Speaker 1: Welcome in friends to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy
Speaker 1: Football Podcast Week thirteen ranks for our quarterbacks and our
Speaker 1: tight ends, the streaming positions they've essentially become. If you've
Speaker 1: got a great one, good for you, but you are
Speaker 1: one of the few that have them, so there's a
Speaker 1: lot of streaming that happens in here. I'm joined by
Speaker 1: Pat fitz Morris and Scott Pianowski. As we are going
Speaker 1: through a week thirteen ranks, you can check out more
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Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, let's jump into our quarterback ranks for
Speaker 1: the week.
Speaker 2: The top twelve.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts at Baltimore Josh Allen in this potential snowy
Speaker 1: game against the San Francisco forty nine ers. Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes, Jayden Daniels, Baker Mayfield at seven,
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, C J. Stroud, Bonicks, Kyler Murray, and Jared Goff.
Speaker 1: That's what your top twelve like looks like. Pat, let
Speaker 1: me ask you something when you look at this top twelve.
Speaker 1: Is this trustworthy? Is this a core that you don't
Speaker 1: think like there's no questions surrounded about this that you're
Speaker 1: going to jump a streamer in here? Or do you
Speaker 1: think there's a line between the level of trust at quarterback?
Speaker 1: Because I kind of see a place I think you
Speaker 1: might pick where do you think the line starts of
Speaker 1: these guys are no brainers, and then these guys might
Speaker 1: start to play matchup streaming In the top twelve quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: I think the matchup conversation starts after Bonnix at QB nine.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was gonna say, I thought, well, because Stroud
Speaker 1: is here at nine and bo Nix is actually at ten,
Speaker 1: so at least on this big board, I was curious
Speaker 1: if Stroud was going to be the start of the line.
Speaker 3: I've got those two flipped Stroud in the even in
Speaker 3: the good matchup. I mean, like, nothing thing about Stroud
Speaker 3: reassures me because that offensive line has been so terrible
Speaker 3: at protecting him.
Speaker 1: Scott Stroud, though, has Jacksonville. It's a phenomenal matchup. We
Speaker 1: talked about in the Wide Receiver Rank show. Nico Collins
Speaker 1: is ranked is the number one wide receiver this week.
Speaker 1: Stroud is getting a boost than he usually does. He's
Speaker 1: usually not in this conversation anymore. And frankly, when you
Speaker 1: watch him, he looks so indecisive. He is so frustrated
Speaker 1: with himself. He is not making the good throws. Do
Speaker 1: you think that's the conversation of whether you have Nicks
Speaker 1: above and then at Stroud? Do you think Stroud is
Speaker 1: the start of the conversation of oh, we might be
Speaker 1: open to streaming here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's not an automatic starter for me. I love
Speaker 2: Nico Collins, I would never consider him the number one
Speaker 2: receiver on the board this week because they can't pass block.
Speaker 2: I think I think Stroud's pocket awareness and just confidence
Speaker 2: and presence in the pocket have struggled. When you don't
Speaker 2: trust your offensive line, it just seeps into your play.
Speaker 2: And also when they get to the goal line. Man,
Speaker 2: it is Joe Mixon time. They're not throwing a bushel
Speaker 2: of short touchdown. I don't think Dalton Show has a
Speaker 2: touchdown this season. Tank Dell's had a disappointing season, so
Speaker 2: I don't Stroud is not automatic played by any means.
Speaker 2: I'm worried. That a question we always ask of quarterbacks
Speaker 2: when they're big favorites. It's like, Okay, it's great, the
Speaker 2: matchup looks really nice. Are they going to throw twenty
Speaker 2: three passes? And I think this is going to be
Speaker 2: one of those games for Tennessee where they try to
Speaker 2: protect their quarterback. They try to massage their offensive line
Speaker 2: and work around it. And if you Nico Collins is great,
Speaker 2: he's gonna get seven or eight targets, He's not going
Speaker 2: to get thirteen to fifteen targets ever in this game
Speaker 2: because Jacksonville's just not going to fight back enough. I
Speaker 2: don't trust the offensive line I think Stroud has. I
Speaker 2: can't believe I'm saying this because I love CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 2: He'll be fine long term. But just think of what
Speaker 2: we thought the gap was between Stroud and Bryce Young
Speaker 2: before the season, and then go month in where Bryce
Speaker 2: Young get benched. He was so horrible and since then Stroud,
Speaker 2: you know, hasn't played well. Young has played better. It's
Speaker 2: just funny. I'm not saying by any means that I
Speaker 2: prefer Young to Stroud, but we thought Young was a
Speaker 2: lost cause. Was like, man, is he even ever going
Speaker 2: to be an NFL starter again? To give him up
Speaker 2: for late pick and at least he looks competent now.
