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Speaker 2: All right, let's dig into the old mail bag here.

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Speaker 3: All right, This first message is in response to our

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Speaker 3: series on Manta rays. Rob, would you like to take

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Speaker 2: I sure I can do it? This one comes to

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Speaker 2: us from Graham. Graham says, Hi, Joe, Rob and the team.

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Speaker 2: After listening to your Manta ray episode, I had a

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Speaker 2: couple of very quick thoughts for you both. Joe, you

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Speaker 2: tried to recall a film with a glowing manta ray

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Speaker 2: tighte being. Could you have been thinking of the creature

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Speaker 2: in The Abyss? I seem to remember that being ray shaped.

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Speaker 3: Well, Graham, absolutely, that is exactly what I was thinking of.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking of the I think it's sometimes called

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Speaker 3: the NTI, the non terrestrial intelligence in James Cameron's The Abyss.

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Speaker 3: This is, of course the sort of the top shelf

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Speaker 3: of was it nineteen eighty nine, the year of the

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Speaker 3: Underwater movies, where that we also got Leviathan and Deep

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Speaker 3: Star six and like all came out at the same time.

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Speaker 3: But this was like the biggest budget of them and

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Speaker 3: probably the most the most serious minded of them. This

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Speaker 3: was a James Cameron film that I don't know, I

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Speaker 3: think is remembered less than like the Terminator movies and

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Speaker 3: Aliens and some of his other stuff, but it has

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Speaker 3: a lot of virtues. There's good stuff about the Abyss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been meaning to check it out. Last time

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Speaker 2: I really got into nineteen ninety nine underwater films. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it had been released on Blu ray, or

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Speaker 2: And I think it's received a little bit better treatment

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Speaker 3: But yes, Graham, I looked up this image and there

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Speaker 3: is one of the glowing underwater entities is absolutely manta

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Speaker 3: ray shaped. Rob. I put a picture of it here

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Speaker 3: in the outline for you to look at that. That

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's very mantilike. Obviously they're jellyfish shades to

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Speaker 2: it as well. It's illuminated. It's great. I do not

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Speaker 2: really remember it that much though. Anyway. Graham continues and says, Rob,

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Speaker 2: have you tried bog Snorkeling? Could be a fun day

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Speaker 2: out for the family. Images attached all the best Graham

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Speaker 2: from the South Dorset coast in the UK and the

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Speaker 2: and they are of people snorkeling in an English bog,

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Speaker 2: so forth. So I've you know, I've definitely gone swimming

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Speaker 3: We talked about this in another episode, and I think

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Speaker 3: we were a little confused at first, like is this

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Speaker 3: snorkeler here. I don't know what I'm talking about, really,

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Speaker 2: That's my experience, that's the way we do it. And

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Speaker 3: But so yeah, so if you look up bug snorkeling,

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Speaker 3: swimming in a trench cut in a peat bog and

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Speaker 3: rob if I can correct you, I think this is

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Speaker 3: not in England. I think this is in Wales. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: so it's in like there's one main place where I've

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Speaker 3: seen like the multiple videos of this happening. I don't

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Speaker 3: know how more widespread it is. It might be in

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Speaker 3: other places too, but in this like Welsh competition, they've

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Speaker 3: got this trench dug and it's just this gross looking

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Speaker 3: muddy water in the trench and people are snorkeling. They're

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Speaker 3: essentially racing, so that's the answer to like, why would

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Speaker 3: you snorkel in this bog. They're not actually seeing the sites.

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Speaker 3: They're not trying to like glimpse the life at the

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Speaker 3: water is totally opaque. It's a racing activity that seems

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Speaker 3: to be done with some lightheartedness, like it looks like

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Speaker 3: a cheese rolling kind of kind of spirit thing. The

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Speaker 3: people are dressing up in costumes doing interviews beforehand. We

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Speaker 3: it was like the twenty twenty four Bog Snorkeling Chainchampionships,

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Speaker 3: only like half serious as an athletic competition and mostly

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Speaker 2: My family and I recently traveled to Wales. Nobody mentioned

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Speaker 2: to ask about snorkeling in Wales. But when you do

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Speaker 2: a search for Welsh snorkeling, this is the main thing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess the Welsh coast is not known for

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: Now if I look a little deeper, I do see

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Speaker 2: some other things popping up that are not bog related.

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Speaker 2: So I think there is some scuba diving and snorkeling

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Speaker 3: So to answer the question, is this a joke? No,

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Speaker 3: but it's jokey like it is a real thing that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems gleeful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see what we are.

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Speaker 3: This one comes from Michelle. This is a response to

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Speaker 3: a long ago Invention episode on Spoons. I barely remember that.

