1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the official Pod. We are down here Mobile, Labama. 2 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: By this time, the Senior Bowl is over. But I'm 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: joined by Mike La Fleur. We were presented by wind 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: bet Bet into the team sport but together at win Bet. 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: You made an entrance here today. How different is your 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: role now as the offensive coordinators of the New York 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Jets compared to the last time you were here working 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: for Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco for much, you know, 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: And it's but it's uh, it's coming full circle a 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 1: little bit, you know. I mean when we came down here, 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: it was it was a really good experience. Obviously the 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: first two years in San Francisco, um I was a 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: receiver coach and pass game coordinator and did a lot 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: of stuff still with the quarterbacks because Kyle was floating 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: around as a head coach when we came down to 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowls, like it's your show, you know, so 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: there was gonna be no interaction and and basically he 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: worked in two thousand eleven. Uh, when he was with 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: the Redskins, they worked down here, and they put a 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: lot of offense and I guess absolutely overloaded the players 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: and so the only piece of vice the game. He's like, 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: you're not gonna make the same mistake I did. So 23 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: we came in with a very simple plan. Just allow 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: these guys to play fast. Um. I thought we had 25 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: a really good week when we came down here. It 26 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: was really good for myself and all the other young 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: coaches just to kind of run the room while some 28 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: of the other guys took a step back. And then, um, 29 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: you know, and then I get down here and there's 30 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: I don't know where to stand out there right now. 31 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to watch but also not getting the way. 32 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: But you're trying to coach, you know, so um, but 33 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's cool. It's cool to watch Rob Calvaries 34 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: and all the other guys get a crack at it. 35 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah you're young, dude, but you're talking about Rob Calabrie's 36 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: who's I believe thirty one year thirty five? What's it 37 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: like when you go in that quarterbacks meeting room and 38 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: watch him orches straight, I'm thirty four. I got one more. 39 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: The only reason Eric I'm gonna say that is because 40 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: my wife just turned thirty five. So we always have 41 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: that little six week buffer where I get to be 42 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: the okay, so I jumping on right there? No, it's UM, 43 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: it's cool. You know Rob, Rob's a very intelligent, smart guy. Um, 44 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: he knows how to communicate with the quarterbacks. Um, I 45 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: had never worked with them before, obviously, And even though 46 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: he was in this system before in Denver with Rich Gangarrello, 47 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: there's still nuances and differences, you know, so that you're one, 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: you're still trying to get UM on the same page 49 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: with everything. And UM, he's ready to take off, you know, 50 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: and it this is a great experience for him, but 51 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: he's he's ready for this experience. I'm more fired up 52 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: for guys like Mac Brown, Billy Vanderberg, Jake Morland running 53 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: an offensive line. UM, just guys that haven't ran in 54 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: NFL room before and where they get to just coach 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: that whole thing up for the week. How did you 56 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: prepare for it when Kyle said you were going to 57 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: be the guy down here? How did you get ready 58 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: for it? And with that being said, what did you 59 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: say to Rob? Because I know you don't want to 60 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: psyche these guys out put too much on their shoulders 61 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: where it's like they're making more of it than maybe 62 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: they should. Where you have over preparations. When when we 63 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: came down here in eighteen, they did not have any 64 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: of the documents from seven years ago in Washington when 65 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: my brother was the quarterback coach. No one had any 66 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: of those documents. So we did somewhat have to start 67 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: from scratch. Um, and again I got the piece of 68 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: advice from Kyle, Hey, keep this thing simple. Uh. The 69 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: the whole deal for everyone in this league is to, 70 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: you know, just see these guys play as fast as 71 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: humanly possible. Give a little bit of stuff in to 72 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: them where you can see their brains working, adding a 73 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: few things and switching up a few things every single day. Um, 74 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: when we found out we were coming here, they are. 75 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 1: He had they are. He had the test because I 76 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: had all the files. So I'm like, hey, we just 77 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: basically got to switch this over to our terminology now, 78 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: which was basically the same terminology. So they got a 79 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the hard work out of 80 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: the way. They just had to make the cut ups 81 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: and get these guys prepared, rescripted on out, get it 82 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: out to the guys. Now. These guys are so prepared, 83 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: The players are so prepared with all the different trainers 84 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: and stuff that they're working with. They get the information 85 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: even faster than they did three three years ago. I 86 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: mean they're asking for the information two weeks in advance, 87 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: and that's good and all. You'd almost get bored because 88 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: there's not enough offense to like, you know, you'll learn 89 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: it in two days if you're going to study it. 90 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's not our whole playbook 91 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: by any means. It's five percent and it's dummy down. 92 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: So so so five percent you said, probably, yeah, five 93 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: teen percent, But I mean there's so many rules with this. 94 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't get in three by one formations. 95 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: It's uh, you know, you're you're you're stuck in two 96 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: by two, um, stuff like that, so that you can't motion. 