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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast can throw from a muddied pocket.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Round the League Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansons, and I'm joined by a

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Speaker 1: room filled with some heroes, Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal

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Speaker 1: What Up Boys? In the return of What Up Boys?

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Speaker 1: Ye mention it. Yes, I was hoping. I was listening, um,

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Speaker 1: and I was hoping Greg you were gonna drop with

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Speaker 1: What Up Boys. I have to be honest, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: totally intentional. You know, I know how it feels in

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Speaker 1: the host chair. You got a lot going on, You're

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Speaker 1: thinking about different things. You know that, And I'm glad

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I would like to point out sometimes I'll

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Speaker 1: make a point that someone made thirty seconds earlier, and

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Speaker 1: I get called out for not listening to anyone. But

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's it's me going through notes or clicking through something,

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out where to take the show next.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a fair point. And after Yester, we

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Speaker 1: missed you yesterday and we we had to believe you

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Speaker 1: learn from now on was that we have an appreciation

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Speaker 1: for what you bring to the table. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I also got some shade, some heat from our boss

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Speaker 1: on my performance as the host, so we needed you.

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Speaker 1: That seemed a little tongue in cheek, but yes he did.

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Speaker 1: He did roll over and make a few comments. I

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Speaker 1: can take it. Hey, we're here, us, we are, um alright,

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Speaker 1: So obviously YouTube gentlemen are heading to Indianapolis for the

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Speaker 1: NFL scouting Combine. Mark Sessler will join you. I will

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Speaker 1: be holding down the fort. Everybody's getting excited. The thing

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Speaker 1: that I'm missing the most because Greg, you essentially offered

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Speaker 1: me the choice of going to combine or the draft.

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Speaker 1: I'd like the draft, you know. I like going to

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Speaker 1: New York. I like Radio City. This is how I'm

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Speaker 1: rationalizing it, because so one thing I really miss is

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling this week and it will happen in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Turns forty years old. That's true. That's a big one, Yes,

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Speaker 1: looking down the barrel of age. And um, coincidentally, uh,

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal turns thirty five years old the same day.

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Speaker 1: Another non fact something about exactly five days, five years apart,

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Speaker 1: the same day NFL a t L ties. And then

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Speaker 1: this stuff. Um, I was born on April Night, the

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Speaker 1: that get excited society? It's eerie. There's something to that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe West and I had, you know when I first

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Speaker 1: uh learned of West on some strange football message board,

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Speaker 1: writing seven thousand words screeds about not much change of

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Speaker 1: Kerry Culvert's UH dynasty value in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: I just I felt a kindred spirit. Same birthday. Both

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Speaker 1: straddle that line between Pike's and Aquarius um. And of

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Speaker 1: course forty comes with its its own burden and baggage.

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Speaker 1: Even Jet Apatow rode in over long and boring movie

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Speaker 1: But thirty five, Greg, you know that's pretty old. You're

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Speaker 1: not in your early thirties anymore, and you know it's

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Speaker 1: heading towards a dark path. I'm right behind you. But well,

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Speaker 1: if you noticed, I did something different. For the hair

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Speaker 1: is going again. I mean it looks good, but I

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Speaker 1: some places. So the experiments over, well, I like that

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Speaker 1: Once I got a decent job and stuff, and all

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Speaker 1: my other friends in New York, you know, they called

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Speaker 1: So I'm just catching up. Oh. I thought you're gonna

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Speaker 1: But we'll just tell you that it was boring without you. See.

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Speaker 1: going to continue our off season forecast. We've got too

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Speaker 1: related for sure. Greg, you have a post up on

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Speaker 1: of that, let's start the gold stand behind the glass.

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Speaker 1: How are you, buddy? Yeah? Doing great? Thanks? Have you

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Speaker 1: shaken off the effects I haven't spoken to you since

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Speaker 1: deal with my own mediocrity. But we've we've really retooled

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Speaker 1: this elimination chamber. It's going to be unlike anything you've

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Speaker 1: mirror every day. It's been a life. If there is

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Speaker 1: a silver lining the poor performance of your previous contestants

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Speaker 1: elimination chamber for next time. I've their their names are down.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with Eric Decker. Um. Decker appeared on Serious

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Speaker 1: his family. Greg, I want you to translate that for me.

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Speaker 1: because if any family doesn't need more money, it's his

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Speaker 1: Eric Decker over the last three years. Touchdowns are not

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Speaker 1: And if Brian Hartline's worth six million, Decker's worth ten million.

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Speaker 1: moving forward. Chris Westling, I bet you a elaborate sandwich

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. Those are probably the highlights of the other cuts.