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Speaker 3: Michelle says, Hi, Robert and Joe, I wanted to say

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Speaker 3: thank you for a probably unanticipated parenting tip from a

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Speaker 3: very old episode many years ago, I think during the

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Speaker 3: Invention days. During an episode on Spoons, Robert mentioned that

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Speaker 3: he has a competition between various items in his dishwasher.

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Speaker 3: I have been listening since the five minute episode days

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Speaker 3: and had and have no idea why this particular tidbit

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Speaker 3: stuck in my mind, but it has proved extremely helpful.

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Speaker 3: My recently turned four year old seems to have moved

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Speaker 3: it's gotten more interested in counting. I remembered the dishwasher

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Speaker 3: competition and have implemented it with my daughter, who will

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Speaker 3: now happily empty the silverware caddy to count forks, knives,

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Speaker 3: and spoons to see who will win. I'm starting to

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Speaker 3: introduce some simple math with it, like how many more

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Speaker 3: spoons than forks. It's not as much of a competition

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Speaker 3: but she still enjoys it. Thank you again for the

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Speaker 3: unintended parenting hack, Michelle rob I barely remember what this

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Speaker 3: is responding to. What's this competition thing?

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Speaker 2: Ah, this is the thing that I used to do it,

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Speaker 2: will think of it as a competition which are there

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Speaker 2: more spoons or more forks or more knives in the dishwasher.

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Speaker 2: Whichever team has the most representation in the dishwasher has won.

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Speaker 2: So it's just the way of sort of keeping tabs

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Speaker 2: as I loove the dishwasher and mildly amuse myself with

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Speaker 2: who's winning. And then if you think deeper about it,

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Speaker 2: the spoons win? What did we have to eat yesterday?

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Speaker 2: What did we have for dinner? Did we have a

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Speaker 2: dessert that required spoons? And so forth. We do use

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Speaker 2: a lot of spoons in our households. So on average,

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Speaker 2: team spoon was the winner, but occasionally you know that

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Speaker 2: the team knives would come out ahead, or even team forks. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you never know exactly what's going to happen in this sport.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it would be boring at our house

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Speaker 3: because it would always be spoons. We just always have

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Speaker 3: more spoons in there.

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Speaker 2: It's just I prefer the spoon. I used the spoon

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Speaker 2: when I should use the fork. But I'm glad that

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Speaker 3: In fact, I would say I probably used chopsticks more

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Speaker 3: than forks. I think my ranking would go spoon, chopsticks fork.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we do use a lot of chopsticks, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sometimes inclined to use chopsticks when some might think

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't. But it I don't know if Team Chopstick

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Speaker 2: to build up a lot of chopsticks. Really, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if we have enough chopsticks to beat Team Spoon. Also,

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Speaker 2: there's a I don't know, you can get really casual

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Speaker 2: and even cavalier whether you use of spoons. At least

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Speaker 2: I find myself doing that. You know, you get a

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Speaker 2: spoon out, single use and then he goes to the dishwasher.

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Speaker 2: You're cooking, you need to taste what you've been cooking,

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Speaker 2: while you just whip out a spoon, use it for tasting,

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Speaker 2: and now you know, I'm not going to double dip,

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Speaker 2: by the time I'm done, it's like that's five spoons

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Speaker 2: just from cooking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Rachel and I were talking about exactly this just

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Speaker 3: the other day, about how like we'll be cooking and

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Speaker 3: But eventually I relented and tried my first skate on

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Speaker 3: conditioned by small hand pushed to Zamboni's to smooth out

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Speaker 3: provoking ruminations. I get a little spike of joy every

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Speaker 3: in the feed, Thanks tailor ps. I think the big

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Speaker 3: In my experience, and I've gone in circles before.

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Speaker 2: And they have the following to share. Personally, I remember

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Speaker 2: that quote was ludicrous. I mean there was that whole

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Speaker 3: Because it would exhaust the body. Wasn't that one of

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and the argument too is I think the

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Speaker 2: and so they're just getting in there and they're working

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Speaker 2: way too hard. If you just remain open longer. Then

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Speaker 3: standing there at the machine like trying to you know,

435
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 3: press the buttons but losing your balance.

436
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Speaker 2: Also, yeah, it's still like that. I've been to a

437
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: number of local Atlanta roller rinks and yeah, there's there's

438
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: still going to be a line of arcade machines over

439
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: on one side of the roller rank.

440
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Speaker 3: The kids can't be bothered to take the skates off

441
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Speaker 3: to play them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there some du some, don't you know.

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00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, But anyway, I thought of that because the violent

444
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 3: delights have violent ends. I mean, there was some real

445
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: violence at my roller skating rinks, but it was of

446
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 3: the sort of cartoon video game variety.

