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Speaker 1: Bill's president of baseball operations, Dave Dombrowski, joining the show

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Dave, good to see you.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, I'm doing fine. How about yourselves?

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Speaker 2: Very good?

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Speaker 4: Finally finally we got it. Gosh, I've been chasing this

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Speaker 4: dude for years. Finally got a fellow Pollock to come

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Speaker 4: on the show.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if he was ever unfortunate because that means

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Speaker 3: we got knocked out of the playoffs, So that's the

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Speaker 3: unfortunate part of it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I didn't want that. I wouldn't want that, but yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm proud to be final. So thank you for because

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Speaker 4: I've had to go into other booths to try to

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Speaker 4: find this guy. I've had to chase down Brian Barber,

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Speaker 4: I've had to chase down Sam Fold, I've had to

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Speaker 4: chase down Hora.

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Speaker 5: What's your name? Hora? Uh Na? Yeah, I had to

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Speaker 5: chase through him.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, can we just get to talk to Dave

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Speaker 2: around He's day guy. Dave. Did you ever try and

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Speaker 2: acquire a J.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, I did not do that. Well,

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Speaker 3: now you're stuck with I wasn't too many times when

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Speaker 3: he was with the White Sox, so you beat me too.

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Speaker 5: Often I wasn't good enough.

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Speaker 4: You know, he had Victor Martinez and Alex Avila and

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Speaker 4: all those all star guys.

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Speaker 5: It just had meat on there, just schlepping away.

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Speaker 1: Aaron all start to well, So let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, what do you think of

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Speaker 1: the World Series matchup? Obviously the team that's representing the

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Speaker 1: National League knocked out your team, So what do you

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Speaker 1: think you've seen from them?

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Speaker 3: Well, I hope it's a great series. Have been, of course,

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Speaker 3: been watching the other league too, with Seattle and Toronto.

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Speaker 3: I'm watching them play throughout. But the Dodgers are really

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Speaker 3: good and I think any club that plays them at

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Speaker 3: this point has has their work cut out for him.

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Speaker 3: And for me, it's primarily their starting pitching. And their

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Speaker 3: starting pitching is is top of the level right now,

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Speaker 3: so if you're scoring runs off of them, you're doing

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Speaker 3: a pretty good job. The biggest question for me is

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Speaker 3: with Toronto, Wilso has a very good club. When you

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Speaker 3: take this one week layoff that the Dodgers are going

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Speaker 3: to take, that sometimes it does affect your hitters and

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Speaker 3: will your pitchers hold them down enough to not give

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Speaker 3: them any runs? Basically, but if you're going to beat

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Speaker 3: the Dodgers, defending champs, You're going to really play well.

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Speaker 6: Do you look at that series that when you guys

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Speaker 6: playing against them, and do you look back and go, man,

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Speaker 6: because they had a higher payroll, or because of a

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Speaker 6: move I didn't make, that's why they won, or do

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Speaker 6: you watch the games and go we were in the

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Speaker 6: right spot. Our lineup had more hits pitch. Our starting

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Speaker 6: pitching out pitched their starting pitching, which has gotten all

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Speaker 6: these flowers the rest of the postseason. You had them

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Speaker 6: in three of the four categories of baseball except for

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Speaker 6: the wins and losses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I look at it more. And it's a great

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Speaker 3: question because you can look at it so many different ways,

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Speaker 3: and basically, when you lose, they all break your heart.

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Speaker 3: But I really looked at that. We went toe to

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Speaker 3: toe with a really, really good club and we're in

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Speaker 3: a position where you look at the first game, you know,

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Speaker 3: a bad pitch, three run homer, and all of a

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Speaker 3: sudden we lose five to three. The second game, very

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Speaker 3: unfortunate as far as you know, a bunt that we

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Speaker 3: Third game, of course we won, and look what happened

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Speaker 3: in the fourth game. We saw that. As far as

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Speaker 3: it's so, the way I look at it is and

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Speaker 3: even in that second game I've talked about it in

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Speaker 3: the case that they scored four runs in one inning, Well,

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Speaker 3: perkerm came in, busted, the bat broke, the bat turner

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Speaker 3: comes in, makes a good play, throws it to the plate.