97 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: So I mean there's you're you're so limited in what 98 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: you can do anyways, you know. So that's where I 99 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: like to give out the playbook. But then you keep 100 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: a couple of things on the side so that it 101 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: doesn't get old and stale. And then you also want 102 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: to see how fast guys can learn, you know, because 103 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: that's part of you know, the the unique advantage that 104 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: we get is we get to be in the meetings 105 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: with them. Everyone gets to watch them out there, but 106 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: we get a little bit closer and we get the 107 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: meetings and so you get to kind of see how 108 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: they process information. What are the challenges with the terminology 109 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: in such a short amount of time. Um, just that 110 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: it's new, you know, UM a lot of these guys 111 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: and this isn't new this year or last year. I mean, 112 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: this is college football. What seems like over the last 113 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: ten fifteen years, they're not even in huddles anymore. So 114 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: it's sometimes if they didn't do it in high school 115 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: and they didn't do in college, they've never been in 116 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: a huddle here, and not only a play call for 117 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: the first time, but a play call that might have 118 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: ten eleven words in it, you know, and it's telling 119 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: everyone where to line up, what kind of split the take, 120 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: what's going on in the protection. If I'm a receiver, 121 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: I don't need to worry about the protection until I 122 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: have to, because there might be one word where I'm 123 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm a part of that protection. Uh So it's just 124 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: being able to process that information. If you know, uh, 125 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: kind of split those play calls up in your head. 126 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna hear it a little bit different, but you 127 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: try to give them a couple of uh coaching points 128 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: to to how to hear it, and then um, you know. 129 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: It's one thing to be in the meeting get it 130 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: UH coached you, but it's another thing in real time 131 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: because you want to be able to break the huddle 132 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: and not look back like what do I got? You know, 133 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: because again we're we're all out there and if you're 134 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: doing that too often, then there's something that's uh maybe 135 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: a little bit off on how you're hearing it, and 136 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: we'll get you coached up. But uh you know. So 137 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: it's a challenge for him because it's a lot of 138 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: a lot of it's new for these guys. Can you 139 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: talk about the advantages for the staff to not only 140 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: get these guys on the field, but get them behind 141 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: closed doors watch them absorb the concepts, look at the film, 142 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: talk about um you know, but basically recite what you 143 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: guys are telling. Now, yeah, no, it's you get it. 144 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: You get a um, you know, up close view of 145 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: these guys and and how they're digesting the information that 146 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: you give them, and not only digesting it and be 147 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: able to recite it back to you, but then after 148 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: practice come back and you know you're coaching them up 149 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: see if you know, you can ask him a question, Hey, 150 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: what do you think you could do better here? And 151 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: it might be something you've never even coach, but hey, 152 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: there's a receiver I could have you know, attacked an 153 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: edge a little bit more and got a little bit 154 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: more of a re stammer. I was a little bit 155 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: short to my router, whatever have you. So it's stuff 156 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: that even at the combine you don't you don't get. 157 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is real football. 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Uh, talk 177 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: about yourself as a quarterback and you played safety too, right, 178 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: it's safety. Uh. My senior year I got moved to safety. 179 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: Actually are snowline coach Jake Moreland, his best friends Tim 180 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: Lester was now the head coach at Western Michigan. He U, 181 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: he came in my senior ye and we're going to 182 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: run more of a pro style offense at Elmer's College. 183 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: So being a five eight dude that I wasn't gonna 184 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: be able to see very well. Uh, and we had 185 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: a very good quarterback was one of my best friends, 186 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, in front of me. So um he started 187 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: at quarterback and I moved over to safety my senior 188 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: year and started at free safety all year. So it 189 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: was it was I'd never played defense before. I was 190 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: always a quarterback all through high school. That we didn't. 191 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: We didn't go two ways. So I was always a quarterback. 192 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: So what was your what's that? What were weighing in 193 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: at I was in high school? In college, Well you 194 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: played you played safety only in college? Yeah, right. I 195 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: got up to one eight seven my senior year at 196 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: five eight. It was like carrying a ton of bricks 197 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: on your feet. It was. It was one of the 198 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: dumbest moves I made because I thought, you know, hey, 199 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: my first year playing defense, I gotta be able to 200 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: I gotta be able to have some sturdiness and hit 201 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: some So I gained a bunch of weight, and now 202 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't run like I could as a quarterback, you know. 203 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: So I always looked back at that like that was 204 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: so dumb, Like, but how much did your quarterback background 205 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: help you when you go back to place I started because, 206 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, it wasn't I'd never played defense. 207 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: You know, being a quarterback, you're gonna know kind of 208 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: everything that's going on. So that was the easy transition. 