WEBVTT - The Deal with Devin 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.840 This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:04.680 with iHeartRadio. 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:09.200 Hey guys, welcome to the Almost smous podcast. Today Ben 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.000 and I are getting together to talk about some shocking 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:17.440 news that hit the internet yesterday. Devin has some serious 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.240 legal issues in his past. 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.159 It's uh, there's a lot to break down here. So 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:28.120 this is a breaking news Almost Famous podcast. We're gonna 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.800 start doing these more because it just feels like these 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.480 some of this stuff can't wait till like next week's headlines, 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.360 and today is definitely one of those days, according to 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.720 Reality Steve. Reported by Reality Steve and then broken down 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.080 at little further by Bachelor Data. That's where I'm getting 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:45.400 a lot of my information from. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.199 But also now an article with Hollywood Reporter, which we 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.400 know is like a very legitimate entertainment news source. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.000 Yeah, it's just kind of coming across the airways. But 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:56.880 Reality Steve is we have to give him credit for 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:58.400 being the original one to break this. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:02.280 Because the girl she's set in him the info right, 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.080 the ex girlfriend who he has the restraint that she 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.240 has a restraining order against Devon. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.640 It's a pretty wild story. So here is the story. 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:12.959 Devin who ended up with Jen at the end, and 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.880 then obviously had his moment on Life television that didn't 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:17.399 go well for him, and then tried to post a 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.000 thirteen many video that didn't go well for him. Has 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.760 now had more news come out here as of the 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.399 last twenty four hours that is also not going well 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.520 for him. And there's a lot of people involved in 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:31.679 this actually that we need to talk about that it's 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.240 not going to go well for But here's the headline. 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:39.680 Bachelorette star Devin X had a restraining order against him 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:47.400 in twenty seventeen. This took place in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.920 So it happened back in the college years. Twenty was twenteen, 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:54.160 it's twenty one, okay, So while having a restraining order 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:58.040 out on him, he still came to her door, banged 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.080 on the door several times, starts screaming at her, and 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.080 then later that evening made a fire out in the 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:10.560 street outside of her apartment complex and apparently made the fire, 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:16.400 was lighting the actual restraining order on fire. She also 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:20.600 had her tire flattened and when it was being changed, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.600 you know, when like TRIPLEA came to change or whatever, 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.240 Devon came outside and began laughing at her in like 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:30.480 an obnoxious way. Ultimately, he pled guilty to charges of 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:36.200 criminal trespass and simple criminal damage to property of less 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:42.320 than five hundred dollars. He received one year of unsupervised 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.320 probation because of this. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:51.320 Like what, like, let's take a pause there, just for 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:56.799 everybody to process the information they just received. So Devin, 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.359 there's three three I think we should break this down. 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:07.280 The first, let's talk about Devon and obviously these actions 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:14.480 are so bad and at some level even hard to process, 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.840 just that he did all of. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.359 This, but he did this after the restraining order was 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.400 put on it. Like, what did he do to get 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.440 the restraining on to you? 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.080 If we knew what he did? 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:28.000 We know. 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.160 So here's my first way breaking this down. I don't 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.760 think any of us, anybody out there listening, needs us 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.160 to go into just how terrible these acts are, because 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:40.280 I think that's obvious. He had a restraining order against them, 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.560 broke the restraining order, and then decided to vandalize and 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:49.880 torment this poor woman to a place where obviously there 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:55.120 was more law involved. But let's stop for a second 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.080 outside of that the obvious, and say, why did Devin 0:03:58.080 --> 0:03:59.000 go on the show. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.680 After knowing that this was out there about him, and 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.280 then this could easily come out in public knowledge. 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.840 That's my first thought, And maybe that's an incorrect way 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:08.680 to think of it, but I'm thinking, all right, dude, 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.560 you obviously have a past that you shouldn't not be 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:18.719 opening up millions of people to learn about. So let's 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:20.719 before we talk about how he got on the show, 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:22.599 let's talk about his decision to say, yeah, you know what, 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:23.680 I'm going to go on this show. 