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Speaker 3: The ball goes to the first base side of the

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Speaker 3: plate rather than the third base side, very understandably, he's rushed.

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Speaker 3: The ball's on the third base side. They don't score

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Speaker 3: any runs at anything. So it's just that close. And

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Speaker 3: I look at the difference between us as being very

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Speaker 3: very small, but yet they beat us. And that's all accounts.

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Speaker 3: So you got to look at trying to get better

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Speaker 3: this year and do it any way you possibly can,

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Speaker 3: because they're not going away, Dave.

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Speaker 4: I saw John Middleton last week or so, and it

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Speaker 4: was talking to him and I said to him, I

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Speaker 4: was like, you know you're going to get one. First

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Speaker 4: of all, I said, you're going to get one. Just

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Speaker 4: just say the course, and he you know, it gives

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Speaker 4: you that look like I hope so right, But then

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Speaker 4: he brought up the strike three with Sanchez, the one

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Speaker 4: that was called the ball in the abs and all that,

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Speaker 4: and I've heard your.

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Speaker 5: Comments on that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if that ball, if that strike three goes

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Speaker 4: the whole thing where they tie the game, and then

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Speaker 4: the kirkering thing doesn't probably happen. Do you feel that,

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Speaker 4: I know you've said it, but do you really feel

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Speaker 4: that way that if the umpire calls that ball in

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Speaker 5: It's two two.

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Speaker 4: You guys come back to Philly and anything happen because man,

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Speaker 4: Christopher Sanchez pitched awesome that night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you never know how it's going to go.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it might make a difference. At a particular time,

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Speaker 3: I was thinking back and this was you guys don't

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Speaker 3: remember this, but in two thousand and nine, I was

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Speaker 3: with the Tigers and we played the Minnesota Twins in

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Speaker 3: Game one sixty three.

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Speaker 2: We tied.

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Speaker 3: We played in Minnesota, we lost the game. We lost

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Speaker 3: it in an extra innings and there was a pitch

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Speaker 3: that hit Brandon Inge that would have given us a

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Speaker 3: two run lead, and the home played umpire at that time.

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Speaker 3: Randy Marsh tremendous umpire, good umpire. We didn't have replay

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Speaker 3: at that time, saw the replay afterwards and was heartbroken

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Speaker 3: because he missed the call would have given us. It

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Speaker 3: had been a different game at that point, we would

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Speaker 3: have gone into potentially at that point of everything else

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Speaker 3: played in the alcs at that time. So our alds

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Speaker 3: happen from there, but it gives you a better chance,

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Speaker 3: of course, because it keeps you alive at that particular time.

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Speaker 6: Have you had a personal conversation with Kirkering? Have you?

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Speaker 6: And do you guys have something with the organization in

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Speaker 6: place to check in with them, because I think there's

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Speaker 6: a lot of people Dodgers and Phillies fans and baseball

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Speaker 6: fans who are heartbroken for the kid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel terrible for him, and he's a quality

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Speaker 3: kid and he's a good pitcher. Yes, I spoke to

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Speaker 3: back here. We do have the type of support system

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Speaker 3: I think you need to have him a little time

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Speaker 3: to breathe, but for sure we will definitely do that

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Speaker 3: because I'm sure he's heartbroken too. Again, tough kid, but

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Speaker 3: we need they have the type of support system and

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Speaker 3: we do within the organization, from the mental end of it,

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Speaker 3: from the poaching end of it, from the front office

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Speaker 3: end of it, that we'll all stay in contact with

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Speaker 4: Dave, by the way, that I hate to bring up

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Speaker 4: bad memories at two thousand and nine game once, that

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Speaker 4: was an awesome game. I know, the guys lost. That

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Speaker 4: was extra innings. I mean, that was an awesome game.

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Speaker 5: And and the.

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Speaker 4: Umpires they hated y'all before replay Between that and the

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Speaker 4: Andres Galaraga Perfect Game that, I mean, man, you'll had

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Speaker 5: Some terrible calls.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, no, yes, I mean then you had the date.

