1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: We continue on talk some NFL draft go around the 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: NFL a little bit. Speculation continues to surround the Indianapolis 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: Colts picking in the top five Casey Valleys. Along. I'm 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Matt Taylor. We're on Radio row right now at the Combine, 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: joined by Mike Renner, lead NFL draft analysts for Pro 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Football Focus. Again one of the best in the biz. 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: Look at all of this stuff, the mock drafts. You 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: hit the refresh button to see what Mike's got going on. 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: It's good to meet you and talk to you for 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: the first time. Thanks a lot for the opportunity here 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: that it was quite the intro. I don't know about 12 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 1: all of that either. Hey, thank you brother, I appreciate you. 13 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Um Well, first off, Mike, I mean, like you said, 14 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: you're based in Cincinnati there with Pro Football Focus. What's 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: going on for you at the Combine? What are you 16 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: guys tracking As you make that short drive over on 17 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: I seventy four. They're doing a lot of do it 18 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: a lot of this, dude, a lot of talking to 19 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: different teams around the NFL doing Gonna go to some 20 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: of the podiums here this week. Ask some questions that 21 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: I've been you know, stewing on for some of these 22 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: players if I want to know some stuff. But yeah, 23 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: it just basically excited to see these guys tests and 24 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, you have a handle on who they are 25 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: as athletes, have a handle on I think you have 26 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: to come in here with like an idea of who 27 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: all these players are first before you look at that data. 28 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: And then what you do it's, uh, you know, is 29 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: it did they exceed your expectations? Then you go back 30 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: and watch the tape one way or another or did 31 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: they not meet your expectations? And then you go back 32 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: and check the tape and see was he you know, 33 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: not as high end athletes. I thought, hey, if you 34 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: don't mind, I'd like to talk about you for a second. 35 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: What what year did you graduate Notre Dame twenty twelve? Okay, 36 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: did you know then as a player that you wanted 37 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: to get into this? And it sort of scoured and 38 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: you know the football analytics of everything. I never played football. 39 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: I didn't even at my high school was so small 40 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: we didn't have a football team. So I was a 41 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: basketball player. Tried to play basketball there at Notre Dame. 42 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: Did not get got cut in at your walk on tryouts? 43 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: Junior and senior year after they asked me to come on. 44 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: But now, I always love football, and I think the 45 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: fact that I didn't get to play it was like 46 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: what drew me to the game. As like drew me 47 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: too going to PFF after college, because I would have 48 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: like the fact that I never got to play, you 49 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: never get to scratched that inch. I was like obsessed 50 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: over the game of football. That's fantastic. Yeah, and then 51 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: you turn that into again, lead draft analysts at Pro 52 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: Football Focus man doing this for eleven years. My eleventh 53 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: year THEFF, so I was there one of the ogs. Yeah. 54 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: Now now even now, even in that short amount of time, 55 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: I mean, how have you seen the combine just explode? 56 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: And he was growing then, but it's it's certainly not 57 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: what it is now eleven years later. Combine just the 58 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: draft in general, the interest around it. It used to be, 59 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, March before even people are talking about the drafting. 60 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: People are talking about the draft in Omber. Yeah. Yeah, 61 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: like yeah, week six, your team's out of it, you're 62 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: doing bock drafts. Where were we let's get Yeah, who 63 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: are you talking to right now? Okay? And it's just 64 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: a different animal. And I think it's the interest of 65 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: the game too, like people the fandom has grown to 66 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: another level just around the NFL that people are very 67 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: invested in team building. All Right, you have I was looking, 68 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: you have Will Levis ahead of c J out on 69 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: your big board at quarterback. What's going on under why 70 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: this quarterback? That's interesting because it's very eye of the beholder. 71 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: There's to me, Bryce Young's like far and away the best, 72 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: but it's he's five maybe five eleven, five ten, six 73 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: foot like he's in that range that he's under two 74 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: hundred pounds and that's not going to be everyone's cup 75 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: of tea. But outside of that, to me, on field, 76 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: it's like it's him and then the rest of the guys. 77 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 1: But Will Levis is just he's that difficult quarterback to evaluate, 78 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: similar to what Daniel Jones was coming out, similar to 79 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: what Josh Allen was coming out, where the situations so 80 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: bad right that you can throw the stats out the 81 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: window because you drop in prime Peyton Manning into that 82 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: offense and he's not putting up numbers that look like 83 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: