1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I office received a call 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: from a neighbor just down the street advising us that 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: they believe someone had been shot. Two women at a 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: child found dead in Pittsylvania County. This was a shock 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: dot community, to anybody's community when something like this happens, 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: and it's just a reminder of how fragile life he is. 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: Two of the victims are the wife and child of 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: minor league baseball player Blake Vivins. According to ESPN, Bivins 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: is with the Montgomery Biscuits, part of the Tampa Bay 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: Rays organization. Local media reported that the suspect, naked attacked 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: a groundskeeper at a Baptist church while on the run. 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: I never dreamed metter like this had ever happened to me, 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: and wished to have happened to happen. I'm not wanting 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: to give me involved in something like The authority say 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: they placed three schools in the area on lockdown and 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: about one hundred officers from various agencies responded to the scene. 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: They have actually captured the suspect and took him into custody. 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend Craig Treadway at w pi X 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: eleven News What happened? How did a young mom? How 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: did her baby? And a third victim, a mother, a 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: sixty two year old grandma all end up dead, A 22 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: young mother just twenty five years old, a fourteen month 23 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: old baby, Emily's baby, and the mother Joan Bernard. Is 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: overwhelming at the tragedy. It came to the forefront because 25 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: Emily Bevins, twenty five years old, is the wife of 26 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: a double a pitcher with the Rays currently with the 27 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Montgomery Biscuits. His family slain in apparently a horror and 28 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: rural setting in southern verga I mean, as he Grace, 29 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: this is crime stories, thank you for being with us. 30 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: It's almost too much to take him. This area reminds 31 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: me of where I grew up in rural Middle Georgia, 32 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: not even in an incorporated city or town. It was 33 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: out in unincorporated Bibb County. As I recall, there are 34 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: only three homes only remotely close to ours on an 35 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: old red dirt road, and this area reminds me of 36 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: the rural nature of Middle Georgia, where crime is especially violent. 37 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: Crime is almost unheard of. With me an all star 38 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: panel to break it down and put it back together again. 39 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: Where now? Lawyer Ken Belkin out of New York criminal 40 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: defense attorney, former NYPD And let me tell you something. 41 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: He's been around the block a couple of times. John Cardillo, 42 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: psychologist from Manhattan. Doctor Karen Stark, South Carolina medical examiner, 43 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: author of Homocide Investigation field Guide, Doctor Michelle Dupree joining 44 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: me right now. Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Levi Page. 45 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't understand how in this rural we callic setting, 46 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: three murderers go down. What happened? Okay? A neighbor, Nancy 47 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: heard gunshots in the home near her and she called 48 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: nine one one, and when police arrived to the home, 49 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: that is when they found three bodies along with the 50 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: body of a dead dog inside this home with blood 51 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: splatter everywhere. Rose Stars, what can you tell me about 52 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: the location about where this took place? Is on the 53 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: Virginia North Carolina border in southern Virginia, Nancy, a very 54 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: small rural talent, like you had described. It's not a 55 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: place where you expect or like this to occur, but 56 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: it did occur here in this community is reeling from it. 57 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: Cops immediately come to the scene when they get word 58 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: of shots fired. They have no reason to believe. A 59 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: family is all but nearly wiped out. A young mom, 60 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: twenty five year old Emily Bivens, her baby, Colin Bivens, 61 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: just fourteen months old, and Emily's mother, sixty two year 62 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: old Joan Bernard, all gunned down. And now you're telling 63 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: me leave my page. The dog was killed too. The 64 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: family pet dog was beaten to death and blood was 65 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: all over this home. Nancy. It was quite the scene 66 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: and probably a shock to the police officers that don't 67 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: stumble across crime scenes like this on a daily basis. 