1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Hey, guy, idea that normally the show a normal it 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: takes for one years getting leaded. 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: I am Mary Katherine Man. 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 3: And I'm Carol Markowitz. How are you? Mary Catherine? 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm all right. You know, we're down to the wire here. 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: We're getting really are we really? 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 2: Really are? 8 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 3: Can I tell you about it? 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: This is such a random little exchange I saw yesterday, 10 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 2: but it made me feel better about the world. I 11 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: was picking up food from a really popular restaurant near us, 12 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: so it was like popping buzzing, the bars packed, and 13 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: as I'm waiting for my order, the bartender comes over 14 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: to these two and I hate to describe it this way, 15 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: but it's necessary, really nondescript late forties early fifties women 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: and says, hey, those two men at the end of 17 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: the bar send I want to send you drinks. And 18 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: they were like, great, let's white wine. Their normalcy about it, 19 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: how like it was completely an unexpected thing that happens 20 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: to them. 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: It made me feel better about the world. 22 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: We are still like having interactions at a random bar. 23 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: On a Tuesday night, you know, and I love it. 24 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: It makes me remember that stuff exists outside. 25 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: Of our Yes, it is important to engage in that. 26 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: I also went to a very I went to a 27 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: lovely Christmas themed dinner party last night hosted by a 28 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: friend who I generally like. We've talked about I'm a 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: nervous host, and she's very much not. She's just a 30 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: natural host. It's like she's great at it. Everything looks amazing, 31 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: everything tastes amazing, and I just marvel at it, particularly 32 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: in mid December, that you put that together, can show 33 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: up like, hey, thank you. 34 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 4: I brought something. But you know what I'm saying, Yeah, 35 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 4: I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, so good, good 36 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 4: on those folks. I love it for allowing us to 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 4: have real life interactions. Maybe be like them in the 38 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 4: new year. 39 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: Everybody who later. 40 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: Expecting a Hanakok card from me, that'll be around early January. 41 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: We'll look out for it. Mine mine got in the mail. 42 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: My spur of the moment cards got in the mail. 43 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: So we do our best here, Mary Catherine, we are 44 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: we do so. 45 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: The only story in the world right now seems to 46 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: be Susie Wiles gave a very expansive interview, actually many 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: many interview, many interviews to Vanity Fair. 48 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: And they burned her bed. 49 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: No, so Susie Wiles is the famously the chief of 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: staff of the White House. She famously wrangled Donald Trump 51 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: and his large personality into winning the twenty twenty four election. 52 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: She is often credited with being a person that she 53 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: and goes to. She's a badass. She is a serious 54 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: and smart and tough person. And I'm very surprised. 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 3: I am shocked. 56 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 2: It's like you're looking for the three D D chess 57 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: here because you're like, what is going on? She said 58 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: things that were yes, yes, of course, taken out of context. 59 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 2: She referred to Trump as having a personality of an alcoholic, 60 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: which is, you know, additionally crazy because he doesn't drink. 61 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: But you know what's interesting is that the interview comes 62 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 2: off as she is. She's definitely not negative on these people, 63 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: like she calls Vans a conspiracy theorist. But it's all 64 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: like in passing, almost like she did get taken in 65 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: by the interviewer and they became chummy and she let 66 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 2: her guard down. Yes, so everybody has a hard time 67 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: imagining that for some whiles. 68 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: So here's the condensed version, which, again a lot of 69 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: these snippets do have more contexts that make them less negative, 70 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: but This is the New York Times summarizing mister Trump 71 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: quote has an alcoholics personality. Vice President Jady Vance quote 72 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: has been a conspiracy theorist for a decade, and his 73 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: conversion from Trump critic to ally was based not on 74 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: principle but was quote sort of political. 75 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: That one was tough. Yeah. 76 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: Elon Musk is quote an avowed Kenemine user in an odd, 77 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: odd duck. 78 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 4: I don't think he would being Yeah, everyone's like that one. 79 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: Tracks yep Russell vote the budget director is a right 80 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: wing absolute zide. She would yeah say amen, yes. And 81 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: Attorney General Pambondi quote completely whiffed in handling the Epstein files. 82 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: You'll notice who's not mentioned in there. Who's not mentioned 83 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio who she mentioned him briefly. 84 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 3: She said that, Yeah. 85 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: She said that his conversion to Trump was ideological as 86 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: opposed to Vance's. 87 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: Who was political. 88 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: Yes, so we used like shive dance a little bit. 89 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: And he also all of his quotes are basically normy throughout. 