WEBVTT - Devi Brown Taps Into Spiritual Practices, Mindfulness, Healthy Boundaries, Self Acceptance + More 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:05.720 Wait that answer in the morning Breakfast Club Morning, Everybody's 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:09.720 DJ Envy angela Ye, Charlemagne the guy we are the 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.200 breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the ballots, right, 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.920 this divine being having a human experience, Master, well being, educator, 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:20.799 doom to keep going. Oh. She has many teaching certifications. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.200 She has many teaching certifications including meditation, breathwork and the Child, 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.800 healing and spiritual psychology. She's an energy healer. She hosting 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.800 leaves many spiritual spiritual retreats a year. She teaches in 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.760 God's Delhi Meditations on the Choper app. She advises on 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.640 well being and teaches mindfulness for several corporations. She's an 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:40.800 author of a book called Crystal Bliss, and she holds 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.360 a podcast on the black Back podcast network called Dropping 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.919 Gems It's My Good System. And she has a four 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.280 year old that is taller than Charlemagne. That is a fact. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:55.480 DEMI gods are you talking about? Quest is a big 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.840 little boy? That is a fact. Yes, welcome, I come mon, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:06.319 good morning. How are you, Debbie. I'm incredible. I feel incredible. Okay, 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.720 this moment in time is a lot, but it's also 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.320 there's magic in it. For all of us. What makes 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.560 you feel so incredible? You know, I think I'm excited 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.679 about where we all get to be in our lives 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.240 in this moment, Like this is the first time ever 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.840 in human history that we've all been able to become 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.800 higher versions of ourselves, like so many at a time. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.119 We all have more resources, more support for mental health, 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.399 more support for emotional health. So it's like even when 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:36.759 I get to see friends I haven't seen in a while, 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.880 like I feel like we get to meet each other 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.080 at new levels. You know, we get to have deeper 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.480 conversations with the people that we love. We get to 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:49.040 be you know, just set our boundaries, be ourselves. People 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:53.120 that say, what are you talking about? Debbie does And 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:56.320 we're in a recession, interest rates at all time high, 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.160 but you still find a positive out of it, you 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.280 know what it? Life is both the human experience. We're 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.600 always oscillating between these two ends of the spectrum, joy 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.639 and grief. And I think that, you know, the viewpoint 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.760 I have of it, and something I really had to 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.960 come into in the pandemic was the moments that feel 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:19.240 like joy. I have to let myself feel all of it, 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.880 you know, I want every inch of delight when it's present, 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.839 because life is hard, life is challenging. Like we walk 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.800 to the table with so many things that we've experienced 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.480 that no one knows about, and then we're alive right 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.760 now with you know, it is what it is, all 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.280 the things happening. So when I get a chance to 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.040 be with people I love, when I get a chance 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:42.440 to do anything that sparks in my spirit, I try 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:47.000 to feel every single piece of it. There are times 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.880 when people feel guilty too, because they may be experiencing 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.040 a lot of positivity, but there's so much going on 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.200 around you that you don't feel like you can even 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.360 celebrate that. Yeah, yeah, And I think it's important too, 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.839 because that's what allows us to sustain. Like, I think 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.160 the thing we've all gotten so wrong about the human 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.320 experience is like everyone thinks that the goal is always 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.239 supreme happiness and that if it's not that, then those 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.200 are the periods of your life you don't really sit 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.880 with or look at or talk about. But we need 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.760 the grief, we need the pain and dressed as much 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.200 as we need everything else. So you know, even in 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.639 the midst of the moment of time we're having now 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:27.160 where everything is crazy, and it's been crazy, you know, 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.280 It's I wake up every day and I'm just like, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.800 but how can I fuel my fire? How can I 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.120 keep that internal oven inside of me just constantly going 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.480 from myself, from my life for my child? Can we 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.960 go back to It's like almost the beginning, right because 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.760 when you think of you know, Dev Dev, A lot 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.160 of us probably know DEVI Deaf from radio. You know, 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.880 we started DEVII Dev. You know I met you at 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.760 k D in La and like oh seven and you 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.760 know you on Sway Show. But it's like you've always 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.480 been this spiritually connected person. When do you when do 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.840 you like first remember that like connection to a higher power? 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.760 You know, I think so many things play into that. 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.000 I think by nature, I'm an only child raised by 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.800 a single parent, which is a certain kind of experience 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.400 that kind of keeps you in your head a lot. 