68 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: A right handed picture. Bivens was picked by the Race 69 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 1: in the fourth round of twenty fourteen first year player 70 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: draft out of Washington High School in Danville, Virginia. He 71 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: married wife Emily twenty sixteen. Their little baby, Colin Micah Bevans, 72 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: turned one in June just before he was murdered. Emily 73 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: was a photographer and a devout Christian. According to her 74 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: Facebook page, I'm just thinking about when I had had 75 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: the twins, when they were fourteen months old, all the 76 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: joy we had, you know. I took John David, my 77 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: son now eleven, went on a scout trip this weekend. 78 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: His dad went with him as a volunteer, and I 79 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: took a chance, a very rare chance, that I get 80 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: to be alone with Lucy, my daughter, also eleven, of 81 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: course they're twins. And we drove and drove and drove 82 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: and got to the foothills of the Appalachian Trail, and 83 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: we walked around, we looked around. We just spent time 84 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: being together. And she kept asking me about my childhood 85 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: and one of my favorite memories. But they all seem 86 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: to be wrapped up in raising her in John David 87 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: and I told her story after story after story of 88 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: things they would do, and how they would go on 89 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: a stroller walks and get three baths a day, and 90 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: just the things I would slip into their bottles to 91 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: make them healthy, just all sorts of funny stories. All 92 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: this was just starting for Emily Bivins. She was just 93 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: starting with her fourteen month old with the most wonderful 94 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: journey of a lifetime raising your child. It just breaks 95 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: my heart. Who would do such a thing. Take a 96 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: listen to this our friends at w SLS ten. This 97 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: is John Carlin and Brittany McCraw. Deputies have identified the 98 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: suspect as nineteen year old Matthew Bernard. Family members say 99 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: he killed his mother, his sister, and her one year 100 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: old child. Deputies found their bodies at a home the 101 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: Kealing community. Pictures show the alleged aspect naked, running past 102 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: houses and a church before officers arrested him after an 103 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: hour's long manhunt. Neighbors say they were frightened to see 104 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: him running over to the church and choking a man 105 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: before he was beaten with batons and arrested. About a 106 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: hundred officers responded to that chaotic scene, and the man 107 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: hunt sent at least nine schools into lockdown. Family members 108 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: are among those with a lot of the unanswered questions tonight. 109 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: We don't know why the young man allegedly killed his 110 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: family members or how it happened, you know, to Dodgor 111 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: Karen Start, Bernard allegedly shot and killed three family members 112 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: and blood and the family dog dead. What does that 113 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: tell you about his mindset? Well, he's psychotic, Nancy, This 114 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: is somebody waynute. Wait a minute, you're going into work four. Okay. 115 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: We're just regular people, of course, except for doctor Micheldepre 116 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: who as a doctor, the NYPD and the criminal lawyer 117 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: Balkan and Cardillo. We're all on the same boat. Okay, 118 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: you and Dupree are the doctors. You got to break 119 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: that down. What do you mean by psychotic? His lost 120 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: track with reality. He's illusional, He's not seeing the world 121 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: the way we are, obviously, and he's a psychopath. So 122 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: he has no problems with killing people. He's in an 123 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: authored state. And you can tell. I mean, he was 124 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: running around naked. It's not like you can see that 125 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: there's anything that made sense. And I can't imagine that 126 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: he didn't get any signs that this was happening. I'm 127 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: sure that there were indications that something was going wrong 128 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: with this guy, and people weren't paying attention crime stories 129 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. The uncle told ten News these suspects 130 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: all around perfect kid. But he also says the teen 131 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: expressed to his mother last week he was having bad dreams. 132 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: A family torn to pieces. Investigators believe Matthew Barnard is responsible. 133 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: His uncle says this is out of character for his nephew. Well, 134 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: I love my nephew was snapped. Oh no, something changed 135 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: him a very quick period of time. Joan Bernard, daughter 136 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: Emily Bivins, and grandson Cullen Bivens. All three were shot 137 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: and killed, but no one knows what led to the shootings. 