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Speaker 4: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to this Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 4: We got another legend basketball royalty here today. Another one
Speaker 4: of the Grace tenth pick in ninety eight NBA Draft,
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight NBA Champion and Finals MVP, ten
Speaker 4: time All Star, one time All NBA Second Team, three
Speaker 4: times All NBA Third Team, a member of the NBA
Speaker 4: seventy fifth Anniversary team. His number thirty four is retired
Speaker 4: by We don't really want to talk.
Speaker 5: About this team because they just beat us really bad.
Speaker 4: But talking about none other than the Boston Celtics man
Speaker 4: with the nickname the Truth, Paul Pierce.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the Draymond Green Shows.
Speaker 1: What's up? What's up?
Speaker 6: Dre Hey, hold on, before we get started, I gotta
Speaker 6: address your viral shit talking first off, because you just
Speaker 6: said Joe's side of it and I ain't had a
Speaker 6: chance to save my side of it yet and so
Speaker 6: I'm gonna start off with that first of all, the
Speaker 6: ship where.
Speaker 1: You was like, you don't want no farewell tour.
Speaker 6: You thought you was Kobe, all right, So let me
Speaker 6: go to my side of the story. Now, the Golden
Speaker 6: State Warriors were starting the beginning of the height of
Speaker 6: their superpowers, and Draymond had the hide of his superpowers,
Speaker 6: was one of the more intimidating players and top defensive
Speaker 6: guy in the league.
Speaker 1: And I'm on the Clippers, you.
Speaker 6: Know, I feel like I'm on a team that got
Speaker 6: a chance to maybe challenge y'all. So I just feel
Speaker 6: like it just looked like Clippers was kind of intimidated
Speaker 6: by you and all of that, and so I want
Speaker 6: to bring a little edge to the table. And I
Speaker 6: wasn't really playing much Digg, so it's hard. So we
Speaker 6: going to the game and I'm just seeing how you
Speaker 6: guarden Blake and I'm like, damn.
Speaker 1: He'd be a hell of physical and he pushing on
Speaker 1: and him like, you know what the fuck going on?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: Hold on Blake bus his ass. Man.
Speaker 6: Hell no, you can't really do that because everybody know
Speaker 6: you the head of the snake, and if you go
Speaker 6: at the head of the snake, you got a shot,
Speaker 6: and I didn't want y'all to think we listen Tom
Speaker 6: they so I'm yelling, I'm whoofing at you.
Speaker 1: We have the free throw line. I think I forget
Speaker 1: to have to free throw.
Speaker 6: Line, and I'm whoofing at you, like, no, fuck that man,
Speaker 6: fuck him, go at him, blake, you better than him. Whatever,
Speaker 6: And so I'm like, all right, I'm shooting. I want
Speaker 6: everybody to know this is what we own this year.
Speaker 6: You know, damn, come on, this is the class of
Speaker 6: the league right now. And you said what you said, right,
Speaker 6: and everybody the camera on me. So when I and
Speaker 6: to be honest, I didn't hear what you said. People
Speaker 6: don't know this, but the microphone underneath the basket pick
Speaker 6: up everything, and so when you're an arena, it's hard
Speaker 6: to hear. I'm on I'm on the sideline, I'm on
Speaker 6: the bench, and it's hard to hear. So it make
Speaker 6: it look like you shot something to me, But honestly,
Speaker 6: I didn't even hear what you said.
Speaker 5: It toil.
Speaker 6: After the game, I'm looking at my Twitter like, oh damn,
Speaker 6: you know he went back at me because I couldn't
Speaker 6: really see. I'm on the bitch, you're on the other side.
Speaker 6: But I do love yo, Banner, and I will tell
Speaker 6: you this. I love the fact that you say true
Speaker 6: to who you are, because even before you won, you
Speaker 6: was like that. Because I remember we came in here Boston,
Speaker 6: w you was talking shit to KG, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: who is this dude right here? Like like really looking
Speaker 6: at that him. Y'all ain't won yet, but already you
Speaker 6: had that. You remember that we cared to go to
Speaker 6: step KG. I'm like, who is this little nigga about you?
Speaker 1: It was he was. I was like, damn.
Speaker 6: And so it all makes sense now, like you've always
Speaker 6: been like that. You know, some people they start winning
Speaker 6: or they get some money and they turn into something else,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm talking about. But you came in
Speaker 6: true to yourself. And I appreciate that, man, And you know,
Speaker 6: I love what you've been doing to the game. And
Speaker 6: I just want everybody to know, between me and you,
Speaker 6: it ain't never been no beef good Banner.
Speaker 1: I respect your game and what you brought to the game. Man.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that. I definitely remember that because I remember
Speaker 4: coming in. You know how Kg KG KG will stand
Speaker 4: next to you. I've actually told the story before. KG
Speaker 4: will stand next to you and he will call you
Speaker 4: every B in the book. He will call you every
Speaker 4: three zero four in the book. He's going to call
Speaker 4: you soft, all of that, and he's just gonna stand
Speaker 4: out the free throw line next to you and say
Speaker 4: all of these things about you. And I'm standing there
Speaker 4: and I'm like, first, I'm like this nigga's crazy. I'm
Speaker 4: just standing there listen to him, like who is he
Speaker 4: talking to?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 6: Like cause he come back down the court talking to
Speaker 6: you and you know you're talking to you, and.
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, we go back down the car.
Speaker 5: Another file, have it.
Speaker 4: We had the free throw line like yeah, this little
Speaker 4: nigga can't fuck with me. Was so fast and I'm
Speaker 4: just sitting there like, hey, yo, I ain't gonna be
Speaker 4: no more. I ain't gonna be too many more yo,
Speaker 4: So you ain't gonna keep talking to me like that.
Speaker 4: And he like, yeah, whatever, little nigga, I ain't getting
Speaker 4: into that with you today. I'm like, you know you
Speaker 4: gonna get into it with me today. You keep talking
Speaker 4: to me like that. But like that's just you know,
Speaker 4: it's funny because I've just always been taught by, by
Speaker 4: my mom, by my neighborhood. Like the foot that you
Speaker 4: start off on, that's where it's going, you know. So
Speaker 4: like Coachizo when I first got to campus, and I
Speaker 4: won't say that, I won't say that what he called
Speaker 4: me publicly, But when I first got to campus, my
Speaker 4: first action, Coachizo, he called me a very specific name,
Speaker 4: and I went crazy, and I'm like, and now mind you,
Speaker 4: I'm a fat, pudgy freshman. Like when I said fat pudgy,
Speaker 4: I was real fat and pudgy, and and I'm not
Speaker 4: like the highest crew, like we got.
Speaker 5: Two recruits of my three three person class.
Speaker 4: I'm the lowest recruit and and he caught and I
Speaker 4: lost it and I start like cussing them out, like
Speaker 4: don't ever call me that.
Speaker 5: And he never called me that again, but.
Speaker 4: It was but he only never called me that again
Speaker 4: because I stopped it there.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And so that's just kind of how I always been.
Speaker 4: So when that happened with KG, you know, for me,
Speaker 4: you growing up, you know, and especially for me I'm
Speaker 4: growing up and watching KG in particular with his emotion,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, and how he wears emotions
Speaker 4: on his sleeve, and he loud and he communicate, So
Speaker 4: I felt like I could relate to that, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like I play with my emotions on
Speaker 4: my sleeve, like I'm gonna talk to the next guy.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna scream on you when I do something to you,
Speaker 4: you know, And like watching KG do that, I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh man, that's dope.
Speaker 5: But then you come into the league and now.
Speaker 4: It's like I can't really be that fan, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like I got a stand on business
Speaker 4: or they gonna treat you like that fan. And so
Speaker 4: when I came in and I and I noticed him
Speaker 4: doing it, I'm like, hold on, man, like this KG,
Speaker 4: but you can't just sit and talk to me like that, bro.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: But even getting into the moment that you just got into,
Speaker 4: I had no idea the thing that the microphone picked
Speaker 4: that up either. Like I got to my phone and
Speaker 4: I was so upset. I was so upset because you know,
Speaker 4: at that time, and you had just came into the
Speaker 4: river right like you you know, it's us the Clippers.
Speaker 4: Who's the next young team out? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We had just one but you know, it's still kind
Speaker 4: of right there, Like Doc had just said that, You're like, oh,
Speaker 4: they only won because such and such was hurt and
Speaker 4: this person was hurt, and so it's still kind of
Speaker 4: right fresh and those moments, and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 4: at that time, Blake was Blake LaMarcus Audrich. Like there
Speaker 4: was the dogs at the z Bow, there was the
Speaker 4: dogs at the four spot. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: z Bow my big bro Spartan dog. And so for me,
Speaker 4: when I see these dudes, I just want to kill them,
Speaker 4: like y'all saying these is the dudes at the fore.
Speaker 5: I want to kill these dudes.
Speaker 4: And so you had just came in me and Blake
Speaker 4: had already had our thing for a few years leading
Speaker 4: up to this, and and you like cook him, Blake,
Speaker 4: he too little, and.
Speaker 5: That trigger for me.
Speaker 4: I hate when people say he too little, because the
Speaker 4: reality is I probably really am too little, and so
Speaker 4: it's kind of one of those pet peeves of like like,
Speaker 4: don't fucking tell me I'm too little. And so you're
Speaker 4: yelling he too little, he too little? Man cook him, Blake,
Speaker 4: And because you're yelling at I jump on a Blake
Speaker 4: Griffin pump fake, and I'm like.
Speaker 5: What are you doing, bro? Like, why are you jumping
Speaker 5: on a Blake Griffin pump fake?
Speaker 4: Like if Blake Griffin want to shoot a nineteen footer,
Speaker 4: by all means you let Blake griffind shoot it. I
Speaker 4: done jumped on the pump fake. I filed and you
Speaker 4: just over there talking. So now I'm even more man
Speaker 4: like this dude just made me jump out of Blake
Speaker 4: Griffin pump fake.
Speaker 5: He talking.
