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Speaker 1: I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells. We got

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Speaker 1: a special guest in the building, the legend of the building.

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Speaker 1: To my left, we're gonna introduce my man's last But

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Speaker 3: How you wasn't nasty? How you what nasty? I'm good today, baby?

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Speaker 3: Oh you got the hat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go. Let's go see a lot of things. Hey,

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Speaker 1: shout out to Melly, Shout out to JM.

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Speaker 3: Got it in them all, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to the merged game gate. To my right,

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Speaker 3: How you a man?

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Speaker 1: Good man, hype man. We got another legend in the building.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, he was with your pacers. Yes, sir, he

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Speaker 3: To be on the team. But now I'm glad we

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Speaker 1: Man, i'n'a let you do the honors and introduce listen man,

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Speaker 1: We gigged about this, you've seen this man, champion, philanthropist,

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Speaker 4: God, thanks for having me man, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: What that has said. How you would that's flying? That's

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Speaker 1: You didn't want to hear that, But you a PACER's

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Speaker 5: And I felt bad for him because he playing on

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Speaker 2: Did you ever go up against Tim Thomas squad.

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Speaker 5: Was a year older than us. We were younger. Tim

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Speaker 3: Was he really like that in high school?

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Speaker 4: My goodness. He was pretty solid league.

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Speaker 5: He was nice, played the same way, played the same way,

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Speaker 3: I was playing above the realm.

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Speaker 5: Tournament was it was? It was one of my favorite

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Speaker 5: A lot of people don't know about Portchester.

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Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite. I wouldn't have played that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Man, we could move on, but I had, I mean

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Speaker 5: It was a guy named Mike Chaffill from my neighborhood,

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Speaker 5: Mike Chatfield. I was thirteen. He beat me thirty two

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Speaker 4: You know that that I thought was nice.

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Speaker 1: For sure, Dan been a pacer, Larry, we could have

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Speaker 5: That was It was random because I respect Andre's work ethic,

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Speaker 4: You can't You're.

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Speaker 5: Not gonna win a battle with Andre. You ain't winning

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Speaker 5: no battle. But I'd be like, man, your boy. Then

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Speaker 5: I ain't getting no fould andres my god. But he's tough.

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Speaker 5: You know, he was solid, and you know I wanted

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Speaker 5: Definitely, man, definitely, I was. I love playing with dogs, man,

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Speaker 1: That's the craziest part is like obviously when you came

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Speaker 1: I get it, But that time period especially, I was like,

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Speaker 3: When this ship, I feel like we were the best

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but for sure, oh hold on, yeah, and no

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Speaker 3: Here, it was different, brof we believed it.

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Speaker 1: Then pin strips, bro I mean a little flowed, but

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Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody was. Everybody was too way. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: everybody was two way. Jamaine could have won Defensive Player. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: You know? So I feel like Jamaine was getting slighter,

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Speaker 5: He's so professional, you know, he's I brought him down

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Speaker 5: and he's still resilient. It's still fly like he was

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Speaker 1: Your legendary pickup game with MJ Man, How was that

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Speaker 5: Incredible. It was incredible because so I'm from I'm from

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Speaker 4: So MJ. I idolized MJ.

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Speaker 5: You know, turn I got Defensive Player of the Year

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Speaker 5: And then when I was nineteen, we had these open runs,

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Speaker 5: When he The problem with MJ is when he get

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Speaker 5: So I seen him holding it. So we go down,

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Speaker 5: get the ball, He hold it, come down free throw line,

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Speaker 4: Off the court. I'm like, damn, MJ. Nice.

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Speaker 5: And then the next day I get a I seen

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Speaker 5: can't leave the house. I'm not going to practices in summertime.

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Speaker 5: But we're still training. So I'm and my agent called me.

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Speaker 5: My agent called me, He like, where are you at?

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Speaker 5: I said, read read the paper. I'm I'm depressed. This

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Speaker 5: I was really depressed. He said, hey's all right, Man's

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Speaker 5: all right, young fella. Just on the phone. It's all right,

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Speaker 5: you didn't mean, I.

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Speaker 5: And my bad man. I was just playing hard. But

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Speaker 5: We was going hard. And m J actually asked me

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Speaker 5: I was like, he was like, yeah, could you giving

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 5: My defense was crazy the whole time. My offense wasn't there,

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Speaker 5: it was definitely a lead at nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know you was full of energy one time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not tired. Don't get tired.

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Speaker 1: When did that offense click though? Because you can't? Hey

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: All right, I know I can guard everybody. I'm locking

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Speaker 5: You know, Like so when I was young, I wasn't

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Speaker 5: When I got to the league, I was at averaging eleven,

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Speaker 4: So every year I kept improving, just.

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Speaker 4: And I just paldled on. I just kept getting better.

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Speaker 5: I was getting better every week. Every two weeks game

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Speaker 5: I was at twenty four. I was at twenty four game.

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Speaker 5: You'll see jab wonderuble shot once you were right shot,

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Speaker 2: He said, no, you finished that.

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Speaker 5: One day he's in practice. He was like, Ron, you're

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Speaker 2: You was a real two way player, bro. I used

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Speaker 2: to be like, how the fuck is he averaging twenty

457
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Speaker 2: four points and still playing the whole game on the

458
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Speaker 2: defensive end? What the fuck is he taking? I just

459
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Speaker 2: where did that come from? Is that always how you've

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Speaker 2: been THO? Like high energy? I mean like able to play? Well,

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Speaker 2: what's crazy?

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Speaker 4: Was I had?

