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Speaker 1: Rivals as a production of I Heart Radio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Rivals, the show about music beefs and

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Speaker 1: feuds and long swimmering resentments between musicians. I'm Steve and

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Speaker 1: I'm Jordan's and today we're gonna talk about the second

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Speaker 1: best brit pop band after Blur, one of the great

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Speaker 1: also ran bands of the nineties. Right away, huh, starting

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Speaker 1: with this, I mean, look, Jordan's, you know how I

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Speaker 1: feel about Oasis. This was my favorite band in high

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Speaker 1: school and they are clearly clearly one of the great

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Speaker 1: rock bands of the nineties, park Life. I'm gonna reserve

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Speaker 1: any smack talk for our Oasis Versus Blur episode, which

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Speaker 1: we've been putting off because it might very well rip

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Speaker 1: this show apart. So instead we're gonna go inside Oasis

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Speaker 1: and talk about Liam Gallagher versus Noel Gallagher and man,

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Speaker 1: there is a lot of material to go through here.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited me I almost feel bad that I'm

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Speaker 1: mis gleeful about just talking about a disintegrating family, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm so excited to find the go brother

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Speaker 1: against brother, which I think is the fiercest rock feud

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Speaker 1: there is. Right Like in my ranking it's inter band

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Speaker 1: ex lovers, inter band ex lovers, and then interband family. Right, Oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: without question. I mean it's biblical, it's pain enable. I

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Speaker 1: mean I can't even get that sad about them because

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Speaker 1: it just seems like this is their base state. Like

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Speaker 1: I know, you were a new Oasis probably before most

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Speaker 1: American fans were. You were like a fan back in Uh.

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Speaker 1: Were you aware of the extent of their animosity, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was impossible not to be aware of it.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was fore grounded in the band that

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Speaker 1: Nol and Liam were always at each other's throats, and

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Speaker 1: I think that for both of them, they realized early

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Speaker 1: on that that was their dynamic and it was both

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Speaker 1: their biggest curse and their biggest attribute. I mean, any

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Speaker 1: of the energy that you get from Oasis and that

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Speaker 1: combustible nature of this band that for me has made

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Speaker 1: them irresistible. You know, they wouldn't be as interesting if

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Speaker 1: they were just a band that had nice brit pop

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Speaker 1: tunes and had hits back in the nineties. It's the

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Speaker 1: drama that that we're drawn to, and I think from

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Speaker 1: a pretty early stage, you know, the Gallagher brothers were

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Speaker 1: right up there with you. Know, the Beach Boys and

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Speaker 1: the Kinks and the Black Crows, all of the famous

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Speaker 1: battling brothers. I think we're going to see though, that

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Speaker 1: sets these brothers apart. And what makes this rivalry so

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Speaker 1: much fun to talk about is that they're both uniquely

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Speaker 1: gifted at saying absolutely horrible and hilarious things about each other.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's not like one guy's funny and the

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Speaker 1: other one just takes it. They're both hilarious and great

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Speaker 1: at insulting each other. Um and at the same time, though,

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Speaker 1: I think that they had a great partnership in much

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Speaker 1: the same way. You know, we talked about Roger Waters

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Speaker 1: and David Gilmour and Pink Floyd completing each other. I

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Speaker 1: think that's also very much true of of Noel and Liam,

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Speaker 1: and when they're apart, you can really see that. Come

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Speaker 1: to the four so uh yeah, I mean, look, I'm

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Speaker 1: in heaven talking about this. This is gonna be like

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Speaker 1: a four hour episode, so strap in. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: won't be four hours, but I mean I wish it

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Speaker 1: could be four hours. But we're gonna get through a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff here. So without further ado, let's get

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Speaker 1: into this mess. No Gallagher once said, I liked my

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Speaker 1: mom until she gave birth to Liam. We're gonna open

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Speaker 1: with that. How can you not love these guys? How

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Speaker 1: can you not love these guys like Don Rickles level,

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Speaker 1: like the glorious. I mean that that just was savor

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Speaker 1: every single one of these I can't wait. I mean,

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Speaker 1: by all accounts, right, their feuding has been just like

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Speaker 1: a permanent part of the relationship, dating back to their

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Speaker 1: childhood in nineties Manchester. Uh. Their mother, Peggy described the

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Speaker 1: I think there's a bit of jealous date with Liam

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Speaker 1: and Noel. Noel was beautiful as a baby, and then

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Speaker 1: Liam comes along. It takes the limelight off you. And

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Speaker 1: that's not completely uncommon for you know, older sibling who's

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Speaker 1: pissing on Knole's music. Yeah, there's a documentary about Liam

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Speaker 1: whereas Liam was the tough guy at school, like he'd

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Speaker 1: I think this is specific to Liam Gallagher. Um, but

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Speaker 1: I think is true. But the very sort of self

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Speaker 1: and it was all the guys in Oasis. Bone Head

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Speaker 1: It's at the Whiskey a Go Go. Yeah, Like they're

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Speaker 1: and so has the crew. Like just their entire touring

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Speaker 1: maybe showing a softer side of himself. It's such a

428
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 1: powerful thing, and in a way, I think it's more

429
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 1: of a true Oasis sentiment than like the more sensitive

430
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: guy singing the more sensitive songs, like having the like

431
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 1: the Loud, the drunken Loud show you a moment of vulnerability.

432
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: It's such a powerful thing and it draws you in.

433
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: And I think that is the Oasis dynamic right there,

434
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: and it's what made that band so great. I guess

435
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: what I love about some of Rod Stewart's songs due

436
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, when he has like some

437
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: of the more like when he's doing like the Tim

438
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: Harden song and you wear it right, Yeah, it's a

439
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: it's a similar sentiment, like he's on stage doing stuff

440
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 1: with the faces and then the quiet acoustic stuff. Yeah,

441
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: I never thought of it like that. And you know,

442
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: like the swaggering guy who's like the fun time party guy,

443
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: but then he's gonna take a moment and maybe he's drunk,

444
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's wasted and that's why he's sensitive now.

