WEBVTT - The BroadCast | Going One-On-One With New Sixers Head Coach Doc Rivers 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.640 This podcast is part of the seventy Sixers podcast network 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:08.559 search seventy Sixers Podcast wherever you get your pods. When 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.080 it comes to someone like Doc Rivers, it's hard not 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:14.480 to have preconceived notions about the guy, and in this case, 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:19.960 that's a really good thing. He's universally respected, well liked, accomplished, 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.440 a great ambassador for the game. Then you meet him 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.120 and you find out real quick he is the real deal. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.600 I want to win. I've coached long enough. I want 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.960 a title. Once you win one, you need another one. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.720 Not for legacy. I can care less about that. Because 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.760 you need another one, you just one another. That's my drive, 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:40.559 That's what drives me, and that's what gets me up 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:42.879 in the morning. On the day the Doc was formally 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.640 introduced as the seventy sixers next head coach, we talked 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.199 about a lot from grub Yeah, I think I'm be 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.519 considered a foody to music. I'm a big Luther guy, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.760 and I'm a huge Daddy V guy. But mostly his 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.680 views on the team he's inheriting and his coaching philosophies 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:03.680 accountability the word I like using over all those cooperation 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:05.920 and when you get that buy in that's how you 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.160 do it. On this episode of the broadcast, we go 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:21.000 one on one with Doc Rivers. I am excited, really excited, pumped, stoked. 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.920 I want the season to start right now. Gosh darn it. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.399 Doc Rivers is the next head coach of the Philadelphia 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.840 seventy six ers, and I think the old hear over 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.039 the course of the next half hour. He's got a 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.560 great vision for the franchise and just seems like an 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:43.560 absolutely humble, grounded human being. And you can't have enough 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:47.039 of those people around. I'm Brian Seltzer. Thank you very 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.320 much for checking out this episode of the broadcast. Let 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:54.280 us get right to it. Doc Rivers was formally introduced 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.960 as the seventy six ers head coach in a virtual 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.840 press conference on Monday at the seventy six ers training 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.280 Plex and Camden, and by the time I sat down 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.920 with Doc later in the afternoon, he had already done 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.520 about two and a half hours worth of talking basketball, 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:13.880 whether in media interviews, his press conference with staff members executives, 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:18.760 so before he and I jumped into discussing hoops, his 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.880 coaching philosophies, his outlook for the seventy six ers, I 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.680 first wanted to ask him some icebreaker style get to 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.440 know you type questions. If you're not coaching the basketball 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.720 team or poring over your notes related to basketball, what 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:35.280 are you interested in? What are some of the things 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.960 you're trying to do well. If I'm not working, you know, 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:43.480 if it's the off season, I'm golfing for sure, or traveling. 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.320 I do like to travel, but I do travel to golf, 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.600 so it's all related it. It's funny. I'm not that 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.880 good of a golfer. I just love to play golf, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:57.519 So that would be my answer. Why do you love it? 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.480 It takes It's a great focus game. It is. I 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:04.560 played during the season if I can, you know. If 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.280 it's when I was in Boston, I had a hitting 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.720 studio in my house to it just you have to 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.280 focus to golf. And I thought it was great for 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.800 me to get my mind off from my job because 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.639 I do internalize my job, and so I think golf 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.080 is the one thing that I have finally found to 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.960 take my mind off of it, which I think is 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.960 very healthy. Have you ever golfed at any of the 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.079 courses around here. I've golfed at a lot of the 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.320 courses around here. Actually, it's it's been. It's really my 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:38.920 reputation of liking golf does not match up in my 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.640 ability to golf. And so when it was announced that 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.640 I was coming here, I got calls from people friends 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.680 that I've I've known here, or people from La connected 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.960 me to people here. I've played Pine Valley, I've played Marion, 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:59.320 I've played Manufacturers, I've played the Cricket Club. So yeah, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:03.480 I've I've played. What's your handicap? I don't. I don't 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.560 share my handicap. But it's good. It's it's it's it's 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.320 a good handicap, tremendous. I feel like. One of the 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.440 things I remember reading about when the articles came about 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.240 how the Clippers were able to get Kauhai, you were 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.159 at Nobu, and I wish that I could eat at 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.960 restaurants like Nobu on the regular. But that got me wondering. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.000 Are you into food? Do you like? Yeah? I think 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.640 I would be considered a foodie. Um, you know some 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.840 of my friends from Philly have already sent me a 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.200 list of restaurants. Um, yeah, I am a foodie. Do 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.640 you have any favorite types of food cuisines? You know 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.000 I love sushi in different types of sushi. I love 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:44.880 Spanish food. Actually, I love top Us Hyeah, and there's 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:49.919 no American that doesn't need great Italian restaurants. So I 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.560 got a feeling I'll do well here in that regard. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.599 Tell me about you, know, your your life with your family. 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.320 How much does family mean to you? Well, families of 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:02.080 the world. You know, um my ex and I have 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.680 still very good friends. I have four kids and they're 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.360 the world. I'm a grandfather two times over. And Austin 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:15.760 did his what is his ginger revealed thing yesterday and 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.520 now I'm gonna have another grandson. So I have two 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:24.440 grand boys, two grandsons, and one grand daughter. There is 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.920 parenting is awesome. I have four kids, three boys, one girl. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.000 The grand parenting is on another level. It is I 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:37.080 tell you, there's nothing better than winning a game or 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.039 even losing the game, and your daughter knowing that you're 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.520 really happy or sad and she can see you a 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:49.640 picture in your day changes. So that's been fantastic for me. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.760 Music or into music. You have music, Yeah, I don't 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.520 have a favorite or a gamer. You know, I grew 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.719 up I worked in a record store, a real record store. 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.320 You play forty five's and and albums, and you know, 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.120 every every time someone walked in, you had to put 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:07.960 the needle on and they had to listen to it 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.320 for fifteen seconds. Young people have no idea what I'm 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:15.719 talking about, but it was a great experience. Um and 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.039 and I love jazz, h I love everything. I'm a 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:23.320 big music guy. Every every game I play, I make 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.599 a song list. Uh, and I play it going to 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:28.800 every game. Really, can you give us us it? Maybe 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.599 a sampling some of the artists, who oh my god, 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:35.640 I'll go oh, because I'm a big Luther guy. Uh. 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.000 You know, it's funny. My players laugh at me because 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.560 I'll play slow music sometimes in on the floor and 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.760 they're like, we're going to sleep. I said, no, one's 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.279 getting you. It's getting you what it needs to get you, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.800 you know. So and I'm a huge Teddy pe guy. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.880 So uh, he's a filly guy. That's right, That's right. 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.719 So yeah, I'm a big music guy. You can never 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:00.119 go wrong with some Luther and Teddy Pendergrass in your life. 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.680 That is a fact. Doc and I then shifted our 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.839 chat to basketball and how in an amazingly swift and 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.240 dramatic turn of events, he ended up his head coach 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.080 of the seventy six ers after seven strong seasons with 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.320 the La Clippers. Do you feel like you're running on 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.160 oxygen right now if you had a task to catch 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.040 your breath over the last seven days. No, I haven't 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.080 caught my breath yet. You know, It's funny. I'm going 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.640 so fast right now that I don't sleep. You know, 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.200 it can't sleep because your mind's on. You know, we 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.200 got a lot of work to do, what we really do, 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:37.440 and I'm a worker, and so right now I just 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:39.720 feel like I have a lot to do, and so 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.320 I'm just gonna work through it and then get my wrists. Well, 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.000 what did you like viewing from the opposite sideline about 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:50.480 the seventy six their size, their versatility. I think this 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:56.680 team been what has been exactly? No one can tell you, Tobias, 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.920 you see a three or four, Joel, you can blame 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:01.560 at the five? Can you play with the four? Can 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:05.480 you go be again? You know it's skill set is 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.920 of a five and a four int a three? Josh? 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.239 What is he? You know? You go down the list 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.960 and they have a lot of guys that are to 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.400 me what I call ballers, and they don't really have 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:21.960 a position. I love position list teams, and so that's 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.520 that's the appeal for me, other than Joel is going 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.680 to be your five, you know, other than that everyone 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.320 else is in flux. Can you walk me through the 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.920 evolution of just kind of how things went like when 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.440 you got the first call from the seventy six ers, 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.280 when you heard from the just maybe thinking of this 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.840 as like a narration of how a viewer a listener 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.080 might hear the story of how this all came together. Yeah, 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.440 so I get a call, I get released from the Clippers, 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:52.880 right and within six hours my agent calls. Actually, when 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.439 I called my agent and tell him, he said, well, 0:08:55.640 --> 0:09:01.720 I have three teams that have express interest if this happens, 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.080 would you like me to call them? And I said 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:09.520 I'd rather take a day and just relax. And within 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.480 four hours he calls me back, Well, they've already called 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:14.480 and now they all want you to come down. And 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:18.679 I won't say the team's names, obviously, but I asked 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.760 if one of them was the seventy six ers and 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:22.600 he said yeah. I said, that's the one I want 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.920 to take. Um, I want to come down and talk 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.440 to them. They flew me down. I don't remember days, 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:35.800 within forty eight hours and we met and you know, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.760 within another twenty four hours. We agree. I mean it 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:43.800 was the quickest hiring firing hiring ever. So it's it's 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.360 all good. Let's focus on the hiring part. Why do 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.800 you think it came together that quickly? What were the factors? 