424
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Speaker 1: And I think those those guys that mentioned are all

425
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 1: pretty safe guys to get cut. It is funny like

426
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: going back to Damiko Ryan's and you know when you

427
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: mentioned Courtland Finnigan, how year to year this league is

428
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: that these guys can go from keys to the roster

429
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 1: to potentially not even part of the equation. I didn't

430
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Speaker 1: even mention Thomas day Coude, who was a pro bowler

431
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: last year, and I think he's very likely to get

432
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: caught by the Atlanta Falcons. So I mean that speaks

433
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Speaker 1: to what you're saying. It's year to year. One year

434
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,239
Speaker 1: you probably got a little too much credit because your

435
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: team went to the playoffs, and the next year you're

436
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: on the street a t l similar though, I feel like, yeah,

437
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: it's very it's almost week to week. You could you're

438
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 1: in good standing, you could be gone. You never know.

439
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: Why do you think Sessler's not here today? I think

440
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: we know. Um, alright, moving on, We're gonna continue to

441
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: roll through our off season forecasts. Um as we teased earlier,

442
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: too prominent teams. One good, one, one not very good.

443
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: One involves softball pants west do you want to start there? Wow,

444
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: blast from the past there, I heard that. I know.

445
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: So the Oakland Raiders Chris Westling obviously are coming off

446
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: you had another down year. Um, but the salary cap,

447
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: salary cap. Hell, they're starting to get out of that.

448
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: And is it a brighter tomorrow? Well, relatively yes. They

449
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: have more salary caps. You see how I said brighter

450
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: tomorrow and this is the off season forecast. Let's see

451
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: what you did there. You tied it all together. They

452
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: have more salary cap space than anybody in the NFL. Oh,

453
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: they also have probably more holes to fill than anybody

454
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: in the NFL because they they're best players are free agents.

455
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: Jared Veldier is the most valuable offensive player left tackle

456
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: candidate for the franchise tag. Lamar Houston is the best

457
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: defensive player defensive end. Uh. Darren McFadden had a couple

458
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: of disappointing years, but arguably the most talented player on

459
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: the roster arguably. I don't like that word. Arguably. You

460
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: can throw arguably in front of anything. Just say it

461
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 1: West if you feel let's say it. I do think

462
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: he's the most talented player in the bang. I think

463
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Speaker 1: if if he goes to Hugh Jackson system, he probably

464
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: do do much better. At some point. Doesn't talent get

465
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Speaker 1: exposed as not that talent? I've heard Darren McFadden is

466
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Speaker 1: so talented for so long. Don't we need evidence of this.

467
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not that talented, maybe everyone's been wrong the

468
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: whole time eleven or evidence. He had one great year

469
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: so did no Sean Moraine. It doesn't mean he's that talented.

470
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Speaker 1: I also, Marino and Darren McFadden's years we're a lot different.

471
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: You know what. The difference between the two of him is,

472
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 1: Marino makes people miss every now and then. You know,

473
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: McFadden's great years, he made people miss Marino does. Marino

474
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: plays with Peyton Manning. I didn't like. I didn't like

475
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: that McFadden blamed his down two thousand twelve season on

476
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: the offensive scheme and then the next year did nothing

477
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: in a scheme that was supposedly a match for his talents.

478
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: So I I you know, there's a lot of evidence

479
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: pointing pointing us to this guy is not as great

480
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: as maybe we thought he was. I agree with it.

481
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't seem like a natural runner or

482
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: player compared to the guys like Gore or Lynch or

483
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: the running back to do it every year who seems

484
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: to have an instinct for the game, McFadden does not

485
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: seem to have. He could be a good Bye Low candidate,

486
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a team like the Giants or someone

487
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: that wants to split carry that gets McFadden. That would

488
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: work out nicely. But that's about it. So I'm just

489
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: saying two thousand and ten, two thousand eleven did happen.

490
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Speaker 1: He was one of the best running backs in the

491
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Speaker 1: league during those two years when he was on the field. Well,

492
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: you have as your biggest free agents, um in your

493
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: rundown that's on the A t L blog, you have

494
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: uh veiled here Houston and McFadden slash rash Jennings. Would

495
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Speaker 1: that be the order in which you would say they

496
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: at you know, how important is they get brought back? Well,

497
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: mcfan's not coming back. Uh, they want Jennings back and

498
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: it would seem that to be able to work something

499
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Speaker 1: out with him. Yeah, I would say that's the order

500
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Speaker 1: of veld here in Houston are definitely the top two.

501
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: Why are you so confident that McFadden's not coming back

502
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: because Uh, mackenzie already said he's gonna let him test

503
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: the market and in the same sentence basically said we

504
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: want to resign Jennings. Fair answer. Who else is god?