463
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Speaker 5: I had a heart member when I was thirteen because

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Speaker 5: I was playing all day one day. Had to go

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Speaker 5: to the hospital because I was playing from seven am

466
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Speaker 5: to seven pm, right, so then I have to go

467
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Speaker 5: to the hospital. I caught pneumonia, but I caught an

468
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Speaker 5: issue in my valve in my lungs, so I get drafted.

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Speaker 5: They missed the whole thing before I'm assigned my contract.

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Speaker 5: Donny Wall saying, and you got blood leaking in your lungs, said,

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Speaker 5: what you mean? I go to the doctor. They say,

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Speaker 5: we got to open you up. What so they had

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Speaker 5: they was gonna open my chest up, and I'm like,

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Speaker 5: I get I'm like, get this ship. I'm not get

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Speaker 5: it over with. So my my agent, Mark bottles team.

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Speaker 5: He's like, He's like, I'm not letting him open up

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Speaker 5: your chest. I said, well, let's just get it over

478
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Speaker 5: a year and a half. I'm like, we'll just do

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Speaker 5: it whatever. Then they said, now we're gonna go. We're

480
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Speaker 5: gonna go through your underone. It's gonna be you. It'd

481
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Speaker 5: be about eight months, so cool, get it over with.

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Speaker 5: And then Mark said, nah, I'm not letting it go down.

483
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Speaker 5: So then Mark was researching. They went through an artery

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Speaker 5: in my thigh. They plugged up the hole in my heart.

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Speaker 5: So this whole time, I'm working extra hard and I'm like, damn,

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Speaker 5: why am I always tired in the first quarter?

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I'm always tired me.

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Speaker 5: And meanwhile I'm I'm playing defense exhausted every time.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 5: When they did the surgery, the doctor said it took

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Speaker 5: forty minutes. I went I went from being out a

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Speaker 5: year and a half to a forty minute surgery. The

494
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Speaker 5: doctor said, don't play basketball. I was in Chicago. I

495
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Speaker 5: went to Chicago surgery over he said, don't do anything

496
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Speaker 5: for a week. I drive right back to the gym,

497
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Speaker 5: to paces and I go right to work. Right my

498
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Speaker 5: heart stop my chest. So I caught called the train

499
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Speaker 5: and no trainers. I called my doctor. I said, your dot,

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Speaker 5: my heart is like something happened and was pumping out

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Speaker 5: my chest.

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Speaker 4: He said, what are you doing? I said, I'm working out?

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Speaker 4: He said, did I tell you?

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Speaker 5: Did I tell you the work out? So I took

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Speaker 5: off about I took off like two weeks, and then

506
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Speaker 5: I came back that next ship. It was crazy. I

507
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Speaker 5: have so much energy. B yeah, the blood. I was

508
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Speaker 5: playing with blood in my lungs. I had this one cough,

509
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Speaker 5: coughed up some blood. It was natural. And then you know,

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Speaker 5: ever since then, I was just like the game became

511
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Speaker 5: easier for me.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy that you had to fight yourself just

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Speaker 1: against them, and now.

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Speaker 3: You mocking them or died. Allright, I'm back to pick

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Speaker 3: up next week.

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Speaker 1: But that shout out to you, though agent, a great

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Speaker 1: agent is a great agent. But like a lot of guys,

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Speaker 1: they agent wanted to know that they want to took

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Speaker 1: those steps to do that.

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Speaker 5: He cared, even though I wasn't with him for a

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Speaker 5: long time because I had other things I was going through.

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Speaker 4: I should have never I should have never part of

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Speaker 4: the ways of Mark.

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Speaker 5: But I want to give him credit because without him

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Speaker 5: my check, I would haven They would open.

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Speaker 3: Me up for sure.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, there's a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of agents that would have just took that first opinion.

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Speaker 1: Also life that could have altered your whole career, especially

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Speaker 1: that time period that a little bit more lenient with

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Speaker 1: players now developing. Being I hurt a year back then

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Speaker 1: was really like two and a half. That could have

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Speaker 1: set your career all the way back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was, I was. I was.

535
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Speaker 5: I was devastating because you know, I played so hard

536
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Speaker 5: and it was just it was just so many things

537
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Speaker 5: going through my mind, you know. And and and Marcus like, nah,

538
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Speaker 5: we were gonna find something else. And he found somebody

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Speaker 5: from overseas that lived in Chicago to do the special surgery.

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Speaker 2: Credible, that's crazy, that's dope.

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Speaker 1: Who and what do you say young players? Now I

542
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Speaker 1: know you still follow league. Who are the young players

543
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Speaker 1: say remind you of you? Or that you favorite a lot?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: You know, And I always I always answered this question

546
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Speaker 5: with I kind of reverse it. Who would I want

547
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Speaker 5: to be like. That's because like my career, it would

548
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Speaker 5: have been different if I was I was unstable. I

549
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 5: was just playing off the talent. I had the hard work.

550
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Speaker 5: I still got a lot of awards. But who I

551
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Speaker 5: want to be like Kawhi Lennett one? I could you

552
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Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, I would love it to have

553
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Speaker 5: been like him or and now I'm looking at this

554
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Speaker 5: Naxie kid. Oh my good, he's both ways huh oh

555
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Speaker 5: he is so nice.

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Speaker 4: I like his game.

557
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Speaker 5: But kawhile Linney, it's somebody I felt like that would

558
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Speaker 5: have been my career.

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Speaker 3: I could definitely see that.

560
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Speaker 5: That's like, if it was a little more he was,

561
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Speaker 5: he'd be the best player in the league.

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Speaker 3: And U only six two bro, no way, Yeah yeah

563
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Speaker 3: maxic for Philly.

564
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Speaker 7: Yeah, like my being wrong, like it makes it even

565
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Speaker 7: crazy size and the fact that you compare yourself to him.