CJ strouts numbers. It's just impossible to do at the 84 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: cleasial level when you don't have guys who are getting open, 85 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: and you have an offensive line that's got you under 86 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: pressure almost forty percent of your dropbacks, and so he 87 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,839 Speaker 1: really wasn't given an opportunity to succeed, and I think 88 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: he did the best in a bad situation. And you 89 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: kind of look at his tape and have an easy 90 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: projection to the NFL because it'll be almost easier in 91 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: ways for him next year at the NFL level, which 92 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: is a rarity to say. So he can hit the 93 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: NFL and like things will almost slow down to a degree, 94 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: or he'll have more options than he ever did a 95 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: Kentucky Whereas for a guy like CJ. Stroud, being under 96 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: pressure as little as he was some of the massive 97 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: pockets that he had to deal with, you almost developed 98 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: some bad habits that you have to unlearn once you 99 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: get to the NFL because you don't have the time 100 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: that he had. You can't just sit back there all 101 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: day wow, going through your progressions. You have to get 102 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: that ball out quickly and you have to basically work 103 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: from being uncomfortable. Is kind of the baseline or a 104 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. So you just didn't get to 105 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: see that. And when c J. Stroud was pressure. It 106 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: was a lot worse than when Will Levis was pressure. 107 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: So that's probably the biggest difference between the two and 108 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: y trend towards Levis is just that NFL readiness, the 109 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: NFL translatability. Now, with that being said, another one of 110 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: those names you mentioned, Young Stroud levis the other guy 111 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: that's in that mix, and I mean it differs. You 112 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: can talk to this guy and he's not a first 113 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: round pick. This guy he's the first overall pick and 114 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: Anthony Rich does anybody know who this guy is? Do 115 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: we know where he's going to be? I think everyone 116 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: knows what he is, But that's what he is going 117 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: to because it is the actual question that it's like, man, 118 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: he is so far away, and that's that's fine, Like 119 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: that's he's not the first guy to come in the NFL, 120 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: not necessarily ready, and there's reasons why he played one 121 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: year a quarterback. It's a rarity. There's not a great 122 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: track record of guys with one year of collegiate play 123 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: to then translate to the NFL. So it's it was 124 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: was very surprised he declared in the first place, but 125 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: you just look at him physically and what he brings 126 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: to the table, and it's different that it is high 127 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: end as it gets not only as a passer in 128 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: terms of the arm strength, but as a runner. He 129 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: is in that tier with a Justin Fields, with a 130 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson that if you get him heavily involved in 131 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: the running game, you're gonna have a high floor because 132 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: your running game is gonna be very, very dynamic. Then well, 133 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: with that being said, the NFL it is a non 134 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: patient league anymore. It's almost you get a guy he 135 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: has to step in right now and be the guy, 136 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 1: a guy like Anthony Richardson. You talk about how he's 137 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: got a long way to go to kind of get 138 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: to where that point where he's playing at that level consistently. 139 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: Where is that balanced? Do you think a team is 140 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: going to give him the amount of time or is 141 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: that is that what's the most important part about this 142 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: whole process is finding that right team who has the 143 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: time to wait on him. That is such an important 144 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: part of the process, is like giving him the situation 145 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: to develop, allowing him because if you're only you know, 146 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: year two and he's not there yet and you're giving 147 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: up on him, I think you're doing him a disservice. 148 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: I think you're doing your franchise a disservice just because 149 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: of that, that's your plan when drafting. I mean, that's 150 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: why I don't necessarily see him. There's that hype around 151 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. I just don't see that 152 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: because number one overall pick starts right away. I don't 153 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: care who you are. Do the number one overall pick. 154 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: You're expected to start right away. And I'm not sure 155 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: I would love Rich shouldn't do that. But I think 156 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: you could see him eased in kind of how the 157 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: Bears ease justin fields. In this fields was one of 158 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: the worst passes in the NFL, even this season. Yeah, 159 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: but his rushing ability, the fact that they were so 160 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: run heavy made them still like not the worst off 161 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: I think they were like twenty second and epa per play, 162 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: So with a terrible talent around him, they were still okay, 163 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: you know, still better than the Colts offensively. So I 164 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: think that's one thing that could play in his favor 165 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: is that