Speaker 4: You don't know how much I really don't like Blake
Speaker 4: in this instance because he in my way, Like I'm
Speaker 4: trying to be I want to be an all star,
Speaker 4: Like you know what I'm saying, somebody he in my way.
Speaker 4: And then I got back to the phone and I'm like,
Speaker 4: my phone, I got a million text messions, right, And
Speaker 4: I'm like, why the hell I got all these text messages?
Speaker 4: Nothing crazy like right? And I see that, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: they picked that up right right?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: And and and that that that was That was a
Speaker 4: crazy moment.
Speaker 6: I get that on my Twitter feed every single day,
Speaker 6: so like I'm like, damn, so I just want to
Speaker 6: address that. But like I always you and enjoy you know,
Speaker 6: a little banner here and there. If I'd have heard that,
Speaker 6: I probably would have snapped something back. But uh, you know,
Speaker 6: it's all good. It's always loved. You know, you're a
Speaker 6: competitive person, just like myself. I wish you could have
Speaker 6: saw each other when I was in my prime. But
Speaker 6: you know, you doing You're doing your thing, Don and
Speaker 6: I appreciate that because in a passion, you could have
Speaker 6: played in any era, because I feel like today the
Speaker 6: passion ain't the same, you know, I think, uh, you
Speaker 6: know a lot of guys get too complacent with their brands,
Speaker 6: the money they making, and it just feels like I
Speaker 6: don't see that passion no more. Yeah, you're playing hard,
Speaker 6: but coming playing hard, you see it only a certain
Speaker 6: few people like and I named this before, it's like
Speaker 6: you Johnnie Westbrook, Pat Beverly and uh, you know, maybe
Speaker 6: a few more, but just like that, just you let
Speaker 6: it out. You don't hold it in. And I appreciate,
Speaker 6: you know, still seeing that while it's still in the game.
Speaker 4: Absolutely no, I appreciate it. And we're gonna talk more
Speaker 4: about that. But before we get into all that, I
Speaker 4: want to like, take me back. You're born in Oakland
Speaker 4: and then moved to Inglewood, California.
Speaker 5: Uh, take take me back to that journey. It's very
Speaker 5: interesting to me. Obviously I.
Speaker 4: Became who I've become, and Oakland is near and dear
Speaker 4: to my heart, and so I'm very interested and just
Speaker 4: hearing that story.
Speaker 5: And then I now both of those places mean a
Speaker 5: lot to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I grew up in and I got two older
Speaker 6: brothers who played division. One single parent, live with my mom.
Speaker 6: Never never knew my dad. But you know, my mom
Speaker 6: moved around for Chicago. But once my brothers got olden
Speaker 6: up to college, about nine years old, I moved to LA,
Speaker 6: to the east side of LA.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: We just went from one hood to the decks. You know,
Speaker 6: Mom was a survivor. She was a nurse, just trying
Speaker 6: to get food on the table. Man shout out to
Speaker 6: my mom. I lost my mom last year, but I
Speaker 6: mean she taught me somebody life life lessons and I
Speaker 6: you know, she she did.
Speaker 1: Everything she could.
Speaker 6: She left everything that meant and so I'm saying that.
Speaker 6: So we moved to LA, stayed a year in LA,
Speaker 6: then moved to Inglewood and You're like, damn, you know,
Speaker 6: we moving a lot. We haven't really got no stay
Speaker 6: of a place where people don't know. When I was
Speaker 6: in seventh or eighth grade, my brother got drafted to
Speaker 6: play Major League baseball. He got drafted tenth pick to
Speaker 6: play with Sam Cisco Giants, Steve Hosey. You know, he
Speaker 6: never really stuck in the big leads, but he made
Speaker 6: like a sign of bonus. I think he made like
Speaker 6: fifty thousand at the time or seventy five thousand, and
Speaker 6: that was enough to give us out the apartments and
Speaker 6: got us a cool house in Inglewood to where it
Speaker 6: was a little safer environment.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, moving to Inglewood really molded me.
Speaker 6: You know, growing up around gangs and drugs and prostitution,
Speaker 6: and you know, going to an inner city school. It's
Speaker 6: not easy when you got to catch the bus, and
Speaker 6: it kind of shaped me.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: You know, where your environment shakes you who you are.
Speaker 6: You can make a decision do.
Speaker 1: You want to go one way or the other.
Speaker 6: And so that's why when people have seeing me on
Speaker 6: the basketball court and off the court, it's two different people.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you can relate to this.
Speaker 6: This like we got we carry so many different personalities,
Speaker 6: like this is who I am right here, you know,
Speaker 6: and because of my upbringing. So people think I was
Speaker 6: unapproachable or always was mad and all of that, But
Speaker 6: in reality, I love my family, I love people. I'm
Speaker 6: not some social and all of that. But it's definitely
Speaker 6: a journey, you know, to get to where you want
Speaker 6: to go. And you can see it in certain players.
Speaker 6: They come from something else difficult and you can see
Speaker 6: it and they playing And I see that in you,
Speaker 6: you know, Alan Iverson, you see the KG, You see
Speaker 6: it when these guys, you know, playing with that type
Speaker 6: of emotion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no one, Because I always say like I am
Speaker 4: the way I am. I played the way I played
Speaker 4: because that's how I grew up playing at Saginaw. That's
Speaker 4: how I had to be. Like if you were going
Speaker 4: to get on the court, you had to be that way.
Speaker 4: If you weren't that way, you was getting ran off
Speaker 4: the court quick.
Speaker 1: No doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 6: In the same way, same way man, growing up in
Speaker 6: the parks, you better stand on your file or you're
Speaker 6: gonna get beat up or ran out the park, don't
Speaker 6: come back and don't come back. So you always got
Speaker 6: to stand on that.
Speaker 4: But talk to me, talk to me about like moving
Speaker 4: around LA because that's a little dangerous you know, like
Speaker 4: LA is very like this side, this this it can
Speaker 4: get the streets like that street is this game.
Speaker 5: This street is that game.
Speaker 4: You go over you know a little bit old, but
Speaker 4: over the way is now bloods you go a little bit.
Speaker 5: That way is crips.
Speaker 4: Like talk to me about navigating that, you know, being
Speaker 4: new to LA and then Niga Wood and kind of
Speaker 4: having to navigate that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's little kid.
Speaker 1: So check this out.
Speaker 6: You know, Oakland, You've been out in Oakland all these years,
Speaker 6: but you know, the talk in Oakland is a little different.
Speaker 1: Like they say blood, like what's up blood in Oakland? Right?
Speaker 1: So I grew up saying you know, and blood was like,
Speaker 1: you know, what's up? My boy?
Speaker 6: So I moved to LA and I move in a
Speaker 6: crypt neighborhood. So my first thing is my friends. I'm
Speaker 6: like yeah, blood, yeah, Blood. They're like, hey, you can't
Speaker 6: say that over here, you know what I'm saying as
Speaker 6: a matter of fact. And I had like some red
Speaker 6: shoe strings. I was like, you can't wear that over here,
Speaker 6: and I was just matching my shoes. So basketball culture
Speaker 6: and gang culture, especially when.
Speaker 1: You start becoming good, it kind of go hand in hand.
Speaker 6: And when you live in these type of neighborhoods, and
Speaker 6: so I had to learn that when I first got there, Like,
Speaker 6: then I'll move to Inglewood, So now I know what's up.
Speaker 6: You know, Inglewood is mostly predominantly blood. But that's a
Speaker 6: good thing, you asked, Dre. And what the people of
Speaker 6: the story ain't told enough is how gang culture and
Speaker 6: basketball culture kind.
Speaker 1: Of go hand in hand, especially in the hood.
Speaker 6: So when you start becoming good, you know, you grew
Speaker 6: up in certain neighborhoods, they look out for you. Now,
Speaker 6: you know, they look out for you now. So now
Speaker 6: like when you see guys in the NBA do certain signs.
Speaker 6: They might not be gang bangers, but they might be
Speaker 6: tied to them because they grow up around And so
Speaker 6: that's how it was for me. You know, they get
Speaker 6: you some shoes, they make sure you go to the park.
Speaker 6: Ain't nobody messing with you. You got a future they looking now,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. So that's the story and
Speaker 6: all itself, you know, just just being around them and like, man.
Speaker 1: This is what I grew up around.
Speaker 6: You know, this is where I live, you know, and
Speaker 6: they like, look, you don't need to get involved with
Speaker 6: all this smoking and drinking on the corner, doing what
Speaker 6: we do. But we're gonna make sure if any of
Speaker 6: us can make it out the hood, it's gonna be you.
Speaker 6: So we're gonna look out for you, so you know,
Speaker 6: and I'm thankful the guys that looked out for me
Speaker 6: growing up, not knowing that I couldn't be in certain
Speaker 6: places telling me where not to go or make sure
Speaker 6: I didn't show up here. And that's definitely a difficult
Speaker 6: thing to navigate it, you know. And I always say,
Speaker 6: you definitely got to surround stuff around the right people.
Speaker 6: And I didn't find myself hanging with them, but I
Speaker 6: lived in the neighborhood, and so I think it's important
Speaker 6: to really surround yourself abound people who gonna have positive
Speaker 6: influence on you. But also you got to keep a
Speaker 6: distance on what to do and what not to do,
Speaker 6: because then we make it to the NBA, dra and
Speaker 6: you still have some of these ties.
Speaker 1: But you gotta like grow up at some point, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And sometimes I might be referencing to guys that I'm
Speaker 6: playing in the league with today.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe some things happen with Joah.
Speaker 6: I don't know the complete story with that, But maybe
Speaker 6: that's something to do with you know, your surroundings and
Speaker 6: the people you're around.
Speaker 1: So the more message I will say is just.
Speaker 6: Be able to navigate that if you've got a bright future,
Speaker 6: if you think you can make yourself, get yourself out
Speaker 6: the hood and make a better life for yourself, and
Speaker 6: you need to do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I always you know, I agree with you
Speaker 4: one hundred percent because you know, guys in my neighborhood,
Speaker 4: if I you know, if I went the wrong way,
Speaker 4: they like, nah, you know, or you come over there,
Speaker 4: you're like, yo, I want to shoot dice or you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. You come, you go, you reach
Speaker 4: for the j They man, I slapped the shit out
Speaker 4: of you. If you like you not doing this, you
Speaker 4: gotta be you gotta make it like you got to
Speaker 4: be the one to make it.