447
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: All Right, what else do we have here, Joe in

448
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: the old mail bag?

449
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Speaker 3: Okay, let's see, I'm going to do this message from

450
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: Bow about phishing emails. And this has been a recurring

451
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: subject on listener Mail since our episodes earlier this year

452
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: on cynicism. The context was we talked in those episodes

453
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: about how I think digital scams like these text message

454
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: and email scams are more damaging than is often realized

455
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 3: because they don't only hurt the people who get scammed

456
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: and lose the money. I think the kind of constant

457
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 3: hum of ongoing scam threats in the background of our

458
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 3: lives undermines general social trust, which is terrible for us

459
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Speaker 3: in so many ways. So that's what we were talking about.

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00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: And then Bo comes in here about these fishing emails. Hi, guys,

461
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 3: after listening to your recent listener Mail episode where you

462
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Speaker 3: touched on the subject of phishing fishing with a pH,

463
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Speaker 3: I have to write you about a couple of experiences.

464
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: A few weeks ago, I received an email from FedEx

465
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 3: stating that I was receiving a reimbursement payment click on

466
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: the link for details. Obviously a phishing attempt, I thought

467
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: and deleted the mail. However, a couple of weeks later

468
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 3: I received a payment from FedEx of about two hundred

469
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: and fifty dollars on my credit card. What but the

470
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: amount did ring a bell. Several months earlier, I had

471
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: helped some colleagues in Greenland with a shipment of some

472
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 3: tires bought in the US for their flying club SESNA.

473
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 3: Shipping from the US to Greenland is expensive, so the

474
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Speaker 3: plan was to send the tires to Canada, where I

475
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: was attending an air Greenland aircraft in for heavy maintenance,

476
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Speaker 3: and then put them on that aircraft when returning Greenland.

477
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 3: Good plan, except there was a hefty customs fee charged

478
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: by FedEx. I did the paperwork and payment not thinking

479
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 3: much more about it. But as the tires were re exported,

480
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: the fee was reimbursed, although it took a long time

481
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 3: and I had forgotten all about it. The moral of

482
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 3: the story is that what looks like a duck and

483
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: quacks like a duck may actually not always be a duck.

484
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: In this case, what clearly looked like a phishing attempt

485
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: was actually legit, but doing nothing did not hurt the situation.

486
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: In any case, do not click on links, log into

487
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: the company page separately, or call you know, Bo. It's funny.

488
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 3: This kind of illustrates exactly what I was talking about

489
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: with the undermining of general trust because of our awareness

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00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: of scams. Like, you see something that kind of looks

491
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 3: like it could be a scam, so you just delete

492
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 3: it and don't think a second thing about it. In

493
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 3: the case, in some cases it actually turns out to

494
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: be a real communication. Though you're right that you know,

495
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: there's not a whole lot that seems to be gained

496
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 3: from like actually clicking links and following through and you know,

497
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: especially not going through a line to enter any information,

498
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: even if it is a real point of contact. You know,

499
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 3: you can go the outside in way that Bo mentions,

500
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: like you go to the company's website and you you know,

501
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: contact them. But Bo goes on to say, the second

502
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: thing is about active training to spot phishing or other

503
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: malware distributed by email. There are plug in apps that

504
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 3: companies can put on their mail server that allow any

505
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: user to report suspected malware by one click on an icon.

506
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: The brilliant thing is that the app sends out simulated

507
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 3: malware mails once in a while. If you spot it

508
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: and report it, you get points and eventually quote batches

509
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: and a ranking within your company. If you click it,

510
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 3: you get a short instruction on how to spot it

511
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: next time. It actually becomes a challenge like a game,

512
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: where you are incentivized to constantly be on the out,

513
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: on the lookout for suspect mails. Hawks Hunt is the

514
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: one I'm familiar with, but there are certainly others out there. Sorry,

515
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: this mail became too long, but a shout out to

516
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: encourage the use of mail training programs would be nice.

517
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: Phishing slash malware is an increasing problem that can be

518
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: devastating for companies, and such apps can help preventing it. Also,

519
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 3: if your company does it, everyone becomes more alert, even

520
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 3: on their private channels of communication. Best regards, BO from Copenhagen, Denmark,

521
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 3: sometimes Greenland and Canada. Well, BO, I assume many listeners

522
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: are having the same thoughts Rob and I are here,

523
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,239
Speaker 3: which is like, oh, yeah, my company does this all

524
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: the time. I don't know if we use a software

525
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: tool like the one you're talking about. But you know,

526
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: people in all kinds of corporate environments are probably constantly

527
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: getting from their local information security officer, getting little tricky

528
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: emails that look like one of these various scam attempts,

529
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: and you know, if you click the link, you'll get

530
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 3: a little gentle like, hey, that's why you know you

531
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 3: shouldn't do this. But they try to train you to

532
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: be suspicious of them, and you know what, that's a

533
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: good thing to do. It certainly is. But at the

534
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 3: same time, it does make me ignore legitimate emails. This

535
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: has happened to me before.