209 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: It was, Hey, at the moment of truth, am I 210 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: gonna go stick my face in there? And I felt 211 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: like I would. But the problem was I wasn't getting 212 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: from point a to point defense enough because I was 213 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: in probably twelve pounds overweight, because I thought I had 214 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: to get nice and for playing defense. So anyway, I 215 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: played played defense that senior year. But before that, I 216 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: was a quarterback for three years. Started one year and 217 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: it was a good experience and we went to it 218 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: was a D three school in Chicago. I'm from small 219 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: town Michigan, so that was a whole just the school 220 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: experience being you know, in the summers of Chicago was different. Um, 221 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: it was cool. It was really cool. Where the coaching 222 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: bug come from? Because your your older brother now Matt 223 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: is what seven years older than you, a little over seven? Yeah, 224 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: where did it come from? So it goes, I mean 225 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: it goes pretty far back to my grandpa, my mom's dad. Uh. 226 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: He was a high school head coach in Michigan for 227 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: for twenty five plus years. Um. He played at Western Michigan. Um, 228 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: so he started it. My mom loved football because that's 229 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: what she knew growing up. She was at chew it 230 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: or she goes to Central Michigan, meets my dad who's 231 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: a player there. He was a he was a linebacker there. 232 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: Um and then d line is senior year he gets 233 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: into coaching. He coaches at Central Michigan for twenty three years. 234 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: And then you know, my brother gets into it. And 235 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm the one that I tried to get away from 236 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: it when I was at Elmhurst because it was a 237 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: it was a Division three school. There's no scholarships, so 238 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: you had, you know, I had had a pace some 239 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: money to go to school there. My mom's like, if 240 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: you're going to school in Chicago, and my brother tried 241 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: talking me into it, We're gonna go school in Chicago, 242 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: you might as well going to economics, go go going 243 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: to finance something like that and work down in the city, 244 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: makes some money. Said, you know what, You're right, And 245 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: I took about one week of classes and that and 246 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, I called my mom's waiting and I got 247 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: out and went into into education and got my degree 248 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: there and and yeah, I just got into coaching and 249 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: I kind of work my way up. What about the 250 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: gap between you and Matt seven years? Was it when 251 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: you guys were growing up? With it? Every competitive between 252 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: you two, because that's a pretty wide discrepancy. But with 253 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: that being said to you both are competitive guys. Probably 254 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: competitive because I wanted time with him and I was 255 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: the little brother that was always trying to linger around 256 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: so as I was growing up, No, it was not 257 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: competitive because he just was so much older. I was 258 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: always the ball boy and stuff like that, and you know, 259 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: the annoying little brother, always just trying to be around everything. Um, 260 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: we're probably got competitive, was what I was just saying. 261 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: When I got into college and you know, you're in college, 262 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: you're thinking, you're finally a man. He's still seven years 263 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: you're you're you know, older than you. He's working out 264 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: with Solid every day, and they got they ballooned up 265 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: and got huge when they were gas like, oh my god, 266 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: they got who. I got stories for days on that. 267 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: Maybe we get into it and um and Solid can 268 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: back it up later. But uh No, when I got 269 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: into college, I felt, you know what, I'm I'm in 270 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: a college program. Now I'm lifting, I'm I'm gaining away, 271 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm getting stronger, Like let's go. You know. So when 272 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: we're on our summer vacations on the beach, you know, 273 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you get a little challenge, and 274 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: that's where the competition would come. We get we get 275 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: down there on the beach and go after it a 276 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: little bit you mentioned Salah and your brother obviously started 277 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: out together as g as. Um. He always talks that 278 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: he was around your family quite a bit there in 279 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: those days. Can can you elaborate on that? Yeah, he's so. 280 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: Um they were at Central Michigan and that's I mean 281 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: Mount Pleasants a small town. I mean there's not much 282 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: going on there. There's the university and then it's just 283 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: a small town America right there. So um, again, not 284 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: much to do. And uh, then they were GA's not 285 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: making any money, kind of going to class I guess 286 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: if you want to call it that as gas and 287 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: they and they lived only a mile and a half 288 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: down the street because again, my moult Pleasant is not 289 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: that big. They had no cable, they had hardly any furniture. 290 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: So what are they gonna do in the piston? Detroit 291 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: Pistons are in the playoffs, They're gonna come over and 292 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, so you're just gonna naturally hang with them. 293 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: And um crazy enough, My my wife we were dating 294 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: at the time too. We started dating in high school. 295 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: So Lauren got to know, uh to no solemn. You know, 296 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: my brother obviously at an early age, and so it 297 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: was kind of us for hanging out watching playoff games 298 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and uh, yeah, they were always over. 299 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: Then they come over in the summer. We had a pool, 300 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: so they would lather up and kind of you know, 301 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: get a little sun tan there and then head off 302 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: to to the more the adult closer to the university 303 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: as the day went on, did you think early on, 304 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: when you're looking up at those guys that hey, they're 305 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: gonna do this for a long time? You know? I mean, 306 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: I you know you did? You just never know? Um, 307 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: we knew what we knew. You know, my dad again, 308 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: he coached at Central Michigan. We thought Mid American Conference football, 309 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: Like wow, like if if I could ever be a 310 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: coach in the Mid American Conference, Like how cool that being? 