if you just really buy into him as 166 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: a running threat, you don't necessarily have to put him 167 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: in the worst situations as a pass around. Can you 168 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: can we go back to something you said it was 169 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: kind of a little bit of a throwaway remark, but 170 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: I kind of caught onto it with richardson, why is 171 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: he coming out? That's a good ques? I mean money, right, Like, well, 172 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: I could have been the NUB one overall pick, but 173 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: like I just mean, like next year, why doesn't he 174 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: continue to grow and then be the number one guy 175 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: next year? I think you just objectively look at this 176 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: class and next year's class and say, next year, Drake 177 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: May and Caleb Williams would already be QB one two 178 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: in this year's in my opinion, if they were able 179 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: to come out, if the NFL got away with the restrictions, 180 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: they would be the number one, number two overall picks 181 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: in this class. They're that good at quarterback. So he's 182 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: looking at that and saying, you know, I could make 183 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: a massive leap, But would I jump those guys? I 184 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: don't know. I've probably got a you probably got a 185 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: first round grade. I'm assuming he got a first round 186 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: grade from the Advisory Board, And he's just like, I'll 187 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: come this year, right, right, And obviously it's probably not 188 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: the best for his development to be this raw coming 189 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL, but he's gonna make a lot of 190 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: money even if he sucks in the NFL, because he's 191 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: gonna be a top ten pick. Yeah, all right. Mike 192 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: Rinter is with US lead NFL draft analyst from Pro 193 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: Football Focus. You know, we've talked to a lot of people. 194 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: I think this is the first time I have brought 195 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: up this name, Stetson Ben. I know he's thirty two 196 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: years old, but he's gonna be a rookie. I mean, 197 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: can he play in the league. I mean, I know 198 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: he's not in the conversation of the top four guys, 199 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: which we've beaten ourselves over the head with, but you 200 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: understand what I'm getting at. I mean, is he a 201 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: guy that can play translate at all? I think so. 202 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: If you know Brock Purty can play in the league, 203 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: I don't see why I got like Stetson Bennett can't. 204 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: He has as much experience against top defenses as anyone. 205 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: He's a winner in quarterback position, and he's an underrated 206 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: athlete too. I think you get him involved in the 207 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: running game. We saw that Georgia like he's got some 208 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: straight line speed. I think he might go like four 209 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: or five something. You're here at the combine like he 210 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: can actually move so gay short too. You know that's 211 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: not going to be in his favor, But I think 212 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: he's a guy you probably gets. You know, if Ian 213 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: Book was a fourth rounder and know its a Nor 214 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: Dame fan, I was floored when that happened. I think 215 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: it's death and Bennet can go in a similar sort 216 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: of range. Wow, I was thinking more undrafted free agent. 217 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: Oh no, I think he's getting drafted for sure ly. Yeah. Now, 218 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: obviously just because of the value of backup quarterbacks. You know, 219 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: teams will play at pay eight to ten million dollars 220 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: for a backer, you know, somewhere in that range for 221 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: the backup type of quarterbacks that I think you'd feel 222 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: pretty confident in as a backup, just based off his 223 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: track record, even if you're not going to get high 224 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: end from him expecting anything special, but I think you 225 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: feel good about him being being you know, that spot 226 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: starter from EB Yeah. All right, last couple of things 227 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: with him, Mike. I mean I saw your top running 228 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: back Bijean Robinson. He's probably one of the best players 229 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: in this trap. But again, he plays running back. Is 230 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: he worthy of a first round pick? Yeah? So I 231 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: have like three guys that I've called blue chips in 232 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: this draft class, like kind of in that I don't say, 233 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: can't misrange, but if they're healthy on the football field, 234 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: I'd be very surprised if they weren't, you know, Pro 235 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: Bowl type players and Jilan Carter, will Anderson, and it's 236 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: Bejean Robinson. What's too high for him? I'm of the 237 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: opinion that you can take a running back in the 238 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: first round, but you better have the ecosystem in place already. 239 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: You don't take a runn back in the first round 240 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: expecting him himself to turn around your running game. You 241 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: take a running back in the first round if you 242 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: already have the good offensive line, if you already have 243 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: the running game that he then takes it to that 244 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: unstoppable level that defense have to account for, that, you know, 245 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: Derreck Henry level, that's where that's where you draft to 246 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: Bejean Robinsons. If you already have kind of that dominant 247 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: offensive line that then makes everything easier and then takes 248 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: your rushing game to that believe level. Now, staying with 249 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: running back, definitely one of the most devalued positions at 250 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: the NFL level, and a lot of times it all 251 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: comes down to do you pay him that second contract. 