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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal ull that.

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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 3: be happy.

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Speaker 4: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 3: Ato Steak is that whoo whoo?

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Speaker 2: And them and tie.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls. My

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Speaker 1: name is Ty hildenbra had that fine gentleman over there,

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Speaker 1: back with me once more, Dan Rubinstein?

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Speaker 3: Is it summer? Is its spring? Is it winter?

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Speaker 1: What season are you currently experiencing in the heart of

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Speaker 1: the Midwest, Chicago, Illinois.

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Speaker 4: I'm too dumb to know, Ty, I think we're in

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Speaker 4: the middle of spring now. It's snowed on Monday, though,

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Speaker 4: which was it was hit eighty last week and snowed

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Speaker 4: on Monday.

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Midwest, everybody. I'm all right, Ty, I

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Speaker 4: am excited to talk about TCU. I've been excited to

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Speaker 4: talk about all of these things, you know, in terms

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Speaker 4: of the year one debriefs, all of these teams, just

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Speaker 4: because we now have the ability to say, Okay, here's

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Speaker 4: what happened, here's how I feel, and based on what

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Speaker 4: we've seen, here are my thoughts on what could happen

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Speaker 4: in the short and long term, and they're among these teams.

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Speaker 4: There was a lot of excitement, there was a lot

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Speaker 4: of disappointment, there was a lot in between. TCU unprecedented.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how to describe their year one debrief

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Speaker 4: beyond well. This escalated quickly and very excited. Of course,

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Speaker 4: to speak with Parker Fleming our guests from you know,

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Speaker 4: he contributed to Frogs of War college football grafts, you know,

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Speaker 4: a lot of advanced stats on the college and NFL level,

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Speaker 4: but has a big TCU background. It's going to be

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Speaker 4: interesting to parse out exactly how we all should feel

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Speaker 4: and VIEWTCU.

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Speaker 1: I've struggled with my TCU feelings for a good long time.

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Speaker 1: Then that's true. You know that where I stand on TCU.

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Speaker 1: I was for them before I was against them. Then

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Speaker 1: we sort of got back together, then we broke up,

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Speaker 1: and then midway through the year last year, I was

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Speaker 1: afraid to jump onto the bandwagon because I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to and I want Jakes. I still got that superstitious

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Speaker 1: quality to me and I don't want to Jake some

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Speaker 1: I don't want to Jinxmax stug him. Because it was

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Speaker 1: a cool story and it was a great year. Look

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Speaker 1: I mean to get to the playoff, to win a

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Speaker 1: playoff game, to get to the national championship against Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Obviously that could have gone better, but alas, just making

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Speaker 1: it I think was a huge accomplishment for Sunny Dikes

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Speaker 1: in year one. No less so, as you said, we've

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Speaker 1: been doing these year one debriefs, this is our final

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Speaker 1: year one debrief. We've perhaps saved the best for a

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Speaker 1: last we need to unpack some of this Sunny Dike's

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Speaker 1: business a little bit, figure out exactly how he quote

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Speaker 1: unquote rebooted things as quickly as he did. What is

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Speaker 1: now the new expectation within the program for where things

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Speaker 1: go from here? Because it's very easy to get out

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Speaker 1: over your skis right after one incredible season like the

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Speaker 1: one they had in twenty two, and let's just talk

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Speaker 1: moving forward, bigger picture recruiting. Where is this program at

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Speaker 1: after again a really remarkable run?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh I agree?

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Speaker 4: And what does the future hold for Sunny Dykes's hoodie selection?

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Speaker 4: Which was right, that's right, Christine last year the hypnotad Look,

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Speaker 4: he was just an a plus. You know, forget coaching

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Speaker 4: and recruiting and building a staff. The taste in hoodies

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Speaker 4: I mean chef's kiss from me. Mah, come on TI.

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Speaker 4: So now, I don't think we're gonna waste our time

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Speaker 4: asking about hoodies with Parker. But no, I have my

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Speaker 4: own TCU thoughts. I'm sure you have yours. You're you're

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Speaker 4: emotional about TCU over these years, You're you're fraught with

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Speaker 4: all these things. But should we just get to Parker

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Speaker 4: to discuss all things TCU?

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Speaker 3: You think?

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Speaker 1: I would love to. For those who are tuning in

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Speaker 1: And with that, it is my pleasure to welcome onto

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Speaker 1: Oh war Aka. I just learned this time Banksy the

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Speaker 3: Did you know? I didn't know this now.

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Speaker 4: I don't often recommend that people watch our shows instead

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Speaker 4: of listening. I think it's their choice, however they want

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Speaker 4: are missing out, friends, if you are not seeing this

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Speaker 4: wonderful beard that Parker is sporting. Parker, how you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, y'all. Thank you, and honestly I told

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Speaker 2: you that Banksy thing and confidence I feel to start

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Speaker 4: It's a big thing for us because then it'll drive

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Speaker 3: And I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think we're just taking advantage of you, and you

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Speaker 4: know what, I feel okay with it because I also

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Speaker 4: want to take advantage of your TCU Horned Frog knowledge.

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Speaker 3: Ty.

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Speaker 1: That's what's called a pro transition. Yes, very very good.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start off this conversation in this same

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Speaker 1: All Right, the first question that I've been asking people

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty obvious that Sunny Dykes was an A.

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Speaker 1: He was fifty eight points away from the highest possible

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Speaker 1: we can talk about why that came their fruition. Where

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Speaker 1: what led to that resignation, what led us to this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I started this kind of had this conversation

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Speaker 2: Just taking them from a random nobody school to you know,

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Speaker 2: That being said, in his later years, it did appear

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Speaker 2: They really couldn't figure out a way to modernize the offense.

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Speaker 2: But it did become a clear that in the day

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Speaker 1: What I find interesting is, as soon as the job

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Speaker 1: It was just assumed that he was going to be

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Speaker 2: Be frank, the jury still out. He took over a

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Speaker 2: I think that a lot of TCU fans kind of

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Speaker 2: That seemed like a natural kind of passing of the baton.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we knew the timeline.