445
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: But like he's gonna tell you that, like maybe you're

446
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 1: gonna be the one that saves me. You know, it's like,

447
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: whoa this guy is saying that like it. I think

448
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: there's that's what made that song such an anthem, you know,

449
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: it's it was the combination of the song and also

450
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: Liam's ability to project it out and to turn it

451
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: into something other than what it would have been just

452
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: done the page. You know. Obviously, Don't Look Back in

453
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: Anger is an amazing song too, and I'm glad Noel

454
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: sings that. He sings the hell out of that song.

455
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: There's a part of me though, that kind of which

456
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: is Liam would have sung that. I'd be curious to

457
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: hear what that would have come off like. But it's

458
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: interesting because during sessions for for wonder Wall, he uh,

459
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: he was basically he was living the drunken loud part

460
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: to the hill. There's a famous story doing sessions for

461
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: what's the story Morning Glory. Noel was supremely annoyed when

462
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: Liam went down to the pub and brought like twenty

463
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 1: strangers back to the studio when he was trying, like

464
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: painstakingly figuring out his guitar parts. Noel's just like, all right,

465
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: get the hell of the studio, please leave. Uh And

466
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: then Noel goes to bed, only to be woken up

467
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: by an absolutely irate and supremely trashed Liam banging on

468
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: his door. Uh. No wards him off with a cricket bat.

469
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: I think he hits him over the head with it, right,

470
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course. I mean it's like, you know,

471
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: if you have a cricket bat in the vicinity of

472
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: Oasis in the mid nineties, it's gonna get smashed over

473
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: someone's head. Man. You know. It's like it's like when

474
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: you watch those old movies and there's a there's a chase,

475
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, or like two guys are moving like a

476
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: plate class window across the street. It's like, well, that's

477
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: that window is gonna get smashed. You know, it's gonna

478
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: get smashed by like you know, the car chase here.

479
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, And like you know, there was definitely you know,

480
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: this is around the time to like because definitely maybe

481
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: comes out it becomes a phenomenon, especially in England, but

482
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: it's also more of it. It's a it's more of

483
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: a hit in America than like a lot of British

484
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 1: bands were doing UM at that time. And of course

485
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: what story Morning Glory comes out and that ends up

486
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: really blowing up all over the world and as a

487
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: wastis gets bigger and bigger, you can see the chaos

488
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: in the band get more and more exaggerated. Uh, there's

489
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: that great MTV unplug special that they did. I think

490
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: that was when Liam was so drunk and belligerent that

491
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 1: he wouldn't go on stage UM and sing, so like

492
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: Noel had to be the least singer. And I think

493
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: he comes out and he says, you know, hey, it's

494
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: the ugly four you know coming up, which is a

495
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: funny thing. But again it kind of speaks to what

496
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier, that thing that goes back

497
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: to childhood, that like, oh, my younger brother is the

498
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: cute one and he gets all the attention. It's sort

499
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: of like a passive aggressive reference to that in a way,

500
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: and what's great about that special, of course, is that

501
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: like Liam, it's not like he was back in the

502
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: hotel room, like he was in the studio heckling the band.

503
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: So like they show him drinking, you know, points and

504
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: smoking heavily, and he's also heckling the band at the

505
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: same time. And then of course he ends up bailing

506
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: at the last second out of an upcoming US tour.

507
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: I think because he said he had to look for

508
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: a house, yeah, which is one of the more novel

509
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: rock and roll excuses. I have to say, Like yeah,

510
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: like the the whole the record company tried to smooth

511
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: it over, like oh yeah, Liam was called away for

512
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: like the sort out of personal matter, and he's like, I, Liam,

513
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: I don't know why he admitted the fact that he's, Oh, yeah,

514
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: I can't go. I can't go to perform for silly

515
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: fucking Yanks. I'm gonna find a house to live in, so, which,

516
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things maybe you should have

517
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: planned for. Uh. So the tour continues with no on vocals.

518
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: Liam joins later, and it's kind of a mess that

519
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: they swing by the MTV v M as caused this

520
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: huge up war, I guess by swearing and spitting, which

521
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, MTV probably should have also prepared for

522
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: uh nol cuts the tour short, I think, and just

523
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: as fun it I'm gonna go back to England and

524
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: at this point I think everyone thinks, so waste is is,

525
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, moments away from breaking off? Yeah, but instead

526
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: they make be Here Now their third record, and you know,

527
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: this was a major event for me. I remember buying

528
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: the record. I think I bought it the day it

529
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: came out. I was living in my dorm at the time.

530
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: School hadn't started yet, but I had to come back

531
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 1: early because I worked for the school paper. So I

532
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: remember just being in my dorm room by myself, listening

533
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: to be Here Now over and over again while watching

534
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: coverage of Princess Diana's death because she died I think

535
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: right after that. So like that's my memory. My English

536
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: day was a very English day. And like, I don't know,

537
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about be Here Now.

538
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: Like I loved it when it came out, and then

539
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: I kind of fell out of love with it, and

540
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: now I love it again for the reasons that I

541
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: didn't used to like it. But I guess I'm just curious,

542
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: like what you think of be Here Now. I mean

543
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: it makes like Fleetwood Mac's Tusk seemed like spartan and

544
00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: sober and like stripped down. So I mean, all Around

545
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: the World might be the most coked out song in

546
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: English rock history. Yeah, it's so and like and that

547
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: was like an early Oasis song too, Like I think

548
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: in Supersonic You there's there's footage of them playing that

549
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: during a rehearsal, like maybe even before definitely maybe came out.

550
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: It was like one of the early Noel Gallagher songs.

551
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: And I think he had this idea that he wanted

552
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: to turn it into like the new Hey Jude, and

553
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: just have it go on endlessly and like pylon orchestras

554
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: and choirs and you know, small nations of children gathering

555
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: and holding hands singing this song, which is like a

556
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: pretty shitty song. It's like note a very good song.

