough to see him swing the bat sometimes, is to

550
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 4: put it nicely, like watching him swing the bat, it's

551
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 4: a loopy swing.

552
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: The bat speed is just not really there.

553
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 4: You know, it's a straight through kind of line drive

554
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 4: cut that can get loopy, like I said, and you

555
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 4: know he's behind a lot.

556
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: It's just the overall approach for.

557
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 4: Him is just not where it needs to be, even

558
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 4: though he's still very young and still has time, but

559
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 4: needs to show a lot of improvement.

560
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 2: So I put him and Lewis in the same bucket.

561
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 4: Man, They're they're very very similar players at this play

562
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 4: that's part in their career.

563
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 2: Just need to get the bat on the ball. Just

564
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: do it. Just get the bat on the ball. They

565
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: walk enough.

566
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 4: I think they could used to walk a little bit more,

567
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 4: but I think they walk enough to get by with it.

568
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 4: But the difference between them is that, like you said,

569
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 4: mister McCants strikes out a hell of a lot more

570
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 4: than Ian Lewis. So it's over one hundred strikeouts for

571
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 4: for for mister McCants so needs more walks, less strikeouts,

572
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: and an overall better approach and better swing his swing.

573
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's just difficult to watch. So yeah, very even

574
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 4: though he's still very young. Like I said, as the

575
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 4: high schcoler, you want to see quite a bit more

576
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 4: pretty quickly from that player as well.

577
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 3: You could you could also make the case that they

578
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 3: aren't really the same bucket. Lewis is repeating the level.

579
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 3: True chance isn't at all. This is his first year

580
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: in HIA. You know, you could all obviously expect some

581
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 3: type of not the best numbers from someone like mccantson

582
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: his first year. I think he's gonna repeat the level.

583
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 3: And now that's when you start to kind of say,

584
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 3: all right, we need to put this guy in the

585
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,479
Speaker 3: same bucket as Ian Lewis if he struggles next season.

586
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: I think, obviously with adjustments throughout the offseason. He's someone

587
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 3: who makes a lot of adjustments. He comes from, you know,

588
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 3: a great baseball family. You could say his brother also

589
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 3: is I believe in college baseball an undrafted free undrafted

590
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: guy right now. But you know he has time to

591
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: kind of make the adjustments he asked in the off

592
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: season Miami.

593
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: I think the development will will improve as the years

594
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: go on.

595
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: They made adjustments when it comes to that, you know,

596
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: the personnel that they had there, So I think he'll

597
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: be just fine. Obviously, he's our boy, so he's kind

598
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: of like we kind of root for this guy. He's

599
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 3: one of those guys that we root for a lot.

600
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: So anyone else you want to highlight at the low

601
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 3: A level before we move on to high end, Yeah,

602
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 3: too much?

603
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: Think so? Yeah, I don't. I don't think so.

604
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 4: The only other thing I'd say is, like, the reason

605
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 4: that I say you can kind of put him in

606
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 4: the same bucket is because yes, mccant's this is his

607
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 4: first full season year with Jupiter, but he did repeat FCL.

608
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 4: So I mean, yeah, still, you know there's there's third season.

609
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 4: You know, they're they're very similar. Like I said, I

610
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: think Lewis walks enough, could use to do it a

611
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 4: little bit more.

612
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 2: Mccantson does not walk enough and strikes out at at

613
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: an elevated rate.

614
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I would put Lewis slightly obviously

615
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 4: ahead of mccant's. But man, both of these players are

616
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 4: very very similar to me in terms of where they're

617
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 4: at and what they need to show. So more walks,

618
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 4: please keep up the stolen bases, that's great. Just get

619
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 4: on base and let your speed work for you from there.

620
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 4: That's what we need to see from these guys a

621
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 4: lot more as we go forward into coming the seasons and.

622
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: The back end of the season. But yeah, nobody else

623
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: on Jupiter for me, we can go on. Yeah, all right, Hi, Beloit.

624
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 3: This is the level that when we did a podcast

625
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 3: I believe it was Danny devivo Eli as well are

626
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: the founder fish On first we said this would be

627
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 3: the level to watch this season, and man, has it

628
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 3: been rough. I think that's the best way to put it.

629
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 3: Uh Khlo Watson no longer with the organization Jacob Barry

630
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: promoted the double a really Yudcape struggled. We'll talk about him,

631
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 3: But then there's the case of the guys who have

632
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: been good, and I think that's where we could start.

633
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 3: Let's start with.

634
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: Our boy to Warn Montgomery. He got promoted from low Ay.