536
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: I mean, basically the whole situation makes me assume all

537
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: email is is a scam of some sort. Unfortunately, as

538
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 2: we've been discussing, it just sort of like breaks down

539
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: your trust. But but yeah, I do agree that these

540
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: training programs are good. I you know, sometimes it might

541
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: make me roll my eyes a little bit, but at

542
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's like I it makes

543
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: me a little sharper that oftentimes will break down the

544
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: the email that they sent afterwards and say like, these

545
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: were the fishy parts. How many of these these these

546
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: these suspect aspects of the email that you pick up on,

547
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: and I think I find that pretty helpful.

548
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: But then it's also hilarious when, like the company actually

549
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: does send you an email from an external address that

550
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: has typos in it and wants you to click a link.

551
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of what BO is referring to here, right, Like,

552
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: eventually an official email email is going to come to

553
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: you that has that is going to light up your

554
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: suspicions one way or another. There'll be something weird about it,

555
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: and it may be legit, but you know, it's kind

556
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: of on them for making it look fishy to begin with.

557
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to a little bit of

558
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: weird house cinema, shall we.

559
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: Sounds great?

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00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: This one comes to us from Ariel Ariel Wrights and

561
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: and says, I'm Ariel he from Argentina, writing to you

562
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: for the second time. The first time you read my

563
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: email on the show, it completely made my year. Stuff

564
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: to Blow Your Mind remains my favorite podcast, especially because

565
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: of your in depth explorations from multiple viewpoints and your

566
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: eloquent ways of expressing complex ideas. I recently finished reading HG.

567
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: Wells classic eighteen ninety five book The Time machine, and

568
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'd love to hear your perspectives,

569
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: especially regarding a particular aspect that caught my attention, the

570
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: method of time travel itself.

571
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: We've talked about this novel multiple times on the show.

572
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't remember exactly all the episodes that's

573
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: come up, but we've done fairly deep dives on it

574
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: in the past. I think we certainly talked about it

575
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: a bit in our Weird House Cinema episode on Time

576
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: after Time, which is a fictionalized version of HG. Well's

577
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: chasing Jack the Ripper through time in a time machine.

578
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: But we've also talked about it in core episodes going

579
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: back many years now. But yeah, this is a book

580
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: I've I read when I was in high school, and

581
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: I remember being very interested in at the time, and

582
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: I come back to it every few years and think

583
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: about it in some new ways.

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00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very readable book. It's quite short as well.

585
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: Sometimes we might be a little suspicious of older books

586
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: and we think they're going to be a little too

587
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: crunchy for easy consumption, but this one goes down rather

588
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: easily and has a lot of thought provoking ideas. And

589
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: some wonderful world building in it. Yeah, anyway, Aeriel continues

590
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: and says, this is the earliest story I've encountered where

591
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: the time traveler literally travels through time, experiencing it like

592
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: a sort of accelerated fast forward, rather than instantly teleporting

593
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: into another era. Often wondered why in teleportation style time travel,

594
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: the traveler doesn't reappear floating in space, given that the

595
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: Earth itself has moved. Wells's method neatly addresses the issue.

596
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: The character remains physically anchored as he moves forward in time,

597
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: akin to tossing a ball straight up into the air

598
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: and catching it on a rapidly moving plane. After finishing

599
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: the book, I began looking into adaptations and learned that

600
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: at least three films have been made based on this story.

601
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: And he's about to list these movies. These are all

602
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: films that we could potentially cover on Weird House Cinema. Obviously,

603
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty film, directed by George Powell, celebrated for

604
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: its visual effects and closeness to the original novel. I

605
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: should also add this film is responsible for giving us

606
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: what we might think of as the iconic cinematic morlocks

607
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: and then there's the nineteen seventy eight television film adaptation

608
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: by Sun Classic Pictures. Not sure I've seen this one myself.

609
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: I haven't either, And then we just referenced this one

610
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: on a recent episode of Weird House. The two thousand

611
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: and two film, directed by Simon Wells, h G. Wells's

612
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: own great grandson, which notably introduces major narrative changes, such

613
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: as a romantic storyline and a different cause of civilization's collapse.