Speaker 5: Out of here. You you not doing this.
Speaker 4: And the sense of I wondn't even necessarily say protection,
Speaker 4: but just like them looking out, like the way guys
Speaker 4: in the hood looked out for you. It is actually
Speaker 4: total opposite of what people outside of the hood thing.
Speaker 5: People outside of the hood thing.
Speaker 4: You grow up in hood, and it's the guys in
Speaker 4: the hood pulling you in, like hey man, we want
Speaker 4: to draw you in. And it's actually the total opposite.
Speaker 4: The guys in the hood like, yo, don't do this,
Speaker 4: like I'm already over here doing this. This ain't it, bro?
Speaker 4: Like it may look cool and like, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 4: I got respect, like I got this little cloud, but
Speaker 4: this ain't a cloud. In respect you want like get
Speaker 4: away from over here. And so that's one thing I've
Speaker 4: always always respected, like from you know, the OG's in
Speaker 4: the hood that I grew up in, OG's from hoods
Speaker 4: you grew up in, and different OG's you know, wroung
Speaker 4: like they like, nah, bro, this ain't it like you
Speaker 4: go that way?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That's a story that needs to be told more, you know.
Speaker 6: And I think there's a story and all that, and
Speaker 6: I've been I've been talking to people about that though.
Speaker 1: Straight up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you then you didn't leave. You leave Inglewood, you
Speaker 4: go to Kansas, Uh, you win three Big twelve Players
Speaker 4: of the Year, and you know in three years of
Speaker 4: playing at Kansas, which is I heard of people don't
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 5: Uh, talk to me about why did you stay so long?
Speaker 4: Like you knew you were dominating, you Big twelve Player
Speaker 4: of the Year as a freshman, then you win against
Speaker 4: a sophomore. Why did you end up staying at Kansas
Speaker 4: for three years as opposed to going to the NBA
Speaker 4: even earlier.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And to be honest with that, I could have
Speaker 6: left my sophomore year without I wasn't ready. I told
Speaker 6: myself I wasn't ready, just mentally and physically because I
Speaker 6: came in as a young freshman. I stepped on campus
Speaker 6: at seventeen and played three years. Left at twenty. But
Speaker 6: I wasn't ready, dre to be honest, because ninety five
Speaker 6: KG left straight to the league. That's the first time
Speaker 6: that ever happened. We left McDonald's. Everybody like, what college
Speaker 6: you going to? All the top players, KG was the
Speaker 6: only one that didn't commit. He was like, I want
Speaker 6: to the league. So everybody was like, damn, you can
Speaker 6: do that. So I'm like okay. So then the next
Speaker 6: year I'm a freshman. Next thing you know, Stepan Marlberry
Speaker 6: and Shtreetbrop duor Rahin was one and out. So that
Speaker 6: was the first year of guys on one and out
Speaker 6: in college. So KG started the high school and then
Speaker 6: the one and done was started. So I think my
Speaker 6: class was responsible for a lot of that, you know,
Speaker 6: moving forward with the high school guys coming out, because
Speaker 6: if it wasn't, we wouldn't have guys like Kobe, lebron T.
Speaker 1: Matt and Dwight. You know, KG really kicked the door
Speaker 1: around for that and then after that.
Speaker 6: But the norm dre was three years and out. That
Speaker 6: was the norm in the nineties eighties. You know, you
Speaker 6: you matured, you played three years and after your third year,
Speaker 6: that was leaving early, you know, and Steph and Sharif
Speaker 6: and KG did that.
Speaker 1: You know, nobody was that was like taking the.
Speaker 6: Lead early until now everybody freshman, freshman, sophomores, high school players,
Speaker 6: until they cut that from the NBA.
Speaker 1: So but that was the culture.
Speaker 6: Leaving early was the third year, you did three and
Speaker 6: then you left early. So that's why I stayed.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, because I've looked at that a million times,
Speaker 4: like he just ain't in everybody, why did he stay here?
Speaker 4: Like I stayed there for I stayed four I had
Speaker 4: to stay four years to school like I ain't had
Speaker 4: no choice because they.
Speaker 6: Just KG was the first year they started drafting for
Speaker 6: potential before you got drafted on that you was ready
Speaker 6: or not, because before that the number one pick was
Speaker 6: coming in damn near averaging eighteen nineteen in the game.
Speaker 1: THEMN there, second third year, you.
Speaker 6: An All Star from the number one pick because they
Speaker 6: were a little more mature than after that ag come in,
Speaker 6: they started drafting on potential.
Speaker 5: Okay, no, that's that's that's so.
Speaker 1: That's a little history lesson right there.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that because I was I was tripping on that.
Speaker 4: But then you go to the Celtics and you bawling.
Speaker 4: But from a team standpoint, it don't start off great.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: Celtics, Celtics tradition, excuse me, tradition, all the championships, the Birds,
Speaker 4: Robert Parrish, Bill Russell, Uh, you know, the list goes
Speaker 4: on and on. How was it dealing with that? Because Boston,
Speaker 4: Boston ain't the nicest town. Likes and just like, oh
Speaker 4: we cool, were happy to have you.
Speaker 6: They might the titles, yeah they might do you man,
Speaker 6: it was rough coming in there early and I got
Speaker 6: drafted ten and I remember taking the ball out as
Speaker 6: a rookie, They like, who who is this?
Speaker 1: Y'all dropped this motherfucker.
Speaker 6: Damn it's like one of my first few games, Like damn,
Speaker 6: you gotta have big skin to play in certain organizations
Speaker 6: or you will get ran out by out of the
Speaker 6: fans or the media. But luckily, you know, I came
Speaker 6: in like, look it gonna be me. I don't really
Speaker 6: hear crowd noise. I'm gonna make my mark right away.
Speaker 6: And I was able to establish a friendship with Twina.
Speaker 6: And it was rough at first, you know, cause I
Speaker 6: came from Inglewood where we won't.
Speaker 1: With the Kansers, we won a lot of games.
Speaker 6: And to get on a team to where it's like
Speaker 6: no playoffs, under five hundred going home early. It was
Speaker 6: like culture shot. It was not only a culture shot
Speaker 6: moving from LA to Boston. Coat your shock just basketball wise.
Speaker 6: And then you are the stairs, you looking at Bill Russell,
Speaker 6: you like red all back, you putting your head down.
Speaker 6: But I know we're young and we got to learn,
Speaker 6: and you know, you take your growing pains, but you know,
Speaker 6: it's a part of the game. It's you know, some situations,
Speaker 6: it's different than others minds. You know, we have our
Speaker 6: growing pains. But I feel like it worked out in
Speaker 6: the long run, all right.
Speaker 4: And there was another side of that that most people
Speaker 4: won't even think about. But going from LA to Boston,
Speaker 4: you grew up a Laker fan, Yeah, yeah, absolutely that hatred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate Bosston. Everybody know that. Hell well documented.
Speaker 6: I think even today, Boston is one of the more
Speaker 6: hated franchise in all of the world. I mean not
Speaker 6: maybe in America because you got the brand that's good outside,
Speaker 6: but like in America, and they always Boston's always been
Speaker 6: like one of them black hat teams. And I don't
Speaker 6: know why I hated them. And even when I played,
Speaker 6: we got people hated me. I mean, I got booted
Speaker 6: lot of arenas, and I don't know, It's just something
Speaker 6: about the black Cat, the Boston Celtics franchise.
Speaker 1: With whears, because when you're.
Speaker 6: So good and and and a story franchise, maybe people
Speaker 6: looked at that, and you know, when they compare with
Speaker 6: the Lakers, people are gonna choose the Lakers or Boston
Speaker 6: any day, you know, because that's the comparable when you
Speaker 6: talk about great franchise. And so I learned to get
Speaker 6: comfortable being wearing a black Cat. I learned to get comfortable.
Speaker 6: I learned to just understand, like, look, if this is
Speaker 6: gonna be what it is, then I'm gonna accept that,
Speaker 6: but it's not gonna move me or shake me either way.
Speaker 6: And it's something I had to live with and that's
Speaker 6: been my identity and I'm fine with that.
Speaker 5: MM no doubt I respect that. Uh.
Speaker 4: And during your time there, you you you then establish
Speaker 4: yourself as one of the better better wings in the league,
Speaker 4: making our NBA All Stars over and over again, earning
Speaker 4: the nickname the Truth. Then y'all reach a point where
Speaker 4: it's not going great. Doc's essentially about to be on
Speaker 4: his way out, about.
Speaker 1: To get fired him.
Speaker 4: The Doc's about to be on his way out, and
Speaker 4: from what I've heard, you're possibly going to get out
Speaker 4: of there soon too, just for your own career, y'all.
Speaker 4: You then find out that y'all about to get reallen,
Speaker 4: y'all about to get KG. What was your thoughts? Were
Speaker 4: you worried about sacrificing shots? Because for so long now
Speaker 4: you've been here, you've been the man. You you do
Speaker 4: what you want to do? Or what's that for you? Like,
Speaker 4: this is my chance to win and become a Boston
Speaker 4: Celtius legend.
Speaker 5: How did you accept that? As as that starts to happen.
Speaker 6: Man, it was just like, yeah, I want to say,
Speaker 6: I'm just all I ever want to do is win
Speaker 6: in Boston, man.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, all I ever wonted.
Speaker 6: Dre was just a shot, just a shot, you know,
Speaker 6: vis all these other great wing players.
Speaker 1: I'm watching Cold win it all.
Speaker 6: I'm watching guys like man Ne Genobi win it all,
Speaker 6: guys in my position, you know, having success in the playoffs.
