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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Well, we've been waiting.

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Speaker 1: We've been waiting to try to find out what actually

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Speaker 1: happened to Eliza Fletcher. Now we've got those answers. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Bags with Me.

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Speaker 1: Is my friend Jackie Howard, executive producer for Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Jackie, we've been waiting that, we been

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Speaker 1: waiting to finally get some detailed answers relative to what

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Speaker 1: happened to lots of Fletcher, what brought about her death specifically,

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Speaker 1: We've heard a lot out there. Now we finally have

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Speaker 1: some details, don't we. We do. Lies of Fletcher, thirty

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Speaker 1: four year old teacher from Memphis went missing during a

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Speaker 1: pre dawn run and she was killed. Her body was

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Speaker 1: found four days later. What we know now is that

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Speaker 1: she died a very violent death. We already had intimations

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Speaker 1: so we did know that she had a very violent death.

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Speaker 1: The information that's coming out with the release of the

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Speaker 1: autopsy shows us just how violent that was. But before

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Speaker 1: many times can you explain to me what it is

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Speaker 1: how do you read these things? Well, you have to.

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Speaker 1: You have to think of it first off as a map.

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Speaker 1: I think that allows us to determine the direction which

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Speaker 1: that's kind of the way an autopsy report works. When

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Speaker 1: the body that is detailed in this document plays a

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Speaker 1: part in the totality of the story. And it's even

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Speaker 1: got an introduction. And then in most autopsies they will

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Speaker 1: And the beauty of this is that you've got this

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Speaker 1: many times attorneys and judges are not a big fan

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Speaker 1: of showing like overly grotesque images. Well, there's nothing grotesque

431
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: about an X ray. Okay, you just throw it up there,

432
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: you say, well, this is where all the lead is.

433
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: You can see it demonstrated right here, and it's a

434
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: beautiful way to illustrate things, and you can illustrate trajectory

435
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: sometimes with it to depend upon how good the X

436
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: ray is. So another fascinating thing about this that if

437
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: you're reading ALLIES as autopsy report, it talks about internal

438
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: and external beveling. Yeah, I know, in't that fascinating. It's

439
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: an interesting term because you think about beveled wood. For instance,

440
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: like if you've got border on your floor adjacent to

441
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: a carpet surface or whatever that's you have that that

442
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: piece of wood down there, and it will be beveled.

443
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: That means it has a curvature to it. Well, say,

444
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: for instance, let's let's talk about an entrance wound. Okay,

445
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: if you have an entrance wound, the projectile passes through

446
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: follow me, now, passes through the exterior of the skull,

447
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: and as that bullet is going through that little defect

448
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: that it has made, the internal table skull will literally

449
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: blow out that bone fractures, and when it does, the

450
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: interior of the wound will be beveled. It will have

451
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: a curvature to it around there, And it's kind of

452
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: fascinating because it's one of the ways if we just

453
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: find a free standing skull or free line skull if

454
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: you will, and we have holes in the skull. If

455
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: we have beveling on either either aspect, we can determine

456
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: what is the entrance and what is the exit. And

457
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: that's how we do that with the skull. So with

458
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: the entrance wound, you'll have internal beveling where it blows out,

459
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: goes into the brain. You know, you'll get those little

460
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: bits of bone that will track along that trajectory. And

461
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: then as the bullet exits, as it exits, another fascinating

462
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: point here, you get external bevling. So in Eliza's case,

463
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: when this projectile exited out of her frontal bone, it

464
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: blew out that part of the skull and it left

465
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: external beveling around that area, and that tells us that

466
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: this was in fact the exit. One another interesting point

467
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: that came out in the autopsy, and again we know

468
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: this poor woman suffered a very violent, brutal death, is

469
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: the actual physical injuries to her body. We know that

470
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: the car when she was forced into the vehicle, it

471
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: sat in the same position for about four minutes. We

472
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: saw that on the surveillance video. And I guess you

473
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: would have to imagine what was going on at that time.

474
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: And as the autopsy shows, she had blunt force injuries

475
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: to her thighs and to her head, and her jaw

476
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: was broken in several places, I think, and you know,

477
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: my my opinion, dollar nine sense gets cup coffee some places.

478
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: But in my opinion, what really stands out to me

479
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: is this maxilla fracture. And our maxilla is not the

480
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: lower jawbone. It's actually where the hard pallett is seated,

481
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, our upper teeth, the area below the nose.

