1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: You're listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair. 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: Hi. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 3: Everyone, Welcome to the River Cafe. I can't think of 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 3: a nicer place to be on the sunny spring morning 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 3: than here. We have a live audience for this very 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 3: special episode that features Sarah Jessica Parker, hosted by Pause 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 3: Lucy Rogers. Enjoy the interview and we'll be taking questions later. 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: The first time that Sarah Jessica Parker and I spoke, 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: the tables returned. She was on the phone in the 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: River Cafe kitchen and I was on a beach in Mexico. 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: It was really hard to hear her with the noise 12 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: of pots and pants, the crashing waves of the Pacific Ocean, 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: but her dazzling warmth travel the six thousand miles. If 14 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: the phone connection was poor, the friendship connection instant. Last Sunday, 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: she was in the River Cafe with her family and 16 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: I was there with mine. They were sitting on Table one, 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: just a few feet from the pink wood oven, close 18 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: to the drama of the kitchen, and there she was 19 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: dazzling and warm. How does all this work, Ruthie, How 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: do you make sure that Matthew's ravioli comes out at 21 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: the same time as my asparagus. 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 4: Banya Kouten. 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: This kitchen, she said, feels like the inside of a 24 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: pinball machine, with energy bouncing between the different stations. How 25 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: do you all have the energy to do both lunch 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: and dinner? Now? I suppose if I went backstage to 27 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: Plaza Suite, the play that Sarah is doing here with 28 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: her husband, Matthew Broderick, I would have similar questions. How 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: does this work, Sarah? What do you do if someone 30 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: forgets their lines? And how do you all have the 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: energy to do a matinee and an evening performance? 32 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 4: Today? 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: We're here, not miles apart, inches apart, two friends together, 34 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: surrounded by all of you great people. 35 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 4: What a connection? 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: Thank you? 37 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 4: So here we are. Did you ever work in a restaurant? 38 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: No? 39 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 5: But I say this knowing how hard it is. I 40 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 5: think I would really love to be a server. 41 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: Like I really think that at this summer she is, 42 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: and you're I. 43 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 5: Was, we were really admiring your service the day because 44 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 5: I said to the girls, I was like, I'm not 45 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 5: sure that I've seen servers move this fast a long time. 46 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 5: Because Sunday is a very busy day for you guys, right, 47 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 5: like a specially. 48 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 4: That day was a really busy day. 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 5: And I was saying to somebody and I said, you know, 50 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 5: I don't get to come to the River Cafe very often. 51 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 5: I don't live in London, and to myself, to Matthew, 52 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 5: it's like a very it's a it's like a special thing. 53 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 5: It's like something you earn or maybe you work toward 54 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 5: or you pine about, and then you visit it and 55 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 5: you're not sure if you made it all up, like 56 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 5: is it possible that you joined a sort of cult, 57 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 5: like a kind of thinking about it? 58 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: Can it be? 59 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 5: And then you come here? My hand got it is? 60 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 5: And the kitchen really is. It's extraordinary to watch. It 61 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 5: is like a pinball machine, but it's like there's such 62 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 5: precision about it. 63 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: And I love watching the. 64 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 5: Chefs talk to each other quickly and passing or actually 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 5: come together to speak. 66 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 5: It's amazing and it's it's glorious. We were thrilled to 68 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 5: be here, really well. 69 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 4: We're thrilled to have you and I. 70 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: When we first did the completely open kitchen, you will 71 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: remember after the fire, Richard Air, who's a director of 72 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: theater came in and I said, Richard, isn't it just 73 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: like theater watching everyone around? 74 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 4: And he said, actually, with me, it isn't. 75 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: It's like ballet m and he said because watching people everybody. 76 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 4: You can't shout in an open kitchen. 77 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes raise your voice, but basically you're moving 78 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: around to speak to people about if you need to. 79 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: Usually there's a kind of communication. 80 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 5: And this time I had the ravioli with the spinach 81 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 5: and the ricotta and those tiny gorgeous porcini mushrooms that 82 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 5: are like a surprise. 83 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: They don't talk about that as much. 84 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 5: And we ordered two and I was like, my daughter said, 85 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 5: do you think we can order another one? 86 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: James Welk said, can we order another one? Which just 87 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: seems so like. 88 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 5: Gluttonous and decadent and greedy. And then I was like, 89 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 5: you know what, yes, And if anybody says anything, I'll 90 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 5: just say we'll take it like I'm sorry that we're 91 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 5: being so like real like animals about this, but it's 92 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 5: a kind of it's good to think of it as 93 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 5: this kind of once in a lifetime. 94 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: It's just incredible. 95 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: One of the things I think that you'll probably everyone 96 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: in this room would think about was that in Sex 97 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: and the City and the way you talk about food 98 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: the joy So many conversations were over food, and it 99 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: was the pleasure of food. It was enjoying food as 100 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: a way of communicating and being together, which we you know, 101 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: we all feel here that we a restaurant is a 102 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: place where you share, you know, food you're sitting down 103 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: at the table or at home with your children. Yeah, 104 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: and so how is that working in Sex and the 105 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: City and doing was that from you? 106 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: I always love food scenes. 