635
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 3: Jupiter got off to a pretty rough start, struggled a lot,

636
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 3: but he really picked it up, really picked it up

637
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 3: very quickly, and he I mean, we were dying for

638
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: this guy to get promoted. And when we saw Barry

639
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: get the promotion, I texted Torn and I'm like, did

640
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 3: you get promoted too? And he said, yeah, I'm on

641
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 3: my way to Bloyd. I'm like, I love it. So

642
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: that kind of shows you what this organization fought, not

643
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 3: only about Barry going to first base, but Torn finally

644
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 3: getting that opportunity to go to high a jupe to

645
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 3: Hi a Deloit, and I believe he suffered an injury.

646
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: But for the most part, Porn's been pretty damn good

647
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 3: at both levels.

648
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: I know he's been on a little cold streak.

649
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, now he's not been too good at the high

650
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: at the high level, but just let's read the stats

651
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: of Jupiter before we talk about Torn.

652
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: Playing high A.

653
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: Three forty one eighty six three sixty seven with three

654
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 3: home runs, thirty two RBIs, four stolen bases in a

655
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: one seventy w RC plus. He has an under w

656
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: under one hundred WRC plus currently with Belloit. But again,

657
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: he has been injured. I believe it was like a

658
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 3: what was it, Carver, It was something with his foot

659
00:26:59,200 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: or his hand.

660
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was a leg injury. Very minor,

661
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: you know. I think missed a couple of games from it.

662
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: They pulled him out early and he missed like I

663
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: think like two or three games and he was back.

664
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: But but yeah, like you said, really really really solid

665
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 4: with Jupiter, he struggled with with Beloit.

666
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean he doesn't belong there. He definitely

667
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: belongs there.

668
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 4: The thing that I would say about that is, man,

669
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 4: call up Zach Zubia, Please.

670
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: Put him in. Put him in Pensacola. That guy, that

671
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: guy's been doing really really well.

672
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 4: Give tour On the ability the full time at first base,

673
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: playing first base full time. He's done some dating. To

674
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 4: give him the full time at first base, make him

675
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 4: the primary first baseman, and move Zubia up to double A.

676
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 4: So there's a little bit of a logs in there

677
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 4: with first Basement. At this level, I definitely think Zubia

678
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 4: belongs with Pensacola. So that's what I would say for that.

679
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 4: But anyways, like you said, overall this year one forty

680
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: seven w RC plus for Montgomery, So even though he

681
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: struggled with Beloit, as you just said, he's still seventh

682
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 4: in the organization in WRCY plus, so super good.

683
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: I love this guy.

684
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 4: Man, He's got so much more power than his build

685
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 4: would show you because of his huge upper body. This

686
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: guy is a very very powerful, powerful player that is

687
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 4: going to come by I think more over the fence

688
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 4: power as well.

689
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: Hits the ball extremely hard when he finds it, very

690
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: patient at the plate.

691
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 4: Like we said, has struggled a bit against single advanced pitching,

692
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 4: but it tends to happen at a new level, so

693
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: he's gonna be fine. He's playing in a much different

694
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 4: environment than South Florida, in Wisconsin and these places that

695
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 4: he's in.

696
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: So that goes into it as well. So yeah, that's

697
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: what I would say for this player really really really

698
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: deserved the opportunity to go to single advanced.

699
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 4: When you reported that Cap, I was like, oh, my god,

700
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 4: thank god they actually did that. So so yeah, definitely

701
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: want to see more of Torn at first base. Definitely

702
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 4: want to see him in the primary first base before

703
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 4: this team and just get his full shot in there.

704
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: Just get him reps. I think he just needs reps

705
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: and he's gonna be fine.

706
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, I really like what this player shows at

707
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 4: the plate, and I think he could definitely stick and

708
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 4: be fine at first base.

709
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, super good. I'm excited for Toring.

710
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: I'm not worried at all, but to slow start with boy,

711
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 4: because like I said, it tends to happen.

712
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Like, you would

713
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: think that someone like Torn would have a lot more

714
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: over defense power. He only hit three home runs with Jupiter,

715
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: I don't he's guys even reached ten career homers in

716
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: his whole career, So a little disappointing on that. And

717
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: because for the type of build that he has, and

718
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: we've seen Torn many times in person, this guy is jacked.

719
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: Like he may be one of the most jack guys

720
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: in the organization. There's like Peyton Burdick, and not too

721
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: far behind you have Torn Montgomery. Like that's how I

722
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: see it, and obviously have Jawar who hits bombs too,

723
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: so I am excited to see for what he gets

724
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: to Pensacola and especially Jacksonville. Mean, we've seen the right field,

725
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: the right field fence, Toron Montgomery. Torren's gonna hit like

726
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: bombs out there, and I know Pensacola is a little

727
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: more hit or friendly for him and in this case,

728
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 3: so very excited to see what happens there. I do

729
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 3: want to talk about Osyrus Johnson, like, you know, we'll

730
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: put the faces and whatever, like we we basically had

731
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: this guy written off, but he's been held back by injuries.