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Speaker 3: It is incredible. Bro. But yeah, he ain't.

567
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Speaker 4: He ain't. That's crazy.

568
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Speaker 5: Because somebody kept telling me I got to watch this

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Speaker 5: kid because I watch a little bit. I don't watch

570
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Speaker 5: a lot of basketball, watch a little bit, you know.

571
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Speaker 5: I watch more boxing, love boxing, And somebody said, you

572
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Speaker 5: gotta wash this kid. You gotta wash this kid. And

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Speaker 5: they've been telling me for years and when I watched him,

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Speaker 5: I dam she's nice.

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Speaker 3: I thought he was six seven. That's crazy that you

576
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Speaker 3: thought he was tall.

577
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Speaker 4: Like six all right, Well, you know you know that's

578
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Speaker 4: not told Kawhi. Yeah, another player.

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Speaker 1: That's definitely, yeah, for sure, that was that's that's right.

580
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Speaker 3: Mexic Carrier that was about six five. The world will

581
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Speaker 3: be in Yeah, it would be different. Man.

582
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Speaker 1: Now I got asked you about this. Obviously played for

583
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Speaker 1: a couple of different teams. What was your favorite seed

584
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Speaker 1: to play in?

585
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Speaker 4: My favorite city outside that?

586
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Speaker 5: Outside of that, it's a lot of different variable I

587
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Speaker 5: played in l A.

588
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Speaker 4: L A was crazy.

589
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Speaker 5: I would say Chicago was pretty insane because MJ was dead,

590
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Speaker 5: you know, and they was. They was behind us too, man,

591
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Speaker 5: they was behind us. But I gotta say l A

592
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Speaker 5: l A. You know, l A the energy And then

593
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Speaker 5: it was crazy because when you came into that building,

594
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Speaker 5: the fans knew somebody was getting locked up.

595
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Speaker 4: It was a different It.

596
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Speaker 5: Was a different energy, like y'all good tonight, how y'all

597
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Speaker 5: feel tonight, don't worry too much.

598
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Speaker 4: It was a different energy. So NAP is always gonna

599
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Speaker 4: be in there.

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Speaker 5: But you said, but I would say, la, because you're

601
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Speaker 5: playing with Kobe and you're playing for championships. I almost

602
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Speaker 5: didn't even go to the Lakers. I was actually trying

603
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Speaker 5: to come back to Naptown. Actually, really, I was trying

604
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 5: to come back to Indiana. That was my first choice.

605
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Speaker 5: The history. It was too much, too much history, dude.

606
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Speaker 5: You know, can I be trusted? Can I be relied on?

607
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 4: You know? I wasn't a reliable player, so put me

608
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Speaker 4: in a bad spot.

609
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Speaker 1: See my favorite version of you as your career went.

610
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Speaker 1: I love when you was in Houston, boy, came with

611
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Speaker 1: the mallhawk. You was getting buckets. That's what I was like,

612
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Speaker 1: Damn me really get buckets.

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Speaker 3: Were still rapping.

614
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Speaker 5: I was still rapping. I did four albums my last year.

615
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Speaker 5: Not nobody heard. I put on his iTunes. I did

616
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Speaker 5: four albums my last season. I took it off.

617
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Speaker 4: I took it.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't like it wasn't it was just quick sixteen songs.

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Speaker 5: Knocked them out in number sixteen. But you know that

620
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Speaker 5: was just like fun, Yeah, it was fun. I'm from

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Speaker 5: a Queenslances like Nasi's right there, mall deep right here?

622
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Speaker 3: Huh give they give me problems about like.

623
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Speaker 2: I gotta grow you all right, we jump all over

624
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Speaker 2: the place, excuse us in the building. Who would you?

625
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Speaker 2: Who's in your not? You don't have to grank him

626
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Speaker 2: or nothing. But who's your favorite three rappers from?

627
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Speaker 3: And why?

628
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Speaker 4: Favorite three rappers? I would say Nas big L Pun.

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Speaker 3: I love Pun too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's you know, it could change, but you

631
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Speaker 5: know Pun is incredible. Obviously jay Z is incredible, you know,

632
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Speaker 5: But yes.

633
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Speaker 2: What was you warming up to in them games? Man

634
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Speaker 2: to him? I have a picture of himself on his

635
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Speaker 2: phone screen.

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Speaker 3: And I ain't gonna hold you.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you had one of the hardest songs on two

638
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Speaker 1: K when you loaded up two K.

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Speaker 5: That moment of that was that ship that was that

640
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Speaker 5: was That was my most successful record. The other ones

641
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Speaker 5: was done, but it was it was Eminem a little bit,

642
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Speaker 5: It was mob Deep at the gate, it.

643
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Speaker 4: Was it was Mary J. Blige a lot s WVS.

644
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Speaker 4: I was an R and B. I love R and B.

645
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Speaker 5: But I said in Indiana I had to stop listening

646
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Speaker 5: to Mam Deep and Eminem four games.

647
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Speaker 4: Because yeah, man, I'm too, I'm not turning the Eminem.

648
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Speaker 5: Some shady bring like you bring like Yeah, let's go like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I coached high school.

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Speaker 1: I had to tell my kids they couldn't listen to

651
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Speaker 1: the NBA young boy, because they'd be too hype. We

652
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Speaker 1: listened to Shot before the game. I said, you got cop,

653
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: that's shot before Bro, that'd be too hype. I had

654
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Speaker 1: to stop listening to rap. I stopped listening to rap

655
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Speaker 1: before a game in two thousand and five. No more,

656
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Speaker 1: it's over, it's too much.