107 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 5: I think it initially it was initially in place I 108 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 5: think probably from either Candice's original source material or Darren 109 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 5: Starr wrote that first coffee shop scene, which I think 110 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 5: was just a great meeting place to sort of talk 111 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 5: about the themes of the of each episode, like get 112 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 5: the headline out, and then each person, those kind of 113 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 5: archetypal characters would share points of view, so we knew 114 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 5: where where everybody stood, and it allowed for controversial conversation 115 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 5: or titillating conversation. But I will say this that Cynthia Nixon, 116 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 5: who is a dear friend of mine and we've been 117 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 5: working together since we were little girls. We've known each other, 118 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 5: so we were eleven or ten. She was a child 119 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 5: actor also and we would always audition together. She often 120 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 5: got the part. But we played siblings when I was 121 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 5: very young. We played sisters on records. They used to 122 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 5: do records of stories, and we played Laura and Mary Ingalls, 123 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 5: and then we played siblings of We played children of 124 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 5: Vanessa Redgrave in a movie. 125 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 2: But Cynthia and I in those coffee shop scenes, we 126 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: always eat. 127 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, we always eat, and we always need to like 128 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 5: reprop our plate, and then when we finally wrap, they'll 129 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 5: always they always said to Cynthia, me and Cynthia, do 130 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 5: you guys want to take. 131 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: It to go again today? Yes, we do. 132 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 5: So we really like those scenes, and we very much 133 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 5: go back and forth about what you could they'll send 134 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 5: the menu in advance now now that we all have 135 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 5: the phones and things, and because they want you to 136 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 5: order an advance for props to have everything ready and 137 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 5: multiplee you know, multiples of it. 138 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: So we'll go back and forth. Would you order are 139 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: you going to order? The all order that? So you 140 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: ordered that and we can share. So the food is 141 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: the lines are blurred. 142 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: The joy of food. 143 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: Yes, eating, Yes, was something that we are all thinking about. 144 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: How we combine, you know, food, and I think it's 145 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: it's changed. You find that your daughters are different now 146 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: in terms of their attitude. 147 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I I never was very disciplined about it. 148 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: I just wasn't. 149 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 5: I think I'm not really good at like denying myself something. 150 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 5: And I think also I was a dancer for so 151 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 5: long and running around, so it was I was able 152 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 5: to be that way. It's certainly not the same now. 153 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 5: But I also just I had girls. I just was 154 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 5: so I didn't want them to have a relationship with 155 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 5: food that was antagonistic or they felt like this was 156 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 5: their enemy and that they were going to have to 157 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 5: sort of like stake out a position with food. 158 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: So when I was growing. 159 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 5: Up, we weren't allowed sugar in the house, and we 160 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 5: were allowed to cookies, and we weren't allowed the chocolate. 161 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 5: And of course all we did the minute we moved 162 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 5: out was buy Entimate's cakes and cookies, and you know, 163 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 5: and I didn't want that. So in our house, we 164 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 5: have cookies, we have cake, we have everything. And I 165 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 5: think as a result, you kind of have a healthier 166 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 5: relationship and my daughters will have the figures they have 167 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 5: and hopefully they'll be healthy in their athletes and they 168 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 5: enjoy food, and they have different palettes, and you can't 169 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 5: make someone like something they don't like or want. 170 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: And I hope that they. 171 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 5: I hope that they can maintain their affection for the 172 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 5: experience and their delight in taste and find their own 173 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 5: ways to have that be healthy for them. 174 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: And your son. For food, it was fantastic to beat. 175 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: All three of them are just you know, involved in 176 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: the food and talking about the food and asking questions 177 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: about food. 178 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: On Sunday, Matthew cooks. 179 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 5: We both cook every single day, every day, every single day. 180 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: Every day. We probably eat dinner as a family every night. 181 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 5: If I'm shooting or he's doing to play, obviously that 182 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 5: shifts around. 183 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: We always have dinner Sunday night. 184 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 5: But one of us, if we're home, cooks every single day, 185 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 5: and we love to cook. 186 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: And it's boring to keep saying to each other what are. 187 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 5: We gonna eat? What are we gonna eat? Are you 188 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 5: going to go to the grocery store? Am I going 189 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 5: to go to the market. But it's kind of just. 190 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: What we do. 191 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 5: Yesterday, I what did you last night? Last night, we 192 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 5: went to a restaurant in Chinatown. 193 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: Really quickly after the show. 194 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 5: But I had made during the day, I made lamb 195 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 5: stew and Matthew made a white bean soup, so we 196 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 5: knew we have that. I'd actually was bringing some to 197 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 5: my son, but I like to have it in the 198 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 5: fridge for matinee days. And but we cook every night 199 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 5: because I don't know why we never we never understood order. 200 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 5: We didn't get ordering in in time, and now we're 201 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 5: too old to under We. 202 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 2: Don't have I don't know how to use a a thing. 203 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 5: And every now and then we're really beat more say 204 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 5: should we you know? 205 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: But I'll still call. 206 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 5: A restaurant order, we pick it up or they deliver it. 207 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 5: But but we love cooking. 208 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: I don't know why. 209 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: Do you think that's part of the drama. Do you 210 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: think it's part of theater, part of being an actor 211 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: that it's separate from what you do? 212 00:10:58,679 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 4: Is it a time? 213 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: I know that when I was working, I would always 214 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: come home and everybody says, sit down and relax. And 215 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: I found the most kind of relaxing thing to do 216 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: is to cook, to. 217 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: Be in the kitchen. It is. 218 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 5: It's we always wonder about the post meal part, like 219 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 5: we're always like, wow, now we have to do all this, 220 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 5: you know, all the cleaning and stuff, so that that 221 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 5: kind of punctures some of the kind of healium of it. 222 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 5: But I don't know if it's so much relaxing as it. 223 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 5: It's just kind of what we do. It's like what's expected, 224 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 5: what else? What else is the family going to do 225 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 5: if we don't get in the kitchen. And in New York, 226 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 5: like here in London, you can run out at the 227 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 5: last minute. 