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Speaker 2: been concerns about the people that he've brought he's brought

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Speaker 2: it does seem like he is well suited to use

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Speaker 2: And at SMU, he really felt like they didn't have

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Speaker 2: they weren't really providing them. And at TCU he kind

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Speaker 2: Oh, my friends, this is such a deserted victory lap.

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Speaker 2: to be a little bit skeptical and perhaps frustrated with

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Speaker 2: how TCU replaced Garrett Riley. And so if you start,

436
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Speaker 2: you know, one thing on its own is not necessarily bad,

437
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: but you start adding things up and then it's looking

438
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: at some guys that left during spring. There's going to

439
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,719
Speaker 2: be a returning production. I think there's a little bit

440
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Speaker 2: more uncertainty than if they had gone and lost you

441
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Speaker 2: thirty four to seventeen or something in that.

442
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Speaker 1: In that game, well, you know, the risk for Sunny Dykes,

443
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Speaker 1: of course, is being a victim of his own success now,

444
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Speaker 1: because it's extremely hard to top what they did in

445
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Speaker 1: his first season in twenty twenty two. Do you feel like,

446
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Speaker 1: as a as a TCU fan, did the success that

447
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Speaker 1: the horn Frogs had last season almost recalibrate what expectations

448
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 1: are moving forward or are fans grounded enough to the

449
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 1: extent that they're still viewing last season as potentially a

450
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Speaker 1: one off, potentially a flash in the pan type year.

451
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm yeah, I don't know how grounded fans are generally.

452
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 2: People definitely let their let their expectations run wild, I said,

453
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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of us in that we're

454
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,719
Speaker 2: talking about tc at the time kind of agreed eight

455
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: and four last year would have been an amazing season. Yeah,

456
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 2: and TCU was four and one and one score games

457
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 2: those very easily could have gone the other way. And

458
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Speaker 2: so those that you know, the narrowness of the margin

459
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Speaker 2: kind of thet so the season certainly keeps that in check.

460
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Speaker 2: I also think that more people are kind of getting

461
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Speaker 2: in tune to this idea that the development cycles of

462
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Speaker 2: the Big twelve are pretty unique in college football. You

463
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Speaker 2: look at Iowa State, you look at Baylor, you look

464
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma State last year, you look at TCU this year.

465
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Speaker 2: Somebody's just going to rise to the top every year

466
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Speaker 2: just because they hit the development cycle at the top

467
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 2: of their talent. It's all coalescing and they get a

468
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 2: couple breaks, and so I think you have to understand

469
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Speaker 2: that when you lose your best players, you get worse.

470
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a groundbreaking to say. Again,

471
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Speaker 2: mostly this is proof concept that Sunny Dykes, when things

472
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Speaker 2: have all gone right and when the rosters where it

473
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Speaker 2: needs to be, can manage a team at a high

474
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 2: level competing for a national championship, which you can't save

475
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 2: every coach. There are still questions to be answered about

476
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Speaker 2: whether he can create the conditions for the roster to

477
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Speaker 2: be where it needs.

478
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Speaker 3: To be right.

479
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Speaker 1: Well, that's actually a great segue into my next question

480
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Speaker 1: about recruiting, because if you think about it right, teams

481
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Speaker 1: like Georgia and Alabama are already sort of at terminal

482
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: velocity when it comes to you can win a national championship,

483
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: you can win a playoff game. It's hard to boost

484
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: those recruiting efforts more than they're already boosted. They're already

485
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Speaker 1: recruiting at such an elite level. But TCU getting to

486
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Speaker 1: the championship in the manner that they did first year

487
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Speaker 1: under a new coach, that's a program changing type of

488
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Speaker 1: event type of thing. Are they using that boost to

489
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Speaker 1: their advantage on the trail? Are they using it in

490
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Speaker 1: the manner that they should? How are they taking advantage

491
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Speaker 1: of like this newfound success on the recruiting trail.

492
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Speaker 2: Well, they certainly have the access to talent that a

493
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Speaker 2: lot of their teams teams don't, and they've used it well.

494
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 2: They've been you know, the Big Twelve. You look at

495
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: team talent composite has been Oklahoma, Texas little gap, TCU

496
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: big gap everyone else. And so under Gary Patterson, they

497
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 2: were still doing a good job of a massing talent

498
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 2: in the Big twelve, especially in the air of the

499
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: transfer portal that faltered a little bit. They were out

500
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Speaker 2: of the top five I think two times in the

501
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Speaker 2: last four years, which under Gary Patterson was kind of unprecedented.

502
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Speaker 2: And so Sunnydecks is riding the ship. They're going and

503
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 2: getting athletic guys. They are also doing a little bit

504
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: of roster churn, I think as you saw Jordan Hudson,

505
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: who was supposed to be I think on three at

506
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 2: one point had him as a five star. Maybe rivals did,

507
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: receiver didn't really get involved last year, he kind of left.

508
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: The fit wasn't necessarily there. They're doing a little bit

509
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: of roster churn, but they're certainly able to attract talent.

510
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 2: I think the big difference for Sunny Dyke's and his

511
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 2: kind of TCU going forward is with so much talent

512
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: in Texas, TCU becomes a place where you can say

513
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Speaker 2: to guys like Jojo Earl, for instance, come home a

514
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: little closer to things. Let's let's get a fresh start.

515
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Speaker 2: Look what I've done in the transfer portal. I mean,

516
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: how many quarterbacks from Texas as Sunny Dyke's turned trash

517
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: to treasure right and had the ability to do that.

518
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: And so I'm interested to see what he can do

519
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 2: with the transfer portal as well as maintaining that kind

520
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: of top twenty, top twenty five consistent year in year,

521
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 2: year out class. I don't know that after you know

522
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl and twenty fourteen that there, you know

523
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: TCU isn't isn't as weird. People when I went to

524
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: school at TCU thought I went to the University of

525
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: Tennessee Chattanooga or something. Didn't know what it was at all.

