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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: Nay Rals Angela Basquez Jirou. Welcome back to Fast Politics. Angelo,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for having me. I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: chat about the horrifying state of affairs. We're you know,

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Speaker 1: so super interesting. Something we had talked about. I think

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Speaker 1: you thought it was my worried notion, but it was actually,

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Speaker 1: believe it or not, something that Robin Marty had told me.

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Speaker 1: Robin Marty, the woman who wrote the post Row Handbook,

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Speaker 1: who works in what was an abortion clinic in Alabama

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Speaker 1: and is now a women's health clinic because they have

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Speaker 1: no abortion in Alabama, which is she wasn't seeing in Alabama,

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Speaker 1: the doctors were stopping treating the highly political condition of

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Speaker 1: being pregnant. Talk to me about what's happening now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think when we first were worried about

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Speaker 1: what exceptions and exemptions to the lawment and what the

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Speaker 1: decision to overturn ROW could mean, a lot of folks

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Speaker 1: were worried about this initial state of chaos and confusion,

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Speaker 1: right because what the law says doesn't always match how

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Speaker 1: medicine works. And that's you know, always been a problem

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Speaker 1: when it comes to aborsion, but especially now. Doctors have

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Speaker 1: that they don't know when they're allowed to do something.

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Speaker 1: They don't know when you know, how close to death

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Speaker 1: my ectopic pregnancy? How close to death do I have

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Speaker 1: to be before I'm allowed to have Miffie pristone? Those

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Speaker 1: things aren't clear. We're asking doctors to take on a

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Speaker 1: having proper abortion care because abortion care. As you've said before,

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Speaker 1: it as we've all said, it is healthcare. It is

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Speaker 1: a critical part of that cycle of your reproductive life.

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Speaker 1: And you can't promise or even attempt a safe pregnancy

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Speaker 1: if you don't have abortion care as part of your practice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it just seems completely crazy we're seeing this

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Speaker 1: you know, there's this failed, kind of naive idea, right

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Speaker 1: outside of marriage. Laws don't apply that way, and neither

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Speaker 1: you know, Robin, most prestiently, these laws, they don't stop

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Speaker 1: And like we knew the answer to this in the seventies,

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Speaker 1: explain to us a little bit about that. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: of two drugs used in the Medication Abortion Protocol. This

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Speaker 1: for it now because political reasons. Right. A part that's

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Speaker 1: so devastating about this and horrifying is that this case

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Speaker 1: four point five million people would be impacted by this decision.

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Speaker 1: That's more than are currently living without abortion access due

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Speaker 1: almost an understatement. But it's impossible, as all of these

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Speaker 1: choice legislation, anti choice activisty. He now is trying to

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Speaker 1: an impact. But if there's one thing, especially folks and

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Speaker 1: it's that there's a first time for everything, and it's

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Speaker 1: serious of effecting them. Well, first of all, I think

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Speaker 1: we have to recognize that the fact that is not

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Speaker 1: working for millions of people is not an accident. It's

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Speaker 1: not the product as my Republican friends would like us

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Speaker 1: to believe, the product of some impersonal forces, the Adam

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Speaker 1: Smith's invisible hand. This is often the result of a

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Speaker 1: very visible hand by very powerful special interests. And to

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Speaker 1: give you just a couple examples, during the pandemic, when

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Speaker 1: we want to double the child tax credit, something I

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Speaker 1: fought hard to ensure, we lifted forty percent of the

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Speaker 1: kids in the country who are in poverty out of Parker.

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Speaker 1: That single step of increasing that single provision of the

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Speaker 1: tax coat had such a demonstrable impact. And that should

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Speaker 1: tell us a couple of things. That should tell us

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Speaker 1: that this isn't rocket science. We don't have to wait

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Speaker 1: to be inspired by some bolt from above. But it

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Speaker 1: also should tell us this is a policy decision we've made.

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Speaker 1: And when Congress allowed that child tax credit increased to

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Speaker 1: expire and millions fell back into poverty, that was also

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Speaker 1: a policy choice. And we've made scores of these choices.