732
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: Man Carver, He's been pretty good. There's no other way

733
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: to say it. He's been pretty good. And obviously I'm

734
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: not gonna put too much stock in it with Johnson here,

735
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: but it's nice to see because this guy is one.

736
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: Of the he was alright for the most part in

737
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: his career.

738
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: Besides, like twenty twenty one in the Complex League, he

739
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: hasn't done too much this season with a one oh

740
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 3: four WRC, plus he's one of the only center fielders

741
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: in the organization that plays the center field natural position.

742
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: There So Alex, I just do want to say it

743
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: since July first, he's saying two ninety three sixty eight,

744
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: four sixty eight, twenty eight with three home runs, so

745
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 3: he's popped into the power twelve RBIs in thirteen walks.

746
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: I guess the only issue with him is a strikeout

747
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: rate obviously thirty percent there. But aside from that, I mean,

748
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: it's been an it's been I guess a pleasant surprise

749
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: for the CEO, Cyrus Johnson finally see what Miami drafted

750
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: him for, which was kind of get that player that

751
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 3: we wanted.

752
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, such an interesting career build for this guy.

753
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: I mean, starts out as an infielder.

754
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 4: They put him in the FCL when he was really struggling,

755
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 4: and then he turned into an outfielder and it's been

756
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 4: a guy who's been really streaking. He's had these really

757
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: great stretches like the one you just mentioned, and then

758
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 4: he can go cold for a long time. So consistency

759
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 4: is the thing for Osirah Johnson that he really needs

760
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: to show to Is this for real? Like are you

761
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 4: for real with this? Or are you just gonna go

762
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 4: cold again? And then we're going to talk about you

763
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: in a couple months again, You know what I mean?

764
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: That's kind of the thing for Johnson. He has great

765
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 4: athleticism though his ability to learn center field, which was

766
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 4: not a natural position.

767
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: He was an infielder.

768
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 4: Now it's his position because he learned it in such

769
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 4: a quick amount of time, which was very impressive to see.

770
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 4: He's good out there though. I think he can definitely

771
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: make it work out there. Good speed as well. The

772
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 4: one thing I would say for him definitely above average speed.

773
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 4: Doesn't see a lot of basis because he hits a

774
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 4: lot of home runs. But yeah, what I would say

775
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 4: for this player that he needs to show overall, like

776
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 4: he said, is a lot more walks. This guy does

777
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: not walk at all and he never has, so really

778
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: needs to work out plate presence, plate discipline. He has

779
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 4: great bat speed, so just stay back on the ball

780
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 4: a little bit more and let the ball come to

781
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: you before you commit to a swing. That's I think

782
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 4: where he could really learn to live a little bit

783
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: better when it comes to his.

784
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: Strikeouts to walks. The ratio, so that's kind of what

785
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: you want to see this guy.

786
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 4: From what I just said of back speed, I think

787
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: he still has the best bat speed in the Marlins organization.

788
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: That's how he comes by his power.

789
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: So with bat speeds like that, you want to see

790
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 4: a guy sit back more and not get out in

791
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 4: front of pitches and not commit.

792
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: To swing stood too terribly early.

793
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,239
Speaker 4: So when you're scouting the player like that, that's kind

794
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: of what you want to see come out of Johnson

795
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: here as he goes along with his career.

796
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: Still twenty two, so a lot of time, right.

797
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 4: So, I mean it's great that he's showing. When he's

798
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 4: showing today, does that permeate? And how does he make

799
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 4: that permeate? That's the main, the main thing for him. Man,

800
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: this guy coming up though, great athlete, continuing to show

801
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: that good power, just needs to stay back on the

802
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 4: ball a little bit more work out that strikeouts and

803
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 4: walks ratio or strikeouts and walks whatever, and let the

804
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 4: power just come you a little more, nat really, and

805
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be really good. So yeah, a

806
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 4: lot to still prove for this player. I'm not all

807
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: the way bought in yet because like I said, he

808
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: can definitely go cold at any time. So how long

809
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 4: can you keep this up? That's what we need to

810
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 4: stay That's what we need to look at with Osiris.

811
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: But man, it's been good lately. Let's hope it keeps

812
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: it up.

813
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. We're not bought into Osiris Johnson.

814
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: I don't think Alex and I are, and I don't

815
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: think anyone expected him to do what he's doing this

816
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: season in terms of the improvement. So I guess that's

817
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: the big thing that you said. He has the athleticism,

818
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: man to speaks to play center field, so it's nice

819
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: to seem that he's been played there. But I want

820
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: to talk about one of the guys who's kind of like,

821
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this, he's been one of the worst.

822
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: No not worse, because he got off to fairly gets

823
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: started with Hya, but it's like one of the guys

824
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: who's regressed the most this season, and that's Yedi Cape.