526
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 2: TCU is certainly a national brand, and so it doesn't

527
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: hurt to get in front of that with that, But

528
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: in terms of a recruiting bump, I think it's a

529
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: little bit more of a recruiting ballast. It just helps

530
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 2: you continue that momentum and makes you a little bit

531
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Speaker 2: more attractive for those all important transfers.

532
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Speaker 4: Do you think this is a staff and a program

533
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Speaker 4: with the infrastructure too, now that you have the Texas

534
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 4: and Oklahoma vacuum in the Big twelve? Like, is this

535
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 4: a a staff and program comprised of recruiting killers? Is

536
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 4: it a priority in the way that it's you know,

537
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 4: you mentioned Gary Patterson put together a number of very

538
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Speaker 4: good classes. But in this you know twenty twenty three,

539
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five, do you get the

540
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Speaker 4: sense that the aggression is there to match or exceed

541
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Speaker 4: who they're recruiting against.

542
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Speaker 2: I am skeptical of that a little bit, just because

543
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: TC's lost out on a couple quarterbacks. I think they

544
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: really would have liked to have this this offseason, in

545
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: this cycle. A couple of guys have flipped. You look

546
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: at the you know, there's great guys like Anthony Jones,

547
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: who is at Memphis. Comes over, a guy that people

548
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 2: like great with Texas. Paul Gonzalez been there forever, has

549
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: great relationships with the Texas high schools, gets the dbs

550
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: into the room, and so I think there are guys

551
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: that are really really good at a kind of isolating

552
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: talent building relationships, keeping those pipelines open. Gillespie, you know,

553
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: had a couple of guys that were just absolute studs

554
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: at Tulsa, and so has shown that he can find

555
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: those guys on the rough. I think it's different to

556
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: find a three star who you believe is underrated versus

557
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: finding multiple four stars and winning those kind of higher,

558
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: higher recruiting battles. So we'll see. Also, you look at

559
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: the you know, the offensive coordinator that they brought in

560
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily hasn't necessarily recruited the guys that he's been

561
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: successful with. So again open question. He's come in and

562
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 2: taken other people's pieces and done okay with it. Can

563
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: he kind of build from nothing because because right now,

564
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: with the turnover that TCU's facing in terms of talent

565
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: and development cycles, they are going to have to kind

566
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: of build again.

567
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: Do you feel for Chandler Morris the way you felt

568
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 3: for Max Duggan. Are you an early believer?

569
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 4: Do you see the talent, do you see the ability

570
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: to construct a team around him to win on a

571
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 4: national level in that same way? Or are you withholding

572
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 4: judgment for now?

573
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: I am a little bit more worried about Chandler Morris's

574
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: development because he was at a oh you moved here,

575
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: didn't play meaningful snaps. I'm just worried he hasn't had

576
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: enough meaningful snaps to progress along the way he should,

577
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: which is a similar concern as Max Duggan. Duggan was

578
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: a higher rate of recruit than Morris. I think is

579
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: important to note again, it felt like that was a

580
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: very easy oh TCU brought on a guy from Oklahoma.

581
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: He should compete for the job. But I mean, it's

582
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: not like he's a bad quarterback. I think he looked

583
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: really bad in his debut at Colorado before he got injured,

584
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: a little bit deer in the headlights. Obviously, the Baylor

585
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: game will live forever an infamy. If you go talk

586
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: to our Baylor friends, however few and far between they

587
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: may be, they'll tell us that there were some extenuating

588
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: circumstances about preparation and participation that kind of had they

589
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 2: learn a bad spot for that game, And we can't

590
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 2: forget he played the Oklahoma State game the next week

591
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: after and got absolutely demolished. I think there's some limitations

592
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: with physical size in terms of what he might do

593
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: going forward. He's got it between the ears. I think

594
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: he's pretty accurate. He is about fifty pounds lighter than

595
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: kJ Jefferson and five or six inches shorter, which if

596
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: you look at what Arkansas's offense was able to do

597
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: last year, I don't know how well that translates. So

598
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: TCU has a lot of speed. Morris is definitely a

599
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 2: spark plug. I think there's a world where TCU can

600
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: compete for a Big twelve championship with Morris at the

601
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: at the helm, the ceiling is there. We're talking about medium,

602
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 2: most like and most likely outcome. I'm a little bit

603
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: more worried about Morris just because of that development has

604
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: been so stunted, with the instability, the movement around, and

605
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: that he just hasn't gotten those meaningful reps over the

606
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: course of his career.

607
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 4: So TCU hits the portal, hopefully to surround Chandler Morris.

608
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 4: Whoever starts a quarterback with new talent, with losing a

609
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 4: couple of major pieces offensive skill wise, do you see

610
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: immediate impact?

611
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: Do you you know, wait and see?

612
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: You know?

613
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 4: Do they go to LSU, they go to Alabama and

614
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 4: these are guys that they bring in that were highly

615
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: rated recruits that didn't necessarily, you know, see the field

616
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: that often, or saw the field and then saw less

617
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 4: a lesser role. You mentioned, Jojo Earl, what is the

618
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 4: state of the roster post at least second portal swing

619
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: through the through the country.

620
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: They are definitely going to have some questions on the

621
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: offensive line. Again, you lose Steve Avila, one of the

622
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: you know, just just an awesome offensive interier offensive line

623
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: at presence for a while. And when you lose your

624
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: best players Quinton Johnson, Darius Davis, tay Barbart, You're gonna

625
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: get worse. That's just how it's gonna happen. I think

626
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: they'll rely on Jared Wiley a little bit more in

627
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: the in the intermediate passing game. As for additions, Jojo

628
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: Earl thinks ceilings very high. We don't know what he is.

629
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: We don't know if he's healthy. Tommy Brockmeyer tackle could

630
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: show up that offensive line. Is he going to be

631
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: able to be healthy? Is he back where he needs

632
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: to be in terms of game readiness. One guy that

633
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: I'm really intrigued by that I think a lot of

634
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: folks will maybe maybe not seen as sexy on the

635
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: on the face, John Paul Richardson from Oklahoma State. I

636
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: think that he really got pegged as a number one receiver.