Speaker 6: And I just said, man, I'm looking at these other players,
Speaker 6: play with other great players. I got a chance to
Speaker 6: play with Antoine Walker. We went to the Eastern Conference
Speaker 6: finals and we trade him. We this close, so I'm like, damn,
Speaker 6: we trailed. We running backwards. All I ever won is
Speaker 6: a shot as a competitor. That's all you ever want.
Speaker 6: Just give me a shot with another great player and
Speaker 6: let me see if we can pull something off. And
Speaker 6: so when that happened, Dog Ray came and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 6: I'm not getting traded.
Speaker 1: We I'm in this for the long run. Then we
Speaker 1: get KG.
Speaker 6: That's all I asked for and over here during the
Speaker 6: good years the bad years, just give me a shot.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: You got d Wade get to play with Bron this
Speaker 6: shot and all.
Speaker 1: These other great players.
Speaker 6: Get the team up, because you can't win by yourself
Speaker 6: in this league. You need other greatlaers. We all know, Hey,
Speaker 6: I don't care how great you are, you need another
Speaker 6: great player.
Speaker 1: And that's all I asked for. So once I got them, even.
Speaker 6: Though we only won one title, we was hurt the
Speaker 6: next year, and then the following year we went back
Speaker 6: to the finals to play the Lakers again. Twenty and ten,
Speaker 6: we were twelve minutes away with the league. I'm happy
Speaker 6: I got a shot. I could have won two. If
Speaker 6: kJ don't get hurt. We was on pace to him
Speaker 6: were seventy games the next year, and so I'm just
Speaker 6: thankful that I even got a shot later in my
Speaker 6: career because if we had got together when we are young, boy,
Speaker 6: we would have looked like y'all warriors, man, I'm telling.
Speaker 1: Look like we're together at twenty six, twenty seven. It
Speaker 1: would have been a problem.
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, do you feel good? Do you feel like
Speaker 6: we started that big super team?
Speaker 5: For sure? For sure?
Speaker 6: So we was an influence on Bron and then Kad
Speaker 6: and all of that and everybody coming together.
Speaker 4: Well, I think I think also a thing that it
Speaker 4: did was it allowed you to see that it was possible.
Speaker 4: So we had like before that we didn't know this
Speaker 4: was possible, Like all of a sudden, it's now you Ray,
Speaker 4: Allen and KG like this. No one ever even thought
Speaker 4: of these things before, Like how is this even possible?
Speaker 4: And so I think that opened up the world of possibilities.
Speaker 4: Now you're like, ah, okay, I can do this. Now
Speaker 4: I can Yeah, like we can put this together now,
Speaker 4: you know. And so I think when that happened, everybody's
Speaker 4: just like, Okay, now you can put these pieces into
Speaker 4: place because I've seen it happen, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And I think another thing, See, everybody always talk about you,
Speaker 4: Ray and KG, which by the way, should be talked about,
Speaker 4: but nobody ever talked about y'all had a great young
Speaker 4: point guard in Rondo.
Speaker 5: Boy, Like how important was Rondo to what y'all?
Speaker 6: Rondo was so big to everything because he was the
Speaker 6: youngest and they wasn't sure at first that Rondo can
Speaker 6: be the point guard with us because he was only
Speaker 6: in like his.
Speaker 1: Second or third year. Second, you know, he was in
Speaker 1: his second year.
Speaker 6: So it was a lot of talks about maybe training Rondo,
Speaker 6: do we need an older point guard.
Speaker 1: I was like, nah, this. I saw his rookie year.
Speaker 6: I was like, this, dude gonna be nice. He showed
Speaker 6: me flashes his rookie year and I was like, he
Speaker 6: actually the perfect guard for us because he's.
Speaker 1: A past first guard.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I was rocking with him. He was picking up
Speaker 6: pull Corey, play d and he always made the right decisions.
Speaker 1: I Q was off the charts.
Speaker 6: And see that's that's the thing about Rondo more than
Speaker 6: his skill is IQ. And you saw that and just
Speaker 6: Tod that has first point guard who was mature for
Speaker 6: his age. That was the perfect storm for us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as far as demeanor, like you're an alpha, O,
Speaker 4: Kg's an alpha.
Speaker 5: I don't know rate that well, but he like he I.
Speaker 1: Would I would say he liked more of a sniper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like I'll get you, but I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: under the radar with mine a little bit more.
Speaker 5: How did a young Rondo handle that?
Speaker 4: Because Rondo is like th toughest ship and yeah, how
Speaker 4: how did he adjust to that where he's an alpha
Speaker 4: and he's the point guard running the show. But like
Speaker 4: you got these ogs in here, like how was that
Speaker 4: adjustment for Rondo.
Speaker 6: You know what did was probably the best thing he did.
Speaker 6: You know, as a young player, when you come in
Speaker 6: and I always say this, players, you know, find event
Speaker 6: you can come up under. You know that can show
Speaker 6: you get a good mad though that you come up under.
Speaker 6: Listen to what he got to say, and he gonna
Speaker 6: show you the way. First thing he did, he went,
Speaker 6: he went to the ticket university. He checked in the
Speaker 6: ticket university, got up under his wing. That's where he
Speaker 6: started developing that mentality. He went right the ticket. Ticket
Speaker 6: took him under his wing every day in Rondo here
Speaker 6: every day in the locker room, on the court, and
Speaker 6: that's why you see the He had it in him.
Speaker 1: But they just start growing and start growing.
Speaker 6: And it was hard on him because as a scorer,
Speaker 6: as a guy want the ball. You know, I'm on him, like,
Speaker 6: you know, bring it this way. But he was so
Speaker 6: smart and the point guard is the hardest position you
Speaker 6: gotta distribute to guys who need the ball. But he
Speaker 6: handled it good though he went under ticket. The mentality
Speaker 6: even it was nice, me and him might argue he
Speaker 6: stood on his business and I was like, all right,
Speaker 6: I respect it.
Speaker 1: You saw something.
Speaker 6: Different than all right, cool, and we moved on from it,
Speaker 6: and it was it was just a perfect family to
Speaker 6: just be under that. And now it's Ronald grew and
Speaker 6: he saw his natality. He quiet too, but don't don't
Speaker 6: push his button. Don't push his button, you know. So
Speaker 6: he he an opportuneo. But we had a lot of
Speaker 6: them though, Perk, Leon Pole, Eddie House Posey, Uh, big baby.
Speaker 6: I mean if we got into a team fight, I'm
Speaker 6: not sure anybody wanted to see us.
Speaker 1: It's all. We had so many big dogs. Tony Allen, Damn.
Speaker 1: I forgot about a damn damn. But like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the funnest time. We all kicked it. We all
Speaker 1: kicked it.
Speaker 6: We all went out together, we all ate together. We
Speaker 6: just did everything together, you know. So it made it fun.
Speaker 6: And you know, I.
Speaker 1: Appreciate them dudes and Rondo and all them.
Speaker 5: No doubt.
Speaker 4: Uh. And speaking of appreciation, y'all win the finals, hurt
Speaker 4: the next season, go back to the finals y and
Speaker 4: joins the Miami.
Speaker 5: Story, like, talk to me about that. I need to
Speaker 5: hear your side.
Speaker 6: We Ray doing that, man, So you know, Ray came
Speaker 6: in as we are brotherhood. Our families hang out with
Speaker 6: each other, his kids, my kids. We go to this
Speaker 6: house for you know, Halloween parties and Super Bowl and
Speaker 6: vice versa. So when they when it hit that he
Speaker 6: was we just lost to Miami by the way. Uh
Speaker 6: And and I'm like, all right, you know, we just
Speaker 6: need to regroup, get a couple more.
Speaker 1: Young dudes, then we're gonna resign.
Speaker 6: Right, We're gonna stay un lined up our contracts and
Speaker 6: finish this thing out together. And by the way, I
Speaker 6: help y'all bring play back. Y'all need to finish together,
Speaker 6: you know, hope that's an example of how we went.
Speaker 6: And y'all don't do that, you know, give him what
Speaker 6: he won't, you know, right? And I think you know,
Speaker 6: I didn't know you had issues with the contract or starting.
Speaker 6: But the thing is, I wanted you to holler like
Speaker 6: if you don't leave us, like give me a call
Speaker 6: like it ain't working out. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know they're not gonna get me the contract. I
Speaker 1: won't They're not giving me the roll. I want someone
Speaker 1: go this route.
Speaker 6: Okay, man, I respect that you make a business decision
Speaker 6: for you and your family. Cool, but when you never
Speaker 6: get that call, you leave and go to the team.
Speaker 6: We pretty much this is our rival. We just were
Speaker 6: playing these cats to see who going to the finals
Speaker 6: the next few years, Like, come on, man, I just
Speaker 6: didn't feel like there was a respect thing there. And
Speaker 6: I don't run into retail and Ray after that until retirement,
Speaker 6: so I don't talk to.
Speaker 1: Him and he don't talk to me. You know, even
Speaker 1: when we play.
Speaker 6: Each other, it's no words really, and I felt a
Speaker 6: certain kind of way about that. So I had a
Speaker 6: chance to I was playing this exhibition game in China
Speaker 6: in retirement, my first year retire, and I didn't even
Speaker 6: know Ray was gonna be there.
Speaker 1: So next you know, he's like, oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: Ray is here in.
Speaker 6: The locker room next to you, and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 6: you know what, let me go holler at him. So
Speaker 6: I was went over there, like, look, I told him
Speaker 6: I felt about the situation. He was like, man, you
Speaker 6: know what. I broke it down to.
Speaker 1: Him like that.
Speaker 6: He was like, you're right, I should have did it different.
Speaker 6: After that, I was like, it's all good. We smoke
Speaker 6: on it, we shook and there's been love and it's
Speaker 6: been love since there.
Speaker 4: So why at the seventy fifth did you and KG
Speaker 4: do that? When Ray walk fast because I didn't know
Speaker 4: it was love now wa y'all was like laughing. You
Speaker 4: at seventy fifth anniversary, you and Casey was laughing when
Speaker 4: Ray walked through, and I thought it was still some beef.
Speaker 5: No, I was going to ask you, okay, so y'all
Speaker 5: good now?