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Speaker 1: When we treat the carried interest of hedge fund managers

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Speaker 1: as a capital gain rather than ordinary income, we're deciding

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Speaker 1: as a policy matter that we should help the most

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Speaker 1: successful do even better, and we let the child taxpread expire,

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Speaker 1: we should let those who are strugg in the most

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Speaker 1: struggle even more. And so it's not just a tax code.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there are a myriad of ways in which

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Speaker 1: the Congress has decided who should win and who should

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Speaker 1: lose in our economy, and the result is the economy

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Speaker 1: that's just not working for millions of people, and we

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Speaker 1: need to change that. I think there are lots of

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Speaker 1: ways we can change that. In terms of the most

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Speaker 1: graphic illustration of an economy that's not working, and that

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Speaker 1: is people living on the street. We need to better

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Speaker 1: identify what's working what's not working. People are generous and compassionate.

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Speaker 1: They want to help people find a place to live

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Speaker 1: and get off the street. But they also want to

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Speaker 1: make sure they're not spending taxpayer dollars on things that

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Speaker 1: don't work. And so I think one of the things

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Speaker 1: that we can do that I would certainly pushed, let's

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Speaker 1: have greater accountability over what's working and what's not invest

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Speaker 1: in the things that can cost effectively move people into housing.

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Speaker 1: My experience as people in comparsion if they want to help,

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Speaker 1: but they also want to know that it's being done

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Speaker 1: in a way that is cost effective. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it seems really like not an easy situation. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: for two seconds about this Trump whatever is coming down

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Speaker 1: the pike, and this will air on Wednesday. So he

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Speaker 1: may already be indicted, he may not be indicted, he

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Speaker 1: may never be indicted. Do you think that Mary Garland

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Speaker 1: waited too long? I do, And I've been a very

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Speaker 1: outspoken and critical of the delay at the Justice Department.

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Speaker 1: And I came out of the Justice Department. I spent

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Speaker 1: almost six years as an assistant US attorney. I have

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Speaker 1: great love and affection for the Department. But for almost

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Speaker 1: a year it appear the department did nothing except focus

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Speaker 1: on those who broke into the Capitol that day and

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Speaker 1: beat police officers. And that works if you're going to

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Speaker 1: roll up people who are sort of foot soldiers on

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Speaker 1: the higher ups, if it's a case involving a single

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Speaker 1: line of effort to overturn the election. But of course

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Speaker 1: there were multiple lines of effort. There was a president

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Speaker 1: on the phone with Georgia, with the Secretary of State

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Speaker 1: trying to grabbe at him into finding eleven thousand, seven

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Speaker 1: hundred eighty votes that don't exist that his own attorney

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Speaker 1: general told them were bs. There were efforts to put

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Speaker 1: pressure on the vice president. There was a whole fake

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Speaker 1: electro plot. Those other matters the Just Department didn't seem

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Speaker 1: to even be looking into until a year after the fact.

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Speaker 1: It is so unusual that a Congress, in the January

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Speaker 1: sixth Committee, which I was so proud to serve on,

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Speaker 1: should be so far ahead of the Justice Department in

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Speaker 1: an investigation. But we were, and as a result, Manhattan

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Speaker 1: appears poised to go forward with charges which, while very

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Speaker 1: serious a campaign fraud scheme is very serious, are not

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Speaker 1: as serious as an attack on our democracy, a violent

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Speaker 1: insurrection incited by a president who wanted to stop the

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Speaker 1: piece transfer of power. If the Justice Department had moved

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Speaker 1: with more swiftness and following the evidence where it led,

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Speaker 1: and it led to Donald Trump. The first prosecution would

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Speaker 1: be by the Justice Department, which has the resources, the wherewithal,

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Speaker 1: and most importantly, the jurisdiction or the most serious potential

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Speaker 1: charges against the former president. We have a situation now

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Speaker 1: where it looks like the state charges are going to

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Speaker 1: come before the DOJ charges, If the DOJ charges come

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Speaker 1: at all. There are a number of problems with that,

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Speaker 1: as you well know, including that the you know, there's

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Speaker 1: the appearance of partisanship because these are elected officials, and

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Speaker 1: also there is a real question over whether or not

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Speaker 1: these state charges. The thinking is that the dug would

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Speaker 1: rather go first. And having waited so long, I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you think that there's a chance here that we'll

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Speaker 1: see accountability or now? I certainly hope to pray that

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Speaker 1: we see accountability, because one thing that we have seen

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Speaker 1: time and time again with Donald Trump is and he's