557
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: Like there's there's a lot of Wassis songs that they

558
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: could have blown up like that, like do that to

559
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: whatever or something like that, like that song whatever could

560
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: have been given that kind of treatment. But yeah, I mean,

561
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: like be Here Now, it's like you said, it has

562
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: this rep for being very coked out, very excessive, you know,

563
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: and over the top. But that's kind of why I

564
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: love it now, because again, I can't imagine a rock

565
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: band having the kind of latitude to make a record

566
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: like that. It's like their usual illusion albums, you know,

567
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: and and just the excess is incredible. Like I mean,

568
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: this song I think is legitimately great, Like do you

569
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like the first song, I think

570
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: it's legitimately great song. But like that song goes on

571
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: for about seven and a half minutes, And I love

572
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: this because like they put out a radio edit of

573
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: that song and it's only like twenty seconds shorter, so

574
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: instead of being like seven forty, it's like seven twenty.

575
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: And I think all they did was take out some

576
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: of the helicopter sounds from the beginning of the song.

577
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: Like I think that, okay, okay, take this out and

578
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: now we're done. Um does that mean I like thirty

579
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: guitar tracks on it? Yeah, there's this song which is

580
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: like one of the weaker songs on the record, called

581
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: My Big Mouth, where yeah there's there's like thirty different

582
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: guitar tracks on it, and like you listen to it

583
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: and it's like there's really nothing interesting happening with the guitars.

584
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: It just sounds like a like a you know, straightforward

585
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: pub rock type, you know, snotty sex pistols type song.

586
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: But you know, like when I listened to be Here now,

587
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: I think of this story from Supersonic where uh they

588
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: were talking about how when they were making Definitely Maybe,

589
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,239
Speaker 1: it took him a long time to get that record right.

590
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: I think they had to rerecord it like three times,

591
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: and the ultimate solution that they found when they finally

592
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: hooked up with Owen Morris, who was the producer of

593
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: those first three records, was just to make it twice

594
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: as loud, like they found some device that could make yeah, exactly,

595
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: It's like they they found a device that could make

596
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: it sound way louder, and then all of a sudden

597
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: they were like, yes, that's it, And I just I

598
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: just think about that would be here now because I

599
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: just think of it as like a bunch of guys

600
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: on coke who are just like, make it louder, louder,

601
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, like louder is the aesthetic of that record.

602
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: So I think to appreciate that album, you have to

603
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: just go with it. You have to go with the

604
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: excess and try to appreciate it for what it is

605
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: or else it is a pretty obnoxious album. But yeah,

606
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I think again that just speaks to like

607
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: how the chaos was really taking over the band at

608
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: that point, and also just continuing to drive Liam and

609
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: Noel further and further apart. All right, hey, and we'll

610
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: be right back with more rivals. It gets really bad

611
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: in two thousands. So at this point in Waste is

612
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: original drummer Tony mccarroll's out of the band, and they

613
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: got Alan White in and they're on tour. It's two thousand.

614
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: They're on tour in Spain and Ellen Whites injured his

615
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: arm and so the band can't play that night. And

616
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: when you're Oasis and you can't play music, you go drinking.

617
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: That's just what what you do. So they're not drinking

618
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: and uh, and Liam finally goes too far with Noel.

619
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: He he makes a jokes about Noel's daughter, a nace.

620
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: I think is how you say It's how you say

621
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: daughter's name. Sure, let's say it. No, No, if you're listening,

622
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: you can say something really rude about us on Twitter.

623
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: That'd be great. So so Liam questions the paternity of

624
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: Noel's daughter. I think he might have claimed paternity of

625
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: Noel's daughter because he has gone on record saying describing

626
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: her as quote his fucking kid. So Jesus, yeah, whatever

627
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: was it? Way overstepped the mark and they got into

628
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: a major fist fight. I think Noel split Liam's lip actually,

629
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: And so Noel left the band for you know, the

630
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: second time after the the l A incident, and the

631
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: band completed the European tour without him, And I guess

632
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: it's a Liam years to apologize for this, Like it

633
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: became the family stuff becomes a real sticking point, and

634
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: stuff with Noel's daughter becomes a real sticking point with

635
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: their relationship in the years to come. Yeah, and yeah,

636
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: and I feel like, yeah, yeah, what you're going up

637
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: for someone's kids. It's like, Okay, this isn't like talking

638
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: getting kicked off of fairies anymore. You know. Now we're

639
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: now we're bringing in civilians into the into the fold,

640
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's never a good thing. Which, surprisingly, for

641
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: the rest of the two thousands, their relationship is as

642
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: harmonious as it's ever gonna get. I guess because Noel

643
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: had switched over to psychological poor man. I guess he

644
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: starts to psychologically terrorize his younger brother. He gives an

645
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: interview in Spin in two thousand five, and he says,

646
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: Liam's completely freaked out by me. Now he's actually frightened

647
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: to death of me. I can read him. I can

648
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: play him like a fucking slightly disused arcade game. I

649
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: can make him make decisions that he thinks are his

650
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: but they're really mine, so and say like, yeah, that's

651
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: better than any lyrics he's ever written us slightly, he

652
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: just used arcade game, Like you know, he should just

653
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: like do like a stenography of his interviews and incorporate

654
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: that into his lyrics, Like I think that would help

655
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: his songwriting a lot. I mean, no one he was

656
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: really getting like that. He would, I guess, move furniture

657
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: in Liam's room and try to convince him that Spirits

658
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: did it, because Liam apparently as this like serious phobia

659
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: of ghosts, Like it was that level of like petty right, Yeah,

660
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: I've heard that story. I mean, like Liam at this time,

661
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: I feel like he was still just he He must

662
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: have just been drunk like seven. Because it's funny because

663
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: comparing him at that time to now you can really

664
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: tell a difference. And we'll get into this later in