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:18.440 So I think that was a piece of it. But 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:23.520 I've always just been fascinated by transformation of any kind. 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:25.960 Like I was definitely reading self help books as a 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.520 little girl. I was just so interested in what made 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:36.320 people themselves but also what kept people from becoming themselves. Now, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.440 one time you decided to give this all up right, yeah, 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.240 you would. You were very successful doing radio. You were 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.839 in Houston, they were talking about syndication, you were talking 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.680 about moving back to la and then you said you 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.919 were one of the best radio personality in the country. 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:50.560 I mean's still one of the best personalities, but you 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.719 were on the radio as one of the best personalities 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.400 in the country. And then you said, thank you, I'm 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:57.960 done with this. Well what made you say, you know what, 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.919 I don't want to do this anymore? What? What was? 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.720 Why are you clinching yourself like that they need to 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.600 hear this this morning? You know, it was a couple 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:13.159 of things. I think the amazing thing about the show 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.720 that y'all do is you guys have established something so 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.040 rare and different than has ever been I think in broadcasting. 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:21.960 And you guys get to show up as your full 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.320 selves at work. You get to have the conversations that 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.480 matter to you. Where I was when I was doing 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:31.720 radio that had started becoming so closed off. You know, 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.080 at one point when I was working in radio, I 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.440 was able to have meaningful conversations like I went viral 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.559 with Kanye, went viral with Kendrick talking about mental health. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.040 And then you know, the powers that be they just 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.120 say talk less, talk less, you know, where I used 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:48.800 to have a talk break where I could really connect it, 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.240 but like do that in eleven seconds, but say the 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.279 whole liner, you know. And it's just I just felt 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.279 like I wasn't able to use this gift of communication 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.440 at the level that God really commanded of me, at 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.600 the level that felt fulfilling to me, And so I 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.920 knew that I needed to find I wanted to have 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:11.719 different conversations, and I think you know, when I left radio, 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:16.800 that was like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, so the kind 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.960 of conversations I was having weren't really popular at the time. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.919 Like I wanted to kind of talk about some of 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.280 the darker stuff. I wanted to talk about some of 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.919 the more complicated, complex things, and I just kind of 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.440 do that on the terrestrial radio. I was at like 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.560 I remember one of my bosses at the time was like, 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.560 I want you to start doing a segment about groupies 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.640 where you take callers and ask them what celebrities they 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.000 slept with Jesus, And I was like, sir, do you 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.520 know me at all? It's like, well, I can't do that, 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.600 so let me let me find my place, and you know, 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.280 I wanted to have more adventure. Like I at that point, 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:55.440 I knew spirituality was the leading leading journey emission for 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.080 my life, and so I just said, I have to 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:02.240 invest everything about myself to that. Let me ask you this, 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.080 you did say back then, those conversations weren't as popular 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.599 as they are now. And definitely now I feel like 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.960 people are having those conversations about spirituality, about mental health 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.560 a lot more. But there's so many different conflicting things, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.000 so much information out there, so many people that you're like, Okay, 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.000 who do I listen to? Who do I trust? Who 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.960 do I believe? Right? So how do people manage to 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.440 kind of filter through all of that noise? That is 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.560 so good? Because it is like the wild West out here, 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.800 like it really is, Like you know, I think everybody 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.320 should vet everyone that they talk to. And I think 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.400 what's really important is there is this kind of split 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.680 between people that are enthusiasts and are sharing processes that 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.120 maybe worked really well for their individual lives. But we 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.080 all have complex lives. We all have so many experiences 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.680 that made us us. So I think it's just really 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.280 important to connect with people that are deeply studied that 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.400 are experts in this space, you know, work with people 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:04.400 who have embodied what they're saying, not just sharing maybe 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.720 the tips and tricks or not just you know, saying 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.240 the things of like I read this book and it 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.880 said this, but who has been applying it to their 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.240 life in a way that it's transformed them and this 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.000 is their way of being? Those are always the people 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.880 I'm like kind of guide more in that direction. And 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.200 I believe in a holistic view. I think if you know, 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.800 for anybody listening that feels called to a healing journey 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.960 or any kind of like internal exploration, you have to 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.800 