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Speaker 1: not held accountable, it leads him to commit worse and

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Speaker 1: worse misconduct, abuse and offenses. When he wasn't held accountable

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Speaker 1: for his Russian miss conduct, he engaged in worst miss

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Speaker 1: conduct vias in the Ukraine. When he wasn't held accountable

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Speaker 1: for that, he engaged in even worse miss conduct, leading

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Speaker 1: to a violent attack on the Capitol. If we should

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Speaker 1: have a precedent where a corrupt former president can escape

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Speaker 1: accountability because it would be perceived as too controversial if

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Speaker 1: he were held to justice, then then either he or

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Speaker 1: someone else in the future will do even worse. I

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Speaker 1: understand the concern around New York, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: a much bigger concern from my point of view, is

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Speaker 1: establishing a precedent that a president can be wallless and

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Speaker 1: there's no way to hold them account. You can't hold

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Speaker 1: them to account while they're in office. You can't hold

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Speaker 1: them to account whether or out of office. The Founders

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Speaker 1: would have never subscribed to such a dangerous idea. And

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Speaker 1: so if the Manhattan Grant Jury has probably caused to

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Speaker 1: believe Donald Trump committed a crime, and the District Attorney's

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Speaker 1: office believes it can prove that crime, it not only

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Speaker 1: should go forward, it really must go forward, right, no question. Now,

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Speaker 1: I have one last question for you, because we're almost

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Speaker 1: at a time, explain to us why Gavin Newsom had

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Speaker 1: said originally that he would, you know, put, there hasn't

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Speaker 1: been a black woman in the Senate since our vice president.

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Speaker 1: The Senate has been very white, add very male for

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Speaker 1: a long time. Explain to us why, you know, in

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Speaker 1: my head, I'm really just thinking about it in my head.

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Speaker 1: If I'm voting in this primary, explain to us why

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Speaker 1: the vote should go to you. Yeah. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I think that voters are going to

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Speaker 1: consider issues of race and gender, and I think they

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Speaker 1: should think that diversity is extremely important. And I've been

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Speaker 1: very proud over the last six to eight years as

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Speaker 1: the national Battleground Finance Chair for the Congressional Campaign arm

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Speaker 1: to go around the country and help elect money for

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Speaker 1: campaign for stumped for an incredibly diverse set of candidates

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Speaker 1: for the House and for the Senate. I've been very

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Speaker 1: proud of the work that I've done to do that,

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Speaker 1: and so I think voters are going to consider those issues.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll consider my track record. I also think

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Speaker 1: they'll consider what is the leadership ability of the different candidates,

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Speaker 1: What is their ability to get things done on behalf

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Speaker 1: of the American people, What kind of skills are most

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Speaker 1: in need at a time of such fragility and our

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Speaker 1: democracy and at a time when our economy is simply

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Speaker 1: not working for so many people. And above all, I

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Speaker 1: think the voters have a choice to decide who they

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Speaker 1: think is the best person right now, and I'm making

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Speaker 1: the case why what I offer is the most compelling.

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Speaker 1: But I have great respect for my two colleagues are

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Speaker 1: also running, and I want to do my best to

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Speaker 1: be articulating the case for myself, not the case against anyone.

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Speaker 1: And I think the case for myself is really one

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Speaker 1: based on my leadership ability and the ability to get

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Speaker 1: people gettings done for the people of California, to help

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Speaker 1: attack the problem of homelessness and the unaffordability of housing,

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Speaker 1: to create safe neighborhoods for people and their families, to

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Speaker 1: support the public education, and to make sure that people

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Speaker 1: can access healthcare of the very kind of bread and

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Speaker 1: butter that people are looking to their elected officials to

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Speaker 1: try to address. Thank you, thank you, thank you, great

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Speaker 1: to be with you. Thanks for having me on. Congressman

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Speaker 1: Chris Delusio represents Pennsylvania's seventeenth district. Welcome too Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Delusio, Molly, thanks for having me talk to me

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Speaker 1: about how this train and derailment entered your life. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I represent Western Pennsylvania District. One of the counties represent

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Speaker 1: is Beaver County, and my constituents, my neighbors in Beaver County,

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Speaker 1: they border Ohio, they border East Palestine. People in Darlington

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Speaker 1: Township there were within the evacuation zone. Lots of folks