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:27.120 Yeah, well, I mean, it's just weird. It's just also 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:32.120 proves that he was really hungry for some attention, so 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.160 hungry for attention that he perhaps didn't mind this coming 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.800 out about him. Okay, so that he, like I want 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.200 to feel, I feel like he like swindled her into love. 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:47.359 Now, yeah, Like originally, if I'm honest, my thought was 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.720 he did love her. Maybe he did still, I don't know, 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.760 but he was very into her, and that he wanted 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:54.760 this to work and it didn't work, and he just 0:04:54.839 --> 0:05:00.880 handled everything past it not working very poorly from a 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:05.680 respect perspective, from an adult perspective, from showing any type 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.960 of maturity, he handled those things poorly. That was how 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.520 I thought of this whole thing was he loved her, 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.320 it didn't work out, and then he handled everything afterwards 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:20.880 like a child. Now, with this news coming out and 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:25.839 also his thirteen minute video, my perspective has changed to 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:35.160 be he played her this whole time. And I'll add 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.599 in this which will probably not be received well, the 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.279 group of men on this season were so bad that 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:42.760 he somehow came out on top. 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:49.160 Yeah, and especially after seeing the Golden Bachelorette and this 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:50.640 group of amazing. 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:54.040 We can't compare the two. Those two cannot even be compared, Like, 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.880 they can't even They're two totally different categories. 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.360 There's gotta be they have the capability of finding great people, right, 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:03.280 the young man. 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:07.080 He's a great man. Your husband's a great man. Look 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:07.440 at him. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.520 They found him, they found you, They found a lot 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.159 of great people. But like, what is it casting that 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.640 sucks or or do is this generation which is a 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:22.320 decade younger? Now? A decade has passed since you and 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.720 Jared were casted cast Sorry. 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:32.040 Maybe Devins six years younger than me? That only six 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:32.560 years younger. 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.200 That's not really generational, is it. 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:40.360 No, he's six years younger men? Yeah, Okay, so that's 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:47.080 the first thoughts here this no matter what generation, Let's 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.200 be clear, no matter what generation, what time, what era, 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:57.040 how far we go along this this back, the backing 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.680 of what's happened in Devon's life is never should never 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.720 be on the show, right, Like this is not a 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.719 new generational thing where it's like, yeah, you know what, 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.160 the new generation just really likes to vandalize cars and 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.520 break into their ex's houses and have restraining orders put 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.520 out against them and break those restraining orders. Like that's 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:18.080 never going to be okay. So the fact that he 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.040 even ended up on the show as wild to me. 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.200 So that's a transition into talking about how he got 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.400 on the show. Yeah, Ashley, you've been on this show. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.680 I've been on this show. The amount of effort put 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:34.800 into learning about my past and knowing whatever diseases I 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.360 carried or did it carry, and all the blood work 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:43.840 done and all of the investigation done into my history, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.040 they knew everything about me. 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:51.280 Yeah, they do a full background check, full psychological checkup 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:55.520 exam and then yeah physical exam. So insane that this 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.040 would have fallen through the cracks. The restraining order was 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.040 later sealed. It was sealed that I guess that means 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.640 like the X was like, Okay, I'm over it. Whatever 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.400 you can pretend it never happened. I don't know. That's 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:11.200 pretty generous after what he did. Then it says, but 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:16.080 the burglary for the arrest AFFI David, that is still 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.640 in the public public record, so they would have been 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.320 able to find that the bachelor, whoever the heck does 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.600 the background checks, so they would have found that he 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:28.320 had a burglary arrest. And if you look into the 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.560 burglary arrest, it discusses the restraining order, so it really 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.240 is public record, like all of it. 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.680 If Reality Steve can find this, and how much time 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.560 it took him, I know, and Reality Steve obviously got 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.400 tipped off, so he knew he was invested, like well, 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:48.200 looking into something that was existing because of his ex 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.360 or whoever that tipped him off on this. But if 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.320 he can find it, the show can find it with 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.880 all the resources and the tools that they have available. 0:08:55.640 --> 0:09:01.319 So let's talk about this for a second. I I 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:05.400 have a hard time imagining. In fact, I would go 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.840 as far as saying it's just not possible that the 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:13.600 show did not know of this record. 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.920 I think that I've a were a guess. I think 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.440 that they saw the burglary hster, which should have been 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.880 enough to be like, oh, we can't cast this guy. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.040 I just think that they probably didn't look into the 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.680 paperwork that said that it had to do with, like 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.719 with the rest training order had been present as well. 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.880 But how Ashley, So what you just said was they 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.160 saw a burglary area, which I'm saying it's. 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.160 Still nuts that they would have been like, Okay, you're 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:41.040 still allowed. 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.000 On, and that they would allow Jin to end up 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:44.400 with him. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:45.040 Yeah. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.319 I like that they wouldn't at some point say hey Jen, yea, 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.920 by the way, like this Devin dude, Like I know 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.280 you're into him and he's into you and all this stuff. 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.240 I mean they've done that. They did this for me 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.600 where they're like but like I don't know if she 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:03.960 is right for you, Like you need to ask yourself 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:04.480 that question. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.640 They could have twisted the story around like Top four. 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.440 Like how did they let this go through? And for 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:18.000 Jen to enter into this blind to his past. The 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.160 one thing that I always had trust on as a 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:25.280 lead was that the show had my back one and 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.080 I still believe they did. And I still believe they 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.560 do even though I questioned that at times, but they 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.560 still have my back and that all of the people 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.079 that were there that were showing up that they had 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.280 checked on like that. I was, you know, like, yes, 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.680 I needed to learn as much about them as possible. Yes, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.760 I need to ask every question that was available to 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:47.959 me in the time that we had to try to 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:49.880 understand and learn who they were as people to see 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:54.120 if we were a match together. I never once questioned 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.000 if I had asked, Hey, have you ever been arrested 0:10:56.040 --> 0:11:02.120 and if so for what, Hey, which you know outside 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.800 of everything else, Like have you spent any jail time? 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.119 Like that was never even a thought. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.520 So we have had people on the show that have 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.000 had DUIs. You know, I'd say a number. Now, what's 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.680 interesting about this legal issue is that this has to 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.160 do with dating. This has to do with a romantic 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.600 relationship in which this guy went crazy. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.640 Let me be clear, Mistakes happen, and you learn from 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:31.080 those mistakes, and I'm hoping there's some grace there to say, Hey, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.760 what happened, tell us more about this. We saw this 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.240 on your record, We saw this when we were like 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.760 doing the background check. Tell me a little bit more 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.080 so to help me understand like what you've learned from 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.640 that and how you've grown from that and who you 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.760 are today. The show knows enough about you to know 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.679 if you've actually grown from this or not. I'm not 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.679 saying that you know, mistakes don't happen. They do. And 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:56.880 I'm not saying that people that have made mistakes and 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.840 grown from those mistakes should not end up on the show. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.400 I mean, look at Zach Clark for example, right, I mean, 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.679 the dude there's a great example of somebody has a 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.240 really bad and hard pass and has said, hey, I 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:11.600 need to learn from this, I need to grow from this, 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.400 and I'm gonna help others do that. Zak Clark should 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:17.640 one hundred percent beyond the show. He is a representative 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:22.520 of how we transform as humans. However, Devin and I 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.560 would I mean, I would say I would love to 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.720 find a way that he's represented growth, But nothing about 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.520 his behavior from the time of the breakup with Jin 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.760 to now has shown that he's grown from this. The 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:39.440 show knew that they know him. So how does he 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:40.640 get through the cracks here? 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.360 I have really no idea, Ashley. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:44.760 Can we go as far as to say that they 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:46.040 set gin up? 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.000 You think that that they were like they started this 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.120 season and they thought this guy is going to get 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:55.120 really far and we don't want a happy ending for her. 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.719 I actually don't think they ever expected Devin to get 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:59.480 as far as he did. I think I think if 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.640 we talked to them, they'd be like, yeah, we didn't 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:08.040 think that was go through. We've had some issues, you know, 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.160 as you know in the last few years where the 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:15.000 Bachelor's had controversy and you know, some were talked about 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.840 than others. We've had contestants go through controversy, some were 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.440 talked about than others. I don't know what to do 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.520 with this information other than say, we've said it before, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.920 and casting has had people come on where their background 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:32.720 has either been you know, had a racial you know, 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:38.400 racist bias to it. They have come out and there 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:43.440 has been you know, records reported post them on the 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:48.560 show that people have talked about this should not ever happen, 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:50.480 Like what is going on? 