482
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: She had what was diagnosed as as actually a lafft

483
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: to ford to fracture. And just imagine, Okay, I'm sorry,

484
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm going You've got to explain that where that word,

485
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 1: where did it come from? What is it? What does

486
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: it mean? Well, that la Fort is just a he's

487
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: it's a person in the distant past that made this

488
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: initial finding. Yeah, and this is sometimes called a pyramidal fracture.

489
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: And if you imagine the shape of a pyramid and

490
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: being truck in your hard palate, okay, in your well,

491
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: in your maxilla, which is the upper upper portion of

492
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, your jaw, if you will, it's not you know,

493
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: the jaw is actually the mandible mandibles lower than upper

494
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: maxilla max above. Struck in that area and head along, okay,

495
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: multiple times, probably then the bones in your face that

496
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: make up this maxillary area are actually going to fracture developmentally,

497
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: starting all the way back in the wound, your body

498
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: began to kind of fuse together. Your skull did. And

499
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: many times you'll have these fracture lines along these weaker areas,

500
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: and if you're struck in the face multiple times, that area,

501
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: in the shape of a pyramid, will begin a fracture. Now,

502
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: this this fracture itself wasn't complete, but most of the

503
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: time if somebody sustains this look Ford fracture, there's a

504
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: level one, you get up to level two. Most of

505
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: the time they arrive they arrived at the hospital unconscious.

506
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: It's that powerful. It takes a tremendous amount of force

507
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: to facilitate this. And so she sustained that injury, and

508
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: it wasn't completely fractured into but it was fractured enough

509
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: so that you know it had begun to separate. And

510
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, when they began to examine allows his remains,

511
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: they were able to, you know, make that assessment that

512
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: that was in fact the tough fracture that she had

513
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: sustained and that she had, and that's in addition to

514
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: other things. And again I have to make note of this.

515
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: Her body has been down in the west tendency heat

516
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: for protracted period of time. Protracted in a sense that

517
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: as those of us that live in the South, things

518
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: don't last a long time outside though, the environment just

519
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: absolutely attacks you and death. And that's unfortunately what happened

520
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: to her. So some of the things that you might

521
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: normally find, say, you know, areas of hemorrhage and that

522
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: sort of thing, are slightly impromised as a result of

523
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: decompositional changes. I think that would be real difficult to say, well,

524
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: she was struck here here and here by virtue of

525
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: some kind of contusions she might have had on her face.

526
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: This type of injury would have to come from being beaten.

527
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: This type of injury comes as a result of bluenforced trauma.

528
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: This is not something that just kind of spontaneously happens.

529
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: And this is not this is not a fracture in

530
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: this area that would be associated, to say, with the

531
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: firem's blast. This is something that would have probably probably

532
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: happened anti mortem, and we all know, you know, listening

533
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: to body bags and any mortal means before death. And

534
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: it's I think at least you know you we had

535
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: mentioned that there was time spent in this vehicle. This

536
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: is a submission kind of thing. Let me think about it.

537
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: You're trying to get an individual to submit to you.

538
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 1: You've snatched this poor woman off of the street and

539
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: brought her into this vehicle where you can can roller world.

540
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to be in a vehicle with you,

541
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: and so how are you going to get her to submit? Well,

542
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna pop her in the face. And then you know,

543
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: she's got this horrible contusion lateral aspect of a right thigh,

544
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: and lateral means the outside, you know, the media is

545
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: like in the middle, you know, so like inner thought,

546
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: this is lateral. So for some reason, she has this

547
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: really nasty contusion to bruise and it existed long enough

548
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: so that it it was in the subcutaneous tissue, which

549
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: means below the skin. And this isn't just something that's

550
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 1: kind of a surface event. This is something that has leached.

551
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: The hemorrhages leached down into the underlying tissue. And you

552
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: begin to think about that. So she's getting struck in

553
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: multiple locations, I think at least probably to try to

554
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: get her to submit the injury that she has, you know,

555
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: to to her face. That that injury that's related to

556
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: that fracture, that's you know, that's that's the kind of

557
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: thing that you'd see with somebody, you know, being unbuckled

558
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: in a car accident and slamming their face into a dashboard,

559
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: steering wheel or something, you know, or getting hit with

560
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: a heavy object in the face. It takes that kind

561
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: of energy. The perpetrator in this case was attempting to

562
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: get her to submit to his wants. I think, probably

563
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: from me, the most shocking thing about this examination and

564
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: what the medical examiner found, what was the fact that

565
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: Eliza had final in her system. And I'm just blown

566
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: away by that. I can't, you know, kind of wrap

567
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: my mind around that or why in the world would

568
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: this mother, this is why have this drug in her system?