90 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: He does not act a fool once during all of 91 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: these interviews. Yea, I have there's a couple possible theories 92 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: for what went down here. She sat for eleven interviews 93 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: with a guy who writes for Vanity Fair is also 94 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: a historian of sorts of about. This is a beat 95 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: about White House chiefs of staff. Vanity Fair does spend 96 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: time with I think every administration. I would guess that 97 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: Biden's people didn't let them get nearly this quote close 98 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: to them. There is a downside to access, and now 99 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: you are seeing it. So she did eleven interviews. What's 100 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: interesting to me is like, so you could wonder, like, 101 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: is she planning an exit and she's just sort of yeah, 102 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: putting her betting her flag in the ground. But then 103 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: this is not a retrospective interview, right, these were happening 104 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: as was this real time was unfolding, as crises were happening. 105 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: So she's being interview while it's happening. I guess you 106 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: could hypothesize that she's sending public shots because Trump is 107 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: not listening to her privately in the way that she 108 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: would wish. 109 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: That's a possibility, that doesn't it well, But okay. 110 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes he does listen to media instead of inside the house. 111 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: But yes, it does feel to me like she just 112 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: had a reporter friend, like right, like she got close 113 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: to this guy. He was around a lot. He's like 114 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: a reality TV camera. He's just there and then you 115 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: just get a little loose. 116 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: Lipped, and it happens to people all the time. It 117 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: just it's shocking that it happened to her. She just 118 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 2: seems like above that somehow, like the kind of person 119 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: that wouldn't get taken in by somebody being chummy. 120 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: I don't know what other way to. 121 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: Explain it, but you're right about Rubio, and you know, 122 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: we talk about you and I are Rubio supporters in 123 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. He is just the adult in every room 124 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: and I love it. 125 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: It's awesome. 126 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: Also, as we're recording this, we're not going to get 127 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: into it on the show, but Trump is delivering an 128 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: address today and everybody's kind of guessing what he's talking about, 129 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: and a lot of jokes around, like he's going to 130 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 2: make Rubio president of Venezuela, you. 131 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: Know, because Rubio is the reliable guy. 132 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: Susie Wills's statement on X was the article published earlier 133 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: this morning is a disingenuously framed hit piece on me 134 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: and the finest resident White House staff and cabinet in history. 135 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: Significant contest context was disregarded, and much of what I 136 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: and others said about the team, and the president was 137 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: left out of the story. I assume after reading it 138 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: this was done to paint and overwhelmingly chaotic and negative 139 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: narrative about the President and our team. The truth is 140 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: the Trump White House has already accomplished more in eleven 141 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: months than any other president has accomplished in eight years. 142 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: And that is due to the unmatched leadership and vision 143 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: of President Trump, for whom I have been honored work 144 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: better part of a decade. None of this will stop 145 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: our relentless pursuit of making America great again. Here's the thing. Yes, 146 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: it was done to paint and overwhelmingly chaots regative narrative 147 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: about the President and our team. But we all know 148 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: that as right of center figures going into interviews, do 149 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: we not? 150 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: We sure do? We really do? 151 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: And you know, beyond just what the words, when you 152 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: give an interview to Vanity Fair, you can be sure 153 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: they're going to use the worst pictures ever taken. 154 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: I mean, Caroline Leave. 155 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: It is a very attractive woman and they did a 156 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: close up of her face that shows every single pore 157 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: on it. And it's like, yes, they don't do this 158 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: to democrats. 159 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: They just don't it's actually sort of perfect for our 160 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: meta age that there is a and this part really 161 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: is doing someone dirty. Like they put together this photo shoot, 162 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: which is the normal photo shoot for a vanity fair thing, 163 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: but they basically parodied their own photoshoots because when you 164 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: do it for a democrat, it's like, oh, we're all 165 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: very serious, they're all very powerful, we're sitting on the desk. 166 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: They basically make a mockery of that self serious photo 167 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: session because they don't believe that this administration should be 168 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: treated seriously or get flattering photos. Then they write a 169 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: piece making fun of the people they called in to 170 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: do their photo shoot. 171 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 172 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a whole piece talking about how, oh they 173 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: were uncomfortable sitting on the edge of the desk. You're 174 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: the photographer. Yeah, and now it again once again. It 175 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: is the job of the principle to know how they 176 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: might be cared in these situations, right, But I just 177 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: that part really did bug me. 178 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you're all going to be treated fairly. 