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00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 5: I started listening to this other type of music, R

658
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 5: and B or like jazz or something that I was

659
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 5: listening to, some jazz like I.

660
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 4: Got later in my career.

661
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: Show No, but how was it once you got to

662
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: l a man?

663
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: How was that?

664
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: Like Kobe make a phone call like hey my boy,

665
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: I need you slide or it was.

666
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 5: It was crazy because so I was in Houston, and

667
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna talk about things that was promised.

668
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: You know that'd be going. I don't want to talk

669
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 4: about it.

670
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 5: But I had a great season, so actually in Houston,

671
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 5: I wanted to stay in Houston. I came, I came out.

672
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 5: I thought I was gonna play Teamers. I was playing

673
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 5: two minutes again, five minutes again, eight minutes, so I said,

674
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 5: damn contract. Yeah, I'm sick. I'm in my prime twenty eight,

675
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 5: I'm sick, I'm playing. I'm like, all right, all right,

676
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 5: my career is pretty much over. I am ana deal

677
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 5: with it. Cheering, cheering on the bench. You know, I

678
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 5: thought I should.

679
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 4: Shane Batty was playing t mac t mat get hurt.

680
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 5: Then I started playing my average go from what a

681
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 5: five to seventeen, you know, being one of the now

682
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 5: featured the team, so we could get to the playoffs.

683
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 5: We take the team out the first round for the

684
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 5: first time in twelve years since our king was dead,

685
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 5: you know, next to Brandon Roy Nice b.

686
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: Roy one of my favorite players of all time.

687
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: Yo, b Roy was You've got a classic interview talking

688
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: about him, so nice said no flaws in this game.

689
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 4: Nice yea he was that nice. Roy was nice like

690
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 4: way nice.

691
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: So me and Small Corpe, one of my my good guys,

692
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: a good dude, Me and him, used to battle about

693
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: him and Joe Johnson.

694
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: Who was better Joe b Roy and John b Roy

695
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: is not even close?

696
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 5: Uh No, I don't love Joe is not that He's

697
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 5: just saying, like as I was.

698
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: Me going both of them then I gotta respect it

699
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: because you are who you are.

700
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: You know, Roy was tougher than you know.

701
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 5: He had that that that d surgery. He gave me

702
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 5: forty and nobody gave me forty.

703
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 4: You know. The forty was in my face.

704
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: Damn you know what I'm saying.

705
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: And I was like, I was, I was baffoot.

706
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 5: I'm like here, I am in my prime, I'm in

707
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 5: his ass all that, and he just.

708
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: Go right, go right, faith.

709
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: Like it's definitely crazy.

710
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 5: That was crazy, Yeah, Paul, we wanted.

711
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: Was same man the rock.

712
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 4: The second was crazy. Yeah, yo, I gotta get on my.

713
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: I was so much other ship.

714
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: We can talk about that crazy.

715
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy. But hey, dang dash camb.

716
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: But I can I can respect that because you definitely

717
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: guarded all the best players in the league.

718
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: So your word goes, No, he was nice.

719
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: I got him up out of there early.

720
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 5: We put him out of you in uh in the

721
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 5: we played them in the first round, got him up

722
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 5: out of there. And first we was a sixth seed.

723
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: There was a three, So we got them up out

724
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 5: of there. And then the next year, I mean the

725
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 5: next the next round, I was aving twenty five.

726
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 4: I was playing really well. So I thought I was

727
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 4: back to Houston.

728
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 5: And then I said, all right, since I'm not going

729
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 5: back to Houston because they didn't offer, we don't want

730
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 5: to get into that, then I want to come back.

731
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 4: In that town. I never thought about going. The Lakers

732
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 4: just beat us, so I'm super competitive.

733
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 5: You know, King j I suppose I wanted went to Cleveland,

734
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 5: but I'm super competitive.

735
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 4: I want to play.

736
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 5: Against all his dudes. So I ain't go to Cleveland

737
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 5: because because of that. Now, because I love I love

738
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 5: King James. And then when Indiana turned me down, then

739
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 5: I called the Troy. I was I want to go

740
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 5: to Detroit and I want I'm all about the story

741
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 5: and I was like, damn, that should have be dope.

742
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 5: If I can win the title here, alright, cool, I

743
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 5: can't win the title in Indiana, that should be dope.

744
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 5: I can win the title, Troy. But then Detroit was like,

745
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 5: you know, not too much has happened.

746
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 3: I would love to hear how that phone call with Well.

747
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 5: I told my agents, and my agent was like, they

748
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 5: was like, nah, you don't. I was, I'm like, yeah,

749
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 5: a lot.

750
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: Of history I want to get into.

751
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 4: I like to go into the fire. I like to

752
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 4: go into the Lions.

753
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 5: Then, you know, I love being in the mouth of

754
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 5: the lion, you know, so when when when that and

755
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 5: when that didn't happen, I ain't even want to go

756
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 5: to the league. I tried to go to Greece, but

757
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 5: I'm like, there's nobody I want to play well talk.

758
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 5: My my agent was David Bowman, so I said, David,

759
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna go to you know, Indiana or the Knicks.

760
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 5: Was like, the Knicks wasn't an option because then Donnie

761
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 5: Olsh was with the Knicks. Here's my GM here. I

762
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 5: tried to go to the Knicks, but that was like

763
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 5: it was just too much history then, so I said,

764
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 5: I I'm just gonna go to Greece. But I always

765
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 5: wanted to go to Europe and just ball out in

766
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 5: my prime. But then I get a call from the Lakers,

767
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 5: you know, uh, midnight, and might just say, you know,

768
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 5: the Lakers they want to talk to you, And I

769
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 5: was like, for what they just beat us, man, they

770
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 5: want to talk about they want you to join their team.