138 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: He expressed his mother last week that he was having 139 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: bad dreams and that he's seen Damon's around his baby, 140 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: and his uncle was told by the team's dad he 141 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: was troubled. On the day of the killings. He woke up. Yeah, 142 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: he just he says something to his mother that someone's 143 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: going on. It's got to stop. Today. You're hearing our 144 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: friends at WSLS ten. That was Arisia Jones with the 145 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: suspect's uncle, Bryant Bernard. Back to doctor Karen Start, a psychologist, 146 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: bad dreams does not insanity make although if he says 147 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: he sees demons around his bed, that would indicate visual hallucinations. 148 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: That's right, Nancy. The kindest thing that I had I 149 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: was mentioning with being delusional, a psychotic break, not being 150 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: in touch with reality. So it's not just bad dreams. 151 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: He saw demons and she said that something was going on. 152 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: It's very ominous sounding and it just doesn't sound like 153 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: somebody who's just your everyday great kids. As his uncle 154 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,599 Speaker 1: was describing, this is a kid that was falling apart 155 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: and losing touch with its reality. Joining me right now. 156 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: Renowned medical examiner doctor Michelle Dupre joining me out of 157 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: South Carolina, author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, Doctor Dupree. 158 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: Is there a way to determine when you've got three 159 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: dead victims Joan Bernard sixty two, the grandmother, the young mother, 160 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: Emily Bevins twenty five, and her baby, Collin Bevins, fourteen 161 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: months and you've got a dog victim, can you tell 162 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: who was murdered first in order to try and recreate 163 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: the scene? Yes, now, so we actually may be able to. 164 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: We can look at the blood drying and determine which 165 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: blood has dried first or dried the most. We can 166 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: look at things like that. We can also look at 167 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: the scene itself and see if there are any seen 168 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: walkers that may get that away. Wow, And to you, 169 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: John Cardillo, former NYPD, why would it be important to 170 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: determine the succession of the murders? Well, for several reasons. 171 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: One could be motive, right, that's something about that particular 172 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: victim trigger him, and it really could have been from 173 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: the dog to the baby, you know, in addition to 174 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: the family maybe getting more attention than him. I will 175 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: say one thing. Just listening to the uncle, the hesitation. 176 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: If I were interviewing the family, which they're going through 177 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: exhaustive interviews of law enforcement at this point, I'd be 178 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: reluctant at first past to believe the uncle. I heard 179 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: a lot of hesitation in his voice. I think he 180 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: knew more than he was letting on. I think this 181 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: kid had been troubled for a long time. The uncle, 182 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: to me, seems like he's traumatized. He lost a big 183 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: chunk of his family. But he doesn't want to bad 184 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: man the kid. But I just wasn't convinced with his 185 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: assertions that he was a really good kid. And this 186 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: all came on very suddenly. So I'm with you and 187 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: the doctor. I think there was probably a pattern here 188 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: that the family either ignored or simply didn't act upon. Well. 189 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you may be right. Take 190 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at w s l S ten. 191 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: This is Shane Dwyer with Bryant Bernard derrelative. My daughter 192 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: is a cole food in the shriff's department. She called 193 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: me and said, Dad, something's going on. You need to 194 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: find call your brother. That phone call started the day 195 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: that Bryant Bernard says he will never understand by the 196 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: end of it, his nephew, nineteen year old Matthew Bernard, 197 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: was running from police naked and attacked a man in 198 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: a church parking lot. And my wild as dreams, I 199 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: never could imagine that, not him, of all the paper 200 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: in this world, I never could imagine this police, who 201 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: say he's charged with three counts of murder. Matthew's uncle 202 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: says there are clues as to what happened Especial's mother 203 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: last week, that he was having bad dreams. Police won't 204 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: confirm any of the details of their investigation, and Bernard's 205 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: family says this man is not the Matthew that they know. 206 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: This boy is a Christian, went to church every Sunday, 207 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: every Wednesday, every Sunday night, taught youth groups, just all realms, 208 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: perfect kid, in my opinion. Well wait