179 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you called them in for a photo shoot, 180 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: they're doing the thing you're telling them to do as 181 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: the artiste here, and then you turn in portraits that 182 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: are just like obviously meant to trash. Everyone wouldn't. I 183 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: would note that Marco Rubio's were the least. Yes, he 184 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: looks great, problematic, Yeah, he's he's like looking out the 185 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: window to the future. He is, he has done less dirty. 186 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 187 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 2: He did say in the piece something that he has 188 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: said before, which is that if Vance is running, he's 189 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: not going to run in twenty twenty eight. If Vance 190 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: is running, of course, there's a long time between now 191 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: and then. 192 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: Lots of things can happen, you know, we'll see. 193 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: It is interesting though, because she she hit on all 194 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: sorts of vulnerabilities and things that have been in the press. 195 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: She talked about mistakes made during deportations. Oh yeah, she 196 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: talked about how she basically she's very open about you know, 197 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: I basically said, your retribution tour is ninety days long, 198 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: and he was like, no, I want it to be longer. 199 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't know that was so bad. I was 200 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: cringing so hard for all of that. 201 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing is she makes further points, 202 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: which are in the piece, about how, yeah, you could 203 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: see it as retribution, but these people actually did something 204 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: wrong and what he's trying to do is prevent them 205 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: from doing wrong things to other people, right, right, And 206 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: some of that is legit. It's just a way that 207 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: she is framing it is very problematic yeap for the 208 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: person she works for. 209 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, really odd and surprising. 210 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: I will say that Vance was asked about it yesterday 211 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: and he did, but I think is a fantastic job 212 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 2: of beating it back. 213 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 3: Let's hear what he says and then discuss it. 214 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 5: Well. First of all, if Susie is like, I'll trust, 215 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 5: I'll trust what you said, I haven't looked at the article. 216 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 5: I of course have heard about it. But conspiracy theorist 217 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 5: sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe 218 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 5: in the conspiracy theories that are true. And by the way, 219 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 5: Susie and I have joked in private and in public 220 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 5: about that for a long time. For example, I believed 221 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 5: in the crazy conspiracy theory back in twenty twenty that 222 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 5: it was stupid to mask three year olds at the 223 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 5: height of the COVID pandemic, that we should actually let 224 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 5: them develop some language skills. You know. I believed in 225 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 5: this crazy conspiracy theory that the media and the government 226 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 5: were covering up the fact that Joe Biden was clearly 227 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 5: unable to do the job. And I believed in the 228 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 5: conspiracy theory that Joe Biden was trying to throw his 229 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 5: political opponents in jail rather than win an argument against 230 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 5: this political opponent's So, at least on some of these 231 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 5: conspiracy theories, turns out that a conspiracy theory is just 232 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 5: something that was true six months before the media admitted it. 233 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 5: And that's that's my understanding. 234 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: Stellar response, extremely clever, very on his toes. 235 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: Also knew exactly what was in this article, Yeah. 236 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: Right, I'll just assume that I haven't read it. Yeah right. 237 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: So you know, I think that that was a really 238 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: fantastic response by him, having said that he's bestie Tucker 239 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: Carlson is you know, pushing a lot of other conspiracy theories, 240 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: and because of their close relationship, because Tucker Son works 241 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 2: for him, because the Advance goes out of his way 242 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: to really stick up for Tucker, He's going to be 243 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: asked things for the next four years like who did 244 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: nine to eleven? 245 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: You know, questions similar to that. 246 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: So I feel like that's going to be an issue 247 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: for him, Susie painting him as a conspiracy theorist. He 248 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: did a you know, again, great job beating that back 249 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: for now, But you know, were Egyptian planes following a Kirk? 250 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: All these things that Tucker brings up are going to 251 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: be at Vance's feet. And he started answering those. 252 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a clever answer and the true answer 253 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: right that He's right, a bunch of conspiracy theories did 254 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: end up being true. And unfortunately, because so many people 255 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: lied for so long about so many large things, that's it. 256 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: The trust deficit is so bad that the Egyptian plane 257 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: stories and the who did nine to eleven gain ground 258 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: because no one knows if they can trust official sources 259 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: and official institutions right right, So there, like there's a 260 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: cell phone from the left on many of these things 261 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: where you create more conspiracy theorists. And it is our 262 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: job and a tough one to like draw lines and 263 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: say this is what's real and this is what's not. 264 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: So I think it's a clever, it's a way to 