771
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 5: I called my family, met with dodtor Bus the next

772
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 5: morning and that was it.

773
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: Cham I've been watching Winter Time man and just to

774
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: see how he ran the organization. So I can imagine how,

775
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: like you said, it was such a smooth transaction. You

776
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: went from I ain't going nowhere to doctor Bus called

777
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: us up. He was that good like good.

778
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 5: He's a hands off you know a lot of hands

779
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 5: off on them, and you know he's not. You can't

780
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 5: go to doctor Bus and say, oh, I'm upset because

781
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 5: I ain't playing. You go said, he got talked to

782
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 5: the coach or you could talk to him. So you

783
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 5: feel like you're part of the organization. You feel like

784
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 5: you really you're in tune with owner. He's incredible. He's incredible.

785
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 4: RP. Doctor Buss.

786
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But that that championship run y'all had, like y'all

787
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: have that series, it gets the Celtics and still one

788
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: of the best NBA finals ever man.

789
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 3: And it was wild.

790
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: How was it like, playing like like you said, you're

791
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: playing with cod in that environment in the churches.

792
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: How was that feeling?

793
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 6: Like?

794
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: Was that probably why your favorite like basketball series you

795
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: ever played in?

796
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 3: One of the best of them?

797
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 5: For me personally, when I was in Houston, I was

798
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 5: I was in my prime in Houston, But when I

799
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 5: got to the Lakers the next year, I was still,

800
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 5: you can't get worse in your prime in four months.

801
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 5: So I was still. I was really, but you know,

802
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 5: you're playing with Kobe. So I had to change my

803
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 5: whole mindset. I actually asked for a trade that yeah,

804
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 5: because I just couldn't get off. And then I met

805
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 5: with doctor Buss. He was like, hey, we're just trying

806
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 5: to win, and I had to say, okay, role player,

807
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 5: role player time, role player time, role player time. That

808
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 5: was a tough adjustment. So that was that was So

809
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 5: when I got to the point where I accepted the role,

810
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 5: I started to excel in a role, you know, and

811
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 5: it's hard being a volume shooter. Then going down to

812
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 5: five shots maybe eight missing shots. You oh for four

813
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 5: one game, I feel like, oh for twenty.

814
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: I feel like, don't miss the open one, Oh my goodness.

815
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: You know.

816
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 5: So then I had to get comfortable with being a

817
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 5: role player and almost being a bad player, you know,

818
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 5: and you know, so you know, from that perspective, you know,

819
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 5: it was it was a hell of a run. You know,

820
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 5: Kobe was incredible. And what was the first part of

821
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 5: the question of about I was, I was kind.

822
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: Of friend now you good.

823
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: I was just saying, like that environment like how it

824
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: was because like we all watched that face like still

825
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: like that was one of the best series ever.

826
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 4: Now it was crazy.

827
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 5: So playing as the Celtic, be and Paul got history

828
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 5: from Indiana paces. So when we was, you know, with

829
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 5: the Lakers paces, I'm sorry, with the and Celtics, it

830
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 5: was tough.

831
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: It was like a mirror. It was two very identical teams.

832
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: Yep.

833
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 5: You know, we win game one, they come back and win.

834
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 5: You know, we go to their place, get the first win.

835
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 5: It's back, it's back to one our favor.

836
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: We had home court. They won the next two.

837
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 5: In Game five, Kobe scored twenty five straight points and

838
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 5: I'm just in all you know, we in a finals

839
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 5: and I'm just like, for about full five possessions. I'm

840
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 5: just like, you know, this dude is incredible. In my head,

841
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 5: I'm not even focused on the game. I'm just like,

842
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is incredible. This dude got all our points.

843
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 5: I'm trying to win the title and he's doing it

844
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 5: without our help. We's playing defense, but he's pretty much

845
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 5: doing it all himself. We lose the game and then

846
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 5: he was down three two, and then Phil Jackson came

847
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 5: to me and was like, I need you to get buckets.

848
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 5: He said, I need you to score, and I was

849
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 5: like really, And I did not expect to hear that.

850
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 4: My mindset would just work. Then I came out.

851
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 5: I had four points in the prior game four, then two,

852
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 5: then in game six, I get eighteens in game twenty,

853
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 5: I mean game seven after twenty you know. So I

854
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 5: was like, he gave me that extra confidence, you know,

855
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 5: to put the ball in the basket. I'm like, yeah,

856
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 5: I've been waiting.

857
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 4: For you to tell me. Yeah. But it was an

858
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: incredible run.

859
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: You really kept your jersey on that whole day.

860
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. It was crazy. I won my first title.

861
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 4: I was involved.

862
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 5: It was a different feeling because I'm like, oh my goodness,

863
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 5: I had a big game.

864
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 4: You know. It's like, you know, so everything was complete.

865
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: You know.

866
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 5: I had a great individual career. I got a Defensive

867
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 5: Player of the Year. I was trying to get MVP

868
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 5: that didn't happen. Now I got my table. I've been

869
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 5: an All Star once, so I'm happy. I'm content, you know.

870
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 5: And then I'm like, damn, I just think I kept

871
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 5: my I kept my finger tape on.

872
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 4: I didn't want to take nothing off. I kept my

873
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 4: I went out.

874
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 5: We partied it too. I went out everywhere I was.

875
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 5: I was like seven different clubs. I ended up in

876
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 5: the studio with dre performing Champions Recording Champions Part two.

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Speaker 4: Blowing it down. That was the end of my night.

878
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: It was wild.