228 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: You can make a meal quickly. 229 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 5: It's not as like it doesn't seem as such a 230 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 5: big effort in a way, and often things just taste 231 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 5: better than if you're ordering it. In our opinion, we 232 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 5: I mean not that we don't think of ourselves highly 233 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 5: as like chefs or anything like that, But I don't know. 234 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 5: Our children always, I will say, they always say like, wow, 235 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 5: we're really lucky. We get to eat have dinner every night. 236 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: When you're in a play, do you eat before you 237 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: before the performance? 238 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 4: Are after? 239 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: I enchurge? 240 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 4: So is it? Did you go on stage hungry? 241 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: I mean a little bit. 242 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 5: I'll have yogurt, bananas. There's these eggs here that I'm 243 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 5: in love with that I go mad for the ones 244 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 5: I want to put my suitcase, but I know I'm 245 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 5: not allowed. 246 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 2: They're called burfer. 247 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 248 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 5: They have those orange yolks that are just oh my god, 249 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 5: oh my god. 250 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: So we go through a lot of those. I eat 251 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: those bananas. 252 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 5: I'll have some lamp stew or barley and some meat. 253 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: I love your rashers. Here, your bacon, streaky bacon and kofta. 254 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 5: From our local butcher is really nice. 255 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: I think it's time for our first question from our audience, 256 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: which said is going to read. 257 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: I used to work at the River Cafe and every 258 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 3: night I felt like customers had a different collective character. 259 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 3: Saturday night was different from Tuesday night, and it was 260 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 3: not the same every Saturday night, but it would become 261 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: a kind of dominant vibe. And then I started working 262 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: in theater and in my mind it was exactly the same. 263 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 3: And I wondered what your experience of London audiences has 264 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 3: been and are the different to American audiences. 265 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 5: Well, you've described it so beautifully, whether it's in America, 266 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 5: in New York City or here. This sort of I 267 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 5: always say, like what time did they all get together 268 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 5: and decide who they were going to be tonight? Like 269 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 5: it's a conspiracy that they work so beautifully together. And 270 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 5: it is a range and a Saturday night can be 271 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 5: boisterous and civilized or boisterous and out of control and 272 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 5: sort of behaving I'm going to say poorly in quotes, 273 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 5: but not really but just more talkative. 274 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 4: And but. 275 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 2: Generally speaking, the audiences here have been really, really lovely 276 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 2: and very hospitable. 277 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 5: And we weren't sure because this is a very American 278 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 5: play by a real American playwright writing about kind of 279 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 5: cultural familiarity to Americans, especially New Yorkers, but they've been 280 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 5: absolutely wonderful. 281 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: I think they've They've proven. 282 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 5: To be really great listeners, like sincerely great listeners, but 283 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 5: they do seem to have psychically agreed upon something and 284 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 5: I don't understand it, Like these people probably couldn't agree 285 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 5: about anything else. If you remove them from the theater, 286 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 5: like as a whole, maybe they could. 287 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. 288 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 4: But it is unique, and that is in a restaurant. 289 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: Don't you think that we can say, Yeah, you can 290 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: sort of put the same food at the same time, 291 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: the same with the same team. Yeah, you can go 292 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: home at ten o'clock and think I'm a failure, you know, 293 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: because it did you really think this was one of. 294 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 4: The greatest nights in my life. 295 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is so hard to it is, and it's 296 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 5: I think the human part of all of this is 297 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 5: the thing that's just hard to pin down. Like you 298 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 5: can't do the same show. You have a good show 299 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 5: and you're trying to sort of always mimic that, or 300 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 5: in the kitchen you'll have a great and you're always 301 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 5: trying to but it is human, So it's never going 302 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 5: to be the same. 303 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: It's never going to last as long. 304 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 5: The pause isn't going to get a laugh or maybe 305 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 5: it will or And I think that's what makes it 306 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 5: so exciting for a diner or hopefully for an audience. 307 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: Is they are very much. 308 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 5: A part of it. They are a significant fifty percent 309 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 5: of the relationship. Is the diner to your chefs and 310 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 5: your servers and you and us with our audience, our playwright, 311 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 5: our words, our director, and this audience like they have 312 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 5: to be our partner for the night, and they show 313 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 5: that in various ways. 314 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: Did you know the River Cafe has a shop. It's 315 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: full of our favorite foods and designs. We have cookbooks, Linen, Napkins, 316 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: kitchen ware, Toad bags with our signatures, glasses from Venice, 317 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: chocolates from Turin. You can find us right next door 318 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: to the River Cafe in London or online at shop 319 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: Therivercafe dot co dot uk. So, Sarah, you've just made 320 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: punterourel lmada with Sean. 321 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 5: There is something to me about Puntaurel salad that it 322 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 5: really it blows my mind. And it's very hard to 323 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 5: get in New York. For anybody who lives in New York. 324 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 5: Puntrell is like contraband, like apparently it's not allowed or 325 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 5: and when it is, there's like you have like four 326 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 5: days to enjoy it. And to have it here sort 327 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 5: of like at your whim to meet is such decadence. 