311 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: Just growing up? How fun it was to go to 312 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: those games, particularly I was a little bit younger. Um, 313 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: Central was a a good football team and then kind 314 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: of faded a little bit off later in the nineties 315 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: and then my dad got let go, but but a 316 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: twenty three year run. Um, they obviously did some pretty 317 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: good stuff there. So um, everyone asked me, you know Michigan, 318 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: Michigan State. I like Central Michigan. That's what I That's 319 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: what I thought football was you know, I mean there 320 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: was the Mid American Conference and um, so seeing them 321 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: as Gas had at a Division one school was a 322 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: huge deal, you know, and uh obviously solid. Uh kind 323 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: of moved on and got to the Texans and somehow, 324 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: some way as a as a QC, got my brother 325 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: in in the door as a QC with Kyle Shanahan, 326 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: and then they they just kind of took off from there. 327 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, he already was an he did. Yeah. Um, 328 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: what did you think when you got your start under him? 329 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: And why is he's such I guess a brilliant football mind. 330 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: Uh we talked about his father, no doubt about that. 331 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: But what he's able to accomplish him the way he 332 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: sees the game. What did you see from him? And uh, 333 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: why was that a great start for you? Well? It was. 334 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: It was an incredible start because I had had coached 335 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: um college football for four years at had a couple 336 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: of different small schools. Luckily all four of those years 337 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: right out of college, I was a coordinator, So I 338 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: got thrown right into it. Was not ready for it, 339 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: but you're never really ready for anything until you actually 340 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: get into it, you know. And so you kind of 341 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: learned through the fire and um. Because I didn't have 342 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: any foundation other than playing. I I took what I 343 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: could get from Kyle and my brother and I was 344 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: at their O t as in Washington and would just 345 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: listen to everything I could, you know, and then and 346 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: then dummy it down to get into a Division two 347 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: type offense. When I was in Davidson, I got a 348 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: call just late right after the signing day on a 349 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: Sunday night, and my brothers like, Hey, You're going to Cleveland. 350 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you mean? Why? Why? Why are 351 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: you going to Cleveland? You just going to Northday. He's like, no, dude, 352 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: you're going to Cleveland. He's like, Kyle just called. He's 353 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: got a he's got a QC spot for you, you know. 354 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, what am I going. 355 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: He's like, duding, like twelve hours, you're out. You know. 356 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: It was that quick. It was. It was ten o'clock 357 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: at night on a Sunday. My wife was sleeping, we 358 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: had no kids. She was sleeping on the couch. I 359 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: was watching some TV. I think we had that Monday 360 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: off or something like that, because we just got done 361 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: with the signing day and by eight am, I had 362 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: my car packed and I was out the door. So 363 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: you get to Cleveland, had to Cleveland, you know. And Uh, 364 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: I didn't really know where, what room I was gonna 365 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: be in, didn't know anything. I just had a got 366 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: a chance to get in, and I just wanted to 367 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: to to get in. Obviously with Kyle, he's really the 368 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: only one I knew. So UM got in there. They 369 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: put me an offensive line room, which was, to to 370 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: this day the most beneficial year I've had. I was 371 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: in the offensive line room with guys like Joe Thomas, 372 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: Alex mac Mitchell, Sward Shol Betonio, John Greco. I mean, 373 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: just like dudes, like you know, veteran dudes. And then 374 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: on top of it, a rookie that we just drafted 375 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: in Betonio, who got to learn from those guys. Um. 376 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: So that was the most beneficial year to day as 377 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: a coach because you saw it from advantage point that 378 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: you've never seen it before. Uh. And then the answer 379 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: your next question, just obviously getting in with Kyle, it's 380 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: what you learned through him is the importance of detail 381 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: and the important importance of urgency, Like how detailed he 382 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: was from the moment I met him too. How it 383 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: never stops and how to it never stops in front 384 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: of the coaches, and it never stops in front of 385 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: the player. He never assumes that you just got it, 386 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: and he's going to make sure that the players are 387 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: altra detailed and it it's he'll even say it's going 388 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: to get annoying at times, but I'm not gonna stop 389 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: until we get it done, you know. And so that's 390 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: where you just see that detail and that that commitment 391 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: to the detail, and you see it when you pop 392 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: on their tape. They're extremely detailed team. They play really tough, 393 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: but their details are are are through the roof. And 394 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: then on top of it, um is just the urgency 395 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: of this league that he teaches you like you don't 396 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: you don't have time. You gotta get better now. It 397 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you gotta win a super Bowl in year one, 398 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you gotta win a super Bowl. And it 399 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: means you've got to get better every single day. And 400 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: it's got a show and if you don't, then the 401 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: next cruise coming on it. And you know, so the 402 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: detail and urgency are the two things when you don't 403 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: when you're not talking anything excess and knows. Um are 404 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: the two things that stick out so well with him. 405 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: Would you consider that he was demanding of his staff 406 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: because you're talking about detail and expectations totally, you know. 407 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: And it's you know, you if you're gonna hold players accountable, 408 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: you gotta hold obviously the coach is accountable too. You 409 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: gotta hold yourself accountable first and foremost, you know. And um, 410 