do it from mind, body, and spirit. You know, therapy 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:36.800 is incredible and it's one of the foundational steps, but 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:40.200 you also need everything else. You need body practice, you 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:44.480 need something that really feeds and grows and builds your spirit. Like, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.319 we can't just do one thing. It has to be 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:50.680 an integrated approach to have real transformation. Can we expound 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.440 on that? I remember you telling me that you know 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.400 years ago use this Like, you know, therapy is great, 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.120 and I'm glad you in therapy, but you need more 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.480 than just therapy to transform your life. Like, exactly does 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.800 that look like? So even with therapy, there's so many 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.680 different kinds of therapy, and I think a lot of people, 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.120 especially now, because we're just so new to all of this, 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.080 everyone goes to cognitive therapy, which is kind of like 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:16.199 the standard talk therapy. For some people, that is actually 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.320 not the best option. Depending on what you are company 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:23.080 the table with, potentially what kind of traumas or experiences 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:27.040 you've had, you may need somatic therapy, you may need DBT, 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:31.000 you may need all these different styles. And so that's 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.200 why I say, like, also get creative with it. When 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.000 you're on your journey and you start to feel maybe 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.720 a little stuck, something isn't working, start exploring, start googling, 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:43.680 start asking more questions. But the piece about therapy is 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.760 it keeps you in your head. It helps you understand 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.439 yourself and the things that have happened, and it gives 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.800 you the language to talk about it. But it doesn't 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:58.640 always give you the opportunity to live this new knowing. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.920 At point, it can be really powerful to invite in 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.920 like spiritual practice or a self care practice, so that 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:11.000 you are applying acceptance to yourself, You're applying loving to yourself. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.640 You know, it's one thing to know everything, but to 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.480 know everything and still love yourself, to know everything and 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.319 come into compassion for the people that have harmed you. 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.319 It takes many different processes. And you know, you're you're 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.920 a master well being educator. You have you know a 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.200 lot of certification. What does that look like too for 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:31.760 people who would be like, oh, how do I know 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.280 she just didn't read a book like you actually invested 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.640 in yourself with this. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I've read 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.200 a lot of books and I've done a lot of 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.000 process on myself. This is also you know, probably fifteen 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:45.720 years of therapy on myself, a lot of working with 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.839 healing practitioners all over the world. But yeah, I dedicated 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.000 really the last ten years of my life. Even while 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.720 I was still in radio, I was also enrolled in 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:59.360 different programs and just amassing my knowledge, you know. My 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.800 thing was and and I really encourage anybody listening for 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.320 whatever field you're in, if you're called to something, if 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.960 you know it's something that you know, not just in 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:09.480 the way we used to say it, like you do 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.720 it if it was for free, No, if it's something 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.520 that you're curious about, like you're always thinking about it, 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.720 you're always trying to find different facets of it, invest 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.480 in yourself. You know, I knew this was my path. 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.920 I knew I was called to help people heal, to 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.120 help alleviate internal suffering. And I didn't want to just 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.000 do it from a place of like motivation and positivity. 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.840 I wanted to really know what is the deep process 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.200 of transformation? And also what are all the things that 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.199 people are facing? You know, what are things that keep 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.360 what are the barriers that are in place for different 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:45.360 kinds of people that keep them from healing? And what 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.120 books helped you? What helped you on your journey? Oh God, 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:52.400 so many things, so many books. I think one of 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.040 the books that I love and I speak to this 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.880 book a lot. But it's simple, it's short, but it 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.800 is powerful and can be used on a daily basis 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.400 is The Seven Spiritual Laws with Success by Deepak Chopra. 