637
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: He got a lot of pressure, had a lot of gravity,

638
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: and that's just not the kind of receiver he is.

639
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: And TCU's offense, they should be able to spread things

640
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: out a little bit more, have a little bit more

641
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: attention otherwise, and and JPR could be very, very very

642
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: good in that role. And when you talk about replacing

643
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: Quentin Johnston, you look to a guy like Savvion Williams

644
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: had a little bit of trouble with his hands in

645
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: the past, but has the build and the experience to

646
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: potentially have a very good receiving season. So they're going

647
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: to turn over some of those guys, but I you know,

648
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: the the other big loss is going to be Kendre Miller,

649
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: who's going to fill in? There? Is that going to

650
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: be a Monty Bailey Trent battle in the backfield? There

651
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: just a lot of question marks. I think TCU has

652
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: a very high ceiling this year, but I think their volatility,

653
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: their uncertainty is a lot higher than was last year.

654
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: So a lot of these guys you could talk yourself into, yes,

655
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: the inside slot, you put Earle on the left, you

656
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: put Richardson on the right, you run Mesh thirty times

657
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: a game, you're gonna you're gonna score some points. Can

658
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: they do that consistently? Can they adjust? Can they counter punch?

659
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: Especially with the new offensive coordinator. I think they've done

660
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: a decent job kind of addressing some of those issues.

661
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: But if the interior offensive line is as bad as

662
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: it looked in the spring game, and if the quarterback

663
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: play is not what it what it should be, a

664
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: lot of that's going to be moved. All these things

665
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: are dependent on each other.

666
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: Obviously, Whose offense was it last year? Whose offense is

667
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: it this year?

668
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: Last year it was Max Duggins offense, even though it

669
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: was really Quinton Johnson's offense just because Max was not

670
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: running as much. But I think it really was Max

671
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: Duggan's offense. This year things are going well. I think

672
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: it's Savvy on Williams offense. Uh yeah, yeah.

673
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 4: I more meant like, was it Sunny Dikes's offense versus

674
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: Scare Riley?

675
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: Here?

676
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: Is it Sonny Dikes's offense or Kendall Briles's offense? Right?

677
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: Who is it? You know, the Dike's offense with Brile's elements.

678
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: Was it?

679
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: Last year?

680
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: Gart Riley's really like coming to fruition as a play

681
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: called who who is the Mastermind?

682
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: Or who was? And who is great?

683
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: That felt like a very hot takey question. So I'm

684
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: glad I.

685
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: Came off that way.

686
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: No, all good, all good. Yes. So last year it

687
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: was Garret Rally's offense. I think if you've studied Lincoln Riley,

688
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: do you study Gary Riley, you know what they you

689
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: know what they're they're running, the you know, the staying,

690
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: the drag, the leak, all that stuff like that. That

691
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: touchdown the Quintin Johnson scored against Michigan was the most

692
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: classic Lincoln Riley play I've ever seen in my time.

693
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: Like it was the wide receiver drag almost with the

694
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage completely open, and then sprints away. And

695
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: so I think that what happened is Garrett Riley had

696
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: the play sheet, and Sunny Dike's advised at times and

697
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: said maybe we do this, maybe we do this, but

698
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: but Garret Riley was fully in control. I expect that

699
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: to continue, uh to continue this year as well. I

700
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: expect the offensive Corninator to kind of take over and

701
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: Dikes to be more more advisory. I believe that Sunny

702
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: Diykes is shaping himself to be kind of one of

703
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: the modern GM style coaches where he's not going to

704
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: call plays, He's going to be overseeing things while the

705
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: offense is talking or running plays, talking whatever. He's going

706
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: to be talking to other players and kind of managing

707
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: all around as well. So I don't think that Dykes

708
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: will be any more involved in the offense, which could

709
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: mean that TC's offense looks dramatically different given you know

710
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: what Arkansas did last year and what Garrett Riley he

711
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: was prone to do last year as well.

712
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 4: You're projecting, I think, cautious optimism with regard to the

713
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 4: new cycle of offensive skill players. But you also mentioned

714
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 4: playmakers on all three levels. On defense, and is there

715
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: a position group? Is there an area of the field

716
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 4: that you have as much concern about on defense as

717
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 4: you seem to have with the interior offensive line?

718
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: Well, the Linebuckers is going to be hard to lose

719
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: a guy like de Winters, right Like that's I mean,

720
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: you just have a guy who's kind of your quote

721
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: unquot quarterback and a guy who really really kind of

722
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: inspired the team at times. There are some guys who

723
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: play really good roles you look at like Aid Kamara

724
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 2: and that kind of safety linebacker role, and then Mark

725
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: Perry will come back. How they replaced the linebackers is

726
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 2: going to be the biggest issue. That was a position

727
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: group that was hurt, that was just extremely hurt last year.

728
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: Johnny Hodges went down and guys you'd almost never heard

729
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: of were playing stepping out, but still not ideal situations.

730
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: There are some there are some question marks in that

731
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: group that have to hit their absolute top ceiling for

732
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: this game. This team to roll. Marcel Brooks haven't heard

733
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: from him in a little bit. Shad Banks again a

734
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: star in that twenty twenty one Baylor game but hasn't

735
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: really made those plays since, and some other guys who

736
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: have gotten some experience. But I think that the linebacker

737
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: position is just going to be super important for how

738
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: TCU wants to kind of restore the balance. Don Williams

739
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: comes back there, They've got Josh Newton out at corner

740
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: and so have some anchor points. And again Perry there

741
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: as kind of your run stopper in the safety. But

742
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: the linebacker position is the biggest worry for me in

743
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: the defense. TC's run defense was abysmal in twenty twenty one.

744
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: It was just bad in twenty twenty two. Can they

745
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 2: take that step to make it good enough to give

746
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: the offense a little bit more breathing room so we're

747
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: not kicking a field goal with zero seconds left on

748
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: the clock to try and win a team that you

749
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: should probably handily beat.