665
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: the episode, Like his level of clarity now is so

666
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: much greater, and it's like actually kind of put him

667
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: on more of an equal playing field with Noel, because

668
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: it seems like back then, like he was such an

669
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: easy target. And if you see interviews with him too,

670
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: it's like he's impossible to understand in a way that

671
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: it's not just his accent because he's like much more

672
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: coherent now, But back then, yeah, he was just like

673
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: a drunken, coked out maniac who was afraid of ghosts. Yeah,

674
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: if you look at like the nineties and early two

675
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: thousand's early m clips, it looks like a Sasha Baron

676
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: Cohan character, Like, you know, it just it seems like

677
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: like it can't be real, but but the fact that

678
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: it is is all the better. But like, you know,

679
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: there was a sense in the in the adds that

680
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: Oasis had stabilized, that they weren't on the verge of

681
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: following apart all the time. They were putting out albums

682
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: that are actually pretty respectable, like late career, like rock

683
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: veteran albums, like I actually think two thousand fives don't

684
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: believe the truth. It's like one of their better records,

685
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: Like I think there's a legitimate comeback record for them,

686
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: maybe not so much commercially, but certainly artistically, you know.

687
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: And then like Dig Out your Own Soul, like some

688
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: of those records, like they were doing well. There was

689
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: almost a feeling like, well maybe they kind of got

690
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: over what they you know, all that turmoil in the

691
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: nineties and they can just be a band that goes

692
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: on forever. And the thing is Dig Out Your Souls

693
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: that I guess Liam really strongly objected to the use

694
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: of keyboards on the album. It became this huge sticking point.

695
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: No later said, like, Liam is just a rational fear

696
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: of keyboards. So they were starting to get you know,

697
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: I think Noel describe their prior albums after be Here

698
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: Now as like, you know, all right, just just we're

699
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,959
Speaker 1: a rock band doing flour on the floor, guitar based

700
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: and drums. That's it. Nothing fancy. And then Noel decided

701
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: for the Got Your Soul Too, we want to get

702
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: fancy again, so and Liam was not happy with that.

703
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: It's like, although like when you listen to an album,

704
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: it's like not some radical departure, like they didn't make

705
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: kid A like they got your own soul. It's it's

706
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: still like an Oasis record. But I think it just

707
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: shows like an Oasis, like their template is like fairly

708
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: narrow sonically, and you know, any deviation from that looks

709
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: like a pretty radical departure. And the only you said,

710
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that Liam probably had

711
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: a lot to do with that. If you look at

712
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: Nol's solo career, he does veer a little farther away

713
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: from the straight ahead rock that you hear in Oasis.

714
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: Did Liam hate Wonderwall first? I hadn't heard that story. No,

715
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: is that true? Think Noel said in some interviews like, yeah,

716
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: this is the guy you hated wonder All at first

717
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: because the drums went bombed to bomb and that was

718
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: like too much for let's see. I wonder if he

719
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: was just saying that though to make Liam looks stupid,

720
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: which which isn't hard to do with Liam. Sometimes. But anyway,

721
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: this sense that like that I had anyway, maybe I

722
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: just had wishful thinking back then that always has had stabilized.

723
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: I mean, they blew up essentially in August of two

724
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: thou nine because They're playing this festival in Paris, and uh,

725
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, Liam and Noel apparently had been having tensions

726
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: on this tour for a while. Um, there was a

727
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: fight that they had over Liam's fashion line, which, again,

728
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a running theme on this show,

729
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: be really against fashion lines. I feel like when when

730
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: there's ever an artist who starts caring about fashion more

731
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: than music, it's always the end. Music is about getting

732
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: really bad about to get bad, you know, because it's

733
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: like I want to make boots now instead of Paisley.

734
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: I want to make cool belts instead of cool songs.

735
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: But anyway, like Liam had a fashion line and he

736
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: wanted to advertise it in the Oasis tour program and

737
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: Nol wanted to charge Liam advertising piece for that, which

738
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: Liam did not like. So they're arguing about that and

739
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: it all comes to a head backstage at this festival

740
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: in Paris, and like, how did this guy? I'm trying

741
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: to remember everything. I know. I know that there was

742
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: a plumb involved. I know Liam threw a plumb at

743
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: no I think he might have liked. And then I

744
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: think Noel smashed the guitar. I think it was Liam

745
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: storms out on his way out, he throws a plumb

746
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: at Knoll. Yes, and then Liam came back in, grabbed

747
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: a guitar and started swinging at like an axe at

748
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: Noel's face. And no, as he said later, it was

749
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: pretty freaked up by this is a fairly violent act.

750
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: So the guitar gets smashed. I think William is the

751
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: one who does it. Noel seeks shelter in his car.

752
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: He's in the parking lot of an Oasis gig in

753
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: his car, and he's just like, you know what, I

754
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: can't I can't do this anymore. I cannot do this anymore.

755
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: And that was yeah, exactly. It kind of ends with

756
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: like a plump stained whimper. You know, it's not a

757
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: spectacular you know, I mean. And Nolan has said that

758
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: like if he had maybe not talked about it publicly

759
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: right away, if he just kind of stepped away and

760
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: the band could have maybe gone up and done in

761
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: their own thing for a couple of years, that they

762
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: might not have broken up. It seems like, in a

763
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: way of sort of like an impulsive decision on his

764
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: part to look at this incident as like the last straw.

765
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: But then maybe once he decided that in his mind

766
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: he liked the idea that he could just be on

767
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: his own because I think, I mean, obviously this goes

768
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: deeper than just like an archae it's over a fashion line,

769
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, and we've talked about it already in this episode.

770
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: You know, these two have always been in each other's throats.

771
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: It must have been exhausting to have that kind of

772
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: dynamic that it's not only destructive, but it was also

773
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: constructive in a way, Like they needed that tension for

774
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: Oasis to work. And there was a period where you know,

775
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: Liam's invitation to chaos and Noel's sort of controlling tendencies

776
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: where those buttet heads and it created a lot of

777
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: friction and it made o Waste is a very exciting band.