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Speaker 1: have been upended by Norfolk Southern's derailment. People evacuate out

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Speaker 1: of their homes, a bunch of farms in that area,

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Speaker 1: small businesses nearby impacted and worried about the economic costs

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Speaker 1: for years to come. And so my team and I

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Speaker 1: immediately started working on federal resources for folks on the

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Speaker 1: one hand. But then the other side of this is

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Speaker 1: rail safety legislation. To make sure that these railroads can't

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Speaker 1: just dictate terms. They've got to have some safety rules

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Speaker 1: and requirements coming out of the Congress, I think to

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Speaker 1: really change what they're doing. And listening to the workers

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Speaker 1: in this industry, you've been sounding the alarm. I think

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Speaker 1: for a long time that the railroads have been squeezing

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Speaker 1: them and everybody else, putting profit way above safety. In

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Speaker 1: the communities I represent, who these tracks run right through

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Speaker 1: our neighborhoods, like a lot of folks in this country. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think this is an incredible kind of moment here

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Speaker 1: where we have seen the rail workers from long time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you read any of the reporting you

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Speaker 1: know to twenty eleven, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, you know

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Speaker 1: they're saying, you know, they're cutting corners, they're taking safety risks.

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Speaker 1: If we're going to squarely look at how something like

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Speaker 1: this happens, I mean, I want you to talk to

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Speaker 1: us about it. Seems like you cannot trust these industries

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Speaker 1: to regulate themselves. Absolutely not. And I think the rail

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Speaker 1: industry is a good example. For years, they've been doing

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Speaker 1: everything they can to squeeze every penny of profit out

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Speaker 1: of their operations as they can. Precisions scheduled railroading PSR

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Speaker 1: has been a doctrine. Wall Street loves it. Right. You

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Speaker 1: lengthen the trains, you reduce the staffing, you reduce the inspections,

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Speaker 1: You do everything you can to choose profits. And the

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Speaker 1: people who pay for that are the workers and the

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Speaker 1: communities like the ones I represent. When these trains run

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Speaker 1: through our towns and our neighborhoods, and ultimately and eventually

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately, the rail and you have what happens at

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Speaker 1: East Palestine to my neighbors in Beaver County where there

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Speaker 1: are toxic chemicals released. So this this idea that railroads

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Speaker 1: or any other other industry, if left to their own devices,

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Speaker 1: will just keep us safe. It's it's crap. I don't

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Speaker 1: know where else we need to see you to know that.

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Speaker 1: If we're thinking about the lack of railroad regulation and

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Speaker 1: railroad accidents, imagine what's happening that we can't even see

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Speaker 1: in technology. Yeah, again, you listen to the workers in

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Speaker 1: this industry or others. I sat down with a union

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Speaker 1: carman in my district. There's a rail yard the north

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Speaker 1: from southern owners of my district that I was talking

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Speaker 1: with him about you know, what do you see on

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Speaker 1: the ground, what do you and your co workers experience?

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Speaker 1: And he told a pretty basic story to me about

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Speaker 1: how much time they have to inspect a car. Not

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Speaker 1: that long ago, it was three minutes a car. Years

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Speaker 1: before that, it was as long as something like five minutes.

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00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: They have one minute to inspect each of these cars,

648
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: and the reality is that's not enough time, and so

649
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: they either do a half ass job or they do

650
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: the best they can in a minute or they risk

651
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: losing their job. And again that puts workers in the

652
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: position of not being able to do their job well

653
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: enough to protect us, and it puts all of us

654
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: a risk. And it's the same thing over and over,

655
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: certainly in this industry and with this railroad. Yeah, so

656
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: I want you to explain the landscape. Is Norfolk Southern

657
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: kind of the train company when it comes to hazardous materials?

658
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: Are there others? What percentage of this situation did they

659
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: kind of control? I don't think it's unique to them.

660
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: And given some of the common carriage rules, you know,

661
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: the railroads have to take the materials that come to

662
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: that subject to whatever rules we've got. So it's not

663
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: unique to Norfolk Southern, which means this and likely will

664
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: happen in other places where it's not just that. But

665
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: they're a big player in terms of tracks and their

666
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: footprint in my neck of the woods, in my district.