750
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 3: Parker.

751
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: How does TCU see itself in the remodeled version of

752
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve because the conference.

753
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: Top dog, top dog, top frog, I mean, look, the

754
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: top rog.

755
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: Sure, the conference is weirdly in a very stable place.

756
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: Despite much of the narrative before Brett or Mark got

757
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: there and the Pac twelve started its METEA orites negotiations

758
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: and whatnot, it seems like they're in a pretty good spot.

759
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: And though it sucks to have Oklahoma and Texas leave

760
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: the conference, that does create a bit of a vacuum

761
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: at the top, or at least the perceived top TCU

762
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: was there this year got to the championship. Not to

763
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: ask the same question over and over again about expectations

764
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: moving forward, but it has to at least reshape how

765
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: the fan base views the team, how the team itself,

766
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: the program itself fits in or feels it fits into this.

767
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: I don't know broader conversation about the Big Twelve in

768
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: college football? Have you given much thought to that?

769
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I think there's a lot of uncertainty about what

770
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 2: the conference is going to look like going forward, and obviously,

771
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 2: you know, Chris Climate at Kansas State is building really

772
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: solid foundations. I think they have the opportunity to perhaps

773
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: make the biggest leap in terms of being there at

774
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: the top of the conference. I think in the new

775
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: Big Twelve, given that we have schedule and balance now,

776
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: and given that there's so many more teams and talent

777
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: is dispersed, I don't think we'll see a team go

778
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: to the Big Twelve championships seven years in a row

779
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: like Oklahoma did, and this year and last year we're

780
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: kind of the first inklings of what that might look like.

781
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: The teams that get to the top are the ones

782
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: who you know, have the talent there and the schedule

783
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: breaks in their favor. They have the five home games

784
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: instead of four and all that. But TCU is concerned,

785
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 2: I think is the floor. If TCU's floor is more

786
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: so that five and four, four and five, you know,

787
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: absolute worst season is you're four and five and Big

788
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: Twelve play. That's that's going to be a market step

789
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: from kind of where they were. You're still going to

790
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: bounce up and down. I don't expect TCU to be

791
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve championship game every year, but I

792
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: expect them to be, you know, saying more often than not, darn.

793
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 2: If one or two things had gone differently, I really

794
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: feel like we could have competed for that and been

795
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: in that game. That will be a much higher floor.

796
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: So when I say TCU top dog, I think they

797
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: have facilities that are as good as, if not better

798
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: than anyone else. They have, you know, access to the

799
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 2: Texas talent, and they have some really good branding things

800
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: going on that that I think recruits like and are

801
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: active there. And with the history of recruiting and the

802
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 2: history of performance of TCU, I think they expect to

803
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: be the, if not the one of the two to

804
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: three premier teams of the new Big Twelve.

805
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: The schedule this year looks backloaded.

806
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: They will have I think ample opportunity early to try

807
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: and figure out what their new rhymes and rhythms are,

808
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: but to close out the season on the road at

809
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: case date, on the road at Texas Tech, Texas Baylor,

810
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma on the road. That's a really tough stretch. Parker.

811
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: It's hard to envision another Cinderella season like the one

812
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: we saw last year. What is a reasonable expectation for

813
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: you as you project forward into twenty three.

814
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have not done win totals, but it

815
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: definitely will be something that is hard for TCU to

816
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: reconcile with. I think having a much better record in

817
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: the first eight games of the season and then they

818
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: have to buy and then the last four. I'm going

819
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: to stick with my with my eight and four being

820
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: a pretty good season for TCU this year. That's a

821
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: reduction of five winn or four wins in the regular

822
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: season and not ideal, but certainly means hey, even with

823
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: the turnover, we can beat the teams that were more

824
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: talented than tc wasn't doing that in passing the Bowl

825
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, and with the season in twenty twenty

826
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: one being so abysmal, If they can beat teams that

827
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 2: they are more talented than, I think that that establishes

828
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: their floors pretty high. Eight and four again a pretty

829
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: good season. Maybe maybe sprinkle in there. Don't get embarrassed

830
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: by Colorado on Game one. Just don't just don't make

831
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: that mistake, and I think there's a lot longer leash.

832
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: I am interested to see how they handle kind of

833
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 2: the grind. You look at how much of a factor

834
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: injuries played in the Big Twelve Last year, TCU has

835
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: a buye on October twenty eighth. They normally have like

836
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: a week four by and then play. Last year, they

837
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: played ten straight games, which makes their undefeated season that

838
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: much crazier because they were able to, you know, sustain

839
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: that weekend and week out with a later buy I

840
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: wonder if they get a little bit more of a

841
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: breather before they go through that gauntlet. But make no mistake,

842
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: they absolutely have a gauntlet at the end of the season.

843
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: That's going to be really, really hard to sustain any

844
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: kind of level of performance that they did over the

845
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: first you know, eight games.

846
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 4: Parker, My final question, our final question is, you know,

847
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 4: we live in a chaotic world. We live in a

848
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 4: turbulent time, and so one of the nice things to

849
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: have is something that we can count on, something we

850
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 4: can look forward to, something we can just pencil in

851
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 4: as being automatic. TCU does not have a Texas win

852
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: on its schedule after this year, and that's just.

853
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: One of those things that we could count on.

854
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 4: You just you look at a schedule like, well, tc

855
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 4: is going to be Texas. TCU doesn't have any receivers,

856
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: they don't have any defensive lineman, still going to beat Texas.

857
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 4: Are you going to miss that sort of automatic element

858
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 4: of your fall?

859
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: I certainly am, you know, inso much as we're looking

860
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: at them this fall, I think we saw you know,

861
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: TCU beat Texas a lot early in the Big Twelve.

862
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: They used to do it on Thanksgiving. Texas got tired

863
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: of losing on Thanksgiving, they moved that game off of that.

864
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: Texas got tired of losing a TCU they you know,

865
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: get rid of that game. I think that that is

866
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: a little bit sad and kind of feel like, all right,

867
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: the you know, the new era is here, and it

868
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: is different to have you know, s Houston on your

869
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: on your schedule and think that's actually a pretty good rivalry.