614
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: I think I've only seen the nineteen sixty film, and

615
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: that was a long long time ago, so I basically

616
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: have not seen any of these as an adult.

617
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: I saw the two thousand and two and when it

618
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: came out, and I remember enjoying it. It's it's wild,

619
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: but you get to see Jeremy Irons as an uber Morlock.

620
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: So that's that's worth worth the ticket right there. Hey Yeah,

621
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: So anyway, he continues and says, I decided to watch

622
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty adaptation, but upon viewing the trailer, I

623
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: realized there's only one way for me to truly enjoy

624
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: it as part of a Weird House Cinema episode. Once

625
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: I saw how the Morlocks the monstrous subterranean creatures of

626
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: the future were portrayed. It seemed perfect for a Weird

627
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: House discussion. Thank you once again for your brilliant content.

628
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: I hope you consider covering this fascinating story in It's

629
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: a Aaptation sometime warm regards Ariel Argentina.

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00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: Thank you, Ariel. Yeah, great suggestion. I would be shocked

631
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: if we don't come back to at least one of

632
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: these time machine adaptations at some point.

633
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we need to, so stay tuned, all right.

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00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: This next message comes from Maya. Maya says, Dear Robin Joe,

635
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: since I listened to your episode on La Caabina. The

636
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: original email here said I think Lacaeseta, but I'm positive

637
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: Miamin's Lacabina, the telephone box movie that we covered on

638
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: Weird House, the Spanish film and Lia says, since I

639
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: listened to your episode on Lacabina a few months back,

640
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: I've been meaning to write about El Angel Exterminador The

641
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: Exterminating Angel, a classic by Luis Bouniel filmed in Mexico.

642
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: It explores many of the same themes and has the

643
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: same aura of incomprehensible oppression as Lacabina that I guess

644
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: many Spaniards felt after the Civil War and Franco's regime.

645
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: It has many levels of weirdness that you might enjoy also,

646
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: and just for your eyes, since I don't think it

647
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: was ever dubbed, I recommend the short La Puerta The Door,

648
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: also by Bouniell. It has a transcript that I guess

649
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Speaker 3: can be translated, but in the end it can be

650
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: understood even without it. Perhaps you find it entertaining. Many

651
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: other bouniel films have the same weird texture to them,

652
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: for instance, Unpero and de Luz an Andalusian Dog. I'm

653
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: sure that's come up on the show before. He and

654
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 3: other Spanish refugees represent another side of Mexico's golden age

655
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: of cinema, more serious perhaps, but not totally devoid of

656
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: alien Fem's fatale best maya.

657
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is this is interesting that that this

658
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: listener should bring up The Exterminating Angel. I've never seen it,

659
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: but it's it's been, always been. It's been on my

660
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: radar for a while because in a supporting role. It

661
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: does feature Claudio Brook, who continues to be I think

662
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: one of my favorite Mexican actors.

663
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this has been on my list to check out

664
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: for a while. I I haven't seen it yet either,

665
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: though I had the classic experience of my freshman year

666
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 3: of college was when I saw I learned it as

667
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: in chin Andalou, the French name I guess the Andalusian dog.

668
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: The film Bouniel I think, made with Salvador Dali, is

669
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: that right where they There are many famous shots in it.

670
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: The most famous is the cutting open of the eyeball

671
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: where they substitute in. I think it was actually like

672
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: a sheep's eyeball that they slice open. You see the

673
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: jelly come out, so it's like one of the original

674
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: Gore films. But also has I remember just being very

675
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: interesting in a lot of ways.

676
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: It is often that clip is often featured in any

677
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: content that's talking about sort of like the power of cinema.

678
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 2: So I've seen that clip multiple times without ever having

679
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 2: actually watched the original production.

680
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, absolutely. Once again, thank you for the recommendation, Maya,

681
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: and thanks for writing in.

682
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 2: All right, here's another one. This one comes to us

683
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: from a listener by the name of Chuck. Chuck says, Hello,

684
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: Robin Joe. I have written in before, but again I

685
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: wanted to say that the amount of care and attention

686
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 2: to detail to the subject matter you bring to each

687
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 2: episode or series of episodes is impressive. You have trained

688
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: me quite well to reserve my judgment on topics where

689
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: I initially think I will have little interest, because you

690
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: always managed to bring up interesting facets or divergent conversation

691
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: threads that end up making excellent party conversation starters. So

692
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: thanks for what you do. It is appreciated. However, I

693
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: am writing today about several Weird House Cinema episodes and

694
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: I was curious to know your thoughts. Most importantly, though

695
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: it is quite late to say at this point, and

696
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: I add it's never too late write in any episodes. One,

697
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: but thank you for covering a John Carpenter directed film,

698
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: Prince of Darkness. I am old enough to remember the

699
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 2: newspaper movie ads for it, and despite the poster really

700
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: having so little to do with the actual content of

701
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: the film, it definitely hyped my interest. My friends and

702
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: I all went to see the movie on opening weekend.