569
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: To explain that comment show, you're going to have to

570
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: explain to us what fentnel is and what it does

571
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: to a body and why this active runner who ran

572
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken eight point two miles a day,

573
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: this is not something that she would be using. Lord knows,

574
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: I can't even begin to imagine somebody that is performing

575
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: physically at her level would ever have fentnyl in their

576
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: system for anything. I can't imagine no fentnyl itself. It's

577
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: a narcotic, all right. It's been used over the years

578
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: to control pain with essentially, and of course now it's

579
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: it is absolutely positively the scourge of our society at

580
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: this point. We've got people dying of this stuff left

581
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: and right out on the streets. There have been tales

582
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: of police officers going to and this is how deadly

583
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: it is. Police officers pulling over cars that have finel

584
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: inside of them, that open up a bag and just

585
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: merely inhalation, slight inhalation of the dust that comes up

586
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: out of the bag is enough to put grown men

587
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: in the hospital. It is. It's a nasty, nasty drug,

588
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: and the stuff is being manufactured out there, and for

589
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: some reason Aliza had this, this agent in her system.

590
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: And I can't, you know, begin to imagine that this

591
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: is something that she's going out and buying on the

592
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: street that I don't think that that's even within the

593
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: realm of possibility in this case, it seems to me

594
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: that this is something that the perpetrator applied to her

595
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: in some way. The autopsy report really doesn't give us

596
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: an indication as to the application. If you will, it

597
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: can be taken in a pill form, and certainly there

598
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: are any number of cases out there that we're finding

599
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: on the streets where people are suddenly dying of fentol

600
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: related deaths because it's mixed with other drugs that you

601
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: might encounter out on the street, almost as like backfilling

602
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: drugs with this this other drug, and it it makes

603
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: for a lethal cocktail. And in this particular case, she

604
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: had it on board. What's fascinating about it is the

605
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: fact that she had it on board to the point

606
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: where it wasn't just like they had found. And you

607
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: can look in the autopsy report to read read this through.

608
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: There was not a remnant of what they referred to

609
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: as particulate pill matter in her gastroc content. She had food,

610
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, inter stomach and this sort of thing, but

611
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: what she had it to the point in her system

612
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: where it had begun to metabolize. So, taking that thought,

613
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: and let's kind of expand on that a bit. Taking

614
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: that thought, she would have had to have been administered

615
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: this drug, which would arguably put her in, if not

616
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: a comatose state, certainly a dream like state that, again,

617
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: going back to this idea of compliance, would make her

618
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: totally incompletely compliant to whatever the wishes of this perpetrator

619
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: would have been. It had begun to break down. So

620
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: not only did you have the finnyl, you had north

621
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: fenyl that was in there. In the north finyl is

622
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: actually a metabolite. This is evidence that the drug had

623
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: begun to break down and be metabolized into the system.

624
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: What made this doubly difficult for the medical examiner is that,

625
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: and this is a practice that we do would severely

626
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: decomposed bodies. You're not always going to be able to

627
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: take a blood sample that's going to be effective in

628
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: running toxicology. So when it comes to allies in her

629
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: particular case, they had to draw up once referred to

630
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: as decompositional fluid, and this is fluid that will be

631
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: mixed with blood, but you'll also have remnant of the

632
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: cells beginning to degrade and they begin to liquefy. It's

633
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: very tough to break decompositional fluid down into components, so

634
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: that you can begin to kind of study what's in there.

635
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: But it's something that people at our forensics labs do

636
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: and they do regularly, and they did, in fact, fine

637
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: fentyl and north fenyl in her system, along with caffeine

638
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: and another component that's consistent with probably eating chocolate more

639
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: than likely. But they One of the things that we

640
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: do in cases of not having access to blood or

641
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: maybe urine in order to facilitate a drug test is

642
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: that we will take samples of the liver spin it down.