505
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: This is good? Well, I could be just blowing smoke.

506
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: I would see that if you're just throwing that out there,

507
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know why you were sub convict. I didn't

508
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: know that. Thank you for keeping me on my toes.

509
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: So what to you? You say? This is a team

510
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: with a lot of holes. What do they need most

511
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: right now? Everything? They need a quarter act desperately. Their

512
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: offensive line is in tatters. The defense basically is a

513
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: bunch of a bunch of guys that they signed off

514
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: the street. Lets yeah, they signed him in the second

515
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: or third wave of free agency when nobody else wanted them.

516
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: That's how they fielded a viable starting lineup for most

517
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: of the year, which is why Dennis Allen did a

518
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: pretty good job I think overall, although it fell apart, well,

519
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: half of those guys are free agents again and the

520
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: other half aren't that good. So they need playmakers at

521
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: basically every level of their defense. And yet they're probably

522
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: gonna lose their best defensive player. Do you think they'll

523
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: lose Lamar Houston? I don't know, Uh money, why don't they?

524
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: Lamar Houston thinks they're gonna lose Lamar Houston. He thinks

525
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: that did you just talk about him in fourth person?

526
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: What is the fourth that's that that doesn't exist. Um

527
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: the universe collapses, they do itself. Person Lamar Houston thinks

528
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily a fit for Dennis Allen's game, that

529
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: they've always wanted different things out of him that he

530
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: maybe hasn't been able to deliver. He played awesome last year.

531
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: He's got a great mohawk haird thing going on. He

532
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: is about to make a lot of money. He is

533
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: the profile of a guy who no one really knows

534
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: about that much around the country and is about to

535
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: get thirty million dollars guaranteed or something crazy. He's gonna

536
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: do exactly what a Raiders defensive linement from last year

537
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: did Desmond Bryant something like that. Yeah, this or that

538
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: Tommy Kelly once did with the Raiders. This would be

539
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: my advice to to Lamar Houston. If you don't like

540
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: playing in Dennis sound System, take the massive paycheck from

541
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: the Raiders and then wait a year and you won't

542
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: be playing for Dennis Allen anymore. Wow. Well, that's not

543
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: like you're telling us that Dennis Ellen will be fired.

544
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: I feel like you just there's no more patience in

545
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: that building and they have so many holes. Even if

546
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: they have a great offseason, they're still they're still probably

547
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: gonna stink, and they're just they're gonna cand the guy.

548
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you believe in all that.

549
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: You just like that joke that you were setting up.

550
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: I can't it was that was not a joke. That

551
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: was hard hitting hashtag analysis. I can't wait to wager

552
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: my softball pants again next year knowing that Josh Freeman

553
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: will be starting for them on open Is that what

554
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: you think? What's the quarterback situation they need? They talked

555
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: about bringing in a veteran Josh Freeman. It's probably gonna

556
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: need a team to play for. And his former offensive

557
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: coordinator from the Bucks, Greg Olsen, is now the offensive

558
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: coordinator for the Raiders and has been an avowal Josh

559
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: Freeman fan. But Josh Freeman stinks. We don't know that.

560
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: We don't know that he was okay for a couple

561
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: of years in Tampa. Was he not? He was okay?

562
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: To last year? We thought he was okay. Wasn't he

563
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: very good one year? And then okay another year, and

564
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: then terrible another year and then benched last year. I

565
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: think your recollection is pretty much spot on. And then

566
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: he had the worst game in NFL history of the

567
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. That's the last thing I remember. I don't know,

568
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: I've seen some of Craig wheeler hands games. What he

569
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: is in Oakland is a big upgrade. Though. He's better

570
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: than Terrell Prior and Matt mcloyin, isn't he. I think

571
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: if if you throw a Freeman mcgloynan prior into a hat,

572
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: they would all have like three decent games all year,

573
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: and then the rest of the will be terrible. That's

574
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: a sad hat. You would end up a big hat.

575
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: They end up doing a merry go round. That would

576
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: be a carousel of awful quarterbacking. Well, this is uh,

577
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: this is Mackenzie's time. You know. They've talked, oh here

578
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: the pain of getting rid of all this salary cap stuff,

579
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: and we need picks, and we inherited a disaster and

580
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 1: blah blah blah for a couple of years. This is it.