703
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: We were not yet seventeen, but my friend's mother, who

704
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: thought the movie was a Christian film about avoiding the

705
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: temptations of the devil and that the R rating was

706
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: due to a graphic depiction of the Crucifixion, bought our

707
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: tickets and dropped us off at the theater.

708
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Speaker 3: Wow, that is a switcheroo.

709
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I do have questions about the train of

710
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: thought that led to that specific interpretation or the misinformation

711
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: that led her towards that. But at the same time,

712
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: I mean, when you have promotionary promotional material for films,

713
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: especially without access to IMDb in the old days, you know,

714
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: you ended up building these narratives out about what this

715
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: film was, what its values were, and what kind of

716
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: experience it would be. So, I mean I did that

717
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: all the time.

718
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: But the mom bought them all tickets, thinking she was

719
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 3: sending them in to see like an R rated left Behind.

720
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I know plenty of I've heard I

721
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: think I mentioned this in our RoboCop episode. You know,

722
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: I know plenty of people whose moms were like, oh, yeah, RoboCop.

723
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: This sounds like it's the kid's movie. Here, you go,

724
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: rented it four years you kids, just watch it tonight,

725
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: you know, without even without looking deeper and just thinking like,

726
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: it's a film about it's called RoboCop. How could that

727
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: not be appropriate for children? All Right? I'll continue with

728
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: Chuck se okay okay. Chuck says, anyway, we love the

729
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: film with all its weird mix of sci fi and horror.

730
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 2: The science concepts went over our heads, but we loved

731
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: the cast and sprinkled humor throughout. The final shot of

732
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: the protagonist reaching out to touch the mirror and maybe

733
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 2: about to really be able to reach through it, before

734
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: the scene cutting to black sent a loud gas through

735
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: the theater. As we walked home from the theater back

736
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: to our subdivision, we passed by a small man made pond.

737
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: The night was windless, so the surface was you guessed it,

738
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: like a mirror. We wondered how big the anti god

739
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: of the film really was. Did the entity need a

740
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: mirror surface this large to actually come through or was

741
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: the entity going to come through the wall mirror like

742
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: toothpaste from a tube. After all, the initial attempt with

743
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 2: the makeup mirror was unsuccessful for being too small a portal,

744
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: and did the entity need a mirror or just a

745
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: mirror surface? But we were all wigged out by that

746
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: pond and by bathroom mirrors for a long while after

747
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: we saw Prince of Darkness, and for many years afterwards,

748
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: and many subsequent viewings. One of our in jokes is

749
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: to refer to people we've met by saying that was

750
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: Susan who radiologists classes. I totally, I totally get all

751
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: of these these thoughts about the mirrors. I love mirror

752
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: based speculative fiction, horror, sci fi, and I I guess

753
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: most of its horror and supernatural because, as I think

754
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 2: we've discussed in the show before, it like digs into

755
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: some basic human inabilities to understand mirrors at times, and

756
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: when I watched something like Prince of Darkness or Oculus,

757
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: or I read say Stephen King's The Reaper's Image or

758
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: something like that, it does kind of mess with my

759
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: perceptions of mirrors for a while. And I may even

760
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: think things like these mirrors we have today are irresponsibly large.

761
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: Who knows what could crawl through? Borges being another, and

762
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 2: he has some wonderful works about mirrors.

763
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: The mirrors are somewhat potent for me as a horror

764
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: image for all of those reasons. Certainly, I mean, yeah,

765
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: like the counterintuitive aspects of a mirror that you look

766
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: in them all the time so you think you fully

767
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: understand them. But as we've talked about on the show,

768
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: like people actually intuitively incorrectly predict how mirrors work and

769
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 3: kind of unfamiliar scenarios, like they misunderstand how the light

770
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: reflects on them and how the angles work and everything.

771
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: So there is definitely all that. But also when I

772
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 3: was a kid, when I was like in elementary school,

773
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: I went through a mirror phobia phase. I think this

774
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: was started by a kid at like a summer camp

775
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 3: telling me about the Bloody Mary Party game, and I

776
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: got freaked out, Like I was scared of that for

777
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 3: a while. I don't still have any of that fear,

778
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: but I think the mirror retains some horror potent, see,

779
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: because I can kind of remember that.