778
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: But like you know, you can't do that forever. And

779
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: I think there was a feeling, I think, especially in

780
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: Knowle's part, that like I can do this on my own,

781
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: Like I can make records on my own. I'm a songwriter, um,

782
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: and I don't need to be an Oasis and I

783
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: don't need to deal with Liam's ships even simpler, Like

784
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: I can only imagine what being in close confines with

785
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: him from that era must have been, Like I mean, yeah,

786
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever the straw was, it may have been

787
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: a minor thing. Like yeah, it's hard not to blame him. Yeah,

788
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean I think Liam too was feeling at that

789
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: time that he was also a songwriter. He was starting

790
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: to develop as a songwriter. He had written some pretty

791
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: good tunes for various late period Oasis records. A Songbird

792
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: was a great song, I thought, a Songbird and like,

793
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: you know, like don't believe the truth. I mean, I

794
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: feel like the songs on that record were like fairly

795
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: evenly distributed among the different band members. Um, I think

796
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: Noel maybe wrote half of that record. But then you know,

797
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: like Liam wrote some songs, Jim Archer wrote some songs.

798
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: And Lee would later say like by this era he

799
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: was kind of hoping that that he and Nold would

800
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: would actually do songwriting together, Like he said he wanted

801
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: Gallagher Gallagher writing music together, like, you know, lending a

802
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: McCartney style. I'm writing this song, can you help me

803
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: a little bit? It's almost like shades of the the

804
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: George Harrison UH Beatles, uh feud where it's just you know,

805
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm working on this. Would you you give

806
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: me the respect to come over and actually listen to

807
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: it and and maybe elevate me to your level and

808
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: we can do this together. We're brothers and Um, I mean,

809
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: maybe that's Liam just saying that after the fact, looking

810
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: for for for grievances with Noel, despite being sort of

811
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: the most obvious offender. But but no also touched on

812
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: this later. He said, you know, Liam got cast in

813
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: the role of this like performing monkey by the press,

814
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: and I got cast as this man behind the curtain,

815
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: and maybe Liam wanted to be the Wizard of Oz

816
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: instead of the Monkey. Yeah. I mean, like Liam Gagher

817
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: is not as good a a songwriter as George Harrison.

818
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: I think we can say that pretty unequivvocally, and and

819
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: that really kind of comes becomes obvious when Liam starts

820
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: a new band called b d I, with members basically

821
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: the leftover parts of Oasis and UM. They put out

822
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: a record in two thousand eleven called Different Gears Still Speeding,

823
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: and it's essentially an attempt to just straight up replicate

824
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: Oasis UM, and it sounds a lot like Oasis. You

825
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: obviously have the same singer Um, but the songs are

826
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: just not as memorable. I mean again, like like we

827
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: were talking about in our Roger Waters David Gilmour episode,

828
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: like he would be kind of like the David Gilmore

829
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: in a way in this dynamic where he's like, yeah,

830
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: if you want just straight ahead rock that sounds like

831
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Oasis but doesn't really have any of the substance or

832
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: like the memorable parts that made a waste is great,

833
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: then like that's what b d I is, um, I'd

834
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: say too, Like I interviewed Liam. The one time I

835
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: interviewed Liam was when he was promoting that first bd

836
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: I record, and I alluded to this earlier, but like,

837
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, Liam Gallagher has become a much cannier uh

838
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: you know interviewee, you know, as someone who can use

839
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: the media to like put himself out there and to

840
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: get people on his side. You know, at that time,

841
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: he was still like pretty churlish and interviews could be

842
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: pretty standoffish. I remember I asked him twenty four questions

843
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: in fifteen minutes, Like most of his answers we're like

844
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: two or three words. And this kind of became a joke.

845
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: Like the answer that he gave I swear to God

846
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: more than once was like I'd ask him about like Oasis,

847
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: are you gonna play Oasis songs and he would just say,

848
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: b d I music mate, b d I music mate,

849
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: b d I mate, Like he just said that, like

850
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: that three or four word phrase over and over again.

851
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: You can't call your album different gear still speeding. That's

852
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: obviously an illusion to continuing on the same root and

853
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: same path you have been. I'm sorry, I'm sorry I

854
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: had to deal with that. That's really annoying. So and

855
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: then you have Noel. He starts Noel Gallagher's High Flying

856
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: Birds and I remember, you know they came out and

857
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: like that self titled debut I think is actually like

858
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: a pretty good record, but in a way I felt

859
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: like he had a similar issue and that like the

860
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: songs were really good, but it also is kind of

861
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: a boring record, like it didn't have that edge that

862
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: that the best Oasis records have, Like, like, how did

863
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: you feel about his solo out? For me, it's a

864
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: voice thing to like his voice. I mean, he may

865
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: even be technically considered a better singer because he doesn't

866
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: have that like Johnny Rotten kind of snarl that Liam does.

867
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: But you're right, it just bored me. He's not he's

868
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: not a front man. You know, I know yesterday was great,

869
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: though I like that well, Like you know, I think

870
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: he's a B plus lead singer and he's like a

871
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: salad a as a backing singer. Like, there's so many

872
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: Osis songs that I love that are just made even

873
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: greater because of Noel's backing vocals. Um. I'll say to like,

874
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: my favorite as the song of all time is the

875
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: song Acquies, which is like a famous B side where

876
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: Liam sings the verses and Noel sings the chorus. And

877
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: to me, that just makes that song the ultimate always

878
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: a song because you can hear both of them. They're

879
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: both in a way battling each other for attention in

880
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: that song, and yet they're also perfectly complimenting each other

881
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: at the same time. Um. I mean again, I think

882
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: as a singer, Liam can stand on his own better

883
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: than Noel can. But like as a songwriter, Liam can't

884
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: even touch, can't come close to touching what Noel can

885
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: do musically. But you know, as we get into the

886
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: two thousand Tents, it seems like this battle between these

887
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: two becomes more of like a Twitter battle than a

888
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: musical battle. Wouldn't you say, Oh yeah, I mean Liam's

889
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Twitter skills are absolutely unmatched. I mean, he's it's it's

890
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: truly his calling. He's an artist when it comes to

891
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: Twitter warfare. He's made just references that just are not

892
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: of this world. I have to say. I mean, well,

893
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: first of all, I mean, this one's easy, but he

894
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: dubbed Noel Gallagher's high flying birds Noel Gallagher's high flying turds,

895
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: which is brilliant. That's a classic line there, and he

896
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: really just takes it from there and he speaking diragular fans.