825
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: He was at one point one of the maybe the

826
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: top position player in this organization. When it came to

827
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: in the farm system, he was the top position player

828
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: in the farm system. He goes from going to the

829
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: Complex League, we're at a one thirty nine wrs plus,

830
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: gets promoted to Jupiter, struggles a little bit. For the

831
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: most part, he was pretty good, I mean didn't get

832
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: on base too much. You know, we said going into

833
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: the year that man Ediecapey, he goes to HYI blow,

834
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: he's gonna be pretty good. He got off to a

835
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: really good start, and now he's had a sixty one

836
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: WRC plus, barely gets on base, barely gets you know,

837
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: any contact on the baseball, five home runs. I guess

838
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: the only good thing is the fifty one RBIs he

839
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: has that I'm very impressed on. That does barely walks eight,

840
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: barely strikes out, barely puts.

841
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: The ball in play. Man.

842
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: What a regression for someone like Edi caape who just

843
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: last season he was regarded as the best minor leaguer.

844
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: He won Minor Leaguer of the Year for the Marlins.

845
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 3: Do you I guess you could even bring up the

846
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: question was it a mistake to give him the promotion

847
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: to Hye Bloit because he barely played with Jupiter. He

848
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: ended up playing thirty seven games with the Hammerheads, and

849
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 3: that was towards the back end of the year.

850
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

851
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: I mean it's a fair question. But like I said,

852
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 4: when they believe in, guys are going to challenge them.

853
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: Right.

854
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: If they don't think they're ready, they're not gonna do it.

855
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: So and then as well, another thing too, Kevi is

856
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 4: that you have to clear space out for guys that

857
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: are coming up. So there's there's stuff there as well,

858
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 4: like obviously you don't want to challenge a guy if

859
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: he's not ready for it, but you also need to

860
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 4: make space for guys that are coming up behind them.

861
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 4: So that's what I would say here is kind of

862
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 4: what's happening. And you see that infield with Lewis and McCants.

863
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 4: You know, they need room for those guys. They need

864
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 4: to play it too, so.

865
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: And they're not ready for hy A.

866
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: So so yeah, that's kind of what you see here

867
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 4: happening is just the overall movement in the organization and

868
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 4: guys that they're confident in. And this guy was Minor

869
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 4: League Player of the Year for a very good reason.

870
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 4: You know, they pushed him quickly. And it hasn't been

871
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 4: good with Blloyd. It's just been very, very tough.

872
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: To see for YETI here lately it's just not enough contact.

873
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 4: Man. That's this is another player who needs to come

874
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 4: by a lot of contact to be successful and he's

875
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 4: not showing the ability to come by contact. So again,

876
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 4: you know, to twenty seven with a five seventy nine

877
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 4: ops has hit five home runs, which is great, but man, yeah,

878
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 4: eighty four to sixteen strikeouts to ratio not good.

879
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: Can't strike out that much, man, it's not gonna work.

880
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 4: So again, another player who just really needs to sit back,

881
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 4: can't get out in front of pitches, can't commit the

882
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: pitches too early, need to view pitching better. So obviously

883
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: it's a new level for him, but it's been a while.

884
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 4: He's been there since the start of the season. You

885
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 4: want to see it start to show. We really haven't

886
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 4: seen it start even start for you. A couple of

887
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 4: bright moments, you know, a couple home runs which is great,

888
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 4: bunch of stolen bases, so you know he's fast. But

889
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 4: if you can't get on base, it don't matter, right,

890
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 4: So you can't walk, you can't hit for average on

891
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 4: base percentage ain't there.

892
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna work.

893
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 4: So definitely not out, not out on This player still

894
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 4: be twenty years old playing against players that are older

895
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: than him on average, so there's room to grow for

896
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 4: this player. But man, when you see the slash line

897
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 4: of two twenty seven, two fifty six three twenty three,

898
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 4: that's a rough.

899
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: Lookment, Yeah, and how do you even like I think

900
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: just he'll obviously repeat the level. I'll be I will

901
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: be floored if they see that, if they really promote

902
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: in the Double A. Obviously, I mean, if they do it,

903
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: they do it. You know, he's a guy who's one

904
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: of the top guys in this organization. They'll do it

905
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 3: if they need it, because you would assume not see

906
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: Nuniaz goes to Triple A next season unless we'll see

907
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: I don't know. Last season, the way they handled the

908
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: minor leagues, we were not very happy about that, and

909
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 3: we we could go on another two hour podcasts talking

910
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: about that.

911
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 4: But you see what he can do if he gets

912
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 4: the ball and play keV like, this guy can turn

913
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: basically anything into a double so and then he steals

914
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 4: bases as well, Like whether it's just legging it out,

915
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 4: you know, while the ball is in play, or if.