879
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 5: Then I gave Chris Brown my jersey because I was

880
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 5: just so excited. And then I was super exciting Chris

881
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 5: Brown was and he was there. He was like, you know,

882
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 5: let me get that jersey. And I was like, damn,

883
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 5: you really want my jersey?

884
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, you can have it back now.

885
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: No.

886
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 5: I was like, just don't lose it, you know, I

887
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 5: just don't lose it, Like this is important to me.

888
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 5: And to this day, I'm somebody went to his house

889
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 5: and he got he still got the jersey.

890
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.

891
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 5: I was just so happy that, you know, that jersey.

892
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 5: It meant something to me. And for somebody like him

893
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 5: in his prime to ask for it, I'm like, hell.

894
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah it is Paul Pierce up there in like one

895
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: of your top matchup.

896
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: He ain't your top five so.

897
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 5: Far as opponents, Yeah, Paul, Yeah, Paul Weather the stone

898
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 5: because I was he could have folded, he could have

899
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 5: folded the amount of pressure I was putting on him. Yeah,

900
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 5: every minute, every game he could he never felt he

901
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 5: never folded. You know, he had great games against me,

902
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 5: and I had great defensive games against him, offensive games also.

903
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 5: So he's definitely one of my toughest opponents. Yeah, he's tough,

904
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 5: he's clutch.

905
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: You had one of my favorite players under ten points

906
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: before too. I was upset which one was Mellow Man

907
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 2: car Mellow.

908
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 5: I love Mellow, Mellow, mellows tough, Mello, I love Mellow.

909
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 5: Was I had to give one hundred against Metal. I

910
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 5: couldn't take a I couldn't take a breather. So if

911
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 5: you go out to the club against me, you asking

912
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 5: to not score, you can't go out. Yeah, so I

913
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 5: don't know what he was doing on some of those nights, you.

914
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: Know outside, I wait, what scene was you on when

915
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 3: he was when.

916
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: You pacers man all the prices when this happened.

917
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 5: But one time, you know, Mellow, I thought that, obviously

918
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 5: he's a great player. I thought he could have worked

919
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 5: a little harder to get in shape. He did at

920
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 5: the end of his career. If you notice, at the

921
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 5: end of his career he was he was hustling. I thought,

922
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 5: if you would have put that to in the beginning

923
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 5: of his career, he would have been a different player.

924
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 5: But he was just scoring the ball so easy. But

925
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 5: you know, it made it easier for me. You know,

926
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 5: a guy like Lebron I wasn't ready for that. He's

927
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 5: in shape, you know what I mean. Well, he's in

928
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 5: shape could play. So if you was out of shape

929
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 5: a little bit, you know it was gonna be hard.

930
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Speaker 1: And that's crazy because one of the first one of

931
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: his first games in the league was gets the Pacers.

932
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: How was that like the first time you got to see,

933
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: like play against him in person.

934
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Speaker 5: He gave me twenty five. I remember the day clearly.

935
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 5: Twenty five was a lot twenty five in my prome.

936
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 5: That was like thirty eight forty. And when he did that,

937
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 5: I was like, this kid, is nobody was scoring twenty five,

938
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

939
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, go in the game and telling

940
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: somebody that average twenty five that they're not getting twenty five?

941
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Speaker 3: You really going. He was like that, bro, he was

942
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: like that.

943
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: As we know, he's one of the people like even

944
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: we started to see it now with Steph like he's

945
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: getting celebration now, but was like, we we're gonna really

946
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: miss Broun, Like we we put so much pressure on

947
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: him and he overcame all that stuff. But it's just

948
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: like y'all don't know, like he came into the league

949
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: and has dominated every since. We've not seen somebody step

950
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Speaker 1: into the league and dominate all the way through.

951
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 4: All the way through.

952
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 2: Who was an underrated who was an underrated player? That

953
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: right spoke on them? People know that gave you buckers

954
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: that you.

955
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 4: Secretly true, It's like that's true true.

956
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 5: There's people that can you know, can say I scored

957
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 5: on you a lot too, but they wasn't super stuff. Yeah,

958
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 5: you know, I would say some people out of my position,

959
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 5: like a guy like Jamal Crawted, not really in my position.

960
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 5: I'm too sixty. You know, he's you know, but I

961
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 5: have to guard him sometimes. You know, that tough. That

962
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 5: was tough because he going this way. That's my two

963
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 5: sixty shift in this way, one shift the other way.

964
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 4: That's not easy. I gotta shift.

965
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 5: He got the ball string too, that was with a

966
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 5: jump up facts, So he was always tough, you know,

967
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 5: Rip Hamilton, But even even lower level guys like this

968
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 5: guy's like for Sean Lendy, I don't know if you know,

969
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 5: stupid clip we tapped in.

970
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like guys like that nice

971
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 4: little bump fade.

972
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: He was nice. Okay, he could definitely shoot that.

973
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 4: Sure. Glenn Robinson big dog, big.

974
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Speaker 3: Dog was nice, bro definitely he Indiana dog. Nice.

975
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: But I got a story. We was playing against you,

976
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: was on the Knicks. You're a little older at this time,

977
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: and uh, I got the ball and the isolation. I

978
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: had you in an ice situation and I waved somebody off.

979
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: He said, what the fuck?

980
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: He was older when I went by lady, wasn't I

981
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: was like, that's he was.

982
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 4: When I was with you, was with the Knicks.

983
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: In Atlanta, he was a little older. Yeah, yeah, said

984
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: watch out. I was like Kyle was on the wing.

985
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: He came to cut and I was.

986
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: Like, watch yeah, rightfully.

987
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 4: So I.

988
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: Got nervous for a second and I went by you

989
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: and I kind of did a little layer and he

990
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: started he kind of like started laughing.