897
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: You're right, he somehow has leveraged his his persona as

898
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: sort of the unstable, crazy one who's you know, let's

899
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: face it, the reason why Oasis probably isn't together to

900
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: somehow just pleading his case directly to fans and making

901
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: himself seem more like the aggrieved party, like he's the

902
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: one who wants Oasis to get back together, but my

903
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,959
Speaker 1: my boring ass brother wants to do is boring ass

904
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: records and he won't do it. Yeah, I mean, to me,

905
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: that's the most interesting part of this feud as they've

906
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: moved into middle age, because you know, the Twitter aspect

907
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: of their battle is more of a one sided battle,

908
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: like Noel I don't think he's on Twitter normally. The

909
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: way he manifests his own side is he he'll do

910
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: an interview and then those quotes will end up on

911
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: Twitter and then Liam will react to it. Um. But

912
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: Liam has really become like the great wit of these two,

913
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: Like he's the one that uh is, you know, he's

914
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: on Twitter all the time. He's really funny, like yeah,

915
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: calling Noel a potato, Like, I just think it's hilarious.

916
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: You know, There's been so many things that he's done,

917
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: and like you said, I think there's an aspect to

918
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: him where I mean, he's been pretty open about wanting

919
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: a Wassis to get back together. I think he's like

920
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: done interviews where we've talked about that, He's talked about

921
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: that on Twitter. There's been various instances where he felt

922
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: like this might have been a good time for a Wassis,

923
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, to do a reunion. And I think clearly

924
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: there's so many people out there like, if you love

925
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: these guys, you would love for the chance to see

926
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: them play live together again. And it's almost a thing

927
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: now like where Liam is on the fans side and

928
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: Noel is the one standing in the way of you know,

929
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: this thing happening, which you know, if I look at

930
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: it from Noel's perspective, I could see how maddening that

931
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: would be, because I'm sure he looks at it as well.

932
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: This guy did everything he could to derail the band

933
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: when we were together, and I worked really hard to

934
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: make a successful sometimes, you know, fighting against this guy

935
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: who wanted, you know, to crash us into the side

936
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: of a mountain. And now he's you know, acting like

937
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: he wants to be nice again. It's like, well, why

938
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: would I put myself in that position again? Um, But

939
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: I think just due to the fact that Liam has

940
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: been so funny lately and he's gotten so much better

941
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: at giving interviews and being in the media, and that

942
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: he's taking the side that I think more people are

943
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: sympathetic toward. In a way, I feel like he's like

944
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: won this rivalry over no Like in the last several years.

945
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: Oh yes, especially after the the Manchester bombing in May.

946
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: I mean Liam made it really awkward for no He

947
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 1: he called no out for not showing up and being

948
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: there and reuniting Oasis to to help, you know, unify

949
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: their hometown. I think he no claimed he was out

950
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: of the country. I think he was, but Liam's tweeting

951
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: Adam saying, you know, come on, player songs for the

952
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: sad kids, you miserable bastard or something like that. Like

953
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: it really it puts a really awkward position, especially when

954
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: when these tragedies like that occur. I think he also

955
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: tried to get an all the to a Night to

956
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: raise money for for COVID. I think too, he's using

957
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: all these you know, objectively good causes just trying to

958
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: put pressure on his brother do this thing that he

959
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do. Yeah. I mean I think at

960
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: this point it's one of those things too, like we're no.

961
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a pride thing involved here, like where

962
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: if he for some reason decided like, Okay, I will

963
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: reunite with my brother, what's do an Oasis tour. I

964
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: will go through the ordeal of being paid hundreds of

965
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: millions of dollars to you know, do this very successful

966
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: reunion tour, which I think again, I think that tour

967
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: would would be huge. I think certainly internationally, but I

968
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: think even in America. Um, because I think Oasis has

969
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: taken on a stature of like they're that kind of

970
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: band that you don't see much of anymore in the

971
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: same way that like Guns and Roses, I think was

972
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: able to come back and still be very successful. I

973
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: think people look at Oasis says like, well, they don't

974
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: make rock bands like that crazy anymore. You know, like

975
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: if you're dying for exactly and if you appreciate that

976
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: kind of band, I think o waysis even if you

977
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: weren't a huge fan of theirs in the nineties. You know,

978
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: they have enough of a catalog, they have enough hits

979
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: that people know, and just the vibe that they portray.

980
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: You know, there's something there I think that would that

981
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: would draw a lot of people in. But I think

982
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: for Noel it just requires, you know, allowing so much

983
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: water to go into the bridge for him to do that.

984
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: You know, like we're talking earlier about how you know,

985
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: Liam is insinuating that like his daughter isn't his real daughter,

986
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, like things like that. It's like, how do

987
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: you put that behind and not safe and not lose face?

988
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure that's something that he must struggle

989
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: with when he thinks about this. Oh yeah, the daughter

990
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: stuff is something He said it again and again as

991
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: being a man, reason why he just can't forgive Liam.