a minute, how 209 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: is that possible, to defense lawyer Ken Belkin joining us 210 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: out of New York. If he was teaching Sunday school 211 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: and youth groups and being coherent and showing up to 212 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: appointments on time, how could he suddenly have become a 213 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: psychopath gone psychotic. The reality is, even though we may 214 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: be doing these things. It's not mutually exclusive of the 215 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: fact that he might be engaged in psychotic behavior and 216 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: in this case, the murder of three people. But if 217 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: you're teaching a youth group and you're showing up to 218 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: appointments up until that day or up until the time time, 219 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, the week or so leading up to it, 220 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: how do you suddenly there is no such thing as snap, 221 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: as the uncle said Ken Belkin, There is no snap 222 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: under the law. Snapped is a name of a show 223 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: one Oxygen my TV home. It is not a valid 224 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: legal defense, No, it's not, but it can be mitigating. 225 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: It can get a first degree murder charge down to 226 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: a second degree murder charge potentially a mans order charge, 227 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: because they could say, look, he didn't intend to do this, 228 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: There was no premeditation, that this was something he was 229 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: acting under extreme stress and direst and something triggered him, 230 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: and this is the reaction that it triggered. You know. 231 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: Another issue, Karen Stark keeps mentioning that he was naked, 232 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: running naked, But what about this items of clothing white 233 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: T shirt, blue sweatpants, Nike shoes were located about an 234 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: hour from the family home. A search warn't obtained reveal 235 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: that the items were found a day after or the murders. 236 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: Did he get rid of the clothes because they were bloody? 237 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: What about that? That shows a certain degree of intent. Yeah, 238 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: Levi Page, investigative reporter with crime online dot Com. Were 239 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: those of clothes he was wearing during the murders? We 240 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: can presume that we also know, Nancy, that the rifle 241 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: that he used to shoot his victims was found in 242 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: a wooded area outside the home, and the sledgehammer that 243 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: he used to beat the dog to death was found 244 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: in the garage. The sledgehammer covered in blood. So he 245 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: didn't hide the murder weapons very well, but he did 246 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: hide them. That's the point. If he hid them at all, 247 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: that shows that he knew what he was doing was wrong. 248 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: That is a question for shrinks. But how to banarn 249 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: run from police to the extent he was able to 250 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: attack a church Grand hounsekeeper. Listen to our friend Brittany mcgrawls, 251 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: ten well, plain and simple State police say, this trooper 252 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: did what he was trained to do. You've seen these 253 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: images reportedly showing Matthew Bernard naked and running from police 254 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: through yards in a church parking lot while you see 255 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: this trooper here who trails behind him. Today's State police 256 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: shared why this was handled the way it was. They 257 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: say Matthew Bernard didn't have a weapon and was in 258 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: obvious mental distress. In those situations, state police say troopers 259 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: are trained to first try to de escalate the situation. 260 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: They're also trained to keep a safe distance from a 261 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: suspect to prevent that person from grabbing any weapons the 262 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: trooper has. They say the trooper did that and also 263 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: use pepper spray and a baton during the incident. The 264 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: trooper did what he was supposed to do, but not 265 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: allowing the suspect access to his rifle. That is the biggest, 266 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: biggest concern. I think this incident will be reviewed since 267 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: troopers had to use force to arrest Matthew Bernard. Crime 268 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Blake Bivens began this week full 269 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: of hope. A minor league baseball prospect, married to his 270 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: high school sweetheart, Emily, and proud father of a fourteen 271 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: month old son Culin that's Emily's mother Joan in a 272 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: family photo spanning three generations, But on Tuesday in southern Virginia, 273 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: all three were found murdered allegedly by Emily's brother, who 274 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: relatives say was battling mental health issues. In his deepest grief, 275 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: Bivens last night posted this, my heart was turned to ash. 276 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: My life as I knew it is destroyed. The pain 277 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: my family and