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.640 I think there are a lot of good factors. One 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.600 I wanted it, and and two they wanted me. You know, 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.839 I think our discussion went great. You know, when I 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.560 was very coming here, I didn't come here begging. I 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.840 came here telling them what I saw, what I thought 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.400 needed to be done for us to have a chance, 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.480 and listen to what they saw. And I was very 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.640 honest with him, and I said, if you don't see 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.320 that vision, to be honest with me, because I don't 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.720 want to come somewhere where you have a different vision. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.079 I want to win. I have no I've coached long 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:30.360 enough and I've won a title, right and once you 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.520 win one, you need another one, just not for legacy. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.719 I can't care less about that because you need another one. 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.360 You just want another one. And that's my drive, that's 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.400 what drives me, that's what gets me up in the morning. 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:44.520 Can you maybe putt in the terms for the light 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.199 person what that feeling is like, like the itch, the 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.560 need to feel that experience again. The best feeling in 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.920 the world winning It's the hardest thing you'll ever do, 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:59.800 winning and the feeling of it is that not you 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.800 did it, we did it. And when you reach that, 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.400 there's no feeling in the world that that can copy. 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:12.600 Watching young men cry jump around emotion because they know 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:16.880 they did something extraordinary outside the box, and you want 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.280 you want to go through that again. How do you 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.600 make the wee happen? Oh gosh, you talk about it 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:28.679 every day. It's habits, you know, accountability every single day, discipline. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.280 The word I like using over all those is cooperation. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:41.400 When you have a group of players, ownership, staff, everyone 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.640 has to cooperate from the trainer down and that one can't. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.840 And when you get that buy in, that's how you 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.760 do it. You just mentioned accountability. I was also probably 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.840 very creepily lurking through your Twitter timeline and I saw 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.000 a retweet from the author John Gordon, who I actually 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.920 think that some of the employees with the seventy six 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.160 there's an HBSc. When we first got here. We have 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.480 to read some of these leadership books, and I think 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.800 we read the ones that you tweeted about. Is he 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:08.560 really Yeah? We go to dinner a lot, we share 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.560 thoughts a lot, Yeah, and he's got some really poignant 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.360 ones and ones about culture, about like the most important 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.240 part of your job as a leader is to drive 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.560 the culture. So it sounds like accountability is one thing. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:20.679 What are some of the other things that make up 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.760 the goods of culture? Consistency? You know, you need you 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.600 need that. You have to have consistent habits every day 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.240 to drive culture. And the biggest thing that I think 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:36.000 people miss is care. People like, why am I going 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.080 to buy into a culture that doesn't care for me? 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.560 And so you have to prove to them first. You 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.040 have to love them first before they're going to love 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.200 you back. And I think that's the most important part. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.520 Why did you realize that? I mean, is that something 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.040 that like when you were playing? Has that always been 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:54.959 a part of you or I wish I had have 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.760 known that as a player, I tell I think late 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.760 in my career playing for pat Riley and listening to 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.280 him talk, I always thought I had bought in. I 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.000 really did. As a player, I always thought, man, I'm 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.520 a player that had bought in, and then when you 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.920 played from pat Riley, he asked for more. Uh. And 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.400 when you buy into that, you realize you really never 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.280 bought in in the past. And once you do that, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.600 you understand what that looks like. Um, it sounds like 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.520 pat Riley's a name that you could put on a 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.160 list of people who have inspired you or influenced you. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.000 Who are some other people it could be within basketball 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.360 outside of parents. Obviously, my dad was a cop, you know, 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.920 uh in Chicago. You know, he was in the era 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.320 of community cops. You know. He was the basketball coach, 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:44.360 football coach, baseball coach. People would bring people by just 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.480 so he could sit and talk to him about life, 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.920 you know, he was. He was very important in the 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.440 community I grew in. UH. And my mom is was 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:56.320 my favorite. I mean she was very religious as similar 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:00.400 line worker, you know, but she had this thing him 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.800 both about no victims. You know, you're never going to 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.400 be a victim. I don't care what they did, just 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.079 keep keep it going. He was a big believer and 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.360 keep it moving. I could you couldn't. You just could 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.360 not come in and blame something in my household wasn't 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:19.560 gonna happen. It was your fault because it happened. Now 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.800 move on. That was my parents. But then I had 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.880 great coaching. I had Larry Brown as a coach, Mike 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.320 Ritzello as a coach, Rick Magaris and now McGuire. I'm 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:32.560 the luckiest player to play because I never I always 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.000 played for great coaching, and I think all that stuff 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:40.240 is what probably formed my thoughts and that have all 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:44.400 some of these influences inspire and inform docs visions for 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:48.240 the Sixers. Understandably, having just accepted the gig a few 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.720 days earlier and not having had a whole lot of 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.000 time to dive deep into personnel and film, he didn't 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.440 want to make any hard fast commitments when we spoke, 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.000 but he did have some initial thoughts, and we began 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.080 by looking at the franchises two Cornerstone All Stars Joel 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.240 Ebad and Ben Simmons, who last February when the Clippers 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.640 were in town, Doc likened to the lakers former Hall 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:13.240 of Fame tandem of Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Magic Johnson. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.120 I feel like I heard some people bring this up 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.720 with you already, about the comments you made about Ben 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:22.040 and Joel and the Magic and Kareem semi comparison. You know, 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.680 I did it for because it was more about who 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:31.160 they are as as as far as personality, Like I thought, 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:35.160 imagine Kareem. You couldn't pick two more different human beings. 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:41.520 Kareem rarely spoke, you know, very quiet, very analytical player 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:45.920 in some ways, did not want to play fast break, 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.360 wanted to walk the ball up the floor, wanted you 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.280 to wait for him and then got down you throw 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.800 it to him. And then you have Magic who wanted 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.360 to fly down the floor, who had personality and joy 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.840 and smile and wanted to play at a fast pace 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.320 through behind the backback. I mean they were You couldn't 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.760 have had two more opposite players that fit perfect. And 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.120 that's the point. That's why I made it. Yuh oh, No, 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:12.120 you can be completely opposite games and you could absolutely fit. 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.400 And that was that was what I was the point 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.480 I was trying to make it, and I'll admit it. Two. 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.840 When I was listening to the introductory press conference, you 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:20.880 have like I didn't think of Ben and Joel in 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:22.800 terms of all when they played together they win sixty 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.120 five percent of their games. I mean, maybe sometimes it's 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.520 just that simple Obviously there's a lot of more layers 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.600 to it, but it's that simple in some ways, like 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.680 we we we we started dissecting these guys to the 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:37.200 point where we forget what they do. Great. You have 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.880 two guys that whenever they play together when sixty five 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.320 percent of the games and all you hear about is 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.040 what they don't do. Uh, And that's insane to me. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.440 You can score one hundred and thirty five points in 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.920 the game and all you hear about is that Ben 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.200 didn't take a three. I thought that the idea was 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.800 to score a lot of points as a team, and 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.160 I didn't know that they were style points. You know 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.679 that if certain this guy had this many points. I 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.080 don't care how we score. I just know we need 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.800 to and so that's my focus with this team. You 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.120 and Joel went to Basketball Without Borders together a few 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.880 years ago. How did you guys? What was that? Basketball 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:21.080 without pas out borders is something every person that is 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.080 involved in NBA needs to find time to do. It 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:31.200 was life changing. It's amazing to go watching Joel over 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.800 there and just all the African born players over there. Uh. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.199 That part was amazing, the love that they get. But 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:43.960 more important importantly, it's this country that wants to find 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:48.080 their way through basketball. It was it was really powerful. 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.879 I actually ran a play by Joel. You know, my 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.240 brain is on a lot too much, as my coaches 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.359 would say, and I was watching these kids play and 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.679 I saw somebody do something. I grab Joel say, hey, 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:03.600 I want to try something out. I want to what 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.360 do you think if we did this in a game. 