992
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: I guess Liam texted Nol's daughter because Noel's wife called

993
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: Liam fat on social media, and so Liam texts noles

994
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: daughter saying you better tell your step mom to watch out,

995
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: and of course which is you know, and then she

996
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: goes to to her dad Nol and shows him this

997
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: text from uncle Liam, and Noel goes on so I

998
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: think it was on social media or Facebook. I forget

999
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: where he went, and he said, you know, he threatened

1000
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: my kids. Now, dude, like no, like, this is not

1001
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: like if you were in a rock star, we would

1002
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: file a police report on you, like this is not

1003
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: like you can't do this. And he's also said like

1004
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: there's been weird voicemails and other things that that he's

1005
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: left Noel's daughter. So yeah, I think that the daughter

1006
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: thing for him is particularly like a bridge too far

1007
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: for him. I mean, he he's even said, like, you know,

1008
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: the only reason I ever get the Lass back together

1009
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: at this point is to shut Liam up and get

1010
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: him away from my family. But I don't want to

1011
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: give in. I don't want to. I want to give

1012
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: him the satisfaction. I just wonder, like with some of

1013
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: this stuff, and like, look, think Liam, don't text his daughter,

1014
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: that's not Can we just put the kids off to

1015
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: the side, Like, just keep it one on one here, right.

1016
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: I'm totally I totally understand Noel being upset about that.

1017
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: That that's so crazy to me. I will say though, that,

1018
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: like I think there's an element here where Noel and Liam.

1019
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: Again we've talked about this before, but like they look

1020
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: at Ois differently and they and I think in a

1021
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: way a lot of this arguing is about like how

1022
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: they want Oasis to be regarded and how they wanted

1023
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: to be remembered. Noel wants it to be about the songs.

1024
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: He's always talked about how you know, this is like

1025
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: when Oasis was first becoming popular, Like he wanted Oasis

1026
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: albums to be looked at his timeless. He wanted them

1027
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: to be regarded the same way we look at great

1028
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: Beatles records of great Rolling Stones records. Like he cares

1029
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: about the lineage of rock history and he wants to

1030
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: be in that company, whereas Liam, I think, also cares

1031
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: about that. But he also embraces the pro wrestling aspect

1032
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: of Oasis, you know, like the idea that always this

1033
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: is a band that lives large, that they caused controversy

1034
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: that they make people upset from time to time time,

1035
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: but that is a big part of their appeal. And

1036
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: I think even now with like a lot of his

1037
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: tweets or even like when he's texting Noel's daughter, I

1038
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: think there's an element of him being like, you know,

1039
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,479
Speaker 1: the macho man, Randy Savage. You know, I think there's

1040
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: like a wrestling aspect to that where he's playing up

1041
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: the idea of him being like this flamboyant frontman and

1042
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: like this is what you do. And like especially now

1043
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: because how many Liam Gallagher's are are there in the world,

1044
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: Like there's not really that many anymore, so it's like

1045
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: even there's even more of a need for someone like that.

1046
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: And I have to say, like I'm sympathetic to both

1047
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: sides because I do think o Ways has made great

1048
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: albums and they should be regarded as again some of

1049
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: the best rock music of that era. But I also

1050
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: love the pro wrestling aspect of Oasis, and I every

1051
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: time Liam pixify with Noel on Twitter, I eat it

1052
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: up to this day, like I never get sick of it.

1053
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: So you know that I think is the kind of

1054
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: the rucks of like what this rivalry is as a

1055
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: part of you that wants them to be just happy

1056
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: enough to share a stage, but not actually happy. It's

1057
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: like Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks, Like you don't want

1058
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: to see them really hug on stage, like you want

1059
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 1: to see them stare each other down during the chain,

1060
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: like you know, it's just yeah, that is such a

1061
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: huge part of their alert when I love about them too,

1062
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: and yeah, just yeah, yeah, just like the fighting, but

1063
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: like how how exhausting it must be to be in

1064
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: the middle of that, And I get that, but also

1065
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: entertain me rock stars and make each other miserable, That's

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00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: what I want. We're gonna take a quick break to

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Speaker 1: get a word from our sponsor before we get two

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Speaker 1: more rivals. So okay, so this is the part of

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00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: the episode, like where we talk about the pro sides

1070
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: of each side, and let's start with Noel Gallagher because

1071
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: in a way, I feel like it's the more straightforward case.

1072
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: And again, I mean, we see this dynamic in so

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00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: many bands that there's the antagonists and the protagonist, and Noel,

1074
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: I guess would be the protagonist here. It seems like

1075
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: he's he's the songwriter he's the general of the band.

1076
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that Liam in the

1077
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: Rain like that would have been the band. Without Noel,

1078
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: they never would have made it out of Manchester. Um,

1079
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: there's a question about that. And you know, ultimately when

1080
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: we talk about OSIS, it's going to be because of

1081
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: Wonder Wall Live Forever, Don't Look Back in Anger, Champagne Supernova.

1082
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: No wrote all those songs and he's rightfully proud of

1083
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: of that legacy. Oh yeah, I wrote all the hits.

1084
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: Incredible guitarist, create a visionary of the band. I'll take

1085
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: his solo work over Liam's any day. Uh. And I

1086
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: think it's fad that he pushed the band to try

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00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: to grow creatively. I mean there's a quote that they

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00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: gave when they released Definitely Maybe where Noel was saying like, well,

1089
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: all we want to do is release an album. When

1090
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: we did that, now we're looking forward to a lie

1091
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: time of boredom. He said something like that. And it

1092
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: could have been easy. They wanted they formed a band

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00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: to get the hell out of Manchester, and they did that,

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00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: and yet Noel still tried to push beyond and it's

1095
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: something I'd be here now. I mean, we joke about

1096
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: how sort of overblown it is, but like trying different things,

1097
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: I think it was really laudable and even when they

1098
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: didn't work, it's still just making the effort gave the

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00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: UH their later era stuff in particular, more depth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And like you know, I think I have to do

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00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: is ask yourself, like what if Liam was your younger brother?

1102
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: But it's like, how well would you deal with that?