667
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: I mean, they own bridges, they've got lines, they've got

668
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: a rail yard that runs through my district. So they're

669
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: they're here in western Pennsylvania. And with the consolidation in

670
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: this industry, which again a similar trend across a heck

671
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: of a lot of industries, fewer and fewer of the

672
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: big railroads to deal with, which means they have more

673
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: and more power over all of us, over Washington, over

674
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: their workers. Do you think that it makes sense full

675
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: make buy backs? Stock buybacks harder for companies to be

676
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: able to do, Like, it seems to me like a

677
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: lot of what we're seeing with these consolidations and the

678
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: you know, is there's a real incentive from these companies

679
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: to do stock buybacks and a very little downside. Yeah,

680
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: and look, this country used to treat stock buybacks as

681
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: market manipulation. Right. Norfolk Southern's a good example. You know,

682
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: in the last couple decades, you know, they've cut their

683
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: workforce around a third, and at the same time they've

684
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: pushed out to their shareholders buy backs and dividends forty

685
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: five percent increase with that money, right, So these companies

686
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: are investing and enriching themselves, and they're doing the expense

687
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: of paying their workers and investing in safety. That's again

688
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: not unique to this railroad. It's a problem, and it's

689
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: a problem that isn't going to be changed by changing

690
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: the hearts to make executives less greedy. Right, It's going

691
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: to be changed by changing the rules in the laws.

692
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: I got lesson for us, right, And that's what I

693
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, was the stock buybacks are really

694
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: a case of unregulated financial actions, right. I think so,

695
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: And I think again, we don't. We don't fix this

696
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: just by wishing it to change. We got to have

697
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: concrete action in the Congress, rulemaking in the administration, and

698
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: in concert with each other. Now we get to this

699
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: very exciting bipartisan rail safety bill. Tell us about it. Yeah, look,

700
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm proud to be partnering up with a Republican Nick Loloda,

701
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: fellow Navy guy from New York. We're introducing the Railway

702
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: Safety Act. It's a House companion of the bipartisan Senate

703
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: bill that my Senators Fetterman and Casey introduced with Jade

704
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: Vance and Shared Brown. It shows there is biparts and interest,

705
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: I think, and standing up to this industry and make

706
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: it safer. There's a lot the bill does around safety requirements,

707
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: staffing levels. I mean, look, the railroads have lobbied against

708
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: a two person staffing requirement for these trains. It's crazy.

709
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: It also adds stiffer penalties when they break the rules.

710
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: I mean the penalties now are weak, and I think

711
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: that's an important piece of it. So it does a lot.

712
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: I think it's something we need because these types of

713
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: derailments they're going to continue. I mean, they happen in

714
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: the order of hundreds of them a year. And if

715
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: you'd all change the industry, we'd all change the rules

716
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: around how they operate. They are not going to do

717
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: it themselves. And so I think it's important that we're

718
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: able to do this in a buy partisan way because look,

719
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: I said, in the House Representatives, where the Republicans are

720
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: the majority, if you want to get rail safety reform,

721
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: you got to get some Republicans on board. I'm I'm

722
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: glad Nick's doing this with me. I think we can

723
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: build this out and hopefully get it done. But Republicans,

724
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to play Devil's advocate here

725
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: for a second. Republicans, especially these New York Republicans who

726
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: barely won and many of whom won because Democratic Party

727
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: of New York fucked up. I mean, they have every reason. Again,

728
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: we know Republicans doing again. I'm very partisan, so I

729
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: can say this hate doing any kind of governing, but

730
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: I just want to point out there's no incentive to

731
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: let these railroads get away with it. No, And look,

732
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: if you you know you represent an area where the

733
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: tracks come through. If this happens in your district, or

734
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: this hurts your people, you're going to feel that pressure.

735
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: And you should because one of our basic jobs here

736
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: is to make sure our government can keep people safe.

737
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: You know, the tracks in East Palestine look like a

738
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: heck of a lot like neighborhoods all over, certainly Western Pennsylvania.

739
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: In this country, they run right through people's backyards, they

740
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: run right through town. Yea, this will happen in other

741
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: places if we don't change this industry. It's going to happen,

742
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: and I hope not be worse than this one was.

743
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: And this was pretty bad. So I think you know

744
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: that the incentives for any member, whatever your party are.

