WEBVTT - Jets-Packers Game Preview (12/20) 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.200 The game is over and New York the world. You 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:09.559 play to win the game. He's got as jet locks down, can't. 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.480 You're listening to the Official New York Jets Podcast, a 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:27.080 Jets three sixty production. What's Up, Everybody? Thanks for downloading 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.960 the Official Jets Podcast. Ethan Greenberg, Eric Allen in Studio 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:35.440 e A. Another week goes by. I do want to 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.920 say that although the Jets did lose Saturday against the Texas, 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:43.199 you can't not be excited about what you're seeing out 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.040 of Sam Donald. And really this part of the season 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:50.960 for fans, when the team is eliminated from playoff contention, 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.639 that's really what you want to see is your rookie quarterback, 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.080 the guy that you believe will lead this franchise to 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.480 winning records for the years to come. For one as well, 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.520 a lot of buzz in the stadium Saturday night. And 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.640 I don't think it necessarily started that way, but it 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.240 all goes back to him sitting out a few weeks 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.600 over a month where he didn't see any game action 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.840 with that strain right foot, came back against the Buffalo Bills, 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:18.039 did his damage late, becoming the youngest quarterback in NFL 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:22.520 history to lead a game winning Dry leads the Jets 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.000 to come from behind victory. That had to do wonders 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.600 first confidence. The following week against the Houston Texans, I 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:34.160 know a lot of people rightfully saw we're wondering what 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.360 was the Jets offense going to be able to do 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:41.240 against the Texans defense? Because your minus Isaiah Crowl obviously 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.320 balal poles by in on injur reserve for a while 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.120 Quincy and Noonwall was down. You're shuffling a lot of 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:51.400 pieces up front along that offensive line. But I think 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.480 Donald turned in the best effort so far of his 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.760 young NFL career thirty eight to fifty three, two touchdowns. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.720 He also used his feet very well six rushes thirty 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:07.600 five yards UM and uh, Josh mccowll told me after 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.760 the game that you knew about his athletic ability, but 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.360 now he's starting to win in the pocket, and that 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.520 was always the question with any of these young guys, 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:21.440 and Donald's starting to show a lot of positive signs. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.760 So for me, I'm kind of disappointed that the season 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.600 is gonna end in two weeks. Sure, but it is 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.839 nice to close on a high nose ye. But I'm 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.200 just saying he's going to play the way that he 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.239 has been. Yeah, But my point is I just want 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.400 this kid to keep on playing. Oh yeah, for sure. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.120 And it's been well documented the time between the end 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.799 of this season and the beginning of next season. Really 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.200 where O t A s begin in the spring is 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.639 where Donald will see the most growth, or where you 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:49.960 would assume most quarterbacks see the most growth from their 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:54.120 rookie year to their sophomore year. But Saturday was the 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.120 third time this season that Sam Donald has had a 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:01.040 rating of one hundred or more. You think about Week 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:06.400 six against the Colts, debatably one of the better performances 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.360 for Samulans. I thought this one was more impressive because 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:14.680 I thought maybe while the offensive line played very well 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.480 against the Texans, I thought the Jets had everything going 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.079 offensively against the Colts. And I don't think the Colts 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.800 played awfully well that game. So I would just say 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.960 that to me, Uh, he has completion percentage wasn't as 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.640 high as it was against the Colts, but I think 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.840 overall he was doing better things. I agree. I think 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:40.480 that you mentioned it that Donald looked more comfortable in 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.920 the pocket and he was more decisive, and what I 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.080 really like there's one play in particular where he gets 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.720 the snack, immediately realizes that no one's really open. You 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.400 only need the X amount of yards to get the 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.800 first out. Immediately tucked and Rand got the first out. 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:56.600 That was it. I think it was probably like third 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.520 and five or so, and he tucked it. Ran slid 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.640 popped up that I was it. And I think what 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.760 you're seeing is Donald look a lot more comfortable at 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.200 the line of scrimmage pre snap, understanding what exactly he 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.600 wants to do, what defense is met, what the defense 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.760 is trying to do. And Sam Donald said it himself. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.120 Taking a couple of weeks off, although it was because 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.800 of an unfortunate reason with the strain right foot, eventually 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.240 ended up helping him because it helped him slow the 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.520 game down. Slow his mind now a little bit while 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.840 learning from Josh McCown, not that he hasn't been learning, 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.520 but he sees it through different lens, watching Josh McCown 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.200 lead the starting off as lead the first team offense 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.960 and practice and walk through and everything that he does. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.760 And frankly, I'm excited to see what Sam Donald does, 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:50.000 not only this weekend against the Packers, but then up 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.680 in Foxborough against Tom Brady and the Patriots, because that 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.200 is probably one of the tougher places to play in 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.120 the NFL. I don't think the Patriots lost on this year. 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.760 I was just looking at it. The Atriots or nine 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.880 and five as we enter what week sixteen in the 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.880 National Football League season, there are three and five on 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.920 the road, So yeah, ge lot, they don't lose too 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.080 much there. But that's why I don't think the New 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.000 England Patriots are going to the Super Bowl this year. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.200 Green's because they're gonna have to possibly play on the 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:21.160 road at least twice. I don't see the Patriots going 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.039 to the super Bowl. But the spot is not about 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.640 completely about the Patriots. I would just just a small portion. 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.320 I would say home in a waste splits really have 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.600 my attention right now because the Jets have a hell 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.599 of an opportunity to win this week, and I know 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:40.120 a lot of fans are still focusing on the two 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:44.719 thousand nineteen draft. I say, don't worry about that whether 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.120 you have the number three overall selection or which the 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.680 Jets would have at the season end of today. But oh, 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:52.400 by the way, the season does that today, so they 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.040 don't have the number three overall selection, so you're probably 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.440 gonna have anywhere between what three and time or one 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.400 in time or whatever. I don't know. My point, you're 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.719 gonna have a good pick at the top of the 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:08.560 first round. And I want to see a Donald win 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.360 some games. He is an opportunity to win another one 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.680 this week against a struggling Green Bay Packers team. There's 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.320 a five eight and one, and oh, by the way, 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.960 they are zero and seven on the road in two 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.880 thousand eighteen. We're gonna catch up with Tom Silverstein of 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.800 the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel later on in the show. He 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.039 also has a podcast. You can listen to that on 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.840 JS online. It is a Packers podcast, but this is 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:37.000 the official New York Jets podcast. So we talked about 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.000 Sam Nornld, and we keep talking about it. But I 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.279 wanted to be known that the Jets almost won last 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.240 week's game. And I know it's a sour taste in 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.840 the fans mouth. Well, maybe not the fans if they 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.840 want the better draft pick. It's probably actually last week 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.320 was probably the best case scenario for fans that want 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.039 to see Donald play well but want the higher draft pick. 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.680 But this is not about the draft and I think 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.760 that's the loser's mentality. Well, that that's I think what 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.279 the pulse of most fans is right now. They want 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.120 the high pick, but they want their Of course, at 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:08.800 the end of the day, you want to have a 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.600 draft pick that is higher. I mean once you get 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:17.840 to April, but you play to win the game you have, 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:23.080 you have your quarterback. You have your quarterback. So I 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.800 don't know. I'm sure you are a big draft guy. 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.000 I haven't studied too much of the draft. I watched 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.160 a lot of college football. I don't know if there's 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.160 a big difference between picking three and eight and the 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:37.200 draft buddy this year, especially considering you've got a quarterback. 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:42.080 I think I think a couple of things. I think 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:47.800 that one, this class as it stands is edge rusher heavy, 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.440 So no, I don't think that there's a big difference. 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.360 The other part is that I think a lot of 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.480 fans want a high pick just as trade bait, simply 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.760 as trade bait so someone will get up and we pay, 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.960 so the Jets can trade down and stockpile picks. I 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.600 think that's really what it's about. We're playing fantasy football. 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.240 What I would say is, what's realistic is that you 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.559 do have financial flexibility. The Jets are going to add 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:16.360 pieces around Sam Donald. That is factual. It is going 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.760 to happen. How that is going to look, I don't 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:23.120 know what positions they are. Um, if it's a guy 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.240 on the line, if it's a receiver, it's a running back. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.280 They are going to add pieces around Sam Donald even 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:33.480 before the draft. So again we're trying to look at 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.480 the draft right now, which is impossible because the draft 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.920 board also will shuffle and shuffle and shuffle up and 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.840 seen your bowl combine, and then there's always that late, 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:48.440 that late riser that comes and smoking hot. Um. But again, uh, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.000 you got your quarterback. Let's see what happens. Let's see 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.000 what some of the pieces that you add around him 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.480 in free agency, and then we'll get to the draft 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:02.560 and we'll study where they're at. Yes, you want to 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.400 built for the draft, but oh, by the way, you've 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.000 got Sam Donald in the draft. All right, more Jets 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.960 talk after we catch up with Tom Silverstein. But let's 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:18.959 bring Tom on the pod. Delighted now to be joined 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:23.240 by Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Tom, thanks 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:27.520 so much for joining on the official Jets podcast, You're welcome, 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.000 and Tom also has a podcast you gotta listen to 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.480 that that's the Packers podcast on j S online. A 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.839 little cross promotion here on the official Jets podcasts. All 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.679 podcasts are friends of each other's podcast. But let's talk 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.040 about this Jets Packers matchup for a second here, because 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.560 I feel like a lot of fans back in the 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.800 beginning beginning of the year obviously thought of the Packers 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:52.840 as a team that would be making the playoffs and 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.959 when the NFC North are being contention for that. So 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.840 what do you feel like has happened this year in 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:04.920 Green Bay? Well, uh, BOI, where do I get started? 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.320 You know, it started with Aaron Rodgers getting hurt in 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.280 the season opener and injuring his knee, and a lot 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:18.160 of what Mike McCarthy's plans for the season got altered 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:24.120 pretty dramatically because of the things that uh Rogers was 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.760 limited to. I mean, for a while, he couldn't line 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.120 up under center. He had to do everything out of 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.520 the shotgun or the pistol, and so, you know, things 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.400 just kind of they just kind of struggled offensively. Then 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:41.160 they found out you know that they really uh didn't 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.319 have enough helped at wide receiver that they were playing with. 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.280 You know, they lost one of their veteran guys, Geronimoy Ellison, 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:53.600 and then they're playing two rookies, and then you know, 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.000 Jimmy Graham hasn't been as good as they thought he 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.719 would be, and it's just been kind of one thing 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:03.200 after another, and Rogers just had been playing while he's 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.600 he's missing receivers that you've never seen him missed before. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:14.640 I mean, it's really pretty remarkable how different he is, 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.600 you know, and you're used to a certain standard and 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.880 he's not hitting that standard right now. So just it's 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.560 been one thing after ever, and they had a brutal schedule. 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.280 They had to play four road games in five weeks, 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:32.320 and the road games were at l a h then 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.599 at New England, then they went to Seattle and then Minnesota, 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.160 and they lost all of them. And they haven't went 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.360 on the road all year. So it's just been one 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:46.000 of those years where you know, it's it's it's not 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.240 been pretty. And then McCarthy lost his job because of that. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.640 Some people tom are saying that this is the first 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.599 season that the Packers will not be in the playoffs 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.840 with a healthy Aaron Rodgers since two thousand and eight. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:06.800 But what I would ask you is, is Aaron Rodgers healthy? 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.920 I know he's been playing, and you mentioned he hasn't 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:13.439 been the same guy. Do you attribute that to injury? 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.199 Because just looking at it from Afar and we've seen 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.559 a little bit of Aaron Rodgers when we're not covering 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.360 the Jets, of course, because you're still getting a lot 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:25.040 of prime time exposure there in Green Bay. That his 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:30.120 numbers haven't been awful if you consider him. I know 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.679 that's not a typical a rod year in terms of 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:36.320 completion percentage, but wow, has it really struck out to 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.360 me that the interceptions are solo? What is the twenty 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.440 three touchdowns and two interceptions so far this year? Well, 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:47.280 I think that's part of the problem. Actually, he's thrown 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:52.440 more passes away. He's been less willing to take any chances, 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.840 and I think that's what hurt his game more than anything, 0:12:56.080 --> 0:13:00.360 is that he has played it safe and he sort 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.760 of I don't know if he's gotten um caught up 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.600 in the whole interception thing. You know, he had this 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.880 broke the record for the streak of the longest number 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:16.400 attempts before throwing an interception. But he's not throwing guys open. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:21.640 He's not throwing a lot of contested balls. He's you know, 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.959 scrambling a lot. He'll just bail out of the pocket 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.320 and go to the scramble play really quickly. And it's 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:33.960 been really remarkable the number of um uh receivers that 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.840 he's not throwing the ball to. You look at it 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.560 and you go, Okay, that guy's open in your mind, 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:45.160 but in his mind, he's not. And that's that's a big, 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:51.560 big change to what you know you're used to. And uh, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:56.360 there's just something you know early on it was that 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:00.720 he wasn't happy with the offense that McCarthy's often was boring, 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.560 and it wasn't doing what all the things that you 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:08.840 know that that Sean McVeigh is doing, and um, you 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:13.439 know Shanahan and that they had gotten stale and all 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:18.040 of a sudden, um, they're just he just he was 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.400 a different guy. And that's kind of how it's been 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:24.160 all year. What are your thoughts on the job Mike 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:28.760 McCarthy did in Green Bay. Uh, we think about all 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.880 the playoff appearances and he did lead the Packers to 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:37.040 a Super Bowl championship, it seems like that relationship with 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.600 Aaron Rodgers fell apart. It's at some point, But overall, 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.840 what do you think about the job he did in 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.440 Green Bay? And also how good of a hike coach 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:51.720 Mike McCarthy is. I think he did a phenomenal job 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.320 and I don't think you can ever take away uh 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.600 what he what he did there, which was, uh go 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.720 to a Super Bowl and four n a C Championship games. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:06.360 And while you know his detractors will say, well, you 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.360 didn't win enough super Bowls with Aaron Rodgers, Well, you 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:15.400 know that's that's sort of uh comes with the territory. 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.440 I mean, you want to say that about Sean Payton 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.400 that he hasn't won enough with Drew Brees. You know, 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:24.960 the only guy you say is consistently one is Tom Brady, 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:30.160 and there's just winning super Bowls is hard. McCarty's put 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.920 them in the He's every single year they were in 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.640 the mix. You know, they were a team that had 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.160 a chance to go somewhere, you know, and it didn't 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:44.280 happen every year. So I think he did a phenomenal job, 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:52.000 and I think he'd be uh really solid coach for anybody. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:56.000 And I think the thing that Um, the only thing 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.960 I would say with the caveat is that I do 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:03.840 think he needs to add some youth to his offensive staff. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.360 He needs to bring in some new people who can 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:10.080 have some different ideas because he surrounded himself with a 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:14.000 lot of the guys who are steeped in the offense 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.080 that he has this matchup offense, and this offense is 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:21.200 really good, but you have to have really good players 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.880 for it to succeed. And I think that's kind of 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:28.560 been the issue for the Packers is that they're in 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:33.600 a transition period. You know, they're transitioning from uh a 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.280 new with a new GM, and he's brought in new 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.160 players and they kind of got a little bit old 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:44.400 and now they're they're retooling. So that that played a 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.320 role in in their record this year. How would you 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.880 describe Mike McCarthy's style off the field and how would 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:57.840 you describe his offense? So, Um, he's a straight shooter. 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.760 I mean, he's he's a guy for m Pittsburgh. He's 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.879 he's all Pittsburgh, you know, I mean he is he 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:10.920 is uh very much a down to earth. Um, He's 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:16.080 not a pretty talker or a big raw rock guy. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:23.120 He's really organized, he's really good at um. He loves 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:27.640 calling plays, he loves the challenge of calling plays, and 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.720 he's pretty good at it. People around here will will 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:36.080 dispute that, but I I UM, I think the thing 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:40.879 with his offense is it's totally a matchup offense. He 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.280 does not do a lot of scheming to get people open. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.720 He what he does is try to create one on 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:54.200 one matchups that favor the offense. So if you have 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.080 really good receivers, he's going to get one of those 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.000 guys open one way or another. Are someone's going to 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.879 get a one on one and then he counts on 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.480 them getting open and they don't. You know, this year 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.760 that hasn't happened because they've had some rookie receivers who 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.440 just are still learning the offense, and so it's been 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.440 a little bit different that. Man, what do you think 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.840 the Packers need as they looked at the offseason. We're 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:23.359 gonna get to the match up here in a second. 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.640 We're definitely not forgetting Jets Packers. But it's just been 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:31.240 a fascinating their fascinating year there in Green Bay. And uh, 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.720 you've been right in the midst of it. For so 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.040 long time. What do you think the Packers do need 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:40.480 in terms of a new leader when their search begins. Uh, 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:44.560 if Joe Philbin just finishes out here and then they 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:50.240 start that coaching searching earnest well, the big thing is, 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.080 you know, and I think every candidate they bring in 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.960 you have to ask yourself, Okay, you have to ask 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.679 this guy, Okay, what would you do with Aaron Rodgers 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.320 right now? You know, how how would you get him 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.359 playing back to the way he was playing? And you know, 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.400 I would be curious to hear from all of the candidates, 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.440 especially the offensive one. You know, what, what is your 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.400 offensive plan? Who do you plan on bringing in as 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.840 some of your assistance? Do you have some a strong 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:26.640 quarterbacks coach, a guy who probably has played the position, 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.359 because Rogers is going to need somebody he really trusts 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:36.280 and and respects. And are you, you know, to what 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.439 degree are you gonna be able to coach him? And 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.760 then you know, are you willing to uh be just 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:48.800 a coach? Because they have a GM and he has 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:54.920 total say over personnel, but he doesn't have total control 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.760 over the whole football operation, which is a weird setup. 