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Speaker 5: Oh you had the David Artis.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just thinking about because obviously I know

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Speaker 4: all these because I was in the I was in

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Speaker 4: the central for AWL, like they had the David Ortiz

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Speaker 4: Phillies now, but when I look back on the Tigers,

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Speaker 4: how close you guys were a year and in year out,

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Speaker 4: like to just finally getting over the eighty four, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean twelve you lost to the Giants thirteen obvious

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Speaker 5: I mean, oh, I'm just like, gosh, if I was,

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Speaker 5: I'm like, you get so close and you just oh.

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Speaker 3: You're as you know, the game breaks your heart, right

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Speaker 3: is what it does more than that's what makes winning,

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Speaker 3: so you know, feel so great. And I'll go back

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Speaker 3: in my own and you look at the Braves when

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Speaker 3: they won the one World championship. She just telling the

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Speaker 3: years I've been with the club that's been the postseason

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Speaker 3: right one time we want well, I mean ten other

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Speaker 3: think you have a club that should win it. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: you always feel you can win it, but you also

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Speaker 3: but so many heartbreaks, and that's just you have to

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Speaker 3: You have to regroup and try to get yourself better.

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't do you any good to just keep

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Speaker 3: So you have to move forward.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 6: We buttered you up with the easy ones. Now I'm

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Speaker 6: going to ask you the hard one. From the player's

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Speaker 6: point of view, your comments about Bryce do you feel

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Speaker 6: like they were misconstrued? Because we talked about it on

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Speaker 6: here and I was kind of like, I don't know,

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Speaker 6: maybe it's a little motivation. Which do you feel like

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Speaker 6: your comments about him, you know, not being elite right

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Speaker 6: now or if he'll ever get back to being elite

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Speaker 6: because you are honest and we appreciate honesty in baseball.

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Speaker 6: That is like the greatest trait besides hitting homers.

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Speaker 3: Well, and it's of course got a life of its own.

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Speaker 3: I said so many things in a one hour press conference,

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Speaker 3: and this is the one thing that gets out there.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I mean, to me, Bryce Harper is

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Speaker 3: one of the best players in the game of baseball.

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Speaker 3: And when I say he didn't have it, they asked

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Speaker 3: And I said, he had a very good year. I

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Speaker 3: don't think he had an elite year. And when I

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Speaker 3: say that, when I think of Bryce Harper, it's a

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Speaker 3: compliment because the reality is, there are I don't know

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Speaker 3: eight ten players in the game of baseball every year

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Speaker 3: when they're not, let's say, in the MVP consideration for

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Speaker 3: they just have a bad year, but whatever it's it's

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Speaker 3: not an elite year for them. So the reality is

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Speaker 3: is that he's a great player, He's a future Hall

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Speaker 3: of Famer. This thing's got a life of its own.

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Speaker 5: I mean, why not, it's not your money, just kind

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Speaker 3: My neck's been on the line before, so it wouldn't

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Speaker 6: That's great to hear somebody coming back from something like that.

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Speaker 6: You had mentioned late in the game kind of somewhat

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Speaker 4: Dave, How don't you can't you come up with your

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Speaker 4: go to win every year? Right, You're like prospects, You're

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Speaker 4: But you're like, I'm going for it. Listen, we have

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Speaker 4: How come more gms aren't like that? And they always

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Speaker 5: First of all, no team has seventeen prospects, but our.

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Speaker 3: I was lucky when I first started in baseball, and

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Speaker 3: and he basically it puts into your mind you don't

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Speaker 3: if you have a chance to win, you go for it.

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Speaker 3: And that's really been my philosophy. Now when I say that,

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Speaker 3: within reason you want to keep some prospects, I remember

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Speaker 3: And then of course you have to have ownership support,

437
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Speaker 3: so you work closely with ownership if you're with the club.

438
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Speaker 3: I'm way back when I was with in the beginning,

439
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Speaker 3: when I was with the Florida Marlins back at that time,

440
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Speaker 3: we were looking to build at that particular time because

441
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Speaker 3: we're starting from scratch, so you're looking with a different philosophy.