Speaker 2: And I'm shocked at how much CJ. Stroud has struggled
Speaker 2: the second year in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And it's really disappointing too, and didn't help losing Diggs
Speaker 1: and having those three great wide receivers, and maybe that
Speaker 1: was masking when he had all three of those guys,
Speaker 1: it was masking something bigger that's now in our face.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about a couple quarterbacks that could potentially be streamers. Pat,
Speaker 1: Let's start with you, mister Matthew Stafford QB sixteen on
Speaker 1: the board. You guys both have him a tiny bit higher. Fitch,
Speaker 1: you've got him at fourteen. How viable do you think
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford is as a streaming option compared to you know,
Speaker 1: like even comparing it up to Kyler Murray, who's at eleven,
Speaker 1: who's got a pretty tough matchup against Minnesota. Jared Goff
Speaker 1: has got the Bears. You think Stafford is in that group?
Speaker 3: I do, and I always feel good about him when
Speaker 3: he's got Pooka Nikoua and Cooper Copp healthy, and those
Speaker 3: guys have been healthy for the last five games. And
Speaker 3: in those five games, Stafford's weekly fantasy finishes are QB five,
Speaker 3: QB thirteen, QB twenty, QB five eight so one one
Speaker 3: pop out and a lot of singles and doubles. So
Speaker 3: matchup against the Saints is not one to be feared.
Speaker 3: I would feel quite confident starting Stafford this week.
Speaker 1: It's got a you comfortable getting him in in like
Speaker 1: a streaming position. Let's say someone asked you the question,
Speaker 1: would you rather Kyler Murray against Minnesota or Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: against New Orleans?
Speaker 2: It kind of comes down to what do you man?
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray is somebody I feel like it's impossible to
Speaker 2: project these days. I maybe it's more of my personality.
Speaker 2: I like things that are consistent, and since everybody got
Speaker 2: back with the Rams, Matthew Stafford is like two fifty
Speaker 2: and two is his four. Yeah, and in a year,
Speaker 2: in a year where the running games have made a comeback,
Speaker 2: I realized maybe two fifteen two wasn't the sweetest thing
Speaker 2: to sell a few years ago. It sounds pretty good
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. I think you'll get too fifty
Speaker 2: and two. I think you could easily get three hundred
Speaker 2: and three. So Matthew Stafford is somebody I've moved him
Speaker 2: up to. He's just outside the top ten right now.
Speaker 2: I think he's an easy play, not just in super Flex,
Speaker 2: but I think he's You could be a quarterback one starter,
Speaker 2: and if you're not trusting Stroud, if you're not, because
Speaker 2: Stafford might have been on waipers in a few leagues,
Speaker 2: people want to pick them up. And I feel confident
Speaker 2: I'm going to start Matthew Stafford proactively against the Saints.
Speaker 1: Another streaming quarterback. Potentially it could be Russell Wilson ECR seventeen,
Speaker 1: and you guys are a little bit flipped on him.
Speaker 1: He's got the Bengals this week. Scott, you are the
Speaker 1: high man at least as current as I'm seeing at
Speaker 1: sixteen fit you've gotten done at nineteen, Scott. Let's get
Speaker 1: any positive takes on Russell Wilson in this Cincinnati matchup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not comfortable being the high person because Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: is just their an identity team. They don't care about
Speaker 2: the matchup. We saw this a few weeks ago. Hey,
Speaker 2: Baltimore Secondary is horrible, and Pittsburgh said, no problem, We'll
Speaker 2: just play the same eighteen sixteen game we always play
Speaker 2: against the Ravens. This is crazy. That game is a
Speaker 2: replay and somehow the Steelers find a way to win it.