I feel is unbearable. I shake and 278 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: tremble at the thought of our future without them. In 279 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 1: a tribute to his wife, Bivens wrote, your love and 280 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: kindness changed countless lives, and to his son, I can't 281 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: breathe without you here. I finally understood what love was 282 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: when you were born, and I would have done anything 283 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: for you. Bivens minor league club, the Montgomery Biscuits, canceled 284 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: their games this week as investigators who met with Bivins 285 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: scramble to figure out why. Bivins ends his note, I'm 286 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: not sure what is next for me, but I do 287 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: know God has a plan, even though I can't see it. Wow. 288 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: What unshakable faith you're hearing, CBS News reporter Jamie Ucas 289 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: talking about the murders right now, more questions than answers. 290 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: A young teen charged with him murdering his own mother, 291 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: his own sister, his own baby nephew just fourteen months old. 292 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: His sister Emily, the wife of Tampa Bay Ray's pitching prospect. 293 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: Police now revealing he injured his own head by hitting 294 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: it against the police cruiser cage after they caught him 295 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: on a naked foot chase. Now take a listen to 296 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: what we learn from his uncle. This is WLS ten 297 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: News Shane Dwyer, Matthew Bernard's uncle we spoke with earlier 298 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: today as this was all going down in Pittsylvania County. 299 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: They were a little bit of a distance back away 300 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: from the house. That's when he says he saw his 301 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: nephew get taken away in a line of police cars. 302 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: As that line of police cars was going by, he 303 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: locked eyes with his nephew through the cruiser window. He 304 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: says that the eyes of that person that he saw 305 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: in the backseat of that cruiser were not the eyes 306 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: of the nephew that he knows, and he just did 307 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: not understand what was going on. That was his body, 308 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: But he says, as he looked at them, that was 309 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: not his nephew that was in the back of the car. 310 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: He does not know what kind of headspace he was 311 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: in this evening, So it is completely understandable to imagine 312 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: all the grief that this family is going through, not 313 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: only with the devastating loss of their family members, but 314 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: not understanding how something like this can happen. I don't 315 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: understand it either, or because the teen suspect, Matthew Bernard, 316 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: was a student at Danville Community College, no problems, regularly 317 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: attended church, he even taught youth groups, and then suddenly 318 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: he commits mass murder to Leavipage Crime online dot Com 319 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: investigative reporter, had he dropped out of school or was 320 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: he still in classes? He was still a student, and 321 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: apparently a good student and a regular in church. This 322 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: entire family was a regular in church, Nancy. So it 323 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he had a bad childhood either. It 324 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: seemed like he was brought up in a very wholesome, carrying, close, 325 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: tight knit family. I'm just wondering. Could drugs account for 326 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,479 Speaker 1: this too, Doctor Karen starts psychologists joining us. That's a possibility, Nancy, 327 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: But I suspect that really it has to do more 328 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: with joe littleness. I think that he Look, you can 329 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: really be high functioning, go to classes and do all 330 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: of that, but something was going on and I don't 331 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: think that the family was paying attention to what was 332 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: happening with this guy. He saw a demon. That's not 333 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: your everyday wake up and say I had a nightmare. 334 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: I want to go to doctor Michelle Dupree, South Carolina 335 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: medical examiner and author of homocide Investigation Feel guide, Doctor Dupree, 336 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: based on what you know of the injuries the three 337 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: victims sustain the three human victims, Joan Bernard, Emily Bivens, 338 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: and Culin Bivins, the baby. Did they die instantly or 339 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: did they understand what was happening? Did they suffer? They 340 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: probably did suffer a little bit. I don't believe that 341 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: this was instantaneous. No, I don't think it was instantaneous. 