870
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: That's kind of fun. That's that's something you should get behind.

871
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 2: I think it does make games like Texas Tech Baylor

872
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 2: uh more more important as as well. So going forward,

873
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see kind of how the new

874
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: four teams and the rivalries happen. A lot of people

875
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: forget TCU and b YU was kind of nasty for

876
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: a couple of years. Yeah, I think that's something that

877
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: potentially TCU fans will be really excited about playing and winning.

878
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: Parker Fleming stats A war on Twitter. Where else can

879
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: folks find your work?

880
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: That is the best place right now. The bet US

881
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 2: College Football Show will be kicking things off again this summer.

882
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: You can find that on YouTube and I'll shout out

883
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: to go follow Sooomer Sports doing some more stuff on

884
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: the the NFL side of things, but a lot of

885
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: cool interesting information. I'm tweeting and posting over there as

886
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: well for for for those guys. So those are the

887
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: best places to find me.

888
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: Love it wonderful.

889
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time for your wisdom.

890
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: We will definitely touch base at some point in the

891
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: future as things get rolling here. Tc you with the

892
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: follow up campaign for Sunny Dykes.

893
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: Thanks guys.

894
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: There you go, Dan Parker Fleming Stats O war. Yeah,

895
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: big stats build in a lot of blanks for me,

896
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: did he? Oh? Absolutely? Just in terms of where this.

897
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 4: Team is right now, strengths, weaknesses, expectations where things went

898
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 4: right and wrong last season. Who's responsible for pulling those

899
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 4: intellectual puppet strings. So fascinating to me TCU, just because

900
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: what they did again unprecedented to go from the team

901
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 4: they were twenty twenty, twenty twenty one into what they

902
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 4: were able to do, especially laden games. When you look

903
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: at the Baylor game, you look at the Oklahoma State game,

904
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 4: you look at the Texas game, the Kansas game.

905
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: Right that.

906
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 4: I'm always crazy impressed by teams who are just prepared

907
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 4: to win at the end of game. And I mean,

908
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: they don't do it every week, but there's a sense

909
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 4: of this is who we are when there's thirty seven

910
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 4: seconds left, this is what we are going to turn to,

911
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: this is why we expect to succeed. And ninety four

912
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 4: percent of teams don't generally have that and TCU immediately

913
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: did last year, which again crazy impressive to me.

914
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

915
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: I said this in the throes of it all last year. Yeah,

916
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: I'll say it again. The thing that I found most

917
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: interesting about TCU season was it was mostly the same

918
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: guys as the year before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was

919
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the same guys and portal help, portal

920
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: help shore. I mean, it wasn't the exact same cast

921
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: of characters, but enough returning presence that both I think

922
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: Sunny Dyke's could find challenging as well as something that

923
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: could be a bit of the wind at his back right.

924
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: This was a core of guys that knew each other

925
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: really well. This is a core of guys that played

926
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: hard despite the fact that there were diminishing returns under

927
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: Gary Patterson. It's also really hard if you're a first

928
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: year guy, because they're not your players, you didn't recruit them.

929
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: You have to try and find a way to organize

930
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: the troops quickly. And I recall when we did our previews,

931
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: I read quotes from Sunny Dyke's talking about he sees

932
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: it as a like a fifteen to eighteen month process

933
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: to fully install his system, get his guys in place.

934
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: So the fact that he was that far ahead of schedule,

935
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: obviously it says a lot about him, but it also

936
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: says a lot about the guys who were still on

937
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: the team to buy in that quickly. You know, we

938
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: throw a buy in around here jokingly to some extent,

939
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: but truly they did buy in, and they did so

940
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: very quickly. I think it just speaks a lot to

941
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: the character of the coach, of the players. Who made

942
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: last season possible with respect to the actual on field product,

943
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: but made TCU so damn watchable was the big plays.

944
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: It was lived by the sword, die by the sword.

945
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: But they were really consistent at doing it. They were

946
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: really consistent at turning in those big plays or generating

947
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: those big moments when they needed to the most. There

948
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 1: were plenty of instances last year where they were down

949
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: and somebody needed to step up and make a play,

950
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: and they just found them. They got very good at

951
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: doing it, and that's part of why I think we

952
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: second guessed our opinions as we got into playoff time

953
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: just a little bit with TCU. Now we thought Georgia

954
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: would beat him. I don't think we expected Georgia would

955
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: beat him that soundly, and we did expect that maybe

956
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: TCU would give him a game for longer than they did,

957
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: just because TCU harvested those moments throughout the course of

958
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: the season. They got so good at doing it. They

959
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: always stepped up when they had to. They couldn't in

960
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: the biggest game of the year, But so what the

961
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: fact that they made it there at all. Again, just

962
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: a huge, like a huge shout out to the entire

963
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: staff for getting things off the ground so quickly and

964
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: even making it to that game remarkable.

965
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: Let me tell you this tisn't a fan of a

966
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 4: team who did not expect to be brutalized to a

967
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 4: crazy extent by Georgia and then were I.

968
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: Can tell you can happen to any of us. Yeah,

969
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: of course, of course it can happen to any of us.

970
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 4: Oregans recruited crazy well as it was another first year coach.

971
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 4: But certainly, I mean, I think it's more about Georgia

972
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: than TCU. And I know that Parker mentioned, oh did

973
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: Garret Riley have when I foot out the door? Was

974
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: he not paying attention? I don't know if you get

975
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 4: a locked in Garrett Riley a you know, a fully

976
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 4: healthy Kendre Miller. I don't know if we're talking about

977
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 4: this as a you know, forty four point loss instead.

978
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: It's not pretty.