Speaker 2: Of course, they lose the next week against the Browns
Speaker 2: as a favorite, which is kind of part of the
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh m as well. I know the Bengals are screaming
Speaker 2: to get into a pinball game and let's play a
Speaker 2: shootout and let's you know, Russell Wilson's going to throw
Speaker 2: twenty seven passes. Don't trick yourself. And he's not a
Speaker 2: runner anymore. Proactively, he's had very little goal line equity.
Speaker 2: He's going to run for eight or ten or twelve
Speaker 2: yards or something like that. So I think, not only
Speaker 2: am I not eager to play Wilson, but I think
Speaker 2: I'm going to lower his ranking after this show.
Speaker 1: FITZI, what do you think? Are you kind of agreeing
Speaker 1: with some of those questions about Russell Wilson. We just
Speaker 1: want to see him get back to slinging the ball
Speaker 1: and that would create some of that fantasy value. But
Speaker 1: I feel like anytime we get up on Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: oh we're gonna end boom, it just kind of falls
Speaker 1: back down. He's one of the I hate those fantasy
Speaker 1: players where you're always chasing and you always make the
Speaker 1: wrong decision, and those are players I tend to really
Speaker 1: want to move away from where it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I know I'm always going to sit him when he
Speaker 1: goes off, and I'm going to play him coming off
Speaker 1: of a big performance or a perceivable great matchup, and
Speaker 1: it's going to be a dud. Is that there's something
Speaker 1: in that with Russell Wilson for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Scott framed this perfectly. Like I won't say Ross
Speaker 3: is totally matchup proof, but he is very matchup resistant
Speaker 3: simply because of what was Scott. What Scott was saying
Speaker 3: about Pittsburgh just wanting to do what they do and
Speaker 3: run the ball. And they're going to run the ball
Speaker 3: whether they're going against a run funnel or a pass
Speaker 3: funnel defense. And you know you can thrown the Bengals.
Speaker 3: They're twenty seventh in DVA against the pass. They've given
Speaker 3: up the third most fantasy points two quarterbacks. Any game
Speaker 3: involving the Bengals has shoot up potential, But Ross has
Speaker 3: fewer than thirty pass attempts in four of his five starts.
Speaker 3: The Steelers have run the ball on fifty two point
Speaker 3: three percent of their offensive snaps this season. And you know,
Speaker 3: even though George Pickens is a baller, or at least
Speaker 3: when he wants to be, this is probably a bottom
Speaker 3: five team in terms of the quality.
Speaker 2: Of their pass catchers.
Speaker 3: So I just I've been pretty consistently behind ECR on Ross,
Speaker 3: and I think that's where I want to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, take note that Pittsburgh easily is dead last and
Speaker 2: pass right over expected, and green Bay actually is second
Speaker 2: to last. So Jordan Love was one of my most
Speaker 2: rostered players before the season, and that feels like a
Speaker 2: wrong call to Chiefs. Teams that do what they do
Speaker 2: and nothing is getting Arthur Smith talk about a guy
Speaker 2: who's stubborn, right, that doesn't matter what you present to him.
Speaker 2: I'm sure other coaches saying, hey man, we can really
Speaker 2: take downfield shots it's like, okay, we'll take two of them.
Speaker 2: You know they're not going to throw thirty passes.
Speaker 1: One last thing I want to ask probably should ask
Speaker 1: us right when we were getting into this, is if
Speaker 1: Rock Party is active this week, is he looking more
Speaker 1: like a streamer or is he a top twelve? You
Speaker 1: don't think give me exact, but if we do get
Speaker 1: word that he's going to be active fits where do
Speaker 1: you think the range we see? Josh Allen comes in
Speaker 1: at number two pretty much unaffected no weather, and we've
Speaker 1: talked about this in previous episodes. Not letting weather make
Speaker 1: two massive massive effects of your personal ranks. If Rock
Speaker 1: Purty is active, where do you think you would slot
Speaker 1: him in here?
Speaker 3: Well? With the weather forecast, I mean he'd probably be
Speaker 3: down in Russell Wilsonville, to be honest with you, like
Speaker 3: mid range to low end QB two.
Speaker 2: So CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud over Rock Party for you, okay, Scott.