265 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: answer this. I also think it reflects you know, he says, 266 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: they joke around about this. I'm sure they do. 267 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 3: I'm sure they too. Yeah. 268 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: Jd. Vance is throughout this profile and Vanity fair frequently 269 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: self deprecating. He knows exactly what the hits on him are, 270 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: and he turns them into jokes, which is the correct 271 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: way to handle them. I have no doubt that her 272 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: labeling of him as that is partly a joke. And 273 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: there's a there's a part right at the end where 274 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: Vance is talking to the photographer and he says The 275 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: New York Times characterizes it as the underlying tension came 276 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: through when mister Vance posed for the magazine's photographer. I'll 277 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: give you a one hundred bucks for every person you 278 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: make look really shitty compared to me, mister Vance joked, 279 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: and a thousand if it's Marco. 280 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: That's funny. 281 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: It's just a joke, yeah, and it's it is a 282 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: joke about a thing that is happening, and he's very 283 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: good at sort of diffusing right in that way. And 284 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: to treat it so seriously, I think is a mistake, 285 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: and is often the mistake that press makes with Trump 286 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: and with others in this administration, is like, sometimes not 287 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: every single thing that comes out of their mouths should 288 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: be treated as a very serious statement about the future 289 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: of the party. You know, he's just goofing in a 290 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: photo shoot. 291 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: So clearly a joke. 292 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: And they're like the tension like there was no tension, 293 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: like stop it, stop it. 294 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: Also, I wanted to note two important things. One that 295 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: Wiles said, if there were to be land strikes in Venezuela, 296 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: if he were to authorize some activity on land, then 297 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: you'd have to then it's war. Then Congress would have 298 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: to authorize. So I thought that was an interesting line 299 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: laid down for the future should be I'm. 300 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: Not sure why she did that to him, but. 301 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: Okay, gonna be something that's going to come back up, 302 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: and then I have it marked. I'll read out the 303 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: whole alcoholics personality part, because I do think she was 304 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: making a larger point. She attributes her ability to work 305 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: for mister Trump to growing up with an alcoholic father. 306 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: The sportscaster Pat Summer all high functioning alcoholics. This is 307 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: her how high functioning alcoholics are. Alcoholics in general, their 308 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: personalities are exaggerated when they drink, she said, And so 309 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of an expert in big personalities 310 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: while mister Trump does not drink. The New York Times 311 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: goes on, she said, he has quote an alcoholics personality 312 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: with a quote a view that there's nothing he can't do. 313 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: So there was a larger, less problematic point she was making. Yes, Yeah, 314 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: but you can't deny that you said these things. You 315 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: can't deny that you sat for the interviews. You can't 316 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: run from this because it's all very frank, right, and. 317 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: We all know they're going to take us out of context, 318 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: like we know what's going to happen. 319 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: It's just the way it goes. 320 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: As my husband told me when my four year old 321 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: clocked me the other day, and it's just starting to 322 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: bruise a little bit. You can't leave yourself unprotected like that. 323 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: You got to know the environment you're working in. But yeah, 324 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: and the funny thing is when you say this was 325 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: designed to frame us as chaotic and problematic, you helped 326 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: frame it that way. 327 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: You did. 328 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: The fact that you talk too much led to this conclusion. 329 00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: That's what happened. 330 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: So that's that's an interesting one. 331 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 5: All Right. 332 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: We're going to take a sharp break and be right 333 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 2: back with more on normally. 334 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: All right, coming back on normally with talking about some 335 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: former conspiracy theories. Actually, jd Vance in that clip that 336 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: we played made reference to the idea that perhaps some 337 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: of those prosecutions of Donald Trump were not on the 338 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: up and up and maybe we're a little bit aggressive 339 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: and political, And in fact there is new evidence of 340 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: that from Fox News Digital, Brooks Singmann reports this is 341 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: FBI doubted probable cause for mar A Lago raid, but 342 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: pushed forward amid pressure from Biden. Doj emails reveal all. 343 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 3: That never happens. 