442
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Speaker 3: But when you have a chance to win and you

443
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Speaker 3: can go for it within reason, and I think you

444
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Speaker 3: also a lot of people forget if you're going to

445
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Speaker 3: get quality, you have to give quality. And so a

446
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Speaker 3: lot of times people want to get somebody that's really good,

447
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Speaker 3: but they don't want to give anybody up. And that's

448
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Speaker 3: tough to do. If you can, you know, bless you

449
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Speaker 3: and make that type of deal, but it doesn't happen

450
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Speaker 3: very often.

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Speaker 4: Agreed agreed, so you brought it up. I was going

452
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Speaker 4: to wait till the end. But since you brought him

453
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Speaker 4: up the White Sox, Okay, I know rolling him and

454
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Speaker 4: he I I've known him forever.

455
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Speaker 5: Okay.

456
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Speaker 4: But the question I want to know is, there's two

457
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Speaker 4: things to usa. Was fired by Hawk, You were let

458
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Speaker 4: go by Hawk, Okay, how come Jerry didn't bring you

459
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Speaker 4: back like he did with Tony to g be the

460
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Speaker 4: GM president of Baseball ops. And then, second of all,

461
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Speaker 4: I don't know this, and I've done Hawk since I

462
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Speaker 4: was in high school, so I've done Hawk for thirty

463
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Speaker 4: five years.

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Speaker 5: Are you and him talk? Are you guys friends? Because

465
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Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know the answer to this question.

466
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Speaker 3: Well, I guess Jerry thought Tony was better than me.

467
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Speaker 3: That's probably why. So that's probably why I did that

468
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Speaker 3: at that particular time. And I have a good relationship

469
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Speaker 3: with Jerry, so he's been very good to me throughout

470
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Speaker 3: my career and been very very nice. In Hawk's case,

471
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Speaker 3: there really was a long time in which I did

472
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Speaker 3: not speak with him. You know, I would say hi

473
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Speaker 3: to him because we passed each other. He is a

474
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Speaker 3: broadcaster with the White Sox and me with the other

475
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Speaker 3: organizations with primarily with Detroit during that time period. But

476
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Speaker 3: there was a when I went to Boston. I remember

477
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Speaker 3: he called me about something to congratulate me, and we

478
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Speaker 3: talked for a while. And so I'm not you know,

479
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Speaker 3: like Tony Larus and I are very good friends. Jimmy

480
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Speaker 3: Leelan and I are very good friends. We talk on

481
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Speaker 3: the phone all the time. I'm not like that with Hawk,

482
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Speaker 3: but if Hawk was here, I would have very civil

483
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Speaker 3: conversation with them and respect what he accomplished in the game.

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Speaker 6: I got one question for you with Topper. You guys,

485
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Speaker 6: we hear all the time about oh, they got changed

486
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Speaker 6: something up. You know, this team wins in the regular season,

487
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Speaker 6: they don't win in the postseason. I would disagree with

488
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Speaker 6: that because there has been wins. It's just been close games.

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Speaker 6: Do you guys ever talk with Topper about changing the

490
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Speaker 6: lineup up for the playoffs or if that was the case,

491
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Speaker 6: you change the lineup for the regular season and then

492
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Speaker 6: you just go into the playoffs and hope you win.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we talk about that. We talk about a lot

494
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Speaker 3: of different things a lot of times, and I basically

495
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Speaker 3: say we talk about everything. I always leave who I

496
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Speaker 3: look at I leave the manager's decisions to make the

497
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Speaker 3: lineup up my responsibility to supply the players for him.

498
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Speaker 3: But I'm in a position where we were very closely together.

499
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Speaker 3: We give them all the information he wants. We do

500
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Speaker 3: talk a lot of times it's the matchup of the team.