Speaker 2: Stafford over Party? Yeah? Sure, even rus Wilson maybe over Purty.
Speaker 2: He's going to be I mean have to be backed
Speaker 2: into a corner before I play Party. It's not just
Speaker 2: the weather. I mean he's got a bad shoulder. He
Speaker 2: couldn't even play last week, So I think even if
Speaker 2: he goes, they're going to try to be limited in
Speaker 2: what they ask him to do. I will not at
Speaker 2: all consider perty or proactive pick. I'd have to be
Speaker 2: in a bad spot to use him. In week thirteen,
Speaker 2: let's go over to tight Ends.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys are not too bad of a spot,
Speaker 1: because I actually think it's been quite some time, but
Speaker 1: you look at this top twelve on the board and
Speaker 1: it just feels like, oh, yeah, those are the guys,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I feel like we've had like there's
Speaker 1: the core and then here's the questions. Things have just
Speaker 1: it took thirteen weeks, twelve weeks for us to kind
Speaker 1: of figure out what that core ends up looking like.
Speaker 1: But here they are. At number one, we've got Travis Kelce. Two,
Speaker 1: we've got Trey McBride, followed by Brock Bauers, George Kittle,
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill as your top five, TJ Hopkinson, John Smith
Speaker 1: and Djoku Atton, Ingram Goddard and Hunter Henry. Again, I
Speaker 1: feel like that is a very just solid core you
Speaker 1: get those guys in. I do want to ask and Scott,
Speaker 1: let's start with you your comfortability of Taysom Hill at four.
Speaker 1: I did kind of make a case about two weeks
Speaker 1: ago where I was just huffing him, puffing about hey, listen,
Speaker 1: the tight end position is really in question. I think
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill you just throw him at five because his
Speaker 1: upside is bigger than any guy under him. His downside
Speaker 1: seems to be mitigated because of the usage that he's
Speaker 1: going to get, and they Saint's kind of confirmed that
Speaker 1: this week. My caveat now is like, I don't know
Speaker 1: Hawkinson and John who are really tapering up. So what
Speaker 1: I'm asking you is is what's your comfortability of Taysom
Speaker 1: being at top five and what's the lowest you think
Speaker 1: he should be ranked.
Speaker 2: I like him as a top five guy. I remember
Speaker 2: he's got the easiest narrative to a touchdown, right because
Speaker 2: the goal line Alva Kamara's had a great season, but
Speaker 2: their best goal line play is a run to Taysom Hill.
Speaker 2: It's just he's thirty four years old. He hasn't been
Speaker 2: healthy at times this year. We know everybody around him
Speaker 2: has gotten hurt. And note that since they fired their
Speaker 2: head coach, another thing has happened in New Orleans. Their
Speaker 2: offensive line is healthy again, so they can actually do
Speaker 2: some of the things that they couldn't do. Maybe a
Speaker 2: month or two ago, I would be I think Taysom
Speaker 2: Hill's really close to being a Senate And forget a
Speaker 2: guy I remember at a position I have Trade McBride
Speaker 2: number one, a tight end. He hasn't scored a touchdown
Speaker 2: all year. I don't know, take an Act of Congress
Speaker 2: to get Trade McBride in the end zone. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Taysom Hill is somebody I play confidently, and I think
Speaker 2: everybody will have him in the top ten. He's going
Speaker 2: to be a top five guy for me so long
Speaker 2: as he's healthy. Yeah, fit's I guess.
Speaker 1: My take on this is it's like, you know, if
Speaker 1: you have Taysom Hill and zach Ertz, there's no questions,
Speaker 1: you're all golden. But like push come to shove, if
Speaker 1: you have Taysom Hill and TJ. Hockinson, do you buy
Speaker 1: truthfully that Taysom Hill is at five here? And if not,
Speaker 1: what is the range? If you have some concerns, because
Speaker 1: there are plenty of easy questions, but when you start
Speaker 1: putting him against Njoku or aughten, where do you lie?
Speaker 3: He was the easiest guy to rank all week I've
Speaker 3: got him ahead of those guys and just behind the
Speaker 3: fab four at tight end Kelsey, Bowers, McBride and Kittle.