328 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: This is the print role. 329 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 5: But I've never seen it in its natural state to 330 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 5: be smaller. 331 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 6: Because we went you in last week were were they 332 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 6: were huge. 333 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: Massive heads of it. 334 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 4: It's actually checorea, you know what. 335 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 6: It's like a checorea plant, and so you can either 336 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 6: use the outside leaves and just chopp them up and 337 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 6: boil them as a vegetable and then this is like 338 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 6: the bulb in the middle. 339 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 2: Oh wow, it's interesting. Wow, the whole plant, Oh my god, 340 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: inside it is. 341 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 6: These things are live fingers, so what you generally do, 342 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 6: it's just well you can. 343 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 4: Cut them off or pull them off. 344 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: Do you have to soak them or anything? 345 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's all in the soaking, right. This goes 346 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 6: in ice water, and it goes in ice water for 347 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 6: about an hour and then it turns into bear. 348 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 4: With me, call that. No you're okay, Oh you're here. 349 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 4: It's kind of will crunch you like this and. 350 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 2: See I see you cut it. 351 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 4: Just put it in nice water. 352 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 2: So the dressing, I'll make the dressing for one. 353 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 5: I'll put a tiny bit whatever you want, don't don't, 354 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 5: don't change anything on my account. 355 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: What is that beautiful chili? Chili? 356 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 4: Gorgeous fine chili, like a tiny bit. 357 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: And then. 358 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 4: These anchovies are really. 359 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: Chovies are so beautiful. 360 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 4: A bit more peppering. 361 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 5: I'll just touched my. 362 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 6: Hands probably about that much olive. 363 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 4: This is actually making it's going to be super well dressed. 364 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's gorgeous. 365 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is just your dressing. 366 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 2: Oh so gorgeous. 367 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 4: And it is literally simple. 368 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: Now how dry? Did I get them dry enough? In 369 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: your estimation? 370 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 4: Okay? 371 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 6: But I mean, heavens you like as much vinegar as 372 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 6: you like. 373 00:18:51,680 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 7: Really, yeah, So Sarah read the recipe and I just 374 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 7: tell you that it's absolutely divine. 375 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,239 Speaker 5: And it was on Sunday. Two heads of puntarell. Am 376 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 5: I saying it correctly? Puntarell, five salted anchovies cleaned, and 377 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 5: your wonderful chef used Spanish anchovies, two tablespoons of red 378 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 5: wine vinegar. One garlic clove chopped. And then she did 379 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 5: this gorgeous thing with her knife where she sort of 380 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 5: Smearede's right, Sean, I'm sorry, Sean. She sort of took 381 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 5: her knife and mashed it and made it a wonderful 382 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 5: kind of misery. One garlic chrove chopped as I've had, 383 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 5: two dried chilis, one teaspoon of black pepper, four tablespoons 384 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 5: of extra virgin olive oil. And then to prepare the puntarell, 385 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 5: fill a bowl with ice cold water, adding a few 386 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 5: ice cubes. Pull the hollow buds from the puntarel heads. 387 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 5: I guess once they're out of that and nice and 388 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,239 Speaker 5: clean and crisp, slice the buds very thinly lengthwise and 389 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 5: place in the water to crisp until they curl up. 390 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: This will take about an hour. 391 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 5: Add the garlic to the anchovies with the crumbled chilis 392 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 5: and the pepper at the olive oil. Spin dry the 393 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 5: punterrell and place in a bowl and mix with the 394 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 5: anchovy sauce. 395 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: Per perfection, per perfection. 396 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm curious about when you first had pontourel that purel 397 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: was Cincinnati. 398 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 5: In Cincinnati and no, well, I moved to New York 399 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 5: when I was a very little girl. But we can 400 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 5: talk about the vegetables that were available in Cincinnati. But 401 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 5: the first time we had it, there was a wonderful 402 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 5: little restaurant that didn't last very long, and it was 403 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 5: on McDougall, and I can't remember the cross Street, right 404 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 5: off of sixth Avenue, and it was on the menu, 405 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 5: and I just Matthew and I actually just read the 406 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 5: ingredients or the description and we thought, well, of. 407 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 2: Course we'll try it. 408 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 5: And it was absolutely beautiful, and so then we sort 409 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 5: of like we're chasing it. 410 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 2: I guess a wee bit like truffles, like waiting for 411 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 2: that moment you know, yeah, that is Italian food. 412 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 4: You have it, then you say goodbye. 413 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what makes it so especial. 414 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, But going back to Cincinnati, tell us about eight children. 415 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 5: I'm one of eight, yes, and in Cincinnati at that 416 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 5: point we had only six. My mother was pregnant with 417 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 5: the baby girl when we moved to New York City. 418 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 5: We moved to New York City in nineteen on January 419 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 5: first of nineteen seventy seven, so I've lived there most 420 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 5: of my life. My real father is from Brooklyn, born 421 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 5: and raised, so we spent some time before that in 422 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 5: Brooklyn visiting and visiting my grandparents on my father's side. 423 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 5: But food was for a lot of my siblings. We 424 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 5: think and talk and share feelings, thoughts, experiences with food. 425 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 5: I would say in some way, it dominates our relationship, 426 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 5: like it's the it's the thing that we I would say, 427 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 5: maybe with books as well, but food probably even more so. 428 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 5: And we all have a different relationship with it. Some 429 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 5: of us cook, some of us don't. Some of us 430 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 5: have money to explore restaurants that would be more rarefied, 431 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 5: and some don't. 432 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: But food is. 433 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 5: And always has been in my memory, this destination and 434 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 5: I always want to. 435 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: Have something I've never had. 436 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: Always, But did your mother did she cook? What were 437 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: meal times like? 438 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: And she cooked? We had dinner every single night, we 439 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: all seven eventually all eight. 