342 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: It just it's overwhelming to be what this family has 343 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: gone through now. A relative has stated that the purp 344 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: Matthew Bernard, had been struggling with mental illness. A much 345 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: shot was made public by the county's Sheriff's office, and 346 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: Bernard's dressed in an orange jumpsuit. His head, both his ears, 347 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: and part of his throat in the photo are covered 348 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: in gauze bandages. There are scratches on his forehead. How 349 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: did that happen to leave my page. Crime online dot 350 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, Well, Nancy, the media had set up 351 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: a staging area and as they were setting it up, 352 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: and this was actually caught on footage. This guy was 353 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: in the woods and he ran out of the woods 354 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: buttneckad just a mapped in this spectacle and he was running. 355 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: He was running through the woods. The police had a 356 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: confrontation with him, he was sprayed with mace. They got there, 357 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: betimes out still could not subdue him. Canines were dispatched. 358 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's fitting because he killed a dog, 359 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: the family dog, beat it to death with a sledgehammer. 360 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: And he went to a church and actually attacked you know, 361 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: a worker there that takes care of you know, the grounds, 362 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: the church grounds. He attacked that and then the dogs 363 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: actually subdue him so the police can arrest him, which 364 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: is quite fitting. Well, we also know that apparently he 365 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: banged his head against the cage inside the police vehicle 366 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, he was then taken to the 367 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: emergency room, later transferred to an area hospital. He was 368 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: treated and released, so they were not serious injuries. He's 369 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: not facing three counts the first degree murderer use of 370 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: a firearm during a felony. That is how we first 371 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: learned that he shot all of his victims. The motive 372 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: still unclear. More questions than answers right now. Take a 373 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 1: listen to our friends over at WSLS ten. This is 374 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: News reporter Shane Dwyer. Matthew Bernard appeared in court this 375 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: morning wearing a green jacket with handcuffs around his wrists, 376 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: shackles around his ankles, and multiple Sheriff's deputies surrounding him. 377 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: This arrayment had been delayed multiple times before it finally 378 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: happened today. It didn't last very long, only a few minutes, 379 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: and Bernard only offered the words yes, sir to the 380 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: judge each time he asked him a direct question. Now 381 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: that his lawyer is asking for a mental examination to 382 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: see if Bernard is fit to stand for trial, and 383 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: the Commonwealth did not object to that. Crime stories with 384 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, the Sheriff's office is not releasing a whole 385 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: lot right now, citing the ongoing investigation. We did learn today, however, 386 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: that Sheriff's deputies and members of the Department of Game 387 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: and Inland Fisheries were back out on Keeling Drive this afternoon, 388 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: where this incident took place yesterday. They were looking for 389 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: information or evidence. I should say that they may have 390 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: missed yesterday. Nineteen year old Matthew Bernard is charged with 391 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: killing his mother Joan Bernard's sister Emily Vivens, and sisters 392 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: one year old boy Colin yesterday morning. Bernard was eventually 393 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: captured naked shortly after noon near his family's home where 394 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: the murders happened. We still don't know why he murdered them, 395 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: and neither does the sheriff's office. It's also unclear why 396 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: he was naked. According to Pennsylvannia County Sheriff Mike Taylor, 397 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: Matthew Bernard beat his head against the inside of the 398 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: patrol car after being arrested and had to be taken 399 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: to Roanoke for treatment. He was taken back to the 400 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: jail here in Pennsylvania County early this morning and is 401 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 1: now on suicide WI hearing our friends SLS ten reporter 402 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: Coulter Anstatt still we wonder at motive to leave I page, 403 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. At this point, has any motive been developed? No, Nancy. However, 404 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: law enforcement did say that the cell phone that was 405 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: discarded in the front yard may contain evidence regarding motive. 406 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: Maybe they can get into his phone, they got a 407 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: search warrant for it, and see what he was googling, 408 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: what he was looking up, what his Internet activity is, 409 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: and maybe they can look at that and then piece 410 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: together motive. To renowned attorney Ken Belkin joining us out 411 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: of New York criminal defense attorney Ken Belkin, there's a 412 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: big difference between incompetency to stand trial, insanity, mental defect. 