991
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, I was still competing. I

992
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 5: didn't have it like I ended my career. But I

993
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 5: was with the with the Lakers playing at the Spurs

994
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 5: have Miniska surgery. Right, So I was supposed to be

995
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 5: out six weeks. I came back in five days, right,

996
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 5: So I go back in five days off miniska surgery.

997
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 5: Because it was our last season. Steve Nash was there,

998
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 5: Dwight Howell and Kobe just got hurt in Powers, so

999
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 5: I knew it was over and we we we just

1000
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 5: limped into the playoffs, and I was like, this is

1001
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 5: gonna be This is for sure the last time this

1002
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 5: group was gonna be together. So I'm trying to play.

1003
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 5: You're gonna try to win it. My mind set is

1004
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 5: always winning. Now, it wasn't gonna happen Spur swept us,

1005
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 5: but I wish I would have never did that.

1006
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 4: That's that.

1007
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 5: That pretty much ended my career. So when I got

1008
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 5: to New York, you know, it was it was it was.

1009
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 5: I was so happy to be in New York. So

1010
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 5: my mind, We're gonna try to win it. You know,

1011
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 5: I'm talking myself into like I'm locking people up, but

1012
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 5: I didn't even.

1013
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 4: That's what you heard.

1014
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 5: You heard somebody I was trying to talk itself into it.

1015
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 3: But I didn't have it.

1016
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm tripping back to the league with

1017
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: no found. He started laughing.

1018
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 4: I remember. I remember I was playing against Jeremy Grant.

1019
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 5: There's two brothers, right, two of them from Philly.

1020
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 4: He was in Philly that I went up for a layup.

1021
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 4: He punched into my career. He's just punching. I'm like, damn,

1022
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 4: I shit is over.

1023
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: That was that moment.

1024
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 4: I even been laughing, like, yo, I can't do it.

1025
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 5: I'm trying. I got the rebound on right here. All

1026
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 5: gotta do is lay it up. He jump get that

1027
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 5: out of here. I'm like, damn, I shit over.

1028
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: But that's a real realization, like you said, like especially

1029
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: for athletes like y'all been hooping your whole life.

1030
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: That's your job.

1031
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: So then when you get to that point, you kind

1032
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: of like, all right, I gotta start thinking about what's next,

1033
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: think about what's Like even for you, you was just like,

1034
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: all right.

1035
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: I ain't about to be no bed on the bitch.

1036
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 3: I gotta figure out what's next for sure? How is that?

1037
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: Like, miss Like you said, like as far as talking

1038
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: about your mental health and stuff like that, people don't understand, Like,

1039
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: and I've learned being around him a lot more and

1040
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: talking to other people is like as an athlete. That

1041
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: is your job. But those jobs typically retire at thirty.

1042
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: What do you do next? And a lot of people

1043
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: have a hard time even getting to that question.

1044
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 5: It's true, It's true. It was tough for me too.

1045
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 5: I remember, you know, my last game is Stapleson. I

1046
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 5: had a in the second half. I wasn't playing all season,

1047
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 5: but I would play one on one against Jamal Brandy.

1048
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 5: I was just trying to stay ready, right, So I

1049
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 5: wasn't I was mentoring, I was working them out. I

1050
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 5: was training Julius, so I was working them out, but

1051
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 5: when he was playing, I was I was competing. So

1052
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, yo, Brandy, let's get this one on one.

1053
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 5: D Loo, let's get this one on one, Julius, Let's

1054
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 5: get this.

1055
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 4: One on one.

1056
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 5: So I was trying to stay ready, you know. So

1057
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 5: then my last game is Stable Center. I'm playing a lot.

1058
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 5: I knew, I knew I was done. I kind of

1059
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 5: figured that this is gonna be my last year. I

1060
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 5: scored zero in the first half. I get eighteen the

1061
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 5: second half. So now he's in Golden State. So I'm like,

1062
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 5: I just had eighteen the.

1063
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 4: Second half, and I felt I was really I was

1064
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 4: still good I'm still alright.

1065
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 5: So I'm like, I'm gonna get I'm gonna get fifteen

1066
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 5: to night for sure. So the coach don't play me.

1067
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 5: You know, it's my last game.

1068
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

1069
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 4: It's my last game. Yeah, I'm like, I played like

1070
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 4: maybe ten minutes stuf like no way.

1071
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 5: So I walk off the court. I ain't say nothing

1072
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 5: to like, you know, the players, Steph Wandre was just heated.

1073
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: So I walk up the court and stayed silent.

1074
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna just replaying my career in my head,

1075
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 5: you know, and I'm grateful. I'm reminiscing. I'm like, what

1076
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 5: a should have It was like so much we're playing.

1077
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 4: Did have a great time on a plane ride home though.

1078
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 4: It was my last plane ride.

1079
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 5: So we got twisted forty five minutes, baby, we got

1080
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 5: twisted at forty five minutes, me and Nick Young.

1081
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 4: So the rookies like me and my god swaggy.

1082
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 5: Right, so you know, they gave me one of the

1083
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 5: greatest you know, playing rides home. You know what I mean,

1084
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 5: because I was just like, you know, all the rookies

1085
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 5: this day, they've been really cool. I wake up the

1086
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 5: next day and I'm just super depressed and I'm like, damn,

1087
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 5: what I'm gonna do? I know this is over right,

1088
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 5: And then the next day I applied for school. Man,

1089
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 5: I applied for school at UCLA. I was just replaying

1090
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 5: everything in my head. And I like to make decisions quick.

1091
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 5: I don't be I don't like to have time to wait.