979
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: It's not pretty with the way Georgia played, and you know,

980
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 4: they were they almost felt like they were on borrowed

981
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 4: time because of how that Ohio State game ended. That

982
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: they were especially loose. They you know, there's just so

983
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: much deeper and so much more season considering how long

984
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 4: Kirby Smart has been in Athens that I think Parker

985
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 4: was right in that just getting there to anything that

986
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 4: you talk about with the postseason, it's all bonus, it's

987
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 4: all gravy. My question now is I suppose the question

988
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 4: that we talked about with Parker, but I just want

989
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 4: your thoughts just because again you are so emotionally intertwined

990
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 4: with all things TCU Ornfrog weirdly am. Yeah, you asked

991
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 4: the question about like, is Sunny Dyke's going to be

992
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 4: a victim of the the own bar that he set

993
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 4: his own bar. It's a fascinating question. I don't think

994
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 4: tc is the same kind of program, the same kind

995
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: of deal.

996
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: That like Michigan did that in year one, or Miami

997
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 3: did that in year one. Notre Dame did that with one.

998
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: Notre Dame right, Notre Dame right.

999
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 4: So I think TCU fans are by and large, you know,

1000
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 4: they're used to the up and down, ups and downs

1001
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 4: of recent college football fandom. But at the same time,

1002
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: they are going to expect to beat teams that they

1003
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 4: should beat. And it's interesting to me the development cycle

1004
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 4: element to all of this. TCU needs to put together

1005
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 4: and they have not really done it yet. An incredible

1006
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four class because it's not necessarily the class

1007
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: that signs, you know, two months or in this case

1008
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 4: before the national championship whatever. It's not going to be

1009
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 4: that class that is reflective of the on field success,

1010
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 4: but it's going to be those relationships that you you know,

1011
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 4: foster a year before, two years before. So then you're

1012
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 4: talking about twenty four to twenty five coming to fruition

1013
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 4: with a top fifteen, top twelve type class for tc

1014
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 4: especially if you're going to be able to sell we

1015
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 4: are the top dog again top frog in the Big twelve.

1016
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: But I think the twenty four class should absolutely reflect

1017
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 4: TCU's now place in the college football universe under Sunny Dykes,

1018
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 4: and so I think they have like two three stars

1019
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 4: committed at this moment.

1020
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: So I'm eager to see.

1021
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 4: They didn't sign a quarterback I don't think in this

1022
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 4: last class, and this year's quarterback class just in general

1023
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 4: is kind of garbage down, not great after the first

1024
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 4: one or two guys. So it's going to be a

1025
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: fascinating thing to see what is TCU able to do

1026
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 4: in the portal, what are they able to do you know,

1027
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 4: as you know they're in Texas, right, they should be

1028
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: a team that can can find talent and put together

1029
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 4: a top fifteen type class that is going to go

1030
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 4: a long ways to me to say, like, Okay, what

1031
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 4: do I expect from Sunny Dikes and TCU moving moving

1032
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 4: forward in the new look Big twelve. If it's like

1033
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 4: a top twenty five thirty class, I might start selling

1034
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 4: on the ability of TCU to be that like top

1035
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 4: tier Big twelve team. I don't know who fills the

1036
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 4: vacuum necessarily, but that would be a disappointing reality if

1037
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 4: TCU is not able to capitalize on their incredible twenty

1038
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 4: twenty two.

1039
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: Well, I look forward to the incredible things Sunny Dyke

1040
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: will do with Malik Murphy when he transfers from Texas.

1041
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: He thinks, I think he's probably gonna transfer closer to home.

1042
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, look, I look forward to what could happen

1043
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: if he decides to stay in the Great State of Texas.

1044
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 4: Well, there was like the Hudson card rumors right that,

1045
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 4: like TCU seemed like they were going to be the

1046
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 4: landing spot for like three or four different portal quarterbacks

1047
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 4: because of the success that Max Duggan had so quickly

1048
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 4: with Sunny Dikes and just didn't happen. It just didn't happen.

1049
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: They ended up elsewhere. And so that's why I asked

1050
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 4: him the question about the aggression, like why is why

1051
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 4: is TCU not bringing in whoever that if the health

1052
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 4: was there, Brennan, Armstrong, Hudson Card, any of these top

1053
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 4: flight Devin Leary, Why are these guys not more strongly

1054
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 4: considering such a quarterback friendly place like TCU appears to

1055
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 4: be and be heading for the near few.

1056
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: So that to me gave me like huh, I thought,

1057
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: I figured DZ it would be. Yeah, that's interesting.

1058
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: The question about being a victim of your own success is,

1059
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: first off, it's impossible, dancer. He answered that as best

1060
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: he could. It's impossible dancer. But this is where I

1061
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: think it actually benefits TCU that they maybe haven't been

1062
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: on the stage before. Right, you've heard that expression, act

1063
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: like you've been there before. TCU hasn't really and that's

1064
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: not intended as a knock. But the fan base, I think,

1065
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: at least in my limited interaction with the TCU fan base,

1066
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: seems relatively grounded. You know, sure you often use the

1067
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: expression turning around an aircraft carrier. If you're a fan

1068
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: of Notre Dame, if you're a fan of Michigan, if

1069
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: you're a fan of Georgia, if you're a fan of Alabama,

1070
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: the aircraft carrier has been going in the direction of

1071
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: national championship for fifty plus years. You can't turn that around.

1072
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: You can't be nimble, because that's always the expectation, full

1073
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: stop ru tcusing like a speedboat. You can turn that

1074
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: thing around on a moment's notice, and I think be

1075
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: reasonable with the expectations, understanding the fact that this maybe

1076
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: was a once in a generation type moment that they

1077
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: found themselves caught up in. They got to the national championship,

1078
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: but they're not going to jump the gun.

1079
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 3: And so this is an.

1080
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: Instance where it feels like just that flexibility of mindset,

1081
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: if you will, could perhaps benefit not only the fans

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00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: of the team, but Sunny Dikes as well, and as

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00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: they try to build this thing to a more sustainable

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00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: place where they can remain atop the conference, the new

1085
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: look Big twelve conference, you know, for a good long

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00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: time to come, and not just hit or miss.