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.440 It's sort of like the head coach reports to the president, 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:05.760 the GM reports to the president, and the CAP guy 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.520 reports to the president. So I'm not really sure. I 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.640 guess the president in charge that would be Mark Murphy. 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.960 And it's it's not a great set up, and um, 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.200 but you have to find out are you okay with that? 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.639 You know, will you be able to work with the 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:25.160 GM and play his guys and and and so that's 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.120 the kind of stuff that they're going to be looking at. 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.840 I think they could hire an offensive or defensive guy. 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:36.040 They've traditionally hired offensive guys. I mean, going all the 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:41.600 way back to uh, you know, Forest, Greg Wendy and Fonte, 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.920 Mike Holmgren, you know, Ray Rhodes was the one difference 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:49.480 and we lasted one year. Mike Sherman, Mike McCarthy, So 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.480 you would think they'd be after an offensive guy, but 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.159 you never know. I mean, I think they need to 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.080 look at mc fangio in Chicago. He's been kicking their 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.639 butt for you know, a decade, and you know, if 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.320 you can't you can't beat them, join them. So I 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.000 wouldn't be surprised if they take a look at him. 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.960 To the time, very recently in the journal sense, and 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:15.320 all you wrote that Mike Patton is making his case 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:20.080 to stay on if in fact the Packers do elect 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:24.160 to go with an offensive mind as their head coach. 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:28.600 Can you talk about Patton, the former Jets defensive coordinator, 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.359 what he's been doing there in his first year in 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.600 Green Bay, considering all those injuries on the defensive side 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.200 of the ball. And then let's fast forward to Sunday, 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:40.000 what do you expect Patton is going to throw at 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:45.600 rookie quarterback Sam Donald. Yeah, he's done a really solid job. 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:47.560 I mean, I don't think you could have asked for 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:51.919 anything more for a guy who's playing. So they've had 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:56.520 so many injuries, and you know in on defense that 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:02.440 on Sunday they were playing with um two rookie corners 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:06.679 where they're two starters. Their third corner has been played 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:10.000 only about four games. For Shot Breland, it was a veteran, 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:13.919 but he's been hurt pretty much all year. They're playing 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:18.600 with Tramon Williams, U career corner playing safety for the 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:24.240 first time. And uh, they're playing with a guy they 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:28.200 picked up off the street two weeks ago at their 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:34.199 nickel linebacker spot. So all that said, you know they 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:38.760 were missing their two best defensive lineman Mike Daniels and 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:42.399 Kenny Clark. They lost Mohammed Wilkerson at the beginning of 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:46.640 the year. He's just put together. He's just kept them 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:51.480 together and his third down defense has been really good. 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.840 They have these moments where they play poorly, but then 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:59.080 they always seem to get their act together. And I 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.840 think he's just done a really nice job. Is he 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:04.160 going to be sun and everything? But the kitchen sink 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:07.119 against Donald on Sunday? You think a lot of blitz packages, 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:11.080 a lot of overloads. Uh, you know, that's really interesting 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.840 because of course, you know, you know, you guys know him. Well, 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:20.120 he's was uh running the Rex Ryan defense and they 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:24.359 do blitz but he's picked up some other things along 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:27.680 the way to uh you know, and he said that 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.879 that it's being out of football for a year to 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.879 give him a chance to look at some other schemes, 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:38.280 and he's kind of blended some things in. So, yeah, 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:40.879 you'll see some some of those blitzes, but it won't 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:44.119 be constant. You know, there will be times where he'll 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.440 he'll drop eight guys and then other times he'll bring 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:52.399 corner blitzes. Uh. He's he's really had to mix things 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:56.320 up to you know, have some success with this defense. 0:23:56.359 --> 0:24:00.520 They probably won't look exactly like it did, but uh, 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:03.439 you will see some of those blitzes they brought him 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:08.520 against Mr Drabinsky last week, but you know, only in 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:12.520 a controlled manner. So the Packers are all in seven 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.480 on the road. They have they have been winless on 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:19.359 the road since nineteen seventy eight. I know the team 0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:23.479 obviously has endured a lot of difficulty this year, but 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:27.600 can you point you You talked about the schedule strength 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.320 before as far as they to brutal road schedule, but 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.840