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.840 What I love about that book is it really expands 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.680 your understanding of what life could be like if you 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.120 really come into a place of surrender of trust that 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:20.720 everything that was unfolding is ultimately for your highest good, 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.240 even the things that may not have received your consent, 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.280 even the things that still feel like an open wound 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:33.760 coming into acceptance of that and then really alcomizing all 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.960 that life has given you to transform, to create, to 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:43.240 have new possibilities. That book really gave me, like the 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:48.040 zoomed out expanded view of what could be essentially brought 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.680 up Deepak Chopra, I want to talk about Dear Prime 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:55.599 showed the sessions. Yes, yeah, Daymond Green on now in particular, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.640 So you're talking about just the mental well being and 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.120 so being able to focus right with Jraymond Green. Why 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.240 in particular do you think athletes need to focus on 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.040 something like this and how do you think it helped them? Gosh, 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.280 I think it's so important. First, like religion of sports 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:17.880 came up with this phenomenal concept. This is their beautiful 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.360 body of work. They tell really powerful stories, and it 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.199 was myself and it was Deepak and we were in 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:28.439 this really beautiful process with Draymond. What I think is 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.480 so important about that not just from the athletic lens, 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.480 but from the masculinity lens, Like I think this is 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:40.120 really a moment of divine masculinity, of men's transformative healing, 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:44.079 of men's kind of awakening, and so the opportunity to 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:50.280 kind of work with someone who already has such ingrained dedication, discipline, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.520 knowledge of their body, knowledge of themselves. I thought was 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.880 a really amazing experience because then we just got to 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.400 go in and kind of chisel a little bit, you know, 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.520 kind of fine tune the process. How receptive was he 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:07.800 to this at first? So receptive, like so receptive he 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.360 came in and it was just it was just a 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.800 joy and a privilege to work with Draymond because he 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.920 is so smart, so self aware already. And he came 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.040 in saying, and if you watch the show, Deepak asked him, 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.560 you know, where are you at on an emotional level, 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.080 from you know, one to ten? And I think he 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.360 said he was a four. And then Deepak said, well, 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.160 then you're suffering, you know, And we don't always look 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.360 at that when everything else is amazing in our lives, 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.680 or if you're super successful, got all of this, you know, 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.960 acclaim opportunity that piece. You know, we often just say like, 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.640 oh yeah, I feel it there. It's like a little 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.640 seed in the pit of my stomach or sometimes in 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.320 my heart, but I'll pad everything else around it. And 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.200 you know, he came into the experience like, Okay, how 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.720 does this work? Tell me? X Y and Z and 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.400 then by you know, by the later part of our 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.360 sessions when we were meeting, he was like, Okay, so 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.120 I've read this book. I've read this book. I've read 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.680 this book. I understand it like this, and he was 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.600 just really ready to feel things that maybe he hadn't 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.400 felt before. Oh, I want to get back to the 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.360 sessions on Amazon, but I want to talk about the 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:16.040 connection with Deepak, because I call you Tupac Cholber, right, 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.560 and so to see you and Deepak actually working together now, 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.960 I was like surreal in a lot of ways. How 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.200 did that connection happen? Oh, my God, surreal? So godly. 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:29.920 You always got to listen to the whispers of God, 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.160 you know. I feel like when you can really get 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.920 into a space of following the flow of where life 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.240 wants to lead you and not where you're trying to 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:41.680 make it go, miracles happen. And so you know, with Deepac, 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.840 I was absolutely a student of his work and just 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.200 I was so transformed. Deepac has written over ninety books 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.920 in his lifetime, Like his depth of knowledge is so massive. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.480 So it really started where I was burned out. I 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.080 was working in radio, like we talked about in my twenties, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.960 and I ended up getting shingles, which is highly painful 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.560 for anybody that's had it, but it's also specifically something 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:09.600 you don't get to like your seventies and your eighties. 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.280 I had it in my twenties and I was like, 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.960 this life isn't sustainable, like clearly, like for people that 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.920 don't know, I don't know what it is. So shingles 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.240 is a virus that lays dormant in your body after 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.680 you have the chicken pox, and it's typically something that 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.800 doesn't manifest until you are in your elderly years, but 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.760 it can be brought forward with a lot of stress, 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.040 and it is very painful. It often presents as like 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.320 a big rash somewhere for a length of time, and 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:41.440 no medicine alleviates the pain. For me, it felt like 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:46.600 there was a frozen ice pick stabbing you in your nerve, 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:52.440 really painful. Um. And so this was like, you know, 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.480 ten years ago, and I went online and I just 0:16:55.680 --> 0:17:01.920 typed in like detox, help retreat something, and the first 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.399 thing that popped up was a photo of DPAC and 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.800 it was for his health center. And so I ended 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.600 up going on a ten day detox retreat and it 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.840 changed everything about my life, and I ended up doing 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.640 so many of the programs that Chopra offered, which eventually 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.199 led me to do their teacher training program and get 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.720 certified in meditation. And so our relationship was really just 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.919 growing and building, And when Chopra Global launched about two 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.360 years ago, I ended up coming on board as their 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.440 chief Impact Officer and leading some of their initiatives. Was 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:35.119 that pressure? What does that mean? I wasn't pressure. Did 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.119 you feel pressure once you were in that position? No? 