916
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: It's stealing a base. This guy has the ability to

917
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: put runs in scoring position what he did in Jupiter exactly.

918
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: So run creation for him is definitely such a good

919
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: tool because he has the speed.

920
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: But we thought he had the bat to ball.

921
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 4: You know, scouting grades would tell you that they think

922
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 4: he has a bat to ball, and with Beloit, he

923
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: just has not showed it.

924
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: So again, he's.

925
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 4: Very young for the level still, so there is still

926
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: a lot of room for this player to improve. So

927
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 4: we're not out on this player whatsoever. I don't think

928
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 4: anybody should be out on Cape, but man, it's just

929
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 4: it just hasn't been a very good year overall for

930
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 4: this player. I mean, he has twenty five doubles, we

931
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 4: can call that out. Like I said, this guy can

932
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 4: turn anything into a double. So the steals are also good,

933
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 4: five from runs, you know. That was a question mark

934
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 4: I had about Cape is the overall ability to put

935
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 4: on some weight.

936
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: He's very lanky.

937
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 4: He's very tall, but he's a very lanky kid, so

938
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 4: you know, just the ability to add some more weight

939
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: and add.

940
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: Some more at some more power was a question mark

941
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: for me coming into the season.

942
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: Looks like he's really started to do that, so that's good,

943
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: but man, it needs to happen on a much more

944
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 4: consistent basis for this player. But like I said, still

945
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 4: a lot of time.

946
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, And I guess this organization is pretty committed

947
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: to them playing shortstop. That's that's the only position he's

948
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: played this season with Bloyd, So I guess the lanky

949
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 3: bill as he mentioned, kind of I guess would portraying

950
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: to what you want in a shortstop. So I think

951
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: we could end it on that note. We kept pay Uh,

952
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: let's talk with Joe Mack. I think this is a

953
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: guy who have made it pretty adamant. I'm basically out

954
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: on him. I know I should have hope to stay

955
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: in on Joe Mack, but it's just like, man, I've

956
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: seen nothing from this kid that really makes me believe

957
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: that he's gonna be good. Like, you know, this is

958
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: a guy who when when he got drafted, we knew

959
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: he wasn't gonna be great defensively, but we knew his

960
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 3: offense was something that should have been the plus, you know,

961
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: for Joe Mack, and that just hasn't been the case.

962
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: He's barely walking, he's barely hitting for power.

963
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: Thirty one.

964
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 3: RBI is very impressed. He's not putting the ball on play,

965
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: he's not hitting for contact. Carver, this guy basically sucks.

966
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: He's worse than Cafe to a certain degree. There's just

967
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 3: another way to put it. Obviously, he's still very young,

968
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: he still has time. But man, when when you look

969
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: at what Miami drafted into, what he's been turning into

970
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: he's been pretty bad. There's no other way to put it.

971
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 3: It's nice to see that he made adjustments and for

972
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: a little bit he had been getting it going, but

973
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: like since.

974
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: That, like, he's not been good.

975
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: I obviously, I know you're not going to be out

976
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 3: on someone like Jill Mack, but nan like, if he

977
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: doesn't pick it up towards this back end of the year,

978
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: I'm basically out on him. And you know I've been

979
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: not made it very clear that I'm basically out on

980
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: Jie Mac. Obviously you aren't, but I guess just take

981
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: us through what you've seen with this guy. Obviously a

982
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: lot more videos available for him this season.

983
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't think you're wrong that it's been

984
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 4: a little bit disappointing overall for this player.

985
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: But with high school catchers, you have to temper expectations.

986
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 4: This is a high school catcher, and you know it

987
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: doesn't have the defensive will bandfield, So it's a different

988
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 4: type of player in terms of where they're at skill

989
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 4: set wise, but it's very similar with offensive production from

990
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 4: high school catchers. As a high school catcher, you have

991
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 4: to come in and get into basically an entirely different

992
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 4: routine from any other hitter because you have to catch

993
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 4: bullpens and you have to you know, get your sidework

994
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 4: in in a much different way, and you have to

995
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: work on your blocking, and you have to work on framing,

996
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 4: and there's so many other things while you're also trying.

997
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: To work on your offense.

998
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 4: Right, So it's not to say that other position players

999
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 4: don't work on things like fielding, drolls and stuff like that,

1000
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: but it's a much different workload for catchers. So getting

1001
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 4: used to that workload and also trying to improve at

1002
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 4: the plate and improve against you know, major league and

1003
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: pro pitching, it's a lot more challenging, especially for such

1004
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 4: a young high school catcher that's coming out that doesn't

1005
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 4: have college experience. So that's the risk you take when

1006
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 4: you draft high school catchers. That's the risk you take

1007
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 4: when you try to develop high school catchers. It took

1008
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 4: a long time for Will Banfield to do it. He

1009
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 4: did it, but he's still pretty young, so, like you said,

1010
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 4: there's still time even though this may take a little while.