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:50.800 Right? 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:50.960 Like? 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.560 How is casting letting these people get through? This season 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.959 had and not all of them have been proven true, 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.720 but this season has had We won't mention names because 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:04.559 they have not been proven true. This season had multiple contestants. 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:08.640 In fact, I would say more than four who when 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:13.480 you look into their backstory, people are coming out fairly 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:17.840 valid sources saying this is this guy is not good news. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.480 So what happened this season with Jen we're casting? Either 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.760 just put turned a blind eye to any background check, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.440 or they didn't do them in general, or they were 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.400 negligent and just said, yeah, you know what, I see 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.840 the background check, but like you're good. 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.400 They have to like hurry through this casting or something. 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.720 Did they did the Golden Bachelor set them back? I mean, 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.560 I'm not I'm not even being sarcastic here. They really 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:47.640 had a full schedule and they were filming The Golden Bachelor. Yeah, 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.120 the Golden Bachelor. Sorry, if I s a bachelor the 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.200 Golden Bachelor around the time that like casting would have 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:54.480 taken place. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:57.520 So I don't know. 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.680 I mean there's somebody, there's one person that's like in 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.360 charge to background checks though, so that just doesn't make sense, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.040 like that that's their job, their sole job. I think. 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.480 Sure, this is also you guys just. 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.760 A throw in there. I'm reading this reality Steve article 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.200 more thoroughly. And yeah he had a DWI too. 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.440 Yeah, it's it's not he doesn't have a clean record. 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.600 If it. But if this now the standard, like what 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.960 is what is not allowed on the show? If this 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.000 is all out on the show, then what is you know, 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:26.920 what is not allowed? 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:27.880 Uh? 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:33.640 Typically, I don't love to force anybody's hand to speak, 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.480 because there's a lot of topics that people maybe just 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.400 don't aren't. I like people to talk and say stuff 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.400 publicly when they're in the know and when they're knowledgeable, 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.800 and when they're coming from a place that they actually have, 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.880 they feel like they have a genuine, genuine and authentic 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:58.040 word to share. 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.760 This is what a source close to production is telling 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:08.000 Entertainment Weekly. We take the safety of our contestants very seriously, 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.800 and we make every effort to conduct through diligence as 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.760 exhaustive as our vetting process. Is this projective order to 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.600 not service in our searches. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.720 Huh what do you what background checks are you doing? 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.840 Then reality Steve said that he like has this information 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.960 confirmed through Louisiana Police. 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.160 Yeah, third party that I want to talk about with Jen. 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.840 If I was Jin, I'd be fuming right now. Fuming 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:41.720 now granted, I'm I'm also you know, she's on Dance 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:46.760 with the Stars. I'm hoping she's you know, healed and 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:50.280 recovered and realizing that she dodged bullet here and that 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:51.760 she's like actually going to be in a really good 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:57.240 place and that you know, this breakup yes hard and tough, 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.320 and then the traumatizing moment of having to watch it 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.040 back on national television with him sitting next to her. 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.159 All that to be said. If I'm jin, I'm like 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:07.880 really mad. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:13.440 It's so mad. I don't even know how they can't 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.600 make it up to her, Like even this we didn't 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.560 sing with the stars, it doesn't make it up to her. 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.639 No. I mean again, okay, Jen, We'll make it up 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.920 to you by spending the next three months of your 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:25.880 life on a show for us as well. 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.320 I know. And it's like it's not like they could 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.320 be like we'll have you on Paradise and like, well 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:31.760 make sure that you find the love of your life. 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.880 It's like she's like, I'm not putting that trust into 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.919 you guys again, And I'm sorry. I just also want 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.359 to correct myself. It wasn't the police that reality. Steve 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.879 has it confirmed by He has spoken to a few 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.840 lawyers in Louisiana who, like obviously, can go into the 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.080 legal records of Louisiana and. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:53.200 Yeah, Ashley again, I have a This show has been 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.639 so good to me in so many ways, and I 0:17:55.960 --> 0:18:00.119 always want the show to be its best. Yeah, this 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:06.720 is a very This is just a really dark spot 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.240 and time for the show, and I hope that they 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.560 approach it. I hope this doesn't just like get pushed 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.280 under the rug and moved on from like other things 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.439 have happened, you know with the show. This for the 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:24.520 sake of our trust in the show as fans and 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:28.159 as viewers and as past contestants, like this is you know, 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.439 I take you know. I want to know that the 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:35.440 show does protect their leads and that the people on 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:40.479 the show are people who are ready for love and 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:45.879 also a good match for the lead. So the show 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:51.520 I hope takes this very serious and that this isn't 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.240 something they just say, yeah, you know what we want, Sorry, 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.040 we won't even confront it. I want to know what 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:03.480 they're doing where their background checks do pull up burglary, 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.240 vandalism and restraining orders. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.440 I also just want to say, like I'm gonna get 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:11.479 the benefit of the doubt and say that it truly 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.159 this is the issue with whoever is doing the background 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.879 checks I don't think that they let him on knowing this, 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.520 I really do That's that would be nutty and that 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.080 would make them look bad, and they don't want to 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:22.560 look bad. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.040 I don't know. Yeah, you're right. I mean I don't 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:26.440 know how to. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.639 Even like because they are had issues in the past 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:31.879 about like letting so and so on. Like remember Lincoln 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:36.119 from Becca season, he had some X that was like 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.639 this is like this guy's not good news, kind of 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.440 creepy whatever, And I just that was every time they 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:46.240 have like a casting issue, like where somebody has had 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.320 some sort of record, it always makes them like not 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:53.280 look that great and people make a big deal out 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.720 of out of course. And I just think that with this, 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:00.600 like this is like the heaviest of all issues that 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.600 I've heard of from the show, and I just don't 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.600 think that they would want to have anything to do 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.200 with it. So I just don't think it was got 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:09.440 That's shocking. 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.239 That's shocking to me. If reality Steve can find it, 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:15.199 I don't know how the show couldn't find it. 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:21.119 What if he gave him gave them wrong info, what 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.000 if he like gave it Bronx as a security number? 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.080 This No, like that would come up too, like this 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:28.480 is the number of so and so. 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.960 Yeah, I don't know. Ash, it's just not good. It's 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:37.920 not good, and I feel bad for jin as viewers. 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:42.600 I'm I'm on edge a little bit, like I don't 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:44.280 even know how to like really put words to it. 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.879 But it's it's that feeling of do I have to 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:53.520 now be not only watch the show and celebrate, criticize, 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:55.480 do all that stuff to all these contestants, but also 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.119 be a little concerned about their background story. If like 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:02.440 they're actually capable of entering into this relationship on national television, 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:09.919 that's that's a heavy lift one, you know, one that 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:12.480 I don't know how to answer. But it's just not good. 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:14.600 And I don't know how it slipped through the cracks, 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:16.840 and if it did, if we're going to give them 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:19.040 the benefit of the doubt, which I'm not ready to 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.800 necessarily do, because I just don't know how they were 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:24.640 so negligent in finding it. 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:28.760 Wouldn't it be even more negligent to put them on knowing? 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:31.760 That was My point is, like, I don't there's I 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.400 don't know, there's nothing good, Like there's no excuse here 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.879 outside of the failure maybe of the person doing the 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.800 background check and that person needing to be like asked 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:46.639 why and what happened. I just know that from my 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:52.200 time for me personally, they knew everything about me everything, 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.440 And I don't know how at this point in the 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.520 seasons of The Bachelor they don't contin you to know 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:03.960 everything about these contestants because, like you said, they don't 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.720 want this, this controversy is not good for this show. 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.080 Well, we should ask some contestants that have currently gone 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:14.040 through the whole process whether or not they like met 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.440 with that For us, we like met with somebody who 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:21.399