780
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm not going to ask you to say

781
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: your name two more times, so don't bring all right,

782
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: Chuck continues and says, I also wanted to add a

783
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: short comment and a brief board game suggestion based on

784
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: your coverage and discussion of Akira Krissawa's Dreams. Specifically, you

785
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: said that one of the film's main themes is respect

786
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 2: for and attunement to nature through contemplation, meditation, and joy.

787
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: This theme seems to be all throughout Nyazaki's work as well,

788
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: so I am curious how much influence came from that

789
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: or if that was the general vibe in Japan at

790
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: the time of production.

791
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if you'd say it was the general

792
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: vibe in Japan, but I would say that environmentalism and

793
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 3: ecological consciousness is a popular theme with many artists in

794
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 3: filmmakers in twentieth century Japan.

795
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have seen interviews with Nyazaki where he

796
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 2: does refer fondly to Kurasawa's work and praises Kurisawa's work,

797
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: so there's some connection there as well. Yeah, Chuck continues.

798
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: Also because the game is amazing and follows the theme

799
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: of respect for and attunement to nature as well, I

800
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: heartily recommend earth Born Rangers by Earthborn Games, now in

801
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: its second printing. Earthborn Rangers is an open world adventure

802
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: card set I guess a card games set in a

803
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: post post apocalyptic Earth of the far future. Players take

804
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: on the role of rangers who patrol a valley and

805
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: encounter strange plants, animals, and eclectic people, artifacts and settlements.

806
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: The game's environment interacts with itself in very interesting ways

807
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,959
Speaker 2: as the players explore. Additionally, all the art is highly

808
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: reminiscent of Studio Ghibli films. Now, I have no stake

809
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 2: in Earthborn Rangers. I'm just a player, but I can't

810
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: say enough good things about it. Between the art, the

811
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: sci fi theme, and the way the game sticks with

812
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: you after you play, It's like being in your own

813
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: Miazaki film. My eleven year old loves it as much

814
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: as I do. As a bonus, the entire game is

815
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: sustainably produced. Thanks again for your time and your work

816
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: since early Chuck, Well.

817
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: Thank you, Chuck. I never heard of this game, but

818
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: it sounds interesting.

819
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 2: All right. I'm just good. I had never heard of

820
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: this game either. I'm pulling it up here. I'm just

821
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: scanning some of the art in Yeah, I'm getting getting

822
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: a kind of relaxed Miyazaki inspired vibe, you know, from

823
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: all of this, So I'm gonna have to check it out.

824
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 2: We're always looking for good games in this household.

825
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll keep this in mind as well. On the

826
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: subject of Miyazaki Robot, I don't know if I told

827
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: you this yet, but just the past couple of weeks,

828
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: we showed my daughter Kiki's delivery service and it was

829
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 3: a big hit, and so she's she's riding her broom

830
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 3: around the house right now, she's a witch.

831
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome. You know, my kiddo was really into

832
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: two Kiki, maybe around the same age. Now refresh my memory.

833
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: Your kids watched Totoro already, right?

834
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 3: Yes, basically the only two full movies she's seen are

835
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: My Neighbor Totoro and Kiki's Delivery Service. And she's watched

836
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 3: part of Rock and Roll Wolf.

837
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, just speaking for me as Acui films, I think,

838
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: in my opinion, those are definitely the two to start

839
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: with and from there, I don't know. We switched on

840
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: to nausicaa pretty early, just because I love it so much,

841
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: and I felt like every kid's different obviously, but I

842
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: felt like mine could handle it.

843
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: But I can't wait to show Nausica to her though

844
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 3: I know it's that one's got some scary stuff in it.

845
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: I think I need to wait till she's a bit older.

846
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: Pontio was another one that we watched pretty early, but

847
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: like with all of these, they touched on some serious elements,

848
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: and you know, every kid's different. Again. When we showed

849
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 2: Ponio to our kid, initially they were not into Ponto's

850
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: father at all. Who's voiced by Liam Neeson in the

851
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: Dutch version. They were like, he's way too serious, He's

852
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 2: way too serious.

853
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I never get tired of the Small Child as

854
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: movie critic routine. I mean, I'm interested in their opinions.

855
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but back to Keiki, Yeah it's terrific. I love

856
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: the dub and just love the film.

857
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, just beautiful.