344 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the August twenty two raid of mar 345 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: A Lago, which my position at the time was, Wow, 346 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: this is a lot. I feel like they could be 347 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: having these conversations without sending having a search warrant, doing 348 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: a raid, and you know, the doesn't look great, doesn't 349 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: feel good, doesn't And I also thought there was evidence 350 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: that he did have stuff he shouldn't have and that 351 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: he should give it back right. Well, it turns out 352 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: that the FBI agreed with me at the time, saying 353 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: very little has been developed related to who might be 354 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: culpable from mis handling the documents. An FBI official serving 355 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: as an assistant Special Agent in charge wrote to another 356 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 1: FBI official quote from the interviews. WFO Washington Field Office, 357 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: which is the regional office, has been drafting a search 358 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: warrant Affidavid related to these potential boxes at mar A Lago, 359 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: but has some concerns that the information is single source, 360 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: has not been corroborated, and maybe dated. Doj opines, however, 361 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: that they meet the probable cause standard even as we 362 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: continue down the path towards a search warrant. WFO believes 363 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: that a reasonable conversation with the former president's attorney stating 364 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: that FBI and DJ are readying a search warrant and 365 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: have developed information that there are more documents that Mark 366 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: ought not to be discounted. And there's back and forth, 367 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth with folks at CFO 368 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: trying to be professional and saying, I don't think this 369 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: is the way. It doesn't seem like we have the dirt, guys, 370 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: and DJ is like, nah, run with it. 371 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: Right, all good here? Yeah, you know. 372 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: I look back at that time and I pinpoint that 373 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 2: as the time where Trump was going to win reelection. 374 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: I think this is what led to it. I remember 375 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: my own feelings, like it's hard to remember Donald Trump 376 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: sort of at of the news, but that's where he was. 377 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: He was in the background. I really didn't think he 378 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: would run again. I had seen him at mar A 379 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 2: Lago and he seemed really happy and content, and I 380 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: was like, I don't know. 381 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 3: I think this guy's done, and then this happens, and. 382 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: I remember my own they raided Milania's closet, Like it 383 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: just suddenly, like everything that he said about how unfair 384 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: he was treated and how law enforcement was used against him, 385 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 2: and just all of that came into really focus for me, 386 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: and I think it did for a lot of other 387 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: people too. 388 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 3: I think that people saw him as. 389 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: Really being unfairly beaten up by the system and by 390 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: the Democrats. So I think that this raid led directly 391 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: to his reelection. 392 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's Operation Crossfire Hurricane all over again, which 393 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,479 Speaker 1: is a bunch of politicals at the top of DJ 394 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: who have partisan ends are like, we don't like this guy, 395 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: this guy's bad, just don't like him. We're going to 396 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: end this guy, and here's how we're going to do it. 397 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: And there's a combination of stretching evidence, making up things, 398 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: putting things in documentation that are not true, being extremely 399 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: heavy handed, and it is all with the end almost 400 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: confessed on paper in writing that the point is to 401 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: be done with Donald Trump. And you're letting your politics 402 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: lead you to quote unquote evidence. And again I think 403 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: I think there was real evidence that he that he 404 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,239 Speaker 1: has stuff there he shouldn't have, right that we all 405 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: knew that that maybe arguably should have been other places 406 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: just of Biden. Maybe Yesh says it right, Right, you 407 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: have the conversation, you don't do the raid, which is 408 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: what FBI was saying throughout, and they just in all 409 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: these emails are saying, we're getting draft after draft after 410 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: draft from DJ. We're telling them that this is bad. 411 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: DJ's telling this they don't give a damn about the optics. 412 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I mean, it's like exactly as you 413 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: would imagine it is how it went down in writing. 414 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: That's right. 415 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: It's crazy that it's all in there that I don't 416 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 2: give a damn about optics. Is it's really something They 417 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: wanted these optics, right, They wanted to have a raid 418 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 2: at his house. They wanted to make it seem like 419 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: this man had done something that deserved this. 420 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 3: There's no evidence at all that he did well. 421 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: And then the FBI further stipulates, like we want to 422 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: have in mind of officers safe to the optics of 423 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: the search, and the desire to conduct this search in 424 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: a professional and low key manner. There is a far 425 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: better chance execution will go more smoothly, and we may 426 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: actually gain some measure of cooperation which could go some 427 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: way to resolving the mishandling of classified record as investigation 428 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: that is being conducted. I understand this request may not 429 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: go well at DOJ. However, it is the FBI serving 430 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: and executing the warrant, and it will be our personnel 431 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: who will have to deal to reaction to that first contact. 432 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 3: They did not want this. 433 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: In bureaucratic speak, it's all. 434 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: Of them just begging DOJ please, don't please, please? 435 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: Can we not do this? Yeah? And you know, probable 436 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: cause is actually pretty important. 