413 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: So right now the questions are going to be, first 414 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: of all, is he competent to stand trial? Which basically 415 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: means do you have the wherewithal to help your lawyer? 416 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: That's what incompetence competence means in this setting, the defense 417 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: may very well be insanity. Explain the difference between incompetency 418 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: and insanity, Ken Well, The difference is simple. Incompetency is 419 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: really a free trial issue. And what they're going to 420 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: look at is does this guy understand the nature of 421 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: the proceedings against him, the potential consequences he might face, 422 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: and can he render meaningful assistance to his defense counsel 423 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: in proffering a defense in this case? Now to pre 424 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: trial concerned and if that's the case. If he is 425 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: deemed incompetent, they will have to try and bring him 426 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: into competency. You will have to receive mental health treatment 427 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: so that he can go forward and knowingly and intelligently 428 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: assist in his defense. Now, as for insanity, that is 429 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: the defense, that is the ultimate issue in the case. 430 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: And to prove to proper an insanity defense, what you 431 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: have to do is establish that at the time of 432 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: the incident that this person did not know that his 433 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: actions were wrongful by cause of mental defect or disease. 434 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: According to w SETTV, they have found a criminal complaint 435 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: from a neighbor of Bernard, who tells police that before 436 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: she heard the gunshots coming from the victim's home, the 437 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: suspect came to her home and punched her in the yard. 438 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: She also reports that she found the body of Jane 439 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: Bernard to grandmother in the driveway of the home. It 440 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: sounds like he went on a killing spree. So what 441 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: does that tell ye, doctor Michelle Dupree if one body 442 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: was out in the driveway. As far as how the 443 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: murders went down, Nancy, the fact the one being in 444 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: the driveway, somebody would have heard this farsh whether it 445 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: was a person in the driveway or whether it was 446 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: victims in the house, the other people would have heard 447 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: all of this coming on. And it also tells me 448 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: they weren't all killed at the same time, because apparently 449 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: the grandmother, John Bernard, must have been running from the 450 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: home when she was murdered in the driveway, So they 451 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: weren't all three killed at once exactly. And again that's 452 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: just going to instill fear and the rest of those 453 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: who heard all of it. I'm just trying to think 454 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: this through regarding any potential motive, and again leave a page. 455 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: Still no idea about motive. Nancy. I'm just reading some 456 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: search warrants from his cell phone, and I just found 457 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: out that state police investigator, and I'm reading from a 458 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: search warrant, has searched social media sites and discovered a 459 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: post from Matthew Bernard indicating that he was going through 460 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: a divorce and to quote, never underestimate a Bernard, So 461 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: he was going through a divorce at the time of 462 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: that these killings happened, It says State Police investigator Matthew 463 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: Wade has searched social media sites and discovered a post 464 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: from Matthew Bernard, indicating he was going through a divorce 465 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: and to quote, never underestimate a Bernard. He made a 466 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: post on social media with that caption. You know, I 467 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: find that really hard to believe Leavi page, because this 468 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: is a team that lives in this home. But court 469 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: documents may very well reveal possible motive in a triple 470 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: homicide last month, triple homicide in Pennsylmania County. The team 471 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: charging the murders of his mother, sister, and nephew has 472 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: just been in court for an arrayment. He's officially charged 473 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: with three counts of first degree murder and three counts 474 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: of use of a firearm during commission of a felony. 475 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: But according to court documents, his cell phone may contain 476 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: information identifying a motive. I'm looking at the affidavits right 477 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: now and that's exactly what it says. Information in the 478 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: phone may contain information identifying a motive for the shootings. 479 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: At the time he was apprehended, he was naked and 480 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: not possession in possession of his phone. We have now 481 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: found out it was in the front yard, of course. 