745
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: You gotta do something here because this will continue if

746
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: we don't change this industry and make them operate more

747
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: safely and frankly, make them pay more when they screw up.

748
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: So I just want to I want to ask you

749
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: about how is it going over and East Palestine. Look, people,

750
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: and I should be pretty clear about my constituents are

751
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: just on the state line and Darlington Township right across

752
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: from East Palestine. So I want to speak for the

753
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: folks in Ohio, but what I hear from my constituents

754
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: people are mad at the railroad. They are nervous and

755
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: worried about their health, right, their air, their water, their soil.

756
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of farms in that part of Pennsylvania.

757
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: Farmers are worried about crops or cattle or whatever the

758
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: case may be, and whether, if whether one there's going

759
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: to be an issue in terms of health and quality,

760
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: or even if there isn't, whether people aren't going to

761
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: want to buy their stuff because of the stigma. And

762
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 1: that's a real concern, that's a real business impact for farmers,

763
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: for small businesses all over this part of my state

764
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: and certainly in Ohio. And you know, there's not an

765
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: easy answer for how to make everyone whole. But the

766
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: part that I do not stray from is that this

767
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: railroad has to make everybody whole. And there are costs

768
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: well beyond just the obvious ones of well, we had

769
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: to evacuate and pay for a hotel bill. Well, you

770
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: know you're going to have if there are issues around

771
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: water testing, air testing for years to come if there

772
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: are mitigation efforts that are going to take a long time,

773
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: if you have business impacts in your farm or otherwise,

774
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: those are not short term, easy costs. And I don't

775
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: want any world where they're as a railroad like nor

776
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: Frolk Southern it gets to do this and walk away

777
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: and leave folks holding the bag. No way. Yeah that's right,

778
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: and it's incredible. So what's the meat of the spill. Well,

779
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: the meat of this bill is a bunch of things.

780
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: You know, we require that two persons staffing, which is

781
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: really important to know. Secretary boota judge is working at

782
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: Department Transportation. Do that through rulemaking. I want us to

783
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: codify it. You know, it gives the Secretary authority to

784
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: change the requirements. And what is a hazardous material like

785
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: vinyl chloride which wasn't considered EE hazard and thus not

786
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: eye hazard. Flana will train where there are stricter rules

787
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: around speed and breaking. This requires more advanced notification to

788
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: local communities and states. And you've got something hazardus coming through.

789
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: I mean, there are things in here to reduce the risk.

790
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: And these wheel bearing failures, which seems like was was

791
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: what caused the derailment and he's Palestine. Those detectors that

792
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: didn't do their job, and they're more. There are more

793
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: pieces of this, but the piece I want to hold

794
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: in on too. The penalties for violations go up substantially

795
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: under this legislation. You know, they were very weak in

796
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: some cases go up tenfold if not more, depending on

797
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: the size of the business here. So I think that

798
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: has to be part of this, and beyond just you know,

799
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: my bill, things like what the administration did where the

800
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: EPA now has this order holding Norfolk Southern account for

801
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: all the cleanup cost. That has to be part of

802
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: what we're doing, and they're going to be. There's going

803
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: to be and there is private litigation against the railroad,

804
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure. So there has to be a mix of

805
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: not just a week and do in the Congress to

806
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: change the industry, but executive action and private action to

807
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: hold this railroad accountable. Yeah, and the environmental catastrophe here

808
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: seems much larger than what is being sort of cop

809
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: too right now. Well, I think that to me is

810
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: why it's so important that we are doing all of

811
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: the testing and things to understand the scope of the

812
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: problem and what the heck we can do to mitigate

813
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: it for my constituents and for their neighbors and East Palestine.

814
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: You know, this cannot be the railroad cleans up gets

815
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: the tracks going again and issues some you know, small

816
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: checks to people like that's not adequate, right, And you know,

817
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: you if there is contamination and if there are mitigation

818
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: efforts that have to happen for years to come, well,

819
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: you know that's going to affect people's property values for

820
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: a long time. It's going to affect those small businesses

821
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: and farms, and affect people's health for their lifetimes. Right.

822
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: So we can't even begin to understand how we make

823
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: folks whole until we understand exactly what the risks are

824
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: for people. And you know that was why we pushed

825
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: to have not just the EPA, but the CDC there

826
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: to understand if there are things we're picking up. You know,

827
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: folks have reported publicly about symptoms they felled the aftermath,

828
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: so there are you know, there are real risks here.