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.520 He started looking at me laughing, and that was really 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.119 my first time meeting him. That's gonna be the craziest 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:13.680 thing as a head coach, because you have to think, 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:15.119 even if you're on the other side, well, what if 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.400 I ever got a chance to work with this guy? Right, 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.240 you think it all the time. What if I get 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.639 a chance to coach this guy? Or even that you 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.760 just see, men, this guy can do this. You know 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.040 what if he did this? You know it never turns off. 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.760 How much have you even been able to start to 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:37.040 think about stylistic things on the court, offensively, defensively and 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.800 what you see a lot? You know I have because 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.720 I had to think about taking the job. But that's 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.600 where it stops. So I've watched a little film. I 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.200 will admit to that probably the only one is watching 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:53.119 film right now. But other than that, I'm not sure 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:57.320 yet how we're gonna play. I just know I have 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:03.320 goal now that offensive defensive goals. I think we're nineteenth 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.800 in offense last year. We can't be that, and when 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:08.560 I think, we have to be in the top seven 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:11.760 and how we get there is what we have to 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.120 do next. Just as I'm curious when you watch film 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:15.800 do you look at Are you a good tape guy? 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.000 Do you like to watch good tape bad taper? Stuff 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:19.919 in between? Well, in golf, I like to watch my 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:24.359 bad swings. In basketball, I'd like to watch both. I 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.879 love watching good in basketball because it shows me what 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:32.919 they're capable of, but bad because it shows me their habits, tobias. 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.880 You referenced him earlier. What do you think worked when 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.840 he was in LA with you guys? He put up 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.159 some terrific numbers. I gave freedom number one. I'm a 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:45.080 big believer in freedom, because with freedom comes from actually more. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.080 You're more accountable to your teammates. If I'm going to 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.960 give you the freedom, then you can't lose that by 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.080 taking bad shots and playing the wrong way. I think 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.919 I also, I thought I really got him to unsaid 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:03.200 who he was what he was, and once he bought 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:05.720 into that, it was easy for him to play free 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.159 because he knew his shots, his way, and we allowed 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.280 him to do it. Have you it sounds like you've 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:13.560 kept in touch with him a little bit, but have 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.359 you followed what he's been doing off the court since 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.200 he left you guys, Not to suggest that he didn't 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.000 do it in previous stops, but at least here with us, 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.400 we've seen front and center how he's really taken leadership 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.840 by the horn. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I didn't 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:28.760 know if he was a leader or not because we 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.280 had such a transient team. I guess it would be 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.360 the best way because people were going in and out 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.800 of the door. But I know he wanted to be, 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.480 and so that's the start. I'd love to hear that 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:46.240 another leader within the seventy sixers organization, Elton brand and 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.879 hiring Doc Rivers marked the culmination of his first coaching search. 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:52.920 It's hard to argue with the outcome as Brandon the 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.560 Sixers were able to land the second winningest active head 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.760 coach in the NBA. Brandon Rivers cross paths a handful 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.600 of time times as players and coach, respectively on opposite sidelines, 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:08.120 but now they're together, entering into a pivotal partnership. Something 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.280 I spoke to Elton about was he said to me, 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.479 I'm probably gonna butcher this story, but he remembered when 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.280 he was playing at some point during his career, like 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:17.920 he was passing by you on the sideline and you said, 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.520 like lighting up, or like have some fun or something 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.280 like that. Um, tell me in your words, what relationship 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:24.880 did you get them up? A relationship with Alton when 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.800 I don't know Elton well until you know, we're getting 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:29.720 to know each other. But that's a true story of 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:32.679 watching them on the floor, and he just looked so mad. 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:34.639 And you know, it was late in my career and 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:36.439 I was just starting to coach, and I was like, 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:40.000 enjoy it, man, that I it's a great game. I 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:41.919 do think we lose light of that. You know, I 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:47.360 see our players now not having fun. I gotta tell you, 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:52.639 competing as a player, there's there's nothing better. There's nothing 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:58.560 better than a hard, just nasty, fought out game of competition. 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:00.520 I don't even call it basketball. I call it a 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.880 game of competition. And um, you know, to the victors 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.560 goes to spoils and and if you know that while 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:10.040