Speaker 3: And I've actually moved him past Kittle even before we
Speaker 3: got the weather report, just because I think Brandon Allen
Speaker 3: was going to play, you know, just Hill. I have
Speaker 3: on other shows referred to Taysom Hill as the funeral
Speaker 3: home director because the more tragic the circumstances, the better
Speaker 3: business is for him. And we have seen the Saints
Speaker 3: wide receiver room get completely wiped out with the injuries
Speaker 3: to Rashid Chiheed and Chris Olave. Plus the Saints I
Speaker 3: think they might get Jamal Williams back, but they've got
Speaker 3: like no healthy backup running backs behind Alvin Kamara, who
Speaker 3: they don't want to give thirty touches a game. I
Speaker 3: think the setup is just fantastic for Taysom Hill.
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Speaker 1: I never did watch that.
Speaker 2: I like Michael C.
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Speaker 2: The fourth season isn't great. I'll say one of we
Speaker 2: think about Six fee Under. If you're not sure about
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Speaker 2: or not. A lot of shows take time. Even the
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Speaker 2: think their first seasons are as strong as they ultimately become.
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Speaker 1: You might have some time if you didn't have Taysom
Speaker 1: Hill as you're tight end, you might have some time
Speaker 1: coming up in the next couple of weeks. If you
Speaker 1: got knocked out of Fantasy, also might have done it.
Speaker 1: If you early on had Mark Andrews, he catches the touchdown,
Speaker 1: he saves his day. Mark Andrews comes in ECR fifteen
Speaker 1: this week, FITZI you got him way down there at eighteen, Scott,
Speaker 1: you got him at fourteen. We see the core of players.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, this fits Mark Andrews or zach.
Speaker 2: Ertz this week? I have Ertz ranked higher.
Speaker 1: So not in on Andrews too much. It's too is
Speaker 1: it too fully touchdown? Equity is what builds his value.
Speaker 1: That's been my argument.
Speaker 3: Very little separation between the guys I have ranked in
Speaker 3: the high end tight end two range, and Ertz and
Speaker 3: Andrews both fall into that category. I guess the two
Speaker 3: reasons why I'm not that excited about Mark Andrews. He's
Speaker 3: seen more than five targets once this season, five or
Speaker 3: fewer targets, although he's usually good for four or five,
Speaker 3: but like, there's just not a lot of high target
Speaker 3: potential here. And the other is that he's going up
Speaker 3: against this red hot Eagles defense that has allowed the
Speaker 3: third fewest fantasy points and fourth fewest receiving yards to
Speaker 3: tight ends.
Speaker 1: Scott zach Ertz or Mark Andrews this week.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go Andrews, but I want to echo
Speaker 2: how strong that Eagles defense has been since their bye
Speaker 2: week seven straight wins. Nobody has gotten more than two
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety yards of offense against them, and some
Speaker 2: teams didn't even make it to two hundred. I know
Speaker 2: some of that was favorable matchups, but they've done it
Speaker 2: against good teams too. As an adopted fan of the
Speaker 2: Detroit Lions, I'm really Eagles are very scary. They have
Speaker 2: playmakers on all three levels. And I Baltimore Philadelphia, what
Speaker 2: a game that's going to be. I prefer Andrews to er.
Speaker 2: Ertz has scored the last two weeks, but Andrews says
Speaker 2: six touchdowns. He did it last week even with Isaiah
Speaker 2: likely back, So that earns a little bit of trust
Speaker 2: that we get Baltimore team, a winning team that doesn't
Speaker 2: want to throw the ball. You're going to get twenty
Speaker 2: five pass attempts most weeks from them, but the touchdown
Speaker 2: equity gives Andrews the check mark. There.
Speaker 3: One quick thing to add about Ertz. I do think
Speaker 3: the absence of Austin Eckler sort of enhances the profile
Speaker 3: of Ertz because he's probably going to have a monopoly
Speaker 3: in the short area targets for the compoints.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: Well, if you guys have got more tight end or
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Speaker 1: that we mentioned here. Four Pats Fitz Morris and Scott Bianalzgi.
Speaker 1: I'm Chris Welsch. You guys are a fantastic Week thirteen. Hopefully
Speaker 1: it's great and we will talk to you next time
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