482 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: Matthew Bernard arrested after sheriff's worn of a dangerous gunman 483 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: on the loose upon finding the bodies of Joan Bernard, 484 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: Colin Bivens, a baby, and the mom, Emily Bivens, all 485 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: this going down around seven thirty in the morning. To 486 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: John Cardillo, former NYPD, you know, multiple murders typically do 487 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: not happen first thing in the morning. Do you agree 488 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: or disagree? No? I agree. Look, well, murders could have 489 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: been any time of day. But everything about this case 490 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: is atypical, from the fact that the family seems really 491 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: well adjusted, church going, clearly nurturing. If one of the 492 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: sons or why should say son in law is making 493 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: it to the major leagues, but clearly the wife is 494 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: going to gravitate toward a good guy because she had 495 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: a good upbringing. Nothing about the case makes sense. We 496 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: heard from the uncle they have law enforcement members in 497 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: their family. Then see, I'm with you, Nancy, and that 498 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm not entirely convinced that this guy wasn't in a 499 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: solid frame of mind. It looks to me like he 500 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: did hide clothing. Again, just running on gut feeling. Here, 501 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: the way I would approach the investigation. He hid clothing, 502 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: he had very unusual to me is that he did 503 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: the dog in a different way than he killed the people. 504 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: So there was something else at work here, But there 505 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: was there was a very cognitive way in which he 506 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: went about murdering these people. And he used by all accounts, 507 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: to thirty thirty rifle, the typical old school lep action 508 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: dear rifle typically chambered in that cartridge. Very powerful, right, 509 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: it's made to take down good size game. To shoot 510 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: a fourteen month old with that rifle, it's a whole 511 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: another level of complexity to this case. You know, you're right. 512 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: They did find Authorities found a white T shirt, blue sweatpants, 513 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: Nike shoes one mile from the Bernard's home where the 514 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: murders took place, and they were hidden in a wooded area. 515 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: They were found the next day. We've learned from police 516 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: AffA Davis, the clothing did appear to have red stains 517 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: and what they believe were particles of human tissue on 518 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: the clothes. To me, getting rid of the bloody clothes 519 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: shows intent that you knew what you did was wrong. 520 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: We also know that they are looking at digital data 521 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: contained within the cell phone, including voicemails, call history, electronic messages, 522 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: social media activity, the historical cell phone location data. What 523 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: more do we know? Videos, pictures, call Watt's text messages, 524 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: browser information, digital storage. All that information may lead to 525 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: a motive and Levi was right. State investigators have searched 526 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: social media sites and found posts from Bernard indicating he 527 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: was going through a divorce. It shows him holding his nephew. Now, 528 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: what is he talking about going through a divorce right now? 529 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: Trying to make sense of it all to Ken Balkan 530 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: New York criminal defense attorney, do you believe that he 531 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: can be found mentally fit to stand trial just as 532 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: to incompetence. Well, it's going to be an issue for 533 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: the judge and they're going to have to figure out 534 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: does this guy understand the proceeding? Can you under meaningful 535 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: assistance to his counsel during the proceeding? And the question is, 536 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: at this early stage, no one really knows, except for 537 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: his defense counsel, who has probably been having very significant 538 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: sessions with The more interesting question is whether or not 539 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: they can successfully proper an insanity defense in my opinion, 540 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: because this set of fact seems to lend itself more 541 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: to that sort of theory than any other set of 542 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: fact I've seen recently. You know, this guy was a 543 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: seemingly upstanding citizen, murdered three members of his family and 544 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: a dog, and is running around naked, and had reported 545 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: hearing voices prior to this. He probably does suffer from 546 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,959 Speaker 1: some sort of severe mental illness, and it's well known 547 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: that the onset of schizophrenia is usually late seams for 548 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: alas one, we wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace Crime 549 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: Story signing off goodbye friend,