643
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Speaker 1: So essentially a slice of the liver, decomposing liver will

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Speaker 1: be placed into a centrifuge and it will be spun

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Speaker 1: down till it can be liquefied and and that will

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Speaker 1: be drawn up and then you run that for toxicology.

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting about fentyl is that for all practical purpose,

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00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: that spentyl is essentially processed through the liver, and so

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00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: you would have you would have a concentration of it.

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Speaker 1: There we give you an indication. And this is where

651
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: history comes in. You begin to speak to her family.

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Speaker 1: First off, who's her treating physician. Is there any history

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Speaker 1: that this treating physician at any point in time has

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Speaker 1: prescribed her fentyl. The remaining finding in this autopsy that

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Speaker 1: has many people confused is that the assumption had been

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Speaker 1: made that Eliza Fletcher had been raped. Her clothing was

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00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: found her shorts specifically was found off her body in

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Speaker 1: another location, Yet the autopsy does not confirm or deny

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Speaker 1: that Eliza Fletcher was raped. To say that someone is

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Speaker 1: raped at an autopsy is not necessarily something that you

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Speaker 1: can solely confirm with the autopsy results. The physician, per

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00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: their examination will note any kind of trauma that might

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Speaker 1: have existed. And if you've got a person that is

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Speaker 1: essentially compliant, if there's you know, if they've been knocked

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Speaker 1: unconscious with either through physical violence, which you know, we've

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00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: got some evidence that there was physical violence, you know,

667
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Speaker 1: with a bruising on the on the thigh, and then

668
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: we've got this horrible facial fracture that's taken place. And

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Speaker 1: then at a chemical level, you've got a drug that

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00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: would certainly make somebody compliant. You're not necessarily going to

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00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: have evidence of a forced event when it comes to

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00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: sexual salt, Okay, So it's at that point that you're

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Speaker 1: still going to do a rape kit, and in her case,

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Speaker 1: they did they were able to do swabs that are

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Speaker 1: normally done in a rape kit. The purpose for the

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Speaker 1: for the swabs is to first off, see if there

677
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Speaker 1: is any ejaculate at all where you would expect to

678
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: find it in the case of a rape, all right,

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Speaker 1: and the swabs are immediately removed. The swabs are actually

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00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: you take and you do a smear which goes on

681
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Speaker 1: to a slide and of course you know they're going

682
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Speaker 1: to pop that under a microscope per the examination and

683
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Speaker 1: see if there's any sperm that might be there. And

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00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: in in cases where you have an acute event where

685
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Speaker 1: you you have somebody that comes in the hospital they

686
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: say they've been raped, they do a rape exam, and

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Speaker 1: you have in dwelling semen uh, and they take that sample.

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Speaker 1: You know, the semen might still be viable at that

689
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Speaker 1: point in time because sometimes you can tell a lot

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Speaker 1: about the perpetrator based upon that. So if you got

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Speaker 1: an acute event and somebody you know, the sperm or

692
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: are there lack thereof, there might be an indication of

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Speaker 1: of of impotence uh. And you know, you can certainly

694
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Speaker 1: do a DNA profile in a case like that. In

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Speaker 1: this case, Liza's body was greatly decomposed. I don't know

696
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Speaker 1: how much success you would have with that. And also

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Speaker 1: the other fact you have to think is did a

698
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: perpetrator use condom when they were assaulting her? And that

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00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: means that any kind of semen that may have been

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Speaker 1: left behind would have been captured in the condom and

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00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: that would have been removed and taken taken away. That

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Speaker 1: all has to factor into your into your thoughts. I

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00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: know that they did nail clippings and nail scraping, so

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Speaker 1: we're looking at autopsy. We're trying to find any kind

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Speaker 1: of trace evidence that might be beneath the fingernails, you know,

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00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: like in an attempt to fight a perpetrator off, to

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Speaker 1: get them off of you. And in the Liza's case,

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Speaker 1: was she you know, you have to ask the question

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Speaker 1: was she capable at this point? If a sexual assault

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Speaker 1: was in fact perpetrated against her, was she conscious enough

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Speaker 1: in order to be able to facilitate fending awesome one?

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Speaker 1: And certainly that's a question that will have to be

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Speaker 1: asked and answered. A suspect again has been charged in

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Speaker 1: Eliza Fletcher's murdered that case has not yet gone to trial.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body backs