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Speaker 4: How often should TCU in a twelve team playoff world

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Speaker 4: in which we're about to live. How often should TCU

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00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 4: under Sunny Dykes make that twelve team field and have

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00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 4: it feel realistic or reasonable? Once every four years every

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00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 4: five say, once.

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Speaker 1: Every four years feels about right? Yeah, once once per

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00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: one cycle like cycle generation. Yeah, yeah, I think I

1094
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: think that feels. That feels like an honest place to be.

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00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: You know, there will be more bites at the Apple

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00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: in the twelve team setup, and it will be easier

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00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: to get in. It won't be as exclusive a club

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00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: as it is now, and we may find that some

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Speaker 1: teams make it and they don't deserve to be in it.

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00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: But that being said, that will be the new bar

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00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: by which we grade out coaches. Are they able to

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Speaker 1: get to that big dance?

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00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I still think the Big twelve is going to have

1105
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 4: a similar problem that the PAC twelve has. They're like, look,

1106
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 4: your champ's going to get in, right, Let's be realistic.

1107
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 4: The champ's going to get in, especially with the way

1108
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 4: it's laid out and it's the top. However, many conferences like.

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Speaker 3: They're going to get in.

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Speaker 4: But then when you look at the at large bits,

1111
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 4: is the Big twelve going to be seen as favorably.

1112
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 4: Is the PAC twelve going to be seen as favorably

1113
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 4: as the Big ten and the SEC? Where you're like, okay,

1114
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 4: toss up. Is it going to be second place TCU

1115
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 4: or second place LSU right where I think the conference

1116
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 4: or second place Washington, second place whoever, Utah in the

1117
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 4: PAC twelve, We're like.

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00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 3: Well, they seem good, but I don't know if I

1119
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: trust that road.

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Speaker 4: And so that's the issue to me with these conferences

1121
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 4: that because at the top there's so much confusion, or

1122
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 4: there's so much that people probably underestimate traditionally, that it's

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Speaker 4: going to be that much more difficult for a Big

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Speaker 4: twelve or PAC twelve, or maybe to a lesser extent

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00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 4: ACC team to get in, just because now the Big

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00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 4: ten and the SEC are just so top loaded with

1127
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 4: premier type programs at the top.

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Speaker 1: Well, look one way or another, it's very interesting that

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00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: we're having this conversation at all about TCU. Definitely, we

1130
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: were in the position to save the quote unquote best

1131
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: for last, and TCU is the topic of discussion because

1132
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: it's very rare in this era of college football that

1133
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: we have new teams about saying.

1134
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: It's a rare condition in this day and age. Is

1135
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: that what you're saying a little bit?

1136
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, just making sure a little bit now

1137
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: my fifth decade of life, as you know.

1138
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: So do you think so? Are you you're bullish on TC?

1139
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: I am.

1140
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Speaker 1: I think Parker took a very reasoned approach to answering

1141
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: our questions, and I don't think he's jumping the gun.

1142
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: I think he recognizes that there could have been a

1143
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: little bit of a of a boom or bust with

1144
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: the last season, and we just happen to see all

1145
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: the boom, and that regression frequently happens. So if we're

1146
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: having this conversation a year from now and we're anywhere

1147
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: close to double digit wins, then two in this case

1148
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: is a very very positive trend. But I remain bullish.

1149
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: I like what Sunny Dykes did in year one with

1150
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: other players. I'm curious to see now as he starts

1151
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: to filter more of his own guys in there, how

1152
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: things look different and some staff turnover, right. I mean,

1153
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: it's sure it will be a challenge in year two,

1154
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: to say the least. I don't expect the same level

1155
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: of success, but I didn't last year either. I'm eager

1156
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: to be pleasantly surprised.

1157
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna use my Baker Mayfield voice here. I'm

1158
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 4: a bit worried about TCU in the short and medium

1159
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 4: term because who's my quarterback now? Most teams who are

1160
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 4: considered to be top tier in their conferences, You're like, look,

1161
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 4: we got our guy for at least this year, and

1162
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 4: it looks like we have our guy of the future

1163
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 4: in the fold. TCU is like squarely in the maybe

1164
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 4: part of the Venn diagram. They're maybe in an okay place.

1165
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 4: You heard some of the skepticism about Chandler Morris. I

1166
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 4: have to go back and watch some more Chandler Morris,

1167
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 4: even though there's not much tape. I just the quarterback

1168
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 4: room right now, and it's it's easy to get better

1169
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 4: quickly with the portal. But that to me is just

1170
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 4: like against the teams with the team that TCU measures

1171
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 4: itself against, which I now think has been bumped up

1172
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 4: a tier after last year. They are not in an

1173
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 4: amazing place. Matt Baker Mayfeld voice concerns me a little bit.

1174
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: It does write in let us know what you think

1175
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: about TCU about really all of the teams that we

1176
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: discussed here over the last couple of weeks. Go back

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1180
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Speaker 1: Just go back and listen watch all of them. We

1181
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: guarantee you will learn something new about each of the

1182
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,640
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1186
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Speaker 1: Dan and I do on a weekly basis. Dan next

1188
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: week is Draft weeks, so we got to talk about

1189
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. We also need to play catch on college

1190
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: football news. Spring games, of course are in full swing,

1191
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: got a couple weeks of them in the books already.

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Speaker 1: More to come this weekend as people listen to this

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. So much more to discuss in the world

1194
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: of college football. It does not seem like things have

1195
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: eased up. One iote it maybe a little bit in

1196
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: the offseason, but we're now fully entrenched in the year

1197
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: round news cycle that is college football, and we eagerly

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Speaker 1: await the opportunity to talk about some new things now,

1199
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: look ahead into next season and for the short term

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Speaker 1: next week.

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00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1202
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Speaker 1: So I have big thanks to Parker Fleming, our guest

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Speaker 1: of honor. Make sure you follow him stats oh War

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Speaker 1: on Twitter in the meantime, for that guy over there,

1205
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Ty Hildebrand. Thanks

1206
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Speaker 1: for tuning in, downloading, and supporting the show.

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Speaker 3: Say so Peace,