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.960 I felt so aligned For me. It was just it 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.800 was just the deepest acknowledgement that my path was what 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.000 I was envisioning, that I was exactly where I was 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.000 supposed to be. So I think I really trust myself. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.240 I trust my life, I trust myself, I trust my expertise. 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.080 So I felt like it was divine alignment. Applied these 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.920 skills to your life. How have you been handling things 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:06.480 differently than you used to when you were younger? Everything? 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.760 You know? I think for me boundaries like really just 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:17.960 understanding myself and understanding that you know, this is my movie. 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.960 I'm the star of my movie, I'm a supporting character, 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.080 and a lot of people's movies, I'm a supporting character 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.000 in your movie, you're a supporting character in mine. But 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.200 I have to make myself in my life a priority. 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.359 And to do that, you really cannot care what people think. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.760 You cannot allow other people's projections to change how you 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.440 think about yourself or make you bend or contorting in 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.560 any way. And I think that that was one of 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.600 the biggest things. It's like, just by being alive, we're 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.639 constantly comparing. It starts in our childhood with our parents, 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.719 with the kids in school, but especially as adults, especially 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.480 if you work in the entertainment industry, bacal social media, 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.879 Oh my god, especially with social media, like it's impossible 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.760 not to and so just really kind of zooming out 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.960 of that matrix and just saying like, I can't care 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:09.080 what anybody else thinks. I have to trust that my 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.119 path in my life is mine. That's one way to 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:13.800 create a healthy boundary. What are some other ways to 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:18.879 create healthy boundaries? So healthy boundaries, the first part is 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.440 you have to become really aware of yourself and who 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.480 you are. I think a lot of this boundary conversation 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:29.280 tends to tilt into using boundaries as more of a wall, 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.480 a wall of protection. A barrier against other people and 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.880 also a judgment of other people. When I hear people 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.879 talk about boundaries, even on social media, I think we 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.920 have to really upgrade our understanding of why we don't 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.920 have them to begin with. You know, it's like everyone's like, 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:48.639 now I'm going to have boundaries, and you know, and 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.240 anybody that doesn't have my boundaries like you're cut out 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.840 of my life. And people don't want to respect your boundaries, 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.479 and there's such this like harsh judgmental view no one 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.480 does until you got them. And the thing is, the 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.760 people in our lives that are trying to climb over 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.320 them don't understand what they are either, which is why 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:07.840 they don't even apply them to their own selves. So 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.600 I think on the journey of finding boundaries of coming 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:16.359 into self awareness, as often as it's possible, we always 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:20.119 have to try to steep it in overall compassion and 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.359 non judgment. A lot of us are doing things for 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.240 the very first time. A lot of us have just 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.000 heard about boundaries for the very first time. And very 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:32.280 often if you don't have boundaries already, it's because different 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.920 things happened in your life that led you to kind 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.320 of disregard yourself in certain ways, or not think that 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.600 you have the right or the worth to choose yourself first. 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:43.879 So it's all the process and we just have to 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.119 go slow and gently. So question, well, are you we 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.359 born with boundaries and then they get toured down at 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:52.240 some point? Are we never have them? And we have 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:56.080 to learn how to build them. So there's a multitude 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.440 of reasons, but I think one of the one of 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:00.600 the reasons that I'm most often and work with and 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:06.040 see in our childhood certain things have to happen for 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.680 us to become the best version of our adult self. 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.200 There has to be certain kinds of role modeling in 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:15.520 place of behavior. There has to be role modeling of care, 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:20.919 of understanding, of listening of language. If we have experienced 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:24.919 certain emotional neglect, which millions of people do, even if 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.560 your parents don't want to or don't know that they're 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.680 doing it. If you're experiencing any kind of emotional neglect 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:35.520 or traumas big to your little t it affects the 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:39.200 way your core identity is established. Your core identity is 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:42.080 established in childhood. That is the piece of you that 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:44.399 isn't the roles you play, but it's the piece of you. 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.480 That thinks that you're worthy, that thinks that you have rights, 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.920