437 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 3: You really, I've heard about that. 438 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: I think that's what they say, that probable cause actually 439 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: matters well. 440 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: And there are many ways that search warrants can be executed, 441 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: many ways that these things can be done. There's a 442 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: whole scale of like depending on cooperation, how they're done. 443 00:22:54,680 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: And they're arguing, rightly, this is the formal president, let's cooperate. Yeah, 444 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: let's be low key, and Biden Dej's like, we will 445 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: not be low key, right. 446 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 2: Because again they wanted the headlines and that's what they 447 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: got and that's what led. 448 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 3: You know, I'd say to Trump, I think. 449 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: I do think part of that was You're right that 450 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: that turned in a way and made people go rating 451 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: his house. This is, this is above and beyond, it's 452 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: over the line. They're they're making up charges in New 453 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: York that they've never used before, right right, all of that, 454 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: and it made people more supportive of him rather than less. 455 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: I definitely became more defensive of Donald Trump after that, 456 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 2: and I know I know I'm not alone in that. 457 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: Well, you made good job, guys, good job, good job. 458 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more on normally and a light. 459 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 2: Topic to let you head off into the holidays in peace. 460 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: We are back on normally, where you may have heard 461 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: the six or seven times six seven, and. 462 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 3: Then you do the I know, the little hand motion 463 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 3: that goes. 464 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: There because my son, who is three almost three, his 465 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: cousins taught him. 466 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 3: So he's going talking around the house doing sixty seven. 467 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 2: So I wrote about six seven in Wall Street Journal's 468 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 2: new Opinion newsletter. It's out if you're listening to this 469 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: on Thursday. It's out in yesterday's. 470 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 3: Newsletter about let the kids have. 471 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: The six seven. Why are adults so annoyed at it? 472 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: It's really it almost makes no sense to me how 473 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,239 Speaker 2: irritated adults seem to be about this whole thing. And 474 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 2: I write my defense of it. I say, six seven. Yes, 475 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: it's annoying, Yes it's dumb. Yes it doesn't mean anything. 476 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 2: But it's also an offline phenomenon which. 477 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: We say we want. 478 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: Right, you can't sit alone in a room to a 479 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: screen being like six seven. 480 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: It's true. It's a communal activity. 481 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: Now, Yes, it's something that brings these kids together. It's 482 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: not divided by like the jocks do it or the 483 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: nerds do it. 484 00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 3: Everybody does it. 485 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 2: They have fun together, something that connects them, and that 486 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 2: connection is something that we should approve of and foster, 487 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: even if it is a touch annoying. 488 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not that annoyed by it. And I feel like, 489 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: now that I know about it, surely it will be 490 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: dead soon. That's the thing. 491 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: Once wear's on it, that's it. 492 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: Because I'm an old But I do like seeing the 493 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: videos of kids at basketball games waiting for the score 494 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: to hit six seven and they all explode. And you're right, 495 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: you don't have to be like a jock to enjoy it. 496 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: You don't have to be in any group. For everyone. 497 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: It originated with a scrilla song that was over overlaid 498 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: on some tiktoks, and of course that's how all these 499 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: things are born these days. And then it got overlaid 500 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: by on a basketball commentator commenting that someone was six 501 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: seven in a sort of a funny lilt that he 502 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: said it, and then it just evolved in this thing. Yeah, 503 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: it means, it does mean absolutely nothing. 504 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 3: It's a meme about nothing. As I say in my. 505 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 2: Piece, yeah, well did you see that the Baylor women's 506 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: basketball team game where the six seventh thing happened? I 507 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: couldn't help but like, big smile, and I don't care 508 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: about Alabama State or Baylor or women's basketball or any 509 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 2: of it. 510 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 3: But I write in the piece the score was sixty 511 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 3: four twenty four. 512 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: Baylor sophomore goes to the free throw line for three shots, 513 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 2: and like, she gets the first one, then she gets 514 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: the second one, and then she gets the third one, 515 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: and the whole place erupts, and it's so fun, and 516 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: you know, just you're in on a joke and it's great. 517 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: It's also, we don't have a monoculture anymore, right, I 518 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: say that, Yeah, is six seven are monoculture? It might be, right, 519 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: we gotta take what we can get, guys, exactly right. 520 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 2: We don't have the super Bowl, the movie yeah, or 521 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: the shows that everybody watches, or the music that people 522 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 2: listen to. 523 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. We don't have any of that, and that is 524 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 3: this is great. Let the kids have it. Let the 525 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 3: kids have it. Enjoy your sixty seven guys. Well, thank 526 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 3: you for joining us on normally. 527 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere 528 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 2: you get your podcasts. 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