1011
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 4: Even though this is a long term project in terms

1012
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 4: of developing Joe Max's offense and defense, in some ways,

1013
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 4: I guess you could say because he's not as good

1014
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 4: as Bandfield, A few people are very good. But yeah,

1015
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 4: what I would say is when you look at when

1016
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 4: you talk about guys to give time to and let

1017
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: them get time before you just say you're out on them.

1018
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: Or they're not good.

1019
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 4: The top of the list type of player that you

1020
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 4: do that for is a high school catcher.

1021
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: So that's what I would say for Joe Mac. August

1022
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: has been better. We can point to that.

1023
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 4: So in August two thirty seven, three thirteen, four ninety two,

1024
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 4: obviously what sticks out there is the sluging percentity. He's

1025
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 4: hit four home runs, so you can kind of start

1026
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 4: to see it coming a little bit for Joe Mac.

1027
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: This month, especially this past week. This past week has

1028
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 4: been actually pretty damn good for him. So since August twelfth,

1029
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 4: he has two, three, four, five, six, seven eight hits.

1030
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean there's there's definitely some some flashes

1031
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: showing here for Joe Mac. You know, earlier this year,

1032
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 4: when he was not doing anything like what he did

1033
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 4: this past week at all, even for like a couple

1034
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 4: of weeks stretch, that's when I was like, oh man,

1035
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 4: and that's when we were talking about him before.

1036
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 2: It's been better.

1037
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 4: Lately and he's starting to show it, so at least

1038
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 4: you start to see it, right, But how long can

1039
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 4: you make that stay consistent? Like we talked about with osirus,

1040
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 4: different circumstance, but just let me talked about you got

1041
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 4: to keep it consistent. So how long can Mac keep

1042
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 4: this up? How long can you keep it consistent? If

1043
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 4: he ends the year on a high note, Man, if

1044
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: he ends August, then he's at like a two fifty

1045
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 4: plus batting average, which with still good power numbers.

1046
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 2: Now we're talking, okay, that.

1047
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: Like that's that's that's a great month for him, probably

1048
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 4: your career best month.

1049
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: Honestly, I would say without looking at it, it would

1050
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: save him from being out of him. So I'll tell

1051
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: you that much.

1052
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1053
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so high school catachers, you gotta you gotta, you know,

1054
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 4: just like you want to see it.

1055
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was drafted really high.

1056
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it, but we got to give him

1057
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 4: a little bit, a little bit more time, a little

1058
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 4: bit more benefit of doubt that hey, it's gonna come,

1059
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 4: It's gonna happen.

1060
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 3: So now is when we're seeing Banfield be like kind

1061
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: of what my mom expected to.

1062
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: So there you go.

1063
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you see with Danfield, if this were like

1064
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, we could be having the

1065
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 4: same conversation, almost the same conversation about Will Banfield.

1066
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, give him time.

1067
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 3: All right, now, I think we're gonna get into the

1068
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: port where we're kind of like begging here on this

1069
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: podcast to promote these guys. We're gonna start with your boy,

1070
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: Zak Zubia, who, God damn, this guy needs to be

1071
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: in double A Pensacola already could even make the case.

1072
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: He's what twenty twenty five, You could even put him

1073
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: in trouble A if you wanted to. But two eighty two,

1074
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: four sixteen, four, seventy eight, eighty six with a one

1075
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: fifty three WRC plus he has ten home runs, thirty

1076
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: one RBIs, seventeen point seven walk twenty six point five

1077
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: strikeout percentage. Ken the police promote this guy already, Double A,

1078
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: Triple A doesn't matter. I think he's really good. I

1079
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: think he could be pretty good. Obviously, twenty five years

1080
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 3: old kind.

1081
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: Of should not be. Hya Bloit. Yeah, twenty five years old. Man,

1082
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: it's tough to see this.

1083
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 4: They did it with Davis Bradshaw too, so I mean

1084
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 4: Davis Bradshaw, much different player than zac Zubia, of course,

1085
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: but they did the same thing to him. They they

1086
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 4: stuck him down there in Single A and he just

1087
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: recently got his call up to.

1088
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: Double A.

1089
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 4: So man, if you call him up and they don't

1090
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 4: have it, okay, fine, But what's It's just not fair

1091
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 4: to the player. It's not fair to players behind them

1092
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 4: that are coming up and pushing their way at lower

1093
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 4: levels as well. That spot needs to go to somebody

1094
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 4: who should be at that level. Zach Zubia should not

1095
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 4: be in single Advanced, zak Zubia should be in Double A.

1096
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 4: And torm Montgomery should be the full time starting first

1097
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 4: base because he earned it in Jupiter.