440 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 5: My mother would probably say that she really didn't care. 441 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 5: She didn't enjoy cooking. She didn't come from a family 442 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 5: that enjoyed food, and I think with eight kids, yeah, 443 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 5: it was it was work versus joy. But simultaneously she 444 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 5: loved food. And she, as a young woman, went off 445 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 5: to New York City as an employee of Procter and Gamble, 446 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 5: which is a big company in Cincinnati, Ohio. You know, 447 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 5: like a lot of girls straight out of college, got 448 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 5: a job at Procter and Gamble and was sent to 449 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 5: New York to be a salesperson. And her first stop 450 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 5: was always Chinatown, Always Chinatown. 451 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: She loved Chinatown. She loved Chinese food, She loved anything 452 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: that was different. 453 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 5: And there was a place in the sixties, this would 454 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 5: be in the fifth fifties, yeah, late fifties, mid to 455 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 5: late fifties, and there was a place called Dave's Lunchonette 456 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 5: that was a very famous place you just stopped by 457 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 5: and had an egg cream after having Chinese food. And 458 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 5: so she, of course she grew up reading The New Yorker. 459 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 5: The librarians from the time she was a little girl 460 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 5: would save her the weekly New Yorker. So she would 461 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 5: read about food, and she would read about Chinatown, and 462 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 5: she would read about places in the outer boroughs. And 463 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 5: so for her, food was this thing that was part 464 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 5: of another life that she hoped to give all of us. 465 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 5: And so even though she didn't like cooking, and she cooked, 466 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 5: you know, three meals a day, we all helped with breakfast, lunch, 467 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 5: and breakfast and dinner lunch in the summers. 468 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 4: Did your mother work? 469 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: Did she manage to feed seven and eight children every 470 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: day and work or did? 471 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 4: She was a school. 472 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 5: Teacher up until a few months after I was born, 473 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 5: and then I think that was her last year. 474 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 2: She taught second grade. 475 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 5: At the time, we lived in a very little city 476 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 5: in southeastern Ohio. 477 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: This was before Cincinnati. 478 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 5: It was in the foothills of Appalachia actually, And so 479 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 5: she taught second grade, but her students could be anywhere 480 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 5: from seven to fourteen years old, depending upon how much 481 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 5: time they've been afforded to be in school. And so 482 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 5: she stopped teaching for many many years, and just not 483 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 5: just she was a which she consumed all our time. 484 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 5: And then she started her own preschool. For many many years, 485 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 5: she had her own school in New Jersey. It was 486 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 5: a sort of Montessori. She's a progressive educator and she 487 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 5: retired from that about ten years ago, and she just 488 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 5: came to London to visit. My father passed away a 489 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 5: year ago, so she's newly. 490 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 4: Was there anybody helping her? Did your father ever go 491 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 4: and your stepfather ever go in the kitchen? And did 492 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 4: everybody help? 493 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: Everybody? 494 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: It was our job school, do your homework and then 495 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: help get the dinner. 496 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 5: Yes, well, we came home from school, we did some 497 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 5: homework sort of, and then we wed ballet classes and 498 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 5: so we'd come home from ballet then we'd all jump 499 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 5: in and help in the kitchen. We all had jobs 500 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 5: before and after dinner that wasn't necessarily connected to cooking. 501 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 5: It was cleaning, putting things away, sweeping, loading the dishwa 502 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 5: unloading the dishwasher, helping with laundry. 503 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, but even though. 504 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 5: It was labor, we all came out of that house 505 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 5: for the most part, really loving food and willing to 506 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 5: try anything. And if I travel sometimes I say I'm 507 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 5: only going to try, like I'll take a job. I think, well, 508 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 5: I'm really taking this just so I can go eat this. 509 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 5: And you know, if you are on a holiday and 510 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 5: you go trying to find restaurants, and I do endless months. 511 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 2: Of research, like where where, where, where where? 512 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 5: And then you get to your destination and you'll try 513 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 5: to ask people and they'll send you the place that 514 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 5: everybody else in the hotel is going, or everybody else, 515 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 5: and I'll say, no, no, no, no, please, where do you eat, 516 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 5: mister concierge, Miss concierge, where do you eat? 517 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 2: Where do you eat? 518 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 5: And they won't tell me because they think we want 519 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 5: this stacked food fancy, you know, And so I'll just 520 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 5: follow the employees home. 521 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I literally follow them home. 522 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 5: And then I see where they live and their communities 523 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 5: and their restaurants, and that's where I go, and that's 524 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 5: where I shop hardware stores. 525 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: You know, maybe you could just stay with the employees. 526 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 5: But that's where so many tobs and just yeah, because 527 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 5: you know, what, does that make sense? 528 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: If used to always go to bookstores. You get into 529 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: Verona or it's a little town in the south of 530 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: Spain or Italy, and he'd always, for some reason, he 531 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: would always think that people who worked in bookstores would 532 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: know would know where to eat, right and probably where 533 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: they like to do those places. 534 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 5: That means it's I think finding that local experience, it 535 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 5: completes the experience in a way that sometimes you can't 536 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 5: have if you don't know. You know, like when a 537 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 5: local person gives you directions and you realize, oh, they're 538 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 5: giving me directions without realizing how little I know. You 539 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 5: describe to someone how to get on bleaker, you'd have 540 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 5: to say, listen, bleaker. 