Speaker 1: Yeah we're good now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there wasn't no beef by the time, because the
Speaker 6: seventy five was last year. We was good before that
Speaker 6: because remember if you noticed when KG you got a
Speaker 6: jersey retired, we all hugged that half court, which was
Speaker 6: like a couple of years ago. So yeah, he was like,
Speaker 6: shout out the Ray tickets. I was good, but ticket
Speaker 6: wasn't good until his retirement. You don't even know. We
Speaker 6: didn't know Ray was coming to his retirement. That was
Speaker 6: the big thing surrounding KG retirement when he was getting
Speaker 6: his jersey retirement, Like it's right, man, you know you
Speaker 6: think Ray gonna show up?
Speaker 1: Nobody had the idea. I didn't.
Speaker 6: So when he showed up, I think that was a
Speaker 6: sign like, you know what, it's time to squash that
Speaker 6: KG rondo.
Speaker 1: Let's bring it in.
Speaker 6: And I think from that point we all squashed it already,
Speaker 6: had squashed mine with him. But at KG Jersey retirement,
Speaker 6: I think it was just like all right, they spoke
Speaker 6: it was cool.
Speaker 1: Now everybody good. Now I love that.
Speaker 4: Man, because you know, you go through these like and
Speaker 4: like you said, y'all won one. But it's hard winning
Speaker 4: a championship, Like yeah, for sure. You know, people don't
Speaker 4: understand how hard it is, how many things have to
Speaker 4: go right. Yeah, you gotta be you gotta be really good,
Speaker 4: but you have to be really lucky.
Speaker 5: I gotta be really lucky.
Speaker 1: Lucky you start talking about hell all the time.
Speaker 5: You don't win championships with a look, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Without luck at all. People don't know.
Speaker 5: Look at their fact.
Speaker 4: You look at the amount of teams that you thought
Speaker 4: was going to win a championship.
Speaker 5: They were unlucky.
Speaker 6: Yep, yeah, absolutely absolutely, Like Houston they got y'all, they
Speaker 6: got y'all, Chris Paul pull a half string like, hey,
Speaker 6: I'm telling you you need it in every championship. Toronto
Speaker 6: beat y'all because they got lucky. KD got hurt exactly
Speaker 6: every year. Yeah, I see it every year. Bro, you
Speaker 6: gotta be lucky and all of this and that, and
Speaker 6: that's the part. That's the part people don't get no
Speaker 6: matter how good, we gotta be lucky.
Speaker 4: We're playing against Houston. They missed twenty seven threes in
Speaker 4: a row. This is just what they do. They shoot threes.
Speaker 1: They've never done that.
Speaker 5: They missed twenty seven threes in a row. You have
Speaker 5: to be a little lucky, right, just the reality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy, that is crazy.
Speaker 4: But in saying that, and I mentioned it earlier, you
Speaker 4: know Doc was kind of on his way out. Then y'all,
Speaker 4: Ray come in, k KG, come in, y'all get it rolling,
Speaker 4: y'all get Doc his first and only championship. Hasn't quite
Speaker 4: been able to get over to hump since. Uh Now,
Speaker 4: as we all know, Doc is now with the Milwaukee
Speaker 4: Bucks trying to number one souven is your season, but
Speaker 4: number two going to win a championship.
Speaker 5: They made the trade for Dame.
Speaker 4: They obviously got Chris Middleton, Jay Crowder, Bobby Porters, Brook Lopez,
Speaker 4: Pat Bearev.
Speaker 5: Now what do you.
Speaker 4: Think Doc brings to that team and can he help
Speaker 4: them get over the hump to win a championship this
Speaker 4: season or next?
Speaker 1: I will tell you one thing. Doc is a great motivator. Man.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you he knows he knows each individual on
Speaker 6: how to coach each in a visual you know, he
Speaker 6: coaches them all different. You know, he don't He's not
Speaker 6: gonna coach Gianni's coach, Bobby Porters and all school coaches.
Speaker 6: They gonna coach one way. It's dayway or the highway.
Speaker 6: And that's one thing that Doc has been great that
Speaker 6: because he's been a player, he understands, you know, what
Speaker 6: they need and when they need it. And I think
Speaker 6: he's the he's the right guy to help them get
Speaker 6: over the hub. Actually, you know, your players got to
Speaker 6: respect your coach. I think they respect Doc. You know,
Speaker 6: I'm not sure how much they respect that Adrian Griffitt
Speaker 6: or why would they get him out of there? Doc
Speaker 6: is gonna come with some respect. Yeah, he hasn't won
Speaker 6: as many as people probably thought he should, but he's
Speaker 6: been there and they're gonna respect that. And so in
Speaker 6: saying that, I think he's gonna bring some leadership in
Speaker 6: another voice, because like when you look him at Waukee,
Speaker 6: like who's.
Speaker 1: The like vocal leader? I really don't know. I'm not
Speaker 1: in the locker room.
Speaker 6: Maybe it's Sean this maybe his name, but Doc is
Speaker 6: gonna be another vocal leader in the locker room and
Speaker 6: he's going he gonna tell you like it is, and
Speaker 6: I respect that, Like, whether you like it or not,
Speaker 6: he's gonna keep it true to you. So hopefully, you know,
Speaker 6: he can get them far. But I don't think they're
Speaker 6: gonna beat the Celtics in the East.
Speaker 1: You know, it's bad timing right now, but he got
Speaker 1: a championship. It's a bad time, but I.
Speaker 6: Think he got a championship caliber team, and I think
Speaker 6: I think they gonna see the Celtics and the conference finders.
Speaker 5: I respect that. I respect that.
Speaker 4: Man, it's the year two thousand and you get stabbed
Speaker 4: eleven times? Number one, How do you still manage to
Speaker 4: play eighty two games? It's beyond me. And I know
Speaker 4: you've talked about the story before, but like, what's something
Speaker 4: from that story that people don't know? And like I said,
Speaker 4: I also want to know, how did you manage to
Speaker 4: play eighty two games?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: No, right, I don't even know how I'm alive? Truthfully,
Speaker 6: when I look back at it, you know, I think
Speaker 6: just to I thank God. I'm a true believer in God.
Speaker 6: You know, I think you know, he knows who your
Speaker 6: time is and it wasn't my time, and I think
Speaker 6: the only thing let me tell you something d when
Speaker 6: people don't know but I haven't spoke on I talked
Speaker 6: about the incident and being in the club and you know,
Speaker 6: being stabbed by like multiple men and three different knives,
Speaker 6: and well, people don't know. I played because I played
Speaker 6: through pain. But that was the only thing that my
Speaker 6: being on the court was the only thing that gave
Speaker 6: me peace. You know what I'm saying, because I'm traumatized,
Speaker 6: I'm in my house, I'm scared, but at the same time,
Speaker 6: I'm paranoid. I'm like, I'm okase sleep, like I have
Speaker 6: to wear like a vest that this is people don't know.
Speaker 6: I have to wear a vest under leave my uniform.
Speaker 6: So like a lot of times if I take a
Speaker 6: charge or I go into the paint, I felt that
Speaker 6: it wasn't all the way healed and I have to
Speaker 6: just mentally play through that because I know I wanted
Speaker 6: to be on the court because that's the only piece
Speaker 6: I got from not thinking about what happened for that
Speaker 6: three hours, that three four hours that gave me peace.
Speaker 6: And you know, when you go through a whole day
Speaker 6: when you can't sleep at night, and you're sitting around,
Speaker 6: not leaving the house, not going nowhere, you know, wondering
Speaker 6: if it's really somebody out here trying.
Speaker 1: To kill you.
Speaker 6: You know, that's not a good that's not a good
Speaker 6: mental to be in, you know. So, But for that
Speaker 6: three four hours, I'm in the gym, I'm gonna be
Speaker 6: on the court. So I disobeyed doctor's orders. I practiced
Speaker 6: before I was supposed to practice. I wore this like
Speaker 6: damn there, bulletproof best or whatever kind of best thing
Speaker 6: got for me.
Speaker 1: And I just played through it until I healed. And
Speaker 1: I really didn't heal until after the season.
Speaker 5: That's crazy, man.
Speaker 4: And how did you manage to stay in Boston another
Speaker 4: ten years after that? Like, like, how long did it
Speaker 4: take you to start leaving again, to go out again
Speaker 4: to live normal life again in the city where you
Speaker 4: just got stabbed stabbed up by with three four dudes? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 4: how how were you able to get back to some
Speaker 4: sense of normalcy in that city?
Speaker 1: You know it too.
Speaker 6: It took a while, but I surrounded myself with some
Speaker 6: family and friends because immediately I moved out two of
Speaker 6: my cousins who are the same age as me, two
Speaker 6: of my best friends who I grew up with, and
Speaker 6: I moved into Boston with me, so I had family
Speaker 6: around me at all times. Uh, you know, people watching
Speaker 6: out for me. I kept I kept a family and
Speaker 6: I kept it close.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: But it took some years.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: It took some years.
Speaker 6: Even going to the restaurant, dude, I was just I
Speaker 6: had security. I'm over here, like seeing who know my car?
Speaker 6: I gotta standing outside went inside. And it took some
Speaker 6: years to me to really started getting back to normal
Speaker 6: because it got to the point I get real anxious
Speaker 6: when I got in the crowd, you know. You know,
Speaker 6: I couldn't do the season tickets holder stuff with the
Speaker 6: crowd of people, appearances, I wasn't doing so. But the
Speaker 6: thing that helped me the most was started when I
Speaker 6: started talking about it to other people, you know, because
Speaker 6: I held it in for a few years.
Speaker 1: But then I started.
Speaker 6: Talking the more people about it, and it helped me
Speaker 6: get comfortable with.
Speaker 1: Like just letting it free, letting it out, loosen it up.
Speaker 6: And that's the biggest thing to help me because at
Speaker 6: first I had a psychiatrist or psychologists whoever you talk
Speaker 6: to after and I had two sensions with him, and
Speaker 6: I was like, man, I don't want to talk about.
Speaker 1: This no more. And from that point in I held
Speaker 1: it in.