1103
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: I mean, just this irritant in your life for you know,

1104
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: from the time that you were a little kid. I

1105
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: think he was relatively patient with Liam for a really

1106
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: long time and it just got to a point where

1107
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: he couldn't take it anymore. And you know, again like

1108
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: if I put myself in this position, could I have

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00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: lasted that long in a band with someone like Liam Gallagher?

1110
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think Noel deserves some

1111
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: credit for that um switching over the pro Liam's hide,

1112
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, like I said earlier, as annoying as he

1113
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: can be as a brother, I'm sure to me he

1114
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: embodies the spirit of Oasis. You know, like in his

1115
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: prime he was young, dumb, strunk, and he was absolutely magnetic.

1116
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 1: You know. It's like it's frankly, what separates Oasis from

1117
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: every other britpop band. And you know, all due respect

1118
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: to Damon Alburn, I'm not I'm not taking it, but

1119
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: like Damon Alburn is not nearly as rock and roll

1120
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: as Liam Gallagher. He doesn't have the kind of swagger

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00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: that Liam Gallagher has, he doesn't have the kind of

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00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: presence that he has, and I think as a musician,

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00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: as a singer, Liam is underrated. I think at his

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00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: peak he was one of the great rock singers of

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00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: his time and he was able to communicate I think,

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00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: more emotional depth then uh he's given credit for. I mean,

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00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: go back to Definitely Maybe and listen to the song

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00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: slide Away. His vocal on the course of that song

1129
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: incredibly resonant and emotional and uh, and I think it

1130
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: just hits harder because it comes from the guy who's

1131
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: singing about cigarettes and alcohol and singing supersonic like. He

1132
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: can be that, but he can also show you a

1133
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: more tender side, uh that you maybe wouldn't expect so

1134
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: um as a frontman, I put him really high on

1135
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: my own list of a favorite frontman. And as much

1136
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: as like the Rain, the old Lean Gallagher man wouldn't

1137
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: have made it without bringing Noel Gallagher and becoming Oasis.

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00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: I think a band where Noel Gallagher was the frontman,

1139
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: or they had some other guy singing lead, they wouldn't

1140
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: have hit the height st Oasis dead. You know you

1141
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: needed that guy, that singer, uh for it to be Oasis.

1142
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean he could sell some truly terrible

1143
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,959
Speaker 1: Oasis lyrics too. I mean some might say the fishes

1144
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: because she's got dirty dishes on the brain and my

1145
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: dog has been itching itching in the kitchen once again,

1146
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: mean awful, awful. It's only a certain kind of guy

1147
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: I can sell that line, and Liam can. He makes

1148
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: it sound badass, it sounds awesome. He's like the personification

1149
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: of the band and everything it represents, you know what

1150
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: I mean. Like you said, I mean, Nol was happy

1151
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: just being a roady you know. He even though the

1152
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: fact that Liam couldn't write a song and really didn't

1153
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: have much musical talent to speak of. He he just

1154
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: wanted it so badly. Just by sheer force of will

1155
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: and attitude, he sort of willed this band into existence.

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01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree, he is the spirit of Oasis.

1157
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: So bringing these guys together and you know, we've hit

1158
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: upon this time and again in this episode. But I

1159
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: think it's clear that they're worth more than the some

1160
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: of the parts. You know that what made always this

1161
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: work and what drew fans like me into the band

1162
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: was the tension between these guys, the very real tension

1163
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: of them arguing all the time, and also the tension

1164
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: of what they represented, the idea of of of chaos

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01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: and order pushing up against each other constantly. And if

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01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: it were just one, the band would be either spun

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01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: out of control or they would have been a boring

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01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: britpop band that we don't care about anymore. But because

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01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: they had both, that is what makes a waste of

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01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: special and it's what for me brings me back to

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01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: their great records time and again. Um And I think

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01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: they do hold up. And even if these guys never

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01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: played together again, I think what they created together will

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01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: stand up as like the defining British rock of the nineties.

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01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes it feels like they're playing the long con in

1176
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: this feud is just like a way to hook us

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01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: all in for some you know, inevitable reunion toward bonanza,

1178
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: which you know allow Do you think that that on

1179
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: some level they actually really like each other. You know,

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01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: I think the animosity is genuine, um, but it's hard

1181
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: for me to believe that they won't eventually reunite, you know,

1182
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: Like I saw Liam Gallagher play a solo gig a

1183
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: couple of years ago at First Avenue in Minneapolis, and

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01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: it was a great show. But I couldn't help but

1185
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: think that across the street is the Target Center, which

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01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: is like a seed arena, which I'm pretty sure Oways

1187
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: has played there back in the past. And it was

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01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: just like, Oasis needs to be in this building, you know,

1189
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: Liam gallaghery needs to be in this building. And I'm

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01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: sure like Liam in his own mind thinks that no

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01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: one might have a harder time coming around to that.

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01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: But you can't run away from your destiny. I feel

1193
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: like this is their destiny, and as difficult as it is,

1194
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, the burden of being an oasis, you know,

1195
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: maybe they can suffer through the inevitable, you know, millions

1196
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: and millions of dollars that they will be paid to

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01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: get together. You know, when that finally happens, no Liam,

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01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: get back together like each other, but not too much, yes,

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01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: and and don't look back in anger, Liam and Noel,

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01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, because maybe you're gonna be the only ones

1201
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: who save each other. I think that's fair to say.

1202
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: That's you know, like again, like that line's stands out.

1203
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: That's why that stands out. It's a powerful line, and

1204
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: I think it applies to these guys, So make it happen. Guys, Stephen,

1205
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: you and I are gonna live forever. Yes, we're gonna

1206
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: live forever. Man. We're definitely live until next week when

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01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: we do another episode of Rivals. So please tune in

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Speaker 1: at that time for our next episode, and uh, we'll

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01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: talk at you guys next week, and that's the end.

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Speaker 1: Rivals is a production of I Heart Radio. The executive

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Speaker 1: producers are Shawn ty Toone and Noel Brown. Supervising producers

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01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,840
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