541 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 2: Is going to go left and right and up and down. 542 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 5: You have to give them those So when you get 543 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 5: to local, you're like having their experience. 544 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: I asked quite a few actors whether when they took 545 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: a part, whether they would not so much choose the 546 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: part that's kind of extreme. 547 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 4: It's the restaurants. 548 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: Were there, but they quite a few of them did 549 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: research before going to shoot a film in Budapest or 550 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: Venice or wherever they were before they went to find out, 551 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, where to eat. 552 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's important, isn't it. 553 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: When I think it maybe a movie to feel part 554 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: of the community. 555 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, wherever you can market I think, wherever you get 556 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 5: to travel for whatever reason, if you can somehow try 557 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 5: to embed a little bit in the local flavor of 558 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 5: a community. 559 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. Sometimes I'll I've been. 560 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 5: You know, for work, you have to travel a lot, 561 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 5: and you do like these things like press junkets, you know, 562 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 5: and especially in the old days, they do these big 563 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 5: grand world tours and you'd be given a guide, which 564 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 5: was all wonderful and I was super grateful. But then 565 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 5: I would just say to the guy like, no, stop 566 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 5: the van, now, stop the van. 567 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: Now, I want to get out here. 568 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 5: They're like, well, there's just houses here, and I was like, yes, exactly, 569 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 5: I just want to see the houses. 570 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: You know. 571 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 5: I don't know, you feel like you're seeing something versus 572 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 5: the same boulevard with the fancy shops and the fancy restaurants. 573 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 4: Time for our question from our audience. 574 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 3: What happens on an airplane you have a long distance flight, 575 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 3: because I cannot imagine the cuisine exciting you do you 576 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 3: bring your own food? 577 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 5: Depends on the airline, Like I think a lot of 578 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 5: the Asian airlines. 579 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: Have really, really really good food. 580 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 5: Air lingis I love their food, but I will bring 581 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 5: I always have snacks in my bag. I always have 582 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 5: meat sticks that I love. 583 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: Like you know, healthy, No not. 584 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 5: I'll bring stuff that I think will get me through 585 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 5: a flight that might have that I might there might 586 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 5: be dubious. 587 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: I might have some feelings and concerns. I might. 588 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 5: I can't bear the idea of being hungry. I just 589 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 5: like meaning, let me rephrase that. If I can help 590 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 5: that not be true, I will. I will keep up 591 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 5: my end, you know what I mean. So, but I 592 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 5: don't mind trying anything on an airline. I was, you know, 593 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 5: in the old days, what I was telling when we 594 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 5: used to do these big press junkets. We were always 595 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 5: flying to Japan, and I will say that food on 596 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 5: Japan airline was like what I'm. 597 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: Just stay up just to eat. They're like, would you 598 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 2: like to rest? 599 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 5: And I was like, absolutely not, I would like to eat, 600 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 5: and they just and then start the next offering, like 601 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 5: what else is on this menu? 602 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: If you like listening to Ruthie's Table for would you 603 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: please make sure to rape and review the podcast on 604 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, o, wherever you get 605 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: your podcasts. 606 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 4: Thank you. 607 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: When I was growing up, we all went to restaurants 608 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: for a special occasion, you know, a birthday and anniversary 609 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: and my mother just being possibly too tired to cook. 610 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: But it was a rare occasion that we went. And 611 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: here in the river cafe. We see people coming in 612 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: for Saturday lunch, Sunday lunch, early dinners, late dinners, and 613 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: kids are ordering and there is a breadth of children 614 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: and young people eating out. 615 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that they're more used to it than I 616 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 5: ever was. I mean, it was such a big deal 617 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 5: to eat out for us growing up, and we certainly 618 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 5: get to and we get to travel in a way 619 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 5: that my family didn't take vacations. We didn't go on 620 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 5: a holiday, not until much later. And then it was 621 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 5: you know, you're sharing a house with another family and you're. 622 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 2: Still cooking all your meals. You wouldn't, you know. 623 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 5: We would go to the outer Banks of North Carolina. 624 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 5: This was forty years ago more oh more, and it 625 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 5: was this sort of very pristine, not very popular destination. 626 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 5: And so the big deal for us was that we 627 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,239 Speaker 5: would get crab and throw down newspaper and you know, 628 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 5: and that was a big deal. 629 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 2: That was like eating out. 630 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 5: But but my children when we when they came to 631 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 5: London to visit, we went out the first night and 632 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 5: they're like, oh my gosh, we haven't been to a restaurant. 633 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 2: In so long. It's so exciting to be at a restaurant. 634 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 5: So it's still exciting, but it's something they're definitely more 635 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 5: familiar with it than I ever was, and. 636 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 4: You a child. 637 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I think one of another sumaries that we 638 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: both like our neighborhoods. 639 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 4: You know that we like a neighborhood. Ye I liked neighborhood. 640 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: I love neighbors and. 641 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: You know when we when we moved, it's not where 642 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: I live is in quite the West Village, but it 643 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: in the sense it doesn't have a perhaps a lot 644 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: of the character that you have, but it is a 645 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: place that you want to be involved in. So they 646 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: call up, you know, we called the local theater and 647 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: said we're. 648 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, what can we do? 649 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 4: Or you I know, you do that with your neighborhood. 650 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and your neighborhood, being the West Village is probably 651 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: full of restaurants. 