Speaker 6: But I think talking to people, surrounding myself with love
Speaker 6: really helped me get through those times. And uh, you know,
Speaker 6: I appreciate the people who I was close to and
Speaker 6: the people I was able to talk to about it.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, it was difficult, and I used the
Speaker 1: game of basketball to rededicate myself.
Speaker 6: And I think, you know, for me to take that
Speaker 6: next step to where I got to, something.
Speaker 1: Like that maybe had to happen.
Speaker 6: Maybe God listen in a message to where like, look,
Speaker 6: you need to refocus, get back in the gym. And
Speaker 6: I really think from that point on, elevating my game
Speaker 6: from that point.
Speaker 5: On, mm hmmm, yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean some some some traumatic like that. It does
Speaker 4: one or two things to people. It's seen you this way, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll see you that way. And that's very like you're
Speaker 4: very sure which way that guy went.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's hell yeah or either way. Man.
Speaker 6: But I was I was raised by some strong by
Speaker 6: strong mom taught me always to just be strong and
Speaker 6: you're gonna get through what that situation.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get through.
Speaker 6: And so that's just the cloth. I was built through
Speaker 6: and that's why I was able to get.
Speaker 5: Through it, no doubt, man. And switching gears a little bit,
Speaker 5: not really.
Speaker 4: But in the same light, if you playing eighty two
Speaker 4: games that year, you played eighty plus games seven times
Speaker 4: in your career. What is your perspective on this, this
Speaker 4: current debate load management? Uh, guys resting the sixty five
Speaker 4: games award? You know you got to play sixty five
Speaker 4: games in order to br NBA, MVP all those things.
Speaker 4: What's your How do you view that as someone who
Speaker 4: played eighty plus games seven times?
Speaker 6: I mean, I really don't see the science at the
Speaker 6: low management because they don't prevent injuries. I play eighty
Speaker 6: plus games, I play seventeen plus season without any major injuries.
Speaker 1: I was lucky.
Speaker 6: But it's no science to like, if you rest, you're
Speaker 6: gonna be less likely to get injured. And so I
Speaker 6: just say this, if you love the game, ain't nobody
Speaker 6: telling me I can't play tonight. That's just that's just me,
Speaker 6: and and I see that with just only certain people
Speaker 6: in the league, you know. And I've never seen Bron
Speaker 6: Bron like Bron don't sit down like I do. Just
Speaker 6: seen Bron coming to the guarden I'm talking about. He
Speaker 6: rolled his ankle like this, and I'm looking like, oh yeah,
Speaker 6: he's for a showdun for the night. Two minutes later
Speaker 6: he comes back out there catch a lot and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 6: that's crazy. Like like today, kids roll they ankle, I
Speaker 6: get it sit out, or you know, I play with
Speaker 6: a dislocated thumb. But it's just different now. I don't
Speaker 6: know what it is. I think it has a lot
Speaker 6: of to do with the people around in the organization,
Speaker 6: like the medical staff or these doctors here.
Speaker 1: They convince us like, no, this is the right thing
Speaker 1: to do, and we created more.
Speaker 6: Jobs for these people to come into the NBA, and
Speaker 6: so they got a job to do. When you got
Speaker 6: all this big medical team, the medical team wasn't.
Speaker 1: Like that when I was in the league, dre.
Speaker 6: Now you got more physical therapists in the back room.
Speaker 6: Where it was only like one or two, you got
Speaker 6: to the one that can treat every player, and then
Speaker 6: you got one that's like, look, you know, no long run,
Speaker 6: you know, not only this year but your career, but nothing,
Speaker 6: no science has proven that you're not gonna get hurt
Speaker 6: ever when we do this. So I'm not again, I'm
Speaker 6: not with it, but it's the way the NBA. And
Speaker 6: I like the sixty five game rule actually, you know,
Speaker 6: because if a guy plays sixty games, how is he
Speaker 6: better than this guy playing seventy two games and his
Speaker 6: team is doing well? You know, get into the guy
Speaker 6: who's been out there.
Speaker 1: The whole time. You know, these awards and so, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think that's the way it should be. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, hold these care players accountable.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you if you pressing yourself to play sixty
Speaker 6: five and you got an injury, that'sa on you. Don't
Speaker 6: be pressed to make all NBA. Don't be pressed to
Speaker 6: do all this stuff. Get yourself right first and then play.
Speaker 1: You know. If guys is playing hurt, that's on them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no doubt. I respect that you.
Speaker 4: Speaking of bron you've made a few comments about Brian.
Speaker 4: You said you made him join the heat, you said
Speaker 4: that he wasn't top five player in the NBA. A
Speaker 4: lot of people has called your takes on Brian as
Speaker 4: you hear, where do you stand, Like, do you still
Speaker 4: think Brian ain't a top five player in NBA history?
Speaker 6: First of all, I'm clear that up. I've never I
Speaker 6: did say that, but it was based on when they
Speaker 6: was playing the Portland Trail Blazers in the Bubble, and
Speaker 6: I think Portland went up two oh or they won
Speaker 6: the first one, or maybe they didn't even start the series.
Speaker 6: But I was like, all right, they got a d
Speaker 6: they got this. And I was like, if they lose
Speaker 6: to the Blazers in the playoffs first round, I don't
Speaker 6: want to hear about Bron being top five because I
Speaker 6: felt like they had a championship team, which they went
Speaker 6: on to win a championship in the Bubble that and
Speaker 6: so do I think Bron is the top five players?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Man, Absolutely.
Speaker 6: I mean I've went on record saying this after they
Speaker 6: won that chip, I said, Lebron has submitted to hisself
Speaker 6: as the number two to me player all time. Now literally,
Speaker 6: I know he was gonna go for forty thousand, little
Speaker 6: I know he's gonna break all these other records.
Speaker 1: This is like four years ago. Bron is in.
Speaker 6: That gold argument to where you could just say he
Speaker 6: might be the goat, you know, his longevity, the records
Speaker 6: he's had.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's who you like.
Speaker 6: Whatever air you play in, whatever, But Bron has a
Speaker 6: serious argument and I will say this about Bron. I
Speaker 6: wouldn't be who I am today without Broun. And I
Speaker 6: will say that for the simple fact that I got
Speaker 6: to match up with him, for the simple fact that
Speaker 6: I get to have these epic games against him, I
Speaker 6: wouldn't be who I am without him. So I'm taking
Speaker 6: my head off to him in retirement.
Speaker 1: Did I ever hate Bron?
Speaker 6: Never hated Bron, always respected him. It's just that me
Speaker 6: in the heat of the battle on the court, I'm
Speaker 6: no friends, Bro.
Speaker 1: That's just who I was. Listen, you do what you do,
Speaker 1: what your team over there.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna do it my team, and I ain't no love.
Speaker 6: And he always came like I was a Bron hater,
Speaker 6: but nah, I appreciate what he done to this game.
Speaker 6: He's reset the bar the standard now and he's pushed
Speaker 6: the bar so high now that I don't know if
Speaker 6: in our lifetime there's gonna be anybody close to him.
Speaker 6: And I respect what he's done for the game, not
Speaker 6: only on the court, but off the court. So I'm
Speaker 6: happy that I come on your platform and let everybody
Speaker 6: know this. Yeah, I've said some things about Bron, but look,
Speaker 6: real recognized real at the end of the day, and
Speaker 6: he's just been unbelievable man, And we appreciate that.
Speaker 4: No doubt, no doubt, no I respect that. Another one
Speaker 4: that went crazy, And I asked this question more so
Speaker 4: not even about that moment, but just kind of your
Speaker 4: take because number one, like I said to start, you
Speaker 4: don't get a nickname the Truth.
Speaker 5: Without being one of them one.
Speaker 4: It's like that, that's no debate, like big Ticket, the Truth,
Speaker 4: the Glove, like you King Jane, like you look at
Speaker 4: you don't get those nicknames if you not one of
Speaker 4: them ones.
Speaker 5: And so I say, you flash like Shot Diesel.
Speaker 4: You look at the nicknames guys got like you gotta
Speaker 4: be one of them dudes.
Speaker 5: And if you're not one of them dudes, you don't
Speaker 5: get nicknames. It's just you know what, that's.
Speaker 1: Not true, like this error, where's the nickname? The nickname? Okay, joker,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 5: Like stuff don't really have a nick Yeah, he got
Speaker 5: a couple of things. People trying to throw.
Speaker 1: Out the cry like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Baby face assassin, and we've heard this stuff.
Speaker 5: Nicknames that's true, saying that's like this error.
Speaker 6: Don't like where the nick games, like and they going away.
Speaker 6: I think that's true.
Speaker 4: But you but you had to be one of them
Speaker 4: ones then to give absolutely and saying that you you
Speaker 4: you and I can agree you. You've spoken about being underrated,
Speaker 4: uh in NBA history for what you've done, the things
Speaker 4: that you accomplished. You also said you were you were
Speaker 4: better than Dwayne Wade. Where should you be ranked as
Speaker 4: far as that NBA history go. When you're talking about
Speaker 4: great two guards, like, where where would you put yourself
Speaker 4: in that?
Speaker 1: It's tough man?
Speaker 6: And the thing about Way and I will say this
Speaker 6: is one of the greatest players. I love watching him
Speaker 6: when I didn't play. But in all of this, I
Speaker 6: never brought way name up without it being brought to me.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 6: I never like came out and be like, oh, you know,
Speaker 6: that's when it's hat true. That's what I feel like.
Speaker 6: When it ain't brought to you and you just bring
Speaker 6: it up, I feel like that's hay. But I was like,
Speaker 6: but I'm gonna tell you this. That's who made me
Speaker 6: who I am because I felt like every time I
Speaker 6: step on the court, I was a playing like whether
Speaker 6: it was cold bron I felt for like one night
Speaker 6: I could be the best player that night and for
Speaker 6: me having that mentality, that's who made me who I am.
Speaker 1: So I said it on national.
Speaker 6: TV, and yeah, don't I don't have to acculade's way
Speaker 6: had you know, you're playing on better teams. But I'm
Speaker 6: not trying to discredit way Wade is an all time great.