1098
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: So it's just so when I see stuff like this,

1099
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: it's just like so discouraging to me.

1100
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: And what it says to me is like, if you

1101
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 4: look at guys like zag Zubia who are not high

1102
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: draft picks or anything like that, they don't have a

1103
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 4: lot of money investing the guys a twentieth round draft pick,

1104
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 4: Like obviously you're you know, if you're coming out of

1105
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: a future draft and you're looking at that, that may

1106
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 4: discourage you about the Marlins, Like, Hey, I'm a twentieth

1107
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 4: round draft pick. They have this twenty five year old

1108
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 4: previous twenty five twentieth round draft pick, Like why he's

1109
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 4: earned his way? Like what's to say they won't do

1110
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 4: the same thing to me?

1111
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: You know, So, guys that earn their way to.

1112
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 4: New levels need to be at those new levels, and

1113
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 4: this is definitely a guy that has done it in

1114
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 4: every sense of the word. The guy was hitting multiple

1115
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 4: home runs as early as spring training. Guy has absolute bombs.

1116
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: He's walking, He's not striking out at an enhanced clip,

1117
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 4: which is what you would expect from a power hitter

1118
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: like this, but he's managed to strike outs very well.

1119
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: He's walked.

1120
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 4: He doesn't have speed at all, so he hasn't stolen bases,

1121
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 4: but that's okay. He's played decently at first base. Man

1122
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 4: like two eight, two, sixteen, four to seventy come on, Like.

1123
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: What are you waiting for?

1124
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess the next guy I do want to

1125
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: talk to you about.

1126
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: And this is not one of those guys that we're

1127
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: back in at promote.

1128
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: But I actually didn't know he got the promotion at

1129
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: the HIA. It was Chase Lutrelle. Last year's I want

1130
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: to say, thirteenth round draft pick. I did not know

1131
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: he earned the promotion to HIA. He has a one

1132
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: oh five WRC plus two fifty batting average hit very

1133
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 3: league average. He just got to promotion too. He's only

1134
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: played three games, so I was not aware of this.

1135
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: That's why not too many stats. He was pretty good

1136
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: for the most part in Jupiter. I know he's a

1137
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: center fielder first, so that's another nice I guess. Addition,

1138
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 3: there not much to talk about there unless you want

1139
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 3: to make any editions. But the next I do want

1140
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 3: to talk about Jake Thompson. Yeah, that's another one of

1141
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: those guys. There another guy.

1142
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: Who needs a promotion. God, this guy needs to get promoted.

1143
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: He has a one forty seven WRC plus two sixty

1144
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 3: five three sixty nine five fourteen eighty four with fifteen

1145
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: home runs thirty seven RBIs. He doesn't even strike out

1146
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 3: that much either, eighteen point eight percent, ten point eight

1147
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: percent walk rate. Like, God, just promote him already. But

1148
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: this guy is absolutely nothing else to show. You could

1149
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: put him to the outfield, you could make him a DH

1150
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: He has the power, he could drive and run. He

1151
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: doesn't even put the ball in play that much either,

1152
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: which is very impressive given the fact that he is

1153
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: a patient hitter, ten percent walk rate. I mean, Alex,

1154
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: what else does this guy have to show you? And

1155
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 3: he's also twenty five, So another one of those situations

1156
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: is just no reason. Yeah, there's no reason.

1157
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 4: There's definitely room to be had in that Pensa Hall

1158
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 4: lineup as well for a guy like this and Zubia.

1159
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: So again he gets rug Gonzalez.

1160
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, something, And that's another thing that Marlins

1161
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 4: have not been good at his cutting bait with guys

1162
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 4: that just haven't performed. We're just promoted the triple A, right,

1163
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 4: I mean whichever, I mean, it's not. It's not a

1164
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 4: dissimilar jump from double A to triple A. Double A

1165
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 4: is the hardest jump to make, so you do. I

1166
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 4: would want to see time there first for a guy

1167
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 4: like that. But yeah, I mean, just real quickly on

1168
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 4: the trail. He gets promoted because you need a room

1169
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 4: for camp uh de Leo and who's their other outfielder,

1170
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 4: another draft guy, Koli. Yeah, you need a room for

1171
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 4: these guys in Jupiter. So he gets promoted pretty league average,

1172
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: like you said, continues for for that player of the

1173
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 4: trel strikes out too much, needs to work on the strikeouts,

1174
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 4: but intriguing and he has a cool looking mustache. Anyways,

1175
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 4: that's the trail for Thompson Man. She's you saw it

1176
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 4: again last night, another one fifteenth homer of the year.

1177
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 4: This guy, all this guy has done is hit the

1178
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 4: baseball like literally, that's that's literally all this guy has done.

1179
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 4: And it's great contact when he makes it, so fantastic walks.