652 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: We do. 653 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 4: Do you go to the same place over and over? 654 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: We do? And especially. 655 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 5: You know, after the pandemic, we were really concerned. There 656 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 5: were a lot of small businesses and restaurants included in 657 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 5: that that were not part of larger consortiums that were 658 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 5: really really struggling. 659 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure you all had it here as. 660 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 5: Well, and it was so easy to be supportive because 661 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 5: there are neighbors and we know their family stories or 662 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 5: the stories of the restaurants, and we knew, you know, 663 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 5: the collateral damage, Like if something closes, it's not just that, 664 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 5: it's everything around it that kind of lives and breathes 665 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 5: off of it. And so it's it's very easy to 666 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 5: do it, not just out of you know, desire to 667 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,959 Speaker 5: be a good citizen in a neighbor, but because it's one. 668 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 2: They're wonderful restaurants. 669 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 5: They're wonderful restaurants, and some are old and not inventive 670 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 5: at all, you know, they're not like rethinking or deconstructing 671 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 5: Italian food, but they've been in business since nineteen seventy eight, 672 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 5: you know. And then there's newer chefs that are doing 673 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 5: really exciting things. And then you've got your local little 674 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 5: delis and bodegas and everything in between. And it's a 675 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 5: real privilege to live among them and to say that 676 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 5: we are patrons and that we mean it. 677 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: You know, there's so much to talk about. Can you 678 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: tell us about the wine? Yes? 679 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 5: So I was asked now six years ago, seven years 680 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 5: ago by these two young gentlemen in New Zealand producing 681 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 5: savinyon Blanc out of the Marlboro region, which is not 682 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 5: that surprising if I would like to work with them 683 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 5: a partners them when I was absolutely confounded because I 684 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 5: didn't know anything about the wine business except that one 685 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 5: of the reasons my husband and. 686 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 2: I like to travel is to taste local wine. 687 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 5: I thought, like most of us, that you have to 688 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 5: come from generations of wine families, and the language I 689 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 5: thought I would never understand, and I thought it was 690 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 5: really only for. 691 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 2: The rarefied few. 692 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 5: But they said no, and I said, well, if you'll 693 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 5: let me really learn and really be as informed as possible, 694 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 5: that we can start talking about it. And of course 695 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 5: they did, and it's been an amazing, an amazing experience. 696 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 5: We're in our six vintage on our Savenye Bloc. It's 697 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 5: been picked in the top one hundred wines in the 698 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 5: world for the second time, and it's won all sorts 699 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 5: of awards. Like I don't say this about my acting 700 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 5: work ever, Like I wouldn't say like I've won it, 701 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 5: because I know how you haven't. But but I'm so 702 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 5: proud of this because we worked really hard and it's 703 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 5: been The Savenyon Blanc has been so beautifully received and 704 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 5: our Rose has been beautifully received and we've never I 705 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 5: think done below a ninety three and wine spectator, which 706 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 5: is a big deal in oursiness. And we're about to 707 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 5: launch our Pinon Noir, which is, oh, it's so gorgeous. 708 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 5: So it's been amazing and I really love them and 709 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 5: I love the wine. So yeah, we just keep working 710 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 5: really hard and I do all the blendings, and it's 711 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 5: been incredible. 712 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 2: It's been a great education. 713 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: If we were to say in this conversation that food 714 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: is fun and it's exciting, and it sustains us, and 715 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: we share it and we cook for our children as 716 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: an expression of love, it's also comfort if you do 717 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: need comfort. 718 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 4: Is there a food that you would turn to? Sarah 719 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 4: Jessica far. 720 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 2: Yes, I would say that. 721 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 5: Pork chops, and I would just describe them more specifically 722 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 5: as saying, thin cut pork chops on the bone, not fancy, 723 00:36:52,600 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 5: not from your most special butcher, but from Christiiti's like simple, 724 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 5: put them in the pan with. 725 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 2: All oiled salt and pepper, and. 726 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 5: Heavens, I just I don't know why I love it. 727 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 5: My brother loves them too, But bringing up a very 728 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 5: close competitor is probably lamb chops, which I make probably 729 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 5: two or three times a week. I make pork chops 730 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 5: at least twice a week, and we here, I've made lamb. 731 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 4: How do you make your lamb chops. 732 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 2: I'm kind of embarrassed because it's not but we use. 733 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 5: I use because I do the lamb chops. We use 734 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 5: carry gold butter. I an'tone know carry gold butter. There's 735 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 5: so much unsalted butter in London, it's kind of hard 736 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 5: to find the salted. So I use carry gold butter 737 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 5: and just a touch of olive oil so the butter 738 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 5: doesn't burn. And I salt and pepper the baby lamb 739 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 5: chops and I throw them in and that's it. And 740 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 5: they are just that. You can taste all the fat. 741 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 5: You can smell the fat when it's cooking. And we 742 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 5: eat a lot of lamb in Ireland, and I've buy 743 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 5: bought lamb here from. 744 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 2: Our local butcher. You go two or three times a week. 745 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: You have a house in Ireland, Yeah, it tell us 746 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:09,439 Speaker 1: just about. 747 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 5: It's way up in County Donegall, so it's way up 748 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 5: northwest and my husband's been going there since he was 749 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 5: a little boy, and I've been going there since we 750 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 5: were together, which was thirty years, and we finally bought 751 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 5: our own little house because he shares his family home 752 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 5: with his siblings and they have all grown children and 753 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 5: they have children, and so yeah, we go there a lot. 754 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 2: What is food like the best potatoes? 755 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 5: It really is like a cliche, but it's true, the greatest, greatest, 756 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 5: greatest potatoes ever, especially if you're there for the new 757 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,959 Speaker 5: potato season is seven carry gold butter. 