Speaker 1: In my eyes, he's.
Speaker 6: Probably three two, three, four best two guards at all time.
Speaker 1: And so you know, some some of a TV.
Speaker 6: But I feel like I'm right there, I'm right there,
Speaker 6: Like it might be like, yeah, I'm right like some
Speaker 6: of these other guys like yeah, cold Bron, I think Wayne,
Speaker 6: I'm right there.
Speaker 4: I respect that, I respect that. I have one respect
Speaker 4: that and so and saying that, like you're right there.
Speaker 4: Do you think you know, like I don't know the
Speaker 4: full story of you being let or at ESPN. I
Speaker 4: know what I've heard, I know.
Speaker 5: What I think, But do you think, yeah, what I saw?
Speaker 4: But do you think those things like that thing for instance,
Speaker 4: and then being let go from ESPN and so on
Speaker 4: and so forth, do you think those things in retirement
Speaker 4: kind of hinders your name a little bit as a player,
Speaker 4: like the way people view you as a player, how
Speaker 4: great you were, Because one thing I do know is
Speaker 4: and even my journey. When you give people one little
Speaker 4: thing to latch on, they try to latch on that
Speaker 4: and minimize everything else that you've done.
Speaker 5: Do you think those things hurt.
Speaker 4: You in the sense of who you or how people
Speaker 4: speak about Paul player Paul Pierce the basketball player, because
Speaker 4: they intertwine the poker thing, the Instagram live and some
Speaker 4: a few things that you said when you were on ESPN.
Speaker 5: Do you think that hinders your name as a hooper.
Speaker 1: I think it's hindered my name amongst the young generation.
Speaker 6: But real hoopers know and people of my generation know,
Speaker 6: and so you're gonna get a little comment so like
Speaker 6: he wasn't shit, He wasn't he didn't play. But but
Speaker 6: that's not true. You go to YouTube, you can attack
Speaker 6: my character, you can attack me as a person, but
Speaker 6: don't tell me I was shit on the basketball court.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So I can live with that, And as a person
Speaker 6: who's always wore the black.
Speaker 1: Hat, I'm fine with that. Dray.
Speaker 6: I lived a great life. I've traveled the world because
Speaker 6: of basketball. I got four beautiful kids. And if I'm
Speaker 6: gonna hang on to what other people say about me
Speaker 6: and how they hinder my name. Oh well, you know what,
Speaker 6: I'm still living my life. I'm still living a dream
Speaker 6: and I can give a damn.
Speaker 1: What these people say. I think period.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I respect that, man, because I've kind of seen
Speaker 4: that in a different sense, Like people will attack my
Speaker 4: character as a man because of how I play basketball,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Even with like.
Speaker 5: The stuff that I just went through, you know, a couple.
Speaker 4: Of months ago or whatnot, It's like that was one
Speaker 4: of the things that kind of had me like, man,
Speaker 4: I don't really know if I wanted to do this
Speaker 4: no more, Like y'all y'all talking about like I got kids.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. My kids will go on YouTube.
Speaker 5: My kids.
Speaker 4: You know, my kids go to school, they got friends
Speaker 4: with a Warriors fan, and y'all attacking my character as
Speaker 4: a man.
Speaker 5: My kids got to listen to that, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like, one thing I know is you can feel how
Speaker 4: you want to feel me about me as a basketball player.
Speaker 5: You can say I suck. It's probably not true, but
Speaker 5: that's how you feel.
Speaker 1: Say what you want.
Speaker 4: You can say I rote Steph coketail cool, say all
Speaker 4: of those things, right, But when you start talking about
Speaker 4: the man that I am right like because of some
Speaker 4: I did in the lines of battle, like in between
Speaker 4: these lines, that to me kind of like that took
Speaker 4: me down.
Speaker 5: A little bit.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, hold on, man, like I'm
Speaker 4: not I'm not this guy y'all saying I am. That's
Speaker 4: you said that about the basketball player, because like you
Speaker 4: just said, I actually did a story with Howard Beck
Speaker 4: when we were just at the guard a few days ago,
Speaker 4: and you said earlier you said, I'm not the same
Speaker 4: person like when I'm playing and me the person.
Speaker 5: That's two different people.
Speaker 4: Funny enough, I was doing this this story with Howard Beck,
Speaker 4: and he was, you know, we're talking about the things
Speaker 4: that's happened where I am today, how I'm playing, and
Speaker 4: blah blah uh mentioned some around our test stuff in there.
Speaker 4: And I was talking to him and I kept like
Speaker 4: flipping back to these two people, like talking to him
Speaker 4: and in the mind of like me and basketball and
Speaker 4: then talking to him like in my normal mind. And
Speaker 4: I told him literally, as we're doing the interview, I said, Howard,
Speaker 4: I'm trusting you to not make me look as stupid
Speaker 4: as I sound right now, because that may sound like
Speaker 4: like I'm totally out of my mind right now. I
Speaker 4: keep telling you, like, well, this guy who's the basketball
Speaker 4: player thinks this, and this guy who's not the basketball
Speaker 4: player goes X, Y and Z, and so I really
Speaker 4: like I can sympathize with that, you know, and understand
Speaker 4: that from a different point of view, because I've gone
Speaker 4: through that, you know what I'm saying, And like, obviously
Speaker 4: I still get the opportunity to play. And when you
Speaker 4: get the opportunity to play, I always say, you get
Speaker 4: an opportunity to write the ship because winning cures all.
Speaker 4: Playing well cures all. But when you're not playing, people
Speaker 4: don't kind of give you that same grace no more.
Speaker 4: It's almost like it's almost like, Okay, I couldn't shit
Speaker 4: on you when you were playing because you was the truth.
Speaker 4: But now here's my chance on you because you're not
Speaker 4: playing no more. And now all you're going to like, okay,
Speaker 4: so they're gonna listen to your word. Well then people
Speaker 4: look at it like, well, it's my word against yours,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 6: Right right, ask you this though, like you all right,
Speaker 6: we're going I'm going off right here. You know, how
Speaker 6: many years are you in right now?
Speaker 5: I'm in your twelve?
Speaker 1: How many years do you think you want to play?
Speaker 5: Two? Three more?
Speaker 1: All right? In your last year? Are you going to
Speaker 1: announce this is your last year? Nah? Oh, you don't
Speaker 1: want no parallel too.
Speaker 4: I can't because somebody gonna do me like I Like
Speaker 4: I said to you, and then I'm fucked.
Speaker 6: To them games and ya the same thing you have
Speaker 6: to me. Listen, Please announce your last year.
Speaker 5: It's the only chance, the only chance my last year
Speaker 5: is announced that I'm halving the last year.
Speaker 4: If that last year it happens to co inside with
Speaker 4: Steph's last year, Yeah, Clay's last year, And if that's
Speaker 4: my last year, that's the only chance that it gets announced,
Speaker 4: because then I could ride Steph Cotel on his farewell tour.
Speaker 1: And that's like his man. By the way, I never
Speaker 1: asked for a fairreweal tour.
Speaker 6: And my farewell tour was in Boston because I know
Speaker 6: that's the only place they appreciate me.
Speaker 1: So that's why I gave away. That was my parawell two.
Speaker 1: Everywhere else I got booed.
Speaker 4: That's funny, now, I get I get that, I get
Speaker 4: I get booed all the time.
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 4: Hey, but before before we get out of here, two
Speaker 4: more things.
Speaker 5: Number one, I just want to let you know, yeah,
Speaker 5: I call game.
Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite interviews, like because you can
Speaker 4: tell in that moment and you tell me if I'm lying.
Speaker 4: But in that moment when I'm watching you talk, you
Speaker 4: like like like game, what I mean I can make
Speaker 4: like right game in that moment right there. That just
Speaker 4: came off the top.
Speaker 6: Of the dome, right off the top of the dog here,
Speaker 6: like I ain't hit no game winners before. Like like
Speaker 6: I looked at him. I was about to be like
Speaker 6: think like like he look at it. It's all just
Speaker 6: like cay and I walked off that was in I
Speaker 6: was like he wanted to ask me another question if
Speaker 6: you look at it.
Speaker 1: I walked up for like, man, here, I want to
Speaker 1: hear that ship. I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 5: That was eforic. That's one of my favorite interviews.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: Two more questions.
Speaker 4: You and KG y'all y'all always y'all talk about and
Speaker 4: shout out to y'all unplugged all the smoke productions, y'all.
Speaker 4: I love y'all doing y'all thing over there. Watch a
Speaker 4: lot of the stuff. Super dope what y'all got going.
Speaker 4: And I also think it's super dope to see you
Speaker 4: and Kg's bond like you know, even on top during
Speaker 4: that show, it looked like y'all looking out for each other,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And I think that's like,
Speaker 4: that's super dope because we go through these runs and
Speaker 4: people don't understand. Man, through these runs, you can sometimes
Speaker 4: build resentment.
Speaker 5: You run each other every day. Every day. You see
Speaker 5: the good in people, you see the bad in people.
Speaker 4: You see the rough day, you see the great day,
Speaker 4: you see the drastic difference in between the two.
Speaker 5: Stuff come up.
Speaker 4: And to see that bond you know, and what I've
Speaker 4: been able to build with Stephan Clay like to see
Speaker 4: that bond still like that, Man, that's special, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So you number one, you gonna understand
Speaker 4: that because you want with this group. Now, a lot
Speaker 4: of groups have bonds and they split in these teams,
Speaker 4: they don't.
Speaker 1: Have it forever bond. When you won, you know that bond.
Speaker 6: Is forever, you know what I'm saying, So not everybody
Speaker 6: get to experience that. You know, you be friends in
Speaker 6: the league and the league is over with, or y'all
Speaker 6: go to another team, you don't want to talk to nobody,
Speaker 6: even talk yo teammate. But when you win, that shit
Speaker 6: is forever. And but for the simple fact we live
Speaker 6: by each other. Our kids is going to the same school,
Speaker 6: so we always.
Speaker 1: Gonna have that.