252 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: I want to play kind of the other side of 253 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: the coin. If you draft him in the first round, 254 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: you get that fifth year. Is that really enticing for 255 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: teams because you can look at the running back life 256 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: and say, we get him for five years and then 257 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: we can move on and get our next guy. I 258 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: don't think so, because the fifth year option, because of 259 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: the way after the new CBA, how it changed in 260 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: that that guy makes one Pro Bowl, his fifth year 261 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: option is basically a tag, and so I don't think 262 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: it's anything like the Josh Jacob's fifth year option was 263 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: like a million dollars difference between that and the tag. 264 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: So you're really not saving yourself that much on that 265 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: fifth year with the running back position. All right, can 266 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: we go rapid fire, real quick story wrap out? All right, 267 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: give me a guy at the following positions that is 268 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: underrated for you. You're you're following how he's testing, and 269 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: you're going to keep tabs on him all the way 270 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: up until the draft. Give me a wide out that's 271 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: sort of under the radar. You really want to see 272 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: him test well. I will go to bat for Michael 273 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: Wilson from Stanford Okay, I am a sucker for guys 274 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: who can get off the line of scrimmage really well, 275 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: guys with good releasing, because that's something that translates to 276 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: the NFL level right away. If you can get off 277 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, you can get open at the 278 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: end with all level in my opinion, and he's got 279 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: some of the best releases in this draft class. So 280 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: massive injury history. UM. I think he's only played like 281 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: fourteen games last three years, so he's really banged up. 282 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: But he's got size. He's like two hundred sixteen pounds 283 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: six two sixteen and he's a great route runner. So 284 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: that's a guy that if you can get Day three 285 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: because of that injury history. Who I love that all right, 286 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: pass rusher? Who a pass rusher in this draft class? 287 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: UM tackle, defense, tackler or edge which Joe kay I 288 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: will say, hmmm, Felix and new Dique Zama. I think 289 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: he's a great name. Yeah, great day in Kansas State 290 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: at edge rusher. UM. I wouldn't be surprised if he 291 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: ends up sneaking up into the first round. Um, just 292 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: because he's get off his grade and he actually knows 293 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: how to rush the past or right like he has 294 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: moved is well, is far along in his development. He's 295 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: not a guy that you're banking on. You're having to 296 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: coach up and having to teach him stuff like he's 297 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: going to day one of the NFL have a pass 298 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: rushing package that can win. So that's a guy I'm 299 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: a fan of. All Right, last one offensive tackle offensive 300 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: tackle in this draft class. I don't love the tackle 301 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: draft class, but I do think Dwan Jones is getting 302 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: a little underrated. The Ohio State offensive tackle. He's enormous. 303 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: He's I think he's gonna be like the biggest office. 304 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: So he's six nine, three seventy five, he's got seven 305 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: five wingspan. Um, he's huge, but he moved and he 306 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: doesn't move great obviously at that size it's impossible too. 307 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: But he plays with great balance and he's like skilled 308 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: and as much as tackle as you know, you have 309 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: to have kind of the requisite traits. You have to 310 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: have the size, length, feats, footspeed, whatever. It's still so 311 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: much of a skilled position. It's how you use your hands, 312 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: it's how you get into position, and he does that already, 313 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: and so yeah, it reminds me a lot of Orlando Brown. 314 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: Coming out where Glanda Brown tested awfully, falls to the 315 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: third round. I think Dwan Jones is not gonna turn 316 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: any heads with his athletic testing might follow the second round, 317 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: but he just knows how to block guys and past rounds. 318 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm a fantast all right. He lives in Incinnati, went 319 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: to school in South ben He's in Indianapolis. Are you 320 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: Are you from the Midwest too? I was born in Milwaul, Wisconsin. Okay, 321 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: then yeah, I grew up in Champagne, Illinois. Then yes, yes, 322 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: my brother used to live in India. Okay, Oh hell yeah, sorry, 323 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: So then you're familiar with what's going on here then right, Yeah, fantastic. 324 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: That's Mike Renner Pro Football Focus. Like I said, it's 325 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: great to meet you and talk to you for the 326 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: first time, and again thanks for this chance to talk 327 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: some draft for sure, fellows. Thanks for having h