1092
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 5: So I was like, all right, I replayed everything. All right,

1093
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 5: we were out here, you know, and that was tough,

1094
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 5: even though it's what I'm doing to this day. Seven years,

1095
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 5: eight years later, you know, I went back to school

1096
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 5: for digital analytics, bitness analytics, coding, all the stuff that

1097
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 5: we're with sports can affect the outcome of success, you know.

1098
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 4: But it was.

1099
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 5: About four years, you know, where I was like, damn,

1100
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 5: this is tough.

1101
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 4: Like I'm really not doing I'm not playing defense.

1102
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 5: You know, I'm master defense, But how am I going

1103
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 5: to master someone else where? So many people tell you can't,

1104
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 5: you know, but I believe that if you put your

1105
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 5: mind as an athlete, if you put your mind or something,

1106
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 5: you know, you don't have to be in a box.

1107
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 5: You know, just because you're not balling, you know, walking

1108
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 5: like a ballplayer, you might not be walking like.

1109
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 4: A ballplayer anymore. But you got someone else you bring

1110
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 4: to the table.

1111
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 5: You know you you're good because your passion you could

1112
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 5: put You could have put your passion anywhere, absolutely, you

1113
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 5: know what I mean. So when I said, okay, I'm

1114
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 5: downside my life, you know, I'm not gonna I don't

1115
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 5: want to be in the limelight. I'm gonna be content.

1116
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 5: I'm a stricter. So that was that was my personal journey,

1117
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 5: you know. And everybody got different jurneys, some people commentating,

1118
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 5: some people coaching, but that those options not available for everybody.

1119
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

1120
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 4: You know, it's not everybody.

1121
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 5: It's not available for everybody. So I didn't want to

1122
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 5: leave that the chance. So I was an architect major

1123
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 5: coming out of college with people people don't know, but damn,

1124
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 5: you know. So my first major was architecture. I had

1125
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 5: letters from Princeton. But I was also going through a lot,

1126
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So I was like my

1127
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 5: whole my mom was clouded. But when I when I said, damn,

1128
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 5: I was an architect, I said I could do anything

1129
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 5: I wanted to.

1130
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 4: And when I'm thought.

1131
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 5: About it, that's I said I would go back to school.

1132
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be comfortable. So I went back to school

1133
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 5: and just did do what I had to do.

1134
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: Good Shore, like you said that passion.

1135
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: Like we got so many black entrepreneurs that don't come

1136
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: from traditional backgrounds, but the things that they went through,

1137
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: that adversity, it's easy to put it somewhere else because

1138
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: you already went through so much Like now this is

1139
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: kind of easy. I get to just use what I

1140
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: already got to do what I want to do. Absolutely, man,

1141
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: we appreciate you sliding, man. Please tell the people what

1142
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: you got going on.

1143
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 4: Man, Yo, mean, thanks for me.

1144
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 5: You know, we love when they told me, nowtown find

1145
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 5: intment on that, I'm like, Yo, I was.

1146
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 3: Appreciate you.

1147
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, my family's here, so it's

1148
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 5: definitely great to be here. We we love Indiana. But yeah,

1149
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 5: so basically I'm just like raising the family. I'm coaching

1150
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 5: girls as if. I'm a volunteer coach at Cal State

1151
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 5: of LA. So I've been doing that for five been

1152
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 5: coaching girls for nine years. I was coaching while I

1153
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 5: was in the NBA. After practice, I was going to

1154
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 5: coach my girls with the same coach. In the last

1155
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 5: five years, we've been at Cal State of LA coaching

1156
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 5: coaching women's basketball. Last year we went to the NCAA

1157
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 5: Tournament for the first time in twelve years they do

1158
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 5: and this year they had us ranked number one. We

1159
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 5: had a rough start, but it's just incredible. It's my

1160
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 5: favorite thing I'm doing, you know right now. But the businesses,

1161
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 5: you know, I'm building my business, which is like, you know,

1162
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 5: I have to do that. But you know, coaching girls

1163
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 5: is coaching women's basketball is gre and you know, building

1164
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 5: my agency is great and different things like that. But

1165
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 5: other than that, I just want to say thanks for

1166
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 5: having men.

1167
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: I love seeing you back doing stuff with the Pacers

1168
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: because we need that twenty three up. We gotta keep

1169
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 1: it real. You want the most important players ever walking

1170
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: them doors.

1171
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 5: But I told I told the Pacers I want to

1172
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 5: I want to see them win a title. We have

1173
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 5: a different history that a lot of people don't hear

1174
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 5: the conversations that between the individuals, you know, because it

1175
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 5: was just a lot of wounds. That's that was what

1176
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 5: I was open. That's being healed, you know from the

1177
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 5: fans and the executives. But from that perspective, seeing a

1178
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 5: ring come here in Indiana with me in the world,

1179
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 5: that's what I want to see even though I'm definitely

1180
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 5: laking for life, love for New York, definitely want to

1181
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 5: see New York on one day too, But you know

1182
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 5: that one coming ahead. When it comes, I'm gonna feel

1183
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 5: like it's mine. And all the players feel the same way, Jamaine, everybody.

1184
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 5: When that ring come here, we're gonna be just as

1185
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 5: proud as if. We can't wait because we knew we

1186
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 5: had the opportunity to bring it to the city, you know,

1187
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 5: and we feel like that was our fault, that was

1188
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 5: our bad. You know, Reggie don't got a ring. You know,

1189
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 5: that was all bad. So we just can't wait till

1190
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 5: this team just keep building. So you know, we're supporting

1191
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 5: the Cases all day.

1192
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: Look, we appreciate you, man, Life Share subscribe all that

1193
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: good ship. Will be back next week Club for our

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Speaker 1: twenty