858
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: So good. All right, let's see what do we else

859
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: do we have? Looks like we have just a couple

860
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: of quick emails where people are pleading with us to

861
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: cover certain pictures. Do you want to take one of

862
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: these and then I'll take the other? Oh? Sure?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So the first short one is from Louisa. Luisa says, Hi, guys,

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Speaker 3: as always, you are my favorite company for my chore

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Speaker 3: doing time, both your Core episodes and Weird House. I

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Speaker 3: recently came across this movie and immediately thought of you

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Speaker 3: two Colossus the Forbin Project. I didn't write the year,

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Speaker 3: but I think this was from nineteen seventy if I

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Speaker 3: remember correctly, Luisa says, let me know if you've watched

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Speaker 3: it already. Lots of love. Well, Louisa, thank you for

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Speaker 3: the recommendation. This is already on my list, and I

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Speaker 3: do hope to get around to it sometime. Though it

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Speaker 3: is about a I think a giant killer artificial intelligence

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Speaker 3: or supercomputer, which is a subject that I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Just a few years ago I thought was a lot

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Speaker 3: more fun and feel good, And now that's the subject

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Speaker 3: to that genuinely kind of freaks me out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So maybe that means it's it's the

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Speaker 2: wrong time or it's the absolutely the right time to

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Speaker 2: discuss Colusus the Foreman Project. It's not one that I've seen,

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Speaker 2: but I've long been familiar with it. I would I

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Speaker 2: could be misremembering here, but what I want to say

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Speaker 2: that Joel Hodgson of m ST three K was a

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Speaker 2: fan of this film, though you know, I don't think

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Speaker 2: it was ever rifted or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: Well, either way, it is on the list and I

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Speaker 3: hope to check it out sometime in the near future.

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Speaker 2: All right, And then Aaron writes it and says, this

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Speaker 2: may be a type of and I'm going to read

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Speaker 2: it as written. Hell Robin, Joe Poulder, guys, please pretty

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Speaker 2: please do Poulter, guys. Thanks warm regards, Aaron.

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Speaker 3: The regards have got to be warm. They're coming from Hell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we we've referenced Polder Guys before. I have a

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Speaker 2: lot of thoughts about Poulder Guy. I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I have a lot of thoughts about Polar Guys.

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Speaker 2: But it was perhaps the film that scared me the

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Speaker 2: most as a child. Somehow I was able to watch

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Speaker 2: part of polter Geist as a child, like on a

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Speaker 2: VHS tape, and it just really wigged me out, and

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Speaker 2: I've gone. I was resistant to returning to it for

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Speaker 2: a long time. Then I rewatched it and I found

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Speaker 2: a lot to love about it. Some of the effects

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Speaker 2: didn't hold quite as well, but some of the effects

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Speaker 2: are amazing. There's we could easily do a Poltergeist episode

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Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, even if we did, like there's Polder

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Speaker 2: Geist is. I feel like it's a film that is

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Speaker 2: sometimes overshadowed by various stories about its production and speculation

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Speaker 2: of like, oh, did Toby Hooper direct it? Or did

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Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg secretly directed and so forth? And I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I feel like if we would have to acknowledge that discussion,

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Speaker 2: but I think we would probably focus more on the

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Speaker 2: picture itself and all the amazing, weird and sometimes stupid

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Speaker 2: things that happen in that movie.

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Speaker 3: I think we've briefly talked about the kind of roller

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Speaker 3: coaster tone that some elements of it or are more

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Speaker 3: like a have more of that Spielberghia kind of the

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Speaker 3: family focused, a little bit more family friendly of a story,

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Speaker 3: even if it gets a little scary. And then you've

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Speaker 3: got these little stabbing moments like the face melting in

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Speaker 3: the mirror scene that I just feel like they're from

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Speaker 3: something else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then oh like just like the weird

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Speaker 2: white dragon from the other side, and then the little

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Speaker 2: girl getting stuck into television. There's so many, so many

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Speaker 2: things in that that that really did creep me out

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Speaker 2: as a kid. And you know, when you're a kid,

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Speaker 2: you're I don't know, you're you're more susceptible to some

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Speaker 2: of these things and gets in your gets in your mind,

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Speaker 2: it embeds itself. And yeah, so Poultry Guys has has

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Speaker 2: a special place in my heart for being weirdly traumatized.

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Speaker 2: All Right, We're gonna go and close up the mail

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Speaker 2: bag for now, but keep it coming right in about

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Speaker 2: anything we discussed in this episode, anything we've covered in

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Speaker 2: recent episodes of stuff to blow your Mind, short form episodes,

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Speaker 2: and certainly Weird howse Cinema right in We would love

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Speaker 2: to hear from you. Just a reminder that Stuff to

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Speaker 2: Blow Your Mind is primarily a science and culture podcast,

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Speaker 2: with core episodes on Tuesdays and Thursdays, short form episodes

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Speaker 2: on Wednesdays and on Fridays. We set aside most serious

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Speaker 2: concerns to just talk about a weird film on Weird

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Speaker 2: House Cinema.

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Speaker 3: Huge thanks as always to our excellent audio producer JJ Posway.

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