581
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: They've got all the kapp room in the world, they

582
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: got all their picks. Let's do it, Reggie offseason, crystal

583
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: ball West. What are the big moves they make? I

584
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: don't know, That's not how a crystal ball works. You

585
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: look into it. They slapped the franchise tag on veld

586
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: here outbid everyone for Lamar Houston. Whatever impact defender is

587
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: still out there in the market that hasn't been franchise tag,

588
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: they'll probably make a play for him at some level

589
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: of defense. And uh, Freeman signed Josh Freeman recent in

590
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: Rochelle Jennings and draft a quarterback at some point. Maybe

591
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: it's not their first pick, but they have to draft another.

592
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: It seems like a Blake Boardles kind of place to go.

593
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: That's generous. Oh second, where I don't think I can

594
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: put softball pants on the line until we see what happens. Okay,

595
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: that's fair. If I had to. Where this team is

596
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 1: right now, it's a two win team. I like it.

597
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: We gotta be playing softball pants again year. Gotta do it.

598
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: Everybody on Twitter tell west that he needs to double

599
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: down on the softball pants. All right, let's move on

600
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: another Chris Westling joint. He wrote the Green Bay Packers

601
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: offseason forecast. Uh. The Packers, of course, snuck into the

602
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: playoffs then got knocked out. Ian Rapp Report reported last

603
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: week that they're going to make an aggressive play in

604
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: free agency to remake their defense. In the image of

605
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: their sixty year old defensive coordinators Um Westling pays lots

606
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: of oddly shaped bodies on the defensive one. It seems

607
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: it seems, you know, partly sunny with a chance of

608
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: thunderstorms in Green Bay. Accurate. Yes, now I'm going too

609
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: far with the forecast, Okay, gone. They have four pretty

610
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: talented free agents of the room b J Raji. Greg

611
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: does not think he's going to get the franchise tag,

612
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: nor do I, But when I thought about it, I

613
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if Sam Shields gets the franchise franchise tag.

614
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: Cornerbacks with four three speed who have shown they can

615
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: cover guys like a green get paid. But what about

616
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: uh b J. Rogie might not even be in their plan.

617
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: According to Rappaport, if they want to get lighter and

618
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: quicker on that D line, he's not a light quick man.

619
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Speaker 1: I think he's gone. I think you're right on Shields.

620
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: I read an article this morning that made me wish

621
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: I had put him in my franchise primer, because they

622
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: have so much They have so much cap room. Like

623
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: you said, they can't loose Shields. He's their best cornerback

624
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 1: and it goes by my theory there. You don't just

625
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: let young enough quality starters walk away. They would have

626
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: a lot of money tied up in cornerback. Because Trumm

627
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: Williams makes eight million a year. I think it's more

628
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: likely they get a long term deal done with Shields

629
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: because they like him a lot. James Jones is an

630
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: interesting other name. Is he a guy that ends up

631
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: getting paid big money. He's been a free agent before

632
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: and people weren't really that into him, and so he

633
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: kind of settled the return. Seems the Packers are willing

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Speaker 1: to try that same strategy again. Let him test the

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Speaker 1: market and see if he boomerangs back to them. But

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Speaker 1: I think as well as Jared Borke Boykin played in

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Speaker 1: the second half of last season, they have to be

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Speaker 1: confident in him as the third receiver. I like James Jones.

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Speaker 1: I know you told me he was as good as

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Speaker 1: Eric Decker. I stand by that. I like. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's even close. When you watch James Jones,

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Speaker 1: eat doesn't have great hands, which that's a factor for

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver that that's important, But everything else he

644
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Speaker 1: can do it. I mean, he's great after the catch,

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Speaker 1: He's tough, he's durable, it seems like a smart player.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a good guy to have. He would

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Speaker 1: be a guy I would look to as a nice value.

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Speaker 1: He's none of those things. Didn't have his best year,

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Speaker 1: but he's young and for the most part, over the

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00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: balance of his career, he's been good. I agree with it.

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Speaker 1: So West, what do you think this team needs more

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00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: than anything else. They need to rebuild their defense, like

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Speaker 1: you said in the image of their sixty three year

654
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: old coordinator with a bud Seli haircuft, but they need playmakers.

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Speaker 1: They need another pass rushier opposite Clay Matthews. They drafted

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Speaker 1: Nick Perry in the first round to be that guy.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't happened. They're gonna have to rebuild their defensive line.

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00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: We've talked about that, and they're gonna need a tight

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Speaker 1: end because Jamichael Finley probably isn't coming back. He thinks

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00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: he's coming back. He his agent keeps putting it out

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00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: there that he's certain to heal from this spinal fuse

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00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: and surgery. However, he underwent spinal fusion surgery, so that

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00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: that's a tough thing for a football player to deal with.