Speaker 5: No, that's special.
Speaker 4: But y'all talk a lot about the NBA and how
Speaker 4: different it is in the League's what's what's the biggest
Speaker 4: difference to you, uh, in the league today than when
Speaker 4: y'all play.
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously the obvious off the top is just
Speaker 6: the defense of physicality of the game. You know, they
Speaker 6: don't allow as much holding and bumping and stuff, and
Speaker 6: they allow a lot of player movement. That's why you
Speaker 6: see the scoring is not only individual wise, but team wise.
Speaker 6: I mean you talk about I think when I was
Speaker 6: in the league, the team that led the league and
Speaker 6: scoring was like one hundred and three hundred and four points.
Speaker 6: Now you getting teams average on averages one hundred and fifteen,
Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty to the leaders. Just the physicality,
Speaker 6: It's like players can't play defense no more. You can't
Speaker 6: you your hands as much, bump as much, and it's
Speaker 6: allowing the offensive player to always have an advantage. And
Speaker 6: for the fact that players are getting more skilled. You know,
Speaker 6: players that all positions can handle the ball and shoot
Speaker 6: the ball extremely well, more athletic. But that's just how
Speaker 6: the game evolves and evolves every decade, every generation evolves it.
Speaker 1: It's it's good to see, man. I'm actually I actually
Speaker 1: enjoy it.
Speaker 6: I didn't like the All Star game, you know, I
Speaker 6: wish it was a little more competitive, But on the overall,
Speaker 6: I think the game is in a good place. The
Speaker 6: European players are really stepping up, showing.
Speaker 1: They got with it.
Speaker 6: Take and but I think the game is in a
Speaker 6: good place. I'm not sure if we'll ever see another
Speaker 6: dynasty again, the way the player movement is. You know,
Speaker 6: before you know, you have so much loyalty to one franchise,
Speaker 6: and you guys will probably be the last to stay
Speaker 6: with one franchise forever.
Speaker 1: But with the player.
Speaker 6: Movement, it'll be hard to see another dynasty. Which is great.
Speaker 6: You know, I think it's great because you have some
Speaker 6: newness to it every year. You ain't gonna have a
Speaker 6: team just overly dominated. Maybe it's good, maybe it's not.
Speaker 6: I like I like to see kind of like some
Speaker 6: uh some dynasty I liked and George y'all run, and
Speaker 6: you know, I think y'all still can have another run.
Speaker 6: Y'all still are dangerous in the playoffs, and so, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, that's that's the biggest difference I see most definitely.
Speaker 4: You just mentioned All Star game. I remember watching All
Speaker 4: Star games that you was in. How can how can
Speaker 4: we get that back? I lied to you, I said
Speaker 4: too much.
Speaker 6: I think it's start at the top, right. I think
Speaker 6: you gotta come from Lebron and KD. Because I remember
Speaker 6: Bron and Kobe like, look, we gotta get this in
Speaker 6: a in a huddle.
Speaker 1: And then you look over Kobe he picking up full court.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, he's see its.
Speaker 6: So now everybody else like, oh, we can't be bullshitting now,
Speaker 6: come on now, Cobe ain't playing. Hey, y'all, let's go, man,
Speaker 6: let's let's get this money.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I think it comes from the guys at the top,
Speaker 6: you know. And so if they come in here and
Speaker 6: you got Brian and step like a KD and and
Speaker 6: Joannis like let's play, let's go. Maybe y'all you know,
Speaker 6: for three quarters a week the fourth quarter, you knew
Speaker 6: it was gonna be on.
Speaker 1: And at least want to see.
Speaker 4: That absolutely, absolutely, and last but not least, Man, I
Speaker 4: can't help but notice these retired numbers behind your number
Speaker 4: and just being a part of you get your jerseys
Speaker 4: retired with the Boston Celtics. That ain't that ain't no,
Speaker 4: that ain't no small feet like, that's not a small
Speaker 4: feat your number being retired up there amongst those other grats. Man,
Speaker 4: just talk to me about that feeling, uh, the day
Speaker 4: when it happened. But also you know, every time you
Speaker 4: walk in that gym, those greats being one of those
Speaker 4: great just talk to me about that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I'm happy that all the hard work and the dedication
Speaker 6: I put to this game and the hours, the blood, sweat,
Speaker 6: tears I was able to put in that people didn't
Speaker 6: really get to see. They just saw the finished product
Speaker 6: on the court. That's what that is, you know. And
Speaker 6: nights when I'm waking up at three four in the
Speaker 6: morning and going for a run or going to the gym,
Speaker 6: that's what turned into that, you know, just sacrifice from
Speaker 6: not being around friends and family on special days Christmases,
Speaker 6: holidays and birthdays where you don't get to see people
Speaker 6: that you love. It's because of my grind and being
Speaker 6: in the league. And that's the stuff that people don't see,
Speaker 6: the sacrifices that we make as athletes and the dealing
Speaker 6: with this person need money or your best friend just
Speaker 6: got shot or I just lost my close homie. They
Speaker 6: don't understand, like it's more than what you see on
Speaker 6: the court for you to still keep your mind in
Speaker 6: the same frame to really steal keep going, whereas days
Speaker 6: you really want to stop, but you keep going. And
Speaker 6: that's what that equal. You know, me and here to
Speaker 6: walk into the garden and my number be there forever
Speaker 6: now that I was able to leave my legacy and
Speaker 6: left my mark not only with the Subjics, but the
Speaker 6: game of basketball, and so you know, being around having
Speaker 6: a check when he was there, when he was a
Speaker 6: live rest in peace, Bill Russell, and just doing it
Speaker 6: in front of them. It was just I wanted to
Speaker 6: be as great as I could and push myself to
Speaker 6: the limit. And you know that's a product of me
Speaker 6: getting my jersey retired, which I'm heavy and thankful for
Speaker 6: because I gave a game my life and heard that
Speaker 6: I missed out on a lot of things in life.
Speaker 6: So Drake, when you retire, it's more to life than
Speaker 6: Hoop's man, travel the world, enjoy your family.
Speaker 1: Man, so much more for us to see, man, And
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying retirement.
Speaker 5: That's incredible to hear.
Speaker 4: That means a lot, because it's the inevitable for all
Speaker 4: of us, right, like.
Speaker 5: We all gonna one day be out of this league.
Speaker 5: And to hear you know, we always hear the shit stories,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You always hear like, hey, man, it ain't and great
Speaker 4: over here, like enjoy that, and like, yeah, we want
Speaker 4: to enjoy it. But I actually am one like I
Speaker 4: look forward to retire, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 4: I ain't. I appreciate the NBA, and the NBA has
Speaker 4: allowed me to live an incredible life, to provide a
Speaker 4: great life for my family. But I'm excited for what's
Speaker 4: on the other side, you know. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like this to your point, this this job. Like if
Speaker 4: there's a wedding, you miss it. If there's a childbirth,
Speaker 4: you can possibly miss it. If there's a birthday, you
Speaker 4: miss it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: If there's a school assembly, you miss it. If there's
Speaker 4: a fella's trip in the month of March.
Speaker 5: You miss it. You know what I'm saying. If they're
Speaker 5: like you miss so much.
Speaker 1: First steps, like you know what I'm saying, it's like, damn.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I don't take it for granted, man, And I
Speaker 4: appreciate you hearing you say that.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you. Coming on the show means a lot.
Speaker 5: Says a lot about you.
Speaker 1: Number one. I got to share my side of the
Speaker 1: story finally.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, and I'm happy you let out with it.
Speaker 4: Before we go, Jackson, turn your video on. I just
Speaker 4: want you all to see Jackson fan out. You know
Speaker 4: this Celtics shit that got going on over here. All
Speaker 4: our listeners know Jackson is a huge Celtics fan.
Speaker 5: So this is a moment for.
Speaker 4: Jackson and Jackson how your moment. Go ahead and fucking
Speaker 4: fan out goddamn Celtics.
Speaker 7: Thanks man, Thanks DG.
Speaker 1: Paul.
Speaker 7: I was I was twelve when the Celtics one in
Speaker 7: two thousand and eight, so I was really right when
Speaker 7: I was coming into my true basketball fantom and basketball obsession.
Speaker 7: So I just want to say thank you for coming
Speaker 7: on the show. This is a really full circle moment
Speaker 7: for me. You were my favorite player back then, So
Speaker 7: thank you for coming on the show. I appreciate everything
Speaker 7: you did for the Celtics.
Speaker 6: All right, hey man, ash dra Mond was the game plan,
Speaker 6: not the guard Jaylen Brown the.
Speaker 5: Other day, it was it was the game plan.
Speaker 4: It was a host that he was going to shoot
Speaker 4: a bunch of shots, hijack the offense so that Jason.
Speaker 5: And by the way, Justin told you know, it actually
Speaker 5: was working.
Speaker 4: You looked at the score sheet at one point it
Speaker 4: was he was three for seven. JT had not taken
Speaker 4: the shot, Drew had not taken.
Speaker 5: The shot, and then all of a sudden, we on offense.
Speaker 4: We were awful, and we weren't moving the ball to passing,
Speaker 4: and they started.
Speaker 5: Getting out in transition.
Speaker 4: JT hit the three, Drew hit the three, and then
Speaker 4: it looked like the game plan made no sense, but
Speaker 4: it actually made sense, and I think it could.
Speaker 5: Have won fifty two points later it didn't work, y'all.
Speaker 1: Meeting the finals this year, y'all need to scrap that
Speaker 1: game plan.
Speaker 4: I don't think we're gonna go with it in the finals.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's going I don't think I don't
Speaker 4: think it's gonna go in the finals. But I tell
Speaker 4: you what for both of you, two Celtics, Celtics ledger,
Speaker 4: Celtics fan, I'll tell you what. Walking in the other
Speaker 4: day them Booze ain't as loud as they was. Fell
Speaker 4: as they are, not as loud as they are.
Speaker 1: Not as loud.
Speaker 5: Truth.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you, brother, thank you for coming on the
Speaker 4: show man. Love Yeah sure, love bro, no doubt