501
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Speaker 3: For example, this year, we talked about as we went on,

502
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Speaker 3: should we split the two left handed hitters Harper and

503
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Speaker 3: Schwarber because it makes us somewhat susceptible to left handed

504
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Speaker 3: pitching when you do that. Talked about it, but the

505
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Speaker 3: reality after we looked into it, there are two of

506
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Speaker 3: our better hitters against left hand pitching, and they hit

507
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Speaker 3: left hand pitching very well. So you talk about those

508
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Speaker 3: type of things all the time, and you look at

509
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Speaker 3: the other club's bullpen, you look how they shape up

510
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Speaker 3: what they might match up against you late in the game.

511
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Speaker 3: And Topper is on top of all of those type things.

512
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Speaker 3: So he's really got a good feel of that, and

513
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Speaker 3: sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, as we know, and

514
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Speaker 3: I've been around some great managers that make decisions that

515
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Speaker 3: don't work at a particular time, but doesn't take away

516
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Speaker 3: about how good that they do their job.

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Speaker 4: Dave, as we get to the World Series, would you

518
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Speaker 4: play Boba shit? And how do you judge if you

519
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Speaker 4: can play a guy or not? Because it's kind of

520
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Speaker 4: one of the major topics going to the World Series.

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Speaker 4: You had Trey Turner had the hamstring, came back for

522
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Speaker 4: the playoffs. Boba Shit's been out since I think September

523
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 4: sixth thish fifth sixth this so it's been almost six

524
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Speaker 4: weeks now. How do you judge if a player is

525
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Speaker 4: ready to play, especially a position like shortstop where you

526
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Speaker 4: need movement?

527
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Speaker 3: Right, I can't speak for both because of course don't

528
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Speaker 3: know enough about his particular situation. But like for us

529
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Speaker 3: with Trey, what we do is you want to make

530
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Speaker 3: sure can he play hard, is he healthy? Can he

531
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Speaker 3: give you what you need? So, for example, part of

532
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Speaker 3: Trey's equation was the speed that he brings to the game,

533
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Speaker 3: So over the time period, wanted to make sure that

534
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Speaker 3: we worked with him to make sure that he could run,

535
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Speaker 3: and then we brought pictures in to actually face him.

536
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Speaker 3: He used the machines and all that, but we brought

537
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Speaker 3: some pictures from the minor leagues that were pretty good,

538
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Speaker 3: so he could see live pitching at that time. So

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Speaker 3: really the evaluation is can he play up to the

540
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Speaker 3: level where he's not going to hurt him You never

541
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Speaker 3: want a guy to hurt themselves, but can you play

542
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Speaker 3: up to a level that will contribute to us without

543
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Speaker 3: hurting himself? And then you really I mean we watched

544
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Speaker 3: him run. He ran very well. He got better and

545
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Speaker 3: better as time went on, and his swing got better

546
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Speaker 3: and better as time went on the time he got better,

547
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Speaker 3: So I think it's an evaluation. Then you then, of course,

548
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Speaker 3: if you play a guy and depending what the injury is,

549
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 3: will you hurt yourself worse? If you think the guy's

550
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: going to hurt himself a lot worse, you're probably going

551
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Speaker 3: to stay away from that too. But when you start

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Speaker 3: talking about people like Turner and Bashett, they're tremendous players.

553
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Speaker 3: So sometimes seventy five or eighty percent of them might

554
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Speaker 3: be better than somebody else that's one hundred percent. So

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Speaker 3: those are all the type of things that you go

556
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Speaker 3: and play. And I rely a great deal on our

557
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Speaker 3: medical staff. Our medical staff's outstanding and they know what

558
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Speaker 3: it takes. So they've been around for a long time,

559
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Speaker 3: and so between them, our doctors, they give you a

560
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Speaker 3: pulse of hey, I feel comfortable to go ahead and

561
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Speaker 3: play this guy. It's not a problem. He'll be okay

562
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Speaker 3: or hey, I'd be careful because I don't I think

563
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Speaker 3: if he runs full boor he's going to be in

564
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Speaker 3: a position where he blows it out.

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Speaker 2: It's great insight, Dave, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Hope you enjoyed it. Look at the smile on AJS.

567
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Speaker 4: Anytime we can get fellow Polish Hall of famers on

568
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Speaker 4: the show, we need more of them, so I'm happy

569
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Speaker 4: to talk to those people.