758 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 2: York cabbage. 759 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 5: I don't know what it is about a York cabbage 760 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 5: that blows my mind. 761 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 2: Lamb lamb lamb lamb lamb lamb lamb. 762 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 5: The eggs, the rashers, any root stuff there is really good. 763 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 5: We don't We're not there enough to take care of 764 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 5: it and really earn it, you know, someday, someday. 765 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, white toast, white toast, baby batch. Anyone know 766 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 2: what a baby batch is? 767 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 5: No, it would be forbidden in my house growing up, 768 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 5: Like we were not allowed to have white bread growing up. 769 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 5: It's just bread slices like the kids like it. You 770 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 5: make sandwiches for when company comes over. But there's a 771 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 5: beautiful brown soda bread there that you just get it 772 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 5: in the Oh my gosh, that we eat crazy and 773 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 5: that we can get in the States. 774 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 2: We can get a bunch of the food in the States. 775 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 5: Now I'm going to get carry go butter Grease is 776 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 5: my Grease is my favorite place outside of any place else. 777 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 5: It's maybe the food, and I think there's nothing better 778 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 5: than a Greek salad in grease and lamb chops, But 779 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 5: I just think the people, the history, the culture, the art, 780 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 5: the way it looks. Just seeing Grease for the first 781 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 5: time and seen white against blue, against sky against the sea. 782 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think, I don't know. 783 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,439 Speaker 5: It's probably a place that I would spend many many 784 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 5: months a year if I could, like everywhere. 785 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have been part of so many award winning 786 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 3: productions over the years, whether it's film or television or theater. 787 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 3: I would love to hear about one of your favorite 788 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 3: celebratory meals. 789 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 5: Well, it happened to be my brother's birthday, but that 790 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 5: was coincidental. But he's my oldest brother and he's kind 791 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 5: of very important figure in our lives growing up. And 792 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 5: I had been like researching for a really long time 793 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 5: Georgian and Russian restaurants in Brooklyn, but like the real stuff, 794 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,879 Speaker 5: like because there's a massive Georgian and Russian community, as 795 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 5: you guys probably know in Brooklyn, and. 796 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 2: It's way way, way, way way out, like. 797 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 5: You know, could be thirty stops on the train, but 798 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,240 Speaker 5: you make like a pilgrim. 799 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 2: It's like a big deal. 800 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 5: Well it was for me, and I had been researching 801 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 5: and researching and then this day appeared and I. 802 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 2: Was like, this is the day I'm going to do it. 803 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 5: So I called my brother Pippin because he's one of 804 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 5: the siblings that goes crazy for the food like me, 805 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 5: and I said in Matthew, like, let's just do it. 806 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 5: And so we went out on this long train ride, 807 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 5: which was fantastic because you're under and over and we 808 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 5: had Georgian. 809 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 2: Food, deep deep, deep deep Brooklyn. 810 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 5: And it was my brother's birthday, so it was really great. 811 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 5: And he had to go around the corner and buy 812 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 5: you know, spirits or wine or something. But that was 813 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:45,439 Speaker 5: an unbelievable meal. Unbelievable meal. Yeah, it was everything. That's 814 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 5: what I could think of. 815 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 3: I just wanted to ask about the joy of going 816 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 3: to a restaurant that's comforting, like jeans, jeans. 817 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 2: Did you say jeans? Who is that? 818 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 4: Oh? 819 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 3: Hi? 820 00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 4: Jeans As a restaurant. 821 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 5: Yeah Jeans is a wonderful restaurant on Eleventh Street in 822 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 5: the West Village, very near Sunny and Country. 823 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 2: Seemingly a little bit like not fancy room. 824 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 5: It's this beautiful room, terribly low ceiling, one of the 825 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 5: prettiest bars you'll ever see in New York City. 826 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 2: It's got marble steps. 827 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 5: You walk down to it, and this gorgeous bar greets 828 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 5: you that's been around for however long this is through 829 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 5: the math, I can't do it famously good bartender. Locals 830 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 5: sit there and eat and the food is like veal, scallipini, 831 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 5: you know, tomatoes, sauce. But they are one of those 832 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 5: places that number when you did the thing with Danny 833 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 5: Meyer and he talked about how these restaurants in New 834 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 5: York put out the stain in the steel platter with 835 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 5: the cold vegetables on the ice cubes. So you get 836 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,800 Speaker 5: to your table and it's got big radishes and carrot 837 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 5: sticks and cellar hearts of celery and fennel. 838 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 2: Is gorgeous. 839 00:42:54,320 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 5: It's like easy, wonderful, and everybody in there is an 840 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 5: older group and they're so lovely, but all say, you know, 841 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 5: we're going to go see your show. You know, we 842 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 5: read about the book or you know, they're very community 843 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 5: oriented and it's a wonderful place and we go there 844 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 5: a lot on Sunday nights, like if we're meeting other people, 845 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 5: if we're not going to invite people to our house 846 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 5: for dinner. 847 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 2: We'll go to Jean's. Okay, we have to go to 848 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 2: Jean's beautiful cocktails. 849 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 4: Shall we eat? Okay? Thank you, thank you so much. 850 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for listening to Ruthie's Table for 851 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: in partnership with Montclair. 852 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 2: Ruthie's Table four is produced by Atamei Studios for iHeartRadio. 853 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,720 Speaker 3: It's hosted by Ruthie Rogers, and it's produced by William Lensky. 854 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 2: This episode was edited by Julia Johnson and mixed by 855 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 2: Nigel Appleton. 856 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,760 Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Fay Stewart and Zad Rogers. 857 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 2: Our production manager is Caitlin Paramore, and our production coordinator 858 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,720 Speaker 2: is Bella Cellini. 859 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 5: This episode had additional contributions by Sean Wynn Owen. 860 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,879 Speaker 4: Thank you to everyone at the River Cafe for your 861 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 4: help in making this episode.