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: that's something I you know, I try to do all 411 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: the time with the players. You know. One of the 412 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: first things I like to do is show them where 413 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: I made mistakes in a game or in a practice 414 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: or within the plan, you know, because you want to 415 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: show that accountability. And the same thing though, we're gonna 416 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: hold I'm gonna hold myself accountable. So you do that 417 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: from time to time, like you get in there and 418 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: you didn't get the film up there, and that's not 419 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: I mean, that's I've seen my brother do it multiple times, 420 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: seeing Kyle do it multiple I mean, that's just I 421 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: think that's that should be a standard amongst us, where 422 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: it's it doesn't matter who's right, it matters what's right, 423 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, And and like this league is, it's it's 424 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 1: just us. We gotta get this right, fellows. There's no agenda, 425 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: is It's not like college football, It's not like I 426 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: recruit you like, there's no agendas. Like we got to 427 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: just figure out to find a way to put our 428 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: best foot forward and win football games, you know. And 429 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: uh and so, um yeah, that's just that's just like 430 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: I said with Kyle, I mean, just the the urgency 431 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: that he that he makes you feel to get better. Again, 432 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: it's not talking about wins and losses. It's just about 433 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: continuing to get better and being honor stuff. And what 434 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: do you take from your brother from a coaching perspective, Um, well, 435 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: I'll answer it before you even asked the coach, And 436 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: this is from a coaching perspective, is I've never been 437 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: around a guy that works as hard as he does. 438 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: And I mean that, I know it sounds kind of cliche, 439 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: but the two years I was with him at Land, 440 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean that was you know, again going back what 441 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: we were talking about a little bit earlier. I mean, 442 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm seven years younger, so when he went off to college, 443 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: I was in sixth grade, So you know, I have 444 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: seven years I guess at home without him, and then 445 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: we have some overlap when I'm a senior and he's 446 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,239 Speaker 1: a g at Central, so we can hang out all 447 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: the time. And that's when we got really close, is 448 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: when I got a little bit older in high school 449 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: and in college and now all of a sudden, now 450 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm not the little brother as much. Now we're getting 451 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: Now we're getting closer. But I had never really been 452 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: with him on a day to day basis, particularly in 453 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: a work environment. So when I got to UM Atlanta, 454 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: when we're unfortunate enough that Kyle took me in Atlanta, 455 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: dan Quinn hired both myself and and my brother. UM, 456 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,479 Speaker 1: I got to see first you know, firsthand, what kind 457 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: of worker he was, what kind of coach he was, 458 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: And it's if there's twenty five hours in a day, 459 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna find it, you know, and uh, he doesn't stop. 460 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: It's it's incredible. Uh he doesn't blink and he just goes. 461 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: And you know, So I try to say all the time, 462 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: like if I could work as hard as him, that'd 463 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: be unbelievable. I don't know if I can. I don't 464 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: know if I've seen anyone put in the time in 465 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: and just the constant churn in of hours like he does. 466 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: And it's efficient hour. How much did you enjoy it? 467 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: And at the same time, is it difficult working with 468 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: your brother? Yeah, sure, if you asked him right now. 469 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean it particularly that first year. Again, we had 470 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: never we had never been with each other first, you know, 471 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: such a long period of time, particularly in a stressful environment, 472 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 1: particularly in you're one of of a deal. You know. 473 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: Atlanta was a different situation because we got there and 474 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: we had Matt Ryan as our quarterback who had played tenure. 475 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 1: We had Julio Jones, we had Roddy White. You know, 476 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: there was I mean that that team had won a 477 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: lot of games before we had got there. Um, so 478 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: we we started out pretty well. I think we started 479 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: out five and oh and then ended up I want 480 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: to say seven and nine. Uh So there was a 481 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: stretch there where let's just say we went too and nine. 482 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: Maybe it was three and three and eight finish eight 483 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: and I can't totally remember that, but uh, I mean 484 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: it got it got tough in the rigors of the season. 485 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: And again so now it's not only um you know 486 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: from a coaching staff. Now, now you got your brother 487 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: on there, and you got to separate that and realized 488 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: I was a q C. He was a court he 489 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,479 Speaker 1: was my boss, you know, to an extent, Kyle. I mean, 490 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: anyone that's above you, that that's that's your boss. They 491 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: actual he's probably gonna go out of his way not 492 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: to show favoritism to to you. To right, it was 493 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: not gonna show favoritism. It was gonna be a beat 494 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: down before anything else, you know. And uh, so we 495 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: we learned a lot about each other, um, on how 496 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: to work with each other after that first year. And 497 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: uh and then two thousand and sixteen, um talked about 498 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: some things in the off season. Again it was all love. 499 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: It's just it was just new to us. And then 500 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: uh sixteen, Um, what what an incredible ride we had, 501 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: you know with going to the super Bowl and obviously 502 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: coming up a hair short there at the end that 503 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: we all know, but I mean, be able to share 504 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: that experience with Matt and and get to a super 505 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: Bowl amongst other friends obviously Kyle and Mike McDaniel, Bobby 506 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: Turner and stuff like that was was incredible. Do you 507 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: see do you see similarities here? Not personnel perspective, but 508 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: as far as the system on what Robinson incorporating now 509 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: two back in two thousand seventeen is as far as 510 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: what you're doing at the start, yeah, totally. I mean 511 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: it's UM. When we got to San Francisco, we we 512 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: played UH, we played the Niners in sixteen when we 513 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 1: were in Atlanta in December, and that's when we were 514 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: really getting hot in Atlanta. We want our last five 515 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: to get into the playoffs, get the get the UH 516 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: two seed and I get to buy and then ended 517 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: up UM, you know, one seed loss and we got 518 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: to host the NFC Championship. But we played the Niners 519 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: in December and they were they were struggling, and I 520 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: want to say we beat him fourteen. And so when 521 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: Kyle came to he's like, hey, we're going to the Niners, 522 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: was like, what, I just you know, that's that's gonna 523 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: take some time, and he goes, this is It's it's 524 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: a good situation because a UM ownership in that organization 525 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: wants to win and be UH, we can build this 526 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: thing the right way, and we're gonna build it with 527 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: urgency boat. We're gonna build it the right way. And 528 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: so when and you know, it was what it was. 529 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: I was going with Kyle regardless. But when UH Sala 530 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: got the job here. There was no blinking like it 531 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: was like, okay, you've you've been through this, you know exactly. 532 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: There's there's nothing to think about. Does the organization want 533 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: to win? Yes? Does the organization want to do it 534 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: the right way? Yes? Are the right people in place? Yes? 535 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: And that's the way I feel and I still continue 536 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: to feel that way. So that's where the similarities were. Um, 537 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, own, We're going to continue to work urgently 538 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: to get better. 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In addition, and then also, uh, 555 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to ask you about great Nap. 556 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: I know how much personally he meant to everybody, and uh, 557 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: and just you can talk about him as a football coach, 558 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: but also what he brought to the table because I 559 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: know he was gonna be such a valuable piece of 560 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: everything you guys did here. Um, I'll answer your first 561 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: question first, uh, before I get the emotional with Napper. 562 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: But uh, now, um, John Benton was big having the 563 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: four years working with him, Um we we we had 564 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: a good friendship too. We had a good bond with that. Um. 565 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: So it wasn't just a respect from a work standpoint. 566 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: We developed a good freshman friendship off the field too, 567 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: which is not then a'll be all by any means. 568 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: You gotta hire the best staff you know, uh that 569 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: that you possibly can. But he's done it for so 570 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: long in the in this league. Um, he's done it 571 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: successfully at so many different stops. Um, so for for 572 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: us to be able to get him was just an 573 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: absolute just huge higher not only for myself as a 574 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: first time play caller and first time coordinator, uh, but 575 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: uh you know for the players, you know, to be 576 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: able to have a guy with that much knowledge and 577 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: uh and and for a guy that's been able to 578 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: develop players to the level that uh, you know he's 579 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: gotten guys. Um. And the second one was Greg Nap. 580 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know Greg Nap personally. My brother 581 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: kind of did because Greg always would run the quarterback 582 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: drills at the combine and my brother, Um always would 583 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: would work those drills to get up close and personal. 584 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: And anyone that coaches in this league knows who Greg 585 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: Nap is. You just don't know if you knew him personally. UM. 586 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: So I got a call from Raheem Morris when we 587 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: hadn't had a quarterback coach yet, and he's like, and 588 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: Raheem's one of my best buddies in this profession. And 589 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: he was with him Atlanta and he's like, you gotta 590 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: hire a great Nap And it was like, all right, 591 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: you think it's a good He's like Mike, it's an 592 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: incredible fit for you. And plus he he doesn't want 593 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: your job. He doesn't want anyone. He wants to be 594 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: the quarterback coach and he wants to develop quarterbacks. And 595 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: uh so, you know, hearing that from a guy like Raheem, 596 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna trust that. But then I got a call 597 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: from Matt Ryan, and Matt's like, I'm just telling you, 598 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: if I was a twenty three year old rookie or 599 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: a twenty five year old third year player, I can't 600 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: imagine a better quarterback coach than Greg Nap. How he 601 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: is consistent day in and day out. He's gonna bring 602 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: the same positive attitude but yet be able to coach 603 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: you in the way that you need to be coached 604 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: day in and day out. Whether you're winning, whether you're losing, 605 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: You're gonna get the same grade Nap every single day. 606 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: And so when you get just back to back calls 607 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: from Raheem, uh, from from Matt Ryan, Um, and then 608 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: obviously again knowing that my brother knew him as a 609 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: person and stuff, it just was it was a no brainer. 610 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: You know, that took me about five seconds, feel like slide. 611 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: I really would like this one to go down and 612 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: sale and the organization got that done pretty quickly. And 613 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: then Um and then it was just about getting to 614 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: know him and teaching him kind of how our offenses 615 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: evolved in San Francisco and and uh, you know how 616 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: we're teaching the quarterback play. Not that it's too different 617 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: from what he was doing with Matt Ryan and the 618 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: West Coast system, but but there were some difference in nuances. Um. 619 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: So that was a fun process. But the more fun, 620 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: the better part of it was getting to know him 621 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: as a person. I mean, it's such a positive guy, right. 