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Speaker 3: Thanks. I'm glow. We can make it. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

572
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you were great.

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Speaker 5: And give Brian barbera raised for me. Okay, and tell

574
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Speaker 5: him I said that.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell them. He'll appreciate that, so I'll see perfect.

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Speaker 3: All right. Thanks for having me a good one.

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Speaker 2: That was great.

578
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Speaker 1: We got to get more GMS on now. That gets

579
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Speaker 1: me cranking again, thinking like we need to get more

580
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Speaker 1: GMS on. Some are so methodical, and then there's guys

581
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Speaker 1: like Dave who just talk like a normal person and

582
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Speaker 1: he's great. It's probably out of thirty, how many do

583
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Speaker 1: you think are like Dave these days?

584
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Speaker 2: And thoughtless?

585
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Speaker 1: We don't have to go through all the names, but

586
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Speaker 1: those kind of guys where when you talk to them,

587
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Speaker 1: you feel like you're talking to a person, and it's

588
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Speaker 1: not a calculated job interview where they use all the bezzwords.

589
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Speaker 1: You think ten so ten that really have the chops,

590
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Speaker 1: and then twenty that.

591
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Speaker 2: Are like.

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Speaker 6: Maybe fifteen maybe maybe fifteen because without even without even

593
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Speaker 6: thinking about it, that I can think definitely have the personalities.

594
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Speaker 6: And I think the personality of a GM. I know

595
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Speaker 6: it's player of Baseball Operations, president of baseball operations, but

596
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 6: the GM it's the same, it's the same job. But

597
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Speaker 6: they used to be like very arrogant, very like stand

598
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Speaker 6: off fish. They never were in the clubhouse. Now that

599
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 6: role has completely changed, even even since I started playing,

600
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Speaker 6: which I don't feel like has been that long ago.

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Speaker 1: My thing is there is a psychology component that keeps

602
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: getting amplified with anyone in management in baseball, would you

603
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Speaker 1: agree more psychology now than.

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Speaker 4: They And nobody wants to give anything away, and nobody

605
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Speaker 4: wants to tell you anything.

606
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Speaker 2: It's like weird, it's calculated.

607
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Speaker 4: Everything is everyone has to speaking and Dave is real dude,

608
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Speaker 4: like he's just telling us it's great.

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Speaker 5: I think we've had a couple.

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Speaker 4: Uh the guy in Cincinnati, uh Cral Yeah, he was awesome.

611
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Speaker 5: JJ Pickelo we've had him on.

612
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Speaker 6: Yeah, great, Arnold's great, yep Drop is great, and Anthopolis

613
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 6: is great.

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Speaker 5: Dave obviously, I tell you who we need to get on.

615
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Speaker 5: Scott Harris. Scott Harris, the Tigers guy. Yeah Brown, Yeah, oh.

616
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dana Brown's good. Yeah, we gotta get Scott Harris.

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Speaker 1: We gotta get Brian Cashman.

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Speaker 4: I can I can maybe get a hold of uh,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I can maybe try and get Scott Harris,

620
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Speaker 4: but uh yeah.

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Speaker 5: Friedman was great. You know else was great.

622
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Speaker 4: Neander when we had him in spring training with his

623
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Speaker 4: bucket had ar. These guys are good if you can

624
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Speaker 4: get him.

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Speaker 3: David.

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Speaker 4: David turns every time I see him. I kind of

627
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 4: laugh because I'm like, will you give me an answer?

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Speaker 4: You're going to give me a GM talk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: He's like, well, you know how it is, And I'm like, no,

631
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Speaker 5: come on, he's.

632
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Speaker 2: Got a long term I'm saying he should be more comfortable.

633
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Speaker 5: Brandon Bones was awesome when he came on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon, those sometimes will be very with stuff. We got,

635
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: you guys got him going a little bit. Sometimes he

636
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: can be fuck to crack on.

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Speaker 5: Infot relievers are easy to correct.

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Speaker 2: Especial way he's played against him m HM