1180
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 4: I mean, look at his month of August, Like just

1181
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: just go look at Jake Thompson's month of August and

1182
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 4: it'll tell you all you need to know. Insane, nothing

1183
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 4: left to prove in single advanced needs to be up

1184
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 4: at twenty five years old in the upper miners, so

1185
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 4: hopefully that happens by the end of the year. It's

1186
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 4: another guy that is held back right now, and I

1187
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 4: think there's a room for him. We'll go through down

1188
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 4: lay triple A. I think that there's room for him

1189
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 4: and Zubia right now in in double A or Triple A,

1190
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 4: one of the two.

1191
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love Jake Thompson Man.

1192
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: Sweet sweet swing, stays back really well, walks are great, awesome,

1193
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 4: He's even fast, a little got a little speed to

1194
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 4: him too, a couple of stolen bases this year, manages

1195
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 4: strikeouts just just nothing left to prove two sixty five,

1196
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 4: three sixty nine, fourteen overall with the skycarp and then

1197
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 4: I'll give you guys that month of August red quick

1198
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 4: just because I said it, I have it so in obviously, Yeah, go.

1199
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: Ahead say it.

1200
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: Four twelve, five point fifty six, seven ninety four one

1201
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: point three five zero with a four to fifty five babbitt,

1202
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: four home run, seven nine RBIs, seven walks, eight strikeouts,

1203
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: surprisingly four hit by pitches. So uh, this guy's crushing

1204
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: it at the at the high level, especially in this

1205
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 3: past month lastka, I want to mention at the high level,

1206
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: have your son noha Uh started the year with Jupiter.

1207
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: Got the promotion very well deserved. He was hitting over

1208
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 3: three hundred at Jupiter, continues to hit over three hundred

1209
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 3: early on it. Beloit, this is a guy who kind

1210
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 3: of could play it everywhere.

1211
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 2: ELI did a cool article on him.

1212
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 3: He was saying, this is another guy who's doing the

1213
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 3: Luis Arise impression. Obviously you can't compare him yet to that,

1214
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: but he's a contact hitter who could kind of play

1215
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 3: you a lot of positions. I believe he's also played

1216
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 3: center field before. Correct me if I'm wrong. He has

1217
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: the speed in athleticism to do it. So nice to

1218
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: see that they're putting him there. So quick words on

1219
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 3: Sonha and I think we could go to one of

1220
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: the most fun levels of minor league baseball, the Pensacola

1221
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 3: Blue Wahoos.

1222
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, pure battball. Guy doesn't strike out at all, very

1223
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 4: very good. That was an Eli's article. This guy doesn't

1224
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 4: just doesn't shake out.

1225
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very good. Yeah, absolutely so.

1226
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 4: And then I mean, I know it's only been like,

1227
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 4: what nine games with with the Skycarp, but the numbers

1228
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 4: permeate here.

1229
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: So with Jupiter three eight, three fifty six, four.

1230
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 4: Hundred with the Skycarp only nine games, Yes, small sample

1231
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 4: size three twenty five, three fifty seven, four seventy five,

1232
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 4: so the jumping level didn't hurt him at all.

1233
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: Yep. How old is this guy? This guy is.

1234
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 4: Twenty years old, so very very young player, very very

1235
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 4: small guy, but man knows his craft very well. I think,

1236
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 4: doesn't try to do too much at the plate and

1237
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 4: has great defensive flexibility like you just said, keV. So

1238
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 4: this guy also easy to get him in lineups, easy

1239
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 4: to get him in games. Cool makeup. I'm not never

1240
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 4: going to hit for a lot of power. He will

1241
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 4: not hit for power, just doesn't do it. So you know,

1242
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 4: he has somehow has three home runs this year, which

1243
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 4: is impressive for him, twelve for his career. So yeah,

1244
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 4: I mean, just just a pure bats ball guy, finds

1245
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 4: gaps really well, can go to all fields, very very

1246
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 4: simplistic at the plate. A kind of player that I

1247
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 4: really like and the guy that really fits that mold

1248
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 4: of what the Marlins targeted this offseason of.

1249
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: Pure on base threats. So it really really likes.

1250
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 4: So Noah, it's been impressive to watch him as a

1251
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 4: twenty year old kid doing what he's done at these

1252
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 4: single A levels.

1253
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: It's been really cool.

1254
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: In the rare shout at the Mob pipeline who put

1255
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 3: him in the top thirty, So yeah, they had they

1256
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: had him, I think before all of us. So in

1257
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: their latest stupdates they put him at nineteen. We we

1258
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: could also do another podcast and that they're kind of

1259
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 3: going through the MLB Top thirty because they kind of

1260
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 3: they kind of hit on it pretty well, I will say,

1261
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: considering what we've seen years past,