622 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: Everybody who who was around him, for even a man 623 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: in it says he would remember your name. He you 624 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: meet him once to remember your name, He'd always have 625 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: a smile on his face. He'd ask you how you're doing, 626 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: and um, you know, you know, you lose somebody. But 627 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: his presence was just a monstrous presence. It was you 628 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: couldn't have a bad day if you're going to spend 629 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: some time a great nap. It was everything you just said. 630 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: Not only did he know your name, probably knew your 631 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: kid's names too. And it's the truth. And getting to 632 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: know um Greig and that time and in that year 633 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: one is always a special time too, because what stinks 634 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: is you're away from your families as they're moving from 635 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: wherever they have to move, and you know, you're buying 636 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: a house and it's going through all those processes and 637 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: all that. So, yes, that stinks, not being to be 638 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: with your family for the two three months that they're 639 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: not there. But because of that, you get to spend 640 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more time outside of the building, getting 641 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: some dinners with some of your staff, getting to know 642 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: them on a personal level. And I spent probably more 643 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: time with Greg Nap than anyone else on our staff. 644 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: And we just if it wasn't football, we enjoyed going out, 645 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: getting some good food, having a glass of wine or two, 646 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: and then waking up and having some good coffee. Like 647 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: that was the best life that he could have right 648 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: there is just a good dinner, good coffee, and then 649 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: right back to work, you know. And uh, we we 650 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time together here uh in chat 651 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: him and then we actually spent some time out in Napa. 652 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: We had a long weekend and I wanted to go 653 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: back and see my family. He was going back to 654 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: see his lovely wife, Charlotte, and so we were up 655 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: in Napa and him and Charlotte came up and we 656 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: spent a day up in Napa after only knowing him 657 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: for too much, you know, and had an absolute unbelievable 658 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: time there. And um, there was a there was such 659 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: a calmness and at peace when you were with him, 660 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: and you could see it in his eyes at how 661 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: how much he enjoyed just life, you know, and uh, 662 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: he taught us a lot about football, He taught us 663 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: a lot about life. I could go on for hours 664 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: talking about you know, it's uh and and anyone that 665 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: knew him, anyone that saw his celebration of life, Um, 666 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: that could have gone on for twenty four hours. People 667 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: didn't want to get off that stage because they wanted 668 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: to share stories of their time with Greg Nat. Yeah, 669 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: it's difficult to transition off of that. But I know 670 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: what Robert said at the beginning to training camp was 671 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: what he said was, you know, he would want us 672 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: to go on and and carry through with positivity, continue 673 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: to teach and the develop because that's what he was 674 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: all about. With that being said, how much did you 675 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: enjoy the year as a whole? The first time being 676 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator in the National Football It was, Um, 677 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: it was believe it or not. Everything I wanted, you know, 678 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: it's selfishly, I say either, but UM, I I needed 679 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: to get out and challenge myself. You know, I've been 680 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: with Kyle for seven years. UM. When he asked me 681 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: if I was going, it was you know, I just 682 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: felt like it was the right situation, in the right timing, UM, 683 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: being with a guy that I was respect not only 684 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: as a friend and and Robert, but as a worker, 685 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: seeing how he worked with that defense for four years, 686 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: seeing how he was in front of the room. UM, 687 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: it was just a no brainer, you know. And it 688 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: was just it was time for me to to to 689 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: go learn about myself and uh, and and challenge myself 690 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: and put together a staff and then and then get 691 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: to work with these guys, you know. And again that 692 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: the challenge of um coming to a team that that 693 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: you know, hasn't been in the playoffs for for a 694 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: little bit, that that what didn't even go into my 695 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: thought process. I just wanted to go again to an 696 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: organization that was gonna UM, that was committed to winning, 697 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: that wanted to win, and with the right people in place. 698 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: So UM, it was there was definitely there was definitely ups. 699 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: There was definitely downs. UM. I like where our our 700 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: progress went, particularly later in the year. We got a 701 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: long way to go. The first year is always difficult 702 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: because you're setting a standard, you're putting in new stuff. 703 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: We played obviously the most rookies out of any team 704 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: in the league, so you got that challenge on top 705 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: of having a rookie quarterback. Uh. But now, like I 706 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: told the players, the next steps even harder. We gotta 707 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: go get we gotta get better, and we gotta get 708 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: better with urgency. You know, it's not pressing, it's just urgency. 