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Speaker 1: The Packers have a track record of not bringing back

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Speaker 1: guys with neck entries, and maybe the Giants take a

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Speaker 1: chance on him. They're all their quarterbacks. Coach Ben McAdoo,

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00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: who was the tight ends coach when ja Michael Finley

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00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: was developing, is now in with the Giants as the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. That seems like it could be a fit.

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Speaker 1: It's clear that they are not going to give him

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Speaker 1: a good contract offer and that he's likely to leave

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00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: Green Bay. But if he's medically cleared, I mean he's

673
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: not gonna have any shortage of suitors. He might not

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00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: get a monster contract or anything, but there'll be plenty

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00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: of teams willing, they say, Although they haven't come out,

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00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: it's not for certain, but a lot of It's been

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00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: reported that him and Nick Collins had the same exact surgery,

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Speaker 1: the C three C four, and Nick Collins was a

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00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: great uh safety. He can't get a job. If you

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Speaker 1: were a general manager and he was medically cleared, would

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00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: you sign him knowing he's coming off of cervical fusion surgery.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we know know enough to answer those

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00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: sort of medical I think next are different than mess here.

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00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: We would have been in good shape. Mark would have

685
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: all the answers. However, the three of us not called

686
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: gold standard, completely unqualified correct in every festal life. So

687
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: you're beating yourself up because of win West's toast there.

688
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: You do a great job behind the glass, but you know,

689
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: try to move past the toaster incidents. So I've been

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00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: I've been seeing someone about this, um, Chris Westling. Can

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00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: you I know that you struggled last to ask this question.

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00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: Can you look into the metaphorical crystal ball and tells

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00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with the Packers in the next

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00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: few months. I think Roggi's gone, Finlay's gone, Sam Shields

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00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: stays there. They let Jones test the market. There's probably

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00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: a chance he returns, and then they pick up maybe

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00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: a free agent or two on defense. But even if

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00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: Ted Thompson says he's going to do that, I don't.

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00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: I'll have to see it to believe it. Charles Putson,

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00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: Ryan Pickett, some of their key no I know, but

701
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: some of their key guys in that Super Bowl run.

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00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: We're free agent pickups which haven't done it and forever right,

703
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: which is okay, you picked up these guys and they

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00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: worked out, So why are you staunchly against free agents.

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00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: I hope Ted Thompson just goes the other way and

706
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: goes like two thousand era Dan Snyder and just starts

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Speaker 1: handing out dollar contracts like a midlife crisis. Yeah. Just

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00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: he just goes crazy and just against everything he believes in. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: one thing I missed that dance Snyder are where he

710
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: literally saw Albert Haynesworth waving a red flag and he

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00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: took the flag and he put it down on the

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00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: ground and just gave him a gig game to check.

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00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: That was great. Yeah. Are we allowed to be talking

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Speaker 1: about this? I don't know. Yeah, Okay. Just to button

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00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: up the Packers, I would say they're big. The biggest

716
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: thing they have coined for them is the players are

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00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: getting back from injuries, claim Matthews and Casey Hayward, especially

718
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: Nick Perry there too. But they get some good players

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00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: on defense back from entry. They need all those draft

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00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: picks over the last couple of years, especially on defense,

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00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: and just start playing well. I mean, that's that's the

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00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: biggest thing, is right. Just they've taken all these guys,

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Speaker 1: they need to develop them like they used to. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So that is it for today's edition. To the Around

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Speaker 1: the League podcast, Greg as the boss, can you tell

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00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: the listeners what to expect when you guys are in Indianapolis.

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00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: I am, of course going to be in California. The

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00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: show will go on, though, Chris and Mark and I

729
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: will do a podcast on Saturday. What should be doing

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Speaker 1: it on a television set, although no one's going to

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Speaker 1: be recording us because that we're just not good looking enough.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well that'll go up Saturday afternoon and it

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Speaker 1: will stand as a nice, uh recap of what's happened

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Speaker 1: so far in the combine. We'll get to talk to

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Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks. Were getting a lot of inside nuggets,

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Speaker 1: right whispers whispers from around the league. General managers and

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00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: coaches speak NonStop from Thursday morning through Friday night. And

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna be talking about it with all of

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be working the room at happy hour. We

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00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: might we might actually overserve a few of these insiders

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Speaker 1: just to get information. I like that, see this type

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Speaker 1: of stuff. That's what makes Chris Westling a skilled man

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00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: in matters of the bar. He knows how to overserve

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00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: someone and wanted in the three stays these days. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's it. For today's show because is Danahans is signing

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Speaker 1: off for the mail Man, the boss of the gold

747
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: standard behind the glass. Next time you hear from us,

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Speaker 1: it will be in Indianapolis. Bye. So I think there's

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Speaker 1: just maybe a blockage in your nose. Yeah,