829
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't want us to ever be

830
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: whitewashing what's happened in the cleanup, because it's it's not

831
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: over and we're in this for the long haul. Yeah.

832
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: One of the things that We had Aaron Brockvitch on

833
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: this podcast and she talked about animals dying. Yeah, that

834
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: even that weekend. I mean, we saw in public reporting

835
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: really quickly a lot of fish right in the waterways.

836
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: Its palastine. And you know, I've talked with farmers out

837
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: there who you know. I thought, the guy who's got cattle,

838
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: he seemed he seemed fine with where his animals work.

839
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: But I come back to, even if that's if there

840
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: isn't anything wrong, you still risk that someone does want

841
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: to buy your beef because coming from this area. But

842
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: I also think you risk if the beef. I mean,

843
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: we don't even know what the tail on the beef

844
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: looks like. Right, they eat the dead fish. I mean

845
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: they obviously don't eat the dead fish, but they drink

846
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: the water, you know, I mean, they just could go anywhere. Right.

847
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: To me, it gets back to there are a lot

848
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: of questions we still have to answer, and that requires

849
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: substantial investment for testing and resources for a long time.

850
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: And that not just that we identify this stuff. Can

851
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: we figure out how to mitigate and help people be

852
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: made whole? And those to me, are not cost the

853
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: public should be bearing. That's this railroad right exactly. I

854
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: mean just incredible stuff. Do you have anything else you

855
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: want to sort of talk about that's happening in your

856
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: district that is will be just super illuminating for listeners

857
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: of fast politics. I would love to And it's a

858
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: little off topic from Real Safe. It's the biggest newspaper

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Speaker 1: in my region, in my district, the Pittsburgh Post. Is

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Speaker 1: that the workers they have been on strike for months.

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Speaker 1: They have gone without pay raises for more than fifteen years,

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Speaker 1: there without healthcare. There's been violence where some workers on

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Speaker 1: the pick and line were sent to the hospital. It's

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Speaker 1: a brutal fight. They've been really basically standing up for

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Speaker 1: dignity on the job in a way that it's sad

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Speaker 1: they got to be out in the pick of mine

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Speaker 1: doing this, but here we are, and so I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to always bring attention to their struggle and make sure

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Speaker 1: folks are paying attention that this is probably happening in

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Speaker 1: a local media landscape and lots of cities and towns

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Speaker 1: around this country where you've seen big papers and big

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Speaker 1: groups buy up small outlets and gut newsrooms and gun

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Speaker 1: print operations and the rest and Phittsburgh Post Becausett's owners

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Speaker 1: have been no different there. Yeah, really important local news

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Speaker 1: is something very near and dear to my heart. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Congressman, thank you for joining us. Yeah, Molly,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. Molly Jung Fast Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 1: Trump slawyers were deceived by him. I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: The sums out of character. ABC News had a big scoop.

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Speaker 1: Special Council claims Trump deliberately misled his attorneys about classified documents.

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Speaker 1: Can I just say I think that the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the problem here is you are a Trump attorney, right,

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Speaker 1: do you like getting paid? I mean you obviously don't

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Speaker 1: because you are a Trump attorney, and also you like criming.

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Speaker 1: So any way, again, this is one of these scoops

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Speaker 1: where it's like, obviously, we're only learning a little bit

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Speaker 1: of the story, right, because if that means that the

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Speaker 1: idea here is that Howell, who's the judge in any

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Speaker 1: sealed filing, ordered that Evan Corcoran, one of Trump's many attorneys,

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Speaker 1: should comply with a grand jury subpoena for testimony on

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Speaker 1: six separate lines of inquiry over which he had previously

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Speaker 1: asserted attorney client privilege. So it sounds like Jack Smith

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Speaker 1: has a number of possible veins that he could take

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Speaker 1: here against Trump again. Trump responded in a very trumpy

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Speaker 1: fashion with lots of all caps. Shame on fake news

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Speaker 1: ABC for broadcasting Capitol illegal capital leaked false allegations from

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Speaker 1: a never Trump now former chief judge. So we'll see

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Speaker 1: how this plays out. Not the purple walk we were

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Speaker 1: expecting on Tuesday, but certainly something makes our moment of fuckoray.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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