709 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: So um it was. It was awesome. Uh, We've loved 710 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: living in this area. Um it is an awesome place 711 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: to raise a family. And I'm not just saying this, 712 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: but this fan base is they're cool, man. It is 713 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: a cool fan base. Just they're thirsty and you can 714 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: feel it, you know, and uh, you want to do 715 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: it for him, and there's a there's nothing like going 716 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: out that locker room on a Sunday. And you know, 717 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: obviously I was up in the booth for the back 718 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: half the year, but just feeling that energy and going 719 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: into the NFL stadiums and some feel different than others, 720 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: you know. Uh, San Francisco's felt different than New York's. Uh, 721 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: not good or bad, just it's just different. And uh, 722 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: it's a it's it's a cool, cool deal. The Jets 723 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: nation is is awesome, and uh, you know, we want 724 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: to get this thing done. What did you tell Zach 725 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: Wilson at the end of the season, Uh, take a 726 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: deep breath, you know, kind of the same thing I 727 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: did to him, and uh, um, you know, he got 728 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: he got hurt there for the four weeks. Just take 729 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: a deep breath. Sit back. Um, All rookies, whether it 730 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: be the second pick quarterback or the fourth round running back, 731 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: that's a long year. Uh. Not only sixteen games now 732 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: seventeen games, h plus the three preseason games which people 733 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: don't look into the preseason. That's a big deal for 734 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: for rookies. I mean, they're they're they're they're nervous there, 735 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's and if you're not, you're 736 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: cold blooded, I guess you know. But uh, it's it's 737 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: a long year. When you think about you got that season, 738 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: not only that they had a COVID season, uh in 739 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: in twenty and then you got the combine, You've got 740 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: your pro days and then you go straight to rookie 741 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: Mini camp and then you go straight to O T 742 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: A S. And then you have about five weeks and 743 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: then boom you're in from training camp from late July, 744 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: hopefully playing all the way to to mid February, but 745 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: at least till till early January. And it's long and 746 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: um so for him, um, it was just to take 747 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: a deep breath. And does he have the ability to 748 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: do that? Think? I don't think he does. But he 749 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: knows what I'm talking about when I say that everyone's 750 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: gonna some guy's breasts are gonna be longer than others. 751 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: You know. I just didn't want him to to be 752 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: back in Utah by Wednesday already thrown. He just needed 753 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: to just just chill for a little bit, go on 754 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: a trip, like I kept telling, go having experience whatever 755 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: that means for you, you know, just get out and 756 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: then once you're ready to roll, go roll, and uh, 757 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: we know the stuff we need to work on. I 758 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: don't like to talk to the players, uh too much 759 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: about this and that and the other of what you 760 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: need to work on immediately filling the season where everyone 761 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: coaches players, the organization, they're drained by that time, so 762 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: you just, uh, you know, you give them a few 763 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: things you let them know how much you appreciate him 764 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: and love him, and then and then you step back 765 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: as again as coaches. I needed that to and f 766 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: weeks to just clear my mind. And sometimes sitting at 767 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: the beach with your family and just watching them have fun. 768 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: Some of those that's the best ideas that you can 769 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: come up with about how we're gonna help this player 770 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: become a better player, and how we're gonna help this 771 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: offense become a better offense. And so I'm excited to 772 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: get contacted with these guys again. I'll be in constantin tech. 773 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: Was zact. He knows when he needs to work on. Obviously, 774 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: having John back here was huge. Um, you know working 775 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: with them so, um you know it'll it'll be good. 776 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: Well let's end it right here. How cool was it 777 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 1: for you when you guys got into a flow because 778 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: you're watching this from afar like I was, like a 779 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: floor is really in a rhythm right now, and you'll say, 780 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: you know what, you need more plays and back Yeah, 781 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: I mean that played out when you when you had 782 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: more plays, you can open it up, you can do 783 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: more things. But for you as a coach, how much 784 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 1: do you enjoy it when everybody's live when the ball 785 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: is just being distributed all over the place and you 786 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: guys are winning at the line of scrimmage. We saw 787 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: a glimpses of that down the stretch. It's, um, it's football, 788 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: you know. You get to just see it the right way. 789 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: You know. It's just um, it's it's cool, it's and 790 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: it's it's just a testament to to the guys. Like 791 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: it's just you know, everyone has their different why why 792 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: they do it, you know, but one of mine is 793 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 1: being on the share and experience. It's after a game, 794 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: particularly after a win, but even after a loss with 795 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: the with the guys that put so much work into it, 796 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, and so um. You know, as you put 797 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: in a system and you're you're you're teaching coaches, you're 798 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: developing coaches, you're teaching players, you're developing players, and seeing 799 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: it all come together, Um, sometimes not the way you 800 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: want it, but but when it does, uh, and we're 801 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: you know and showing them the picture of what this 802 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: is gonna be when we flip this thing. Um, it's 803 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,919 Speaker 1: pretty cool. And and you know the cool part about 804 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: these guys is they're in the boat. Um. And again, 805 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: now we just we need to go get better. We 806 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: need to continue to get better. We're gonna continue to 807 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: add here, got so much trust and Joe and the 808 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: group upstairs um to to you know, well we're all 809 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: on the same page with this thing. Uh so you know, 810 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: like I said, it's it's urgently working to get better. Well, 811 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: you are unbelievably gracious with your time. Really enjoyed catching 812 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: up and hopefully we can do this again in the future, 813 00:36:53,360 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: no doubt. Thanks Eric for sure. But my own thing 814 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: a fen